The Rise Of The Mini-Relationship

When Bang first came out, a lot of guys told me they were buying it in order to get a girlfriend. They saw game as a short term adjustment in order to land the girl they wanted for eventual marriage. Their main complaint of the book was that it didn’t have enough relationship advice.

Fast forward to today and I don’t get nearly as many emails from guys expressing their desire for girlfriends or marriage. In the past, game used to be seen as a means to an end, but I see a shift where now game is the end. Many guys just want to fuck a lot of women for an extended period of time. They seek more to imitate rock stars than stable family men.

The main reason for this shift is that there is little incentive for men to choose monogamy, which used to be a requirement for regular sex. But now women are volunteering to be in harems. Players only need to send a terse text message with improper grammar to get women to come over for sex.

It’s actually less energy intensive to maintain a harem of two or three girls than a real relationship with one girl who expects much more from a boyfriend than—as one American girl put it to me—a “consistent hookup.” Compare that to my experience in Ukraine, where acquiring pussy was labor intensive and one-night stands were tough. I quickly got into a relationship, not because I was retiring from the game, but to maintain the consistent sex frequency I desired. I made a decision based on local market forces that had nothing to do with any change in my character or goals.

Feminism has done an amazing job of turning pussy into a commodity, not unlike internet bandwidth. I remember it used to cost me $10 per gigabyte over ten years ago to host a web site, but now it’s just a few cents. If a company today offered a hosting plan at 2002 prices, they would go out of business. Today you have many women pricing their pussy at 1960 levels when the current market value—in the form of a man’s cost per notch—is approaching $0. Too many girls are giving it away for free because it has become free.

The market has a strange way of setting the correct price and then dictating efficient behavior for all participants, which in today’s terms come in the form of men avoiding relationships in favor of casual, no-effort sex. Those who artificially inflate the value of pussy (beta males and white knights) will unfortunately not be able to obtain it at true value pricing. They are the losers who purchase garbage IPO stock at the peak after Goldman Sachs already cashed in its profit.

You’ll find real men increasingly use women for sex and light companionship for short time periods, between one to six months. When the cost of renting (of being the consistent hookup) becomes too high, and the woman demands that the man purchase her pussy in the form of a commitment, he will discard her and enter another mini-relationship. The player will only purchase the pussy when renting becomes too difficult, like happened to me in Ukraine, but even that was self-limiting as over time I became more knowledgeable of the local market.

The guy who overpays via marriage thinks that the inflated payment more than compensates for his need to have children or not to be alone, but since his purchase is a downpayment for what is a depreciating asset, he will find it necessary to move very large sums of money, in the form of his time and labor, into maintaining the initial purchase that can’t possibly hold its value. It’s not unlike buying a house at the top of a bubble.

Relationships have more to do with economics than love. If the price of your current pussy fluctuates out of your favor, turn in your rental to get a different pussy that gives more value. Have fun with your current pussy: go on a little trip with her, snuggle with her after stretching her out, let her cook for you, and then when maintenance costs rise, toss her aside for a newer model. America today is a renters market. As a matter of fact, I see a lot of used models in good condition coming onto the showroom floor right now.

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  1. Spoos in August December 12, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Even for guys who want to have kids, marriage is a really, really bad deal. Between the end of monogamy and the trend of increasing parental age, our demographic destiny is hurtling toward us.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:30 am

      By, guys, you mean losers don’t you?

  2. michelin December 12, 2012 at 9:49 am

    i believe mini-relationships will become socially acceptable over time. Eventually it will become a side-dish or side-car to the main relationship, which will continue to exist

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:32 am

      They are hardly actual “relationships” with most people

  3. JL02 December 12, 2012 at 9:54 am

    I agree that feminism has brought us to this juncture, and that it is sexual utopia for guys who know Game. My question, though, is this: is the underlying assumptions of this post (most modern females have made a commodity of themselves, therefore humans are something like a commodity) correct, or Good? More specifically, is it in tune with our fundamental human nature? Did our ancestors struggle to pass forward their jeans for the sake of a sterile sexuality? Does the family unit, seen as a good across many times and many environments, point to some deeper truth about the universe? I believe it does – the Greek and Christian concept of Logos. Maybe I am wrong, but I do think there is metaphysical significance in the facts that 1). only non-sterile coitus continues the species 2). kids need both parents, in the home

    That our current situation is fucked as a society does not mean that our households have to be

    1. Shmalkandik April 4, 2016 at 4:33 am

      ” their jeans” or”their genes”. I have no hand me down Wranglers from my grandparents. Pity, too, because I’m sure they would have been better made than the imported Chinese crap I see in stores.

      1. Robert Hagedorn December 15, 2016 at 12:39 am

        It’s too bad JL02 misspelled “genes.” His post is intelligent. There is something disgusting, shallow, and very beta about a man’s purpose in life being to find a warm hole for dicky boy. Why not just use an exhaust pipe on a car immediately after shutting off the engine? Some petroleum jelly may be necessary. Men are masturbating themselves with vaginas and women are doing same with penises. It’s all entertainment. Whee! Cheap thrills as Muslims take over the world.

    2. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:33 am

      Speak for your self. I’m repulsed by it despite having a silver tongue

      1. That_one_guy January 5, 2017 at 8:46 am

        Yeah, I hate “game” and PUA tactics, but I use them to get laid, cause they work.

      2. That_one_guy January 5, 2017 at 8:47 am

        And the fact that they work makes it hard to respect women, not that it’s the only reason.

      3. YoungZari September 5, 2017 at 11:57 am

        I agree completely with both of your comments.

  4. Brandon December 12, 2012 at 10:05 am

    wait, are my posts being moderated?

    [Roosh: WordPress thinks you’re spam.]

  5. Vb December 12, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Well said.

  6. Virgle Kent December 12, 2012 at 10:19 am

    this is deep on so many levels. I wonder how long it takes most guys/girls to figure this out?

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:33 am

      The age of 40…which is why I have never banged someone below the age of 30

  7. Red Pill December 12, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Women have totally devalued the vagina. Roosh, your comparison to equities was spot on and a good analogy.

    It’s like what Tom Leykis says about women. They are like cars that you should lease, run over a few speed bumps, and when the new car smell is gone and they start squeaking you trade ’em in for a new model.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:35 am

      Vagina never had any value outside of the lack of supply.

      Now you can get a sex doll that would be as good of a fuck as many hot women.

  8. Indian guy December 12, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Hello Roosh and Alles,

    I am an Indian guy with Persian ancestry,I am doing Ok in terms of my career, I am studying my masters in ETH zurich, recently I got approached by a Masters student for a Date , sadly i spoiled my chance as i was very confused .I am not even sure what to do.

    I have only 3 chances so far in my life and all of them are indian girls,mostly impressed by my average Tech skills.

    Never got laid from Foreign girls and during date she insisted to come to her room, i took courage and took that chance but i spoiled it as i have told her that i never had and intimate with a foreign women .

