The Rise Of The Mini-Relationship

When Bang first came out, a lot of guys told me they were buying it in order to get a girlfriend. They saw game as a short term adjustment in order to land the girl they wanted for eventual marriage. Their main complaint of the book was that it didn’t have enough relationship advice.

Fast forward to today and I don’t get nearly as many emails from guys expressing their desire for girlfriends or marriage. In the past, game used to be seen as a means to an end, but I see a shift where now game is the end. Many guys just want to fuck a lot of women for an extended period of time. They seek more to imitate rock stars than stable family men.

The main reason for this shift is that there is little incentive for men to choose monogamy, which used to be a requirement for regular sex. But now women are volunteering to be in harems. Players only need to send a terse text message with improper grammar to get women to come over for sex.

It’s actually less energy intensive to maintain a harem of two or three girls than a real relationship with one girl who expects much more from a boyfriend than—as one American girl put it to me—a “consistent hookup.” Compare that to my experience in Ukraine, where acquiring pussy was labor intensive and one-night stands were tough. I quickly got into a relationship, not because I was retiring from the game, but to maintain the consistent sex frequency I desired. I made a decision based on local market forces that had nothing to do with any change in my character or goals.

Feminism has done an amazing job of turning pussy into a commodity, not unlike internet bandwidth. I remember it used to cost me $10 per gigabyte over ten years ago to host a web site, but now it’s just a few cents. If a company today offered a hosting plan at 2002 prices, they would go out of business. Today you have many women pricing their pussy at 1960 levels when the current market value—in the form of a man’s cost per notch—is approaching $0. Too many girls are giving it away for free because it has become free.

The market has a strange way of setting the correct price and then dictating efficient behavior for all participants, which in today’s terms come in the form of men avoiding relationships in favor of casual, no-effort sex. Those who artificially inflate the value of pussy (beta males and white knights) will unfortunately not be able to obtain it at true value pricing. They are the losers who purchase garbage IPO stock at the peak after Goldman Sachs already cashed in its profit.

You’ll find real men increasingly use women for sex and light companionship for short time periods, between one to six months. When the cost of renting (of being the consistent hookup) becomes too high, and the woman demands that the man purchase her pussy in the form of a commitment, he will discard her and enter another mini-relationship. The player will only purchase the pussy when renting becomes too difficult, like happened to me in Ukraine, but even that was self-limiting as over time I became more knowledgeable of the local market.

The guy who overpays via marriage thinks that the inflated payment more than compensates for his need to have children or not to be alone, but since his purchase is a downpayment for what is a depreciating asset, he will find it necessary to move very large sums of money, in the form of his time and labor, into maintaining the initial purchase that can’t possibly hold its value. It’s not unlike buying a house at the top of a bubble.

Relationships have more to do with economics than love. If the price of your current pussy fluctuates out of your favor, turn in your rental to get a different pussy that gives more value. Have fun with your current pussy: go on a little trip with her, snuggle with her after stretching her out, let her cook for you, and then when maintenance costs rise, toss her aside for a newer model. America today is a renters market. As a matter of fact, I see a lot of used models in good condition coming onto the showroom floor right now.

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Spoos in August
7 years ago

Even for guys who want to have kids, marriage is a really, really bad deal. Between the end of monogamy and the trend of increasing parental age, our demographic destiny is hurtling toward us.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago

By, guys, you mean losers don’t you?

michelin
michelin
7 years ago

i believe mini-relationships will become socially acceptable over time. Eventually it will become a side-dish or side-car to the main relationship, which will continue to exist

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  michelin

They are hardly actual “relationships” with most people

JL02
JL02
7 years ago

I agree that feminism has brought us to this juncture, and that it is sexual utopia for guys who know Game. My question, though, is this: is the underlying assumptions of this post (most modern females have made a commodity of themselves, therefore humans are something like a commodity) correct, or Good? More specifically, is it in tune with our fundamental human nature? Did our ancestors struggle to pass forward their jeans for the sake of a sterile sexuality? Does the family unit, seen as a good across many times and many environments, point to some deeper truth about the universe? I believe it does – the Greek and Christian concept of Logos. Maybe I am wrong, but I do think there is metaphysical significance in the facts that 1). only non-sterile coitus continues the species 2). kids need both parents, in the home

That our current situation is fucked as a society does not mean that our households have to be

Shmalkandik
Shmalkandik
4 years ago
Reply to  JL02

” their jeans” or”their genes”. I have no hand me down Wranglers from my grandparents. Pity, too, because I’m sure they would have been better made than the imported Chinese crap I see in stores.

