The Problems With Teaching Men How To Find A Wife

I recently read an article by Michael Perilloux titled How To Catch A Wife, the latest example of how modern game teachings have impacted traditionally-minded men. Unfortunately, I believe Perilloux’s advice falls short in helping men actually find a wife.

I have my first kid on the way with my beautiful traditional wife. I’m blessed to have her, but our relationship was not a lucky accident.

A few years ago, I decided I was going to get married. So I did. I made plans, restructured my life, and developed the relevant skills. It worked.

His declaration of victory is premature. With a short courtship, rapid pregnancy, and a bun still in the oven, he may still be in the honeymoon phase of his marriage, or at least in the phase where major differences, such as with child-rearing, have yet to surface. I do hope his marriage is successful, but we should not give much weight to the article’s initial demonstration of authority. There are many divorced men who would not have reported problems to you during their ex-wives’ first pregnancy.

The first problem men have is “Naïve Romanticism,” which is the belief that you can just cruise through life, relax, and not worry about getting married, and “the one” will come along at some point and sweep you off your feet like some kind of romantic comedy.

I don’t know a single man who has that problem. If anything, it’s the problem of women. Men hesitate towards marriage today simply because there are more downsides than upsides in getting married. With the abundance of free sex, casual relationships, digital entertainment, and urban fun, there is no advantage in marriage unless you specifically want to create a family, and that comes with the knowledge that the state is ready to destroy you through punitive family laws. Men are abstaining from marriage because of rational choices, not idealism.

You know what else is unromantic? Dying alone with no children.

The fact is that this is the most important problem in your life. You need to take it as seriously as your professional career, starting a business, or planning an invasion.

The only downside he mentioned of not getting married is dying alone. This is a fear shared by many, but the problem with a fear like this is that to avoid it, you rush into flawed actions and make decisions that cause the fear to own you.

If I fear dying alone, and catch my girlfriend or wife cheating when I’m in my 30’s or beyond, I’m more likely to make the disastrous decision of keeping her, nearly guaranteeing I’ll be cucked again. A better approach is to accept your fears and then make the choice that serves a positive gain to your existence instead of one that merely avoids a negative pain.

Our ancestors lived in a very different society. They had homogeneous, high-trust communities where their neighbors were of the same class, folk, faith, and social circles. They all grew up together, went to church together, and were well-integrated in a social fabric where everyone knew each other. As a matter of course, every young man knew multiple eligible girls who would make good matches. The parents, friends, busybody old women, tradition, and random happy circumstance would conspire to make successful marriage almost automatic. Naïve romanticism was a perfectly adequate strategy in such an environment, because marriage was supported by such a powerful social machine, which no longer exists.

Perilloux is correct that the path of least resistance in the past was marriage. In other words, the social structure was such that a good wife would land on your lap from having a full-time job, or even merely the intent to have one. You didn’t have to date, learn game, go to the gym, step up your banter, be cocky, and so on.

A society is healthy if creating a family is the default mode of relationship structure that is also rational for men to do. Marriage has its problems, but the alternative back then of not getting married had far more downsides, especially in a climate that was not as promiscuous or as welcoming of the eternal bachelor lifestyle.

One reason why marriage was such a good deal was because you didn’t have to study game, fitness, and psychology and then apply that learned knowledge through hundreds of hours of work just to get into a meaningful relationship. If you have to do this work today to get married, and the sword of Damocles is hanging over your head through an anti-male culture with full court backing, does marriage still become a low friction endeavor? It doesn’t, so Perilloux has no choice but to apply an achievement model to his hunt for a wife to make it happen in a degenerate age.

To replace naïve romanticism, we need the fundamental masculine skill of life in the real world: the will and confidence to take a problem seriously and deliberately figure out how to solve it. You can sit down and think this problem through, come to an understanding, make plans, and reason things out. This is the only way anything real ever gets done.

In throwing out naïve romanticism, which is a fundamentally passive strategy, it is useful to have a much more active and high-agency model to work from.

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Modern women also have all kinds of little psychological blocks that will derail your chance at marrying them, unless you go in with an iron will to bust through all their silly resistances and win them. My own courtship, for example, was full of rocky uncertainty, resistance, and lack of will on her part. It wouldn’t have happened if I hadn’t disregarded all that and put my will into making it happen.

To find a wife, Perilloux urges us to treat it like a business by being goal-oriented and transferring will and energy into the task. I’ve used my will in the past to do things I dreamed of when I was younger, such as quitting my job, traveling to dozens of countries, expatriating from the United States, and bedding many women, all of which were more-or-less individualist crusades, but I’m hesitant to use that same process to find a wife.

As a man, I can surely hunt and work for what I desire, but relationships are different in that you want a woman to put in as much investment and will of her own. The more she’s invested, the more likely she will stay. If I put in full will, and she puts in less than me, it’s inevitable that I will feel underappreciated and become fatigued as she coasts or takes advantage of my efforts, which will not be easy to maintain indefinitely.

Just like when launching nuclear missiles, two officers have to turn their key simultaneously, and outside of being a leader and fulfilling the masculine roles of the relationship, I do not believe a man should do all the work in maintaining it, which I suspect Perilloux is doing. How do we know that his wife is just going along for the ride because he makes it so easy for her? What happens if he gets tired, sick, or has employment difficulties? Will his wife stay with him?

We don’t know the home situation or the type of challenges his wife puts him through to be convinced of his method, which seems to reduce the investment the female has to make for the singular goal of getting a wife. We also don’t know what other sacrifices he has made. The costs will simply be too much for most men, especially those who are not convinced that marriage is the most rational choice to make, such as myself. Men who took the red pill can’t simply pretend they don’t know the true nature of women and the societal odds stacked against them to perform Perilloux’s mission.

People often don’t keep their eye on [the] fundamentals and become confused with ideas about true love and such. But love is a side-effect, not a fundamental. If the fundamentals are good, love will come. If the fundamentals aren’t good, love won’t help. Consider the outcomes of arranged marriages, where the families set up marriages with good fundamentals without regard for love. They are very stable, and they end up in love anyways.

Good luck convincing the modern woman that love is a side effect! It’s not just Hollywood that pushes romanticism but the entirety of the West, and that has been going on since the 18th century. You are simply not going to get the average woman to adopt the practical standards of Indian women who get into arranged marriages, for example, and if you do find one, none of your tactics mattered anyway because she was already primed to be with a man for practical reasons.

It’s not that Perilloux convinced his bride to be practical about love, but that she was already convinced, perhaps from being raised in a more traditional environment. For most men who live in urban areas, these traditional women are wholly out of reach, so I suspect Perilloux lives in a smaller town.

Odds are you are reading from a mega city like London, New York City, and Toronto, so I’d have to urge you to move to a smaller town, get a new job, or drastically change your environment and habits to essentially become a new person for the prospect of finding a wife to be responsible for who, odds are, has a 50% chance of kicking you to the curb at some point. That’s an impossible sell.

When it comes to finding a wife, the problem is not one of game or standards, but societal: there simply are not enough traditional women to go around for men currently living in urban environments that tip the balance of marriage from being irrational to rational. Sure, if I move to a specific area, join the church, and give value to the community, I’ll probably find a wife, but upending your life for a goal means the goal steers you, now and for the entirety of that marriage. I can’t in good faith urge men to make drastic life changes beyond matters of general self-improvement or taking a two-week trip to Brazil.

In the past, men didn’t have to upend their lives to find wives, and the likelihood of divorce was far lower. Why should I make more sacrifice for less potential gain? While I definitely see the value in having a family, and would be open to being a father, the woman and situation has to be just right for me to take such a huge risk in today’s climate. Telling me and men like me to essentially “man up and get married” is not going to cut it.

Perilloux’s article shines when it comes to evaluating a girl based on her wifely standards:

Is she feminine and traditional? You want a traditional woman who acts like such. Many “anti-feminist” women don’t practice what they preach, so watch out. She should feel comfortable taking the feminine role in marriage.

Is she a virgin? You don’t want the kind of girl who did a lot of “partying” before “settling down”, you don’t want the baggage, you don’t want her thinking of you as her retirement, and you don’t want the spectre of those other men haunting your marriage.

Does she have good domestic and family skills? Can she keep house, cook, clean, deal with finances, decorate, host, sew, fix, and so on? Is she good with kids? Is she comfortable and happy doing these tasks?

Does she want to be a wife and mother to lots of kids? Women can be hard to convince. Big bonus if she already wants a big family.

Does she believe in traditional marriage and oppose divorce? There will be times when she doesn’t like you anymore. For the marriage to work, she has to be committed anyway, because she believes in marriage. Make sure she’s committed to the idea of marriage itself, not just to you.

Not surprisingly, no girl I’ve been in a relationship with has hit on all of his points. I have standards that I believe are optimal, but in reality they are unrealistic if I can’t find it “in stock” at the marketplace. While it’s an encouraging sign that traditionalism is emerging as a new counter-culture, that change will be too slow for men who are in their late 20’s or beyond to hope and wait. Many will miss the fatherhood boat, most likely including myself, but our experiences can at least aid men of future generations.

The most flaccid portion of the article is when Perilloux attempts to share how to meet a wife, a pressing urge for men who are already well-versed in game and know what they’re looking for.

Social proximity. You need to maximize the number of good women in social proximity. The more good women moving through your social network, the better. This means changing your lifestyle, social circles, and activity level. Some places are going to be much better than others; search for the places and social circles with the most good women. Good traditional churches, hobby groups, friend circles, parties, family networks, charity organizations, where you live, even dating apps. Whatever you have or can get should be used.

Spotted. You need to keep an active lookout for good women, so that you actually notice them. You’re screening for the more visible factors: is she pretty, is she young, is she feminine, how does she dress, is she of your people, how does she carry herself, does she look virtuous, what does her social interaction look like, who is she associating with?

That’s the extent of his advice, which may have as well been cribbed from the Art of Manliness. He missed a great opportunity to share how he met his wife and what the process was like, but instead kept it so general that it gives little in the way of action items. I’m forced to guess that he met his wife at church for her to hit all the traditional notes.

A few months ago, I started researching churches in my area, not to meet women but to put myself in a more spiritual environment. I also researched local ways to volunteer to help others, since my stay-at-home internet job doesn’t put me into contact with many people. I haven’t yet pulled the trigger, since I fell back into old game habits after a recent break-up, but if inserting myself into these environments puts me into contact with traditional women, and getting into relationships with them becomes a rational choice with little friction that is encouraged by my most immediate surroundings and society at large, I would certainly pursue it.

However, I will not attempt Perilloux’s “will to power” strategy because I’m too red pilled to put on the blinders for a singular goal that I’m not absolutely convinced is worth it in the end, no matter how open I am to fatherhood.

I also know firsthand that will alone is not enough, and will lead to easy-come-easy-go scenarios where things flag off if my will is reduced, like is so often the case when meeting a girl through cold approaching. This isn’t to say that I’m not willing to put in work, but as I’ve painfully learned, it takes a village to maintain a relationship, because even if I do everything right, things can still go south.

If these times make it too sick to create a family through rational means then I won’t create a family, though I would certainly wish the likes of Perilloux luck and observe from a distance to see how he created his marriage safe space away from the evils around him.

In the end, we have to be careful about taking advice from men who have a sample size of one marriage. It’s easy to create rigorous models for game because you can develop your theories from sleeping with hundreds of women and tease the patterns from that, but you can’t have more than one successful marriage. There is just too much variance between one man and another when it comes to such an advanced goal, which is why I think we will never have solid information on finding a wife in a dying civilization. This is a problem that you’ll have to figure out on your own, assuming you even want to.

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>>> “My own courtship, for example, was full of rocky uncertainty, resistance, and lack of will on her part.”

Divorce. Period.

I am not a huge practitioner of Game aside from better and deeper understanding (and acceptance, key) of female nature. What I have experienced in my very limited time with women is that if there is any resistance at all… she is not interested. I am not talking about the short term “he must catch me” or “what will he do if I do this” kind of expected flirt and dance that both sexes engage in. I am talking about sustained, continuous, repeated and always returning need to “convince” a woman to be with you, as the quote above screams loudest. The author may think his “will” to marry was what got him a wife and a child on the way, but more than likely this was the scenario.

She was single, limited in dating experience (not cock carousal, but in no way a virgin), who was still trying to live the life of Ms. Independent and on the hunt for Mr. Big (in her mind). Along comes this guy who she DID have some attraction to, but not a whole lot (as you and the author both make clear in the dating market and how it has changed). So he persisted. She said yes for whatever reason (attention being the most likely) and found she was in a relationship she does not feel SHE CHOSE (key in the marketplace today in the minds of most western women). She started to have some doubts, looked around, felt afraid of going back on the market (most women DO settle, far more so than men) and made a BUSINESS LIKE decision (for that is what love is to a female in 9/10 cases) to “give this guy try”.

It sounds almost verbatim to my sisters courtship with her husband. She even phoned me at one point when the pressure to marry was on (he had asked and she NEVER talks to me)… so I asked her “Do you think you could find another guy?” Her answer “Yea, probably.” (most women know they have options, the just don’t like the quality of the options they have). She married. Ten month old is amazing (a full decade AFTER the wedding pushing 35).

The relationship should work. Our home was very puritanical (sex was never discussed) and my sister took to heart the lesson to not pass herself around, but I know there is an undercurrent that this guy was “just there” and “persisted” and she ended up “married”.

