The Only Relationship Game You’ll Ever Need

You’ve probably noticed a few game blogs in the manosphere that focus on relationships, such as Red Pill Room and Married Man Sex Life. Heartiste has also been active in this area. Without relationship game, the argument goes, your wife will lose her butterflies for you, lose respect for you as a man, and then one day begin divorce proceedings that will destroy your family dream and your well-being.

I agree with this argument when we’re talking about American women. With them, the game never ends, and the men who don’t play it, whether on the first date or on the wedding day, will get played. But I think I have a better game for you to play: get into a relationship with a woman whose love for you is not dependent on you being aloof or treating her like a bratty little child. Get in a relationship with a woman whose feelings for you don’t seesaw daily or need constant maintenance and upkeep as if it was a rusting Harley. Get in a relationship with a woman who you can do something nice for without her wondering where your balls went. Get in a relationship with a woman who was actually sincere in her vow to be with you through thickness and thin.

I’ve always thought that I was a damaged soul for not wanting a relationship with a woman, that maybe people are right in their psychological assessment of me that I have mommy and/or daddy issues, but now I believe the problem was that I met so few American women who were worth it. Whereas 10% of American women I banged deserved an additional care in my mind after my pelvic muscles delivered its first orgasm in their presence, that percentage for Eastern European women skyrocketed to 80%. Four out of five girls I bang in Eastern Europe are worth a second bang.

This latter group is so sweet, kind, and feminine that I’d be a damn fool to discard them after just one bang. And if I did, I’d feel not just player guilt for dumping them but human guilt as well, as if I was hurting someone that would be hard pressed to deliver me the same harm. Unless an EE girl puts out obvious slut signs, or she’s absolutely clear I’m not staying for long, I won’t pursue her if I’m not willing to date her for at least a few weeks and give the relationship some type of chance. It doesn’t feel right to waste this girl’s time because chances are she’s looking for a long-term relationship. On the other hand, if she’s American, I don’t delay in giving her what she wants, which is riding her like a donkey hopped up on meth while calling her a dirty slut.

I treat EE girls like princesses. My average date is taking her out to dinner, out to drinks, or cooking at home for her. As much as I complain about how Western woman can’t cook, I like serving women as much as they like serving me. I like making sure they’re comfortable in my apartment as if they were a good friend, and allowing them to take off their painful heels and relax while I whip up my favorite foods. I’m not perfect, however. I like to troll these thin women to take just one bite of the delicious chocolate cake I bought in the bakery, and then encourage them to take a second as they protest with the might of their gentle strength. I can’t help that I receive pleasure out of watching them give in to dangerous temptation.

After the dishes are done, either by me or her, I take her to the room and ravage her in a way that always gives me pleasure and sometimes gives her pleasure, and then I welcome her to stay the night even though I know my sleep will be worse off for it. If she wants to leave I will call her a taxi and drop the fare in her pursue in spite of her objections. If she wants to mistake my kindness for weakness, if she wants to misinterpret my Middle Eastern hospitality for insecurity, where guests are treated like royalty, that is fine with me—she can walk out the door and never contact me again. I’m nice to her for the feeling it gives me, not for the feeling it gives her, but in the end the niceness is the same and I feel a good man for it.

These girls do come back again and again to get treated well and pounded well. If you told me five years ago that girls as young as 18 would reward the man who treats them well when modern American wisdom dictates that a woman can never be whole unless she fucks around for many years,  I would have wondered where your time machine was parked. But there is no time machine. This is 2013, and there are still girls who want the nice man that can provide, keep his promises, stand by his commitments, and use smiley faces in text messages.

When I’m surfing the manosphere and read an article on running game on your American wife, I nod my head on the necessity of such an approach, but then that nod quickly turns to pity for the author and his readers, that this is what they must do to maintain a relationship so the women won’t hate him, cheat on him, or leave him in financial ruin. I’m thankful that I can put myself in places where being the nice guy not only gets the girl, but keeps her too, and I only hope that other American men can one day experience the same.

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Days of Broken Arrows
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This also goes for Central American women (can’t speak for South American, sorry).

In college, I dated both European and Central American women and my folks were on my ass about marrying one of them. But did I listen? No. Did I pay the price by marrying American? You bet.