Robert Hagedorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Shmalkandik

It’s too bad JL02 misspelled “genes.” His post is intelligent. There is something disgusting, shallow, and very beta about a man’s purpose in life being to find a warm hole for dicky boy. Why not just use an exhaust pipe on a car immediately after shutting off the engine? Some petroleum jelly may be necessary. Men are masturbating themselves with vaginas and women are doing same with penises. It’s all entertainment. Whee! Cheap thrills as Muslims take over the world.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  JL02

Speak for your self. I’m repulsed by it despite having a silver tongue

That_one_guy
That_one_guy
3 years ago
Reply to  Bongstar420

Yeah, I hate “game” and PUA tactics, but I use them to get laid, cause they work.

That_one_guy
That_one_guy
3 years ago
Reply to  Bongstar420

And the fact that they work makes it hard to respect women, not that it’s the only reason.

YoungZari
YoungZari
3 years ago
Reply to  That_one_guy

I agree completely with both of your comments.

Brandon
Brandon
7 years ago

wait, are my posts being moderated?

[Roosh: WordPress thinks you’re spam.]

Vb
Vb
7 years ago

Well said.

Virgle Kent
7 years ago

this is deep on so many levels. I wonder how long it takes most guys/girls to figure this out?

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Virgle Kent

The age of 40…which is why I have never banged someone below the age of 30

Red Pill
Red Pill
7 years ago

Women have totally devalued the vagina. Roosh, your comparison to equities was spot on and a good analogy.

It’s like what Tom Leykis says about women. They are like cars that you should lease, run over a few speed bumps, and when the new car smell is gone and they start squeaking you trade ’em in for a new model.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Red Pill

Vagina never had any value outside of the lack of supply.

Now you can get a sex doll that would be as good of a fuck as many hot women.

Indian guy
Indian guy
7 years ago

Hello Roosh and Alles,

I am an Indian guy with Persian ancestry,I am doing Ok in terms of my career, I am studying my masters in ETH zurich, recently I got approached by a Masters student for a Date , sadly i spoiled my chance as i was very confused .I am not even sure what to do.

I have only 3 chances so far in my life and all of them are indian girls,mostly impressed by my average Tech skills.

Never got laid from Foreign girls and during date she insisted to come to her room, i took courage and took that chance but i spoiled it as i have told her that i never had and intimate with a foreign women .

When conversation went a bit intimate in our Date i became shy, its an accidental date as she just invited me to party but i found that she is alone.

She is a Masters student older than me , somewhere over 26 i think.

I 25 year of Indian guy, I became extremely nervous.

She is good looking Italian girl doing in her first semester at ETH zurich.

Lately found out your blog.

Will read as much as possible to learn something .

I have tried to approach her next day but she became extremely irritated ,I have no idea why.

jim hampton
jim hampton
5 years ago
Reply to  Indian guy

Shove your boner in her face.

Pablo Escobar
Pablo Escobar
4 years ago
Reply to  Indian guy

U sound like a white knight mangina mate. Stuff her with some cock dude she likes u

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Pablo Escobar

I will when she admits to it

😉

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Indian guy

Go back to grammar school.

