The Myth Of The Russian Alpha Male

A common belief in the manosphere is that men in Russia or Ukraine are super alpha and should be held up as examples for Western men on how to act. They take no shit from women. They are firm and direct with their demands. They ooze masculinity that women love. After living in Russia and Ukraine for over 9 months, I can safely state that the picture is more complicated than that.

Slavic men give a great veneer of alpha to a Western observer witnessing a stoic ugly dude with stiff body language walking with a hot girl, but if you dig deeper, you’ll find several beta traits. For example:

—Most are momma boys who are unable to cut the cord. It’s harder for them to live independently than a Western man.

—They are risk averse. While I’m sure you have seen crazy Youtube videos of drunk provincial Russians, educated Russians will not enter a transaction or deal with such a foolhardy or suicidal attitude. You also won’t find a Russian man decide to up and move to another country for no other reason than YOLO like many Westerners.

—They use a lot of compliments on women. They are not as profuse as Spanish and Italian men, but they are more compliment heavy than Western men. Many of them use compliments or drink buying to get conversations in the club started, with obviously no guarantee of success.

—They regularly buy their women flowers and chocolates. Because of that, girls get annoyed when I don’t do the same since it’s such a common behavior. You’re supposed to do it just because, not only for special occasions.

—They spend a lot of time in the friend zone. It’s quite common for relationships in this part of the world to start as friendship. Unlike American men, however, Russian and Ukrainian men are more likely to escape the friend zone, but it’s still not a certainty.

—They primarily want girlfriends, not notches. The guys are prone to cheat (just like their girls), but most are serial monogamists. They get a girlfriend and spend most days of the week with her, developing a co-dependent type of relationship that often leads to marriage.

On the other hand, I’m not denying their alpha traits:

—They don’t put pussy on the pedestal like Western men. They clearly have a model of abundance when it comes to women. They can have this model because beautiful women are in true abundance.

—They aren’t afraid to escalate. They will touch and try to kiss quickly, and if the girl refuses, they will feign a look of surprise that says, “Why not?” They don’t care about the responses a girl gives them during an approach. Instead, they run their game program of spitting bullshit, buying little items, complimenting, and then escalating.

I’m not saying that Slavic men are beta, but if you account for their whole being, the average Slavic man is only marginally more alpha than the average Western man. The most alpha Western men would hold their own against the most alpha Slavic men.

In Russia I met some hardcore beta males who oneitis and pedestalization problems. If you read the manosphere all day, you’d think that a Russian beta doesn’t exist, but we’re beginning to see a more hipster culture with ambiguously gay stylings entrenching itself in Moscow and St. Petersburg among the middle class. When you think of a Slavic man, you’re probably imagining a gangster, gopnik, or oligarch, but the average Russian man on the street is not a true alpha and only wants a good 9-5 job and cute girlfriend. Don’t make the mistake of viewing the absolute top Slavic men as representative of them all.

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Oh thanks . . .

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Maybe you should view it as educational and informative. Fixing one’s flaws is the easiest way to improve. (In medicine, they say “Diagonsis is the first step toward rehabilitation.”)

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You’re projecting.

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I must admit that he was right on some points.

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Which ones?

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The 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 6th points on the first list.

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I find articles like this to be the most interesting. Social observation, you know? Good read! I’ll make sure to take those youtube videos with a grain of salt next time.

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You don’t dig Rooshs videos?

I like the videos he’s doing and think they’re getting better all the time. In fact, its nice to mix it up between articles and videos. Variety is key IMO.

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What? No bruh, I meant I’ll take the videos of Russian guys doing crazy shit with a grain of salt.

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spent one night in st petersburg a couple years ago while on tour, had such a good time. Im a black man from the USA but i never experienced any hostility toward me because of my skin color.. which was strange because i was expecting to get banana thrown at me or something. granted it was only one night.. but it did somewhat change the perception of russia that i initially had..

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A Russian I dated used the N word freely (I cringed when she said it, told her it was wrong, and asked her why do you love hip hop so much yet use that abrasive awful term? She was like duh. She had F cup ta tas like a Score magazine girl but wasnt too intellectual and silly like a clown-she had been in America since age 5 so maybe she’s an oddity) yet loved Little Wayne’s music. This girl was Americnaized though so who knows if she’s an accurate rep for the whole group by I’d bet that more of them than not are prejudice.

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A foreigner using a word that is blasted in music makes her prejudice. You are rather idiotic there, it’s basically monkey see monkey do, you hear those words in popular music and then you use them.

Also, no one cares what you cringed about

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Russians know how to handle an immigrant negro when they start to mouth off.
They don’t see you as a threat, just an eyesore whose on the wrong side of the planet.

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what your fucking mouth

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Cultural variations. At least my Slav brothers possess thse beta traits theyre most likely to get away with. For some reason in the west we’ve adopted the beta traits that most disgust our own women. Same with mediterranean men. Never ceases to baffle me how desperately Western betas work to offend the very wome they want to fuck.

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Roosh:
Most are momma boys who are unable to cut the cord. It’s harder for them to live independently than a Western man.

Actually this HELPS them have an abundance mentality.

Which boy is going to grow up with better inner game about women? One who was catered to by his mother and treated like the little prince? Or an American boy who was shipped off to daycare at the first opportunity and drugged to the eyeballs if he acted too energetic?

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Hmm movies lie now ? wtf !

