The Number One Corrupter Of Women

This blog and others highlight a lot of problems being faced by Western men. Some of them include:

Let’s say that girls who possess at least two of the above traits are “bad” girls, who while fun to have one-night stands with, will ultimately not provide a man with happiness or joy in a relationship. There is one place where they love to congregate. It’s a place that over time turns any good girl into bad. It is the bar or club. American-style nightlife, more than iPhones, Facebook, and cupcakes, is the number one corrupter of women.

What is a bar? It’s a social venue where women can receive attention from men at predictably constant rates. Every approach performed will increase her worth. Every hot stud who lays pipe inside her via a one-night stand will reinforce in her mind that she deserves Mr. Perfect. These men feed her ego like an IV bag nourishes a surgery patient.

The effect of all this is cumulative so that a 30 year old woman who is well past her prime will put out attitude multiple times higher than a hot 18 year old who just started going to clubs. Since the older woman simply can’t forget all those men who have approached her and wanted to take her home, she won’t receive your approach unless you’re nearly the best of what has attempted to fuck her in the past, even though the number of guys willing to wife her up has decreased exponentially. Nightlife venues give average women near unlimited choice and attention, causing a sharp degradation in her attitude, warmth, and even her appearance.

How many times does the average American girl go out from the time she is 18-25? At 18 she hits the college club maybe only once a week, but after graduating she steps that up to two or three times a week. Once she starts establishing a career, she adds happy hours to the mix. Here is a conservative estimate of how many times a girl goes out a year, assuming she lives in a metropolitan city:

18 years old: 52 nights out
19: 52 nights out
20: 52 nights out
21: 104 nights out
22: 104 nights out
23: 156 nights out
24: 156 nights out
25: 156 nights out

Total: 832 nights out

How many times will she be approached each time she goes out? Let’s be conservative and say three, though it’s likely to be higher if she’s pretty. This means that by the time you approach her when she’s still somewhat in her prime at 25 years old, she has already been hit on by 2,500 men who wanted to have sex with her. Here is an image of approximately 2,500 people in an auditorium:

If we were to believes the fantasies of feminism, we’d think that these attempts are good for her and good for society, that it allows her to experiment with her sexuality, find her ideal man, and generally be a happier snowflake. But we know that all this choice does is turn her into a carousel rider who is unable to bring value besides porn star sex in any type of relationship. She’s going to give you a fun fuck if you’re able to spit perfect game which she believes she’s entitled to before moving on to the next guy who is a tad better than you. The more likely outcome, however, is that you don’t bang her. Unless your game is in the top 1%, you simply won’t have access to her because of the unlimited choice she has.

Game is an answer to put you in the top 1%, with the big assumption that you’re learning at a rate faster than your peers. Once a society becomes game saturated, an arms race ensues where a competent level of game that got you laid in 2005 would not get you laid in 2012. The sad fact is that not learning game at all will give you even lower results. It’s better to enter a gun fight with a rock than with your bare hands, though I know many men are choosing to drop out entirely and not even bother. Or they go to Thailand.

But wait, there’s more. One thing we missed with the girl and her 2,500 possible suitors is that internet whoring goes hand-in-hand with going out at night. Because receiving male attention is like a drug where dosage must be increased to receive the same high, girls continue the attention train online. If you count all the guys who message her on OK Cupid or POF, it’s possible that an attractive girl would have been contacted over 10,000 times for sex before you even spit your line. In one way or another, you have to compete with all those men. Here is a picture of 10,000 people:

How do you stack up? Do you have five years of intensive game study at your back? Are you a local celebrity? Do your muscles make girls wet? Are you hilarious? Do you have enough value where you can crush most of these men in the first two minutes of a conversation? I hope so. Otherwise you won’t bang the hottie you see in the club. You won’t even come close.

There is hope, and I’m sure the answer to this problem has probably already popped into your mind. Find girls who hate bars and clubs. It’s as simple as that. Even in a highly feminist society like America, a girl who doesn’t ever go out at night will still be gentle, caring, and likely have a low notch count. She won’t be rude, she won’t have trashy tattoos, and she won’t curse like a sailor. If she also doesn’t own a smartphone, she will likely be a dream girl. It’s even better if she doesn’t drink, because then you know that sex for her is a logical decision, not an emotional one that depends on some guy running aloof game on her. Her notch count is absolutely in the single digits.

The best place to find girls like this is during the day, specifically the bookstore. I’ve noticed that girls who read tend to hate going out more than girls I’ve met in other day game scenarios like coffee shops and Whole Foods. It really is impossible for a bookworm to prefer a night out at the club than to dive into a good book, and even I’m getting to the stage where I prefer the book than the club, however modestly high my chance of getting action on a random night is.

The good girl does have its own set of problems:

  • The seduction moves excruciatingly slow
  • She is shy to the point of being mute
  • Your ramble has to be strong since she won’t talk a lot
  • Sex is average
  • Her vagina is too tight

Regardless of these problems, I believe bookworms are the ultimate solution for a guy who has built up his game to a competent level and wants to spend a couple days a week with a good girl who won’t be so willing to ditch him for a minor transgression or just outright cheat on him with the sexy guy at the club who bought bottle service with his bros. While the bad girl is approached 2,500 times in her life, I doubt the good girl is approached more than 50 times. Here is a picture of 50 people:

It’s not as hard to compete with this crowd. Average game will likely be enough, and by average I mean you’ve hit the nightlife for a year or so to build up your confidence and escalation moves. Unfortunately, you still can’t escape the necessity to learn at least some game to become an attractive man. Don’t get it wrong and think that you can be an autistic geek and still pick up the cute bookworm. There is no avoiding some work on your part.

