The Men’s Rights Movement Is Dead

Three years ago I wrote a post titled “Men’s Rights Has Become A Euphemism For Sexual Loser.” I argued that the movement is made up of manginas who refuse to improve themselves. Afterwards, a part of me felt regret for blasting them. After all, we’re all on the same team, in search of happiness in an increasingly male hostile world.

So I reached out to them. I commented on their blogs. I tweeted their posts. I endured their temper tantrums about how game “doesn’t work” or is “only for sluts.” I held out hope that they would self-organize and smash feminism in the face. But nothing happened. There was no action, no “movement” to speak of. In that time they only had one victory to boast about: the removal of a Huggies commercial that was deemed offensive to dads. The sad part is that the anti-diaper activism happened outside of the MRA sphere. They couldn’t even claim it was their work. They were the reporters who arrived late to the crime scene trying to pretend they still had the exclusive scoop, but the viewers at home weren’t fooled.

The biggest problem with MRAs is that they are not activists. They are pamphleteers. They believe knowledge alone will solve the ills of the world. They believe that merely reading about how men are getting shafted will improve the status quo. They believe that one-thousand of them typing away and producing ten-thousand blog posts will change society. Men will spontaneously rise up! They will fight the matriarchy! But they haven’t, and they never will. Their movement hasn’t produced any results, only little online playgrounds where sad boys can sit in the sandbox and helplessly watch girls play with the cocky boys who understand the rules of the game.

I looked in the dictionary for the definition of activist: “the policy or action of using vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.” What political or social change have the men’s rights pamphleteers brought? Say MRP in one syllable. That’s the sound they make every time they sit down and hit publish on another one of their turd rants, giddy at the prospect of changing the world when a cup of strong coffee accomplishes more change to their actual turds. They are not read by the influencers of our society. They don’t have the ears of politicians, professors, or journalists. They get the occasional snarky mention from Jezebel and think they’re accomplishing something when they’re actually being used as nothing more than fodder for female bemusement or page views that help make Nick Denton richer. Even the feminists, their supposed mortal enemy, refuse to debate them on equal footing.

There are 684 woman’s studies programs in the United States. How many men’s rights programs have the MRPs helped instate? Zero. How many pro-man laws have been passed thanks to the work of the MRP? None. How many real victories can they claim? Not one. The entire men’s rights non-movement can be boiled down to one middle-aged man named Paul Elam who is carrying the weight of a thousand pamphleteers on his suffering shoulders. That’s not activism, that’s following one dude’s blog. The difference they think they’re making by cheering the public outing of false rape accusers or “male shamers” is the same difference my sister makes when she reads an article in Cosmo.

I’ve made dozens of posts complaining of American women and feminism. I’ve read a thousand articles on the internet about how they are ruining society. Aren’t I just like the MRPs? Aren’t I just another professional whiner like them? There’s a difference:

I take personal action and encourage other men to do the same.

At the same time I was complaining that American girls are fat, I was blasting inside Polish girls with perfect bodies. I tell men how to sleep with such women.

At the same time I was whining about divorce rape, I was dating a Ukrainian girl who treated me like a king. I tell other men where to find women like her.

At the same time I complain that the American economy is in trouble, I was completing another book I knew my readers would like so that I could increase my income. I provide men with a forum that contains a lifestyle section to discuss money-making tips.

At the same time I was ranting against the Skrillex haircut, I was banging a Lithuanian girl whose hair belonged in a Vidal Sassoon shampoo commercial. I tell men how feminine women are like.

Instead of taking real action with their lives, MRPs are hoping the government will one day serve their interests and give them things that me and my readers are achieving on their own. I don’t need the government to pass laws against alimony. I simply won’t marry in the USA. I don’t need the government to pass laws promoting fair child custody laws. I won’t impregnate an America girl. I don’t need the government to increase punishment for false rape accusers. I’ll cover my own back. I don’t need the government to ban trans fat to lower the weight of the population. I’ll go to Poland. While they try to change the minds and culture of 310 million Americans with their WordPress blogs, I’ll be hitting on pretty girls in a Croatian bar. I’ll be living the life that I want instead of being entitled and waiting for the government to give it to me. In the same breath they call me a pussy beggar, they beg the government for protection from pussy.

