The Wall Is Softer Than We Think

One popular maxim of the manosphere is the wall. It goes something like this:

Once a girl is done riding the cock carousel, she will find herself at an age and lower attractiveness where she can no longer get the alpha male she wants. She will then have no choice but to load up on cats or find a low-status male to marry, one who she wouldn’t have even considered in the past.

As far as objective truth, this maxim is quite accurate—a woman will not be able to get a man as hot or alpha or rich at 35 than 25, but I’m afraid to tell you that this doesn’t give us as much deliverance as you may think.

Levels of thirst in America are higher than any other country I’ve been in. Men are so desperate for women that they will date way below their value in order to achieve a basic relationship. This means that they will not only accept—but fight over—a spinster woman at 35 who finally has decided to stop getting pumped and dumped. These men, while not in the elite like she could have had in the past, is still better than most men this woman could have gotten in her prime had she been born and raised in a man-poor country outside of the West. And because a woman’s rationalization mechanism is so strong, she will have no problems finding happiness at 35 after marrying the whipped beta that she can easily control, convincing herself that it’s what she wanted all along. The wall for women is more like a speed bump that any woman with half a brain can easily pass at high speed.

There’s another way to look at it. A man’s prime in terms of value to women falls somewhere in his 30’s. Even at this stage, when he is most attractive to women, he will still find it harder to find worthy mates than a woman the same age as him. This is how one-sided the dating game—at least in the West—is skewed to the woman’s favor, and any new technology or “innovation” like texting, smartphones, Facebook, internet dating, and so on only makes it easier for women by increasing their ability to find mates while forcing the bottom 90% of men to lower themselves through clown game or copy pasta begging on OK Cupid.

We all want to believe that women will be punished for their bad decisions in life, because there’s no doubt that as men we are punished for ours. We want to think that women will be reprimanded for passing on good men in their prime to have sex with bad boys who don’t care about them. But very few will. They will have their cake and eat it too, simply because they have a vagina in a time and place where vagina has the highest value it has ever had. Women will collide with the wall, dust themselves off, and make a couple modifications to their internet dating accounts and selfie picture angles to keep the men flowing as if they never left college, while we are essentially born falling onto the wall, having to always strategize and put tremendous effort to get laid. In my recent stay in America I was shocked to see the nearly unlimited choice that women over 30 still have to at least get sex, and if you tell them about the wall they would not understand what you speak of. The wall, we must now admit to ourselves, has just as much power in our minds as in reality.

There will be no redemption. There will be no comeuppance. For most of their lives, women will have it easier than us, no matter how much we work out, how many books we read, how many languages we learn, and how decent or moral or virtuous we become. I choose not to deceive myself by finding solace in the wall. I choose not to think that in ten years her life will be worse off because of how she treated me, because I know she will still have more choice in the dating market than I will have even at my peak. The truth is that any woman who rejects me today will never regret it. Even after making every mistake in the book, she will still have a man waiting for her, and I will still have to work.

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  1. Molnár András June 25, 2014 at 9:14 am

    They might get some beta to settle with, but they are going to hate his ass, and divorce him after a few years.

    Then she will piss away all her money to designer bags, and brings up dysfunctional children in a single woman household. There is a probability their childeren will hate her ass when they are grown up and never contact her again.

    I would not exactly call this winning. Useless, empty life of a clusterfuck western woman chapter 1-10.

    1. HettGutt June 25, 2014 at 10:33 am

      “The she will piss away all *his* money, both saved wealth and current income, and her $50,000/yr dole from Government for a job well done…”

    2. seth datta June 25, 2014 at 12:50 pm

      women will have it easier relative to men for another 10-15 years. Then the bankster society will have divided and enslaved all in the west, so both men and women will be psychologically beaten for cash as they become accustomed to lower and lower wages as befits a slave, where even the gov gives them no help. They will work all day to support the society whilst the children immigrate from abroad. The second AR will take place as a number of minor revolts which fail – its too late, as the bankster control over society is more insidious and complete in the west at the moment, though most are unaware of this.

      There will be no sex. No love. Only slavery to paying the bills for food, utilities and taxes. No one will speak out for risk of being ostracised from society’s supplies, without which they will be unable to live. After many decades of chaos and destruction, a new generation will understand under guidance that marriage and children are the only way a society can preserve itself. Those people will not come from most of the west.