The irony of being a dirty manwhore who desires good girls is not lost on me, but even with my promiscuous behavior, I can’t help but gravitate towards girls who I know deep down will content me in ways that sluts simply can’t. Having rough sex is no doubt fun, but men innately want girls who care for them and don’t screw a lot of dudes. Unfortunately, nightlife exposure will always destroy a good girl.

Now I know I said that nightlife is the number one corrupter of women, but I lied. The number one corrupter of women is choice.

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Good post.

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Too true.

But at the same time, I like to go to clubs and bars. So if I were to be in a relationship with a non-party girl I suppose it would cause tension if I were be going out all the time without her.

It’s also tough to find attractive girls that don’t enjoy going out every weekend.

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Good shit man I was talking to my friend about this the other day after reading Solomons blog

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One doesn’t need to compete with 2500 guys, only the 20 who are at the bar that night.
Obviously, her vanity has been boosted by the 2500, but if she is promiscuous, she will shag one of the 20 anyway.

But one thing is sure: good girls, LTR material don’t go to bars or discos, almost ever. Good girls are romantic.

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Not always. I liked going out to clubs with my friends, mind you I’m 36 now and had two men in my life, 5 years with my ex straight out of high school and 15 years with my now husband. Always faithful to both. I liked getting dressed up and the rush of the atmosphere. And ps, I don’t have a romantic bone in me- but as my husband puts it, it has saved him thousands on gifts for anniversaries, birthdays, and any other corporate driven “holiday”. Don’t judge.

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I really like your thoughts on this whole idea of how women have “more freedom” and “more choice” and yet they are more and more miserable. I know some of these women who spend their nights in the bars acting trashy and bitching about how all men are douchebags. That is when they can be bothered to stop focusing on the smart phone. In my pursuits of chycks I’ve made it a point to stay away from any woman who frequents bars & clubs. That shit gets her nexted right away.

I’ve noticed that amongst the traits women claim they want is a man if for him to have “goals” – which is a code word for money. Yet in my experience men who have goals don’t spend much time in bars on Friday and Saturday night trying to lay pipe in skanks (unless pipe laying is their goal). The men I know who have goals are spending those night working their asses of on those goals.

It’s like O.G. Furious said, women only have two compartments in their brains. One is for kitchen and the other one they don’t use.

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Then the world society needs BADLY to go back to buying and selling women. Daddy tries to get the highest price he can for his daughter(s). Ugly daughters go for cheap to poor men. Pretty daughters bring big bucks from rich men. Daughters who have been trained in obeying and pleasing men from infancy bring higher prices than self-centered ones. Daughters who will bring large dowries bring high prices. Daughters whose poor families cannot provide them with any dowry are sold as concubines, not as wives. And so on: you get the idea.
We need to go back to not allowing women to divorce their husbands under any circumstances.
While some men will abuse any woman, most will cherish a woman who is submissive, obedient, respectful and a fit companion and aide to her husband. For the men who abuse good women we have the stocks and the whipping post, which were not finally abolished in America until the 1930s.
For women who are insubordinate, disrespectful, slovenly and lazy, troublesome gossips, we have the stocks and the paddle or birch. These punishments are far superior to jail, for they do not deprive women and children of their husbands and fathers, and remove men from the workforce, or men of their wives.

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So women can’t get out of marriage with a psycopath. Trapped into wasting their one life with a man who’s determined to make her so miserable she thinks she will die? Something wrong with that story.

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Having standards sets you free from the consequences of bad behavior. It’s always a trade off, of course; not experiencing certain vices might seem like an intolerable sacrifice to some. And yet if only more girls were raised in households with strong patriarchs, where they went to church every Sunday and learned the whys of chastity…learned to appreciate and value motherhood and the home, well. I think we’d see many more genuinely happy women. And a hell of a lot less confusion.

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I agree, women simply have a lesser consciousness. There are female academics who even attest to this. To afford them the same choices simply ignores that biological and mental fact.

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It’s a different consciousness, a feminine one. Women were meant to support man and please him. And man was made to protect and provide for her. A man slut puts her in harms way and is unwilling to provide anything more than his dick. cheap whore! So according to man whores, the women who snub you have a “mental disease.” And the sluts who sleep with you also have a “mental disease.” So if everyone around you has a mental disease, have you ever wondered if instead, it’s you and the lifestyle you lead?

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>So according to man whores, the women who snub you have a “mental
disease.” And the sluts who sleep with you also have a “mental disease.”

Except the former part wasn’t said by anyone. Normal women don’t have a disease, they are just women and in that they are different from men. Burt says they have a lesser consciousness. Statistically, on average, I would agree with that. IQ tests would also agree with that. It’s an unpopular statement for very obvious reasons but that doesn’t make it false. Average women don’t like to be told they’re stupid and smart men don’t like to talk about it in general because their target audience are smart women and those might get insulted, thinking we’re generalizing all women. So in real life (that is anything with your real name, face etc. attached to it) you can’t talk about women on average being dumber than men. But it’s still true.

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I’ve thought the opposite is true. Women catch so much more. Life kind of passes men by except for their one or two interests, and they are so competitive within these interests, even if they swear they aren’t, that the richness of life doesn’t register with their simple minded brain.

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You can’t dive deeply everywhere, you have to pick places. What women do by comparison is idly sitting on the beach and never even swimming. They just sit there and chat, and if you ask them what they are DOING they respond “getting a tan” and laugh. I can’t imagine that experience is particularly “rich”. There’s only so much to experience while doing nothing. My richest experiences are without exception things I DID, not things I witnessed happen while being passive.

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fuck you Bert you’re crazy like all the dudes on here. Crazy, angry and out of touch with reality. Go back to Saudi Arabia

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Could it be that bookish/geeky girls are just way more comfortable being introverted. It’s possible to be introverted and still very chatty, though some people are stacked so that they’ll never possess stellar (or even mediocre) social skills.