I would add to his list (short and sweet as it is, it is a list I am using for this is not Game and sex, but marriage and commitment) one more item (to an already impossible list to check even one off) – like my sister, her parents must be married. Ideally BOTH her parents parents must also still be married.

Is this what the author found? He may have a good marriage, but it will be a henpecked one. The woman who does not marry the man she wants, but does not want to divorce, will assert her power by being the authority in the house, as my sister is doing. She will forever be negative for no reason that he is aware of, nor she.

It all comes down to who wants it more. As long as the male wants marriage more than the female (as is the author’s case), I think you are in for a world of pain and hurt, both legally and emotionally.

This is not to take away from the main argument of his piece… that to find a wife, get married, and have a family SHOULD be taken more seriously and engaged more willfully, but like you…. I find the RISKS compared to the reward are just too great. Open, willing, looking… but cautious to the nth degree that might make marriage never happen for me.

In the end… we ALL die alone, just as we came into it.

Yes, our parents where there in the beginning, but each of us come out a whole, single individual, and we leave the world in the same way. Having children is a blessing, not a requirement, of living and surviving. One should never have children JUST to have a family and avoid dying alone. What you turn away from in fear the most is what ends up finding you anyway I have learned. Like you, I hope this turns out well for the man, but if he has to blog about making a wife and family happen, I wonder just how long the marriage will last.

If I ever find a woman and get married with expectation to start a family… my blog… even if it gets as big as ROK… would disappear overnight. Whatever help men found in reading my words to that point would have to suffice. I would never blog about my personal family life, of my wife and children. I would return to private life as best I could (assuming I am no longer Maximus) and live as God intended, focused on my wife and family and enjoying the blessings of both with full, 100% attention and gratitude.

We each have to walk our own path. If one trusts in God, than marriage or no, you will know what is, is what was meant to be and for your own good, we just don’t have the wisdom yet to understand.

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>>> “My own courtship, for example, was full of rocky uncertainty, resistance, and lack of will on her part.”

> Divorce. Period.

Agreed. Perilloux has it completely backwards. The woman has to want marriage *way more* than you do for a marriage to have any chance of success. And even then, the chances of success are slim. But if the man wants marriage more than the women? It will either end in divorce very soon or you can look forward to years of being a supplicating doormat.

Marriage has always been a female-centric institution. Even to this day, just take a look at a magazine stand. Look at the thickness of those Bride mags. They are geared towards women and are the size of a small telephone book. Is there any equivalent for males? Of course not. Marriage is a lottery win for women and (generally) a burden for men. That is why men throughout the ages had to be bribed with some form of dowry.

The two times I came close to marriage both of my then girlfriends were practically on their knees begging for me to marry them. For one of them I *almost* took the bait. She was a pretty amazing woman. But the damn risks of modern marriage just didn’t make any sense to me whatsoever. So I had to let her go.

I can’t fathom how any sensible man could possibly take the reverse position – trying to *convince* a woman to marry them. That is a complete perversion of human nature. A total perversion that will not end well.

Just my two cents.

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Total perversion of human nature brother; you said it. Women are presenting themselves to me now and I will meet their families and judge by that.

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Nailed this part “(for that is what love is to a female in 9/10 cases) to “give this guy try”. << a try, consider that as reality across the board. Way back, maybe 2004-05, before totally bitched out, Men's Health magazine had a pretty good description of how the female mind works vs. the male mind in regards to relationships. The man's is like an upside down pyramid, his relationship with his LTR, wife, ect on the bottom block standing on it's tip, every other major component of life on top. The relationship fails, everything on top comes toppling down. Some of the blocks on top are job/career, family relations, guy friends and the patriarchal connection, physical activities, hobbies… all go to shit.

Females however, it showed a small city block with similar-sized buildings. Each one was labelled i.e.: Girl friends, Exercise Class (gym time), Children, Family, Shopping, Spa Day, Social Group, Boyfriend (Husband/LTR). It concluded that literally shopping time, or exercise class, or spa day was equivocal to their very husbands. Mind you this was written by a well seasoned psychologist. Fellas, you're just another stop in their minds, even if you've had 5 kids and been married 40 years. That will never, ever change unfortunately.

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Esther Vilar says you’re not even that.

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You are correct… if you’re not the prize. There is tension you must build in your LTR. She must never be allowed to see you as anything other than someone she MUST compete for. See Immutable Law of Poon # 6 & 7. No woman wants a man no woman wants.

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Who cares what they want.

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If you wish to attract a woman, much less keep her, she needs to believe other women want you. You must be VERY new to game.

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No man should allow his relationship with a woman or women to be the cornerstone of his life. I get it that that’s how many men actually do it, but it’s a totally flawed approach.

For most men, the cornerstones should be career, fitness, investments, and continuous self improvement.

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Beautifully stated

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Have you thought of volunteering in a nursing home? Lots of wisdom there and really puts your life in perspective.

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True. I spent a few years doing that. It’s all fun and games having no kids until you hit old age. I sincerely recommend shooting yourself in the head before ending up alone in a rest home.

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I toured one once for respite and decided I would drop my mom off at her sisters instead or call my list of extended family members before I would ever put her in one. My long-term care plan for me is to get a tattoo on my chest when I’m 50 stating “do not resuscitate” just so it’s clear to the attending and no organ donation because I want them to actually do their job. I just have to figure out the kid part.

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You’re totally deluded if you think having kids is going to keep you out of a nursing home.

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I am not saying that all people who have children don’t end up in nursing homes. I’m not that stupid. I suspect you’re not stupid enough to really think that I meant that, but if you are let me know and I’ll try to write something simple enough for you to understand.

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I thought that I had understood your point, and I assumed that you would understand my point and did not suspect that you would take my remark as a personal assessment of your mental condition. Maybe you’re not as clever as your response to hand_drill made you seem.

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Try to avoid phrases like “you’re totally deluded” if you want a better response in the future. Makes it sound like you’re looking for a fight.

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I wasn’t, at all. It was intended for the idea in general that wife and kids means someone will take care of you when you get old. I probably should have replied further up the thread than to you directly. I guess it was just laziness.

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No worries. What I meant in case it was unclear is that if you have kids and manage to get some of them to like you, old age is going to be much more pleasant. That should be obvious though. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen greater suffering than in the childless old people at the nursing home where I used to work.

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And to add to this fine article: if there is no goal of having kids, either by lack of desire, too much “can’t bring a kid into this world” brainwashing from mainstream media (while the hordes reproduce like rabbits – all planned and done on purpose to replace you) or being too old, then there is no reason to get married at all.

Those of you who bachelored too long might find your shelf life expired. The “I’ll just get a young bride” thing is not going to cut it unless you are very rich and making some heinous plans around it. Lots of fellows spewing that self-deception like I see boomers saying they hope to hit the lottery as their retirement.

And for fellows not rich nor not very bright, the “young bride” usually comes from some other country where their main export is people, and of course an entire extended family who wants to use her as a bridge to Amedica.

Finally, the biggest problem of marriage is that you have no idea how it’s going to turn out. That is, she might be “traditional” now, but Eddie Murphy was right. I have seen this happen in certain yet subtle ways unlike the way Eddie puts it, but it still happens. “America” gets into her, and then you are done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIwpypavI4o

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I wouldn’t mind dating a 25-28 y/o (still a solid decade younger than me), but they’re so fucked up from their baggage and carousel riding that I rather just go it alone if I can’t find the “young bride.”

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2 decades for me.
Only thing left to do is sacrifice for the young bucks. A company of men – wolfhounds perhaps – on a mission, and no “kids to think of” and no woman clamoring for “a normal life”.
This is why the system shits itself at the idea of the “Fight Club Generation” (Gen X really) actually meeting. The civilization that Tyler wants to destroy was never truly a western one.

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Canadian women from Toronto are not the feminist witches that you
describe them as. I’m dating a very hot 34-year-old Canadian woman from
Toronto.

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The exception proves the rule

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Nearly 99.99% of Toronto-born women are fucking misandric, pro-homosexual, feminist fucking shysters….No exception to the rule….Toronto women want American men for their Green Card to infect the USA with their feminist decay cancer they spread in Canada.

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Toronto chicks froth at the mouth at the idea of dating a New Yorker.

SpartacusRex
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Word

Stephen Crane
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Susan Brownmiller (look her up, if you’re not aware of her) infected an entire generation.

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I met my first Toronto girl last year after years of hearing how awful they are on ROK. Sure enough, she was a total bitch.

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How old are you in relation to this woman? Has she shown any feminist traits?

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“MIKE” IS ANOTHER STEPHANIE GUTHRIE OR MANDI GRAY FISHING FOR ANOTHER
MALE VICTIM FOR THEIR FEMINIST SHIT IN TORONTO. FUCK STEPHANIE GUTHRIE
AND MANDI GRAY FUCKING LYING TORONTO WOMAN FUCKING FEMINIST MISANDRIC
WHORES!!!!!

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>34 year old

Dude, she HAS to behave now, she’s ancient.

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Hahaha

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Dude she’s 4 years (at least) past the wall. Of course she’s playing nice…. now;)

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I’m a few years older than you Roosh, and I’m at the point where I don’t even give a shit about fucking, but rather prefer to, if the situation presents itself naturally (like at a cafe) where I chat up younger women in their early twenties. I have no intention of fucking them, but It’s just nice to be looking at younger women who do not have thousand cock stare. It’s nice to be chatting up young women who still have that fresh smile of getting started in life, seriously. Conversations with these young gals are always more pleasant – ranging from silly-campy to at times giving useful life advice.

Spinsters past their prime have obvious wear and tear in their demeanor, and always the conversations eventually reveals their miserable choices in life; and what man wants to hear that shit?

I am aware, however that these same young hotties will eventually succumb to the cancer of the west, and that the aged, tattooed, disease ridden females are merely the future of said young hotties. Nonetheless, I want to at least, for the duration of my time alive would like to surround myself with aesthetically pretty things to look at, and not subject myself to the lament of brawds who whored it up their whole lives.

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Yup. I’m middle-aged and simply going for pure physicality. I’m working towards having no psycho-socio-cultural needs from women anymore. Pure physical fascination. Health. Smell. That’s why I live overseas.

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The sad thing is that a lot of the women who are jumping on the traditional band wagon are exactly like how you described them; approaching the expiry date while being used up.

There is no way in today’s society an attractive 18 year old girl who is high off of the party life is going to decide she wants to settle down.

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“There is no way in today’s society an attractive 18 year old girl who is high off of the party life is going to decide she wants to settle down”

Exactly.

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I’m basically your age and there’s a dichotomy–dating the really young ones is difficult (the culture doesn’t really allow it in the US, and doing it abroad requires a long time commitment, amongst other sacrifices–you really have to go rural and stay there for a month for a good chance to meet a high quality girl abroad).

Dating the mid 20s girls is really mentally distressing. While we sometimes exaggerate some of the acts of “women” on this site, we probably underestimate what a 23 year old has done. The younger they are, the more extreme things they have done, and the earlier they have done them.

I have maybe 3 friends who are all currently dating women age 40+. One even married a 40+ year old without kids. While I can’t do it, I understand why they are. For a guy who isn’t going to leave the US, the youngest hottest ones are off limits to them. The mid 20s girls are INSANE and these are generally good guys that can’t handle the baggage and promiscuity that comes with them. A 40 year old chick is, if nothing else, at least from a more sane time, likely raised by two married parents, and behaves better, treats them well, and, well, I don’t want to think about it any further than that. A.V. Yaders article on banging 30 year olds terrified me.

Feminism has destroyed a generation of women to the degree that the best option for many men is to marry a 40 year old. This is a fact.

The easiest outcome would be to head east and start a family there in the next few years. You can find 18 year olds who would welcome a 50 year old husband. But I have never been to the east and am much more a latina man than asian. At least the asian culture is conducive to marriage and family, which is THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR. I’ll probably visit soon and see if I could handle living there.

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“Feminism has destroyed a generation of women to the degree that the best option for many men is to marry a 40 year old. This is a fact.”

[Laughs] No, this is projection.

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He may not be saying it’s a good option, but the best option—of a set of bad options. (Though I think there are still other options, I can see where he is coming from.)

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Unfortunately, the women interested in green cards can be quite good liars—a month (or 3 years) may not be long enough to figure out if they are genuine.

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Of all the foreign women I have dated, ZERO have wanted to come to the US. Even when I offered them tickets. Hell, one lived in a dirt floor apartment with concrete block walls and rather than accept my plane ticket, wanted me to move down there with you.

If you are dating high quality (read: moral, caring, feminine, loyal, loving) women, they recognize the US culture for what it is and want no part of it. I didn’t know this at first, but today, if I met a foreign girl who easily agreed to come to the US, that would be a huge red flag.

I think most of those are the second world girls–they have had a taste of feminism and consumerism and want more.

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The problem is determining that a girl is “high quality” when the low-quality ones are good actresses.

Also, I’m not surprised that Eastern girls are uninterested simply in coming to the US. They are interested in coming to the US as a wife. The question is if they are interested in coming to the US as a wife because they love you or because they want the green card.

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They also should just not want to leave their HOME. A classic feminine way of thinking/living.

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The solution there is to move permanently to wherever it is you want to look for a woman, and when you find her, don’t ever apply for a green card for her — ever.

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That sounds like good advice. Alas, my job and my family are here.

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I am 57 Roosh so I probably won’t live to see this come to fruition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOTUPOwsA2A

You might if you are late ’30’s or so; “marriage” as we understand it would go the way of the dinosaur if true aging postponement/reversal comes into being. Just a bunch of perpetually “young” guys like you gaming the same kind of “young” women. Very few virgins (because of the lack of very many children) around, can’t see allot of marriage (at least exclusively monogamous) going on.