      A depressing future for it is true. But out of truth comes a better foundation than a society based upon layers of lies intended to blind people from reality. It’s time to leave the lies, all of them, behind.

    3. Johnny June 26, 2014 at 12:19 pm

      useless empty life of cluster fuck western women would make a good book

    4. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 11:55 am

      Don’t lie to yourself. Women love beta males. Of course many would like to fuck alphas behind their backs, but hey, better than being alone (or not for many, and these many women are happy to stay alone; remember, women bound with each other extremely well so they can get all the affection they need from their friends, and sex from their dildos or random desperate men wiling to just lick their pussies as demanded from time to time)!

      1. panait ciprian September 20, 2016 at 3:03 am

        women bond with each other… thanx for the laugh, I needed it. The only bonding women seem to have is when they are whinning. that is not true bonding.

  2. Grody June 25, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Ive been ruminating on the same subject and come to the same conclusion as you Roosh. In the end though, it isn’t even about comeuppance. Its about influence. Men have more. More power, more money, more (practical) intelligence, more charisma, more agency over our own lives. I would rather be the captain of my own fate than have more power in the dating market to sponge off of my betters. Everything has a tradeoff.

    yes yes i know… this statement dose not hold up to one in every 50 cases, I’m well aware.

    1. desbest June 25, 2014 at 11:03 am

      Men have more power and money? 80% of women are outearning men in 33/50 of America’s biggest cities who are single with no children, when compared to men of the same equivalence. Also the average man does not have power? Stop looking at the top, and look at the average man.

      1. Grody June 25, 2014 at 2:44 pm

        You want some cheese with that whine?

      2. lol June 25, 2014 at 6:18 pm

        Most consumer spending is directed by women.

        Excluding perhaps the top first or second percentile of wealthy men, they control far more wealth in aggregate.

        They also vote more and tend to vote en bloc to promote women’s interests at the expense of other groups, including their own men and their own children.

        If you are an American man, you are the bitch in this infernal “relationship” like it or not.

      3. evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2014 at 5:04 am

        “They also vote more and tend to vote en bloc to promote women’s interests at the expense of other groups”
        So what’s stopping men from doing the same back to women?
        Oh, that’s right.
        We don’t vote cuz both sides are totally screwed, man and cuz voting for the “lesser of two evils” (spoiler alert: THE GOP!!!!) is just some corny line that our crusty old government teacher said cuz we’re all still in high school and know everything de-oooodes!

      4. lol June 26, 2014 at 2:35 pm

        “So what’s stopping men from doing the same back to women?”

        You’re right, but there’s more to it than that. There are deep behavioral factors in play:

        Men lack women’s overwhelming in-group preferential bias.

        The uniquely male “White Knight” derangement. (Many will avidly vote against their own interests when women are involved.)

        Rise of maternalism. The female social cohesion dynamic, call it what you will, requires aggressive suppression of dissent. Complain, you’re pilloried. Actually exercise what power you have, they go for the balls and excomminicate and defenestrate you. (See Brendan Eich.)

        And so on.

        Once women are given political power by men, men’s interests naturally take a back burner. They are usually ignored entirely… until they damage politically powerful women.

        Want to reduce defense spending and needless foreign wars? Instate an equal draft, put women on the front lines in combat.

        Want to reform the rapacious “family court” system? Make women pay alimony, enforce child support confiscation equally.

        Never gonna happen, except maybe for a few unintended consequences here and there (like second- and third-wife-paid alimony) that will quickly be corrected.

      5. alex brown June 26, 2014 at 10:26 am

        He wasn’t whining he was pointing out the facts. Accusing someone of whining is what losers do when they can’t debate. Offer a decent rebuttal or admit he is right.

        Women have more social power than men, that is a fact.

      6. Grody June 26, 2014 at 11:14 am

        Alright fine. You two can wake up every morning in your concrete jungle and say “I have less power than women.” Has it ever occurred that nobody is forcing you to stay packed like sardeens in trains and studio apartments? Now if you’ll excuse me, I have some bulls to haul.

      7. alex brown June 26, 2014 at 11:18 am

        Non sequitur.

        You don’t debate in a very masculine way, in fact you seem to debate like a fucking woman.

