The Most Common Move Among Foreign Players

My readership has become increasingly international over the past five years. The next man I meet through my site is far more likely to be foreign than American. This has given me a fortunate position in being able to compare different game methods across cultures.

Out of the dozens of players I’ve met all over the word, the most common move I see is not even a move—it’s a screening technique: fishing for eye contact. I consistently see players advocate for looking into the eyes of a woman and hoping for reciprocation. If it comes, he will approach. If not, he probably won’t. Some players also add a smile, but this variant is less common.

If you are familiar with American pickup material, you won’t find a whole lot on eye contact. Even in my book Bang, I gloss over it. I think part of the reason is that American players like to believe the idea that they are choosing the women they want and creating attraction from nothing but their game, effort, and desire. You’ll also find PUA marketing material rife with claims that you can get any women you spot without rejection. You picked her out of a crowd and thanks to your mind control knowledge, she decided to have sex with you.

The American style is to go to the club ready to approach every girl until getting lucky. The foreign player tends to fish for eye contact first, and then approach once he receives something back. If he gets no eye contact, he shares his disappointment in the venue and goes somewhere else. Not surprisingly, foreign players complain to me how little eye contact they get in America, which suggests the American style of energy-intensive approaching is actually better suited for our eye contact stingy females.

The logic of the eye contact technique is sound, because if a girl meets eyes with you, your look is agreeable to her. Assuming you’re just a tad interesting, you’re going to be received well upon opening. If you approach a girl who didn’t give you eye contact, and she happens not to care about your look, you will have to put out a much higher level of game to grab her attention, a likely reason why negs evolved in North America.

The PUA will say, “You shouldn’t wait for eye contact. Go after the girls you want. Don’t wait for her to give you permission to approach.” While I fully sympathize with this view, I find that if you’re patient, look your best, and are careful and methodical about your venue selection, you can get eye contact even in hostile North American cities. It won’t be a flood, but you should get glances from girls who are at least one point above your attractiveness level. If that’s not happening to you, I recommend you try different venues or optimize your appearance.

Fishing for eye contact and only approaching girls who reciprocated is one method to meet women by doing less work. As long as you look your best and research your venues, results will come, and it’s very easy to take this to the next level by traveling to countries where—for whatever reason—you get more eye contact than anywhere else, leading you down the road to a sniper style of game. There’s nothing wrong with being a bit inefficient with your approaches, but after a while you may want to tighten up your success rate by going for eye contact. If you think about it, it’s probably the oldest seduction trick there is.

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Eisenheim Mindcrusher
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It is important to note that here (Brazil) when you are unavailable (you are with your GF, or is appearing unavailable because are with girls around you), women will ASSAULT you with extreme and intense eye contacts.

Last week i was on a party with my GF, and some random girl was staring at me so intensely accross the room that sometimes when i was with my girl, i lost my attention because i was being mind assaulted by other girls staring at me lol hahaha

It is not bad game here to wait for eye contacts, IF YOU HAVE SOME –VALUE–.
Girls WILL look at you, and if you are accompanied they will look harder at you.

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Exactly Roosh, because of your international success, your audience is also crossing nations. Continue writing on the basis of universal game.

Gavin Madden
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Differentiating between ‘I want to fuck you’ eye contact and ‘who the fuck is that freak’ eye contact is also key.

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Solid post and very insightful.

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GOLD advice! American girls do give eye contact, but you need to be very in tune with the environment.

Trust your gut, but you can increase your success rate by culling the heard down to people who smile back at you.

Very easy to do.

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no eyecontact? sheds some new light on the American game for me

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American girls will look but they don’t like to have their hand caught in the cookie jar.

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Funny, I was just hating on my friend for almost solely relying on eye contact before approaching but then again he is an above average looking guy. I can see why he looks for it if he is used to getting it but on the other hand he would absolutely dominate if he acted even without that initial confirmation from a woman.

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Not sure I agree. In some countries,FSU for example girls will often look at a guy and it doesn’t mean shes interested.
Also unless you are unusual looking girls tend to only ‘look’ at the top 5-15% of guys in a venue. So what is average guys suppose to do? NEVER meet anyone because they are seeking eye contact?
The eye contact advice generally is only effective for good looking or above avg guys.

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I’d change “eye contact” for “approach invitation” (AI) in general, example: a couple of girls move from the other side of the dance floor to dance besides you.

Nowadays I only approach when I have AI. My opening to kiss close ratio has skyrocketed to around 90%. This is not to brag, as some nights you only get a couple or so of solid AIs.

I like to call this “passive game”: I work to optimize my physical appearance (gym, clothes…) then I find a good venue, and a good spot in the venue where I can be easily seen. Then I approach whichever girl seems to fancy me (as long as she fits my standards).