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Uncle Roosh and Red Pill Cousins,
How is the reality on the ground with Slavic guys and cockblockin, starting fights if you cold approach day game his girl or date by mistake during the day and he stumbles on it, the Slavic dudes average sexual behavior (do they give chicks 3 cream pies/night like Mediterranean dudes), and do they use guns and knives to assault or rob tourists like Brazilians do?

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No we do not attack tourists. But we mess with them smile

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I’m a tough white female. If anyone tried to attack me or mess with me (no matter who it is, no matter what nationality or religion), I would knock their teeth out. Especially if it’s a guy treating me disrespectfully, I would put him in coma.

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Lol! Fuck off, bitch. I’ll gladly put your feminist “tough white female” bitch ass in its place.

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Well written. Feminism is on the rise in Russia and East Europe mainly due to a tremendous NGO influence from Sweden and other Scandinavian countries. The hipster and Western life culture has arrived in Russia and East Europe. Very slowly but steadily, women are becoming more like their counterparts in Scandinavia. Not to mention that in the past 2 years several new anti-male laws were introduced in Russia and Eastern Europe.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia/Ukraine become anti-male like North America in 10 years from now and even as extermely anti-male as Sweden in 15 to 20 years from now.

I concur that a Western alpha is far more superior to a Russian/Ukranian alpha because a Russian alpha is mostly based on empty gangster mentality in an atmosphere of abundance. But a Western alpha is a product of very high versatility, education, experience, motivation, drive, hard work, dedication, good looks, and a habit of competition in anti-male and pussy scarcity atmospheres.

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I hope you’re wrong but yes, we can see some of that devlopment. But at the same time, I hope that Eastern Europe can use the west as a warning example and avoid the worst of it in time. Also that we can use their part of the world as a crowbar to free our own.

Hungary as well as Russia are now turning quite anti-west and we’ll see if others join them. Even traditionally western countries like France are up for grabs with the successes of Front National.

/Greetings from the anti-male paradise of Sweden.

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How do you best game your girls in Sweden?

Can you start touching fast or even just directly ask them for sex?

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I don’t know where you live but I imagine it to be quite similar how it is in New York or Los Angeles or any such feminist place of anonymity.

I don’t bother with swedish girls for anything serious anymore. I find foreign ones instead. Eastern Europeans.

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For you EE women do you fly
To them?

What’s the cheapest way to get from Scandinavia to EE- is a particular airline or bus or train company good?

How can I save money hoping from city to city in Scandinavia- is their a train route that will let me work my way from Oslo to Helsinki?

What parts of Stockholm have most of the action for meeting girls?

Are college campuses open for me to walk around and day game local girls?

If you have questions about America- don’t hesitate to ask.
NYC is one of our best-Willaimsburg Brooklyn is cheap and fun. Meat Packing District if you have more $$$. Miami is crazy partying but full of vicious criminals whomdomrob and kill. Stay in South Beach, Brickell, or at the Hard Rock Casino (place is mega plex full of 8s and 9s on a Fri and Sat night- it looks like a modeling agency-mindblowing!).

I’d vote Vegas or LA though. Vegas is cheaper- hit the strip or Summerlin (suburban locals). LA is not cheap but safer than Miami IMO and with better looking girls. Only go to LA during the Summer- you can’t enjoy the talent packed beaches like Manhattan Beach or Santa Monica during other times of the year. West Hollywood is good for clubs. Pasadena and Burbank for day game and of course all the touristy areas like the Hollywood strip. Griffith Park is very cool and has a lot of hot girls running around.

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No, we have a few here who are from EE so I didn’t have to smile Exchange students, a few who moved here for work etc.

That’s a lot of questions there haha. You can take the train around Scandinavia but the distances are quite large since Scandinavia has a relatively small population compared to land mass so I’d probably recommend flying if you want to go between the biggest cities (the capitals).

Most action for meeting girls in Stockholm? Probably the hippest part called Södermalm. Old working class neighbourhood that has been remade into the hippest of the hipp. Home of the elite of political correctness if that doesn’t bother you. But there are places all over.

Yes, collage campuses are completely open. We don’t have campus police or closed campuses or any such in Sweden. But some universities are quite spread out whlie others have more of the tight-knit campus-feel.

Thanks for the tip, but I have a girlfriend at the moment and I’m quite content with that smile And I’d probably go to EE if I didn’t, not to the U.S, no offense smile But it all depends on what you’re after. I’m in my late 20s so I’m looking for more serious things than when I was in my early 20s (and actually dated swedish girls! :p).

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Nice posting.

Can you survive on 2500 Euros/month in Stockholm so you can visit and meet girls?

What’s a reasonable age range most of the hot girls (18-30yo) where you live will accept- 10yrs?
Like a 23 to wont usually date
older than 33yo men?

How do most girls in Scandinavia respond to stocky or
pudgy guys? I’m a big guy (6’4) with a bit of a belly but I radiate masculine energy.

How tall are most of the largest manly looking locals in Stockholm? 6’4? Or larger?

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Oh ya, you radiate masculine energy

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Yes, 2500 euros is more than plenty. Half or more of Stockholm locals probably makes less than that after taxes.

In my experience, feminism generally makes women think that men and women are exactly the same and thus that age differenes are bad. That’s naturally the case in feministic Sweden. There are of course more possibilities for avoiding this unofficial judgement if you look younger than you are or with some girls who are less uptight.

Outsiders seem to think that swedish men look fairly good and generally takes care of themselves so you will have competition in the looks department. But on the other hand, swedish men are known for being sky and needs alcohol to talk to girls so if that’s not you, you may have your competitive edge right there wink They (we) don’t generally radiate masculinity either (another trait of feministic nations).