2koonet
2koonet
7 years ago

I figured out the mini-relationship dynamic some years ago. It’s perfect. As soon as the honeymoon phase starts to end and the drama meter starts creeping into the red, I bounce. I figure that 10 minis over say 5 years is bound to be much more interesting than one relationship lasting 5 years. By the way, I’ve mentioned this concept to women and almost all have found it an uncomfortable and disconcerting one. It seems they find the whole idea disempowering, which is precisely the point.

marthaz
marthaz
4 years ago
Reply to  2koonet

wow, you need to disempower women to feel special. what a guy

Shmalkandik
Shmalkandik
4 years ago
Reply to  marthaz

I would have thought it prudence to disarm a known potential enemy before proceeding with any form of intercourse, social or otherwise. Women inform us in loud, shrill, hissy-fit tones that ‘men are scum’, ‘all men are rapists’, ‘all sex is rape’ – what is one to conclude except these creatures are the enemy?

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Shmalkandik

You stick your penis into hostile territory?

That sounds like a bad strategy

Shmalkandik
Shmalkandik
4 years ago
Reply to  Bongstar420

IF that’s what I did, that would indeed be bad strategy.
But, for some men, seemingly, they prefer the risk to celibacy.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  marthaz

So being realistic about “relationship” outcomes is “disempowerment” for women..

Makes sense. Thanks for the perspective. Its very elucidating.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  2koonet

I’d imagine that all the women you are talking to are morons. Its statistically likely

CruisenChubby
CruisenChubby
7 years ago

Rooshiepups-

Love the financial analogy. Tis true, tis true.

Pussy is nothing more than an industry bubble bursting. Right now, it is trading for pennies on the dollar- a few choice words will put a poon stock in your portfolio.

It would be a very tough road for women to pump that price back up to acceptable levels (for women).

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  CruisenChubby

Nope…It still way over priced. I wouldn’t even notice the two considers most attractive…this means actual attractive women get even more attempts which translates to higher prices.

If pussy were cheap, the female messages would look like the males.

Notice, a 5 female gets more attention than a 8-9 male.

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

The desire, borderline obsession, to have children makes this mini-relationship thing difficult for me. I still believe the best household to raise kids in includes a father and mother. Unfortunately, the idea of children juxtaposed with the reality of potential mates is depressing.

I am somewhat lucky that my current mate shows real promise. But she has been the exception (which is why she is still my current). So fellas, keep doing your thing until someone comes around, if ever, that might be worthy of your seed.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Monogamy is killing breeding potential for me. 3 wives would be much easier for me to commit to because 3 average women would be about 20x easier to procure than 1 woman who is my peer or nearly so. In fact, I would be far more accepting of female desires if monogamy weren’t imposed on me.

Todd
Todd
7 years ago

Has anyone ever met a good looking feminist?

Me neither and what does that tell you?

throwaway
throwaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Todd

I met one, but she denied being a feminist and put out on the first date. Once I got to know her though she had totally feminist attitudes, probably due to a fucked up childhood. (She didn’t make that connection herself but she showed me all the puzzle pieces.) But even for this nutjob she wouldn’t identify as a feminist because she was aware she was very good looking. Shrug.

Gabriele
Gabriele
7 years ago

You know, i think that it’s useless then to be in a relationship with a girl who fucked around a lot and who’s easy, since you could have that girl even without committing. I really Hope to find a nice family girl, but i don’t think i’ll find her here (I’m swiss); in The next years i’ll travel to South America and some estern european countries, where girls can still play The girls and make you feel a man.
Thanks for your posts And books Roosh,go on like this=)

jim hampton
jim hampton
5 years ago
Reply to  Gabriele

Don’t forget about the barnyard.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Gabriele

I’d rather a very experienced woman that is sexually cheap…then she can actually determine my value accurately

thowaway
thowaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Bongstar420

Good strategy.

visionary
visionary
7 years ago

im still shorting the price of pussy stock , it hasnt bottomed yet, a final deep selloff will come when western society collapses in weimar decadence and high inflation brought on to monetize the massive debt, even high class women will be giving it away for a pittance. After the collapse the price of pussy will go into a steady climb as feminism is mauled and hard core racist men reassert their power after a long absence, lawyers will be sent into the fields to pick potatoes, psychologists will be hung up on lamp posts, the homosexuals will flee to rural retreats.