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The same is true of some men in the West,whenever my ex bf (English) came to my place I would be hospitable,serve tea and snacks and give him a massage.I liked to take care of him, but he found it novel,it overwhelmed him.But I am a really soft girl so I could n’t change for him into the English girls he was used to.

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Pretty sad that as the days go by, a growing number of men are completely finished with LTR’s in regards to American women. If I need to constantly be on my toes in a relationship, it ain’t worth. These psychos aren’t relationship material.

MMSL had an article about age differences and how older men must game like younger guys. Is that guy nuts? Why would I expend the effort to keep one? Guess what, I wouldn’t. Life is too damn short to sit around being a tool for any woman. And they are all expendable. Period.

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Very well observed Roosh. Here in Brazil we are reaching an epidemic point of smartphones and feminazism in the best american style, but on the other hand we still have a couple of girls that wasnt touched by the gruesome forces of the femcunts way of thinking.

I like those girls, and i act exact the way you describe on your post. Fuck them if in the end, they think that im acting “nice” because im weak. I dont care, i like to reward good people, and if they will judge me for that, they can fuck off. I dont care.

I think i’ll miss those days on 10 years. Brazil is embracing in full speed the american way, and in a near future mostly of the girls here will be a complete piece o garbage.

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There will always be guys who will end up in non mutual relationships/marriages, I see it on my boss’s desktop image..

Perhaps in the west it really is a competition for the girl worthy of writing home about, and I think it’s worth the effort when I see all the guys who aren’t bothering to enter anyway.

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It’s the end of America and coming soon, all these lonely women who want to be men will soon realise no men want them and they can’t have children. Keep preaching the word.

earl
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I often wonder if I’m living in the worst time in history to pursue a relationship…then I think I’m living in the best time in history to pursue true freedom.

Eisenheim Mindcrusher
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Well observed Earl.

Red Pill Woman
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Great post! I love this! It’s good for women to read as well…we shouldn’t be this kind of woman…we should strive to be like the EE girls you speak of.

Also, sorry to correct you again but I cannot help myself:

“…without her wondering where your balls want.”

Did you mean “where your balls went”?

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It’s a strange world we live in where i find the idea that women somewhere on Earth wont automatically be repulsed and run from a guy being “nice” as the most fantastic and hard to believe thing Roosh writes about. What’s next talk of UFOs and little green space men?

earl
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@ Shameful…

It would seem like A Twilight Zone episode to me.

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Yes I hear you, I couldn’t treat indian or Asian women the same way I would treat a white woman in America because I would feel guilt. American women have dehumanized themselves.

It would be very hard to leave a real woman, because of the guilt it would cause you. THAT is how women can control men, but American women are so stupid they do not understand such a subtle concept.

Not sure if you got my last message, I was suggesting a couple of really nice epic classics from India, really good books, the Ramayana and Mahabharata. Truly epic classics.

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Maybe it is not the country but how you treat them – whore or adore – it sounds like you auto treat American girls like whores so what would you expect lol

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The more time goes on, the more I come to feel like the culture of true feminine women in Eastern Europe is like the Shire in the Lord of the Rings, and that western culture is like Mordor.

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I remember the recurrent thought when I was with Ania in Poland: “This girl is WAY too hot to be this sweet.” I’ve had the same sensation in Hungary and Mexico.

Someday maybe American women will recognize that being feminine brings out the best in us.

But I doubt it.

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They have taken the bridge and the second hall. We have barred the gates but cannot hold them for long. The ground shakes, drums… drums in the deep. We cannot get out. A shadow lurks in the dark. We can not get out… they are coming.

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I think you’re being contextual game denialists. Trying to have a little blue pill comfort and respite. You really think those sweet girls are forever immune to game? Go ahead and be natural and caring. It might even work for years. It will only make it worse when she meets a decent player all those years later, after you have the house and family and retirement accounts to lose and have forgotten how to bang strangers

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Secular western women have degraded themselves to the point where their relationship value is approaching zero. Only a fool would settle with one.

I already know the predominant spoken language in EE but as of right now I’m not willing to move there for a girl, especially since there are arguably equal or better girls in my area. Which come from the same ethno-religious background as me (not muslim fyi). Very feminine, most are virgins before marriage and are more than willing to stay at home to take care of the large family I want to have.
Perfect recipe for the life I want.