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Western culture is shot to shit when even middle class girls start dating before their teens and lose their virginity at 14 or younger. (Maybe the 14 year mark is being generous.) When a young woman has dated so many males, even if she doesn’t have sex with most of them, she still becomes damaged. It’s like the Tinder effect, she will always think she can do better, because society as a whole will not shame her.

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Correct.

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Look into Catholic women, maybe. My wife was still a virgin when I met her at 27 years old. She’s by far the most emotionally and mentally stable woman I’ve been with too. Aren’t you in Poland? Seems like there should be a few good Catholic girls out there.

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I believe we made our choice years ago. If we really wanted to be married, we would have taken the necessary steps. Unfortunately, the odds are stacked so far against us, that as time goes on, it seems increasingly impossible.

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i did get married, gal banged some other dudes while I was away on army stuff… so I ended that.

but the increasingly impossible part, still true

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Yeah but what 25-28 yo girl is going to want a middle-aged walking STD who runs a “men’s interest blog”? Turn it around: would you be interested in a radical feminist slut who is 48 years old and has been riding the cock carousel for years? I don’t think so.

Dumb skanks might sleep with you, but no decent girl will ever marry someone like you. Deal with it.

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Here’s how I always imagine a conversation with my busty, young Slovenian wife (after a year of living near Seattle);
“Who are dese…how you say….’nerds’ wit dee big house and dee big boat?’
“Oh, they work for Microsoft or Amazon and they make a lot of money with their technology skill.”
“But dee house is soooo beeeeg!”
“Yes, well….”
“Their wife must be so beautiful. So much more beautiful than me.”
“Uh, um…no. Their wives are nearly all fat.”
“What? Really?…..Hmmmm…..”
Now imagine the vindictiveness of a spinster/divorced feminist divorce court judge who sees middle-aged men who marry (trafficking!) young overseas brides as a far, far worse human being than any serial killer ever.

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I find it amusing that in our fallen age of “love wins,” the one type of discrimination that liberals find acceptable is against a middle-aged man who has a young wife!

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I once thought I was being clever when I married a much younger hot Russian blonde and brought her back with me to the US.

Turns out that was not so clever.

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They can be quite awful.

https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

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Marriage in 2017 is as close as we’ll ever get to a real life ‘Emperor’s New Clothes’ scenario. It is such an extraordinarily stupid choice and all the reasons for that are just completely wide open and bare for all to see. It’s all right in everyone’s face; obesity, frigidity, bitchiness, massive overconsumption, lack of escort/mistress options for middle aged husbands (available all over the world as a sexual reality, except for Americans) divorce court misandry, legalized slavery post divorce, 80% chance of divorce, overwork, ‘Lean In’ culture, gynocentrism, high probability of fagged out children, or birth defects due to ‘have it all’ pregnancies at 44, etc. etc. etc. It is a horror show right in our face. Right before our eyes. It is pure risk for ZERO reward and we all can see that. Even if it works it’s a 50 year run of serving a wife who hasn’t given you wood in the last 49 years. Striking a board for the neighbor’s teenager out sunbathing and inserting it into your wife before it subsides doesn’t count either.

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Tell it like it is.

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The last sentence was funny. I wouldn’t say there is zero reward—there is a non-zero probability of reward—but otherwise I agree with the rest of your comment.

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so fucking true

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Blackdragon got burned in marriage and turned into a whiney fuck. He is a classic gamma.

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Great article.

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Hi Quintus…it’s been awhile. Could you or one of the other outstanding writers at ROK pen a column over this? I think we should personally come to the aid of an obvious red pill subscriber who has taken a crown of thorns over standing by those beliefs.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19474/breaking-fired-google-employee-says-hell-likely-hank-berrien

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“How do we know that his wife is just going along for the ride because he makes it so easy for her? What happens if he gets tired, sick, or has employment difficulties? Will his wife stay with him?”

That is why I cannot imagine marriage outside of a religious context. It is very stupid indeed. Putting your faith in another human being for a life long endeavor that will be painful (and rewarding, but painful still) for both of you is just madness.

I will get married next year, but for me marriage is a personal spiritual endeavor. My fiance is approaching with the same framework, and is very serious about religion, this for me is the only way that it has any chance of success.

Nevertheless my spiritual director is preparing me for a lifelong of self denial and of feeling that I am not appreciatedloved enough, the common marriage state for modern man. My goal is getting into heaven and that only depends on me sticking 100% to what is true and good on every action, and admitting to myself whenever I flee from Truth. If my wife leaves me, cheats on me, takes my money… It will be a test to see where is my love, with her or with God.

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Holy crap buddy, if your wife takes another man’s cock, then kicking her to the curb is the only way, not asking yourself “Is my love with her or not?”, you gotta be kidding me. This even applies if all she does is kiss another man, or even if she flirts with another man in a human-mating-dance kind of way.

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Seconded immensely. 42 and not married here, 1 kid outta wedlock. I won’t tolerate anything like that, which is part of reason never got married after knocking up Ex years ago. Didn’t even have total proof of cheating, just enough circumstantial evidence I was done, plus lost job during the recession. Played out like a modern fem playbook for split up.

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Your working in a different sphere. He is wrong for different reasons.

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“If my wife leaves me, cheats on me, takes my money… It will be a test to see where is my love, with her or with God.”

The standards of the Church are always the standards of women. Jesus Christ and Gandhi are idealized states of manhood which normal men – because of their slavery to their instincts, sustained by media and women – are never able to achieve. These demi-humans confirm men’s suspicions that all qualities truly worth worshipping are feminine.

If Jesus came to earth to be a man he had to get laid, and he had to laugh. Or else he wasted the whole trip. Eighteen years out of the middle of his life – from 12 to 30 – are missing from the record books. Someone buried whatever they found out about him a long time ago.

Mahatma Gandhi was a wife beater. How about that? Even the saint of non-violence had his limits when it came to yapping wives. We have only been given part of the story – the female part.

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Hahahaha you wrote gandhi is an idealized state of manhood lmao hahaha, did you mean the buddha or someting? why gandhi omg I can’t stop laughing

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I don’t know he was rewarded for risking his life to work as a medic. He spent his years physically testing himself, though he was educated at the best schools and could have lived an easy life. He spent years in prison for what he believed and took a bullet. You are some spic dago garbage of course you laugh at accomplishment. What has a Silva ever accomplished that wasn’t date rape.

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Good lord, I hope that was not a serious post! Please, tell us you are kidding. If not, thanks for sharing (I think), that must’ve been humiliating for you to post this, no “Haterade” intended.

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You make excellent points. Points I discuss with my fellow brothers in Christ. However, She is to Submit to YOU. You must create the frame she can submit to and it isn’t servility. That is culture affecting the church. You must be a man of masculine Christ like nature that she can completely trust. Your masculinity, as it grows, will unleash in her… femininity. You must always cultivate both. It is your job to do so, not serve your wife like a eunuch. Manly leadership is Biblical, not the cuck stuff that’s taught in churches too frequently today. Do not be swayed by men who tell you Christian men didn’t really have it screwed on straight until the 2000’s. These beta cuck clowns are being divorced at a 50% rate today. Their wife is 4X as likely to leave them. You have nothing to learn by emulating them. Find the guy in your church ALL the women hate who has been happily married for 40 years and do what he does.

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Thanks for the comment! You are absolutely right!

But the only way I can see to attain that unbreakable frame is to marry for the right reasons: Doing God´s Will! If you do it for anything else (Vanity, need of sex, fear of loneliness..) I believe you are doom to brake at some point.

The ultimate test of knowing what are your reasons to get married is “If she cheats/divorce rape me, will I still keep my promise to God”. divorce is not an option (at least in the catholic church).

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Brother, I feel you.

But if you think you can keep ‘unbreakable frame’ year after year in a marriage, you are deceiving yourself.

You WILL lose frame – often and in many different ways.

Ask yourself this: when I break frame, when I get sick or lose my job…does this woman have the type of character to stick it out with me?

The easiest test of character in a woman is delayed gratification. Can she do it? Or is she impulsive?

Know that you can do everything right and she might still pull the Cash and Prizes trigger. Plan for this possibility. It’s a reality that many a spiritual man has confronted.

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I get what you’re saying, I go Alpha 60% of the time, beta 40%. However, guys get lazy and don’t do the work. You cannot break that frame. Leading is a 24/7/365 deal.

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Yeah, I definitely got lazy in my marriage. But sometimes you just don’t have the energy to fight to keep frame. Nor do you want to be at war all the time.

In the past, the legal system and traditional culture helped men keep frame. It was our ally. Now it breaks our frame.

We’d like to think we can make our marriages bullet-proof by our own actions. That we control things.

But that’s a false pretense.

Even if you keep frame 100% of the time, she may just get bored of your frame and want to switch it out for some other guys frame.

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I like your last point , and it is key. What are her views on divorce? If she is as staunch as you, you have a good thing. Many women today believe divorce is an option. No one succeeds at anything they can quit if it gets too tough. Marriage, like anything worthwhile in life, is about building and improving. That is where the treasure is.

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You are right on spot!

“I like your last point , and it is key. What are her views on divorce? If she is as staunch as you, you have a good thing.”

She is more staunch than I am (devout catholic, goes mass everyday and confession every other week). And this was my original point without Faith (life choices impacting faith, not just spoken faith), from both sides: marriage is a stupid idea.

I would never marry anyone that thinks divorce is an option, or that does not want kids.

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I’m currently dating a 34-year-old Canadian woman from Toronto. She
wants to marry me. I’m a 28-year-old American from NYC. I have a gut
feeling that my girlfriend wants to use me for my American citizenship,
and I’ve read at least hundreds of stories from the forum that women
from Toronto, Canada are non-dateable.

Is this the exception?
She’s a school Principal in Toronto, so she isn’t a mail order bride
from the FSU who will leech off from me. I think that men from Toronto
shouldn’t judge all women from their city as evil, feminist witches,
dont you think?

Canadian women are still better than American
women. American women are fat, ugly, hairy and uneducated. American
healthcare is by far the worst in the world, and once I live with my
girlfriend in Canada, I will get free healthcare.

Toronto women aren’t that bad. I think I found a gem.

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Canada is a pretty Liberal country, especially in Toronto which is basically the San Fran of the country.

You’re situation sounds typical. Your girl is post wall and older than you, she likes you because of you’re American citizenship which can get her out of Canada, because of its higher taxes, and by being a younger guy, you make her feel like shes younger and attractive.

I wouldn’t marry her.

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someone should build a wall around the Toronto area so that Toronto women will never scam American men with the false hope that Canadian women are somewhat, better, than American women. What a fucking joke. Toronto women must be the worst in the entire world for dating and marriage. A woman born-and-raised in Toronto, who grew up in Toronto, who breathes Toronto, who learns tORONTO misandry, is a fucked up woman who is a detriment to society…She is worse than shit from a fucking animal.
Toronto women are fucking liabilities to an American man of good character.

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Not to mention a lot of them are ugly as shit.

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lol you summarized it perfectly

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there is something fishy about your post “mike” i cant quite put a finger on it, are you posting a genuine experience or just fishing…

if you are genuine, look at past Roosh articles (and ROK as well) about Canadian women, there is a few, i think there are a couple of current posters (as well as former posters) here from Toronto who do not paint these ladies in a very flattering light.
also look up the article about female teachers/lecturers.

agree with what the Once & Future King said also

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“there is something fishy about your post “mike” i cant quite put a finger on it, ”

Indeed. Might be a fat chick troll.

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“I’m currently dating a 34-year-old Canadian woman from Toronto. She wants to marry me. I’m a 28-year-old”

Nobody cares, dude. You’re pulling a Macron in one of the worst feminists shit holes in the West.

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Even 63-year-old women in Toronto think they are legal teenagers with a sexual market value of 10/10. Macron wouldn’t even get a 90-year-old feminist whore from Toronto if he was 18-years-old at the time. Toronto is a feminist hellhole.

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Totally, what a fud.

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FUCKING TORONTO FEMINIST WHORE CALLING RUSSIAN WOMEN MAIL ORDER BRIDES? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE FATTY.

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Fuckin fattie from Toronto dissing American and Russian women. Fuck you, bitch! Toronto women are fucking useless feminist Satanists that no one would even give a fuck if North Korea sent a missile to wipe out the entire female population of Toronto! The rest of the world would rejoice instead of condemning North Korea. Fuck Toronto and fettie feminist trolls!

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If you have that feeling, it’s probably true. If she’s using you, how is she a “gem?”

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And you say she isn’t a mail order bride. That’s a weird thing to write. Have you met her in real life?

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I’m from toronto and dubious of any claim of toronto women being anything but awful, materialistic,shallow, overly-entitled sluts with over-inflated views of themselves.. not to mention feminist cunts.

That being said, some might be more tolerable than others.. and sounds like you found one of those. I doubt very much she’s interested in you for your American citizenship. Canada isn’t some 3rd world shithole and Toronto is a nice city to live in if you make good money. I think she probably gets tingles from knowing you’re from NYC, as clark kent mentioned above; also she is fucking 34 while you’re 28.. so she’s definitely getting a much better deal than you are.