RileyDeWiley
RileyDeWiley
4 years ago
Reply to  visionary

Still waiting for this. Eagerly.

Shmalkandik
Shmalkandik
4 years ago
Reply to  visionary

Third Rule of Acquisition – never pay more for any purchase than you have to. A little more Ferengi wouldn’t do us any harm. Who has already written the article on this theme? I can’t be the first one to have thought of it.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Shmalkandik

Sounds retarded

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  visionary

The US debt is like $40k per person…..Doesn’t seem like much to me. Plus, we are talking about something that can literally just disappear if the computers fail.

Are you that you aren’t projecting your desires rather than making accurate projections?

BB
BB
3 years ago
Reply to  Bongstar420

The Federal debt is 20 trillion, pop: 315M or $62k per citizen. A better metric is $250k per family. (only 100M people work, rest are children, retired, ill or imprisoned). And that’s just national debt. Add on state, municipal, mortgage, auto, student, credit, consumer debts. Quickly becomes unmanageable, eh?

Boz
Boz
7 years ago

Women have only themselves to blame.

marthaz
marthaz
4 years ago
Reply to  Boz

for what, not being chained to losers like you and your ilk? I’d say that’s a reward, not a punishment.

James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  marthaz

The question is, why do women go for what I consider losers so much? Why do women ask the musical question, “Where have all the good men gone?” Why don’t they ask the corollary question, “What good man who is truly good would want a slutty whore?”

marthaz
marthaz
4 years ago
Reply to  James

If you really think women are being treated badly in relationships because they’re “slutty whores” or presenting themseIves as such, I think you might want to do some introspection, and maybe get out more and observe people in actual relationships. Most of what is spouted on this site is highly fictionalized and bears no resemblance to actual relationships between men & women in the real world.

James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  marthaz

I will grant that a lot of the “manosphere” is emotional rhetoric and not scientific analysis. But relationships are not about pure science, they are to a great extent about emotion. When referring to women being attracted to men who abuse them, I did not mean to imply that they were slutty whores, per se. I kind of mixed up my points in my comment. I’m saying that there are women who are attracted to men who abuse them. And then there are also other women who expect good men to be attracted to them even though they are slutty whores. Probably not the same women. But either way whatever good men there are out in the world are screwed out of having a relationship by these psychological dynamics. By good man I mean a man who is able to be faithful and true and gentle and kind and responsible and civilized. Such a man is not attractive to women who like to be abused, and will not be attracted to women of low character. I think this ought to be kind of obvious.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Abusive men are attractive to women because, in the past, those men took from nice guys and starved them out. The survivors were from douches mostly. Children from abusers are much more likely to perpetuate the cycle and be attracted to it.

throwaway
throwaway
3 years ago
Reply to  James

Ironically, most women i have fucked who signalled as slutty whores (tattoos, piercings, makeup, slut clothes), were super prudish in bed, whereas on the other hand women that look “respectable” are the ones that want anal, bondage, etc. But then maybe it’s because I look normal (no tats piercings weird hair and clothes), and have decent game, that I can even bang these slut signallers at all. Anyway I’ve had much more fun with the ones that are a lady in the streets freak in the sheets.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  marthaz

I’d like a relationship that is non-profit….no gain for me, no gain for her. We are together for orgasms….maybe children if she is in the top 5-10% category

throwaway
throwaway
3 years ago
Reply to  marthaz

I’ve met a lot of girls that liked to be called whores during sex. 50 shades of gray is a bestseller, what’s that about? A classy woman acting like a whore. I’m sure rooshv has done an interesting analysis of this, if not he should instead of all the political shit.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  James

A superior one.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  marthaz

For lack of openness and honesty…really

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

Roosh, do think as you get older you’ll invest in a high-fidelity IRA. A retirement package. we can’t all be 80 year old warren buffets eventually you’ll need to settle yes?

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

No…we cannot all survive by parasitizing others work…erhem, I mean live off investing.

