The Paradox Of Game

Haters of game are usually quick to point out game’s paradox. It goes something like this…

“A major principle of game is not to put the pussy on the pedestal, but that’s exactly what you’re doing when you spend hundreds of hours learning and practicing game.”

I say that I don’t put pussy on the pedestal, but I’ve spent the good part of the last ten years doing everything I can to fuck pussy. How is that not a contradiction? Allow me to explain.

Not putting pussy on the pedestal means not caring whether you fuck any particular girl. You could be a sex-crazed nympho player, but you won’t give a damn if Stacy comes over to your house and decides not to fuck you. You could have quit your job to focus on game full-time, but you won’t care if Jen flaked on you. You don’t care about individual prospects, while caring immensely how to close prospects in general.

I don’t care that Stacy didn’t fuck me, but I will try out new techniques to tighten my bedroom game. I don’t care that Jen flaked on me, but I will implement a new tactic so there’s a low chance of it happening again. Instead of putting pussy on the pedestal, I’m putting my dick on the pedestal by modifying my behavior so it gets what it wants before pussy gets what it wants.

Donald Trump is one of the world’s most famous real estate investors. He knows more about real estate than perhaps anyone else, living and breathing it every day of his adult life. I’m sure he values his real estate business like a father values a son, but if he doesn’t close a particular deal, will he be upset? Will his business empire crumble? No, he chalks it up and moves on to the next deal without losing any sleep. He puts his business on the pedestal, not individual properties. He will not close a deal unless his business benefits from it.

You have to really want sex, more than anything, but not care about the outcome with any specific girl. You have to go out with the mentality of a rabid wolf, but not care if a girl doesn’t like your approach or another girl doesn’t want to kiss you. You must desire the goal, not the girl. Here’s what you must think:

“I really want to fuck tonight, but I don’t care if a girl I approach doesn’t want to fuck me.”

It’s doing everything you can to fuck girls, but not worrying if she doesn’t want to fuck you. It’s a subtle difference that, when understood, gives you the correct vibe to getting laid, of putting out a sexual vibe while not being needy, of being dedicated to your goal while being aloof, of being aggressive but always having the will to walk away. In any bar I’m sure I want to get laid more than anyone, but I walk away from prospects more often than any other guy, a behavior that actually gets me laid more than those guys. This is the paradox of game.

I try hard while seemingly not trying, a balance that has taken me years to master. Until you get there, understand that you must have a strong desire to get laid in order to get laid. You must care about getting laid more than any other guy, but not care about getting get laid with her.

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The Private Man
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It’s all in a man’s frame. This is why it is extremely important to be “pipelining”, having several girls in a flight pattern with the guy as the air traffic controller.

If a girl doesn’t land, there are at least two more in the holding pattern.

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The way I always put it is it’s lame to chase a woman, it’s manly to chase women.

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” I’m sure he values his real estate business like a father values a son, but if he doesn’t close a particular deal, will he be upset?”

In fact, to properly negotiate, you must have multiple deals going on at once.

If you have one deal going, you have no leverage and cannot properly negotiate.

Same thing with girls.

You need to have multiple girl “deals” cooking at once.

Then you have leverage.

– MPM

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you need to start a “SalesForce” program for game prospects like they have for business leads hahaha

Johnny Milfquest
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“You must desire the goal, not the girl.”

That sums it up nicely.

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Roosh man…I needed to hear this. Thanks!

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Second prize is a set of steak knives.

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There is a name for this. It is called “the principal of focused non-effort”. Properly applied, a practitioner may realize virtually any outcome.

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“Not putting pussy on the pedestal means not caring whether you fuck any particular girl.”

Too smart by a half perhaps. It doesn’t matter if you focus on pussy in a retail or wholesale way–you’re still pretty goddamn focused on it. Not that I can complain.

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I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one…

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Not putting pussy on a pedestal means your ego is not invested in it. The pussy is not above you, asking you to qualify yourself. Pedestalizing means you’re working for her, you invest the time to get her working for you.

Time is one of the only valuable things people have, and the more time invested in something, the more that something “owns” a person. So it makes sense to invest that time wisely by doing things that get you what you want.

And really, if you like sex, and women, then why the fuck should you have to qualify yourself to some sour grapes chump when you’re neck deep in pussy?

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This is related to a recent insight I had:

Talking in a detached manner about sex with a strange woman makes you seem sexual. (Eg, the Simple Pickup videos.)

