The Rise And Fall

The checkpoint in this video was nearly 50 miles north of the Mexican border, so it would have been utterly pointless in stopping illegal immigration.

The real purpose of these checkpoints is to condition Americans to get used to the police state.

You can read the guy’s blog here, which has other videos as well. Reading the comments though you get the feeling that he’s fighting a cause that most Americans don’t care about. Example:

I just have to give cuddos to the work that is being done by our Men and Women of Law Enforcement and Homeland Security. Where would be without them protecting us. The problem that people fail to remember is that without these people, immigration/drug smuggling/terrorists would be running our beautiful country. As a Homeland Police Officer myself we deal with the things others don’t want to and better yet, if some Hippie Scumbag has a problem with the work we do then move back to Mexico/Canada/or live on a deserted Island and get out of this Country that I love.

Whatever rights are being eroded, remember it can’t be done unless normal Americans like the border agents above or the bureaucrats with a law degree go along with it for a paycheck and a feeling of importance and power.

I was just doing my job.”

The authority / spying business is now too big to be stopped. The next twenty years is pretty much already set, regardless if you’re a Hillary or Obama fanboy (sorry Hillary fans).

If you’re stopped by police, here’s what to do. Note the article may be dated depending on whatever court decision or executive order is declared in upcoming weeks.

Did you know that if you leave the country with a laptop, border agents can randomly examine and search the contents of your hard drive and download files? If you resist then they can supposedly deny you entry back into the country. I don’t know if I have the balls to find out if that’s true or not. Courts ruled this legal on the defense that the data on your computer is the same as something you’d carry in your suitcase.

“Sir the girl in this Dirty But Innocent porn clip sure looks young. Can you verify she is 18 years of age?”

I took pictures of Rio’s beaches and in one of the picture was a four-year-old boy laying on the sand. He had a speedo on like many of the adults. How about if an agent saw that picture, what would he think? I deleted the picture before I hopped on the plane home. I lose, terrorists win, etc.

Yeah I know what you’re thinking. I’m being too “paranoid.” Hey, it’s not paranoia if they’re scanning your emails and telephone calls. But who cares as long as we can fill up our cars with cheap g…

How come no one is talking of the staggering outflow of money leaving the country every month to finance a society built around the automobile? South American cities like Santiago and Rio de Janeiro put Washington DC’s public transportation to shame. Sure in Rio your chances of being robbed on a bus at night is 100 times greater, but at least there is a bus at night. The Metro is a joke with buses that come ever 30 or 40 (!) minutes on main arteries with no Sunday service.

Spend the next ten minutes of your life reading this fascinating article, by the author of a book that just came out called Reinventing Collapse. It paints the case how the collapse of the USSR will be benign compared to the US collapse. And please no “The United States will never collapse” wishful thinking. Every empire collapses (a book I’m reading now is in fact called Collapse). It probably won’t happen in our lifetimes but it will happen.

Or will it?

I have 30% of my net worth in foreign currencies, the Yen, Franc, and Krohn. The end game for every fiat currency is hyperinflation, but which currency will bust first? I’m betting it’s not Japan (this is a little arguable), Switzerland, or Norway. Are you prepared if the dollar falls through the floor and your hard-earned savings is wiped out? Most people in Argentina weren’t prepared.

The Communist party offered just one bitter pill. The two Capitalist parties offer a choice of two placebos. The latest innovation is the photo finish election, where each party buys 50% of the vote, and the result is pulled out of statistical noise, like a rabbit out of a hat.

“If voting could change anything they’d make it illegal.”

There is nothing on the horizon that gives me hope about where this country, or the world, is headed. I watch my back and believe nothing my government tells me.

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I too resent that we live in a police state which allows you to safely ride your bike home at 3:00 in the morning. We should all move to free places and be done with it. Course, we’d have to figure out the whole riding buses during the daytime only because night-time buses are raided by bandits (and the police are on the take). You went to South America as a tourist. Try going there to live.

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“The checkpoint in this video was nearly 50 miles north of the Mexican border, so it would have been utterly pointless in stopping illegal immigration.

The real purpose of these checkpoints is to condition Americans to get used to the police state.”

That doesn’t even make any sense. Illegal immigrants get in trucks a few miles after they cross the border and then are driven many miles to other cities, often where they have jobs/people waiting for them. These routes they take are well known and sparsely traveled, so border patrol can set up checkpoints (50!!!) miles away from the border and still have meaningful checkpoints. Look at the number of roads going North above the I-10/I-8 line from the Mexican border through Arizona, you can almost count them on one hand (there are 6).