I would never marry a woman 5 years older than me though. That’s the opposite of what you should be doing.. who knows how many cocks she’s sucked and had inside her.. White toronto women are some of the biggest sluts there are.. even the highly educated ones.. those even more so in some cases. Her SMV is on the way down and yours is on the way up.. there’s no reason you should be marrying some chick who’s 6 years older than you and has ridden the cock carousel, which I guarantee you she has. You should wait until at least 35 to get married.. and then only marry a woman 5 or 10 years younger. That would be my sincere advice to you.

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Don’t listen to hv, Mike. Trust your instincts. There is no guarantee she has ridden dozens of cocks, nor is her “SMV” declining.

Again, trust your instincts.

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Her SMV is most certainly declining.

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Her SMV is most certainly not in decline.

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“Most certainly”? You’re claiming that the SMV of a 34 year-old woman you have never seen is “most certainly not in decline”?

At the very least, interpreting the “S” in “SMV” medically, her “SMV” is in decline since her fertility is declining.

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“”Most certainly”? You’re claiming that the SMV of a 34 year-old woman you have never seen is “most certainly not in decline”?”

The same can be said of you, right? You automatically assumed that an older women is in “decline”. First, be specific. Second, why would you care?

“At the very least, interpreting the “S” in “SMV” medically, her “SMV” is in decline since her fertility is declining.”

We can also interpret the “S” in “SMV” sexually, as in her sexual capacity and prowess is other than in decline.

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It is absolutely in decline, as is every woman’s if she is past 25 years old.

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You MAY have a point vis-a-vis the cock carousel. I have to disagree with you, and hv, on her SMV. It isn’t declining, it’s in freefall. She grasping… HARD.

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SMV is a myth. You and JDF are being duped.

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There is no guarantee she has ridden dozens of cocks, nor is her “SMV” declining. Again, trust your instincts.

Instincts are subject to inaccuracy and are certainly no guarantee of truth.

If you want to make sure whether she has ridden dozens of cocks or not, ask her to give you a full view of her snapper. If it resembles a roast-beef or a a wizard’s sleeve then consider yourself warned and proceed at your own peril.

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Hahaha! Amazing wisdom

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She’s 4 years post wall, she is in a spot now and must latch onto something. Find a 25 year old Ukranian or Slovenian woman from one of those enclaves here in the states. If you’re in Western NY, there is a huge Ukrainian community in Erie, Pa., 20 minutes to an hour away. Many of them are nurses, elementary school teachers (run from educators and supers) and other, approved, professionals who still hold to orthodox church values of marriage, motherhood and fidelity. They are thin, feminine AND beautiful. Why waste your American capital on a western woman who MAY be a gem?

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You did not mention obesity but this is a big issue. If a girl is out of shape, the chances of having fertility issues or health issues with the children increase significantly.

Unfortunately, obesity is a much bigger problem among women than men. The gynocracy is trying to conceal this fact (we don’t want to hurt women’s feelings) but that is reality.

Also, there is tension between the age issue and the fitness issue. If a girl is under 25, it is difficult to predict if she will blimp out down the road.

Another issue is that a lot of nominally traditional girls are just feminists who have rejected the label but not the core beliefs.

Anyway, the bottom line is that there are not a lot of women who are solid marriage material and competition for them is fierce. A middle aged man has almost no chance. Why would this unicorn settle for a 40-year-old when there are plenty of younger men offering her just as much?

If a single middle aged man started attending church, most likely he would find himself subtly cock blocked from courting the young women in attendance. In this respect, a church is no different from a nightclub or any other social institution where people meet. There is instinctive hostility and suspicion towards single men.

At best such a man would find himself encouraged to spend time with some obese aging single mother who is trying to “reclaim her virginity”

The fact is that young women have always been a scarce resource, even more so today, and your typical guy is not going to waltz into some church and grab one.

Last, I agree with the poster who observed it’s a red flag if it’s the man who sells the girl on marriage and not vice versa. A decent woman is marriage oriented and if her man must persuade her to marry, it must be because she has seious misgivings about this man.

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If a girl is obese, it’s a bet her mother was dumb as a bag of rocks. Trim girls have quality moms that taught them cartwheels and the basics. I once told an obese woman that the reason she’s obese is because her mother is of low intelligence. “Your mom was an all around dummy” I told her. She cocked her head to the side and looked perplexed like she never considered it before, that her own mother maybe lacked something. She had a real moment with it.

Dumb moms don’t know how to cook and read very little but watch large amounts of TV. They wouldn’t know healthy if it bit them.

In the ‘HONEY BOO BOO’ episode about ‘sketti’ (spaghetti), I was floored by the culinary ineptitude of these folks but mostly by their disregard to nutritional knowledge. Here Mama June cooks BooBoo’s favorite dish ‘sketti’ which consists of spaghetti, ketchup and what they call butter (which is trans fatty vegetable oil margerine – Country Crock as you can see in the clip). I call it “country crock of shit” for its unwholesomeness.

Then she plops the BPA laiden bowl full of the shit in the microwave. It’s a viral piece and real food connoiseurs and critics alike have given this clip the Darwin award literally. Watch:

http://youtu.be/qvlmXKtoi1A

Now I like white people and everyone loves Honey BooBoo and we all know they’re all just acting fat and stupid to make money on a reality show, but come on. You can’t subsist on that shit. My eyeballs get glandular tumors just watching them ingest the hydrogenated preserved GMO vegetable oil ‘butter’ crap swimming in corn sweetened red 40 ketchup. I hope they don’t really eat like that in real life.

Remember oleomargarine? What the fuck is ‘oleo’? I remember quite a few ding bat moms back in the 70s that referred to margarine as ‘butter’. I also distinctly remember a few who died from malignant glandular tumors too. They fried with the shit – Grilled cheese recipe = white wonder bread, slice of velveeta and slap it in a skillet sizzling with blue bonnet or country shitcrock – and as a side dish to add meatiness, they fried spam out of a can in the dribblings. They were sickly looking fat moms too.

So the next time you see a sickly fat woman, ask what she ate as a kid. With a little regression, boy do they have a lot to talk about. If crappy dead frankenfood is what you like discussing forever, fine. The conversation subject won’t steer towards hiking, biking or jogging for a long long time.

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Shut the fuck up about spaghetti or whatever the fuck. They’re nearly all fat. That’s the issue, not haranguing their mothers and swapping recipes. GTFO.

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I try to be descriptive with food so try to forget the recipe. It’s an example what not to put into your body. If her mother cooks poorly, when visiting some men will politely stare at the scoop of doo doo on the plate that her mother prepared – and ‘pretend’ chew. You can imagine having to holler at your future wife “Whaddya trying to do, kill everyone here? This is as bad as your mamas cooking”

If the girl is a hot piece but still didn’t learn quality home cooking, feel free to crack on her like a cooking show dictator over the stove until she fears and respects the kitchen, when she internalizes the basics. Again please forget the ‘sketti’ recipe. Many agree that it does belong on a gore site.

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His point is Boo Boo’s mom is not smart or gifted, thus Boo Boo will suffer the same ills.

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Getting set up by church moms is a bitch, exactly like you said they see you a successful decent looking male in his late 20s or early 30s as a perfect match for some slut with multiple children.

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The funny thing is that Women balme men. They say that there are no good men, that men are all peter-pans, that men are only interested in one night stands, etc. Maybe they have a point, if men are only interested in gaming women. I guess there is blame on both sides.

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Men who isolate themselves are doing it as self medication due to living in a gynocentric society. The only men we should blame are the ones who voted for women to have all the privileges of men without any of the responsibility.

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Naw man, you gotta awaken yourself to the reality of it. Nearly everything any broad exclaims men are guilty of, thus problematic in their eyes, is EXACTLY what they are doing. Now more than ever all the old addages apply;”Person Pointing the Finger Has Four Pointing Back at Themselves.” “Actions Speak Louder Than Words.”

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I don’t know how you fix everything that is wrong with your post. It is, demonstrably, true that 2nd wave and 3rd wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. There are many women who believe it should have been destroyed because men were exploiting women. Thousands of years of patriarchal leadership led to the greatest civilizations the world has ever seen. Now that the women have what they “fought” for, they are very unhappy. Historically unhappy. Still want to blame BOTH sides?

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Spot on article.

I feel the traditionalists understand deep inside how bad western civilization is getting, so they feel marriage is the last bit of grounds they have to win the culture war.

Unfortunately they don’t have much of an argument besides desperately trying to appeal to emotions, but all this does is blame the men who are victims of a society set up by their boomer ancestors.

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People often write to calm their own insecurities. If you have to throw your marriage out there as an shining beacon of light, you are riding it in second gear.

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Perilloux has set himself up for a marriage in need of constant “extra” effort, even by today’s difficult standards. Willing things into existence involving the modern female, traditional or not, is grounds for implosion. Why do I say “implosion” and not “explosion?” It’s because there is a void where one side has a lack of start-up will. If the will per se, from Parriloux’s perspective is concomitant with the “leading women with alpha direction” we consider in red-pilled men, then he should have worded it better. You go into marriage with a comprehensive contingency plan in today’s climate, and no I don’t mean prenup.

No matter what country or rural traditional values you seek, you’ll be dealing with Traditional Woman ver2.0. I think learning to cope with that first could be a better strategy than finding a borderline 3rd world insular disconnect of a woman, who’ll eventually be touched by the Western cancer, and then influenced mid-marriage, introducing a risk factor that wasn’t incorporated into the initial planning. That is how men get completely blindsided in marriage, and miss all sorts of red-flags – which are always minuscule at first – but blossom into 8 headed dragons down the road.

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Meet her parents. Aside from her being young and virgin which is where I level the chin up bar, observe her parents and how they are with each other. There are a lot of nuances you can pick up how her mother reacts to her father. Does he nod his head at her where she then moves like a song to offer you horsd’ervours. Even if it’s an act, she keeps it spif and proper around suitors to her loinage. If your ‘young virgin’ has a single mother, something doesn’t smell right. I scratch and probe. “Where’s the daddy MISS JONES If I may ask? Where’d you bury him, hmmm?” You can’t pick enough bones with the abscentee father theater here. No way.

A divorced single mother stinks pure and simple. You can waste your time and breath talking to her but something just stinks and it’s her and you know it.

IF YOU FANCY her daughter though, end it there with the single mom bag. Your girl doesn’t need that sorry sack of a single mother. “Dump your piece of shit runaway bitch mother sweetie. She abandoned her nest.” you tell the girl. She’ll have to be under your wing completely for her wifely qualities to surface.

In this age of divorce rape, the divorce rapists must be banished – from their own offspring(marriagable virgin daughters), from the future lineage. Why? Because they broke the chain of patriarchal lineage and honor.

IF A GIRL is virgin with a single mother, she must bury memories of the errant witch. She must enter a new life and contract herself as yours. Yes she’s suffered a blow by her mother taking a knife to the patriarchal rule, but she’s not as damaged as a non virgin who has pleasured on penises aside.

A non virgin girl with married parents still wasted herself and fucked up. She likely had tolerant parents who bought into the career/carousel lie themselves and/or tolerated their daughters succumbing to the oft trends. People who go with the flow and accept their environment are the weeker and less intelligent. Strong and intelligent stock keep the moral codes and their virgin daughters have value. A trim petite virgin girl from hard righteous stock doesn’t seem so physically small on honeymoon night. Despite her petite size, that’s a big weighty thing you’re mounting and you know it in your head. That’s the real bone slab of your lineage you’re pouring there and you know good when you plink your hammer setting the piles and joists on that slab, when you begin construction of your family. There’s a ‘weightiness’ to even a small package of a woman when she’s retained her virgin value. She carries the full future prospect. She’s yours. Then it’s time to teach her how daddy likes his balls drained.

If your virgin woman comes from an intact patriarchal family, the stars are at your command. Commence mounting and plumb bobbing. But if her mother was a divorce raping ho but you luckily snatched her from the nails of the witch just in time, she should have NO MORE CONTACT with the bitch once she hops in and rolls with you and your tail lights are out of the bitch mother’s sight.

Many fine women in the west sadly are victims of their own divorce raping whore mothers. The girls can’t all be discounted as a lost cause. The price to pay is taking a hatchet to the wasted generation of whore mothers that we shall see no more of – – so long as the girl is still virgin. Take ye virgin woman in the one hand and the patriarchal sword in the other. Amen.

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Meet her parents. Aside from her being young and virgin which is where I level the chin up bar, observe her parents and how they are with each other. There are a lot of nuances you can pick up how her mother reacts to her father. Does he nod his head at her where she then moves like a song to offer you horsd’ervours. Even if it’s an act, she keeps it spif and proper around suitors to her loinage. If your ‘young virgin’ has a single mother, something doesn’t smell right. I scratch and probe. “Where’s the daddy MISS JONES If I may ask? Where’d you bury him, hmmm?” You can’t pick enough bones with the abscentee father theater here. No way.

A divorced single mother stinks pure and simple. You can waste your time and breath talking to her but something just stinks and it’s her and you know it.

IF YOU FANCY her daughter though, end it there with the single mom bag. Your girl doesn’t need that sorry sack of a single mother. “Dump your piece of shit runaway bitch mother sweetie. She abandoned her nest.” you tell the girl. She’ll have to be under your wing completely for her wifely qualities to surface.

In this age of divorce rape, the divorce rapists must be banished – from their own offspring(marriagable virgin daughters), from the future lineage. Why? Because they broke the chain of patriarchal lineage and honor.

IF A GIRL is virgin with a single mother, she must bury memories of the errant witch. She must enter a new life and contract herself as yours. Yes she’s suffered a blow by her mother taking a knife to the patriarchal rule, but she’s not as damaged as a non virgin who has pleasured on penises aside.