Telling a strange woman you want to sleep with her is creepy, in most circumstances. (Indicating interest in her and in banging her are different things).

The distinction is extremely apparent in online game, where I’d be IMing a girl. Speaking casually about sex makes you seem cool and sexual, while saying you want to bang her puts you in the class of all the online catcallers.

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Roosh. Genius.

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And a hush descends upon the cheap seats…

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This goes for everything in life.. having a bad day or a good day doesn’t matter. What matters is how things look at the end of the month, over the course of the year, etc.

It’s kind of like the movie Groundhog Day. He just gets better at piano with practice, but the individual days are irrelevant.

Same with emotions, being tired, etc. They are not always on your side (helpful to getting you to your goals), so the direct relationship to them must be ignored. Instead it’s better to focus on getting/feeling better in the larger perspective

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I was telling my friend this exact thing. It’s like salesmanship. Salesmen are all after the sale, they’re not particularly desperate for one individual to buy their product. It’s all about units sold at the end of the month.

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The only problem is if girls think you’re being too mechanical.

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This is why I think smart guys should focus their intelligence on managing the macro side of things (what am I doing this month) rather than the micro side of things (what do I say to her?)

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All good Roosh, except for the Trump analogy. Donald’s Trump’s FATHER knew a lot about the real estate business. Donald Trump knows a lot about going bankrupt multiple times (his father bailed him out of the first one) and he also knows a lot about inheriting hundreds of millions of his dad’s dollars.

And if you believe that he has turned that money into billions, I have an airline, and a vodka, and some steaks, and cologne, and designer water, and suits, and ties and shitty celebrity-laden real estate seminars to sell you.

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Some of thats true about Trump but either way he is a master self promoter.

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Alot of guys in the game need to ditch the nerdy vibes they have for a polished player one.that confidence you mentioned comes from playing multiple women .only then will anyone ,pua to advanced players have that “confident “vibe that it takes to adapt a take it or leave it mentality that women are acttracted to.

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“Instead of putting pussy on the pedestal, I’m putting my dick on the pedestal by modifying my behavior so it gets what it wants before pussy gets what it wants.”

Wrong. You’re being delusional and trying to wrap it around a pathetic rationalization.

The anti-gamers have it correct: Any man who wastes so much of his life in pursuit of vagina is in fact worshiping it, pure and simple. Any further explanation to the contrary is being the King-Of-Denial.

You’re also wrong about Trump. He is in fact an idiot who has made really bad decisions in the past and damned lucky he didn’t lose everything, thanks to in part his old man bailing his sorry ass out.

Sorry to be so harsh but your ignorance was begging for a clue batting.

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This post tonight is a great foot note for what happen tonight with my buddy. He invited me to in advance screening, of Boardwalk Empire and Dexter he works for a media company and he had the VIP type of tickets, with food and wine and all that good stuff. So he decides to kind of get bombed, I ate little tasty treats saw the advance episodes and had a good time.

On our way back from the screening of these two cool shows, I saw a young lady standing at a bus stop. We were supposed to wait for the bus ourselves, but it looked like the bus was having some problems, since we saw six Police cruisers rapidly make its way down the street and lights were flashing. So it would be a while, before our bus would come along. I saw a young lady at the bus stop, she was I would say a six, short little thing (am 6’4 so most young ladies are short to me) I was trying to create some ”vibes” interact with her ”game” her if you will slowly but surely. He in his usual non-game mode was not getting it, i suppose I should of winked at him, try to give him some kind of sign, am still not sure he would of gotten it honestly, but I guess it would of been worth a shot who knows right?

So through his whining that he was working tomorrow, I said good bye to the young lady I had just met, without getting a number, since we had barely spoken together for less then 30 seconds really. We started walking and talking, as we were making our way to the subway. I asked him, ”did you not see I was trying to game that girl???” ”Did you not get the vibe???” In typical non player mode and simple simp response he told me ”That girl was not into you, you probably would not have gotten her number.” His response was of course laughable, since there have been times when I have spoken to a girl that literally tells me ”Listen nothing is going to happen between us, we are not fucking, your not my type.” Then one hour later she is properly polishing my knob, and I am slapping her from behind. I explained to him again, I think for the thousand time, that you can’t listen to what a women tells you, you have to take it with a grain of salt and see how they interact with you. I also told him, since I live in the screw face capital of North America (Toronto) that it takes a few moments for the interaction to take place and for the women from down here to warm up to you. In my experience, especially because of my height, you always have to make a woman feel comfortable which takes at least a few minutes of rapport for that to happen, this also will build interest and things to talk about. For example in the brief interaction I had with this young lady, I already knew she was a bleeding heart since she was going to school for social work, I already had in idea or two on what to say and how to approach it, other then my usual friendly game.