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Although men will have a tough time finding any feminine women in the world after all of them have been sullied…either by feminist’s propaganda to create sluts in the west or PUAs deciding to take it upon themselves and build quicker sluts in other countries.

On the one hand I get why you want feminine women for sex…on the other hand you bang them, get rid of them when you tire, and they turn more and more into the thing you hate…a jaded failure of a woman.

That’s the endgame.

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right on roosh. its cool to hear you admit your desire to treat women well. Im the same way, fundamentally good to girls and when i like them, would treat them very well. I think the majority of guys are the same, and the chest puffing alpha hatred/venom is a mask. But im not judging anyone ive been through a 2 year period of hating women…being a douche. Also being miserable and not very attractive. All i want now is to find women who arent corrupted, and who respond normally to a normal mans normal instincts. Which is to lead, protect, ravish..lol.

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Amen, well said Roosh. My experiences with Asian, South American women, and EE women all resonates the same result.

Society bakes the cake we eat.

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nice post, roosh.

treating a girl well and spoiling her is an exquisite delight if you’re not a simp about it. you can do this with some american women, maybe not the ones in DC, but you have to break them psychologically in my experience. the reward is rarely worth the effort since an american girls’ game isn’t tight. the culture doesn’t really allow them to cultivate those alluring feminine charms that make a sound man lose his mind. you, roosh, seem to have so much contempt for them, but the only feeling i can muster is pity.

thanks to a strange combination of militant feminism and remnants of puritanism, the dating environment is poisonous for everybody.

that said, some american girls can and do change when they date a masculine foreign man. of course they’ll never be a WOMAN like what you still find outside the Anglosphere but they can soften.

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19 earl has it right…
The more american that fly over to EE to have 1 or 2 weeks long relationships with those feminine girls, the more americanized those girls will become.

It is similar to what happened when settlers came to the americas and brought those ‘harmless’ diseases along.

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you can bullshit everyone but dont bullshit yourself.
youve been gaming hundreds of women for years yet find it painfully difficult to game just one woman henceforth? no fire without friction, dude.
in spite of the femininity of EE girls somehow you havent found one you’re compatible with.
Its because you have the one fatal characteristic that tends to obstruct it

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Hi Roosh
I am impressed by this post, really!
It fits with my experiences about EE women (and few SE and CE as well).

But now I wonder what kind of horrible demons are the American women…
I have never dated one, so now I am curious.

Too bad there are not many in the UK

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The sad part is, American girls “in the past” were both feminine AND honest, tough women. They made outstanding wives.

EE and asian girls are sweet and feminine but you’ll find that if you marry them, they can be quite a pain in the ass…asian women especially, once they get married, assume that they can become “dragon ladies”. All that submissiveness disappears.

If you can find an old fashioned US girl, they are still the best. But they are one in a thousand now. The other 999 are awful.

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In fact Roosh’s hamster is on full display.

You treat them like princesses because they are feminine and you have guilt when you leave…well that’s nice. You still fornicate with them and then leave them…which is nothing more than treating them like objects for your pleasure. No commitment. Now if she is truly feminine like you say and not your run of the mill American slut…your actions lead her into your bed. That happens to her enough and *BOOM* another man hating feminist is born. Although I’m guessing most women are corrupted by feminism these days that EE chicks only seem more feminine due to less corruption than Americans.

The only difference between a player and a feminist is that a feminist takes it upon herself to be a slut…while a player makes one.

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spot on earl.

but then what’s a man to do?

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Feminists are not created by repeated P&D. The origins of feminism have nothing to do with P&D, nor does modern feminism.

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“I treat EE girls like princesses. My average date is taking her out to dinner, out to drinks, or cooking at home for her. As much as I complain about how Western woman can’t cook, I like serving women as much as they like serving me. I like making sure they’re comfortable in my apartment as if they were a good friend, and allowing them to take off their painful heels and relax while I whip up my favorite foods.”

This is an important point. You’re not a pussy for doing this for a woman. A lot of the community sneers at doing ANYTHING for the pleasure of women, but that’s not it. Do it ONLY for a woman that has already proven herself worthy of it. Don’t do it to try to impress some bitch with the hopes that she’ll reciprocate in some way. That’s the difference.