Not sure what you mean by largest mainly looking locals but the average height for men is kind of 6´0 or around there.

But I’m still wondering what the large draw to come here at all (for girls) is since I myself (and many swedes with me) don’t even want our women wink If you’re looking to sleep around, they are probably quite good since they get into the sack fairly fast. But for serious search for more long term, I’d stay very much away from Sweden or any country known for feminism.

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Mediterranean men kill it with Swedish chicks….Spaniards, Italians, Greeks, and even Turks, Kurds, Syrians, Lebanese. Swedish girls automatically seem to think Dark/Mediterranean.Arab = Hot.

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Well, Roosh once gave the tip that there can be an advantage to looking different than the locals. If nothing else, you’re bound to draw attention and someone might like what they see.

Those fellows also often have the advantage of not having listened to too much feminism.

I guess my kind is not fit to survive anymore. Sad but that seems to be where the dominant road is leading.

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Asking directly for sex and touchign fast works if you are a dark(ish) man, not if you are a native Swede. Swedish girls love anonymous sex so being foreign and non0white is a plus. Besides a lot of them fetishize Mediterranean men.

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If your looks are 9/10 or 10/10, and have a good status, game and personality, just approach girls and take it from there. If your looks are 7/10 and below, you have zero chance. ZERO. You will be crushed like a fly by the extremely high level male competition, by the empowered females themselves, and by the feminist cock blockers.

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Right now that is highly unlikely. Makes me glad US created political shit storm. Russians are already adverse to western culture. That will only increase. (I hope)

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I do not believe this.

Most russians understand that sweden is basically an Islamic shit-hole with 1 in 4 swedes are raped alone, they understand that sweden is a self-suscidal country by allowing lots of islamic immigrants into there country, living from the welfare benefit system, producing children and slowly controlling the sweden, I doubt anything going to happen in sweden because most swedes are socialist/left thinking.

Secondly
The sanctions against Russia from the feminist US and EU, and additional to this the ruble which as dropped 40%, this is making more fierce tensions with the western feminist countries than anything else. This is all bad for Europe because they depend on russia gas and oil, you MAY say so what? We have renewable fuel yes, of course but what countries offers the more minerals for renewable fuel? for sure it is not the UK or western europe, it is again russia smile while the russian economy is growing of course with the backing of the chinese, the west is financially and morally bankrupted, the UK alone is 406% external debt, the same with every other EU country along with the US. However russia is just 20% external debt to gdp, china is around 30% debt to gdp. All this is producing positive signs, and this is why the western countries try and influence the music, media, hiphop shit and other degenerate media on the youth in russia + CIS, because they understand russia is a nuclear arsenal.

Third
The war in ukraine, this is going to be a huge problem, and it is possible could lead to war, this was led by the US and EU muppets which allowed an pushed for this to happen, because the EU is bankrupted, and want to lend money at the IMF to ukraine at interest, because they know ukraine is a very fertile country like the US and US, it was also known as the breadbasket of the soviet union.

Forth
And putin is also becoming more closer to China, due to the sanctions, and China has lots of cash, ever been to china? I suggest you to go and compare it with the US or western europe, china is not a feminist country and neither is north korea, Putin is building a oil pipe line into NK via SK and signed an agreement with Jinping, which is supplying both OIL and GAS, putin is also protecting Iran with the oil to supply to china and protecting syria as well, putin understands the problem with the NGO and just today Jinpong is clamping down on the NGOs in the country… all signs leading what you said above it false smile

Fifth
I talk to many women from the west, and women from russia and chinese, what I notice is that a REAL woman wants a alpha male, they do not want some wimpy male, who is scared or a cuckold, they want a man a REAL man, and if you look at russian woman they are beautiful compared to the US or western european women, they gleam with feminine beauty and THIS is what a women needs to be, however if your a socialist on a communist then of course you think the opposite. The women gossip magazines in russia also
talk this, and recently with pussyriot and the russian orthodox church is critial about feminism and the RISE of a christian orthodox russia, I just find what you are talking about it complete bullshit and misinformed and probably a paid troll. Have a nice life.

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Women need nor “alpha”males, who will abuse, rape and kill them (simple self-saving instict, who wants to be hurted and murdered?), neither wimpy mommy boys who need to be cared of like little children for their whole lives.
Women need men who: 1) don’t pose a threat to her&her children and family safety; 2) can respect her as an equal human being; 3) can take care of himself and share responsibility&care of their common children.
If man doesn’t meet these requirements, woman will better be alone than with him.
Women don’t have to chose between differents kinds of shit (“alpha” vs wimpy). There are normal guys in the world.

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Stfu you blue pilled faggot!

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anti-male? So you think all men are rapists/abusers or should be, and any protection for women is against men?

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Anyone who thinks they are alpha is retarded. They are a bunch of loser xenophobic alcoholics with a life expectancy equal to sub Saharan Africa. Maybe the rooshosphere believes that crap but the manosphere knows better.

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Says the guy who calls himself AlphaDog. LOL.
But yes, alphas never refer to themselves as alphas.
To be alpha, a man has to have high status and very good looks. Those who don’t have those two attributes and still get pussy are usually high ranking betas or circumstantial alphas.

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I’ve set it before and a lot of those guys are psyops masters.
Psychological Alphas (they work on that hamster until she sees reality through their lense like the g men and press do to the slaves on the US plantation).