20yearslater
20yearslater
7 years ago

Yes, its economics at work. I think harems, free pussy and mini relationships will persist as long as individual economic freedom is possible. Economic decline where earning power forces people to live more than 1 person a 2 bedroom apartment again you’ll see pussy traded for security like back in the day or some rougher countries out there today.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  20yearslater

Na…I still have to invest in prospecting bitches. Its not worth it till they solicit me off the net without me putting much effort at all. When I have a hundred choices with just a few pictures and sentences, it will be worth my time to consider them.

SadieB
SadieB
7 years ago

Listen Tinkerbelle, if you don’t believe in love, then your soul will die…but I fear it is too late for you anyway.

There are love blind people, just as there are color blind people ( who are great at seeing thru camouflage, but nobody asks them for fashion advice). And nobody asks you for relationship advice for the same reason.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  SadieB

Love is real..women really do profit from love more then men

Boz
Boz
7 years ago

SadieB,

But I thought love is an oppressive social construct engineered by a patriarchal system designed to keep women bare foot and in the kitchen.

Isn’t that what you tell yourself when you leapfrog from cock to cock?

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Boz

Your just jel because she won’t hop on to yours.

It only irritates me because I don’t want to invest time into a friendship or “relationship” till after I know that the sex will be good. I definitely do not want here knowing anything about my value since I like sluts and not whores.

Jack Shit
Jack Shit
7 years ago

The reason for the mini relationship and “fear of commitment” is that the choice whether to stay in a relationship or leave is the only power men have left in man-woman relationships. Men are turned more and more into pussy beggars by feminism and breaking up with a girl when the honeymoon is over is the perfect revenge for having to humiliate yourself to get into her precious panties. Either that or it’s her turn to bend over backwards for you – with a vengeance.

marthaz
marthaz
4 years ago
Reply to  Jack Shit

um, what? have any of you actually been in a relationship? I highly doubt it

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  marthaz

I doubt you’ve been in a “relationship” either. But then again, I doubt 90% of people have actual “relationships.”

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Jack Shit

Actually, its because most women are not attractive unless sex is involved…unless you like hanging out with people you always have to help and who are only interested in you for what you have to offer to them outside of simply enjoying time together.

John Galt2
John Galt2
7 years ago

Outstanding Roosh. I am impressed at your understanding of economics, especially since that isn’t your background. I usually use the analogy of buying a car (instead of buying a house at the peak of the market). Buying a car means you are buying a depreciating asset. And as it gets older, it requires more and more maintenance, and frustration. I mean, it never quite runs like it used to new, now does it? And sure, is it possible the car turns into a classic and maintains it’s value? Yes, but highly unlikely. So I always lease – I get a new car at regular intervals, I can try out new models and styles from different countries, and i never have to worry about longterm maintenance issues. Just like women.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt2

You can pay for sex if you want I guess. I just think its a mark of a loser to allow any trade other than orgasm for orgasm

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

Red Pill – just saw your post. The analogy fits rather nicely, doesn’t it?

Dat bro
Dat bro
7 years ago

This is one of the best roosh posts I’ve ever read.

Think I should share this on Facebook with the message “Thanks, feminism!” ?

Or would I get too much hate?

Dat bro
Dat bro
7 years ago

Also, roosh, certain cocks are being overvalued.

You now have girls showering college guys (like myself) with gifts, drinks, favors, with the expectation of nothing in return

You now have college athletes having 30-40 women, some even married, paying for lavish dinners, bottles of wine, free sex, and even some trips.

I call it “Pink knighting” and boy do I love it! 😀

jim hampton
jim hampton
5 years ago
Reply to  Dat bro

Shut-up Fag!

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  jim hampton

So that guy is gay because he wants some pussy?
…or are you just an over valued cock?

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  Dat bro

I’d say any cock less than 7″ in length and 5.5″ in circumference that is not wielded with skill is over valued

😉

SadieB
SadieB
7 years ago

Boz – I have been married for years and somehow missed that whole cock carousel thing. Goddammit!

I think you guys are making the whole thing up.

Bongstar420
Bongstar420
4 years ago
Reply to  SadieB

Nope…you are just more compliant with traditionalism.

or your sex drive is totally lame