The latter tend to be super perceptive and don’t really want to be taken on a ride. That is, they can sense more so than average if you’re trusting or not and will shy away.

Just my thoughts.

I find that the girls who are super shy, but put a lot of attention on their appearance (whether trendy or formal) will generally make for ‘good girls’. They’re generally stuck in their heads with their feelings or thoughts and have a fascination with what’s tangible or
raw in the environment. And though they’re really hip to what’s going on in the world, they just can’t explain themselves.

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I’ve had dudes hit on me in the bookstore. They sit in the corner chair, sitting next to the cookbooks, waiting to strike up a conversation. Or they hang out near the sex section, or spiritual section. That shyness isn’t shyness – it’s being uncomfortable, appalled, and worried about being too loud for others. In other words, bookstore girls find their one sanctuary littered now with lame players with desperate lines and a sex craze in their eyes. It’s sad, and makes me retreat to buying off Amazon – to avoid over-cooked cock meat near Martha Stewart and Julia Child. That smile in the end you get from me is a smile of pity and wishing you well.

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i was almost about to leave this blog because there is too much woman hating and anti-feminism. However I’m reading because there are some good tib bits in between all the crusading. That being, a book store being a good place to find LTR’s.

Then i saw you with a female name, why are you here and what value do you get from this blog? How often have you gotten hit on at a book store? Twice or three times? Because if that place is already saturated, then there goes that idea.

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I would like to find out why rich feministic women got the stocks and whipping post for bad men abolished.
The whip is not a bullwhip or a nail-and-broken-glass-studded mutilator. It is a “cat ‘o’ nine tails” made of small cords. It is intended to adjust attitudes of misbehaving men, not to cripple them. After he gets his whipping Friday evening and spends the night in the stocks, he rests up and is back to work Monday morning.
A misbehaving woman, after her paddling, is fit to return home to serve her husband and children.
The paddle isn’t a heavy board; it’s a thin, flat stick that stings her bare butt without doing harm. Visualize a paint stirrer for a 5 gallon bucket. Her butt will be sore enough to keep her off of it and on her feet for a while, which is where she should have been to start with.

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then how a man should behave for you, so you will do like him?.. tell us, straight and honest way. We listen…
Those men want not just fuck you- most of them do want to create family, have children, be happy and make you happy. Why don’t you help them, put some effort in improving them? You will like most those you have improved, made better by yourself for yourself. Its better than retreats, worries and your “pity”, which no one really needs. Right?..

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“over-cooked cock meat”

Lmao!

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brilliant.

b&d had a similar post, about looking for shy girls.

http://boldanddetermined.com/2012/11/29/how-to-meet-shy-girls/

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Coffee shops and bookstores are great. Also good are venues and social circles devoted to particular niche interests, like the art scene, or music, or photography, or whatever.

Also, female sports, like tennis. Although, in my experience, the younger (20-something) girls who play tennis are oddly immature for their peer group. But the older female tennis enthusiasts are disproportionately complete whores. I’m 44, with average game, and I could still get laid by a bored housewife by walking across the parking lot at just about any tennis club in a 100 mile radius.

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Only problem here is that most attractive women tend to be rank bar sluts while nerdy bookish girls tend to be ugly feminists (not to mention obnoxious liberal progressives).

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LOL at liberal progressives. I wouldn’t marry a girl who isn’t a liberal. It’s funny how educated people (as you admit) also happen to be liberal, you know, right after they learn how to think for themselves… isn’t it? You think that’s a coincidence?

And no, people aren’t told to be atheists or liberals when they go to university, ask anyone who has been and they will tell you, they learn how to think for themselves, a VERY dangerous idea as far as the elite ruling class is concerned.

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Actually most studies say younger people tend to be liberal and older people tend to be conservative. Your belief that liberals tend to be educated is a bias your mind has conjured up to support your own narrative.

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You know, I can prove why it’s not a bias my mind has conjured up, here: http://www.mpopost.com/college-education-increases-likelihood-of-independent-voting-1478

Not only that, just to make sure it isn’t cherry picked, search for the following in google
education vs political party (or affiliation if you prefer)

and see for yourself

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The amount of delusion that you project onto others is amazing. Good thing you won’t be coming back here, as differing opinions clearly upset you.

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I’ve just posted a link from mpopost – why can’t you refute that? Of course you can’t, because it depicts reality and makes you feel uncomfortable.

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“right after they learn how to think for themselves”

You mean right after they’re taught how and what to think by a bunch of liberal teachers and professors. Liberalism is, among other things, a mental illness of the education system. Liberal beliefs are what you get when you let a bunch of people spend their whole lives in schools/universities. They become very, very BOOKsmart, but they never get to TEST any of their ideas. They never fall flat on their face with one of their stupid dogmas like everyone being “equal” despite all evidence. They end up believing really childish things that are designed to keep the peace and not hurt anyone’s feelings, not to describe reality.

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Wow, man you’re so off par. They learn HOW to think, not what to think. Insofar as they are taught what to think only follows from logic & scientific study/evaluation of ideas. All ideas are torn apart and improved upon, any ideas that withstand destruction of being torn apart are then considered as eligible theory.

Yes, they do become book smart, and all their ideas are TESTED – they use statistics and science to measure things and stringent models that are able to separate causation and correlation. Everything is based on accuracy & fact, not opinion. If there is an opinion, all it means is that it need to be put through the scientific process to see how well it stands.

Also, these things they believe in has nothing to do with not hurting anyone’s feelings. Racism & bigotry are terrible not because they hurt people’s feelings, but because facts have been established that the rants of racist bigots are incorrect factually, it doesn’t come from logic but pure hateful emotion. Not only are many of the statements made by racist bigots inaccurate, but also the results of inbred racism & bigotry are terrifying. Do I need to state the obvious, racism historically has never led to anything good. We never look back in history and say “oh, it was such a good idea that we hated these people for being who they are for so long. we are much better now as a result” – no!

