The Rise Of The Mini-Relationship

When Bang first came out, a lot of guys told me they were buying it in order to get a girlfriend. They saw game as a short term adjustment in order to land the girl they wanted for eventual marriage. Their main complaint of the book was that it didn’t have enough relationship advice.

Fast forward to today and I don’t get nearly as many emails from guys expressing their desire for girlfriends or marriage. In the past, game used to be seen as a means to an end, but I see a shift where now game is the end. Many guys just want to fuck a lot of women for an extended period of time. They seek more to imitate rock stars than stable family men.

The main reason for this shift is that there is little incentive for men to choose monogamy, which used to be a requirement for regular sex. But now women are volunteering to be in harems. Players only need to send a terse text message with improper grammar to get women to come over for sex.

It’s actually less energy intensive to maintain a harem of two or three girls than a real relationship with one girl who expects much more from a boyfriend than—as one American girl put it to me—a “consistent hookup.” Compare that to my experience in Ukraine, where acquiring pussy was labor intensive and one-night stands were tough. I quickly got into a relationship, not because I was retiring from the game, but to maintain the consistent sex frequency I desired. I made a decision based on local market forces that had nothing to do with any change in my character or goals.

Feminism has done an amazing job of turning pussy into a commodity, not unlike internet bandwidth. I remember it used to cost me $10 per gigabyte over ten years ago to host a web site, but now it’s just a few cents. If a company today offered a hosting plan at 2002 prices, they would go out of business. Today you have many women pricing their pussy at 1960 levels when the current market value—in the form of a man’s cost per notch—is approaching $0. Too many girls are giving it away for free because it has become free.

The market has a strange way of setting the correct price and then dictating efficient behavior for all participants, which in today’s terms come in the form of men avoiding relationships in favor of casual, no-effort sex. Those who artificially inflate the value of pussy (beta males and white knights) will unfortunately not be able to obtain it at true value pricing. They are the losers who purchase garbage IPO stock at the peak after Goldman Sachs already cashed in its profit.

You’ll find real men increasingly use women for sex and light companionship for short time periods, between one to six months. When the cost of renting (of being the consistent hookup) becomes too high, and the woman demands that the man purchase her pussy in the form of a commitment, he will discard her and enter another mini-relationship. The player will only purchase the pussy when renting becomes too difficult, like happened to me in Ukraine, but even that was self-limiting as over time I became more knowledgeable of the local market.

The guy who overpays via marriage thinks that the inflated payment more than compensates for his need to have children or not to be alone, but since his purchase is a downpayment for what is a depreciating asset, he will find it necessary to move very large sums of money, in the form of his time and labor, into maintaining the initial purchase that can’t possibly hold its value. It’s not unlike buying a house at the top of a bubble.

Relationships have more to do with economics than love. If the price of your current pussy fluctuates out of your favor, turn in your rental to get a different pussy that gives more value. Have fun with your current pussy: go on a little trip with her, snuggle with her after stretching her out, let her cook for you, and then when maintenance costs rise, toss her aside for a newer model. America today is a renters market. As a matter of fact, I see a lot of used models in good condition coming onto the showroom floor right now.

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Spoos in August
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Even for guys who want to have kids, marriage is a really, really bad deal. Between the end of monogamy and the trend of increasing parental age, our demographic destiny is hurtling toward us.

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By, guys, you mean losers don’t you?

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i believe mini-relationships will become socially acceptable over time. Eventually it will become a side-dish or side-car to the main relationship, which will continue to exist

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They are hardly actual “relationships” with most people

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I agree that feminism has brought us to this juncture, and that it is sexual utopia for guys who know Game. My question, though, is this: is the underlying assumptions of this post (most modern females have made a commodity of themselves, therefore humans are something like a commodity) correct, or Good? More specifically, is it in tune with our fundamental human nature? Did our ancestors struggle to pass forward their jeans for the sake of a sterile sexuality? Does the family unit, seen as a good across many times and many environments, point to some deeper truth about the universe? I believe it does – the Greek and Christian concept of Logos. Maybe I am wrong, but I do think there is metaphysical significance in the facts that 1). only non-sterile coitus continues the species 2). kids need both parents, in the home

That our current situation is fucked as a society does not mean that our households have to be

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” their jeans” or”their genes”. I have no hand me down Wranglers from my grandparents. Pity, too, because I’m sure they would have been better made than the imported Chinese crap I see in stores.