    When conversation went a bit intimate in our Date i became shy, its an accidental date as she just invited me to party but i found that she is alone.

    She is a Masters student older than me , somewhere over 26 i think.

    I 25 year of Indian guy, I became extremely nervous.

    She is good looking Italian girl doing in her first semester at ETH zurich.

    Lately found out your blog.

    Will read as much as possible to learn something .

    I have tried to approach her next day but she became extremely irritated ,I have no idea why.

    1. jim hampton May 27, 2015 at 5:05 pm

      Shove your boner in her face.

    2. Pablo Escobar October 14, 2015 at 9:48 am

      U sound like a white knight mangina mate. Stuff her with some cock dude she likes u

      1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:36 am

        I will when she admits to it


    3. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:36 am

      Go back to grammar school.

  9. 2koonet December 12, 2012 at 11:12 am

    I figured out the mini-relationship dynamic some years ago. It’s perfect. As soon as the honeymoon phase starts to end and the drama meter starts creeping into the red, I bounce. I figure that 10 minis over say 5 years is bound to be much more interesting than one relationship lasting 5 years. By the way, I’ve mentioned this concept to women and almost all have found it an uncomfortable and disconcerting one. It seems they find the whole idea disempowering, which is precisely the point.

    1. marthaz February 4, 2016 at 4:28 am

      wow, you need to disempower women to feel special. what a guy

      1. Shmalkandik April 4, 2016 at 4:36 am

        I would have thought it prudence to disarm a known potential enemy before proceeding with any form of intercourse, social or otherwise. Women inform us in loud, shrill, hissy-fit tones that ‘men are scum’, ‘all men are rapists’, ‘all sex is rape’ – what is one to conclude except these creatures are the enemy?

      2. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:39 am

        You stick your penis into hostile territory?

        That sounds like a bad strategy

      3. Shmalkandik May 2, 2016 at 10:14 am

        IF that’s what I did, that would indeed be bad strategy.
        But, for some men, seemingly, they prefer the risk to celibacy.

      4. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:38 am

        So being realistic about “relationship” outcomes is “disempowerment” for women..

        Makes sense. Thanks for the perspective. Its very elucidating.

    2. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:37 am

      I’d imagine that all the women you are talking to are morons. Its statistically likely

  10. CruisenChubby December 12, 2012 at 11:39 am


    Love the financial analogy. Tis true, tis true.

    Pussy is nothing more than an industry bubble bursting. Right now, it is trading for pennies on the dollar- a few choice words will put a poon stock in your portfolio.

    It would be a very tough road for women to pump that price back up to acceptable levels (for women).

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:42 am

      Nope…It still way over priced. I wouldn’t even notice the two considers most attractive…this means actual attractive women get even more attempts which translates to higher prices.

      If pussy were cheap, the female messages would look like the males.

      Notice, a 5 female gets more attention than a 8-9 male.

  11. Anonymous December 12, 2012 at 11:45 am

    The desire, borderline obsession, to have children makes this mini-relationship thing difficult for me. I still believe the best household to raise kids in includes a father and mother. Unfortunately, the idea of children juxtaposed with the reality of potential mates is depressing.

    I am somewhat lucky that my current mate shows real promise. But she has been the exception (which is why she is still my current). So fellas, keep doing your thing until someone comes around, if ever, that might be worthy of your seed.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:47 am

      Monogamy is killing breeding potential for me. 3 wives would be much easier for me to commit to because 3 average women would be about 20x easier to procure than 1 woman who is my peer or nearly so. In fact, I would be far more accepting of female desires if monogamy weren’t imposed on me.

  12. Todd December 12, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Has anyone ever met a good looking feminist?

    Me neither and what does that tell you?

    1. throwaway January 5, 2017 at 8:52 am

      I met one, but she denied being a feminist and put out on the first date. Once I got to know her though she had totally feminist attitudes, probably due to a fucked up childhood. (She didn’t make that connection herself but she showed me all the puzzle pieces.) But even for this nutjob she wouldn’t identify as a feminist because she was aware she was very good looking. Shrug.

  13. Gabriele December 12, 2012 at 11:52 am

    You know, i think that it’s useless then to be in a relationship with a girl who fucked around a lot and who’s easy, since you could have that girl even without committing. I really Hope to find a nice family girl, but i don’t think i’ll find her here (I’m swiss); in The next years i’ll travel to South America and some estern european countries, where girls can still play The girls and make you feel a man.
    Thanks for your posts And books Roosh,go on like this=)

    1. jim hampton May 27, 2015 at 5:06 pm

      Don’t forget about the barnyard.

    2. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:50 am

      I’d rather a very experienced woman that is sexually cheap…then she can actually determine my value accurately

      1. thowaway January 5, 2017 at 9:07 am

        Good strategy.

  14. visionary December 12, 2012 at 11:57 am

    im still shorting the price of pussy stock , it hasnt bottomed yet, a final deep selloff will come when western society collapses in weimar decadence and high inflation brought on to monetize the massive debt, even high class women will be giving it away for a pittance. After the collapse the price of pussy will go into a steady climb as feminism is mauled and hard core racist men reassert their power after a long absence, lawyers will be sent into the fields to pick potatoes, psychologists will be hung up on lamp posts, the homosexuals will flee to rural retreats.

    1. RileyDeWiley January 4, 2016 at 1:51 am

      Still waiting for this. Eagerly.

    2. Shmalkandik April 4, 2016 at 4:38 am

      Third Rule of Acquisition – never pay more for any purchase than you have to. A little more Ferengi wouldn’t do us any harm. Who has already written the article on this theme? I can’t be the first one to have thought of it.

      1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:54 am

        Sounds retarded

    3. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:51 am

      The US debt is like $40k per person…..Doesn’t seem like much to me. Plus, we are talking about something that can literally just disappear if the computers fail.

      Are you that you aren’t projecting your desires rather than making accurate projections?

      1. BB October 4, 2016 at 2:40 pm

        The Federal debt is 20 trillion, pop: 315M or $62k per citizen. A better metric is $250k per family. (only 100M people work, rest are children, retired, ill or imprisoned). And that’s just national debt. Add on state, municipal, mortgage, auto, student, credit, consumer debts. Quickly becomes unmanageable, eh?

  15. Boz December 12, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Women have only themselves to blame.

    1. marthaz February 4, 2016 at 4:30 am

      for what, not being chained to losers like you and your ilk? I’d say that’s a reward, not a punishment.

      1. James March 4, 2016 at 1:46 pm

        The question is, why do women go for what I consider losers so much? Why do women ask the musical question, “Where have all the good men gone?” Why don’t they ask the corollary question, “What good man who is truly good would want a slutty whore?”

      2. marthaz March 15, 2016 at 4:03 am

        If you really think women are being treated badly in relationships because they’re “slutty whores” or presenting themseIves as such, I think you might want to do some introspection, and maybe get out more and observe people in actual relationships. Most of what is spouted on this site is highly fictionalized and bears no resemblance to actual relationships between men & women in the real world.