And is this “government conspiracy to create a police state” true with drunk driving checkpoints too? FYI, any random stop checkpoint can be set up as long as it is advertised at least a day ahead of time.

You make a lot of vague points here without backing them up: “Or will it?”. If I bought into these scare tactics I think I’d be letting the terrorists win, as you put it.

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“FYI, any random stop checkpoint can be set up as long as it is advertised at least a day ahead of time.”

Man you’re a dumbfuck.

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Having lived abroad, most recently in Israel, where there is a man with a loaded automatic weapon (and a bare minimum of a high school education) at every entrance to every public doorway, I often had visions of the US heading this way, too. To the above comment, I would have to ask, isn’t it interesting to note that the most corrupt and dangerous places in the world also have the most corrupt and dangerous governments? What’s the correlation? Clearly this isn’t about one being able to ride one’s bike at 3am. This is a freedom that is a fundamental right of all human beings. Lest we forget that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Lest we also forget the open door and democratic principles upon which this nation was founded.

Cheers.

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Yea, I mean this is all obviously a bunch of nonsense. People come here to seek your expert advice on woman and travel. Your opinion on these matters is ill informed and nobody really cares. I mean it’s your blog, so do what you want, but understand what you’re doing at least.

I think there’s a valid point in saying that if you don’t like the way things are here, effect change or move. Both are very real options. You can effect change in other ways than the ballot box. Shit, have some balls and be a subversive, militant revolutionary. Or move. You won’t do either because shit here just isn’t that bad.

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DChero – you know nothing to very little about how coyotes work. You think they don’t have people scouting out the locations where the roving checkpoints are? You think they don’t know the routes to avoid? They’re just stupid little Mexicans who wander in with a hope and a prayer and cross their fingers that they hit the right road?

All this does is force illegals to walk a little farther, or spend a few extra days in a rundown motel until the checkpoint has moved. You’re clueless if you think that a checkpoint at 50 miles from the border is going to stop an illegal from coming in. It just exagerates the cat and mouse game.

These checkpoints are set up to make Americans THINK that Homeland Security is doing its job.

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Rajia – As opposed to what exactly? I agree that policing a 1,969 mile border is difficult to impossible. What’s your suggestion?

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The U.S. isn’t an empire, genius. This is about as informative as the 9/11 conspiracy or UFO nonsense.

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As opposed to legitimate immigration reform. My point is not that we don’t need any border security. My point is that having checkpoints “for show” is a waste of money and a hassle for the legitimate American citizens and legal immigrants who are passing those roads.

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I agree. President Bush and John McCain tried to pass reasonable immigration reform. Personally I support unlimited immigration, barring necessary security and background checks.

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Ever been to a real police state? Not just reading about one in the Washington Post or the New York Times?

Here’s a hint to the colossal logical error in your ways: Vaclev Havel, who you might want to Wikipedia – since that’s the depth of your IR knowledge, is on the side of the ‘freedom agenda’ of this President. I, for one, don’t support said freedom agenda, but it is a stark counterexample to the road to tyranny you are enumerating.

Havel, as a moral cf. political leader, and the leadership teams of almost every country in Eastern Europe excluding Belarus (a real police state in case you were looking for an example), spent their entire lives fighting against a real police state.

You’re just defining fascism down with your lazy thinking.

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Michael – absolutely agree with you, and any real capitalist, or libertarian would too.

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Rajia – And I pride myself in being both.

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Interestingly enough, I noticed that Roosh both supports the cause of liberty when it comes to his outcry against our so-called ‘police state’, and yet admonishes it when discussing our addiction to foreign oil, which is primarily an effect of the free market.

Are you for liberty or against it, Roosh? Or have you just not taken the time to form a coherent opinion on the issue?

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Rajia, you agree with Michael about bringing down the walls of immigration. I agree with that too. But it totally disregards the drug trafficking aspect of this, which I suspect is the main (though stated as auxiliary) goal of these checkpoints.

I’m guessing you’ll probably suggest the tired “legalize drugs!!1” argument where we exchange drug violence for higher illegal drug usage rates. Decriminalizing users is one thing, decriminalizing traffickers is another thing.

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dchero – First, I do think drugs should be legalized, and certainly that users should be decriminalized, but that’s unrealistic.

More importantly, you think the goal of the checkpoints is drug interdiction? So you think they’re smuggling hundreds of tons of narcotics via pick-up trucks and sedans? They SHIP the drugs in the trucks that carry $200 billion worth of legal Mexican exports to the US every year. Some get stopped and most don’t. This isn’t some state secret; it was in Traffic for godsakes.