I also told him, that am a player, I don’t take it personally if a girl rejects me, or seems not to be into me in the beginning of us talking to each other because guess what folks??? She dose not know me. I am no one to her, am some dude walking on the street, it is dark, and I was at the time in one of the worst neighborhood in Toronto. I even told him, that it is normal for a young woman, to have her defences up, to a stranger that she dose not know, especially at the beginning of him talking to her. Especially in one of the least friendly city, that I have had the displeasure of living in, you should never be surprise at the non friendliness. Bottom line, I told him I kick my game for myself, to stay sharp most of the time as well, and lastly I do not care if a girl gives me the number or those not. If she gives me the number of course it is better, because I get closer to my goal which is to bone of course. I also told him, that as long as woman gives me a chance to talk to her and lets me approach her, I have a chance in getting in her paints. See if your a player, you know that it is always about you. Your needs, etc……… You never care how a woman reacts to your game, your only supposed to care to understand what you need to tweak and what works and what those not for you. Each time to me I speak to a woman, I see it as two fold. I am always doing her a favour, and second like any good sales men every no, gets me closer to a yes. Its just game, don’t ever take it personal.

Peace.

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Probably what most of us really worship is having the seduction POWER called “game”. By understanding the psychology of effectively interact with women the ability of being good at seduction becomes the first part of the thrill, then enjoying the reward of a successful hunt (sex) is the second part of the adrenaline rush … percentage distributions on each of those would vary depending on the individual, but basically both things go together! …. that is what set us apart from those P4P addicted guys, we need the high of seduction!!!

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@25
I think the only type of person that has a womens psychology mastered is a Pimp.
and really Pimps aren’t that Hollywood version we have seen with the elevator shoes and fur trench coats.they have existed for many years thru out history in many different cultures.Bottom line.Im not sure if a PUA is even on the same playing field as some think they are when it comes to true Game.

http://youtu.be/y7WrhU9FFyY

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I’m putting my dick on the pedestal”

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Game is all about a committed, loving, caring relationship.

It’s an LTR between you and Game itself, not any particular woman.

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From the Unbearable Triteness of Hating post at the Chateau:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/the-unbearable-triteness-of-hating/

16. Dancing Monkey Hate

Hater: Men who run game are just doing the bidding of women. Alphas don’t entertain women.

If you want success with women, you are going to have to entertain them… one way or the other. The same is true of women. Once a woman stops entertaining men with her body, her femininity, and her commitment worthiness by getting fat, old, ugly, bitchy, or single mom-y, she stops having success with men. We are all doing the bidding of our biomechanical overlord, and on our knees to his will we surrender, by force or by choice. You fool yourself if you believe you have some plenary indulgence from this stark reality.
Or: If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

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let’s jus’ be friends?

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If that statement were true, most men would have to be considered pedestalizers. Most men pursue pussy one way or another. Some men care to be better at it, and work towards that goal. The ones that claim they don’t put in effort are WISHING they would or could. Show me a man that puts NO effort into getting pussy, I’ll show you a man with a calloused hand, a chafed dick, and a huge porn collection.

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Dude, its not about wanting, its about action.

If you are doing fifty different things and she is just sitting there judging, you are supplicating and putting her on a pedestal. It does not matter if you did not really care if she slept with you or not – although this begs the question, why did you do all those things if you did not care? (obviously, is is illogical and self-cancelling to want sex but not from any girl)

But forget about wanting and logic, and lets focus on what you DO.

If you DO more than the girl, you are putting her on a pedestal, period – whatever you *wanted*.

Maybe you did not want this particular girl, but still, for some utterly inscrutable reason that had nothing to do with wanting her, you still did a ton of techniques to *get* her (even though you did not really *want* her), the inescapable fact is, you supplicated to her.

Two things are obvious here 1) Supplication and pedestalization are actions, not wants 2) It makes no sense to say you did a ton of things to get something but did not really *want* to get it.