      3. James March 15, 2016 at 11:10 am

        I will grant that a lot of the “manosphere” is emotional rhetoric and not scientific analysis. But relationships are not about pure science, they are to a great extent about emotion. When referring to women being attracted to men who abuse them, I did not mean to imply that they were slutty whores, per se. I kind of mixed up my points in my comment. I’m saying that there are women who are attracted to men who abuse them. And then there are also other women who expect good men to be attracted to them even though they are slutty whores. Probably not the same women. But either way whatever good men there are out in the world are screwed out of having a relationship by these psychological dynamics. By good man I mean a man who is able to be faithful and true and gentle and kind and responsible and civilized. Such a man is not attractive to women who like to be abused, and will not be attracted to women of low character. I think this ought to be kind of obvious.

      4. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:57 am

        Abusive men are attractive to women because, in the past, those men took from nice guys and starved them out. The survivors were from douches mostly. Children from abusers are much more likely to perpetuate the cycle and be attracted to it.

      5. throwaway January 5, 2017 at 9:12 am

        Ironically, most women i have fucked who signalled as slutty whores (tattoos, piercings, makeup, slut clothes), were super prudish in bed, whereas on the other hand women that look “respectable” are the ones that want anal, bondage, etc. But then maybe it’s because I look normal (no tats piercings weird hair and clothes), and have decent game, that I can even bang these slut signallers at all. Anyway I’ve had much more fun with the ones that are a lady in the streets freak in the sheets.

      6. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:56 am

        I’d like a relationship that is non-profit….no gain for me, no gain for her. We are together for orgasms….maybe children if she is in the top 5-10% category

      7. throwaway January 5, 2017 at 9:09 am

        I’ve met a lot of girls that liked to be called whores during sex. 50 shades of gray is a bestseller, what’s that about? A classy woman acting like a whore. I’m sure rooshv has done an interesting analysis of this, if not he should instead of all the political shit.

      8. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:55 am

        A superior one.

      9. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:54 am

        For lack of openness and honesty…really

  16. Anonymous December 12, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Roosh, do think as you get older you’ll invest in a high-fidelity IRA. A retirement package. we can’t all be 80 year old warren buffets eventually you’ll need to settle yes?

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:01 am

      No…we cannot all survive by parasitizing others work…erhem, I mean live off investing.

  17. 20yearslater December 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Yes, its economics at work. I think harems, free pussy and mini relationships will persist as long as individual economic freedom is possible. Economic decline where earning power forces people to live more than 1 person a 2 bedroom apartment again you’ll see pussy traded for security like back in the day or some rougher countries out there today.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:03 am

      Na…I still have to invest in prospecting bitches. Its not worth it till they solicit me off the net without me putting much effort at all. When I have a hundred choices with just a few pictures and sentences, it will be worth my time to consider them.

  18. SadieB December 12, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Listen Tinkerbelle, if you don’t believe in love, then your soul will die…but I fear it is too late for you anyway.

    There are love blind people, just as there are color blind people ( who are great at seeing thru camouflage, but nobody asks them for fashion advice). And nobody asks you for relationship advice for the same reason.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:04 am

      Love is real..women really do profit from love more then men

  19. Boz December 12, 2012 at 12:53 pm


    But I thought love is an oppressive social construct engineered by a patriarchal system designed to keep women bare foot and in the kitchen.

    Isn’t that what you tell yourself when you leapfrog from cock to cock?

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:06 am

      Your just jel because she won’t hop on to yours.

      It only irritates me because I don’t want to invest time into a friendship or “relationship” till after I know that the sex will be good. I definitely do not want here knowing anything about my value since I like sluts and not whores.

  20. Jack Shit December 12, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    The reason for the mini relationship and “fear of commitment” is that the choice whether to stay in a relationship or leave is the only power men have left in man-woman relationships. Men are turned more and more into pussy beggars by feminism and breaking up with a girl when the honeymoon is over is the perfect revenge for having to humiliate yourself to get into her precious panties. Either that or it’s her turn to bend over backwards for you – with a vengeance.

    1. marthaz February 4, 2016 at 4:31 am

      um, what? have any of you actually been in a relationship? I highly doubt it

      1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:11 am

        I doubt you’ve been in a “relationship” either. But then again, I doubt 90% of people have actual “relationships.”

    2. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:09 am

      Actually, its because most women are not attractive unless sex is involved…unless you like hanging out with people you always have to help and who are only interested in you for what you have to offer to them outside of simply enjoying time together.

  21. John Galt2 December 12, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Outstanding Roosh. I am impressed at your understanding of economics, especially since that isn’t your background. I usually use the analogy of buying a car (instead of buying a house at the peak of the market). Buying a car means you are buying a depreciating asset. And as it gets older, it requires more and more maintenance, and frustration. I mean, it never quite runs like it used to new, now does it? And sure, is it possible the car turns into a classic and maintains it’s value? Yes, but highly unlikely. So I always lease – I get a new car at regular intervals, I can try out new models and styles from different countries, and i never have to worry about longterm maintenance issues. Just like women.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:12 am

      You can pay for sex if you want I guess. I just think its a mark of a loser to allow any trade other than orgasm for orgasm

  22. Anonymous December 12, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Red Pill – just saw your post. The analogy fits rather nicely, doesn’t it?

  23. Dat bro December 12, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    This is one of the best roosh posts I’ve ever read.

    Think I should share this on Facebook with the message “Thanks, feminism!” ?

    Or would I get too much hate?

  24. Dat bro December 12, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Also, roosh, certain cocks are being overvalued.

    You now have girls showering college guys (like myself) with gifts, drinks, favors, with the expectation of nothing in return

    You now have college athletes having 30-40 women, some even married, paying for lavish dinners, bottles of wine, free sex, and even some trips.

    I call it “Pink knighting” and boy do I love it! 😀

    1. jim hampton May 27, 2015 at 5:08 pm

      Shut-up Fag!

      1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:17 am

        So that guy is gay because he wants some pussy?
        …or are you just an over valued cock?

    2. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:16 am

      I’d say any cock less than 7″ in length and 5.5″ in circumference that is not wielded with skill is over valued


  25. SadieB December 12, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Boz – I have been married for years and somehow missed that whole cock carousel thing. Goddammit!

    I think you guys are making the whole thing up.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:19 am

      Nope…you are just more compliant with traditionalism.

      or your sex drive is totally lame

  26. dat bro December 12, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    @25 Sadie

    Honestly if you have been married for years you probably haven’t seen the current dating climate, and therefore you have very little credibility.

    You can think what you want about “making this all up.” There is more men than just the manosphere out there that are having issues coping with the dissonance between what society tells them (be monogamous) and the reality of the situation (girls giving themselves up for free – and being fine with being passed around).