        What the fuck does the facts and sexual market place, and the rest of society got to do with me? Why bring up personal shit? You know jack shit about me or the other poster.

        Being aware of female social power is important, to navigate through life, you have to be aware of how things really work. Men have to be aware of cause and effect.

        Women operate on emotions and I am not a woman, are you?

        I am moving to a quiet peaceful part of the country. Are you stuck in a concrete jungle?

      8. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 11:07 am

        Its not whining, the country’s gone weak. Its communist. There is no changing it.

    2. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 3:27 am

      ” Men have more. More power, more money, more (practical) intelligence, more charisma, ”

      This is feminist troll astro-turfing. Nice try.

  3. Dinky Wang June 25, 2014 at 9:51 am

    I was at a BBQ the other weekend where I met a 38 year old divorcee. Typical western cunt: rude, mouthy, loud, and shameless in telling stories of her sexual past. She was 25 pounds overweight with saggy tits, a saggy stomach, and even her ass was sagging. She delighted in telling everyone how she recently hooked up with a professional wrestler and how he had told her she was an amazing lay. She had also invited over some poor beta she met on POF for a first meeting. She, true to form, didn’t like him and spent the afternoon ignoring him before taking off to drive over to some other guy’s place to get fucked. This article reflects the reality we men in Western countries face daily.

    1. guest June 25, 2014 at 12:31 pm

      We are all supposedly “equal” in western society and yet the woman which you speak of is considered to be of more value than at least 50% of men.

      Equality would be a step down for women.

      1. Model 800 June 25, 2014 at 1:41 pm

        Never forget that some animals really are more equal than others on our Western animal farms.

      2. Orwell June 25, 2014 at 3:11 pm

        And women say that men are the pigs.

      3. Guest September 9, 2014 at 12:14 pm

        Men say women are bitches, so…

      4. evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2014 at 4:43 am

        The goal of feminism is to reduce men to women.
        The goal of anti-feminism is to reduce women to men.

      5. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 12:09 pm

        The goal of feminism is to rise women to the same place as men.
        The goal of anti-feminism is to make sure women are the only ones suffering. A lot.

      6. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 12:14 pm

        We all have the same rights, so yes, equal under the law.
        Now tell me: how is that women’s fault so many men are that weak for and obsessed with pussy? In fact, I read many men here actually admitting they would use all their power if they could attract pussy the same way as women attract cock. That is all envy, dude. For real.

    2. E. Dantes June 25, 2014 at 12:43 pm

      Imagine walking around in the skin of the woman you just described. That woman’s very existence is her comeuppance. What kind of man envies the ‘options’ of a woman like that?

      1. Model 800 June 25, 2014 at 1:45 pm

        Problem is, if you did, then your cerebrum would be degraded in accordance with the rest of your unsightly mass, so you literally wouldn’t feel it at all.

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      3. Halfasian July 22, 2014 at 10:56 am

        Sexual options? Basically, being able to get laid for free any night you wish, doing minimal work, with ok looking partners… though not the top 20% bracket, and without long term prospects.

        Are you sure you would refuse that sort of deal? I, for one, would consider it. While I’m not the one to envy others, if there was a guy in her situation… I’d be hard pressed not to envy him.

      4. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 12:17 pm

        Many kinds of men, including the naturally insecure and envious guys we have on this site?
        That woman couldn’t lay the hottest men, but so couldn’t most men who also look like her. And between all this men, who are her equal, she can still choose and still catch a loving beta male who will remain faithful to her for the rest of her life. That is the reality.

      5. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 12:17 pm

        Many kinds of men, including the naturally insecure and envious guys we have on this site?
        That woman couldn’t lay the hottest men, but so couldn’t most men who also look like her. And between all this men, who are her equal, she can still choose and still catch a loving beta male who will remain faithful to her for the rest of her life. That is the reality.

    3. Mike Hunt June 25, 2014 at 8:49 pm

      Was it the same broad from the Hulk Hogan sex tape? (More like a 5th string has-been from an outfit like Smokey Mountain Wrestling Federation).

    4. evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2014 at 4:35 am

      “She delighted in telling everyone how she recently hooked up with a professional wrestler and how he had told her she was an amazing lay.”
      And you believed her?

      1. evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2014 at 4:38 am

        38yr old ,25 pounds overweight with saggy tits, a saggy stomach, and even her ass was sagging
        an amazing lay?
        Either she’s a liar or she was lied to.