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@12
totally agree met many foregin girls even some from conservative countrys and i could never pump n dump them(they are wife material even if they are bitchy) or use them the same way like the white girls here. no wonder many migrant guys dont respect these white girls cuz they are such sluts in comparison.
western girls gott too much milage not worth the investment cuz they dont act right

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There´s a saying that goes, ¨Most Alpha males are in prison¨ and there is some truth to it. Most of the guys that follow these types of blogs are betas. I hate to tell you but being Alpha or beta is genetic. You may be able to fool some women with these player techniques even though many of these are beta male strategies. There is nothing natural anymore with American women it´s all image and fitting in with whatever is cool at the moment that matter to them. Get the hell out of America

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Interesting but I still think getting tied down is a mistake for men. Ian Underpants and his bald bastard buddy can prattle on endlessly about “relationship game” but it’s a ridiculous concept.

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Yes! Finally!

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Eastern European women (Ukrainian and Russian for sure; Polish and Czech are much nicer) are much more predatory towards men than western women.
They play a good “demo version” though,much sweeter than Western bitches.This is true.

But than you will be fucked.

Roosh has no experience of long term relationships with an Eastern European and judging from his post I can tell that he has NO clue WHATSOEVER.
One thing is to date a girl another to date 10 of them and having lived with couple.

For example I dated several american women in my life and personally dont understand why are you whining.However,logically I understand that my short term exprience is not representative.

American/Canadian men are not ready for a Eastern European woman.They just dont have enough psychologic stamina and game to deal with the devil himself.

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Roosh, I want to you hate you so much. But I just can’t. Reading your blog feels kind of like listening to that idiot Dr. Laura; I want to smack her until she says something so undeniably correct I want to turn in my lefty-feminist card and friend her on Facebook or something.
I have been a feminist since forever and I can’t find anything wrong with what you’ve written. I agree with most of it.
Fascinating.

[Roosh: Are you cute? Email me pics]

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Roosh too funny, let us know if she is.

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@36 emily

It’s very simple Emily. Just become a 50s-style woman. Drop all the feminist neurotic bullshit and find a man who wants a wife and nice house is the suburbs. Let him beat himself up in the workplace to get a paycheck, then come home and give it to you. You stay home and make cookies for your adorable children. I’m not kidding.

That’s what you gave up when you became a Feminist. Was it worth it?

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Why are all of your post starting to sound like all the beta male post you used to make fun off. I mean here you are bragging about being the nice guy but in the past you always made fun of guys who didn’t use game all day everyday. After being overseas for so long are you saying that game is pointless when it comes to getting a good women or are you just saying avoid american women at all cost?

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Aw this is great :’) Only thing left now is to fall in loooove!

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Yes!

@ emily, i’m a recovering feminist and never have a ever felt more like a woman now that I have all that feminist bullshit out of my brain. Thankfully i did it when I was young enough to change my ways.

This is great, Roosh! Once again, thank you!

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great article roosh.

what’s the solution though?

we can’t all move to EE can we?

doing just that is exactly what destabilises demographically elegant traditionalist paradises. maybe not by the red pill men who enter, but definitely with the oncoming beta schlubs and drunk ass Brits (my wonderful countrymen) that surely follow

if we keep having to move from nation to nation to chase the tail of traditionalist society that may help us in our lifetime, but what does it do for nations of sons that are tossed into a patently anti-man system every step of the way.

my personal opinion is that it should be the secondary goal of every red pill man that desires to have and raise progeny, to make sure his daughters and sisters and anyone else female in his sphere of paternalistic influence learns how to be a feminine lady.

any other option feels like chasing the dying embers of a better time rather than trying to actively secure something better for future sons born into an increasingly crazy world

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Earl, you just went full retard. There is no hamster rationalisation. He has guilt because he was raised in a toxic society, his relational processes are dysfunctional. Outside of that, he wants to have sex, a male doesn’t have to excuse away his libido, he is pursuinig a perfectly healthy goal.

Now objects of pleasre.. sheesh.. you’ll find when consenting adults are naked and in that state, they are mutual objects of pleasure. Only some sort of perverse gender guilt would allocte a woman as a victim here.

And there is more than ‘monogamy forever’ as a form of commitment.

And lastly, feminism has nothing to do with promiscuity, Roosh has wrriten a post regarding a more fervant Catholic Poland being a place wehre women have sex.

Feminism is a culturally marxist phenomenom, is was spawn out of marxism, where the guys convinced the chicks that free sex was equalising, and ‘sexual virtue’ was a petty bourgeoisie constraint.