    Men and young guys dont talk to YOU about these things because:

    A) you are “out” of the market and not exposed to them in the first place
    B) you’re at least one generation too irrelevant to their situation
    C) Men naturally will gravitate to other men for help (just as women gravitate to women for advice) because the advice FROM men is quite often more relevant to their own self-interests.

    Which, on that note, if you think this is all “made up” why the fuck are you here in the first place?

    The commenters from this blog hail from all sorts of stations in life, from Ex-plugged-in beta divorcees to classy playboys (Virgle Kent) to Game Acolytes of all ages, to newbies of all sorts, to Indian race trolls, to reputable college manwhores (myself).

    With these sort of demographics, you really have no credibility in your outlandish statements. We collectively have experienced parts of life that you couldn’t even dream of.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:21 am

      HUH..I still think getting laid is too expensive for the returns. BSing people isn’t worth an orgasm.

      When they are open and honest, maybe it will be worth my time

  27. K December 12, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    What’s your analysis of the guys who still try to do both, have a marriage and have affairs on the side? This still seems common among executives but do you think it’s a good strategy?

    The guys I know doing this seem happier than both monogamous men and players, but there’s the confounding factor that these guys also make a lot of money.

    [Roosh: Fine idea if you’re in a country where your cheating is not grounds for an easy divorce that takes half your income and your kids.]

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:24 am

      As long as I have to act like I’m in a “monogamous relationship,” there is no winning.

      Those guys are liars, not worthy of a paycheck or profit.

  28. SadieB December 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Dat bro – I am here because it’s interesting to see what the blind guys make of the elephant!!

    Ps the young girls I know haven’t found this fabled ‘cock carousel’ either. Of course they aren’t exactly looking for it.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:26 am

      You assume they are honest to you about their social digressions.
      Put them on lie detector tests and see how the answers change

  29. cheekykunt December 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    This is really bad because I’d like very much to have a friend who is a girl (not girlfriend), who I can confide in, who will cuddle with me, who I can talk to about my problems, etc., but every time I’ve tried this it’s blown up in my face. Because of the dynamic Roosh is describing they lose all respect for you if you do this, they see you as a chump to take advantage of, they try to get chores out of you and to manipulate you in all kinds of ways. The few girls I’ve tried it with also eventually tried to have a romantic or sexual relationship because I guess I’m good looking (not arrogant, just how it is), and if I refuse, there’s just titanic hatred and they start to insult you. And if you don’t refuse then you still get screwed because on the basis of friendship they start to expect and demand all kinds of things.

    I have very weak desire for women sexually, but would like one as a close friend, this is actually next to impossible as far as I can see. It all has to do with how they’re all primed to be sloots in this market and only respect men who treat them like the dogs they are, and EVEN IF YOU DON’T PURSUE THEM FOR SEX they’ll still try to treat you like a slave and a chump if you don’t treat them like a trashcan.

    I actually told some of these girls I like guys and despite being open minded and “liberal,” their resentment and hatred only multiplied, and/or they refused to believe me.

    Anyway this is the conclusion, the modern American woman wants one thing above all: to be pursued by all the men she knows, but to get power trips from turning 99% down, manipulating them, using them for attention and chores, and sportfucking the remaining 1%; and if you don’t want to fit in this model it’s like “it doesn’t compute.” Their hatred of men who are not interested in pursuing them is really so extreme as far as I can tell. They’re totally incapable of friendship.

    Anyone pursuing a relationship with a woman in this market is crazy, you can only control them the way you would a disobedient dog, but there can’t be a friendship or connection with them.

    1. marthaz February 4, 2016 at 4:36 am

      a) it sounds like you like men and should just admit it instead of blaming your failed relationships on women. we like to feel wanted by the men we are into, so it’s naturally going to fall apart if we don’t… and
      b) everything else you’re saying is patently untrue. women want to have meaningful relationships as much as anyone else, and when things are right between two people, there is no game playing on either end.

      1. James March 4, 2016 at 1:51 pm

        There is always game playing on the female end, that is what guys don’t get and that is why they seem so stupid.

      2. marthaz March 15, 2016 at 4:08 am

        my prediction is you (plural) will either get over this ridiculous and narcissistic fixation with women not being exactly the way you’d always like them to be, or you will end up single and unhappy. Us women, and most people in the real world have had to do the same thing, believe it or not. Life is a lot of compromising, and a lot of not getting exactly what you want. But if you can let go of negativity and blame there is room for some really beautiful stuff, including real, actual love. Best of luck

      3. James March 15, 2016 at 11:16 am

        Life and relationships involve a lot of compromise, but there is a limit. There are things that strain a relationship, and then there are things that utterly destroy it. Up with some things people cannot put, as the saying goes, for both men and women.

      4. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:38 am

        There is a reason the divorce rate is something like 50% with 70% of the cases initiated by women and 50% of those cases being entirely subjective reasons like “boredom”

      5. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:35 am

        Thats easy for you to say.

      6. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:31 am

        a)sex is not about the relationship unless your a whore profiting from the exchange…its why I don’t bang dudes

        b)meaningful relationships are built on equal exchange…IE, she doesn’t gain at all from it.

        c)the guy is correct. Relationships kill intercourse chances. Or are you trying to get us to believe all these +10 year marriages have vibrant sex lives?

  30. dat bro December 12, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    @28 SadieB

    Your ad hominem attack (that we’re blind) is to be expected.

    It seems to be the only response people can provide to arguments based on substantial life experience. As I said before, the commenters on this blog come from quite diverse backgrounds, and remarkably different degrees of sexual and relational success. If calling us all blind makes you feel better about yourself (lol), then by all means go ahead. Just know that while you dont take us seriously, none of us (and there is a lot more of us than you’d imagine) take you seriously either.

    PS: the “young girls” you know don’t need to FIND the cock carousel. IT finds THEM. This clearly shows you don’t understand how the dating and hookup culture works in our society today – your solipsistic logic falls on deaf ears as many of us nail girls who have been nailed countless times before.

    1. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:39 am

      Actually, “blind” is a ploy to get you back on their page.

  31. dat bro December 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    @29 – glad to see a fellow miscer awared to the way things really are.


    I don’t think pursuing a relationship with a woman in this market is crazy, however.

    Your problem: you need to Accept WOMEN for what they are. It seems like you already have a specific role for them (as friends/cuddle buddies) that THEY don’t want to fill.

    Remind yourself whenever you are frustrated with women: “Just be”

    “Just be” brah.

    Enjoy life in every regard, and when women come into your life (and they certainly will), do with them what makes you happy. If they don’t want the same, NO LOVE LOST! You’ll continue “just be”ing and they’ll go on their own way as well.

    Such is the life of the enlightened man.

    Part of the issue is that you are too outcome dependent on the women you come across actually fitting the role you want them to fit. Real tea, its their loss if they don’t want to fit that role and move on to an inferior male.