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So the guys smuggling Mexican ranchhands at $1800 a pop are smart enough to radio ahead to see where the checkpoints are, but the drug smugglers with millions of dollars of cargo aren’t?

I don’t have a particularly strong opionion on legalization of drugs. Small quanitities of almost all drugs are now legal in Mexico, and I wonder if its had any effect on their useage rates. Not sure if you pay attention to the crap Calderon has gotten himself into trying to shut down these cartels, but there are A LOT of dead people as a result. I’d be more inclined to support a cooperative agreement with the US-Mexican government to cut this off at the knees, as opposed to just applying pressure over the gaping wound.

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Roosh, reading this makes me REALLY think you need to get out of DC A.S.A.P. Please broaden your reading lists to include more then hyper-leftist tripe. You’re a smart guy, you would enjoy getting other points of view.

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what an oppressive society….traveling for 6 mos, not working, writing books about getting laid, week long excursions to vegas, and still having extra cash lying around to diversify into foreign currencies…. and living in the capitol too… nice

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Oh, and if you ever watch Univision, there was a great episode of Aqui y Ahora, that delved into the corruption of border agents. You can have as many checkpoints as you want, but if you’ve got Jose from Houston working the stop, and he’s offered a stack of cash, and his parents came here illegally (so maybe he’s got a chip on his shoulder in the first place)…well, probably not much of a border agent.

There was even one border agent who was AN ILLEGAL MEXICAN that had bought papers in Chicago. He had garnered hundreds of thousands of dollars for turning a blind eye at his station. They are so desperate for people who speak Spanish that they don’t even do a decent job of background checking their applicants.

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Well Roosh it looks like every single one of your commenters thinks you’re an idiot on this subject. Surely you could have seen this coming. Left-wing liberal hand wringing is beta.

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Wow, there is some serious hate up in hrrrrrrr, I predict this will probably hit at least 55 comments today….

So did anyone see that Obama speech last night or what….

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So why did you come back again?

Norway is definitely not going to collapse. Too much $$ there and they’ve been very smart investors

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actually Collapse is not a bad title for a sequel to Bang.
in fact it could be a guide to game in a post-apocalyptic world.

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Wow haterrrs of the blogosphere unite!
Roosh’s blogs have always had a libertarian strain with a deep distrust of authority and a deeper resentment for arrogance and entitlement. America these days (as in many past days) is full of a lot of all three, authority, arrogance and entitlement. Don’t paint this as lefty liberalism. I know plenty of lefty liberals who would disagree with Roosh and continue to bash the current state of affairs in similar terms.

I am not sure if Roosh has any middle ground on the mistrust of authority, I think authority is not all bad. I also hope he sees that plenty of people of all ideologies are not as arrogant and entitled as he has found in everyday America’s consumer-driven pampered lives.

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I helped EFF write their (losing) amicus brief in U.S. v. Arnold, the laptop border search case. You should know that deleting your picture of that sexy little boy may not even help. In one of the other laptop border search cases, the government used a forensic program to undelete everything on a guys computer, and found (as always) child porn. United States v. Romm, 455 F.3d 990 (9th Cir. 2006).

Anyway, I agree pretty much everything you say in this post. When I actually start getting paid in four months or so, you can bet that a good chunk of it is going into foreign investments, at least until our economy collapses and I no longer have a job.

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what I mean by that is, if the USA sucks, why did you come back from your trip early?

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I’m glad these guys weren’t around when we left Argentina when I was a little boy.

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Rajia, you’re saying the current policies/methods are failing, which is more than obvious, but you don’t propose anything better. That’s called Democrating.

Maybe we should just not have a border. Let’s remove all border crossings and let people come and go as they please. If that’s the argument you’re trying to make, stop beating around the bush, make the argument, and back it up.

Michael, I hate to break it to you but police “stopping some with most getting away with it” is how almost every crime is, from larceny to trafficking.

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Metro buses run on sundays.

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dchero – I think Rajia and I both DID pose a solution: eliminate immigration restrictions unless security related.

I’m not sure what you’re “breaking” to me. Your point was that apparently cops stopping pick-up trucks is meant to interdict drugs. My point is that drugs are transported on 16 wheelers. Even when they get searched and the drugs are caught, it happens rarely enough that they don’t care.