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It’s too bad JL02 misspelled “genes.” His post is intelligent. There is something disgusting, shallow, and very beta about a man’s purpose in life being to find a warm hole for dicky boy. Why not just use an exhaust pipe on a car immediately after shutting off the engine? Some petroleum jelly may be necessary. Men are masturbating themselves with vaginas and women are doing same with penises. It’s all entertainment. Whee! Cheap thrills as Muslims take over the world.

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Speak for your self. I’m repulsed by it despite having a silver tongue

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Yeah, I hate “game” and PUA tactics, but I use them to get laid, cause they work.

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And the fact that they work makes it hard to respect women, not that it’s the only reason.

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I agree completely with both of your comments.

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wait, are my posts being moderated?

[Roosh: WordPress thinks you’re spam.]

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Well said.

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this is deep on so many levels. I wonder how long it takes most guys/girls to figure this out?

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The age of 40…which is why I have never banged someone below the age of 30

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Women have totally devalued the vagina. Roosh, your comparison to equities was spot on and a good analogy.

It’s like what Tom Leykis says about women. They are like cars that you should lease, run over a few speed bumps, and when the new car smell is gone and they start squeaking you trade ’em in for a new model.

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Vagina never had any value outside of the lack of supply.

Now you can get a sex doll that would be as good of a fuck as many hot women.

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Hello Roosh and Alles,

I am an Indian guy with Persian ancestry,I am doing Ok in terms of my career, I am studying my masters in ETH zurich, recently I got approached by a Masters student for a Date , sadly i spoiled my chance as i was very confused .I am not even sure what to do.

I have only 3 chances so far in my life and all of them are indian girls,mostly impressed by my average Tech skills.

Never got laid from Foreign girls and during date she insisted to come to her room, i took courage and took that chance but i spoiled it as i have told her that i never had and intimate with a foreign women .

When conversation went a bit intimate in our Date i became shy, its an accidental date as she just invited me to party but i found that she is alone.

She is a Masters student older than me , somewhere over 26 i think.

I 25 year of Indian guy, I became extremely nervous.

She is good looking Italian girl doing in her first semester at ETH zurich.

Lately found out your blog.

Will read as much as possible to learn something .

I have tried to approach her next day but she became extremely irritated ,I have no idea why.

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Shove your boner in her face.

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U sound like a white knight mangina mate. Stuff her with some cock dude she likes u

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I will when she admits to it

wink

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Go back to grammar school.

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I figured out the mini-relationship dynamic some years ago. It’s perfect. As soon as the honeymoon phase starts to end and the drama meter starts creeping into the red, I bounce. I figure that 10 minis over say 5 years is bound to be much more interesting than one relationship lasting 5 years. By the way, I’ve mentioned this concept to women and almost all have found it an uncomfortable and disconcerting one. It seems they find the whole idea disempowering, which is precisely the point.

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wow, you need to disempower women to feel special. what a guy

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I would have thought it prudence to disarm a known potential enemy before proceeding with any form of intercourse, social or otherwise. Women inform us in loud, shrill, hissy-fit tones that ‘men are scum’, ‘all men are rapists’, ‘all sex is rape’ – what is one to conclude except these creatures are the enemy?

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You stick your penis into hostile territory?

That sounds like a bad strategy

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IF that’s what I did, that would indeed be bad strategy.
But, for some men, seemingly, they prefer the risk to celibacy.

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So being realistic about “relationship” outcomes is “disempowerment” for women..

Makes sense. Thanks for the perspective. Its very elucidating.

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I’d imagine that all the women you are talking to are morons. Its statistically likely

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Rooshiepups-

Love the financial analogy. Tis true, tis true.

Pussy is nothing more than an industry bubble bursting. Right now, it is trading for pennies on the dollar- a few choice words will put a poon stock in your portfolio.

It would be a very tough road for women to pump that price back up to acceptable levels (for women).

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Nope…It still way over priced. I wouldn’t even notice the two considers most attractive…this means actual attractive women get even more attempts which translates to higher prices.

If pussy were cheap, the female messages would look like the males.

Notice, a 5 female gets more attention than a 8-9 male.

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The desire, borderline obsession, to have children makes this mini-relationship thing difficult for me. I still believe the best household to raise kids in includes a father and mother. Unfortunately, the idea of children juxtaposed with the reality of potential mates is depressing.