A non virgin girl with married parents still wasted herself and fucked up. She likely had tolerant parents who bought into the career/carousel lie themselves and/or tolerated their daughters succumbing to the oft trends. People who go with the flow and accept their environment are the weaker and less intelligent. Strong and intelligent stock keep the moral codes and their virgin daughters have value. A trim petite virgin girl from hard righteous stock doesn’t seem so physically small on honeymoon night. Despite her petite size, that’s a big weighty thing you’re mounting and you know it in your head. That’s the real bone slab of your lineage you’re pouring there and you know good when you plink your hammer setting the piles and joists on that slab, when you begin construction of your family. There’s a ‘weightiness’ to even a small package of a woman when she’s retained her virgin value. She carries the full future prospect. She’s yours. Then it’s time to teach her how daddy likes his balls drained.

If your virgin woman comes from an intact patriarchal family, the stars are at your command. Commence mounting and plumb bobbing. But if her mother was a divorce raping ho but you luckily snatched her from the nails of the witch just in time, she should have NO MORE CONTACT with the bitch once she hops in and rolls with you and your tail lights are out of the bitch mother’s sight.

Many fine women in the west sadly are victims of their own divorce raping whore mothers. The girls can’t all be discounted as a lost cause. The price to pay is taking a hatchet to the wasted generation of whore mothers that we shall see no more of – – so long as the girl is still virgin. Take ye virgin woman in the one hand and the patriarchal sword in the other. Amen.

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I have to admit, you write awesome fiction.

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But alas that is automatic domestic violence, so you need to cleft her from all social contact with the world, not just her mama, lest anyone hear of it. For onceupon thine discovery as an abuser, a social worker will entice and assist thee damsels escape. Cutting off social contact is very high on the list of things constituting violence and the judge will happily cut you off from her, the house and any offspring.

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Hey Roosh, a friend of mine posted that article a short while ago, so I decided to google the author. I found his wedding site and just take a look at the lady he was “lucky” to get. LOL https://www.theknot.com/us/christy-templeton-and-michael-perilloux-oct-2015/details#our-story

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My goodness . . . I searched this person on peoplefinders, it seems she is 41 years old. He seriously expects to have 7 children with an obese girl > 40 years old?

He will be lucky if they have even 1 healthy child.

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Wow. I have no words.

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I got banned by RoK and no reason was specified. Would you kindly tell me what happened?

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I think the response is pretty simple. It is just very difficult to find girls who are suitable for the married with children route.

Regardless of physical attractiveness, a girl who is 40+ and obese is likely to give you a lot of problems in terms of fertility and other health issues.

If you are going for marriage/children, at a minimum you need a girl who is fit, childless, under 30, at least somewhat traditional, and without a long sexual history. Probably there are 20 or 30 men competing for each such girl.

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Yeah, I’ve had similar thoughts. Just by going by basic requirements…If you have 100 single women, by 2020 75% of American women will be overweight so that’s 25..then factor in not having kids, being reasonably sane, non-slutty, being of acceptable age and race, you’re probably down to a handful before you start digging deeper. Finding hos to bang is easy. Two of my guy friends who have been with 100+ were both bald and obese, finding someone worthwhile to marry is hard. And then that’s not even counting in social media, which makes it so much harder usually since there’s a much bigger pool (or girls think they’re so much better than they really are)

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Holy Mother of God!!!

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Alright so I talked to a writer at Social Matter and “Michael Perilloux” is a pen name. The Michael Perilloux you found is not the man who wrote the article. What a relief.

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Thanks for the corrected information. Seemed to be him cause the last name seemed uncommon and that guy had just gotten married a few years back like him, and when I reread it, while he mentioned the guy should be in shape, he made no mentions for such in the requirements for the female. I posted it in a private fb group, I’ll update it.

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Thanks for finding this.

Roosh’s article is still good, but now that we know what Perrier’s wife looks like (at the time he proposed!), we can disregard everything Perrier wrote.

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Roosh, how do you feel about having kid(s) out of wedlock? I don’t think the man gets raped so badly if they are not married.

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Maybe not quite so bad, but the laws are coming soon. The Marriage Strike will be parried so easily by legislators. I’ve already heard stories of men getting hooked for CS well after they’d broken up with a live-in GF who got knocked up by some other dude, clearly and admittedly. So tread carefully.

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Yeah, I’ve seen stuff on the legal advice forum on reddit about that. That actually happens

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Could you please give some links?

Most states do not recognize common law marriage. If one simply holds a private ceremony (without all the documents and government involvement), one can avoid the divorce rape scenario (at the cost of less tax/insurance benefits).

There will be laws soon to prevent that?

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I don’t think laws will prevent that, but if she has a kid anywhere near the time you were together, then you’re paying child support. Even if it’s not yours. I wouldn’t doubt that soon you will be on the hook for some form of alimony if you co-habitate for long enough, children or not.

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Here’s a couple. There’s a search function on reddit, so if you can find more links if you want to read more

They say it’s possible if he played the role of a father figure but not likely
“You are not on the hook for child support until a court order says you are. That being said, it is possible that if you presented yourself as the father (not biological, but in practice) of the child and had a significant role in the child’s life as well as supported the child, you could be found to have assumed the role of father and ordered to pay support. I think this is unlikely given what you have presented here”
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/6g1rgy/exgirlfriend_says_i_need_to_pay_her_child_support/

Also, if the child is not yours can you still be ordered to continue paying child support
“There have been numerous cases of courts deciding that the guy in your friend’s position who have decided he needs to keep on paying child support, because the child would suffer in the absence of it.
He’s not getting any money back, forget that.
Let me repeat: It is possible that your friend will be ordered to continue paying child support in this case.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/4fqp7j/njpa_just_found_out_5yr_old_son_is_not_mine_have/

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Some states still do recognize common law marriage. Others have the “palimony” concept. Tread carefully, my brothers.

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I accidentally replied to ‘Ingrid Marie’ instead of you. please look at my comment below.

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If you’re legally married within the system, your fight against the system begins yesterday. First you divorce yourself from the system. Then you marry your spouse and it’s God’s little secret. Only you, your spouse and God need to know the arrangement. It’s a contract you and her make with God almighty and not some alcoholic magistrate.

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All great except in some US states there’s still a thing called “common law marriage”. You can actually end up legally married without ever getting a license or having a ceremony, and unfortunately, “common law divorce” is not a thing. You have to go to real divorce court to get out of it.

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In California family court judges can give the mom “child support” that is up to half of the man’s net worth, under the theory that the child deserves the standard of living of the richer parent. Of course there is zero accountability on how the mom spends that “child support.”

The safest route is to do what Ronaldo did and just have kids with a surrogate. Risk is not zero but substantially mitigated.

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I suppose that it be a sperm donor that is not anonymous

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Had nothing growing up. Never met the bio father because he was a child rapist, mother had “no idea” this person who also was an abusive alcoholic, with a HUGE criminal history, in and out of jail/prison could ever do something like that. Anyways, once found a diary from my mother detailing how she spent our child support checks bingeing and purging on fast food, in the parking lot, so she could hide it. And YES step dad is the beta male in this story.

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In Germany, you are very fine with it. You are responsible to pay child support but it is easy as fuck to avoid it. About 40% of guys who had to pay it, simply don’t.

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No man should want to avoid supporting his own kids.

Giving some woman a lifetime income for bearing them is another thing entirely.

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The west has a lot of misconceptions about what was the actual Indian culture.
The current degenerates are no better than the millennials in the west.
Only matter of time before feminism completes the cultural decline here too.

Connecting to possible solutions if interested-
Option 1: Take a trip there for direct experience and/or better wife prospects, before it’s too late. Really find out if it’s as bad as imagined.
Option 2: Use social contacts for recommendations.
Option 3: Use the surrogacy and daycare route.
If not, then just have to wait for the daddy government to collapse.

“Fulfilment is peace of mind or self-satisfaction, from knowing you made the best effort to become the best that you are capable of becoming.”

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Here’s an advise to all of you brave men in the West who decide to get married:

Expect that someday your wife will run off to “find herself” – move to the Rockies, or shack up with a Rastafarian beach bum. You need not be shamed by your wife’s infidelity. It’s not you, it’s her. It’s her problem. Her nature.

Cement a good relationship with your kids, keep some cash socked away in an account she doesn’t know about, and If you’re prepared for it you can survive it. If you’re blind-sided, like most of us, it becomes an emotional disaster. She’ll still claim monetary support from you, but you’ll no longer be entitled to any kind of emotional support from her. Divorce is a tsunami for men because we don’t see it coming. We don’t plan for it. Women are clever; women are two-faced. The closer they get to divorce the smoother things will appear to be running because they’re making plans behind your back. Be ready. And remember, her infidelity is not your fault. Not your shame. Shame on her for being so shallow and duplicitous.

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“keep some cash socked away in an account she doesn’t know about”

Fail to report that account on your financial disclosure for the divorce proceedings, and you may end up in prison on a perjury charge. Just saying.

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One of your best articles, Roosh. Thoughtful and fair and solid reasoning about this very difficult problem modern man are faced with today and the utter lack of worthy and marriageable women around. Every man in the modern West needs to read this article before desperately trying to get married out of fear or because some 37 year old slut who’s ridden the cock carousel and is now ready to get off gives him a whiff of pussy finally.

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I live in australia and recently met a colombian girl from a meetup group. Ive slept with over a 100 girls and this was the first pure traditional girl ive ever come across. Im definately not letting this one go. This goes to show how hard it is to find one of these girls- 7 years in the game, 1000’s of approaches. Its like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Its too hard for modern men these days. These girls do exist but you need to have a good work ethic and a bit of luck and of course an unrealistic high level of game.

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That’s great, but you do realize you are not siring white offspring, just mud kids. Furthermore, you really should show us a pic as evidence of your quarry.

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Wow, a pyscho-babbling liberal female who is openly racist. Very unusual. Usually they keep the racism covert.

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Has she had sex with you before marriage? Then she’s not traditional.

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Amen

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I’m happily married to a much younger, traditional woman. We met when she was 24. Now she’s 30 and we have 2 children.

Here are standards I found worked for me:
– Never wears slutty clothing, never advertises her body
– Not a drinker, not a partier
– No tats
– No “guy friends” or gay friends
– Parents together, healthy relationship with parents
– Always looking to do nice things for me
– Cooked for me regularly
– Prioritized her time for me
– I used several tests from this post at Dalrock, f-ing awesome https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/interviewing-a-prospective-wife-part-ii/

Regarding converting a girlfriend to a wife, you want to smoke out the princesses and high-maintenance types. This is what worked for me:
– Tell, don’t ask. Told her “I want you to be my wife.”
– For God’s sake don’t get on a knee. Jesus.
– No elaborate proposals. Private. Tell her she’ll become your wife in a very quotidian setting, like in line for a burrito. She’ll love the contrast. I did it in bed after a romp during a weekend getaway. The moment was spontaneous, although I had been thinking about it a while.
– No diamond. You heard me, no diamond. I bought 2 gold wedding bands on the Internet for about $800 (yes I have plenty of money). Tell her you’d rather spend the money on a house, and you object to crass displays of materialism. My grandmother didn’t have a diamond from my granddad, this whole diamond myth “tradition” thing was created by De Beers (Google it). If she flips out dump her. Seriously. My wife was fine with it.
– Simplest ceremony possible. We got married at her parents’ house.
– Pre-nup. If she balks dump her.

Your mileage may vary, but this is what I found worked for me. It’s all about screening.

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good comment & congrats

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Identifying wife standards is the easy part. The issue is finding her.

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Yeah, finding her is the hard part. When I met my wife I realized her potential immediately. A real diamond. Needle in a haystack maybe. Btw I live abroad. My wife is not American.

One thing that helped me identify her quickly was that I wrote down a detailed description of my ideal woman and envisioned life with her. I’ve found that writing a vision tunes your radar and makes it more likely you’ll find and recognize what you want (as well as disregard unsuitable women so you don’t waste time). While my wife did not fit my description perfectly she was pretty close.

I’ve used this visioning and written affirmation exercise in business as well to great effect. It works. Dunno why exactly, but it works.

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I know we all have have different backgrounds here to varying degrees with what kind of family/home life we grew up with, the number and quality of chicas we have gamed and banged, our religious beliefs, our international experience (or lack thereof) and so on. To throw my unsolicited two cents in: the two girls I knocked up and who birthed my two sons both begged/cajoled/browbeat for me to marry them. Being somewhat blue-pilled still at the time, I almost did it mainly because I thought it would be the “right thing” for the kids in the long run. Fortunately, I wasn’t totally fucking stupid and dodged the bullet in both cases, yet still have two wonderful young sons w/joint custody who are still in large part growing up together. When they get older, I will strongly advise them to NEVER get married, because I can’t bear for them to roll the dice and screw their lives up that way.

Cohabitate if you must and enjoy banging new tail from time to time is what I try to advise younger guys, but man, with the current generation (despite seeing their dads get screwed over to the max in frivorce court) so many of the young guys here are blue pill and idealistic to the max. I hate to think they will get married and burned so early in life, but most young guys starting out will do some stupid shit and fuck their life up to varying degrees, so you just have to hope they find Return of Kings or RooshV.com early enough to mitigate the damage and give them a fighting chance in life, seriously. Great and detailed article by the way, very interesting analysis.

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Really love the “no diamond” thing, and yes, the diamond engagement ring is a total crock of shit. Having a wedding where the bride and groom and guests play dress up and pretend like they are royalty for a day and someone drops an amount of money that would be a good down payment on a house is just ridiculous.