Last time I checked, the government is not forcing me to interact with American girls. They are not forcing me to live in Washington DC. I can improve my station any way I want. The reason is because I’m from the motherfucking United States of America. If I can’t figure out how to improve my appearance, learn some game, make some money from an internet side business, travel abroad to fuck women, and find happiness in the world, then no one can. I don’t need the American government to look after my interests, because I can chase after my own. Instead of listening to Paul Elam tell me that men are getting fucked, I will step out of the house and find a girl who wants to get fucked by me.

Anything that a MRP wants right now can be achieved somewhere in the world. You don’t need the government to provide it for you—simply get on an airplane and make it yours. But they rather sob silently in the closet with a box of tissues while watching women get their pussies demolished by men who have learned skills they are are too scared or lazy to even attempt. Just like how fat women use the euphemism “healthy body weight” as a rationalization to be obese, MRPs use their illusionary movement as an excuse to sit on their ass and be a loser at life.

I know you are entertained by my occasional anti-feminist rants because I read your comments. I see my stat counter spike up whenever I take a hot steaming shit directly in a feminist’s mouth, but I also get dozens of emails every month from guys who thank me for helping them. They are getting more out of what they want in life because they are acting on the advice I’m sharing. Instead of complaining about the state of society and shooting loads of ecstasy all over the men’s rights subreddit, they are making changes to their life to grab that pizza slice of happiness that is undoubtedly easier for an American citizen privileged to be born in the most prosperous country the world has ever seen. The MRPs are wasting this economical advantage by spending all their time reading blogs by guys who have no idea how to help men achieve their goals.

I want to say I’m saddened that MRAs and myself are unable to co-exist, but really I’m not. They add no value to my life and give me no answers on how to navigate the modern world. They were faced with a choice: spend all their free time on blogs or approach a god damn woman. They picked the former. For that I have no respect for them. The storm has arrived and they are the dead weight that must be quickly tossed overboard to prevent the boat from capsizing.

The only true regret I have is that as part of the “manosphere” I’m automatically grouped in with those guys, who are even bigger losers than I could have imagined three years ago. By saying that I know they will hate me now more than ever. They will say I’m using “shaming language” and that I’m hurting their feelings, but they should thank me for this righteous shame because it’s the only way they will see the dead-end road they have taken. From the bottom of my dark heart I want to give them a piece of advice that I sincerely hope they take: before you decide to change the world, try changing your own life first.[culturewar]

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LittlePDog (Starting Young and Aiming High)

You just said what every other game blogger knew deep down but was too scared to say. Did anybody really expect a “movement” predominated by divorced raped emasculated 40 something chodes to succeed in making women succumb to their wishes?

Ben
Ben
8 years ago

You’re way off base here. Contradictory and off base.

That’s coming from a true fan too.

Anonymous
Anonymous
8 years ago

Solid. Keep doing work Roosh, you give the rest of man kind hope.

Doug
Doug
8 years ago

This the most motivating site I’ve ever read.

Anonymous
Anonymous
8 years ago

I agree with Roosh. His point was made when Paul Elam very directly attempted to pick a fight with Heartiste/Roissy. Paul Elam would rather see us all miserable and open to revolution than attempting to find happiness where we can. Happy men are unlikely to join anyone’s cause…or send them donations.

Onder
8 years ago

It’s true.
This is a lesson which i learned the hard way. Granted, it’s good to recognize the shit and unfair aspects of life. But there will ultimately come a point where you just have to learn to play the system and make it work for you and not against you.
My dad mentions this all the time. The system isn’t fair, so either learn the rules and milk it for what it’s worth, or stay where you are…
It’s that simple..

Mats
8 years ago

It’s not over until the woman with the “healthy body weight” sings.

LittlePDog (Starting Young and Aiming High)

Question Roosh: did something happen to instigate this post or was this bubbling under the surface for a while now?

[Roosh: Bubbling like an upset stomach.]

Fritz
Fritz
8 years ago

I do agree with you that the MRA have a lack of activism. Their posts are a lot of times full of whining and complaining. There is plenty of circle jerking in the comments. And finally, very little call to action even when one is warranted.

But it also seems that they are improving. There is a lot more outside activity, mainly with awareness and recruitment.

And there are gorps like SAVE and The False Rape Society that seem to be doing work.