Every time we look back at racism, it was always something terrible that we wished didn’t happen (holocaust is one great example). Have you ever heard of the saying “We should avoid these beginnings so that we may avoid those ends.” – ??

Nothing good has ever come out of breeding hate.

Thinking of racism as being avoided to not hurt anyone’s feelings just shows that you don’t understand the reasons behind it. If you didn’t study the necessary field & you’re just learning from demented bloggers like Roosh, then of course you will never understand the logical reasons behind why racism is avoided by educated people like the plague.

Roosh is only useful for talking about PUA tactics & talking about his experience and writing stories about them. Anything else that comes out of Roosh is practically garbage. Some of the things he writes, my god! He writes about evolution while showing he really has no understanding of how it works or at the very least, lacking an understanding of Darwinian evolution, despite being a microbiologist. Then, he uses his misunderstanding as a basis for calling Darwinian evolution as being incorrect LOL. That was very disappointing to read.

Everything else he writes is not about facts (there may be some facts in them, sure) but more about his emotional needs. He believes in things that gratify his emotions and tries to sell ideas about culture in order to fear monger to others & get them to accept his framing – which is completely emotional.

He hasn’t had one of the main awakenings that a man needs to have. That being, your emotional needs are not correlated with reality. There is no correlation between the two. Sometimes your emotional needs (you wanting something to be true) might turn out to be true out of luck or chance, but usually, his emotional needs about wanting to believe that precepts A, B or C are true are not correlated with reality. Reality is reality, it doesn’t listen to your emotional needs or grievances and adjust itself.

Do you think Roosh will ever believe that feminists who fight for equal rights such as pay equity, legal rights equity, fix other forms of inequity etc are justified and correct in doing so? He never will because of the emotional grievances – either he’s been attacked by them too often, or because they promote the stultification of women & teach them to be proud of it, all of these things that he hates deeply. These emotional grievances then cloud his ability to be logical & fair about things. It’s all emotion from here on, his logical analysis is now biased on these topics and cannot be relied upon.

Don’t get me wrong, I dislike those sorts of feminists as well, which is why I identify my grievances, notice my biases, and take them into account when trying to construct a logical manner of thinking about these things.

Even though it makes me feel deeply uncomfortable to accept or give credit to the sort of feminist i might despise, when I do I know I’ve separated biased, hijacked emotions from logic.You especially know you’ve correctly separated the two when the separation makes you feel really, deeply uncomfortable. Like I said, my emotional needs (or your’s, or Rooshs, or anyone elses) are not correlated with reality – sometimes they are the same, often not. But according to almost every human being, all of their emotional needs are almost always factual and correlate with reality. As you know, this is statistically and mathematically impossible.

We fool ourselves into believing that the things we feel the need to believe are true are in fact true, and often this is incorrect, but we will not let ourselves know this.

You have a choice, you can continue in the same path and mold your understanding of reality to what serves your emotional needs, or you can chase that very uncomfortable feeling, shell shocking almost impossible to digest thought processes – because every time there are such levels of ill-comfort, you know there has to be emotional bias and deportation from reality behind it. If you choose the uncomfortable realizations of your psyche in order to figure out what is true & what is reality, I assure you it will be a liberating pursuit.

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“they are taught what to think only follows from logic & scientific study/evaluation of ideas”

Wrong. Leftist dogma is founded on appeals to emotion, not scientific study. You’ve been indoctrinated.

“Also, these things they believe in has nothing to do with not hurting
anyone’s feelings. Racism & bigotry are terrible not because they
hurt people’s feelings, but because facts have been established that the
rants of racist bigots are incorrect factually”

Facts back up “racism” every time. There are very relevant differences between the races, this has been observed over and over but the leftist academia shouts it down (using the same buzzwords you used in your post) because it doesn’t fit their emotional dogma.

Intelligence and tendency to violence are the most crucial race differences. You won’t hear about these at a leftist college (that is, at any college) precisely because it hurts people’s feelings. For no other reason. Geneticists, biologists, hard scientists in general acknowledge that race differences are real. The establishment, influenced by leftist academics from pseudo-sciences such as sociology, denies race differences. You’ve chosen the latter side and its appeals to emotion over facts that make you uncomfortable.

“He writes about evolution while showing he really has no understanding
of how it works or at the very least, lacking an understanding of
Darwinian evolution”

This coming from someone who denies race differences. “Clearly, we evolved in different parts of the world for different lifestyles, we look different, we talk different and we think differently – yet we’re all the same on the inside, kumbayah” ~ what leftist brainwashed people actually believe.

“racism historically has never led to anything good”

You’re not a historian and neither am I. Yet you seem religiously certain about a narrative of “racism” you’ve been taught where I have doubts. If academia had taught you HOW TO THINK you would doubt, not believe. Believing is for religion, not education. No, they haven’t taught you how to think, they haven’t even taught you what to think, they have taught you what to BELIEVE. In the light of adversity all you are able to muster is a waterfall of dogmas you’ve been taught. You can’t construct an argument, you’re just stringing every leftist dogma you can think of into a long ass rant. You’re trying to overwhelm opposition by shouting them down, just like your ideologues want you to.

One last example:

“feminists who fight for equal rights such as pay equity, legal rights equity, fix other forms of inequity etc”

The pay gap is a myth, it’s NOT based on “same job, same work hours” no matter how often feminists lie about it.

Women already have equal rights + additional reproductive rights that men do not have.

“Other forms of inequity” = the feminist cult’s attempts to secure even more additional rights that men don’t have.

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Excellent reply in every respect. Unanswerable.

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Actually some of the feminist groups admit there is pay equity already(here in the U.S.).

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I lived when racism had real world consequences(e.g. people dying, people kept poor due to race or sex). What we have now doesn’t come close to real racism, because it doesn’t have the consequences it used to.