    The problem with you telling girls you like guys is because your BEHAVIOR says other ways. Your behavior is nothing like that of a gay man, they can tell by your body language and manner of speech that you like the pussy.

    Finally, who says you need to answer any of their demands at all?

    Have you tried making demands of girls?

    You’ll be surprised at how obedient women will be with the right game and behavior. Women WANT to be obedient to a desirable and dominant man.

    1. marthaz February 4, 2016 at 4:38 am

      why would a woman want to be with a man who only wants to cuddle and says he likes other men? would you want to be with a woman who does the same (doesn’t want to sleep w/ you and talks about how she is into women)? it’s crazy to even consider this as his partners’ fault in any way.

      1. James March 4, 2016 at 1:52 pm

        The poor guy is gay and is looking for a fag hag, leave him alone.

      2. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:41 am

        The crazy thing is all the extra demands just to have sex that won’t bare children…and the total lack of regard for the man’s risks

    2. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 10:40 am

      You realize that women that demand equality still put out 2-3x more when the dude pays for stuff?

  32. SadieB December 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Dat bro – I believe you when you say that’s your experience. However it only means the normal women are avoiding you FOR SOME CRAZY REASON

  33. dat bro December 12, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    @32 SadieB:

    Again, think what you want.

    Not once in my comments did I say normal women are avoiding me.

    I have a girlfriend, and we’ve been together for 10 months. She’s quite normal, at least normal enough not to be trolling manosphere blogs and calling everyone who reads them “blind”

    1. marthaz March 15, 2016 at 4:11 am

      I wonder what happened when she found out her “normal” boyfriend was part of the “manosphere” (gag) I know that would be a deal-breaker for most normal women

  34. cheekykunt December 12, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    datbro yes I agree with what you’re saying, but I don’t WANT these women to obey me, I want what I told you. As for smashing that’s fine but I don’t want to have an affectionate friendship with a woman I’m smashing. It’s a 19th century taste, I’d like a girl to confide in. Yes I know women want to obey, this is the problem I don’t WANT to command them or treat them like a dog, and if you don’t do that they don’t respect you.

    Admittedly mine is a niche taste, most guys don’t understand why I’d want a girl who’s just a friend, but I do, and it’s impossible. As for moving on, I do, I’m just complaining that it’s impossible because they’re all primed to be sloots now and even if you’re not beta and following them for pussy, they’ll still try to chump you.

  35. SadieB December 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Dat bro – I got what I want and so do you apparently, so what’s the problem? Unless you’ve got one of those ubiquitous cock- bouncing hoors and that’s not what you wanted.

    Really, you’re just proving my point.

    Ps – for all you know I AM your girlfriend!! You left yourself logged in last time, fool.

  36. Anonymous December 12, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Sad sad days for western civilization.

  37. cheekykunt December 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    PS datbro what is your bb handle O_o

  38. The Private Man December 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    “Dat bro – I am here because it’s interesting to see what the blind guys make of the elephant!!”

    Hehehehe… the “blind guys” are actually the ones the most open of eyes. As we share information (love the ‘Net), we see a commonality of experience that results in some excellent wisdom about women, dating, and relationships.

  39. Apollo December 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm


    Sharks don’t want advice from the tuna they are trying to catch. We’d rather get it from successful sharks who have experience in these regards. That doesn’t mean that we aren’t cognizant of what you’re saying, we just realize the futility in all of it since most advice women bring to the table goes against our interests, or is loaded with perverse incentives.

  40. J Doe December 12, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I couldn’t stop laughing when you compared the price of pussy of bandwidth. Reminds me of Dave Chappelle’s “If pussy was a stock, the stock would be plummeting right now” Roosh, you keep it too real man.

    1. James March 4, 2016 at 1:54 pm

      Or could it be more like a commodity on the futures market, where 90% of the “investors” lose their shirts?

  41. sadieb December 12, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    apollo – i dont recall giving any advice. just pointed out some faulty assumptions.

  42. gringoed December 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    really intelligent post Roosh. bravo

  43. American Man December 12, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Here is why I find the situation in America so funny. Feminism has helped the Alpha patriarchs the most (Executives with 7 girlfriends, basketball players, politicians) in getting easy sex and hurt the regular guys who are left with crumbs. But its actually the average women who have been hurt the most.

    In terms of women, feminism has hurt the average women the most, average women are now most likely single instead of married with a supporter, more likely to be unhappy and unhealthy, and instead of kids and respect they work some job that they hate with occasional hook ups with guys just using them for sex. American feminism helped really only the top guys and women and hurt average women the most! Why did they hurt the average women the most?

    Because average guys with a little money can simply leave for greener pastures where they will have a much more enjoyable sex life and partners whereas the average American woman is not wanted by ANYBODY! HAHAHAHA The fat, angry, average american woman ends up with the shortest end of the stick thanks to feminism! What the feminists don’t realize, its actually the patriarchy that helped the average lot of them because without the patriarchy why should guys pay for something they can get for free? Why should they work for you when your fat, ugly, unfeminine, and bossy? Have fun working till you die now that you’ve destroyed the patriarchy!

    I’m less than a month away from never being in the US again. Thank god.

  44. Anonymous December 12, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    funniest article i have read in the very loong time. wow. fucking classic from first read.

  45. nek December 12, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    All you’re doing by doing the “mini-relationship” thing is simply what alot of women have been doing for years. The difference being, when a guys over a relationship, he’ll typically end it then and there regardless of him having another lined up, whereas women will stay with a guy for a long time until the new guy comes along and then the honeymoon feelings are back. Once again, it’s why guys feel a little more blind-sided when women end things and are immediately in the arms of a new guy. They’ll be over you but still keep you around, and this requires some demonstration of interest in their part even though they are over you.

    Alot of women are “in love with being in love”. It’s like chasing the pink dragon. You never catch him, and it’s not a strong foundation for a relationship.

  46. Anonymous December 12, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    excellent work. brilliant analogy.

  47. mguy December 12, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Had a discussion with this with my roomie as he is getting into a relationship.

    I asked why should a guy enter a commitment when he has access to a harem type situation.

    Of course he answers like a beta, “because some people just want real relationships”.

    At 28, I don’t see the value of getting into a deep relationship… at least not with an American girl.

  48. decomposer917 December 12, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Brilliant observation. However, I can’t help but ask – if things were different. If pussy was an expensive, hard to get commodity these days, wouldn’t it make your (Roosh’s) purpose of having sexual adventures all over the world so much harder?

  49. KN December 13, 2012 at 12:04 am

    “Fast forward to today and I don’t get nearly as many emails from guys expressing their desire for girlfriends or marriage.”

    could that be because they now go to Athol at MMSL?

    JohnGalt2: the car analogy is a good one from an economics perspective as it brings out the issue of moral hazard – the seller knows the state of what she’s selling, but the buyer can’t be sure its a lemon

  50. Alpha Mission December 13, 2012 at 12:34 am

    Excellent post. No commodity has shaped civilization more than pussy.