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Oh nerds. Trying to define the world like it’s Dungeons and Dragons. And not understanding why you never ever see a vagina.

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His nickname is an irony. But i understand, “alphas” don’t get subtle things like that, it requires a human brain to do, not the one of an “alpha” chimpansee…

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That is a very inaccurate generalization. I am a Russian man and I can confirm this myself. I am neither xenophobic nor do I suffer from excessive drinking. I of course cannot tell you how long I will live but right now I am a generally fit guy, can run faster and lift more than the average guy in my age group, go to gym frequently.

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The Russian low life expectancy coincides with the generation that was raised on USSR rations, away from rheir natural traditional diet.

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Cabbage and poontang

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No it is because of the neo liberal policies that the West forced onto Russia through the idiot Yeltsin.

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Being “xenophobic” or homophobic (I am sure that is on your mind and this is the main reason you hate them) has nothing to do with being alpha or beta. Also having “life expectancy equal to sub Saharan Africa” does not have anything to do with alpha/beta. Calling everybody retarded for making just ONE assumption about people that they barely know (which is in your oppinion wrong) shows that you have very unrefined black/white thinking equal to that of high school dropouts. Being retarded is something very different, do your research smile

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More of a Sigma myself…

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What is alpha? Alpha used to be a good looking guy. Now alpha is the guy who sucks up socially to the paymasters. Western notions of alpha are a guy who gets laid a lot – but in all due fairness, they get alpha results, but are not true alpha males. An alpha male is a leader, a scholar, and a guy who gets fucks, amongst many things. Most western men are enabled in an easy environment where the female is the alpha. The male is just another cock. Arab men are alpha. The way the chinese band together as a nation, despite their problems is alpha. Western men are not alpha. There alpha males have been killed off or otherwise removed from society. This is why England will become mostly nonwhite in 20 years, before the nation is destroyed. And whites in general will be a diaspora in their own home nations in two decades. No, feminism has been used by the paymaster to create a socially engineered society where the alpha male concept has been turned on its head, catering to women’s basest desires, most of whom are dumb and have f*cked the white race so much through their choices that it can’t be uhf*cked.

The alpha male is a social construct and a sham. Whilst I do not consider the same for Europeans or North Americans, still, males are like 5% of all men in society, and this is generalised to the entire society – the alphas are not always the ones ploughing the most poosey. Once it gets to the 1% and less range like in England, you can assume every guy you meet is just a slave and not worthy of the title of being a ‘man’. Because it is true and unfortunately, whilst generalisations are not always true, I cannot help but feel this every time I go out. Scotland is almost as bad. And Europe is then next on the plate. But never again will I consider a UK person a ‘man’ or worthy, because they truly are all, almost to the last man, blind, dumb, slaves and are not male in nature, let alone alphas.

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Isn’t it reasonable to say that an alpha is tall, big, strong, hung, and has plenty of fine
Girls who will take his seed?

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You need to study history, this is nothing new, and the arab cock is not strong, what I find is arabs are liars and back-stabbers I believe it is called taqiyya, no strength in deception, because it is false not an original. However the UK is another shit-hole like sweden, it will become another islamic state UNLESS something happens with the immigration and the cultural marxist bolsheviks doctrine is removed from the media and the laws int he UK and I think SOMETHING is happening.. for example go back 5 years ago UKIP were are a joke party everyone thought they were a fool party, look at them today they are third most dominate party in the UK alone, however of course the communist BBC constantly attacks them, because they fear UKIP. Look what happened to Top Gear presenter clarkson, and dan cohen, and we all know what tribe dan belongs too smile Dan sacked clarkson because he was too “white” and too “british” for the british public, even though clarkson made the BBC 55 million GBP a year, they did not care about he was not the right type for there “new multi-racial image”, this is why BBC which is a self-suicidal organization which as been infiltrated by the chosen few. However…. something is happening, because the british people see this more often……. but they need to do MORE than signing partitions, even though the BBC keeps pushing forward multicultural on the television screens, unlike other countries such as Italian television which shows Italian people and no other foreigner, and the same for other countries such as russia and china, which shows there own people. However the real concept is the debt and welfare system of the uk, this is the largest expenditure for the UK gdp, which I said this is nothing new……. once the UK finally collapses, then you see a re-birth in people, I have no idea what going to happen and maybe the collapse will be chronic, due to the rise of china, but judging from history it will be civil unrest similar to yugoslavia and collapse of the pound similar to what happened in 1991 to the russian ruble, this can be avoided however as long as you have infiltrated left thinking politicians no way this will happen, and the british people themselves need to do something about it and expose the problem.

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The Slavic identity includes many, many different nations and cultures. Czechs are Slavs, as are Slovaks, Poles, Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, etc. I lived in the Czech Republic for a while and the dudes are a lot different than what you described. You’re the man, Roosh, but you tend to be a little sloppy and reckless when it comes to generalizing and describing large groups of people. Speak about what you KNOW. In this case, Russian and Ukrainian men.

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What kind of game works on Czech girls?

How can you seduce them fast?

Will college girls party with guys in their 30s in CZ?

I heard they are the biggest nympho Hos in Europe. They don’t even marry- just ride the carousel for as long as they can, right?

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I am from the Czech Republic. Partying here is a ‘childish’ thing, of course in the main clubs in Prague it is different but there are mostly foreign men + Czech goldiggers.