You can do this lazy passive game, but only if you are proactive and industrious in improving your looks.

I’m based in Spain, for the records.

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I’m currently in Argentina, and here is very rare to get an “eye contact” invitation. Although I’ve seen girls staring at me (or some other guys), once you reciprocate the look they immediately look away… It’s very strange, guess argentine girls have earned well their ‘histericas’ title. As has been mentioned by Roosh and others, the best way to go in Argentina is ‘social circle game’

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this is simply how well-dressed good-looking guys who’ve never read a single game book in their lives have gotten girls at da club since time immemorial.

good-looking guy gets eye contact from 2 girls and approaches them – 2 numbers, 1 bang

‘PUA’ approaches 10 girls without prompting – 9 blowouts, 1 flaky number

i fall into the latter category. and i live in toronto. so i have no idea what interested eye contact from a girl is. when i see some, i dismiss it as just her looking around, like all people do. what do i know?

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this is consistent with what I heard a Polish guy say about his method for selection: “if I see a girl I like, I will stand in her line of vision…if she makes eye contact with me, I approach her.” That seems like a better way of pre-screening. Only caveat is that sometimes the look can be very quick, like you can almost not see it…some girls are better at being obvious than others, though.

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Finally!!. Guys, I have said this many times before… there is no need to approach 200 girls to get 5 bangs (is a real waste).
Approach the right 15 and you will get the same 5 bangs … Re-read “choosing the right victim” in Art of Seduction for a more in-depth understanding, is plain simple and will save you valuable time, effort, and resources. The ROI is what matters after all, and that applies to approaches too. Just keep it Simple!! … Now go and be efficient.

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Roosh-
More posts like this to offer creativity to us arrogant boastful Americans

Roosh-
I want to see you do some trips to the West coast.

I think you should do you can have a true compendium on Ameri an girls because your right DC is 6 and 7 central and with a harsh NY attitude.

Where I live blows too- the mid south. I approached a girl from Alabama today- the chicks from Alabama are the Souths Toronto. Just barf!!! I really dislike Alabama women. Anger without reason and existence without style. No my bag man.

I would add the California girls are like mid wearer girls super nice and pretty sweet but northern and Deep South bubba hicks are nauseating.

Roosh if you hit up Chicago, Ann Arbor ( meet the sweetest m
Little Michigan bru être from their last Fri), San Diego (la s logistics suck for be most part but iand empire is good if you like hot Mexican girls), Chico state ( a guy in the forum wrote about it and I’ve met people from their a cool little town with 8k you g college gorll).

And Roosh I reccomended you hit Nashville (but tone down the brash Northern vibe in favor of a curious and passionate vibe the girls their live that).
RoOSH/
So for your give me a comes I say do pick up in-
San Diego
Chicago
Nashville
Chico,Ca
and some mountain city like Boise or Denver or Spokane

We all know Seattle is women’s lib Skill Rx cut centrl by Corcalis Ordgon (college town) or Pullman. Wa might be good for NW hunting.

Go hunt it West brother to finallyat to rest the American girls suck to to Pand or Ukraine for good.

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Lol

Give me a comes is a typo

I meant Rooshs give me a complex to work on-
Go hit up some college towns in the West coast (because you look 26 not 34 and the college girls will eat up all
Your travel stories. Combine that with some NLP patterns and you ought to knock them out of the park bcuz California girls dig Nlp being ran on them. Go to Chico State and slay some tail. I love NorCal girls they have a well bred look like New England girls with a touch of Slavic. They are so hot in Nor cal.

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Sigh…I hate how these types of posts totally ignore obvious follow-up questions in favor of pithy “wisdom”.

Okay, I’ve made eye contact with some hottie across the room. WHO BREAKS EYE CONTACT FIRST? Do I stare her down like a rival alpha male? Or what? This article completely fails to address this vitally important point.

Oh, and please stop using the phrase “North American”. It’s used by Canadians to try to pass themselves off as Americans. Do Mexicans qualify as “North Americans”? Of course they do, they’re in North America! And yet no Canadian would ever admit having anything in common with the Me-hi-kanos. So, it’s a misnomer and we all need to stop saying it. Especially those of us who know better.

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@Harland re. “North American” don’t be an ass, it’s convenient shorthand to refer to the cultural similarity.

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shut the fuck up harland you north american.

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For some eff’ed up reason, as a short, mid 40’s, balding guy with a pasty forehead, I get eye contact on what seems like a regular basis from good looking women in their 20’s, 30’s, etc… The really eff’ed up thing is that I wish I had the balls to approach these women, but I don’t because of the Gdamn self limiting stories in my head. (And I can tell the difference between the come hither look vs WhoTF are you?)

PS I’m in the U.S.