It’s a pretty good general rule to avoid any activity that requires clothing that you don’t already have in your closet, and that rule is especially true if when rented clothing is involved.

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Yes, diamond engagement rings are garbage.

In 1940 just 10% of brides-to-be got diamond rings. By 1990 it was 80%.

What changed?

Why, a demand-creating ad campaign from De Beers! Read for yourself: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/how-an-ad-campaign-invented-the-diamond-engagement-ring/385376/

I found it helps to screen on this issue very early, when you first start dating. Tell a girl something like “My college buddy decided to use his savings for a downpayment on a house instead of a diamond ring and big wedding for his wife. She was surprised at first, but totally cool with it. Do you know anyone like that?”

Her response will reveal her attitude. If she says “that’s crazy” you can tell her about the artificial demand created by the diamond industry. Tell her neither of your grandmothers had diamond rings. Etc.

The idea here is women are totally malleable by society. She’s been programmed. You have to begin deprogramming her. If she can’t be deprogrammed on this issue, let some other schmuck marry her.

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“For God’s sake, please don’t get on your knees” Spit my soda out😂

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>>>”In the end, we have to be careful about taking advice from men who have a sample size of one marriage.”

One of the girls I’m seeing told me she has a friend who is “relationship specialist”
I asked her: “How many relationships does he concurently have?”

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Oh no bro! Don’t tell me that your neo-masculinity (if you still use that inane neologism) in the end has proven to be ineffective in terms of saving the west! Is being a cry-baby the new way of being a man? Poor little ” return of kings” followers can’t get girlfriends so they either ran away (how masculine!) or sit down and bitch about the changing world. What, your shitty movement has proven useless in terms of solving even your own personal problems? After years of promiscuity and debauchery and hence of contributing to the decline of the west, a decline that you now ironically decry, you all of a sudden wanna settle down? I guess you and the “cock-carousel riding” girls have a lot in common. You’re both whores until you tire of it and have suddenly “found yourselves” through bullshit pseudo-spirituality (you seriously wrote an article on Osho, wtf? XD). This article is basically your admission that neo-masculinity is really just a sham you came up with to make money off of other naive under-educated and desperate ‘men’. Otherwise, if it was so great and “revolutionary” why the change in tone? I guess ” neo-masculine” men are too weak to do jack shit about the present situation. Hopefully, the youth you’ve been lying to all these years will wake up and smell your bullshit.

[P.S. It’s cowardly as fuck to ban everyone who points out your hypocrisy. You’ve banned me and others that have pointed it out before, but don’t worry, it gets tiring pointing out what now appears to be adamant stupidity, if all you do is ban any criticism. Very manly of you by the way. So we’ll probably start our own blog, dedicated to pointing out your hypocrisy and that of others too, we won’t ban you if you do choose to comment, rest-assured!].

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Because a true American never heads overseas for a better life. A true American will stay and endure mistreatment and untenable life situations instead of having the balls to strike out in search of the best life possible, right? A true American is all about “Thank you sir may I have another?” Take it, endure, but never leave in the name of self-determination, right?….Er, wait, what? Uh, hmmm….confused now.

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And what, pray tell, is “the best life possible”? Does it mean going to impoverished third world Asian countries and being a sex-tourist? Or maybe it means running away to poor eastern European slavic countries (who the nazis never considered human, by the way) and also taking advantage of the impoverished women there? Talk about white privilege am I right? The Asians and slavs put it out for the god-like American white man who has descended to their shithole countries to save them from hardship. Also, I thought ‘neo-masculinity’ was about, saving the west, by teaching men how to be men again or whatever. My comment above pointed out how this has been such a failure that even Roosh can’t use it to sort his shit out. In fact, it [‘neo-masculinity’] has contributed to this decline that he now decries over and over again. A true American will stay and try to save his country, because it’s worth saving. But not by listening to some Iranian con-artist that’s got you all hoodwinked.

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Trotting out the ‘pray tell’ from your online snark starter kit, eh?
Well, dummy. Everyone else would have seen that my scenario was sarcastic. America only exists because of the “Fuck it, I’m leaving then” spirit. That’s why America is here. You couldn’t see that? You complete fucking idiot. Do you even understand how much of an asshole you are for not seeing what I led you straight into? You are so fucking stupid. You walked right into it. You did have one good line though;

“The Asians and slavs put it out for the god-like American white man ”

Ding, ding, ding! Winner. You’re exactly right about that. And we cum on their beautiful, young bodies too. Everyone wins except for ignored, fat American girls which I so strongly suspect is a description of you. Nom, nom, nom!

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Your juvenile insults aside, you just agreed with everything I pointed out. You live for and perpetuate debauchery, just like your iranian con-artist leader, then bitch and complain, when the shit-storm you created gets too much for you to handle, which leads you to run away to impoverished countries only to further spread your debauchery there all over again, in a never-ending cycle (isn’t he in Poland or something?). You didn’t lead me straight into anything, because your comments captures the stupidity I was pointing out to begin with. If you were being sarcastic and plan on staying, then your presence doesn’t really change anything, if you subscribe to the teachings of a con-artist that contradicts himself with every new article he churns out. In short: you stay, live like a man-whore then complain about the lack of ‘chaste-virgins’, and then eventually show how ‘manly’ you are by running away to create more whores overseas by your own behaviour. One more thing, I am man as evidenced by my logical statements and my ability to point out the b.s. that is your entire movement. Reading both your comments, I see nothing but sporadic insults that aren’t even creative (‘you complete fucking idiot’…really?) and no counter-arguments at all. I’ll only bother responding to you if you at least show one coherent thought that isn’t just you throwing a bitch-fit, otherwise, I’m done indulging you, melmoth.

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Lots of squid ink there hausfrau. You embarrassed yourself by completely whiffing on my very obvious point and squid ink won’t change that

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Dude, you got owned. Be a man, admit it and move on.

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That is the most transparent double handle in Internet hostory. Still working that online snark starter kit eh?

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That is the most transparent double handle in Internet history. Still working that online snark starter kit eh?

LOL not only that, she’s also working on rewriting the Bible and the Buddhist scriptures to her liking. I went back and forth with her dozens of times in the comments section of the ‘What I’ve Learned About Women From My Long-Term Relationships’ article.

Basically you’ve got yourself a bitter soon-to-be spinster who’s trying to sell late marriage and religious conservatism to us PUAs and MGTOWs. That’s right, a woman who roots for feminism and who is NOT in favor of repelling the 19th amendment but championing religious conservatism! Can you spell ‘female chameleon’?

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Three points:
1) If you spend time in an Orthodox church or something similar, you WILL be exposed to conservative, traditional women. They may be married though. I love spending time with a grandmother I met at one.

2) I wouldn’t mind putting forth the effort and life changes required to “will to power” focus on locating a good wife *IF* I knew my efforts would be worth it. I could change my location, job, friends, sell my home, etc. and spend a year or so in the quest for finding a good wife that met all the criteria listed above. But in the end I’m still at risk of losing it all. Especially if I live in the US, but really if you live anywhere outside of a nation like the Phillipines that outlaws divorce.

It’s strange that it’s gotten to the point where a man would consider risking so much of his time, efforts, money, and sacrificing so much to obtain what just came naturally to men in the past–good, traditional wives were readily available to a high quality man. They would pick from several, but generally all good men would find a wife, marry young, and form a family.

Now a man must upend his life, make serious personal sacrifices, and focus 100% of his time on finding a mate, if he hopes to locate one that has the 5 reasonable qualities listed in the article. It reminds me of the Patrice O’neal bit where he talks about how crazy it is that he has to get on a plane, risking his life and fly around the world to some Brazilian prostitutes just so he can have a brief experience with a feminine woman. Men have to take crazy risks today just for the chance of meeting a potential viable bride.

3) It’s the environment. Little of this touches on location.

The author appears to live in America. If you bring your traditional bride to America, you must come home every day as if you are walking through a WW2 minefield, knowing that each day you cross that threshold could mean the end. The environment does not support, nay it is HOSTILE to, family, marriage, and tradition. How can one expect to win against such odds? Why would one try?

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“The environment does not support, nay it is HOSTILE to, family, marriage, and tradition. How can one expect to win against such odds? Why would one try?”

I suggest you read Gorilla Mindset. Build up your self-esteem. Next, join a church. Meet grandmothers who know of traditional women. They may not be hot, but they will be loyal and pop out all sorts of kids for you.

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Having a wife and kids is no guarantee that you won’t die alone and afraid. That such statements are commonplace, from both sexes, lends reinforcement to my view that most people make horrible relationship choices because they are so terrified of being alone with themselves for more than a couple hours.

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Well-written and logos-based. Good points about game versus advice on marriage.

I have thinking about eleborating this, but perhaps the largest share of men have to look beyond marriages and even stable relationships and use cunning to contribute. Here are a few ideas that can help some:

1. Marry a weak and poor woman, from like Moldavia, who could do little resistance. Treat her well but be sure to control most things. Make sure to have at least 2-3 kids.

2. Use game skills to impregnate 3-4 women and let the state handle them in part – turning the bad for something good, in the logical fashion of two minus will create a plus (inspired from Evola’s idea in The Path of Cinnabar, which in turn was inspired by Hegel). At least you can have some influence, contribute to society and pass your genes on.

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“…how he created his marriage safe space away from the evils around him.”
A good environment is very important. The most attacks are coming from quarter- or semi-conservative people, not so from lefties (cause you don’t have nearer contact to them). That’s my subjective experience.

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It’s really unfortunate there could never be any sort of significant cooperation between the “game” guys and the MRA’s and MGTOW’s and etc.

I mean a real shame.

We could have done so much potentially, and we had such common ground and such a common problem too.

These men and these groups, they should have had a conversation, they should have debated, organized their ideas, developed that common ground, simplified it, spread it, and mobilized it and put some common action behind it.

And built a better greater world for both parties. A world in which men were at least treated fairly and advocated for, which I can’t see any men disagreeing with that.

Forget the extremism, I’m just talking about the basics.

Lets get real here. Feminists kicked our asses. They worked us pretty bad.

And that’s just an objective fact.

Really sad.

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We already have enough philosophy, enough thoughts, enough contemplation, enough theories, enough information, enough discussion, enough defeatism, enough hopelessness.

What we have a shortage of though is action, spirit, vigor, fight, determination, drive, passion, vitality, and hope.

This stuff reminds me of back in the PUA days when there would be too much theory, not enough approaching.

I think you might actually be waiting for things to be perfect before you do anything and that you aren’t willing to put yourself out there and fail, be humiliated, or have it go wrong.

And I have a tendency to be like that too.

But if deep down you really want to do something, maybe you should just take that chance.

Just take that plunge.

And go for it.

Sometimes you just gotta put yourself on the wire on cross your fingers and just go for it.

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Sure. And if you need to run across a busy street you should just run across with your eyes closed because you know “why not?”

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Well I guess we could all be victims of “degeneracy” instead.

And stay safe by… doing nothing.

This reminds me of the same problems Roosh had with MGTOW’s except now it’s more like PGTOW – Players Going Their Own Way.

It’s like the same exact thing just about marriage and children instead of dating and sex.

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No need to be a victim of anything. Another option is to make smart decisions with open eyes and a plan

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Why have marriage, divorce, and alimony when you skip straight to kids and child support? Child support is 18 years, but alimony can be for life.

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“Just take that plunge”
“And go for it”
Go for what? What are you talking about?

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Taking the plunge can be worse than staying single.

http://www.greyjabesi.com/lifestyle/ep30/

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Just “go for it”? Sorry, way too much on the line for that. You can very easily end up 10 years down the road having bought a house and car and forking over alimony and child support for a woman you haven’t fucked in 15 years and kids you only get to see on the weekend. On the other hand, the *very best* possible outcome is that you get to watch each other get old, then one of you dies and leaves the other alone. Gee, great deal.

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So long as men hold on to the dream, there will be a market for these books.

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Does Roosh own Return of The Kings? I dont really like that site anymore, but his main channel(this) is amazing. I really enjoy your articles and I hope you continue to put out more of them. Always learn something new from them.

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They are different. ROK is more for fun, not as thought provoking, but more for light comments and snarky remarks. I enjoy ROK as entertainment value. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to go there.

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Hate to wax negative, but how many of us met an ideal woman for marriage in our youth but didn’t realize it? The first time I ever set foot on college campus, at Freshman Orientation, I met a sweet, very inexperienced girl from a small town. Within hours we were “together” and that night at sleepover in the dorms we kissed — which I practically had to teach her to do.

But she was “cute” and not sexy or beautiful. She also looked about 12 and had no sense of style. All of this and her “small town-ness” put me off. I wanted the hot chick(s). Which I did get. One of them stayed with me for four years, then split for California when college ended. After that I was thrown into the early ’20s dating market and by then you start to get jaded and meet people who are even more jaded: The women with multiple abortions, countless partners, etc.

Decades later, I was able to track Freshman Orientation Girl down on Facebook. She got married and stayed married. She looked too young back when I knew her which was bad. Now that quality is good.

My advice to any young guy reading this is that if you think you want marriage, get in on the ground level with women. This happens before you realize it: When you’re 17 or 18.

You probably already know the woman who would make a great wife, but you’re passing her up to ride the male version of the carousel. Unless women like these become young widows, you won’t have the chance to meet them again because they get pulled off the market and stay off the market. Forever.