At the same time, what you are doing is not really activism either. The examples you gave are simply you running away. You tell other men how to do it, but that is still just moving men around the globe.
No actual political change is happening for the men’s rights, but feminism is spreading. Men like us can run to South America or Eastern Europe now, but what about the next generation? They will need to go to Africa to get what they want? And then, what’s next?

In the end though, the manosphere inherently has two parts: the PUA and the MRA. Both parts are needed. The PUA community is meant to teach men to be men, to have masculinity. The MRA community is supposed to fight for mens civil rights.
You must realize that a man can have all the rights and privileges he want’s but still be a total pussy. At the same time, a man could be the biggest Alpha he can, but still be sent to jail if he has no rights as a human.

Both PUA and MRA are needed, and both need to be more active and expand.

[Roosh: The argument you’re using for MRAs is that we should worry about the unborn and how the world will be after we’re long gone? Read the last sentence of my post again.]

Jim
Jim
8 years ago

Si. It’s like voting in those who pass such garbage as Obamacare and then turning around and complaining it’s anti-male. Then falsely labeling others as hypocrites for not speaking up about it.

You vote in those that pass this crap, know they are anti-male as hell, that they manipulate women in a so called “war” against them, and then label others for not talking about it? Seems to me they are the real hypocrites.

rick
rick
8 years ago

could you explain what you mean?

This has to be my favourite post. I really cant stand mras.

Feminism rose because really what can women do other than complain about shit to get stuff done.

Men take action unless they are weak-minded cunts.

Billy
Billy
8 years ago

I don’t see any inherent conflict between the 2 positions. Think globally, act locally. The PUAs talk about how to get women but without the MRAs constantly describing women’s sociopathic nature and their ability to screw you over using the legal system, men would be more likely to succumb to a long term relationship.

albert magnus
albert magnus
8 years ago

I find the MRM appeals to a lot of guys who are not ready for game and need something else for a while. The guys who get stuck in that mentality are a problem, but if your ex-wife just destroyed your life and is screwing up your kids you need someone who understands that situation at least at first.

On the other hand if you are just scared of girls (which is true of a lot of young guys), then game is what you need.

The ideas of the MRM will likely succeed by sneaking through the back door when no one is looking. MRM aren’t going to win public arguments, but they really don’t need to. Men are still in control of most things they just aren’t very loud and obnoxious about it.

I rather like the writing of Bill Price and Jack Donovan and hope they continue writing good stuff.

samseau
samseau
8 years ago

Fact is, people have noticed the MRA are completely worthless for a long time

http://dapook.blogspot.com/2008/05/more-reasons-why-i-am-not-mra.html

Mats
8 years ago

You know, Roosh, Fritz does have a point there. What you are doing is not really helping man per se (in the grand scheme of life) as much as it is helping yourself (and the ones who choose to act the way you are acting).

Basically, what you are doing [banging girls] is taking advantage of one of the consequences of feminism [sluttery] for personal gain.

Now, everyone is intitled to live his life as he sees fit, but it’s a bit weird to criticize feminism on one side (do you?), while you are writting books about sleeping with girls who are open to banging precisely due to that same feminism.

Drew Brosky
Drew Brosky
4 years ago
Reply to  Mats

That isn’t true. Even without slut behavior, game is essential to the promotion of healthy male behavior. Roosh is what I consider the American man. Make an assessment of what you want and go the fuck after it. It’s how America became the greatest country in the history of the marble. The idea that some collectivist mentality will reverse or improve the situation is silly. That is the opposite of America that I want.

Kenny Lives
Kenny Lives
8 years ago

Though I agree with you,simply getting on a plane is not that easy . You have had advantages that others have not to be the man you are today. It is just not easy for the average schlub to just all of a sudden be free from the shackles that hold him in place. Some ppl just can’t WILL things to be.
This is not an excuse but a shade of grey that can’t be ignored.

Phinn
Phinn
8 years ago

It’s true — Skrillex does have unforgivably stupid hair.

As for the MRA movement, the problem I have is that it attempts to use the methods of its enemy — the system of “social action” that was INVENTED to destroy MEN.

And they wonder why men can’t gain any traction with it.