  51. Derrick December 13, 2012 at 12:38 am

    @48, if pussy was an expensive, hard to get commodity, either:

    A.) There would be no point in game, might as well just give up and watch porn.


    B.) It would be an asset worth hanging on to instead of trading in every few months or weeks.

  52. Apollo December 13, 2012 at 1:36 am


    I was referring to your line “blind guys and the elephant”. In those terms, I find that the blind guys actually do better in describing the true nature of elephants than the actual elephants. That’s pretty much where my post came from.

  53. По реке December 13, 2012 at 1:44 am

    IMO the best thing about accepting this mindset is that it puts the onus on the woman to make commitment worth it. If a girl convinces me she’s worth the effort of an LTR, cool, if not, back to mini-relationships I go.

    Also it’s interesting that from the little I’ve read of Casanova the “mini-relationship” is basically how he went about things. Be the flame…

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  55. Wigwam December 13, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Feminists are so stupid!

    By freeing up the better looking women to have as much sex as they want, they have lowered the value of pussy and made their own worth less than nothing.

    Feminists are such ugly awful cunts that they would have to pay a man to be with her.

    They thought they could be smarter than men just by saying they’re smarter. Didn’t work bitches! Pay for your folly now.

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  57. D247 December 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Lol @ the mini-relationship.

    This reminds me of the mini-retirement concept in Tim Ferriss’s book “The 4-Hour Workweek.”

    Mini-relationships and mini-retirements.

  58. Fluffy McGee December 13, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    @ Saddie B

    Believe it or not your commentary on these issues are pretty cliche at this point. Let’s review the list of Feminist attack points you’ve managed so far:

    1. It doesn’t exist, you guys are idiots.

    Sorry hun, it does exist.

    2. Well if it exists, only sluts participate.

    True, we manwhores fuck a lot of sluts, but trust me there are plenty of “normal” girls who join in the fun as well. Your attempts to seperate yourself from your alter ego known as hypergamy are laughable here…

    3. Well I’m happy and got a man.

    Duh, this is probably the best option for you at this point. When your wall hits, he starts fucking his secretary, and divorce rolls around, you’ll be back in the dating market, and all those alphas who used to try to charm their way into your panties everyday won’t even take notice of you.

    At this point in life women typically go full circle and move to full blown feminism, where they blame all the world’s problems on men, and ask for more reparations all the while suckling at the establishments teat of unemployment, alimony and child support.

    Another vagina monologue is born, and another beta male is be born into a world that will give him nothing, unless he finds us.

    1. Alex December 11, 2016 at 11:00 am

      This is why I don’t understand why some guys on the manosphere whine and complain about feminists and there not being any kind, caring girls in the western world to have relationships with. You’ve finally gotten what you all want: free sex without any commitment.
      If the thought of you growing old alone, without children, or in the company of primarily gold digging women isn’t so bad, then why are a lot of you still unsatisfied? Could it be that at the end of the day, just as sluts do, men also eventually realize that there isn’t much fulfillment in whoring around during your eligible years? No, of course not! You’ll still be just as appealing to the hot 20 year olds when you’re all fat, bald, pudgy and 50.

      It’s funny when men on the manosphere delude themselves into thinking that they have the upper hand and think that they’re playing sluts. Newsflash: the sluts are playing you too. If all your shaming or degrading tactics such as ‘riding the carousel’ or ‘replacing them with newer models’ or my personal favorite ‘cum receptacle’ actually worked, there would be a lot less sluts these days. But sluts LOVE sex and as long as you guys keep offering it to them and maintaining your game, they’ll keep taking it. And remember, don’t ever slack for one second on your alpha attributes, otherwise they’ll trade you in for better alphas. Just as rotating through a lot of sluts gives you joy, climbing up the hypergamy tree gives women joy and allows them to enjoy the alphas before they settle down with betas.

      By the way, no-fault divorce and alimony slightly decreases the chances that a husband would be ‘fucking his secretary’, unless he wants to lose half his assets and his children in the divorce. Kudos though, to the ones that do it without getting caught.
      Only the women that piss away all of their relatively young, fertile years, are the truly dumb ones and have lost out of the game. But a smart slut knows to play around for a while and then snag a husband and then maintain the threat of divorce to keep her husband in line and prevent him from leaving her. As much as men hate no fault divorce, it has been a pretty good tool to keep husbands responsible. Also, just as there are ‘alphas’ avoiding commitment, there will still be (actually, even more) ‘betas’ willing to get married. And older (>40?) women generally seek companionship more than anything, since their sexual drive decreases and there really isn’t much need for an ‘alpha’ anymore. A beta (for which there are plenty) will do just fine for her companionship needs.

      This is why I love nature and society! Haha. It always finds a way to balance and maintain the power evenly, amongst the sexes. Relationships and marriage aren’t about love and trust anymore, it’s all just a transaction based on money, sex and whoever has the upper hand. I truly hope the feminists and the manosphere supporters are happy. The battle does not look like it’s ending anytime soon and its just entertaining to watch from the sidelines.

  59. Anonymous December 13, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    @D247 Perfect for today’s mini-paychecks

  60. SadieB December 13, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Well, Mr Fluffy, i guess someday I must slink quietly away clutching my two mangy cats, whilst mourning the simultaneous departure of my fertility, looks &handsome, funny husband.

    But still I say – if you don’t believe in love YOUR SOUL WILL DIE.

  61. Georgia Boy December 14, 2012 at 8:16 am

    I think Roosh fell into the trap of generalizing his personal experience. The marginal price of sex, that is, the price of one more sex partner over and above what he’s already paid in terns of the work of forging and honing his game, is approaching zero, for him. But most men are betas, and still trying to acquire girlfriends and wives the old way, by having passive game like good jobs, being in shape, essentially being good husband material. The price for these men has gone up, because women are less interested and want to ride the carousel longer. Also I’m pessimistic that game will ever help most men get laid. I’m not saying game doesn’t work, I’m saying that the 80/20 rule will always hold true, game or no. Women’s hypergamy will simply start requiring men to have higher skills with game before the guy gets bangs. The game Jedi-masters like Roosh will still get lots of notches regardless, but most guys will just find women getting even colder and more demanding until they give up.

  62. JS December 14, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I disagree with Sadie saying that the problem doesn’t exist, but I agree that if you don’t believe in love your souls will die. It’s like the women who have spent their twenties on the carousel can no longer emotionally attach to men or form stable families once they’re in their 30s.

  63. Dragicka December 14, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    I agree with a part of this one. It doesn’t surprise me that guys are adapting to the trend, and are no longer interested in LTR’s with the typical girl nowadays. And there’s definitely nothing in it for us when it comes to marriage.

    The second part of the message is that women have been hurt more than men by all this, and I’m not sure that I agree. Sure, we might be looking at an alpha male paradise, but I’m sure that a lot more guys are suffering today compared to 50+ years ago, when being a good provider was (I suppose?) enough to land something decent.