Most of the partying in the CZ is made up of 15-23 year olds. Nobody really cares about your age when buying alcohol and nobody cares if you sleep with underage girls.

At your age people generally go to restaurants, coffee shops, cinemas and PUBS, not clubs really per say.

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It’s important to distinguish between the Western Slavonic people like the Polish, the Czechs, and the Slovaks, and the Eastern Slavs like the Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians. Two simple parameters distinguish those two groups: Life expectancy drops sharply as you cross the Polish border going east toward Russia; secondly, population density drops sharply going east in the same way. Countries like Russia and Ukraine appear depopulated compared to the Central European countries like Poland, the Czech Republic or Hungary.

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Yes, male life expectancy in 2009 was 62 years in Russia, 64 in Belarus, and 62 in Ukraine. It’s hardly an alpha trait but rather a tragedy, especially when compared to the relatively well-to-do countries in the European Union like the Czech Republic or Poland

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Is life expectancy realy so important for game? It is new for me, thanks gays ) but how we can use it to work for us? May be it is somehow connected with YOLO topic?
Actually, mentioned by Roosh YOLO motivation is very high and common for russian and ukranian men. Crowds of us you could see in south east asia during december-april period.
But observation is true, alphamaleness is not russian feature. Confirm from inside

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THose numbers are up from the 90s, when the market ravaged russia, but still lower than communism in the 1980s, when E.E. had one of the highest life expectancies outside of the W.E….

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This is all true, but you forgot the one alpha trait…almost all Russian dudes will fight at the drop of a hat, if honor calls…and they are usually good fighters

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pretty fair balance. their alpha traits are pretty good tho

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Pretty much everything mentioned goes for Middle Eastern men also.

Roosh, how do/would Russians react to this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Lx4BFfQ3c

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He is just a bullshitter, a clown, “employed” by the Russian government to serve as official “opposition” to Putin.
In reality he’ll never even get a sniff of power in Russia and will continue his verbal escapades without ever having impact on real Russian politics.

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I thought he supported Putin

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Great blog Roosh. Its become a daily staple for me like Starbucks coffee.

For a newbie in EE-
Would he be better off town hoping to see whats out there or just pick 2 or so cities, stay put, and go hard?

Another idea I had (learned in a statistics class is to sample a population of 30-30 is a sample size that corresponds to the probable results out to infinity) is to go to a town and do 30 cold approaches and see how they react-if they like me I stay if not I leave.

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The more oppressed the country, the better the women will be. This has the opposite effect on the men. More affluent countries produce good men & bad women.

There are multiple reasons as to why the Western, American male is the most sought after by women globally & why the Eastern, Slavic woman is the most sought after by men.

It’s culture…the women of USA are spoiled & unappreciated of exactly how good they really have it. It makes them entitled & greedy with the malice to take their vengeance out on men.

“The grass is always greener on the other side…” & in this case, it truly is.

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Post of the day right here.

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Yeah… because Poland and CZ are soo oppressed… And all the girls go for the American dudes :facepalm:

Some of you should see a little bit of world before commenting. I’ve never seen a Russian girl picking up an American dude before a Russian.

What means “great men” for you? Do you really think Western men are great? Gosh they are shit, pussies most of them educated and believing in feminism. Masculine and manosphere dudes are 3% most of the West is faggot, betas, pussy beggars and pedestalizers.

I mean… come on. Why do you think women became so bitchy here?

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Poland wasn’t behind the Iron curtain for all those years? I guess WWII was a myth too? Yea, today Poland is doing fine. But when I was there in 2008, the girls basically flocked. & 6 years ago, it still wasn’t pretty, bro. Poland & Czech didn’t even enter NATO until 1999. What the hell are you talking about?

Great men? Why exactly do you suppose American men are the most sought-after for relationships globally? Probably because we’re progressive & treat our women better in this culture than any other on Earth. There are good & bad men in every country…just as there are good & bad women in every country. But you will find more in USA in terms of how to treat a woman in general.

Culture shapes the men & women in it & therefore how they will be as companions. It dictates to some extent both nature & nurture.

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None of the Eastern Europe countries has been oppressed by anyone in the last 25 years(the age around which I suppose you like girls) except ex Yugoslavian countries. And somehow the girls of those countries are less sweet than the girls of the long since libetated Poland and CZ, which leaves your correlation invalid. Also, girls from China are supposed to be oppressed and nobody finds them superior to Eurogirls.

Regarding quality of men, it is measured mainly by the level of self esteem, self worth and character the guy has, not how well he treats women. If anything, that quality is despicable for girls. Western men suck because despite going to the gym, having good looks, wealth, good jobs, etc.. they lack personality, character and self esteem, and are therefore not respected by their female counterparts. Western men also sell themselves cheap to girls who are many levels behind them physically and intellectually, because they are so desperate and needy for pussy. Again, a quality that derives from a pathological lack of self esteem, grown in them since children by the anti-male feministic dictatorship they grow in.

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Right or wrong…both of our opinions are simply opinions.
I guess we can agree to disagree.
By “oppressed” I am talking of a country that has suffered hard times for long periods in history. (No denying Ukraine, for example, is a oppressed country in 2014)
Comparing Chinese girls to EE girls is not a fair comparison BTW.
But I feel if you were born in Poland in 1989 for example ( I dated 2 Polish girls born in 1983 & 1985) you STILL feel the effects growing up as a child in a war-torn part of the world.
I guess I shouldn’t fully try to spew knowledge of this as I’ve only dated 2 women from there & not actually spent more than 10 days there.
As far as what you are saying about dudes from USA, I can say I agree with perhaps 50% of your opinion there. Although, you will find we are not behind women in our own country physically or intellectually…In my OPINION.