      2. benvad August 23, 2014 at 11:01 pm

        I think her partner was that desperate that he actually believes it himself.

      3. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 12:21 pm

        So many 38yr old, 25 pounds overweight with saggy and flabby stomachs and arms, hairy butts, small cocks and balding men out there.
        And people can also be amazing lays for what they give, not everything is about the body. With a man equal to her in looks, they can be both satisfied.

      4. Dinky Wang June 26, 2014 at 4:22 pm

        Yes. I did. For three reasons.

        1. She had texts and pictures of said wrestler.
        2. A lot of men in the Anglosphere, including physically attractive men, are so thirsty for pussy they’ll bang a past her prime bitch no problem.
        3. Sloppy McBitch’s more pleasant female friends corroborated her story on this one.

        So if you find it hard to believe a man would go sexually dumpster diving, feel free to scroll back up and re-read this article. If the content of this article doesn’t resonate with you and doesn’t describe the actions of the women in your present location– well, how do you like living in Thailand, buds?

      5. Xavier June 27, 2014 at 12:57 pm

        Not in Thailand, but close, and I love it.

        I remember parties/BBQs/happy hours like the one you described… vaguely… but the years are making them fade from memory more and more…

        It’s good to come somewhere like Roosh’s site every now and again to remind me of what I escaped from. Kinda like how someone who’s been out of North Korea for 5+ years must feel reading North Korea survivor stories on the web.

        Get out while the gettin’s good, men.

      6. benvad July 14, 2014 at 2:16 am

        Well it’s obviously time for you to leave America, you realize it’s not going to improve anytime soon.

        I left the west 10 years this coming October and I’ll never go back. I live in Japan and the best part of living here, has to be, seeing western girls struggle to get noticed by White guys.

        They are so self-conscious about looking and feeling inferior to drop dead gorgeous Japanese women. They almost get themselves in a tizzy, I swear it’s true revenge for the white man.

      7. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 12:34 pm

        So many ugly Japanese women (and men), too. Ugly people live everywhere lol.
        White women get a lot of attention from Asian men, though. I know some white women living in Korea and Japan, and so many Asian guys (good looking, educated, family-oriented, etc.) want to just marry them right away.

        So you guys want revenge for…? Some women not being “drop dead gorgeous” for you guys who are also mostly not drop dead gorgeous in any way as well? How comes?
        In fact, why would they want white men like you when they can easily get one of the gorgeous and civilized Korean men, for example? Korean men are so ahead of most of you ugly and hairy straight American dudes.

      8. benvad September 9, 2014 at 5:57 pm

        You’re obviously a Korean if you believe that! Now it all makes perfect sense all of the resentment I’m reading.

        I’ve been to Korea and I’ve also seen all the plastic surgery that these people do. It’s amazing the Koreans have this pure race nonsense that they preach but yet carve their heads up to look like Caucasians. I can give credit to the Japanese, they’ve got bad teeth but the don’t give each other new heads for Christmas.

      9. Rick SK June 16, 2015 at 2:01 pm

        Western women don’t get the time of day from Asian men where I live. The only men that pay attention to western women around here are scruffy backpackers. (No offence to backpackers)

      10. benvad July 14, 2014 at 2:21 am

        I let the fat western broads know they don’t stand a chance, they’ll never get laid unless they get in super shape, while the nerdy dude looks past them.

        As for myself I came here already married (Japanese wife). Came to Japan for experience but mostly but also to help the family. My wife didn’t like the western attitude from the women especially (guys where very polite), she felt disrespected by their haughtiness and didn’t wish to live like that.

      11. scotty July 15, 2014 at 9:28 pm

        I don’t see anything wrong with vaginal dumpster diving under the right conditions. Usually, it’s helped along at a bar or party with three things: Distance, Lighting, and Alcohol.

      12. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 12:28 pm

        Guy gets butthurt because a woman can get laid. Calls women bitches to try to make him feel better about that and devalue them somehow. It does not work and he just shows how much of a pathetic envious eunuch he is. AHAHAHAHA!

        I just cannot believe the enviousness! So embarrassing. Do you guys envy gay men and lesbian women, too? Probably.