I am somewhat lucky that my current mate shows real promise. But she has been the exception (which is why she is still my current). So fellas, keep doing your thing until someone comes around, if ever, that might be worthy of your seed.

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Monogamy is killing breeding potential for me. 3 wives would be much easier for me to commit to because 3 average women would be about 20x easier to procure than 1 woman who is my peer or nearly so. In fact, I would be far more accepting of female desires if monogamy weren’t imposed on me.

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Has anyone ever met a good looking feminist?

Me neither and what does that tell you?

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I met one, but she denied being a feminist and put out on the first date. Once I got to know her though she had totally feminist attitudes, probably due to a fucked up childhood. (She didn’t make that connection herself but she showed me all the puzzle pieces.) But even for this nutjob she wouldn’t identify as a feminist because she was aware she was very good looking. Shrug.

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You know, i think that it’s useless then to be in a relationship with a girl who fucked around a lot and who’s easy, since you could have that girl even without committing. I really Hope to find a nice family girl, but i don’t think i’ll find her here (I’m swiss); in The next years i’ll travel to South America and some estern european countries, where girls can still play The girls and make you feel a man.
Thanks for your posts And books Roosh,go on like this=)

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Don’t forget about the barnyard.

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I’d rather a very experienced woman that is sexually cheap…then she can actually determine my value accurately

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Good strategy.

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im still shorting the price of pussy stock , it hasnt bottomed yet, a final deep selloff will come when western society collapses in weimar decadence and high inflation brought on to monetize the massive debt, even high class women will be giving it away for a pittance. After the collapse the price of pussy will go into a steady climb as feminism is mauled and hard core racist men reassert their power after a long absence, lawyers will be sent into the fields to pick potatoes, psychologists will be hung up on lamp posts, the homosexuals will flee to rural retreats.

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Still waiting for this. Eagerly.

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Third Rule of Acquisition – never pay more for any purchase than you have to. A little more Ferengi wouldn’t do us any harm. Who has already written the article on this theme? I can’t be the first one to have thought of it.

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Sounds retarded

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The US debt is like $40k per person…..Doesn’t seem like much to me. Plus, we are talking about something that can literally just disappear if the computers fail.

Are you that you aren’t projecting your desires rather than making accurate projections?

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The Federal debt is 20 trillion, pop: 315M or $62k per citizen. A better metric is $250k per family. (only 100M people work, rest are children, retired, ill or imprisoned). And that’s just national debt. Add on state, municipal, mortgage, auto, student, credit, consumer debts. Quickly becomes unmanageable, eh?

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Women have only themselves to blame.

marthaz
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for what, not being chained to losers like you and your ilk? I’d say that’s a reward, not a punishment.

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The question is, why do women go for what I consider losers so much? Why do women ask the musical question, “Where have all the good men gone?” Why don’t they ask the corollary question, “What good man who is truly good would want a slutty whore?”

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If you really think women are being treated badly in relationships because they’re “slutty whores” or presenting themseIves as such, I think you might want to do some introspection, and maybe get out more and observe people in actual relationships. Most of what is spouted on this site is highly fictionalized and bears no resemblance to actual relationships between men & women in the real world.

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I will grant that a lot of the “manosphere” is emotional rhetoric and not scientific analysis. But relationships are not about pure science, they are to a great extent about emotion. When referring to women being attracted to men who abuse them, I did not mean to imply that they were slutty whores, per se. I kind of mixed up my points in my comment. I’m saying that there are women who are attracted to men who abuse them. And then there are also other women who expect good men to be attracted to them even though they are slutty whores. Probably not the same women. But either way whatever good men there are out in the world are screwed out of having a relationship by these psychological dynamics. By good man I mean a man who is able to be faithful and true and gentle and kind and responsible and civilized. Such a man is not attractive to women who like to be abused, and will not be attracted to women of low character. I think this ought to be kind of obvious.

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Abusive men are attractive to women because, in the past, those men took from nice guys and starved them out. The survivors were from douches mostly. Children from abusers are much more likely to perpetuate the cycle and be attracted to it.