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If you could go back to being 17-18, you would probably blow it all over again. If you wanted girls that were already practiced at packaging their hotness, then you likely couldn’t have handled the task of properly processing a fresh nubie into a crack loyal spouse and mother. Adult college ‘kids’ often can’t even properly process and safely prepare a raw chicken from the store. They continue to consume the easily microwavable but tasty precooked chicken ‘tendies’ well into their late 20’s. Some college grad females still can’t make a trukey spread dinner properly like their grandmother did.

I passed up ground level women too when I was that age, me being barely 6 years past the age of peach fuzz. Immature at 17-18 was right before I hit the clubs and sluts. I still lacked the fortitude to go the long course with a LTR relationship and I lacked the coaching to actualize and realize a traditional family for myself. It was an uphill battle and act of total rebellion against the shitlib sterile culture I was raised in for a young white hetero man to start a family, especially in the leftist college town I grew up in. None of my young friends could find it in themselves to start families either. The place was a leftist swamp.

It wasn’t until I got away to the ‘baby belt’ parts of the country that I saw young families budding right out of high school and every job I worked at, young coworkers were hooking up in a frenzy and began churning out kids even when they were still renting small apartments. I never would have seen that had I not left the cultural sewer of my hometown. College areas aren’t the greatest places to look for a traditional woman. The females there by and large have already been wound up to do things other than primary mothering.

You mention widows which I’ve never seriously considered before. There may be problems with widows. What if you meet her dead ex in the hereafter and he wants a piece of her too? Yeah what are you supposed to do then? Do you flip a coin or does she spread her ass double wide for the both of you to half-cheek it with her at the same time? Shit. I don’t think the Lord’s house rules allow for that. Just kidding. It’s easiest to just forget widows and keep things simple. Keep it virgin.

The older I get, the surer I’m sure that a freshly fresh tart teen virgin nubie is the only safe bet for a reliable spouse and mother. There is no longer a market or dowry custom in the west for marrying off virgins. If there is it’s underground and nonwhite muslim only. While young white western women are being force fed into the educational meat grinder so they can forego breeding and displace men in the workplace. If there’s a pool of feminist schooled brainwashed processed women, then the ((purse string)) lenders in business and especially in government will step in and raise the lending ceiling to create more make work jobs, making sure that there enough cubicle jobs for them all.

And still virgins are born every day. Catching one before she’s deflowered would require intelligence that is privy to the socialist workers that run the train of wrecking intact families and throwing young daughters out of the father’s supervision. Feminists then close in and spin their webs while steering every possible situation into an environment where the girls are quickly deflowered, even if it’s the lesbian man-hating course, the carnal knowledge is not family oriented. It is for state control by the feminists.

It is the feminist’s M.O. to causate girls to be deflowered as young as possible so they ‘learn’ how to steer in and out of relationships. Some girls as young as 12 already have expert experience how to ghost and dump a young guy when they’re done with him – thanks to the feminists. And the young girls know all the strings to pull with the entitlement system and its services. Male sires are removed from households utilizing processes that resemble the chapters on livestock farm management in an ag college textbook. And the same forces enact legal hollidays that ensure the young males get sodomized and pursue sterile gay non-procreative lifestyles. It’s all aboot sterilizing the west and arresting normal reproduction and preventing the formation of patriarchal unit families. It is atomization on steroids.

THE LAST thing the feminists want is for ANY virgin female to fall under the control of a traditional patriarch. I’ve heard feminists pound their fists and scream that “NO MAN has ANY right to control ANY female whatsoever”. So the feminists ensure the empowerment of young girls by steering their early deflowering and then they coach the girls how to manage and control any male. They want even the youngest girls to be on top at the get go, pulling all the strings and manipulating.

The feminist’s M.O. is clear. They are tools and they are exposed. They violate the natural programme of our DNA, the patriarchal nature of our refined species and their end is near. The golden age of MAN rumbles on the horizon where MAN returns to the throne and the patriarchal order of the ages will be laid down.

Kings rise uuup!

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“It was an uphill battle and act of total rebellion against the shitlib sterile culture I was raised in for a young white hetero man to start a family, especially in the leftist college town I grew up in.”

Why don’t you go on Maury and lambaste your parents for your own foibles and faults. That would be highly entertaining.

“The older I get, the surer I’m sure that a freshly fresh tart teen virgin nubie is the only safe bet for a reliable spouse and mother. There is no longer a market or dowry custom in the west for marrying off virgins.”

Actually, the safe bet for today’s men is to think for themselves who to date and marry. Your track record for advice is not really good.

“It is the feminist’s M.O. to causate girls to be deflowered as young as possible so they ‘learn’ how to steer in and out of relationships. Some girls as young as 12 already have expert experience how to ghost and dump a young guy when they’re done with him – thanks to the feminists.”

That would be a Fake News Story.

“The golden age of MAN rumbles on the horizon where MAN returns to the throne and the patriarchal order of the ages will be laid down.”

Looming on the horizon is your future in science fiction.

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I’ll take it you are vested somehow in either the MSM or the establishment academia opinion mill.

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I’ll take it that you enjoy writing BS and portray it as the life you lead or have led.

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“You probably already know the woman who would make a great wife, but you’re passing her up to ride the male version of the carousel.”

Exactly why you are to blame in the end for adhering to ROK’s advice to pump and dump. Your father in particular did not properly teach you how to control your rutting instinct, and your failed to take your mother’s advice of marrying a “wholesome girl”.

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Lots of it stems from this idea that we have to have our lives in order (adventure, college, career) before we marry. The carousel does do damage to both men and women (although women suffer more because of increased emotional attachment). Guys become cynical about commitment, women become untrustworthy harlots.

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No. My parents were Baby Boomers who ran the house as if it were a prison. You think Baby Boomers are bad when you look at media? Try growing up in a house with them. Every detail of every girlfriend was picked over. I had musical talent so all the instruments were locked in the basement and I was banned from buying records. And so on. So, when I went to college, I sought FREEDOM and set out specifically NOT to recreate the family life I’d known, which I felt was claustrophobic and limiting. It was only later in life that I understood you could have a family life, but it didn’t have to be like the one you grew up in.

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Clearly you are blaming your father and mother for your own personal shortcomings. I suggest that you read Gorilla Mindset.

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I would suggest to find a girl not over 26-27 y of age, importantly coming from an intact and harmonious family with strong family values. She should have limited dating experience. Meet the parents first before committing in any serious way like marriage or pregnancy. Take a good look at her mother and feel out what kind of guy her father is and if u can relate and be on a friendly basis with him.

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I would suggest finding a young lady of similar age as yourself who has had extensive dating experience. Everything else you said is on the right track.

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And that would be a bad suggestion (milk, wine).

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Never let the deer teach you to hunt.

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Roosh, most of your article on this article reveal some wisdom.
However, Return of Kings has turned into Stormfront 2.0 , so I no longer bother with that site.
Roosh, maybe you allowed all this White supremacist and Anti-Semitic nonsense on ROk just to increase your readership? Or maybe you do it so that Stormcucks won`t object to the fact of you “stealing ” their oh-so-precious White women? One day you`ll have to honest with yourself…
ROk went down to dogs but this website is still reasonable. You can delet my comment bu that won`t change the truth…

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Funny thing about him is that if he went to some parts of Europe he would get jumped for being a mud stealing their women.

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I also stopped reading Return of Kings because of the “I’m not a racist but” articles.

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I agree with the points Roosh makes.

The only reason I can think of to marry these days is to have someone who will take care of you when you are old.

http://www.greyjabesi.com/lifestyle/ep30/

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Better marry a nurse and have a great pre-nup, I guess.

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Goddamnit Roosh, when I read “I have my first kid on the way with my beautiful traditional wife.” on the main page I had no idea that was a quote and thought that you were talking about yourself!

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Goddamnit Roosh, when I read “I have my first kid on the way with my beautiful traditional wife.” on the main page I had no idea that was a quote and thought that you were talking about yourself!!!

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bullshit arguments without a scientific, social foundation based on some sociopath’s views. such a verbal diarrhea

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Roosh this is advice specific for you. Will work for all readers nevertheless.

1) Marriage material
It is not about your wife or how many partners she had or if her parents are divorced etc etc – it does not matter if she is well educated or if she has a well paying job.

The only marker that matter is this:

Does she accept your natural role to lead and make ALL the important decisions for the two of you?

Is she happy, she no longer has to deal with financial issues because YOU are the one who manages not only your money but hers as well. If she wants something, she will come to you and you grant it to her or not.

You dont have to convince her to have children. You say you want 3 children and it is then her job to oblige. You get the point.

Now how to find such a woman. You dont.
You take hammer and chisel and make her into the woman you need.
It all depends on you. Everything else you read and hear are all excuses.
Society. Feminism. The law. All excuses for the weak. Dont fall for this crap.

About the details:
Legal marriage should not be the beginning. It is the end. She has to EARN it.
Have her as girl friend. If all is good – upgrade her and co-habitate for a while. Get a dog.
If this also is going well talk about children. Make clear she will be stay at home mom and raise your children (plural).

If you are like you will also make it clear that gaining weight and neglecting her sexy looks will lead to you kicking her out and/or fucking other girls. Be very open about it and mean it. Dont play a game here, just state a fact.

If she got your son and is a great wife and mother THEN comes the time when you consider to give ther the marriage she earned. Treat her with the loyalty and respect she deserves but punish every dis-respect. Punish with actions not words.

And last but not least make sure the sex it good and frequent. Depending on your sex drive it may be higher but once per week should be the absolute minimum and she should orgasm so hard that you can hear at across the street. This is not to be overlooked. If females dont have this emotional release they will, much like small children, cause trouble to alert you of them missing something.

Feel free to email me at [email protected] if you have questions or want to know why the f*ck i know all this. Hint: I do walk my talk.

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Let’s break this nonsense down.

“Does she accept your natural role to lead and make ALL the important decisions for the two of you?”

What you are describing here rarely happens in a marriage. My two uncles who both served in WW2, alpha males to the core, they didn’t take this approach. They led, but knew when to also enable their wives to take the wheel when necessary.

“Is she happy, she no longer has to deal with financial issues because YOU are the one who manages not only your money but hers as well. If she wants something, she will come to you and you grant it to her or not.”

No, the husband and wive are other than happy. It is best that financial aspects are mutually agreed upon. That is how a relationship stabilizes itself.

“You dont have to convince her to have children. You say you want 3 children and it is then her job to oblige. You get the point.”

That is horrifically POOR advice. It is the duty of both man and woman to figure out the number of offspring.

“If you are just a little like me, you will also make it clear that gaining weight and neglecting her sexy looks will lead to you kicking her out and/or fucking other girls. Be very open about it and do mean it. Dont play a game here, just state a fact.”

Except we know that men generally hit the wall much sooner than women.

“You take hammer and chisel and make her into the woman you need.”

Ok, hotshot, you will need to provide clear, convincing visual evidence that indeed you walk your talk. A YouTube video with you and your wife, with her explaining she does what she is told by you, is now required.

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Anti-gnostic. You are in phase 3 (out of 4) in seeing the truth.
Your hard shell of false social programming has a few cracks. Thats good.

When you are ready for the next stage you will start to slowly accept reality. And that is – what you consider poor advice because it is “not right” “my uncle did it different” “a woman wants to be equal and share responsibility etc etc” …well this advice does in fact work and is much better than the bullshit you have been force-fed all your life by society.

That said I am no preacher and you dont pay me. I have to prove you nothing but if you want to do yourself a favor feel free to use google and read some of the articles/posting/boards/comments on returnofkings and other places I have been providing for free over the years.

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“Your hard shell of false social programming has a few cracks. Thats good.”

Projection on your part. You have been fully indoctrinated by the red pill/blue pill meme.

“When you are ready for the next stage you will start to slowly accept reality. And that is – what you consider poor advice because it is “not right” “my uncle did it different” “a woman wants to be equal and share responsibility etc etc” …well this advice does in fact work and is much better than the bullshit you have been force-fed all your life by society.”

It is other than force fed and other than fantasy. I understand you want to escape from your own individual shortcomings. Along comes several manospherist shaman you say sweet nothings into your ear, and you are hooked.

“I have to prove you nothing…”

When you make a bold claim–you walk the talk–and then bow out of a challenge, it only demonstrates your impotence.

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She says, “Projection on your part. You have been fully indoctrinated by the red pill/blue pill meme.”

So accuse him of projection, and in the next sentence project her own perception on him. Very typical.

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Except we know that men generally hit the wall much sooner than women.

Here on this earth, it’s true that men generally die sooner than women but men hit the wall much much later than women, not sure how things are going at your planet of origin though.

Donald Trump was around 60and Melania Trump was around 35 when they got together, reverse their ages and they both won’t be able to have children.

Luciano Pavarotti was around 68 and Nicoletta Mantovani was around 34 when they got together, reverse their ages and both Alice Pavarotti & Riccardo Pavarotti wouldn’t have existed.

Sir Michael Philip Jagger was around 71 and ex ballerina Melanie Hamrick was around 27 when they got together, reverse their ages and Deveraux Octavian Basil Jagger wouldn’t have existed.

What you are describing here rarely happens in a marriage. My two uncles who both served in WW2, alpha males to the core, they didn’t take this approach. They led, but knew when to also enable their wives to take the wheel when necessary.

Yo two uncles both served in WW2??? Shhheeeeeeeiiiittt dawg…………..please give’em muh mad respect and fist bumps gnome saint?