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You didn’t get it. I said modern American males are ahead females by miles. Same as Australian, Canadian, etc…

But women have x5 self esteem than men and there you have the effects.

In Russia you find guys who are worse looking than the average Western, but have x3 self esteem because their culture respects men and grows them up healthily.

Of course the dreaded market also plays its part, but I think the difference in self esteem is what plays the biggest role in this thing.

Regarding again to opression, Finland has very nice girls as well and has not been opressed since long. So with Belgium.

It’s quite complicated to reduce it to such a small thing as opression.

The bad quality cuntiness of the Western girls is because of the rotten cancer that is the feministic ideology, but some nations resist it better, and some others resist it worse. The Anglosphere and the Mediterranean area are the most afflicted zones by feminism, where quality and attitude of women got depleted the most. There’s a huge variance in all the West and every country got affected by the feministic cancer in a different way, it’s not homogeneous. Some Western nations have really nice girls, even despite the market dynamics and feminism.

I consider opressive the West , where you get opressed every time you go out to the street and cannot be a normal man without getting punished for it.

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By oppressed you meant by communists? HAHAHA. I am very much against communism but the neo liberal Czech Republic has way lower standard of living than the communist Czechoslovakia.

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Really? Is it true that life was better before 1989 in your opinion? Honestly asking, I had heard that already from left-wingers but did not give it much credit.

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“There are multiple reasons as to why the Western, American male is the most sought after by women globally”

Multiple reasons? How about just one:

Financial stability.

Do you think those Asian FOB or Russian women are with their Western men because they are physically attracted to them? Lol no. Never.

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Attracted? Yes, most definitely.
On a world scale, speaking as a pure hetero, the Yankee man is better looking than the Asian man & when compared to the Russian man, we’re better looking physically for sure.
My words are just opinion based. But there is a lot of truth to my words above. I’ve never really heard of a “sexy Asian man” or a “Sexy Russian male model” Yea, we probably have the best looking men in the world & we definitely treat women better than any other Nation on Earth. Yes.

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“American male is the most sought after by women globally”

…. AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You meant, most sought after by golddiggers globally? The yes, maybe, because American men are really low like that, Don’t have enough honor and will actually accept a woman who wants him for his money way more than most men from other nationalities.

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LMFAO American men are the most sought out? You either have really low self-esteem or you are retarded as fuck. I have multiple Asian & Slavic friends & American men are the LEAST wanted. Only gold diggers crave western dick, but only for a few years until they suck him dry. Being Chinese & Japanese I can say that even the ugly Asian girls you think are a “solid 9/10” think you are American trash. I don’t mean to be so blunt, but I despise American men like you who have nothing to offer yet you think you’re a gold statue that deserves to be worshipped. So do non-American women a favor & stay in America with your cows.

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Ya, I gave this some thought a little while ago. Basically, it is indeed a bit of a myth. Firstly, let us not forget that Russia’s Great Patriotic War was an absolute bloodbath for them. 20 million people were slaughtered by the Nazis, mostly males. A Russian woman explained this to me: women were not allowed to be overtly feminist, in the ball-crushing western sense, because so many men went to their death for mother Russia. They had to baby them. It has left a cultural imprint whereby women have to act kind of traditional. Plus there is a gender imbalance; there just aren’t enough russian cocks to go around for all the women, so men hold the cards.

Still, it is true that Russian men are generally not pussies. From what I’ve seen, they will fight. But it’s an old-fashioned masculinity. There could never be a russian james bond. russian masculinity seems to be the masculinity of confrontation, of the fight. I don’t see it as womanizing, and I suspect they are seriously threatened by western dudes, and when they are, they will simply nip it in the bud with a juvenile cock-measuring contest, like if you are in a bar they will challenge you to an armwrestle, that kind of thing. Yes, it may give a woman tingles moreso than a checkenshit, but a western male with a high IQ and options is still a threat.

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“A common belief in the manopshere is that men in Russia or Ukraine are super alpha and should be held up as examples for Western men on how to act.”

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And the Manosphere Straw Man Award goes to……. Roosh!

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There is an interesting correlation here between the rise of a middle class and the increase of beta men. Does this mean the EE women are getting more Westernized and creating this beta-inducing dynamic?

If so this blog needs to be translated into Russian immediately.

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Trust me, EE women would never turn into sexless and soulless creatures called women in North America.

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I hope you’re right – I was crestfallen when I read his reports on Toronto. Then after spending time in the UK, it was obvious the cancer spread over there too – fat, loud, obnoxious women were the norm everywhere. The rest of Western Europe is only marginally better – and not too far away from EE…

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Toronto=UK, ain’t no difference here. I’d never ever even approach a North American or British lady. I respect myself waaaay to much and ain’t able to handle all the bullshit and “ME ME ME first” attitude of North American women.
I’m in Southern Ukraine as we speak and can see it all myself. Tons of sexy, stylish, approachable and simply gorgeous women around here.

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I agree- I don’t know why more guys don’t have a Germany fetish. There girls are tall, trim, plain yet classy aka ultimate girl next door as they are not frumpty like many polish chicks, and well dressed. To me they reak of excellence- I absolutely love them.