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Ironically, most women i have fucked who signalled as slutty whores (tattoos, piercings, makeup, slut clothes), were super prudish in bed, whereas on the other hand women that look “respectable” are the ones that want anal, bondage, etc. But then maybe it’s because I look normal (no tats piercings weird hair and clothes), and have decent game, that I can even bang these slut signallers at all. Anyway I’ve had much more fun with the ones that are a lady in the streets freak in the sheets.

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I’d like a relationship that is non-profit….no gain for me, no gain for her. We are together for orgasms….maybe children if she is in the top 5-10% category

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I’ve met a lot of girls that liked to be called whores during sex. 50 shades of gray is a bestseller, what’s that about? A classy woman acting like a whore. I’m sure rooshv has done an interesting analysis of this, if not he should instead of all the political shit.

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A superior one.

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For lack of openness and honesty…really

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Roosh, do think as you get older you’ll invest in a high-fidelity IRA. A retirement package. we can’t all be 80 year old warren buffets eventually you’ll need to settle yes?

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No…we cannot all survive by parasitizing others work…erhem, I mean live off investing.

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Yes, its economics at work. I think harems, free pussy and mini relationships will persist as long as individual economic freedom is possible. Economic decline where earning power forces people to live more than 1 person a 2 bedroom apartment again you’ll see pussy traded for security like back in the day or some rougher countries out there today.

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Na…I still have to invest in prospecting bitches. Its not worth it till they solicit me off the net without me putting much effort at all. When I have a hundred choices with just a few pictures and sentences, it will be worth my time to consider them.

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Listen Tinkerbelle, if you don’t believe in love, then your soul will die…but I fear it is too late for you anyway.

There are love blind people, just as there are color blind people ( who are great at seeing thru camouflage, but nobody asks them for fashion advice). And nobody asks you for relationship advice for the same reason.

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Love is real..women really do profit from love more then men

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SadieB,

But I thought love is an oppressive social construct engineered by a patriarchal system designed to keep women bare foot and in the kitchen.

Isn’t that what you tell yourself when you leapfrog from cock to cock?

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Your just jel because she won’t hop on to yours.

It only irritates me because I don’t want to invest time into a friendship or “relationship” till after I know that the sex will be good. I definitely do not want here knowing anything about my value since I like sluts and not whores.

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The reason for the mini relationship and “fear of commitment” is that the choice whether to stay in a relationship or leave is the only power men have left in man-woman relationships. Men are turned more and more into pussy beggars by feminism and breaking up with a girl when the honeymoon is over is the perfect revenge for having to humiliate yourself to get into her precious panties. Either that or it’s her turn to bend over backwards for you – with a vengeance.

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um, what? have any of you actually been in a relationship? I highly doubt it

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I doubt you’ve been in a “relationship” either. But then again, I doubt 90% of people have actual “relationships.”

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Actually, its because most women are not attractive unless sex is involved…unless you like hanging out with people you always have to help and who are only interested in you for what you have to offer to them outside of simply enjoying time together.

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Outstanding Roosh. I am impressed at your understanding of economics, especially since that isn’t your background. I usually use the analogy of buying a car (instead of buying a house at the peak of the market). Buying a car means you are buying a depreciating asset. And as it gets older, it requires more and more maintenance, and frustration. I mean, it never quite runs like it used to new, now does it? And sure, is it possible the car turns into a classic and maintains it’s value? Yes, but highly unlikely. So I always lease – I get a new car at regular intervals, I can try out new models and styles from different countries, and i never have to worry about longterm maintenance issues. Just like women.

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You can pay for sex if you want I guess. I just think its a mark of a loser to allow any trade other than orgasm for orgasm

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Red Pill – just saw your post. The analogy fits rather nicely, doesn’t it?

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This is one of the best roosh posts I’ve ever read.

Think I should share this on Facebook with the message “Thanks, feminism!” ?

Or would I get too much hate?

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Also, roosh, certain cocks are being overvalued.

You now have girls showering college guys (like myself) with gifts, drinks, favors, with the expectation of nothing in return

You now have college athletes having 30-40 women, some even married, paying for lavish dinners, bottles of wine, free sex, and even some trips.

I call it “Pink knighting” and boy do I love it! grin

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Shut-up Fag!

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So that guy is gay because he wants some pussy?
…or are you just an over valued cock?

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I’d say any cock less than 7″ in length and 5.5″ in circumference that is not wielded with skill is over valued

wink

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Boz – I have been married for years and somehow missed that whole cock carousel thing. Goddammit!