Its just a lie we tell ourselves to continue the cognitive dissonance. In reality, if we did a bunch of game techniques, we did it because we *wanted* to get sex with that particular girl. You may not want her any *more* than any other girl, but you obviously want her, period. Otherwise you would not do all that stuff.

Isnt approaching more effort? Sure it is, which is why after you approach it is her job to respond positively. If she does not, and you did anything more, you are supplicating.

*Seeming* to not make an effort while actually making an enormous effort, as in your last paragraph, *is* supplication. She may not know it, although chances are your incongruent behavior will give you away, but you will, on some level of your being, and you will experience diminished self-respect, which will in turn hurt the self-confident state of mind you are trying to achieve to attract women.

Rollo Tomasi – absolutely untrue. What about just being yourself and attracting girls that naturally jive with you? This way you dont *entertain* through any deliberate effort of yours, you simply *are*, and she simply IS entertained by you. It is utterly untrue to say that you have to entertain one way or another – if you mean making a deliberate effort to entertain.

Your statement – and presumably roissys – depends on deliberately blurring the distinction between people being entertained by your natural personality and you making a deliberate effort to entertain others.

Dancing Monkey Hate is really spot on, as far as I can see.

Furthermore, not faking yourself to be liked will make you more attractive, as you will be more *congruent* and normal.

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Tomothy – its not about putting in NO effort, its about not putting in MORE effort than the girl. She has to hold up her end of the conversation/interaction – the concept of it being the mans job to practice *seduction* is demeaning to men.

You give, she gives. Give and take. You do not do more than her, not just dont *seem* to do more than her, REALLY dont do more than her.

Trust me, girls find this attractive!

But if you really DID need to put in more effort than the girl – lets just say you really did need to do that – then we would have to discard the idea that you cannot supplicate or pedestalize women. Its one or the other.

If what she likes matters more than what you like, you are pedestalizing her, you are making her more important than you.

Making we need to do this to get women – but then we need to admit that pedestalizing and supplication are not forbidden.

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We’re starting to get into a philosophical/semantic discussion. I think it’s obvious that in pursuing pussy, men want pussy. As Jive touched on, it’s about how much you’re willing to put into any particular girl before deciding to walk away. I touched on this on another thread here, in that women expect men to initiate, and subsequently carry relationships. Women have this incredible list of qualities they want in men not so much because they are looking for someone that has the same qualities as THEY have, but because they LACK those qualities, and need them in their man. They’re largely incapable of entertaining men, so they need a man with ability to constantly entertain them. When a man “fails” to do this, she’ll claim the relationship has lost it’s “spark,” justifying her fucking a more “exciting” guy.

Men are almost always working harder, and doing more to sustain relationships. The idea of 50/50, or anything close to that is a myth I think. Each guy has to decide if what he’s getting from a woman is enough for him. Just by the fact that as men we need to be the ones dictating the terms of relationships and interactions, we are essentially doing more. But it’s MORE about our needs, and less about hers. Her needs should get addressed ONLY if yours are addressed first. Women are used to it being the other way around, except many of our needs don’t get addressed at all. Every married guy I know will tell you that!

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Timothy, you might be right, but if it is true that you that it is the mans job to do more than the girl to keep the relationship afloat through being entertaining or whatever, then we have to get rid of the idea that women like men of higher value, and that you cant supplicate.

Doing more than she does to get her to stay with you is not the behavior of a higher value person – it is supplication.

So you might well be right, I am not saying you are wrong – but then we gamesters have to start admitting that supplicating to women is the correct thing to do (just not in ways that are different from what we have always been taught), and that the behaviors of high status and high value men (who expect women to entertain THEM and would balk at the idea that it is their job to entertain women) are NOT the behaviors that women find attractive.

I am actually OK with that, I just want to make Game clearer and with less confusions – a clear statement that it is necessary to supplicate to women and avoid certain high status behaviors, but to supplicate in special ways that are not the ways society has always told you to do. This kind of honesty and clarity would go far to making guys less confused about what to do.

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Point taken Jive man. But let me ask this, not just to you, but to everyone. Theoretically, wouldn’t the high-value man be more capable of “entertaining” a woman and holding her interest? He would have the greater resources to take her out, on trips, shopping, etc.? While a man with an outgoing personality, who’s humorous and can make a girl laugh is one form of entertaining her, it will only take man so far.