      13. benvad September 9, 2014 at 6:01 pm

        Spoken like a true beta or a frustrated fat girl, so which one are you? Better yet let’s see your photo, I gotta know what I’m reading about.

      14. Rick SK June 16, 2015 at 1:58 pm

        I like living all over SE Asia. Best decision I ever made.

      15. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 3:30 am

        “And you believed her?”

        I would be inclined to believe her because of just how pathetic men in America are.

    5. benvad July 14, 2014 at 2:08 am

      Desperate Beta men will always make her feel like a champ.

    6. benvad August 23, 2014 at 11:00 pm

      I’ve heard so much of theses situations, but never fear time will cure all pain. She’ll eventual lose every bit of value within the next ten years, if you don’t believe me just look at Meg Ryan and especially Melanie Griffth.

      These were two really beautiful broads in the 1980s, now they look like close relatives of Heath Ledger’s rendition of “The Joker”. They’ve lost all their power and truly I find it’s really a shame but tough luck.

      1. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 12:51 pm

        Looks are not all the value a human being has. That is not the only power someone can have.
        These two amazing women you mention have amazing careers, they have their praised names. They are also rich. They are admired and loved by many. That is the real value of any human being. That is power.
        They could pretty much find many men their own age or younger to date, fuck and marry (damn, Melanie was married to Banderas and SHE was the one who wanted the divorce!).
        And well, they could also “buy” many of the hottest young male models, like Madonna, if they had no self-respect just like many older dudes.

        You won’t be looking as good in your 50’s, too. Too bad you find it a shame to live long, good luck in the future. Hope no one mocks you.

      2. benvad September 9, 2014 at 5:48 pm

        After a response like that there’s no doubt that you’re either a woman or a closeted homosexual.

        They both look awful no matter how much you protest. Melanie was sexy but now she’s a disaster.

      3. benvad September 9, 2014 at 6:08 pm

        Now I know you’re an ugly fat girl who hasn’t been kissed, am I right?

        You’re obviously reading Cosmopolitan and grasp reality, those a broads careers have washed up, they can’t command the money that they used to. Like you said their in their 50s and nothing will turn back the clock. Men get better with age we can still sire children until we’re very old!

        Only a fat frustrated feminist whose ugly beyond compare would be here, trolling around trying to make herself feel better. Only feminists would mention careers as a key point of attraction in getting men.

        MEN DON’T CARE if you have a

      4. Brutus Maximus June 17, 2015 at 10:58 am

        what have these rich selfish bastards done to be admired ? spew a few lines in front of a camera. They’re cocaine sniffing parasites and don’t deserve our attention. I guess people need their golden idols, no wait…women do !

  4. Kaptain June 25, 2014 at 9:52 am

    You’re right on this one Roosh, the men betting their future happiness upon experiencing schadenfreude as they observe the future of the Western Woman are probably going to end up disappointed. If long term happiness is to be found then it MUST ultimately come from within each individual man. First and formost – learn to love yourself, only then can you find your peace.

    1. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:53 pm

      They’re not going to improve.
      The society is going to 5hit.
      Happiness is to leave the west.

  5. Days of Broken Arrows June 25, 2014 at 9:56 am

    You might be getting a skewed perspective in DC, where women have the time and money to upkeep their looks past age 35. The wall is less evident in wealthy, urban areas. But here is the suburbs, the wall is alive and well — perhaps a bit too alive and well. Between the weight women gain, the kids they amass, and the habits they develop, the wall is hitting harder than ever.

    As for the thirsty men: sure, there are a lot of them. Most are the kid of guys these girls passed up in high school. Don’t think they don’t know this. (I just saw a seriously Beta guy bragging about this on Facebook and his g/f looked crestfallen in the pic.) I’ll agree women have to put much less effort into things…but if we wanted to settle for the fatties we ran from when we were 17, so would we.

    1. Hipstersstink June 26, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      Yeah this. The wall isn’t as evident in London where I see a ton of bulldog women in their 30s (and even 40s nowadays) who manage to get dates. But listen to them closely and there is panic. It’s just they have safety by numbers.

      However, visit my hometown that is a bit more traditional and not as large and you can see and hear the wall very easily.

      I will never stay in a large urban centre after a few years. This place will be crawling with pathetic single women in their 30s and beyond, seeking safety in numbers. It’s second tier cities and smaller communities from now on.