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Liberals need to learn math, and just having what sounds like a good idea does not complete the process. You have to try out the idea to see if it works(i.e. science). I listened to Gray Davis and a Congressman from Los Angeles, and they bragged that California had the 5th largest economy in the world, if it were a country. Meanwhile, everyone I know here is broke, and something like 5,000 families pay 60% of our state income taxes. Those 2 guys thought we had a good economy because of its ranking, but, in fact, we have a poor economy-unless you are rich already.

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Roosh, have you read The Parodox of Choice?

I haven’t, but I saw the author’s TEDtalks presentation, which explains his belief that having more choice leads to greater unhappiness.

Here’s the video for you or anyone who’s interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6XEQIsCoM

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My grandmother told me 20 years ago to never get married because all women want to do is go out on Saturday night. Kind of exactly what you are saying. In my 90 year old grandmothers way of saying it.

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I’ve found that there is a happy medium within Happy Hour. I’ve found bookish quality women in that time frame, whether at a quiet tavern or a coffee shop.

Too many distractions with the late night thing.

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I think I’m a good girl. I’m 20, I lost my virginity at 18, I never, ever went out before I had a boyfriend (and I still don’t go to bars or clubs, but I am also too young for them). Never went to parties, didn’t like them and the atmosphere. I have a crappy texting phone, not a smart phone.

I think I’ve been approached more than 50 times (I’m only alone when I’m doing errands, but I dress nice so I think it makes it seem like I am “available”), but I’ve only had sex with one person and I’m still with him. I just practically worship my boyfriend. He is the coolest person in the world, ever.

Don’t really mind not being a bad girl. I’m excited to turn 21 so I can go to bars with my boyfriend, and that’s about it. I think I’m just a traditional person. I enjoy computer programming which is very much a male-oriented field and am going to school for it, but only because I like learning about it. I don’t want a career, I just want to be a happy wife. If I wanted a career I would get one, but it won’t make me happy. I worry this means people find me boring and meaningless more than anything, though.

Sorry, just going on and on about myself here. Interesting post.

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the biggest illusion here is the perception that many westerners mistakenly believe it’s hypocritical for a man who fucks around to desire a chaste girlfriend. It is on the contrary the ultimate expression of sexual instinct and human nature that has perfected itself to work for over a million years. There can scarcely be anything more perfectly harmonious than a conqueror adventurer guy marrying a protector conservative lady, the keeper of virtue and morality in the family.

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Science actually finds that evolutionarily speaking, women are bigger whores and must accept any man coming at them to increase the rate of getting pregnant. She also must make the sperm fight each other to win the egg, the biggest, baddest, strongest wins the evolutionary fight. After the pregnancy, she’s likely to change to better values than just being a whore, to protect the child but some don’t. Get over it dudes, as many women as you fuck, there is a woman there to receive. I think men are jealous of women merely because they can get laid anytime they want.

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BS. Ten fertile men can’t get a fertile woman any more pregnant than one can.
One healthy man, however, can keep 100 young women pregnant without even working up much of a sweat.
A normal man produces about a billion sperms a month. A normal, nonpregnant woman produces one egg a month.
Even at 150-300 million sperms per emission, a man has the capacity to impregnate one or two optimally timed women a day.

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“She also must make the sperm fight each other to win the egg, the biggest, baddest, strongest wins the evolutionary fight.”

This is a hypothesis to explain why SOME women are promiscuous and why sperm are capable of “fighting” to some extent. That doesn’t prove it’s good for anyone involved.

“After the pregnancy, she’s likely to change to better values”

Too late. No quality man will accept her when she’s already pregnant. Paternal uncertainty means that the best thing a woman can do is secure a partner who seems reliable as early on as possible and do everything to give him the feeling that he is the only one. Women who don’t do this likely evolved to rely on their community / extended family more than on any particular man. Same women who vote for more welfare etc.

Also, go home with your Freudian delusions about jealousy between the sexes. There is nothing to be jealous of, both sexes have it rough in life. Men are superior in every regard but that superiority isn’t a bonus, it’s the bare necessity for succeeding as a man. And women are inferior at everything except making babies, so no matter what they attempt they always have it harder. While we celebrate and idealize the few women who do succeed in male professions so much, we like to gloss over how rare they actually are. We like to pretend the others just didn’t get the right kind of mentoring or something must have held them back. Yeah, being a woman held them back, duh.

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I met my wife when she was 6 months pregnant. Her ex split when she refused an abortion. Our 4 year old boy is an absolute delight to be around.My wife would do a school shooting for me if I asked. There are some quality men who would choose a gal with a fat belly.

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Females should never get pregnant from the same male over and over again. Each time from a different male is the ideal. Not even the most strong, beautiful and youthful males get to reproduce for a long time, their prime lasts little, as new youthful, strong and beautiful males come around and take the older males’ place. Even females of monogamous species “cheat” on their partners for better sperm from younger, more beautiful males, even if she is an older female herself. Nature is wise, THAT is natural sexual instinct.
Most, if not all females should procreate – while a smaller, sometimes the smallest portion of males should procreate. Females choose males mostly by visual clues; he has to be beautiful and/or strong and youthful (young adults – they have the most viable sperm). Females… they just have to be females and horny, really. Now, the males who aren’t meant to procreate still play their part: they are there to be the first ones to die if the group if in danger, end up as prey more often than females and more desirable males and, of course, also get to copulate (but not necessarily reproduce) when a female is in heat. It’s very common in nature that females will have big “orgies” with many males when in heat, after copulating with the best male around, so she can secure her pregnancy.

Also, animals of many species have sex just for fun. That includes monkeys, dolphins, humans… and oh, yes, in all of these species females having “orgies” with man males have always been a common sexual strategy.