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Roosh is absolutely RIGHT! Russian/Ukrainian males ain’t no different in terms of being Beta or Alpha from their American counterparts.
They might have been different 25-30 years ago during socialism, but now they are all more or less the same in their behavior, vision and values of life and the way they see women.
The problem is that a majority of Russian/Ukrainian males are significantly LESS educated than American ones. Less educated, less sporty and a lot LAZIER!!
They are momma’s boys indeed and most live at home with their moms at the age of 40+! YES, I do mean it cause I know it.
Some folks wrote here about the willingness to fight in Russian males, but trust me, they ain’t no different from folks in America/Canada and only a selected few would really be able to face someone 1 on 1 in real fight.
Yes, they might fool around with an arm wrestling session in a local bar, but would hardly ever go beyond that point. This ain’t a Soviet Union any longer where males where indeed males.
A lot has changed with an influx of Western mass media and an abundance of politically correct propaganda.
I can’t say that feminism is on the rise, but Russian males are slowly turning into the same pussified creatures as North American ones.
To sum it all up: A North American “alpha” is waaaay ahead of a Russian/Ukrainian “alpha”. Those selected few REAL males in North America who can be called Alphas have a balance of qualities like education, life experience, good job and skills/qualifications, they do a lot of sports and take good care of their bodies and looks, they dare to stand up and be counted and to lead by example. Whereas Russian/Ukrainian “alphas” in most cases rely on their parent’s money and savings. I do not want to elaborate on this one but this is a very common thing in modern Russia/Ukraine (living on parent’s savings/earnings).
I’m in Southern Ukraine as we speak, so feel free to ask any questions:-)

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What age bracket are you versus the women? How do the younger women respond to older (40+) guys?

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1. I’m married:-)
2. But if I were SINGLE, I’d have absolutely NO problems being 40+ years old myself to pick up a 25 y.o. female for a meaningful conversation, a visit to a bar or a night club followed by intimacy may be on the same night of a visit. Younger women here LOOOOVE older guys who actually know how to treat women with respect, take good care of themselves, are active in sports and can lead the way!

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Sweet – good to know & hope it stays that way for a while.

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It’ll stay this way forever, pal. North American and European males are in high demand here.
Come over yourself and feel the difference.

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Workin it man, workin it…!

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Listen, pal, I’m in southern Ukraine as we speak and I have a network of nice and cheap apartments here in Odessa and surroundings coupled with my personal introductions to the area AND dating scene. I also know A LOT of girls here who might be interested in dating AND having a good time with Americans, Canadians etc!!
It’s all in your hands, man! Everyone is welcome!!

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How are the opportunities to Teach English in Ukraine. I am currently in Turkey, and there is a huge middle class here with money to spend on english lessons. can the same be said of Ukraine. Will you find work off the bat?

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The best women in the world are American, Canadian, and British. In that order. (i.e., for US women, I am primarily referring to white, possessing at least a 4-year college degree, progressive, urban, chiefly from the Northeast corridor or the West Coast).

Only beta males flee the US to third world dumps to try to score with these uneducated, scrawny, provincial pheasant women who chain-smoke and have rotten teeth.

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Could you please be so kind and tell us what countries in the world you’ve previously visited?
Cause most of American, Canadian and British women just seem to be uneducated, selfish, self entitled chain smoking whores with rotten teeth who somehow made themselves and idiots like you to believe that they are all Beauty Queens and Miss Universe in one package thus deserving the utmost worship and attention from North American males.
I honestly hope that you have enough “Alpha” in you to answer such a simple question about your travels and experiences.

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Hahaha. American & British women are the largest & most unattractive women on Earth with a self-absorbed entitlement they’ve received by the feminist culture’s they’ve been raised into. They’re slaves to their smart phones, don’t know how to cook & are awful to the men they will certainly divorce & then proceed to rob. They whine & complain about everything & play hate-fueled games.
But we actually need the blind like you to take those 20 pound over-weight wildabeasts in flip-flops off of our hands…so, thank you, clueless Angelo-Saxon loving guy.

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1. Tyko, hello from Odessa:-) That’s where I’m in right now. I have a lot of options in the city and surroundings for those good folks who’d be interested to come over and experience the Black Sea and Ukrainian girls. All kinds of apartments are available for those who might be interested. Coupled with my personal help and introductions to the local dating scene!
2. Do you think our “Arlington’s finest” will ever have enough guts to admit the truth?:-) He can’t even answer a simple question about his world travel history:-)
3. 20 pounds overweight? How about 50+ pounds overweight women in flip flops and dirty sweatpants who still behave like Miss Universe and demand a treatment of a Miss Universe? Every North American city is full of ugly whales of a woman dating educated, sporty and handsome males for the only reason that all those males gave up, lowered their standards and selection criteria and decided to settle for the lowest of the low just to have access to that elusive pussy.
4. Read other messages from our “behind the screen hero” from Arlington and you’ll realize that he hardly ever gets laid and definitely does not have a girlfriend/wife. His head is full of politically correct bullshit and propaganda. He’s yet another example of what modern North American society can do to males turning them into pussified robots, slaves and androids with TV propaganda instead of brains.

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What’s your email? May need a getaway to EE soon.

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My e-mail is: [email protected]
I can offer help and assistance in southern Ukraine (Odessa and nearby smaller cities) and in central Ukraine (Kiev, Zhitomir etc).
I have a good friend of mine coming over to Kiev October 17 who’ll stay for at least a month. So it’s very very possible and easy to arrange, with a direct flight from New York to Kiev or an abundance of flights from several European destinations to Odessa where I can pick you folks up in a car.