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if there’s gonna be an american collapse it’ll be caused primarily by two negative forces acting in concert:

mass unskilled immigration in the tens of millions from a single poor country culturally distinct from the american heritage, and
peak oil.

if you really want to see the shit hit the fan, wait until gas is $40/gal. you won’t be alone on your 3AM bike rides by then.

katcher:
I think Rajia and I both DID pose a solution: eliminate immigration restrictions unless security related.

this is why libertarians have no political power.

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Roissy – yes, because the general electorate doesn’t understand economics. I already said, it’s an unrealistic solution that would never be accepted by an unintelligent, xenophobic electorate, but it’s the correct solution. A simpler solution is amnesty and registration coupled with a path to citizenship after back-taxes and fines are paid.

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It’s official now. Roosh reads reddit.

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As for peak oil, it certainly won’t cause a collapse. And I’m saying this not as an unbeliever but as a true believer whose known about peak oil long before it became fashionable. It will certainly cause big, long-term changes, and possibly painful economic dislocation in the short-term, but it certainly won’t cause a collapse. There is no current use of oil that cannot be replaced. It won’t happen overnight and it won’t happen cheaply, but there’s no question that it will happen.

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Michael – who pays for the unrestricted immigrants? 20 years ago Olive View Hospital (north of Los Angeles) was delivering 700+ babies per month to Mexican nationals all entering the country illegally. How many do you think that one county hospital is delivering now?

Almost all of those women stayed in Mexico until they went into labor and then drove straight from Tiajuana to the hospital. Why did they do this? Because their child was now eligible for welfare and Medicaid! It was money in their pocket. They worked our system and took their child back to Mexico. Cousin Maria (who filed for amnesty) sends them their monthly checks since they use her U.S. mailing address.

Who is supposed to pay for these kids born here simply for the money? Are you going to change the rules so they can’t get the public entitlements? What will you change the rules to?

Also, define what you mean by “security related” in your statement “Eliminate immigration restrictions unless SECURITY related”. That’s pretty vague.

What do YOU consider a security threat? Someone arrested in their own country for battery? Does it matter if it was last week versus 10 years ago? How about a convicted drug trafficer? Are they okay as long as they never pulled a gun on someone? A known member of a terrorist organization? Does it matter if they’ve been CONVICTED of a terrorist crime or just SUSPECTED of plotting to drop a dirty bomb on the DC area?

How are you going to do background checks on people who’s country doesn’t keep background information on them?!?!?!

How long of a wait for a background check do you think is reasonable? How much money should the U.S. put out per year to do background checks for these non-citizens? Should the non-citizens reimburse the U.S.?

What about those immigrants coming in with nasty diseases like SARS? Drug resistant tuberculosis? Is that consider security related? They aren’t criminals, so do you let them in regardless of what may happen?

What about the schools? Should they be required to hire only multilingual teachers so that every student from a foreign country can be spoken to in their primary language? Where will you find these wonder-instructors? Or should the regular english speaking teachers just go through the curriculum at a pace slow enough for the ESL students to understand, but that isn’t fast enough to get through any of the state standards in a school year?

How is your concept of hit and miss background checks on immigrants any different then the DEA catching only a percentage of drugs shipped on 16 wheelers from Mexico?

So now really, are you for unlimited immigration or against it, Michael? Or have you just not taken the time to form a coherent opinion on the issue?

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Jeanne – Yes, now really, I am for unlimited immigration. I’m not some crazy partisan of either stripe and I do take time to consider my positions. I’m sorry to disappoint you because I can tell you’re very proud of your anecdotal diatrabe that you spent many angry minutes pounding out at your keyboard.

First, you muddle many issues all together. Your logic is, well, feminine. If migrant workers were allowed to come here under guest worker programs, that would eliminate the vast majority of the flow of illegals. That would make patrolling the border much easier. Either way, your story sounds like nonsense. How are these pregnant Mexican woman getting across the border without a passport?

As for security threats, I am no expert on the matter, so I cannot suggest specific perscriptions. I do know that somehow we’ve managed to do it so far with people from many other countries and even an imperfect system of checks is better than the complete absence of checks that currently exists for illegals.

As for education, of course we shouldn’t have multilingual teachers. My German grandfather’s teacher didn’t speak German, nor did my Russian great-grandfather’s teacher speak Russian. I see no reason to offer multilingual education and generations of immigrants have gotten by without it so I don’t really see the problem.

As for the costs of the system, again I’m not an expert on this area of policy but if the costs are low enough per person, it could be included in the application fee, and if they aren’t, well then the economic benefits to this country of immigration labor will vastly outweigh the costs.