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You seem to think that “animal sexuality” falls under some giant umbrella. We are only concerned with primate sexual strategies.

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Do we have wars to get rid of excess young males? If so, we’re doing it all wrong. We send the most physically well-developed, healthy young men off to war. The better strategy would be to send the defectives off to die and to kill the “enemy’s” defectives.

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it won’t be so “perfectly harmonious” when she comes down with diseases you have infected her with.

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Honestly, you’re living in a dream world. You’re not a pirate. Become a rock star or actor and you can do what you want. Otherwise, get a clue.

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I am 42, devoutly religious, and happily married with 2 kids. I never plan to cheat on my wife. With that, let me tell you – I am facinated with what I have read on your sites the past week. (Linked here from TAKI’s.) I just took the red pill. Suddenly, everything makes sense. I’ve wanted to bang every cute girl I have ever met, even today. If I knew 20 years ago what I know now, after reading your stuff, my life would have been completely different to what it is now. I love my life now but what I am trying to say is, I love this stuff you write because it is so absolutely true. You know your shit. You got a fan for life.

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Roosh, great writing… one minor thing – nothing can decrease “exponentially” – I think you meant logarithmically (dropping very quickly and rapidly approaching zero”.

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To find a woman who doesn’t like going out, has no smart phone, loves books, and doesn’t have a POF account is hard to find in this country. The only place I can think of that remotely fits this criteria is Amish Country smile
Looks like we are all going to have to invade, pillage, and occupy Amish Country.

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The Amish young women, from the appearance of the ones I’ve seen, could use some, no, a lot, of fresh “English” semen. Despite their conventions, where young people from widely spaced communities are matched, they are badly inbred.

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Seriously though, I think the best chicks to hook-up with are Art Chicks (drawing, painting, sculpture, photography, nude modeling, and music). They are the best of both worlds. They have the substance and approachability of good girls & the fun and freakiness of the bad girl. It’s a win, win for everyone.

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DAP, you are correct. This is because artistic women are in touch with their souls, and are therefore purer in the soul, leading to the best of both worlds. However, you have to discover all the layers and be willing to invest, because they truly are the best…depth, beauty, spirituality, philosophy, sexuality, intelligence, zest, love, principals, and morality.

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In the context of your article I see increasing phenomena of what u r saying in Poland. Moreover, polish girls have been exposed to night life style within reasonably short period of system transition and that is WHY statistic polish guy have not develop equally competent gaming skills. However most game approaches in Poland take places in close social circles during flat parties as this is the most preferable environment for polish man. ( I agree with lack of confidence and style) Those who evolved to skilful level approaches are rarely seen in common pubs or night clubs which are mostly overflow with potatoes. No game approaches in pubs are standard in Poland based on high statistic access to bangable young hotties. Which is a shame.
In my view Poland will still stay very attractive place to have ultimate pleasure with beautiful girls due to population size (38m), sexual freedom, genetics,economy and delay in getting skilled gaming male in proportional ratio. Well you just breed one of them…thanks for ur great books Roosh

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Yup, that’s exactly what my girlfriend is like. (Easily the hottest girl I’ve been with.) Introverted and shy. I always had to carry the conversation for the first while. (I still have to if we talk on the phone, which can be a little annoying but whatever.) She hadn’t sucked dick before me (suddenly gave it a go nearly 3 months in). Initial penetration still sometimes hurts her. Although it’s not “too tight” – it’s fucking good.

Sex is vanilla – however this kind of personality means she is submissive which is a big turn on during the act.

She is now opening up though (heh) and taking initiative. (These girls will take NO initiative for the first while – don’t interpret it as a lack of interest.) She has never played games or flaked. If she doesn’t return a text right away I know it’s just cos she didn’t see it, not cos she’s being a cunt.

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I hope she knows you frequent sites, think like this like this and talk like this, though. If not, you are at least just as bad as the “bad women” the men in this site love to cry and complain about.

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Roosh, you’re spitting that Houellebecq ish: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-9674.html (see the quoted passages especially)

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“Here is a conservative estimate of how many times a girl goes out a WEEK, assuming she lives in a metropolitan city”

WEEK should be YEAR, right?

[Roosh: Fixed.]

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I’ve been running the same game for the last six years and it still works. razz

Nah but seriously your right, my results have dramatically been impacted by the scenario outlined above. Where in college I was having threesomes and an away team in other states when I visit family. I just run a special brand of us vs them game if anyones curious and I typically have one or two props or events scripted if I want to keep the girl.

Your starting to get into the real application of game which is more theory for most then possible reality. In my non trying to keep whats beautiful around job (really thats all that game is on an esoteric level – a betting strategy to mortgage failure to a date where the vividness of our perception of life is limited so much we couldnt even enjoy it anyways) I deal with these types of systems.

Some simple rules if you guys want good girls:

1) Pick up a religion. You don’t have to believe in it.
2) Don’t go to bars.
3) Help out at charities.
4) START a charity. (This was so awesome in college lol)

Basically, you do actual good things for people, then you spit game.

Example: Cute girl at the grocery store checkin out people. Army vet holding a sign that says “need food place help”:

1) Buy food for him, get ring up by said girl, make a crack or too be noticable.
2) Go back in line, say something like we meet again. She says “forget something?” or something retarded like that, you say no there was a veteran outside that needed food so I bought it for him.
3) Quickly segue, and if then close out to something like museum date. (Theres a particular spot I go to in my town, but I pretty much closed her on this)

Your gonna still experience rejection, but you have to think odds. As much as people don’t want to admit it, the meta of the game is no different then a casino game. Its not stacked in your favor so you have to count cards (e.g. game, other practical social dynamics and behaviors).

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What will happen to game if all women become good women? The old whores phase out of the scene, but the young girls keep their thighs shut tight enough to crack a walnut. What if no women put out, where does that leave a man?