I imagine some in Game would take issue with the definition you’re applying to the word “supplication.” Some would believe that by doing more and dictating the course of the relationship, they are not supplicating, but CONTROLLING her, and not placing her desires above his own.

I find that even in the online world, this behavior is duplicated. To give a personal example, I have a woman in England that I communicate with. I sent her a message about a British film, and wanted to know if she knew it or had seen it. The film stars Robert Carlyle, who she claims is a personal friend (she was in theatre while attending University in Glasgow, and was an extra in “Trainspotting.” She claims to have dated Ewan McGregor briefly also). She replies that she knows the film, and reminds me of her friendship with Carlyle. She also writes, “I miss you.” I ask myself, WHY? This person knows how to reach me, yet does not initiate, even to simply ask how my week went, or how I’m doing. I must initiate ALWAYS, and she’s not the only one I have to do this with. They’ll reply, “It’s been a while” or something to that effect, but yet they are just as capable of writing me as me writing them. Yet they don’t. Many of their profiles give you little to work with, yet they EXPECT you to continually come up with something to ask them. You’re usually left with “how have you been?” Or you have the women with the private profiles, the “I can see yours, but I get to decide if you can see mine” types. Women love to be in the position of choosing YOU, but don’t want you to be able to decide initially if they’re worth YOUR time or not. Then once they choose you, it becomes your job to maintain communication, or they delete you. Many even state this in their taglines, that if they add you and you don’t communicate, I’ll delete you. They’re attention whores who want to be lavished with cyber-attention, yet have no intention of returning it. When they do return a message, it’s a week later and a two-word answer. I actually saw a site called “HerWay,” which is set up so that men can’t initiate and communicate with women at all. A woman must message you first before you can write or communicate.

I see this as something I have to do, and I have to make the decision on who is worth it and who isn’t. I periodically delete chicks that don’t respond or communicate at all. When I add a new chick, I find one to delete.

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Well, Timothy, sure a rich guy can do those things, but wealth doesnt really make men sexy, in my experience.

Plenty of women like the *strong, silent* type, the terse, laconic male who is sparing with his words and fairly unexpressive, while other girls love the outgoing, charming type. So being *entertaining* does not seem to me to be at all necessary to get a girl. With the wrong type of girl, it can be counterproductive.

I personally know girls who find guys who are witty and charming un-masculine, and I know girls who just love love love that type.

Wouldnt it just be better to find the girls who mesh with your natural style?

The problem is that for someone who is not naturally outgoing to try and do that will come off as incongruent and unnatural, and for a guy who is naturally outgoing to be aloof and distant will come off as equally unnatural, so would it not just be better to find girls who mesh with our natural style?

More than that – when we act out our natural style of personality, we are *congruent* and natural in tone and manner, and this in itself is attractive.

Well, taking control of and dictating the course of a relationship means doing what *I* want, not what *she* wants.

So if I am being outgoing because *I* genuinely enjoy it, then I am not being supplicating, but if I am being outgoing because I think she will like it, then I am hardly taking charge, I myself am allowing myself to be controlled by HER whims and desires.

See what I mean?

What I do, its gotta be because I like it, not because I think she will – if I suppress my own desires in order to fit in with hers, thats by definition supplication.

Now its possible to argue that getting with a girl requires you to suppress your own desires to fit in with hers, but then we would have to admit that supplication is OK. Thats the way I see it, at least.

I just dont see any logical escape from that conclusion, and I think lots of guys stumble over this when learning about game, the contradictory messages.

Well, as for your example with your friend, I would say two things about that. One, related to what I just said above, is that expecting you to do the extra work would be supplication, so if its necessary, then game has to stop saying its not.

Secondly and more importantly, any girl who acts that way is probably not that in to you to begin with, as painful as that might be to admit. Its natural to think that you can *keep* her by giving in to her seeming need for you to do more work, but the truth is in my view that doing so will take a bad situation and make it worse.

In other words, if you take a situation where a girl is not that in to you and respond by trying to get her more into you, she will lose even more respect for you, and be even less into you.

Thats the cath-22. If a girl is not that into you, trying to make her into you will only make her less into you, even if you *pretend* that you are not doing so.

It comes from our desire to have completely control of the situation (outcome dependence) – this desire can actually make us weak by leading us to act in ways that lower us in an effort to *keep* the girl.

Its best just to let the girl go and find other girls who are into you from the get go.