The mainstream media, protests, activism — these are all Leftist methods that were consciously designed and refined over the last 150 years to promote socialism. Feminism is merely the non-economic, social wing of the socialist movement. Its purpose and function is to destroy the patriarchal, nuclear family, in order to replace it with the almighty State.

You can’t use collectivist methods to undo collectivism.

The message, “improve yourself” just doesn’t resonate with these people, because they have so thoroughly bought into the idea that the only form of change that is meaningful is that which occurs by and through government.

The Left has managed to eradicate most of the idea that men are free and in charge of their own lives. Now, most people believe they are only as free as some government bureaucrat allows them to be. It’s an “institutionalized mindset” — the idea that everything is what the State declares it to be.

So, naturally, they go whining to the State to beg for a slate of changes in the divorce laws. This is the very same organization that ass-fucked them.

And they wonder why they don’t get anywhere.

The G Manifesto
8 years ago

I remember when you wrote that post a few years ago about “Men’s Rights”.

I had no idea what “Men’s Rights” even was back then.

I still have no idea.

Donny
Donny
8 years ago

Roosh, on an unrelated note..why bang raw dog? I know you try to remain anonymous and move around, but why take the chance at all that you will get a girl pregnant or get the syph or something else?

Mats is the man
Mats is the man
8 years ago

You are right on target.

Mojo
8 years ago

You make some good points, Roosh.

But you mention that you don’t need the MRM because you can just avoid the problems of feminism, by not getting married, not impregnating American women, etc.

True enough. And a good code to live by.

The only thing is, I’ve been reading MRA and PUA blogs for many years now, and I learned that code from the MRAs, not the PUAs. It was the MRAs who really got that information out there, even if you won’t acknowledge the debt.

When you talk about living your life in a way so as to avoid those pitfalls, you sound exactly like the MGTOW. Now, I’m not saying that’s a bad thing – whether a guy is banging or not, it’s sensible to avoid marriage and having kids in the West.

There’s a lot more common ground here than you’re acknowledging. On the other hand I do appreciate what you say about how men have to improve themselves. To me that’s hugely important and it’s something that the MRM doesn’t provide.

[Roosh: I got no major beef with MGTOW. There is overlap in our beliefs, even if they are not as game-centered.]

cookie9001
8 years ago

Erm Mer Gawd Roosh. I’ve written over 6,000 letters to the editor of my local newspaper complaining about how women are evil and someone needs to stand up to them. Last week, after I went into their offices uninvited, they even said they had considered publishing three of them.
I might not be a big PUA, in fact I’ve never even had sex, but that’s because women suck and are all fat and evil sluts. In fact I don’t even jerk it to porn that contains female actors, because I heard they get paid twice as much as their male counterparts.
MRA’s not making progress? Bullshit, I’ve gotten over 10,000 Reddit gold for my MRA and Forever Alone subreddit posts.
And lastly let me tell you the best thing about being an MRA: unlike all the other socially inept, 40 something year old virgins, who get oddly aroused when watching Tom Brady’s Ugg Boots commercial; I can sit back and say that it’s because I’m a social activist. After all, women are fascist scum and don’t deserve my boner.

Taciturning
Taciturning
8 years ago

“In the same breath they call me a pussy beggar, they beg the government for protection from pussy.”

This is the most effective indictment of the MRA movement I’ve ever heard, all wrapped up into a single sentence. EXCELLENT writing.

Men take action. They don’t wait to be handed success by the efforts of others. The MRA movement could learn a few things from Roosh’s example. MRAs, the culture you loathe will still be there whenever you’re ready to DO something, instead of just talking about.

DaemonMan
DaemonMan
8 years ago

I agree that mens right movements are dumb..BUT you dont offer anything better. Your solution, move out of the country and learn game, cant work for everybody.
Imagine everyone learning game ? Imagine the insane amount of approaches women would get everyday.
Their already inflated self esteem would skyrocket.
As for everyone leaving the country is not really a viable solution either.

Ulysses
Ulysses
8 years ago

Phinn hits the nail on the head. The antidote is not masculinism, but masculinity. How that is focused and applied is up to the individual man. We may be naturally disposed toward camaraderie, but that is distinct from collectivism. We don’t need male studies, it’s called history. We don’t need protection because we’re not children. We individually define success. Self-improvement is not masturbation.

DaemonMan – Game isn’t only for expat lotharios. It works in marriage too.