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“Good” woman doesn’t mean “antisexual shriveled-up prude.” Good women want to fuck. It’s what we’re made for. They’re just more particular about it.

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“The irony of being a dirty manwhore who desires good girls is not lost on me …”

There’s a dramatic tension in that conflict that’s kind of interesting also, though.

Certain bookish “good girl” types will overlook many character flaws in a good writer.

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@25 – “What if no women put out, where does that leave a man?”

Then the human race dies out … but there’s absolutely no danger of that happening.

Women are just as dirty, horny, & perverted as men are – but only when they are ovulating. That’s one week in four while they are fertile (from puberty until menopause).

There is a built-in imbalance between the sex drives of men & women in humans. It comes from that biological fact.

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What? Find a girl who does not go to clubs or bars?

My experience has always been that she will be overweight, sometimes ugly, boring or without any personality. Why she does not go out when she’s young?
Um-um perhaps beacuse she is not attractive enough comparing to club girls? Yes! Thats usually what happens.

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Please avoid raping the women. It produces manhating feminists who sit around eating to get solace, and whining.
If she tries to push you off her but doesn’t try to hurt you, she most likely wants it. Many women like to pretend that getting fucked isn’t their fault, that they’re all innocent. But be on guard for genuine refusal, sniffling, crying. One girl, who was trying to convince, to deceive, herself, posted that “just because I said, ‘yes’ doesn’t mean that I consented.” Um, yes, it does, sister.

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#4 said:
But one thing is sure: good girls, LTR material don’t go to bars or discos, almost ever. Good girls are romantic.

Good luck with a romantic girl after 2 yrs of relationship with her wink

Most girls don’t have hobbies with exception of shopping, corporate work, watching TV soap operas…

Question for you guys: how do you see yourself diving into LTR romantic connection (staying mostly at home with HER) after many years of game in bars, club, beach, thailand, poland, london, nyc, miami? its a gigantic lifestyle change. Mark my words, you’ll miss being single, wild, without that romantic prison and bondage…

de gustibus non est disputandum

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I don’t know about the whole America becoming “game saturated”… At my typical night out at the bar, I see maybe a couple frat boy type of guys who can’t dress opening sets and the rest of dudes just talking to the girls in their group. I’ve got 6-8 girls in my harem and I don’t remotely have time for all of them. Of the 60 guys in my grad program maybe 3-4 dress well, maybe 3-4 lift weights, maybe 2-3 approach women regularly, and maybe 2-3 read game stuff. Not one of these guys except myself do all of the above…

The vast majority of dudes in the US are not stiff competition. How many good looking, well-dressed, buff guys approach women and have game? In the best clubs in LA and New York that may be the norm but overall it’s gotta be like .1% of the US population.

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Yes, this is not at all true. Don’t be fooled by “good girls” lol. They don’t exist.

I briefly dated a girl who was just like this. Never goes out to night clubs or bars, has no smart phone. Very pretty even at 30 (no one believes she’s 30), educated (MIT degree), shy, quiet, feminine, classy-looking. One of the biggest sluts and crazies I’ve ever known. Her friends don’t know this about her, and she likes it that way. She whines to them about how she’s single, has no boyfriend, etc.; they white knight her, shower her with attention, do her chores. Meanwhile in the year during which I knew her she saw five other guys besides me, and that’s just what I know of. And these were not “nice guys” she was seeing for potential boyfriend experiences. Everyone from European tourists, to South American male models in town for a bit, to her locksmith (she doesn’t give a second look at American guys). She was pursuing me relentlessly, I’m a foreigner, and I treated her like crap, and she was all over me so long as I pushed her away. Became an unbelievable nag and psycho after I gave in.

“Good girls” is a fraud, they’re just girls who are good at hiding their sluttery, but they’re usually worse than any nightclub skank with a short skirt. At least you know what you’re getting with an honest slut, and they’re less likely to try to manipulate you. “Good girl” just means a girl who puts on a really good act which she tries to cash in by hoping to get attention & services out of their friends, and to get the romantic treatment from any fool stupid enough to buy their facade. The seduction period is not “long” with “good girls.” They will literally fuck guys they met the same day. It’s just they meet them during the day or in other circumstances, but if they expect you to “court” them they think you’re a chump.

Stay away from “good girls.” Go for the honest sluts.

Guys, in tribal societies they literally lock women up during a certain time of the month, even in small villages where everyone knows what everyone else is doing. Do you think not having facebook or a smartphone will stop a woman? It’s farce some devious girls put on for suckers.

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@ Cicero

I think that’s a good point. Most times I go out I generally see 80% of guys talking to girls in their group or hanging out with other guy friends and are too afraid to approach. Of the guys actually approaching, only a small handful will be well dressed, fit and game conscious.

I agree that girls will inevitably be approached by a lot of guys but the reality is that as Roosh said the vast majority of them will get absolutely nowhere. I’m sure a lot of guys here can relate to girls they have been seeing telling them about some doofus who approached her with some dumb shit line only to be laughed off. Sure, the attention whoring has had a negative impact but I think if you hit the weights, look sharp and keep your game tonight you can rise above the fray and be fine.

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*Keep your game tight

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Roosh, a vagina is never too tight! I’ ve had flings and even relationships with quiet girls. Some of them can be very dirty in bed.
Another good thing about girls who dress conservatively is that it’s very exciting to undress them as there’s the thrill of finding out what their bodies look like underneath.Overexposure kills desire.

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Then you’ve never been vaginismussed. If you had, you’d know better. Amazing how hard a vagina can squeeze!

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The book girls don’t dress as nice and you can count on them to never wear heels or makeup, they often wear bland underwear too.

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Who cares about underwear? It comes off or pulls out of the way quickly and easily.

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@pantyfx

Did you seriously just recommend buying groceries for homeless people in an attempt to impress a clerk, then bouncing to the museum for an instant date? How is any of that logical or practical?…just curious, that’s all.