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The point of my previous post is that even someone like me gets eye contact on a regular basis. Anything more and it would start to freak me out.
I do agree with the comment: “I find that if you’re patient, look your best, and are careful and methodical about your venue selection, you can get eye contact…”

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Then how do you account for Argentina where the women there avoid eye contact?

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I’m in my mid 30s, and I must say that I’ve ran nothing but eye contact game my entire life. I’ve never conducted a cold approach, ever. To me it seems desperate, and sometimes pathetic, usually used by average to less than average looking guys. Eye contact is a tell-tale sign of interest. If you establish eye contact three times within a minute you’re usually in there like swimwear. I like to catch the girl staring. If I suspect she’s checking me out, I’ll look the other way or talk to a friend, then quick like lightning, look her way. You sometimes get the deer in headlights, but usually she’ll look straight to the ground (another sign of interest). Girls hate getting caught looking.

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That’s interesting. To me, it’s just the opposite. Waiting for eye contact seems desperate and pathetic. Like you don’t have enough confidence in yourself that you need some kind of permission to go talk to a girl you like, like she’s Queen Elizabeth or something. You put yourself in a very passive state and only wait for girls who look at you because you don’t think you’re worth enough that you could totally just talk to a girl who hasn’t noticed you yet and develop something.

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Man love your writing.

I think you should hit up NorCal-
Chico State
UC Davis
San Francisco

Dude I sold pay you to sarge with me in Chico.

Nor Cal has some down to Earth people and plenty of central and Eastern Europe DNA.

If I lived in DC I’d be brawling every time I hit the club. I despise those khaki and brooks bro wearing dreks.

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seriously, a 10 will never establish eye contact with a stranger! so what the fuss is all about. approach or dont approach. but dont excuse shit.

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Even in countries where people give eye contact doesn’t mean they’re interested only that they’re judging you so you have no way of telling, bad advice

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Sharp observation. A lot of guys in Europe indeed check out eye contact before proceeding. This morning I let go a 9 because no contact was made. Sometimes however you can throw an attempt, especially when she is busy with her damn Iphone.

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PUAs call this a Warm Approach (since she’s aware of you) off an Approach Invite (her eye contact), and consider it a valid method. It’s the bread & butter of most Naturals.

It works, in that your success % will be higher, but it means that 1) you don’t get to choose the girl you get, you can only select from the handful that choose you, and 2) the ones making eyes with you will generally be in the 5-7 range with the occasional 8…you’ll rarely get a 9 or 10 trying to make eye contact with you (for various reasons, mostly internal shit on her end) unless you happen to be their type or phenomenally good looking (remember if she’s an 8+ she’s probably already surrounded by tall good-looking rich dudes) and are demonstrating some serious value in the room…posting up at the bar sipping a drink won’t get the hottest ones looking at you unless you flukily happen to be their type.

There’s basically a lot of random elements involved and a lack of control of the outcome. This is why Naturals fuck everything from 2s to 10s…they rely on the girls choosing them and if a 7+ doesn’t check them out that night, well hey, those three 5s over there are looking at him and it’s either go home solo or tell your buddies you for laid and hope they never see the girl lol

I don’t have anything against guys relying on Warm Approaches, and I’ll approach if I get an AI, but I personally prefer the choice in Cold Approach even if it means more work. This usually comes down to whether you’re in the game for racking up notches or for the thrill of the hunt…again either method/goal is valid, just be aware of the pros & cons.

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you’re right of course that it is a result of more than a few factors.

women who will fuck = attracted (your looks + your game + a few unquantifiables) + currently sexually available +not messed up in the head ,

where sexually availability is the most important factor

And ofcourse you should go for the ones that give eye contact. [thats a no brainer]. getting a few wins snowballs into bigger wins later on.

but i think for people starting off [i still think the vast majority of your readership is still mostly beginner to early intermediate] starting and getting familiar with cold approach is a necessity.

Opening over and over or just getting comfortable talking with women during the day or at night are prerequisites to good game. If one starts off with a crutch [are they looking at me? are they attracted? outcome dependency] they will find it harder to wean off of it in the future.

At the end of the day we can’t control much about what a women does as far as how sexually available she is, all we can do is approach, screen, approach, screen. and so on, developing a few ideas across the way.

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In Canada and America I found eye contact frequent. Women would also hold and stare. I was born and bred on that. Never cold approached.

In Europe the eye contact is different. Took me a while to figure it out. They will look away fast once you reciprocate. At first I never thought they made eye contact because they won’t hold it. But it’s there. Now I know and I maintain my eye contact test.

It’s just more efficient. The girl with wandering eyes who then locks on you is a high target. She’s got the hungry eyes.

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This technique is quite common among my friends in Spain. Girls will just kill you holding eye contact. I moved to Germany and the only thing I can say is that this shit doesn’t work for me anymore. I still try to figure out why.