So I think your plan of finding the girls that dont pull that shit t be excellent – good luck!

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I think regardless of what your “natural” personality or style is, a man still must initiate and cultivate relationships with women, even the strong, silent type. If any man simply sits and waits for the right woman to “find” him, he’ll be waiting a long time. While I think we’re born with certain aspects of our personality, throughout life we do make certain adjustments, or changes in our behavior to achieve certain goals we wish to achieve, or change what we might consider to be a negative result. This behavior becomes who you are. Most of us aren’t the person we were when we came out of the womb. The premise that “there’s someone out there for everyone” has some truth theoretically, it still requires a man to put himself out there to make things happen. “Just be yourself” is a popular maxim, but sometimes YOU aren’t interesting, and have little to offer.

I think you’re interpreting entertain too literally, but for the sake of explanation, as a man you are expected, at least initially, to take the lead and make plans, etc. Women expect this. On occasion, you will need to make plans to do something she likes, but you don’t care for. If your goal is simply to get the bang quickly and not “date” per se, it won’t be a concern. Any man that doesn’t on occasion pick up the phone (to either talk or text) won’t be seeing that girl for long. It isn’t about stepping outside yourself to keep her, but simply interacting normally with someone you’re interested in for whatever reason. If the phone isn’t your thing, this woman will hopefully learn that you aren’t going to call as often as she does, but your actions while you are together will have to compensate for that.

As for the women I communicate with online, they’re internationals, so I’m merely maintaining friendships and communication in case I end up visiting their countries. I have no expectations (though I have every intention of trying to fuck when I’m there…HA HA!), and was merely illustrating certain behavior I’ve found common in women in general with regards to expectations of men.

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Timothy,

1) Yup, guys should initiate. But if she doesnt respond, and you continue, you are supplicating. An easy rule of thumb is – 50/50.

2) You say YOU just might not be interesting – according to WHOSE interpretation? Some random girls? Why should her judgement matter more than my own? If who I *am* is something *I* like and enjoy being, then changing that to suit some girl is supplication. Of course, if *I* dont like who I am, then sure, I should make an effort to change what can be changed.

But the key point is that it has to be because *I* dont like who I am, not because some girl might or might not. I am not against change, I am against change in order to suit some girls idea of what you as a man should be.

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These posts are getting epic. I feel like this is sage-level advice about banging girls at this point.

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I was just thinking they’re getting too abstract and general, and too far away from specifics. “Just be yourself” means “don’t be artificial” or “don’t be awkward” or “don’t be nervous.”

Naturally if you’re not interesting from the girl-of-the-moment’s point of view, she’s not going to be interested. What are going to DO or SAY to interest her? If you want to interest girls generally but not any girl in particular, then you can do things that interest some but not all. But interest only yourself, and where will you be? Let’s not veer into solipsism or self-righteousness here. Or are you going to tell me that if you interest yourself, then that just HAS to interest a decent number of girls too?

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Or not.

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I agree with Roosh. My genes and the fact that I’m a man have put “pussy on a pedestal” for me. But I don’t put any particular pussy on a pedestal. One’s an inevitable evolutionary draw, the other is my personal choice. Big difference.

the conversation between Timothy and Jive
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should be eternalized in some thread in Roosh Forum.

Rich dialogue.

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I’m thinking of the statistical underpinnings to this *apparent* paradox. A few components might be:

a) Quality effect: probability of individual success increases with quality of game technique (even if aloof), which requires engaging more females in order to polish that quality. (also: leverage effect is a component of quality)

b) Sharpe ratio effect: investing less into each prospect and “trading” more often increases the Sharpe Ratio of your strategy (expected return divided by variance of returns). This is the basis of HFT (High Frequency Trading), i.e., engaging in positive (albeit small) probability trades more often delivers a higher Sharpe than focusing on fewer trades where each has higher expected return. Traders make money on Sharpe and *not* on the return expected from every trade.

c) Parallel effect: if succeeding in one approach has probability P (from 0 to 1), then parallelizing this to N approaches will give you a higher expected return of Sqrt(N)*P (notice the return grows sub-linearly). There’s a derating effect to this though: Because our waking hours and mojo are limited, there’s an optimal N that fits into our waking ours / lifestyle / sanity. I’d bet Noptimal < 10.

Thoughts?

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Your still defining yourself, personally and professionally, in female terms. Your entire life appears to revolve around being attractive to women. This is not empowering.