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I was in a semi LTR with a bookworm a while back. Her digits were probably not single, considering the fact that she was 35 at the time.

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“■Her vagina is too tight”

I guess I’m just going to have to take the bullet on this one.

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Have you picked up girls in Thailand?

I’m not sure that lying to girls about your intentions qualifies as game. I think that’s just called … lying. Promoting game is one thing – banging as many women as possible, which is your schtick, is creating exactly the thing you whine about.

Check yourself. You’re having fun, you’re making a buck. At the same time you’re promoting lying, bullshitting, conning chicks – so they become exactly the thing you keep bitching about.

Meh, Roosh.

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Yes this is the thing that gets me, so I try to understand what is going on here. Most of Roosh “adventures” are chasing women who are basically sluts already. Notice he has a funnel method, a screening process where in the first few minutes he can tell if she is a slut/open to sex or not. I take this to mean that the smart book worm girl is not going to pass the first screen.

One could say that he is not creating the thing he is bitching about, rather he is bitching about the thing and then using game to get around it just for the basic sex act, which he might not get otherwise. Its either that or his right hand at home alone?

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As long as it’s obvious to her that you’re lying, she’ll eat it up.

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@40 — couldn’t have said it better myself — oh yeah, hypocrite pretty much sums it up. Oh and talking about others appearance when he’s beyond repulsive looking himself.

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^^^violentfemz still butthurt

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LOL at 40 and 41…Girls never lie, guys are bad umkay, and it’s like totally NOT COOL to call feminist’s fat when they totally don’t care that they are fat because it’s like empowering to be unhealthy and unattractive . Great article Roosh.

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“Oh and talking about others appearance when he’s beyond repulsive looking himself.”

How many days before the napalm washes off? Or is it like agent orange, they pass along the mutations to the next generation…

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@43 who said girls never lie. Overweight is unhealthy and keeps a woman or man from looking their most attractive. Still doesn’t change — Roosh is a hypocrite and at best a 4 on the looks scale.

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Meh, as the old saying goes “Treat a lady like a whore and a whore like a lady”. Every good girl is some famous/pre-selected alpha’s fuck toy. Your bookish sweetie would gargle Salman Rushdie’s nuts if the opportunity “rises” and hamsterize it as “it just happened” besides she’s not attracted to him physically.

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“The number one corrupter of women is choice.”Yes! You speak the truth once again Roosh.

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When you’re good at something, you tell people. When you’re great-they tell you. Roosh to manosphere community is like Muhamud to muslims.

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Viola.

Yes, you’ve hit on a new concept for me — Accumulative Adoration Syndrome – AWS

You’re absolutely right. The accumulation of preceived adoration from so many guys hitting on a girl distorts their sense of value beyond repair. And, you;’re right about teh club scene; it just give girl more attention per hour than in just about any other venue. Even pole dancers in a titty bar don’t get so much one-on-one attention.

So, I do find the early 30-something woman, just past the peak of appearance (minus any excessive breeding) to be some of the hardest gaming out there. They just think they’re all that and have seen enough game — good and bad — to not be impressed with anything short of perfect game, stunning good looks, and sizeable financial accomplishment.

It happened to me the other night at a club I frequent where I was sitting in with the piano player and laying down some sweet jazz standards on my horn at the request of a solid 6 blonde. I played her request, which she claimed to love. I escalated and attempted venue change twice, only to be rebuffed. She came up with some excuse of having to get home to let her dog out. When she asked where should could hear me play again, I said, “your place.” She balked. ????

Confused, I sat for a moment and finished my scotch when it occurred to me: the girl is nothing more than an attention whore! Shed used me to validate her distorted self-value.

I said goodnight, packed up my horns and left. When I walked out the club, I saw her chatting up some other guys outside the club. She sure wasn’t in any hurry to get home to that dog.

She was there to get her ego stroked and have her perceived value reinforced by having others of actual higher value (me) pay attention to her. She claimed to be 37, so according to her looks and age and the fact that she’s not afraid to hit a club alone, I’d say she’s gotten lots of attention over 19 years of going out.

Now that her ways of caught up to her, she’s not getting the kind of attention she used to. According to Solomon, she’s nearly 10 years past her prime. Even though she didn’t do herself in with popping out a few kids, her clock is ticking, but not for a life partner and perhaps kids, but for the kind of attention she got when she was 27.

I feel sad for her, but then I don’t. She didn’t offer to buy me another scotch, even after I played Funny Valentine for her on my horn. Next time it will be, “No Pay, no play.” Men can be whores too!

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she was admiring the music and talent, she was giving YOU attention, not the other way around, and you jumped at it as if it was something sexual. that would freak out any pure music lover. and all that psycho analysis — so off. a woman’s value isn’t about how much attention she’s getting, it is in whether she values her own preferences enough to say yes to what she is attracted to, like piece of music, and no, to what she isn’t attracted to, like sexual advances from a man she feels nothing for. and attraction depends on an individual’s taste you may not know nothing about even after many conversations, and yours with her were superficial.

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Dude. I think it is so sad that you value yourself more for your ability to play at this PUA game crap than for your talent and skill as a musician. She wasn’t trying to take advantage of you – she was complimenting you. Giving you real respect for something that is real about you. And she probably didn’t buy you a drink because she thought the club was giving you your drinks.

I’m so sorry you don’t know your own worth. Seems like this PUA ruined you.

Look – I’m a complete feminist, and I’ve been reading this site because I think its funnier than the Onion. Or Elite Daily. But after reading this post, I have to stop. It’s just not funny anymore.

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Question: This is right, however, if this is the case, why are you sending large amounts of men to game ukranian and polish women knowing that it will corrupt them?

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Everything about this post is gold, but that last sentence Roosh is the jewel.