    However I kinda blame the technology (Roosh already wrote an excellent blog about the smartphone, by the way) more than feminism itself.

    Even if you’re a guy with good social skills, the fact that it has gotten easier for them to get attention and entertainment works against you a lot.

    And, don’t forget how the laws have been gradually rigged against you!

  64. NG85 December 14, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Great post. I spent 22 years of my life wanting a long-term, committed relationship. I got one lasting over 2 years, and when it was over I was sick of the concept of dating a modern, “enlightened” post-feminism 20-something female. I dated around a bit and found that friends with benefits situations were so much easier to maintain – You get the sex with none of the headaches.

    I’ve been seeing a friend with benefits for over a year now, but we never committed. Had we committed, this would’ve been the second longest relationship of my life. Do I regret seeing a girl for so long with no actual relationship? FUCK. NO.

  65. MaMu1977 December 15, 2012 at 12:37 am


    The “cock carousel” works like this-
    Is a woman engaging in regular bouts of commitment-free sexual intercourse with strange men (or with loosely affiliated men within her environment?) She’s on the carousel, even if her liaisons occur once a month or less. Even if she only hops on when she’s overseas. Even if she only hops on when no one sees (like the girls who go at it in bathrooms.) Even if they don’t dress in “slut gear” or brag about how they “got sooooooo drunk last night”.

    To me, it sounds like your image of a carousel rider is a “Jersey Shore” lookalike. Tight tube dress or skintight jeans and lacy shirt, 4-5 inch heels, enough makeup to choke a horse, giant hoop or dangling earrings… She spends all weekend at clubs or slips on “hooker boots” when she joins her workmates at 6PM ever day at the bar, where she drinks like a fish and dances to Katy Perry or Ke$ha songs until midnight. When (not if) she hooks up, its as clinical as a Pap smear, done in some cozy milk or random bathroom, then only brought up after Eggnog #3 with friends.

    But you have to understand one thing: cock is cock. It doesn’t matter if she gets laid every week, every month or as much as possible on her yearly vacation, it still counts. If she goes out in comfy clothes, drinks three martinis in one night out and only goes out and gets laid with one guy a month, that’s still a dozen different guys in a year (*even if* she dates each guy for 3-6 weeks before breaking up, even if they only have sex in beds behind closed doors without witnesses.) Unless you’re living in a small town, finding a new guy (charming or plain) every month who could be considered bedworthy is easy. Visit any metropolitan area and you can find thousands of potential “the Ones” (some of them as perfect as soulmates, some of them just too hot to resist.)
    Women may not *brag* about having a slip up or five, but it does nothing to erase the slipup. The guy who slips up with them remembers, the guy(s) who missed out or who weren’t seen as good enough remember, the guy(s) who saw the events and become disillusioned because they didn’t think that she was “that kind of girl” (or who hear about the events secondhand), they remember. When those women get older and decide to “settle down”, then their prospective husbands travel to their hometowns or to other places and they run into a few guys who knew their fiancee as “Loose Lisa”, it matters. It has nothing to do with what she did, it has everything to do with how she did it. And in an alimony + child support + public condemnation world (for the men who become “not good enough” 4 to 7 years after the last child is born), taking a risk on a former carousel rider is foolhardy.

  66. SadieB December 15, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    MaMu – so… Kind of a female Roosh , is what you’re saying?

    I don’t deny they exist, it’s just that I don’t believe they exist in vast numbers. Even male Rooshs don’t exist in vast numbers after all.

    I do think they dress to catch the male eye ( no judging, I’m one of the few females in my profession that dresses like a girl any more) but that’s why guys think they’re the only women out there. They’re the only women they ‘see’!

    BTW, I don’t think that men should therefore lower their looks standards. I agree with Roosh’s long ago advice to women who cant find a man, part of which was ‘dress feminine’. Also ‘lose weight’!

  67. ATC December 15, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    After-the-bang is so important. Even after game, innate betas are still going to find subtle differences in the women they end up with, compared with alphas.

    Game-aware betas will still end up with a disproportionately high number of women with flaky or missing daddies who sniff out the “provider” side of their man.

    These girls will demand more of your time/resources than the got-it-together, self-sufficient girls whom alphas can manipulate into paying their bills and mothering them.

    So pass up most opportunities for LTRs until you’re sure you’re getting the kind of gf that a true alpha gets.

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  70. Emily December 17, 2012 at 10:54 am

    This theory is not new or novel, anti-feminists have been trying to scare women away from feminism by telling them they’ll end up as used-up spinsters since the 80s.

    “In terms of women, feminism has hurt the average women the most, average women are now most likely single instead of married with a supporter, more likely to be unhappy and unhealthy, and instead of kids and respect they work some job that they hate with occasional hook ups with guys just using them for sex. ”

    Actually, you’re wrong in just about every word. Check out this research showing how women have gained more ground than ever since feminism took off. Notice how unmarried men used to outearn married men and women; no longer the case. Meanwhile, unmarried women are closing the income gap on unmarried men.

    Also, check out the volumes of research about how married men are happier and mentally healthier than both married women and unmarried men.

    Applying market economics to sex and dating makes sense, but Roosh’s analogy above only works for a person for whom each pussy is truly interchangeable. If you can honestly believe that every woman is interchangeable and equivalent with any other, then you will benefit in exactly the way Rooshy describes. If deep inside you still get attached to particular women, the benefits no longer work. That’s the market, too. Say you’re a big fan of John Q MovieStar and you find out his home is for sale. It’s a great home, but it’s also–to you at least–uniquely great because unlike any other home it is the former home of John Q MovieStar. Suddenly you’re willing to pay a lot more for it because it is not interchangeable with any other similarly-apportioned house.

    Or, as the Little Prince learned:

    The little prince said, “What does that mean–‘tame’?”

    “It is an act too often neglected,” said the fox. It means to establish ties.”

    “‘To establish ties’?”

    “Just that,” said the fox. “To me, you are still nothing more than a little boy who is just like a hundred thousand other little boys. And I have no need of you. And you, on your part, have no need of me. To you, I am nothing more than a fox like a hundred thousand other foxes. But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world…”

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  72. Viajante December 19, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I am in my mid-thirties and since my second divorce a couple of years ago, I have engaged in a series of mini-relationships. I genuinely enjoy a real intimacy with the women I am involved with. I do all of the things Roosh listed, and I even really enjoy getting to know all of them. I don’t see pussy as interchangabe; I appreciate every “mini-relationship” as something unique.
    But at the end of the day, I know that there is another woman just as interesting, just as beautiful, and just as fun waiting right around the corner. My tolerance for drama and bullshit is minimal, and I have no qualms at all about ending it with a woman, knowing full well that I can enter into another mini-relationship in the next week or two.