I think you guys are making the whole thing up.

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Nope…you are just more compliant with traditionalism.

or your sex drive is totally lame

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@25 Sadie

Honestly if you have been married for years you probably haven’t seen the current dating climate, and therefore you have very little credibility.

You can think what you want about “making this all up.” There is more men than just the manosphere out there that are having issues coping with the dissonance between what society tells them (be monogamous) and the reality of the situation (girls giving themselves up for free – and being fine with being passed around).

Men and young guys dont talk to YOU about these things because:

A) you are “out” of the market and not exposed to them in the first place
B) you’re at least one generation too irrelevant to their situation
C) Men naturally will gravitate to other men for help (just as women gravitate to women for advice) because the advice FROM men is quite often more relevant to their own self-interests.

Which, on that note, if you think this is all “made up” why the fuck are you here in the first place?

The commenters from this blog hail from all sorts of stations in life, from Ex-plugged-in beta divorcees to classy playboys (Virgle Kent) to Game Acolytes of all ages, to newbies of all sorts, to Indian race trolls, to reputable college manwhores (myself).

With these sort of demographics, you really have no credibility in your outlandish statements. We collectively have experienced parts of life that you couldn’t even dream of.

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HUH..I still think getting laid is too expensive for the returns. BSing people isn’t worth an orgasm.

When they are open and honest, maybe it will be worth my time

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What’s your analysis of the guys who still try to do both, have a marriage and have affairs on the side? This still seems common among executives but do you think it’s a good strategy?

The guys I know doing this seem happier than both monogamous men and players, but there’s the confounding factor that these guys also make a lot of money.

[Roosh: Fine idea if you’re in a country where your cheating is not grounds for an easy divorce that takes half your income and your kids.]

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As long as I have to act like I’m in a “monogamous relationship,” there is no winning.

Those guys are liars, not worthy of a paycheck or profit.

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Dat bro – I am here because it’s interesting to see what the blind guys make of the elephant!!

Ps the young girls I know haven’t found this fabled ‘cock carousel’ either. Of course they aren’t exactly looking for it.

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You assume they are honest to you about their social digressions.
Put them on lie detector tests and see how the answers change

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This is really bad because I’d like very much to have a friend who is a girl (not girlfriend), who I can confide in, who will cuddle with me, who I can talk to about my problems, etc., but every time I’ve tried this it’s blown up in my face. Because of the dynamic Roosh is describing they lose all respect for you if you do this, they see you as a chump to take advantage of, they try to get chores out of you and to manipulate you in all kinds of ways. The few girls I’ve tried it with also eventually tried to have a romantic or sexual relationship because I guess I’m good looking (not arrogant, just how it is), and if I refuse, there’s just titanic hatred and they start to insult you. And if you don’t refuse then you still get screwed because on the basis of friendship they start to expect and demand all kinds of things.

I have very weak desire for women sexually, but would like one as a close friend, this is actually next to impossible as far as I can see. It all has to do with how they’re all primed to be sloots in this market and only respect men who treat them like the dogs they are, and EVEN IF YOU DON’T PURSUE THEM FOR SEX they’ll still try to treat you like a slave and a chump if you don’t treat them like a trashcan.

I actually told some of these girls I like guys and despite being open minded and “liberal,” their resentment and hatred only multiplied, and/or they refused to believe me.

Anyway this is the conclusion, the modern American woman wants one thing above all: to be pursued by all the men she knows, but to get power trips from turning 99% down, manipulating them, using them for attention and chores, and sportfucking the remaining 1%; and if you don’t want to fit in this model it’s like “it doesn’t compute.” Their hatred of men who are not interested in pursuing them is really so extreme as far as I can tell. They’re totally incapable of friendship.

Anyone pursuing a relationship with a woman in this market is crazy, you can only control them the way you would a disobedient dog, but there can’t be a friendship or connection with them.

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a) it sounds like you like men and should just admit it instead of blaming your failed relationships on women. we like to feel wanted by the men we are into, so it’s naturally going to fall apart if we don’t… and
b) everything else you’re saying is patently untrue. women want to have meaningful relationships as much as anyone else, and when things are right between two people, there is no game playing on either end.

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There is always game playing on the female end, that is what guys don’t get and that is why they seem so stupid.