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I’ll be in Odessa next week if you wana hang & get some coffee

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‘Many of them use compliments or drink buying to get conversations in the club started, with obviously no guarantee of success.’

‘They regularly buy their women flowers and chocolates. Because of that, girls get annoyed when I don’t do the same since it’s such a common behavior. You’re supposed to do it just because, not only for special occasions’

This actually works on feminine women. I believe maverick traveller has written about it.

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True that! Ain’t nothing wrong in buying women flowers, candies and small gifts. It ain’t North America after all where all females are after a “tall, dark and handsome millionaire” with a fancy lake view condo, hefty bank account, high status in the society and a couple of luxury cars. Eastern European women still know and appreciate qualities like honesty, integrity, dignity, respect, mutual understanding and support.

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The question remains, how would they behave if women around be as bitchy and annoying as western girls.

Would they become more aggressive and develop their alpha male attributes and skills or would they engulf themselves in a more beta patterns desperately trying to satisfy the ego of any bitch.

Considering their actual behavior I would suppose the fall in the later category.

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they are shit. once out of their comfort zome they are uncapable of anyhing

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Finding it hilarious how he wrote all of this stuff just to say that Russian/Ukrainian dudes have fewer resources at their disposal.

How oblivious is this dude to reality?

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I think I may have come up with a more precise definition of ‘Alpha male’.

First some definitions for direct and indirect benefits in mate choice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_choice#Direct_and_indirect_benefits

Direct benefits are those that increase the fitness of the choosy sex through direct material advantages. These benefits include but are not limited to increased territory quality, increased parental care, and protection from predators. There is much support for maintenance of mate choice by direct benefits and it is the least controversial model to explain discriminate mating.

Indirect benefits increase genetic fitness for the offspring. When it appears that the choosy sex does not receive direct benefits from his or her mate, indirect benefits may be the payoff for being selective. Examples of indirect benefits include better genetic quality and more attractive offspring. R. A. Fisher described this less obvious model in a book called The Genetical Theory of Natural Selection.[9] Fisher explained that, through indirect selection, fitter individuals inherit both the genes and the mating preference for some indicator trait. This linkage of an indicator trait and the preference for such trait results in exaggerated phenotypes and is known as Fisherian runaway selection.

An ‘Alpha male’ is the male who gets the *best sex with the investment of the least direct benefits. Thus he is being selected primarily for indirect benefits.

*Best sex= some optimum of quantity and quality. i.e. banging numerous hot 18 year old virgins is better sex than i) banging numerous hot 30 year old sluts, or ii) one hot 18 year old virgin. (Not sure if banging 1000 hot 18 year old virgins once is better than banging one hot 18 year old virgin for a lifetime, what one subjectively prefers would depend where one sits on the r vs K spectrum I imagine. (Personally I would prefer one hot 18 year old virgin for a lifetime who is also faithful and loyal over one night stands with 1000 different hot 18 year old virgins, but I guess I’m pretty K selected.))

Or put even more precisely,

An alpha male, is a male who is sexually selected maximally (or at the maximum) for indirect benefits while sexually selected minimally (or at the minimum) for direct benefits.

This is also the optimum strategy for not being a cuckold.

So a corollary of this definition would be that the alpha male, is the male who minimises the risk of cuckoldry.

Framed another way, for example, the alpha male is the male women want to fuck because he is soooo sexy, even though he is not nice, his sexiness is just too overwhelming. i.e. maximum indirect benefits (being sexy) with minimum direct benefits (not being ‘nice’).

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It’s because you’re a nerd and you have a need to categorize and overanalyze things, which leads to creating false dichotomies. What you describe is a good balance and authentically masculine.

I’ll let you carry on with your laughably simplistic marketing crap lol… btw Roosh when are you going to start doing honest work LMAO

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They’re probably showing these classic courting (“beta”) traits such as giving gifts and overcomplimenting because their women are more feminine than our crop of drunken roundheel manjaws.

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This mean war Turk!

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All Russians I ever met were not even alpha, they were straight up crazy, like war veteran with PTSD on PCP type of insane

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You can’t use “Western” & “American” male synonymously. American men are so feminazified, trying to build as much muscle as possible as a replacement for the testicles they’ve handed over to their women (“to prove they’re still “real men”; they must be with all that excess muscle…) & while American men are less effeminate in their behaviour than most western European men, they are FAR LESS ALPHA when it comes to their interactions with females.

In fact, the West’s most alpha men are also the most effeminate, French men. It is still the “Leave it to Beaver” America of the 1950s in France, with the father as head of household, supreme adjudicator & primary household law enforcer.

American men need to find their balls first, de-pussify, eradicate the feminazification in that country & THEN they will be able to compete with betas in western Europe (except Scandinavia, which is actually egalitarian & not feminazi like the USA, so still more manly!)

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So who are the most Alpha among males then ? Mediterranean men from the southern parts of Europe, and well-socialized, westernized Middle Eastern men from Turkey, Armenia, Lebanon, etc. ?

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its in their culture to buy gifts for guests just for coming to their house, so just because they buy flowers and chocolates doesnt make them more beta. thats just the normal culture around their for all forms of relationship

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It is all a lie

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That ugly traits you listen are the reason why i (slim beautiful russian girl) never even considered russian men for dating, sex and marriage.
Now i am in long term relationships with an american man 12 years older than me and 200 lbs heavier. And no one russian guy ever make his girlfriend more compliments than he to me.