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This is my technique and it works.

Eye contact is key. Why are we even discussing this? lol

It helps that I’m tall, muscular, and slightly menacing-looking. I can practically _feel_ when I’m being looked at.

Once acknowledged, the rest of it just falls into place.

It happened twice to me today.

This is not rocket science, guys.

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so what do average looking guys do? kill ourselves lol? we wont get eye contact.

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Don’t wait for eye contact, if it’s a total miss the approach took 30 seconds max.

Guys get into this mental masturbation about wasting time. These girls that don’t make eye contact and aren’t interested you will know and bail in less than a minute.

Approaching cold girls is good practice to stay warm, when a warm one comes along she’s dead on arrival.

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Some advanced men favor a SNL for the thrill. I’d also say that getting a complete cold approach girl to end up sleeping with you is also a thrill. You have to want it.

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This sort of article tends to attract the “good looking” windbags(Laguna Beach Fogey, I’m looking at you and your “menacing” physique)who traipse in here and make some disdainful remarks about game.

Seriously, you do realize that game is principally for those who don’t have the luxury of walking into a room and being showered with hungry eye groping, right?

Many guys, because they’re average looking, need to rely on generating attraction through cold approaching, not waiting around for some chick to give him the ocular green-light.

You’re great looking and just need to show up to a venue to get laid? Congratulations.

Now flick off as the rest of us who aren’t as genetically endowed work to get our piece too.

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Jealous much? lol

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^^OZB you said it best…and chances are the menacing looking guy is getting eyes because hes a freak of nature.

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Also although it sounds like Roosh is back tracking…we have to remember hes been years overseas in countries where normal GAME doesn’t work and he gets eye contact for being DIFFERENT. But in DC he will tell you don’t wait for it.

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Anyone one above can elaborate on the difference between “sexually interested” type of eye contact vs “this guys is strange” type of eye contact? (suppose the girl is decent enough not to express outright disdain in the later case)

I think this would be important especially when you are visiting a foreign country.

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I understand that this is a 2 year old comment, and will likely never be read by the OP, but there are still people reading this sometimes, I’m sure, and this was mentioned more than once.

The thing is: it doesn’t matter. Now, this IS cutting out the extreme edge, where you are some kind of unfortunate, weird looking freak (this could also count being grotesquely fat, especially in a place that doesn’t have a ton of overweight people). We’re all smart enough to know if this is the case, whether it is ‘unjust’ or not.

Otherwise, when asking this question, you are simply speaking from your insecurities. MOST people of relatively normal body are not baby-scaringly ugly looking. No matter what the internet says to the contrary, most people fit somewhere around the line of ‘average.’ If you are insecure, you are more perceptive of your own shortcomings (or what you think are your shortcomings) than other people, so you will see them constantly, and your attention will fly to them. I’m not saying they aren’t real, but it’s possible and likely you give them too much weight. Anybody who isn’t a shut-in knows at least one vaguely nasty looking dude who nonetheless seems to have little trouble getting girls. This shit isn’t a FPTP election.

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Yes, the eye contact game makes things much easier. In Denmark, I usually try to get some kind of sign of interest. Either the blatantly obvious where she positions herself close or right next to me or eye contact.

Someone asked about the staring contest lol. It is not rocket science, most girls will look down first, then if she looks back, you’re in and can definitely approach. You can also just smile at her if she doesn’t seem shy.

The interesting thing is that here in Thailand where I’m now, eye contact from girls is so subtle and brief that if you rely on that, you can go days without a good approach invitation. However, I have noticed that girls here really do want you to approach and probably think they are making it obvious, but if you’re used to more direct expressive women, then you’ll miss 90% of it. Could just be me too though as I’m often drifting away in thought.

But yeah in general, eye contact means you are her type. Nothing more nothing less. But it is quite powerful because it basically is the same as if you see a girl who gives you an instaboner because she ticks of most of your attracion list.

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A great concept and insight Roosh.
I never really fish for EC neither. And just s you stated, I’d glossed over it too over the years as I’ve tried to impose my EC on the girl. I need to spread the word on this.

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Also, fishing for eye contact is akin to looking for an Approach Invitation and IOI (indicator of interest). If a girl eyes you, It’s an IOI 95% of the time.

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Also, fishing for eye contact is akin to looking for an Approach Invitation and IOI (indicator of interest). If a girl eyes you, It’s an IOI 95% of the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-UxNq1Gf8

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I hope to God all of you remember to HAVE SAFE SEX ONLY.

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Ive been doing some bussiness in kabul, Afghanistan and i can confirm that eye contact game is the way to go. Girls here are agressive if they like you they will stare at you and you dont even need to look back, just take out your card, drop it in front of her and she will be like ohh whats that.

20mins later making out in a hookah bar in the private rooms 🙂