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my prediction is you (plural) will either get over this ridiculous and narcissistic fixation with women not being exactly the way you’d always like them to be, or you will end up single and unhappy. Us women, and most people in the real world have had to do the same thing, believe it or not. Life is a lot of compromising, and a lot of not getting exactly what you want. But if you can let go of negativity and blame there is room for some really beautiful stuff, including real, actual love. Best of luck

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Life and relationships involve a lot of compromise, but there is a limit. There are things that strain a relationship, and then there are things that utterly destroy it. Up with some things people cannot put, as the saying goes, for both men and women.

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There is a reason the divorce rate is something like 50% with 70% of the cases initiated by women and 50% of those cases being entirely subjective reasons like “boredom”

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Thats easy for you to say.

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a)sex is not about the relationship unless your a whore profiting from the exchange…its why I don’t bang dudes

b)meaningful relationships are built on equal exchange…IE, she doesn’t gain at all from it.

c)the guy is correct. Relationships kill intercourse chances. Or are you trying to get us to believe all these +10 year marriages have vibrant sex lives?

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@28 SadieB

Your ad hominem attack (that we’re blind) is to be expected.

It seems to be the only response people can provide to arguments based on substantial life experience. As I said before, the commenters on this blog come from quite diverse backgrounds, and remarkably different degrees of sexual and relational success. If calling us all blind makes you feel better about yourself (lol), then by all means go ahead. Just know that while you dont take us seriously, none of us (and there is a lot more of us than you’d imagine) take you seriously either.

PS: the “young girls” you know don’t need to FIND the cock carousel. IT finds THEM. This clearly shows you don’t understand how the dating and hookup culture works in our society today – your solipsistic logic falls on deaf ears as many of us nail girls who have been nailed countless times before.

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Actually, “blind” is a ploy to get you back on their page.

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@29 – glad to see a fellow miscer awared to the way things really are.

Repped.

I don’t think pursuing a relationship with a woman in this market is crazy, however.

Your problem: you need to Accept WOMEN for what they are. It seems like you already have a specific role for them (as friends/cuddle buddies) that THEY don’t want to fill.

Remind yourself whenever you are frustrated with women: “Just be”

“Just be” brah.

Enjoy life in every regard, and when women come into your life (and they certainly will), do with them what makes you happy. If they don’t want the same, NO LOVE LOST! You’ll continue “just be”ing and they’ll go on their own way as well.

Such is the life of the enlightened man.

Part of the issue is that you are too outcome dependent on the women you come across actually fitting the role you want them to fit. Real tea, its their loss if they don’t want to fit that role and move on to an inferior male.

The problem with you telling girls you like guys is because your BEHAVIOR says other ways. Your behavior is nothing like that of a gay man, they can tell by your body language and manner of speech that you like the pussy.

Finally, who says you need to answer any of their demands at all?

Have you tried making demands of girls?

You’ll be surprised at how obedient women will be with the right game and behavior. Women WANT to be obedient to a desirable and dominant man.

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why would a woman want to be with a man who only wants to cuddle and says he likes other men? would you want to be with a woman who does the same (doesn’t want to sleep w/ you and talks about how she is into women)? it’s crazy to even consider this as his partners’ fault in any way.

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The poor guy is gay and is looking for a fag hag, leave him alone.

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The crazy thing is all the extra demands just to have sex that won’t bare children…and the total lack of regard for the man’s risks

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You realize that women that demand equality still put out 2-3x more when the dude pays for stuff?

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Dat bro – I believe you when you say that’s your experience. However it only means the normal women are avoiding you FOR SOME CRAZY REASON

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@32 SadieB:

Again, think what you want.

Not once in my comments did I say normal women are avoiding me.

I have a girlfriend, and we’ve been together for 10 months. She’s quite normal, at least normal enough not to be trolling manosphere blogs and calling everyone who reads them “blind”

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I wonder what happened when she found out her “normal” boyfriend was part of the “manosphere” (gag) I know that would be a deal-breaker for most normal women

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datbro yes I agree with what you’re saying, but I don’t WANT these women to obey me, I want what I told you. As for smashing that’s fine but I don’t want to have an affectionate friendship with a woman I’m smashing. It’s a 19th century taste, I’d like a girl to confide in. Yes I know women want to obey, this is the problem I don’t WANT to command them or treat them like a dog, and if you don’t do that they don’t respect you.