    I can say that in neither of my two marriages was I happy. Sure, the honeymoon stage was great, but that quickly wore off. I won’t go into details about my divorces. As bad as they were, they wouldn’t shock or surprise any of the readers of this blog. Suffice it to say that I invested so much into those relationships that it was gut-wretching to watch them deteriorate.

    Now I shake my head at my married friends who have to ask permission from their wife to go out, travel, or even spend the money they earned. These are regular guys and I see the same thing everywhere I go and it’s pathetic. I would never put myself in that situation again.

    With mini-relationships, it’s like I eternally live in the honeymooon stage. I get all of the intimacy, sex, affection, and partnership without any of the headaches. I don’t make any promises I don’t keep and I don’t expect any assurances from my girlfriends either. We have a great time together, and when that ends the relationship is over.

  73. Emily December 19, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    To be honest, I don’t practice monogamy myself. But there’s two big differences between my “mini-relationships” and the ones Roosh describes. One is that I, like you, never promise my partners I’m going to date them forever, nor do I ask them to make such promises to me, whereas Roosh seems to advocate pretending you are offering them a future when you’re not. The second is that when they end, I don’t view it as tossing aside a depreciated asset. It usually comes from a mutual recognition that for whatever reason, our relationship is no longer making us both happy, and we remember that at some point we cared about each other’s happiness and we release each other so that we can each be happy again instead of beating our heads against the wall of a dysfunctional relationship that is beyond repair. One of my current boyfriends has been in that role for about a year and a half, and we’ve both had multiple even-minier relationships during the time we’ve been together. I’m still in friendly contact with all of the ones I’m no longer seeing, bar none. That’s the great thing about breaking up before you start to hate each other.

  74. omar December 20, 2012 at 1:05 am

    @DaTbRO: “You now have girls showering college guys (like myself) with gifts, drinks, favors, with the expectation of nothing in return..”

    mmm..EXCUSE me.,in which TV show or reality this does happen? Or in your dreams?

    All I see is , as usual, men chasing girls and in some weird cases, crazy girls with low self esteem begging after their boyfriends

  75. JulesK December 24, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Every woman needs to read this.

  76. Anonymous January 2, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    interesting. but, what about the underlying biological imperative for game, i.e. propagating your genes through children? surely a stable marriage is better than a mini relationship for that purpose.

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  79. AxelayBR August 5, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Man, this text is brilliant! One of the best I’ve ever read about current game status!

  80. cynic77 December 9, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Reminds me of a great quote I heard several years ago: “If it flies, floats, or fucks, it’s cheaper to rent.”

  81. OceanBound May 20, 2014 at 2:30 am

    This is all good, but the reality is that a woman is not just her body, so you can’t say that she’s a deprecating asset. There’s a lot that can grow between a man and a woman and the value for the man is not just the woman’s pussy. Roosh knows this, I’m sure, but his business is not about that.

    The problem is, that takes a huge effort and a lot of work on both sides. Since most people are not capable of this (difficult indeed) work, marriages and relationships fail.

    So in the meantime, I’m all for playing, banging and having fun. But some men will have their eyes set on the much difficult task of building something deeper, because men love challenge and love growth. And if it doesn’t happen, there’s the not bad alternative of having a variety of women. At least that’s how I see things.

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  83. Luís Simões de Almeida October 26, 2014 at 4:23 am

    Oh god this is too true to be good…

  84. RebelAlliance December 29, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    Good article Roosh! Spot on!

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  86. fmf March 22, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    Sooo… Why do men not cost money again? They have sex to offer, and women earn money too, so…?

  87. fmf March 22, 2015 at 12:45 pm

    Your world sounds very lonely roosh.

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  90. sasha August 5, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    I have my answer. I was wondering if you consciously lower women in your articles in order to lower their ‘price’ for sex, the value of women, their self confidence and so on.
    And indeed, you admit that what you resent in those not lowering women is them making women more valuable:
    ‘Those who artificially inflate the value of pussy (beta males and white knights) will unfortunately not be able to obtain it at true value pricing.’

    A better way than lowerin women value would have more value yourself, but that is something you can’t touch

    1. Pablo Escobar October 14, 2015 at 10:02 am

      Nope. The women lower their own value by flooding the market with easy sex.

  91. tracelle February 6, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    “Feminism has done an amazing job of turning pussy into a commodity..”

    Um, it’s been that way for millenia…

  92. jay February 8, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    Did you ever think that women want sex too?

  93. atil79 March 9, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    I have been doing this without realizing it. Mini relationships are so much more convenient. In America there is no real incentive for men to get married. Men consistently get the shaft. All my married friends get less sex, more attitude and ridiculous expectations that their wives would have never asked when they were dating. The worst part is if they ever divorce, my guy friends all make more than their wives, they will get stuck paying for alimony and kids. Give me a mini relationship or a long term relationship with no marriage any day.

  94. theWrongHero March 23, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    This kind of relationships is trendy were I live, they are called “worse is nothing”.

  95. Bongstar420 April 21, 2016 at 9:26 am

    I think the author confuses the nature of “free.”

    I consider the cost of maintaining a harem to as high as a “relationship.” It is also more dangerous for me with the legal system tied around the female pinky.

    How does one obtain a harem without maintaining an extensive “friend” network, engaging in frequent social outings, and constantly proving status to be worthy of that pussy? There is more, but you should get the gist of it.

  96. disqus_2015ScorpioWater August 3, 2016 at 11:40 am

    Its not men using women, its women using men for companionship, and men doing most of the work, providing most of the resources and doing most of the work for a limited amount of companionship and sex that the woman provides to the man. Real relationships today do not exist, women do not want men do be fathers to their kids. Saw a movie staring Lucille Ball and Peter Fonda, about two widows with children living in San Francisco in 1968, the two wind up getting married, buy a large house and have their children from a previous marriage live together from a previous marriage like the Brady Bunch, you would never see a family like that in America today.
    Today if you see two adults like that, they would meet in a motel, fuck, then go back to work, go back to their kids eat dinner go to sleep, go to work, then meet again fuck, then go back to their kids. The two adults would never ever be a part of each other’s children’s lives. They would never form a real family, ever.

  97. disqus_2015ScorpioWater August 3, 2016 at 11:43 am

    And its not just men who are consumers of pornography, look at 50 Shades of Grey, its enjoyed mostly by women, its a twisted and perverted film, but mostly women enjoy it, shows the mindset of modern women. The director of the movie is nearly 50 years old but is married to a man nearly 30 years her junior.

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  100. Donald Holland August 16, 2018 at 11:44 am

    Not even mini. If one’s proposed “date” is on Facebook, that social media is the best speed dating and saves much wasted time and money which a satisfied man can use wisely.

  101. Chuoyao Zhang August 29, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    It can go both ways. The girl can dump you after a mini relationship as well. It’s all about options. The only stable relationship is when both parties don’t have options in dating market. When people think they have options, relationship becomes hard to maintain.