The female marxists got P&D’d, and have tomrneted us with feminism ever since.

Eastern Europe has rejected marxism, thus by default they have rejected feminism.

Post #39, i would suggest he has acquired more knowledge since his earlier writing. This Alpha/Beta divide is misguided, men are equally capable of success via collaboration and cooperation than competition, and I would suggest Roosh is observing the need to be ‘Alpha’ is reduced in less toxic societies.

You have one conclusion right, avoid American women, wetern woman for that fact. Once you immerse yourself in women of other cultures, a man can only conclude western women are abnormal, there is something considerably faulty with their social conditioning and they are probably deformed forever.

In no way, shape or form are western women anything but the worst option in the world.

Now if she is truly feminine like you say and not your run of the mill American slut…your actions lead her into your bed. That happens to her enough and *BOOM* another man hating feminist is born. Although I’m guessing most women are corrupted by feminism these days that EE chicks only seem more feminine due to less corruption than Americans.

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It’s too bad. I’m extremely attracted to American girls physically, at least the ones who take care of themselves but they just have horrible attitudes. I wish I could find an American girl with a foreign disposition again. I’ve only banged one. She was American but her parents were missionaries so she grew up all over the world. She was extremely feminine and not at all into technology i.e. texting/status whoring. She was a solid 7 and a sweet girl. If I ever get a chance to meet another girl like her I’d be so happy and definitely keep her around for a LTR.

But all I see around me are whores and drama queens. Oh well, gotta practice defiling holes to keep my skill up. Haha

Alpha Mission
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Beautiful sir, truly beautiful. This makes me want to travel to EE, even move there. Time to work up that mobile income stream.

dannyfrom504
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fuck marriage. it’s just not worth it.

one of the things i try to stress on my site is not just getting her in bed, but how to keep her interested.

you know you’re doing it right when a former lass in the harem calls/texts out of the blue that she wants to “see” you. roissy just had a great post about the top 10 signs your relationship is healthy.

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I went to the Hustler club when I was in vegas… I wanted to check it out, it is the hustler club after all. I don’t tip the girls or get dances so I was just chilling at the end of the bar, suited down, when the female bar tender started chatting with me… turns out she was originally from Poland but moved to the states when she was like 11 or something. She was older, probably around 30, but still good looking. I chatted about “my friend” who was living in Poland at the time and how he had great things to say about the local women… sweet, pretty, femenine and all that… much different than western girls. That is when she says “I don’t think that is right… girls are the same everywhere… they just ACT DIFFERENT”… I believe her

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One thing I’ll say for Roosh: he’s one of the few guys in the manosphere who actually likes women.

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I remember one American woman who told me I was treating her like crap while she was used to be treated like princess by American men.She told me American men are taught by their mothers to treat women like princesses.In this case I realized the essence of feminism.Look at me get horny to be under control but you are not allow to touch if you do not succumb to all my rules.

A Balkan individual will never play the game of princessification of women although Greeks tend to boost the women ego.In my opinion the perfect balance exists in slavic societies.The desperate western and Mediteranean men who flow to these societies impress the local women with their off balance actions.

Slavic women continuously cheat and play mind games and are a pain to deal with.Of course the Balkan individual knows that they have an army of lovers who they manipulate on demand.To get this army they simply lower their standards to include men who love them to pieces since they were never given the chance to meet such high caliber women.
There is nothing that can escape the eye of the Balkan individual.Slavic women mostly have their pussy to offer and no property.That is why they make all these ”sacrifices.”If they had property like some Russian women they would never bother with the average Jo of the West or the Mediteranean.

Of course we go to the East for the relief but that does not mean we are naive enough to pedestrialize the slavic women.We are aware of the situation.Slavic women are not naive too.They know exactly what is going on having dated tons of foreigners and comparing them.The meeting point is when the two parts meet thinking the one is more naive than the other pretending naivety making this happen.When the slavic nuclear bomb explodes it will be very difficult for the real naive man.

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Ya good women shouldnt be pumped n dumped espically thoe from tradtional cultre(unless they sluts)….dunno how naughty nomad aka mark zolo can just deflower after deflower each of these quality women an leavin em…..basically turn good women into the very women we hate…..western girls typically are pump n dump but typically nit foreign girls