Admittedly mine is a niche taste, most guys don’t understand why I’d want a girl who’s just a friend, but I do, and it’s impossible. As for moving on, I do, I’m just complaining that it’s impossible because they’re all primed to be sloots now and even if you’re not beta and following them for pussy, they’ll still try to chump you.

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Dat bro – I got what I want and so do you apparently, so what’s the problem? Unless you’ve got one of those ubiquitous cock- bouncing hoors and that’s not what you wanted.

Really, you’re just proving my point.

Ps – for all you know I AM your girlfriend!! You left yourself logged in last time, fool.

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Sad sad days for western civilization.

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PS datbro what is your bb handle O_o

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“Dat bro – I am here because it’s interesting to see what the blind guys make of the elephant!!”

Hehehehe… the “blind guys” are actually the ones the most open of eyes. As we share information (love the ‘Net), we see a commonality of experience that results in some excellent wisdom about women, dating, and relationships.

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SadieB,

Sharks don’t want advice from the tuna they are trying to catch. We’d rather get it from successful sharks who have experience in these regards. That doesn’t mean that we aren’t cognizant of what you’re saying, we just realize the futility in all of it since most advice women bring to the table goes against our interests, or is loaded with perverse incentives.

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I couldn’t stop laughing when you compared the price of pussy of bandwidth. Reminds me of Dave Chappelle’s “If pussy was a stock, the stock would be plummeting right now” Roosh, you keep it too real man.

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Or could it be more like a commodity on the futures market, where 90% of the “investors” lose their shirts?

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apollo – i dont recall giving any advice. just pointed out some faulty assumptions.

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really intelligent post Roosh. bravo

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Here is why I find the situation in America so funny. Feminism has helped the Alpha patriarchs the most (Executives with 7 girlfriends, basketball players, politicians) in getting easy sex and hurt the regular guys who are left with crumbs. But its actually the average women who have been hurt the most.

In terms of women, feminism has hurt the average women the most, average women are now most likely single instead of married with a supporter, more likely to be unhappy and unhealthy, and instead of kids and respect they work some job that they hate with occasional hook ups with guys just using them for sex. American feminism helped really only the top guys and women and hurt average women the most! Why did they hurt the average women the most?

Because average guys with a little money can simply leave for greener pastures where they will have a much more enjoyable sex life and partners whereas the average American woman is not wanted by ANYBODY! HAHAHAHA The fat, angry, average american woman ends up with the shortest end of the stick thanks to feminism! What the feminists don’t realize, its actually the patriarchy that helped the average lot of them because without the patriarchy why should guys pay for something they can get for free? Why should they work for you when your fat, ugly, unfeminine, and bossy? Have fun working till you die now that you’ve destroyed the patriarchy!

I’m less than a month away from never being in the US again. Thank god.

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funniest article i have read in the very loong time. wow. fucking classic from first read.

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All you’re doing by doing the “mini-relationship” thing is simply what alot of women have been doing for years. The difference being, when a guys over a relationship, he’ll typically end it then and there regardless of him having another lined up, whereas women will stay with a guy for a long time until the new guy comes along and then the honeymoon feelings are back. Once again, it’s why guys feel a little more blind-sided when women end things and are immediately in the arms of a new guy. They’ll be over you but still keep you around, and this requires some demonstration of interest in their part even though they are over you.

Alot of women are “in love with being in love”. It’s like chasing the pink dragon. You never catch him, and it’s not a strong foundation for a relationship.

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excellent work. brilliant analogy.

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Had a discussion with this with my roomie as he is getting into a relationship.

I asked why should a guy enter a commitment when he has access to a harem type situation.

Of course he answers like a beta, “because some people just want real relationships”.

At 28, I don’t see the value of getting into a deep relationship… at least not with an American girl.

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Brilliant observation. However, I can’t help but ask – if things were different. If pussy was an expensive, hard to get commodity these days, wouldn’t it make your (Roosh’s) purpose of having sexual adventures all over the world so much harder?

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“Fast forward to today and I don’t get nearly as many emails from guys expressing their desire for girlfriends or marriage.”

could that be because they now go to Athol at MMSL?

JohnGalt2: the car analogy is a good one from an economics perspective as it brings out the issue of moral hazard – the seller knows the state of what she’s selling, but the buyer can’t be sure its a lemon

Alpha Mission
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Excellent post. No commodity has shaped civilization more than pussy.