I’ll happily go point for point with you as my workload is light today, so please don’t think that an angry, incoherent, lengthy post will beat me into admitting you’re right.

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Roissy – yes, because the general electorate doesn’t understand economics.

and economists don’t understand human nature.

in the end, human nature will always beat “rational” economic theorizing.

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Roissy – I see that you have the same trouble with logic that your female commenters have, for which you berate them so often. You make a vague, unprovable statement that isn’t directly related to the discussion and try to affect an air of victory.

Economics states that immigration keeps inflation down, median population down, and provides a steady stream of younger workers to pay for the ridiculous entitlements our government offers. What part of “human nature” “beats” that rational theory?

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“mass unskilled immigration in the tens of millions from a single poor country culturally distinct from the american heritage,”

Like, say, the Irish.

“and peak oil.”

Peak coal is here to stay!

“if you really want to see the shit hit the fan, wait until gas is $40/gal.”

I guess it will be a dark day when we’re all fielding Bussard reactors.

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Also Roissy, the only kind of American girl who suffers much less from the sterotypical American girl problems is first generation immigrants. Most times, their parents will instill proper female values in them. Me, I went Persian, but the same is true of a hot Latina. You should be excited.

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11 more people….11!!!!

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Is my math bad, or is it 14 more? Well, 13 now…

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If you eliminate welfare benefits, which is also part of the libertarian stance, then no one pays for the immigrants but the immigrants themselves.

Additionally, if workers were allowed to travel back and forth from Mexico, or whereever they come from, there would be no need to bring your wife and children here in the first place. Many families would prefer to live in their home country, but they do not want to spend 3, 4, 5 or 10 years apart. If an immigrant worker can travel home and return easily once every six months or a year, there would be far fewer immigrant families living here.

When the US’s borders were essentially open and immigration was unlimited(which it was up until the mid 1900s by the way) immigrants had to be tested for communicable diseases and prove they could write. That’s it.

As far as mass, low-paid, unskilled labor – that is what the market demands, and it has always demanded it. Capitalism REQUIRES it. Througout history, immigrants have come in waves from different regions providing workers in various “unskilled” arenas, from Chinese railroad workers to Irish dock workers or Italian construction workers. It’s nothing new. However, I would argue that carpenters, brick layers, welders…are not unskilled. If you can do any of those things on your own, I’d be shocked.

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“Economics states that immigration keeps inflation down, median population down, and provides a steady stream of younger workers to pay for the ridiculous entitlements our government offers.”*

*citation needed

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44: Intuitively, if Q_Labor increases, the price will decrease and utilization will increase.

The median age argument is simple statistics. Crowding a number of observations at the left of the median will pull the median to the left…

Finally, illegals can not draw upon social security, yet they are paying contributions into the program. I don’t believe it is more than a drop in the bucket (tens of billions cf. the lifetime legacy cost of SSI in the trillions), but it is demonstrable.

As for my previous remarks, I extend the reference to the Irish and include “Italians” and “Greeks.”

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rcr – I’m not going to go trawling for a good Internet source for common economic knowledge but I’ll breakdown the basics of it real quick.

Inflation – Greater supply of workers lowers wages. Wages are the greatest driver of inflation. Hence, lots of immigration keeps inflation down.

Median Population/Younger Workers – People who immigrate are of working age and on average younger the median age in America. This is why America doesn’t have the same problems of an aging population in a welfare state that Europe has to some degree and Japan to an even greater degree.

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Yes, the Greeks!

I’m so tired of hearing romantic arguments about people’s ancestors who came here legally (when there were no immigration laws, by the way) and how they all came in search of a better life, wanting to be Americans so deep down in their hearts. It’s well known that MANY MANY immgirants from Europe came with the impression that they would return to their country. Look up Birds of Passage. And they lived in dirty tenaments. They spoke their own language and covered their stores in their home country’s flags. They even had newspapers printed with their home country’s news in their home country’s language.

Face it, the majority of our ancestors were just as dirty, culturally nonintegrated, and uneducated as the mexicans who are here today.

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By the way, I don’t think Mexicans are dirty…I was just stating comments I’ve heard from vehement anti-immigration people.

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Ironic, Irish ‘nativists’ playing the role of Bill the Butcher today, no?

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And I can’t even tell you how many illegal, overstayed my visa so I can paint houses, Irish boys are sitting in pubs in Boston’s Southie, or Sunnyside/Woodside Queens, right now. Too numerous to imagine. And they STILL live 8 to an apartment. I even knew a guy that lived in a closet under the stairs.