The WW2 started almost 80 years ago, if your two uncles are still living then they must be centenarians or in their early 90s at the very least.

If your two uncles are in their early 90s then you as their niece must be in your 50s or perhaps even in your early 60s yourself!

So…..how’s yer eggs…..err I mean children are doing? LOL

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“Here on this earth, it’s true that men generally die sooner than women but men hit the wall much much later than women, not sure how things are on your planet of origin though.”

Men hit the wall just as bad as women.

“Donald Trump was around 60 and Melania Trump was around 35 when they got together, switch their ages and they both won’t be able to have children together.”

He had wealth and power. Big difference.

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Men hit the wall just as bad as women.

Why then many childless women are, for the lack of a better term, in panic mode when approaching 35? Some even went so far as freezing their eggs.

Some men can still father children when they are in their late 60s and early 70s as in the cases of Luciano Pavarotti and Sir Michael Philip Jagger.

You are either categorically delusional or simply in denial, walk the talk, try conceiving and giving birth to your first baby when you’re 60.

He had wealth and power. Big difference.

By ‘power’, I presume that you meant political power instead of physical power. If you meant physical power then whatever physical power the 60 YO Donald Trump had was yuuugely pale in comparison to the physical power possessed by an average 25 YO able-bodied man.

So, what political power has anything to do with fertility? Doesn’t the Queen of England have more wealth & political power than any female politician? Can the 91 YO Queen of England still conceive and give birth?

Hint: If you said yes then I have some bridges to sell to you, cheap.

Donald Trump was around 60 and Melania was around 35 when they got together, switch their ages and give the 60 YO Melania 500x more wealth than what Donald has, then let her fuck any 20 something stud of her choosing, she still won’t be able to conceive let alone give birth.

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“Why then many childless women are, for the lack of a better term, in panic mode when approaching 35? Some even went so far as freezing their eggs.”

Assuming that “hitting the wall” equates to having children.

“Some men can still father children when they are in their late 60s and early 70s as in the cases of Luciano Pavarotti and Sir Michael Philip Jagger.”

That’s not “hitting the wall”, that is man’s biological ability to sire offspring. “Hitting the wall” refers to a person’s physical looks.

“By ‘power’, I presume that you meant political power instead of physical power. If you meant physical power then whatever physical power the 60 YO Donald Trump had was yuuugely pale in comparison to the physical power possessed by an average 25 YO able-bodied man.”

Power, as in wealth, as in control, as in dominance.

You’re not that bright.

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Assuming that “hitting the wall” equates to having children.

If children are what a man wants then yes! What’s the point of marriage for a man who doesn’t want children of his own?

If a man wants children then why would he wanna marries over the hill women who can’t give him healthy children?

That’s not “hitting the wall”, that is man’s biological ability to sire offspring.

Unwittingly or otherwise, you just conceded that an average man has far more longevity than an average woman when it comes to having offspring.

“Hitting the wall” refers to a person’s physical looks.

Ah, rather than the family route in which fertility is paramount, you wanna go the PUA route in which looks and pump n’ dump are all that matters, ok.

Let’s see….strictly in terms of losing one’s hair then yes the average woman is far superior than the average man. But that’s about it, and at least with a 30 YO man, what’s you see is what you get. Not so with a typical 30 YO woman who hides her flaws buried beneath layers of make-up.

With money an average 40 YO man can secure sex or even marriage with a 24 YO woman. An average 40 YO woman can secure sex with a 24 YO man WITHOUT having to give him any money so yes in that sense an average 40 YO woman is superior than an average 40 YO man.

However, even with money an average 40 YO woman can not secure a marriage with a 24 YO man unless his name is Emmanuel Macron. LOL

A normal 24 YO man views 40 YO women as easy lays until she pulls the “I fall in love with you, let’s marry and raise a family” then he bolts for the door! Heck, even 40 YO men don’t want 40 YO women for marriage.

Power, as in wealth, as in control, as in dominance.

Exactly, with power a 60 YO Donald Trump can still father children. Now give the 60 YO Melania 500x more power than what Donald has, then let her fuck any 20 something stud of her choosing, she still won’t be able to conceive let alone give birth.

You’re not that bright.

If that’s true then as unsound and incoherent your arguments are, they would’ve long silenced me.

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OK, physical looks: I’m a straight guy, and I’d still rather fuck Pierce Brosnan than Kathleen Turner.

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Lulz. Wealth and power are entirely relative. A kind of in-shape guy with an income can always get a younger woman.

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that what it is about men smv is not only beauty, its personality, confidence, wealth, fertility.

a woman smv is first her look second her personality. if a man of 30 something have a middle class level wealth, and a bilionnaire woman of 66 year old was interested in him he will generaly decline her advence. even if she is funny if he is not attracted to her appearance, its not gonna work.

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Not marrying is fear talking. A man who has incorporated game into his repertoire will have identified and cleaned up areas of his life that are lacking. In an LTR, you must ramp back Alpha to about 60% of time. A 60/40 ratio is best. Women’s hind brains do not change once you marry. They still need to see you as the prize. Join you in building your legacy and be challenged by you to be worthy of your love and attention. It is a delicate dance but one men men with excellent game can succeed at. Tease unmercifully and remember… YOU ARE THE PRIZE. We are in a highly competitive league, lose frame and you lose the game. Guys get lazy, that’s when the trouble starts.

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“Not marrying is fear talking. A man who has incorporated game into his repertoire will have identified and cleaned up areas of his life..”

Oh for fucks sake, shut up. The current anti-male biased laws, combined with the fact that there is no female left that is wife material (their might be if one is willing to saddle up with a hefer) tells me you’re dumber than a sack of hammers. You married 23 years ago? Well I got news for ya, Chet, a LOT has happened to society in since you tide the knot.

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You are a hero to men and ahead of your time Roosh. However I sense your recent break-up and backsliding has admittedly affected this tepid article. Most of my life has been spent dedicated to discovering what was real, who I am and now finally getting what I want which could not be even attempted until the other two were solidly defined.

What I can tell you about is leadership. From the streets to the Army I have learned how to lead men, and by virtue small teams which include women. The latter I learned by testing theories in a series of scenarios where I risked life and limb to know how women really behave without knowing that someone was watching them.

The Army and reform schools taught me that the true leader guides by his very presence. It is not the threat of violence, real or implicit, or imagined consequences but his very being that encourages and even demands compliance and respect. We never followed the alpha because he was alpha. he was alpha because we followed him and we followed him because of what he was.

Women are not only no different, but they respond even more naturally to this dharma or way of being of the master. So your question is, “How Mr. Spartacus?” My answers are nothing new, though straightforward. First you must know who you are from balls-to-bone as state in The Matrix. Next you must know what you want.

Here is where most of these articles fall down especially Mr. Perilloux above. The quotes you have chosen are as soggy as a soup sandwich and show some unclear indirect stuff. Because I had not read the source material my response really stands on its own.

My statement is this, if you want a wife, you must decide what kind of family you want to join, for you are really being interviewed by a lineage for their daughter. If you want a quality woman you are going to have to submit to the interview of a mature alpha. That is what I am prepared for. I am making myself the best possible son-in-law for a lineage.

This is how you choose a woman, by her family. Maybe I will tell you more later, but it suffices to say that you must write the story of your life and then find the family that lives that way and be worthy of their daughters. For that will be a woman who respects men and wants a man like her father. That is your only chance together with God.

Study your culture’s religion and understand the science behind it. I recommend Protestant Christianity and no gay marriage or any such nonsense. If you go to a church with women ministers or gay marriage you are just a workhorse to them. You must be in a church that knows the idea patriarchal lineage.

My dream is coming true before my eyes and I am interviewing women. Each of them are presenting themselves to me, knowing that I am alpha and the leader of my pack. Hopefully one of them will shine enough and have a good enough family to meet my standards.

If not its banging them and having great experiences, but no ring on this finger.

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The dying alone meme. As if hard work and better research will prevent that. Unless you’re in a plane crash or car wreck, EVERYONE dies alone. Wifey will be home microwaving popcorn w/ her new man weeks after you’re buried, ‘if’ she even goes to your funeral.

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“EVERYONE dies alone. Wifey will be home microwaving popcorn w/ her new man weeks after you’re buried, ‘if’ she even goes to your funeral.”

Absolutely. The World still rotates after one dies.

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“The only downside he mentioned of not getting married is dying alone.”

Agree that fear needs to be overcome. I’m post 50, divorced 6 years ago. Just last month, I broke up with a girl who was almost the epitome of what I wanted in a relationship. A spark had faded though and it seemed like, even after not a long relationship, we were just friends.

I’d rather die alone than found myself to be settling.

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It might be me due to being a single kid, but what’s the big deal with being alone? As long as you have something to do or read you are ok. You can socialize with others if you wish as well, you are not limited to a wife.

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Everyone dies alone. Having a wife or kids won’t change a thing about that. When it happens (naturally) it will probably will be a quick 30 second heart attack. Your kids won’t be at home anyway, and your wife may just take a shit at that time.

+ is it worth to have a naggy bitch of a wife decades beside you so you have someone who is beside you when you die? you will probably want to suicide then anyway.

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Better to be alone than in bad company.

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If you don’t have kids evolution is weeding you out

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I have kids. I love them. But if I did not have kids, I would definitely have more choices in life, and when my time comes to die I could do so peacefully without worrying even a little bit about what I’m leaving behind. There’s something to be said for that option.

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But very few people would say they regret having kids and wish they could go back and undo it. It’s unnatural

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Roosh, I thoroughly agree with your points. Even seemingly traditional women have been brought up in a hot bath of feminism and all its attendant evils, and they will screw you over.

One tell that I’ve noticed in traditional women is if they get upset when you say something about women, such as “men are much more intelligent than women”. You have scratched the sisterhood, and if she is one of them she will bleed too, and tell you about it.

Short of Stepford wives there is no great answer for all this except to arrange one’s life so that all assets are in a corporate name, formed before the marriage, and be mentally prepared that if the sky falls, you will be a survivor and not her victim.

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Careful, Matamoros. In most US states, at least, putting assets in a corporate name doesn’t protect you. At best, any increase in value in the corporate shares owned by either spouse will be considered a marital asset, and that’s going to include the appreciation of assets that were owned by the corp prior to marriage and the full value of any assets acquired by the corp during the marriage. When you get divorced, you’re going to have to provide a financial disclosure under oath declaring all of your assets, so even if your wife never knew about the corp, you’d still have to declare the shares as an asset or risk going to prison for perjury.

Best plan is to just not get married at all, and don’t live in a palimony state. Of course, “The One” may not buy into that plan, but if you’re stuck on “The One” you’re doomed anyway.

If you simply can not resist getting married, make sure she keeps working in her career and be ready to pull the trigger on divorce as soon as it starts going sideways. Alimony is generally based on length of the marriage and income differential. If you’re exceptionally wealthy, be prepared for an exceptionally thorough legal screwing.

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The key to the corporate idea is that it must be set up before marriage, with all assets already in the corporation. She gains no entry into the corporation because it was already preexisting. Or so I understand.

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Nope, sorry man. I really don’t want to be argumentative, but the only way that works is if you don’t have any interest in the corp. It would have to be some kind of family trust that prohibited you from encumbering the underlying assets while allowing you use of the assets during your lifetime, and you would not be able to have any direct control of the assets in that kind of arrangement.

If you have a good pre-nup, you can exclude assets owned prior to the marriage, but you could do that anyway without the corp. Otherwise, at the very minimum, any increased value in the corp’s assets are going to become marital assets, and you’re going to end up splitting at least that with your ex-wife.

So let’s say you have a house that’s worth $500K when you get married. You put it in the name of the corp, then you get married. Now it’s 10 years later, and the house is worth $1 million. The value of your shares in the corp increased by $500K, and you’re going to split that with your ex, so you suddenly owe another $250K on the house to pay her off. You can extend that to every asset of the corp — real estate, bonds, equities, whatever.

The idea of protecting assets that would otherwise be considered marital assets by putting those assets into a corp seems on the surface to make sense, and it is something you’d naturally want to believe in. But in reality, it’s just a way to pay a lot of fees over the years and then get screwed out of your assets anyway.

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Roosh! Brother!

Find a suitable gal. Have kids!! And do it soon!

Yeah, divorce happens. But there are things you can do to protect yourself in that eventuality.

And even if it does crap out, you’ve got kids for the rest of your life.

Kids are the goal!! A legacy. Company in your old age. Graduations. Recitals. Holidays. Vacations. Grandkids.

A lifelong, happy marriage isn’t a realistic goal in our society. But don’t let that stop you from having little Rooshes!

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It’s easy enough to have kids without being married, and the ongoing financial commitment is generally limited to child support, which, presumably, you would have provided anyway. So why put her on the lifetime gravy train?

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glad roosh has the balls to write something like this

I am still very young but i know i would like to get married and have a few wives to bear my sons.

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Very well stated Roosh, thanks for the good analysis and points.

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True men don’t need this quiz to think for themselves whether or not to get married.

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True men don’t let other people tell them what the rules are for being a true man.

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He fails at the easiest red pill truths:

1# AWALT. There is no good and bad women. The best women can “turn” (show her actual self) after weeks, months, years.

2# Believing her stories about her past. He THINKS his wife is a virgin but I’m dead sure she isn’t. Of course she tells him what he wants to hear. She won’t tell him that she had a 3-some at college. She rationalizes it to herself, that it was her time of “experimenting” so it doesn’t count..

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Of course there is “good” and “bad” women.

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why would you want a wife? what a dumb idea