    2. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:02 pm

      Dude, men also get old. They also get fat (America has more overweight men than women). They also develop bad habits. Are you telling us you believe an old, bald and fat dude who acts like he is all that and wants to get only with much younger and skinny women is someone realistic? Is that something logical, something to be proud of? AHAHAHAHA!
      Old, saggy, flabby, fat and bald dudes are not any better than the same kind of women. Many of this same kind of women would also love to go out only with hot, younger muscular men, too. But guess what? Many of the older people are realistic, enjoy each other’s experiences, are not as shallow and delusional as you and in the end find love with each other.

      1. Bob January 21, 2015 at 6:35 am

        You are a jack ass. We pay for everything hence the double standards of age and looks.

      2. SUPRA luca April 27, 2015 at 11:43 pm

        “We” don’t pay for everything at all.
        Most women nowadays, even in America, mostly only have the guy paying for the first date, as most men over there also want to pay for the first date.

  6. Swashbuckler June 25, 2014 at 9:58 am

    Actually, I know at least a couple of 30+ year old women who are desperate for a man now but they are either getting passed off or used as pump and dump. So for them, the wall is very very hard. I’m about to be 37 and i have a girlfriend who’s 10 years younger than me. So yeah, I’m not concerned about whether the wall is hard or soft. Just that the wall is there for these washed up women.

    1. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 11:03 am

      Still, having said that, the most manipulative women get away in that they have a ton of dough through their tricks. Many of these women are career women or divorce rapists. They need to be brought down several pegs, because they have been given all sorts of advantages and continue to use their social standing in an unwise and destructive way.

    2. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:09 pm

      A woman who is 10 years younger than you who will actually be (or already is) cheating on you with alpha males of the same age as her and/or younger? Okay.
      And no, the wall is only hard for these women you mentioned because they are probably unrealistic. They should focus on the HORDE of beta males her own age/a little bit younger or older who would love to marry, satisfy and make them happy. Maybe they are even actually seeking men who will just dump, as they still want to experiment more with no string attached.

      Why are you so bitter, tough? You want “revenge” for…? Many of you guys are such pathetic losers, let me tell you. You are not strong, alpha, rational. You guys are butthurt individuals who hate and envy women for having rights and choices (and for actually choosing not to fuck you when you wanted to, boo-hoo).

      1. Bob January 21, 2015 at 6:37 am

        Just because your girlfriend cheats on you because you are a loser doesn’t mean everyone’s gf does.

    3. VanZant August 27, 2015 at 5:59 pm

      In my city in West Germany I have the pleasure to encounter this very situation. As I was a younger student w/o job, very few girls had no interest in me. Now with a masters degree in engineering, a good job and more self confidence and self awareness the wall women throw themselves at me en mass (age mostly around 30 and one 24). And I’m just a 37 years old avarage looking dude 🙂
      The wall is very real i guess.

  7. Pete M June 25, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Women are actually worse off because of this. As a man you’re forced to constantly fail and constantly improve yourself – and you therefore end up a much better person. I’d rather have the resistance which forces me to adapt and improve, than to sail through life with no effort, and no corresponding improvement.

    1. Alex December 24, 2016 at 10:40 pm

      LOL. The hamster is strong in this one.

  8. Go Banana June 25, 2014 at 10:09 am

    I came to this realization about a year ago. The meme of ‘the wall’ is just a sexual loser’s desperate desire for justice in an unjust world where he received the short end of the stick.

    The reality is that in urban USA, a woman who puts effort into her appearance and keeps a decent figure will be coveted. This woman in her 20’s will have willing suitors from 20’s to 60’s, in her 30’s will still have suitors from 20’s to 60’s, and in her 40’s will have suitors from 30’s to 60’s.

    This isn’t good or bad, it’s just a fact of life. At least a man who gets into that top 20% can get laid fairly easily – especially when he finds his niche.

    For my part, I’m happy being a man and growing up in an environment impoverished of femininity. Nothing cultivates appreciation like deprivation. I can say without a doubt that my difficulties in getting what I want in this environment has made me sharper and keener and that the juice is that much sweeter when I go to different parts of the world where quality men are lacking and it’s the women who are thirsty, slightly anxious, and have a scarcity mentality. Places where men who want to find a pretty girl can afford the luxury of being boring oafish, and clueless.

    The USA’s dating environment might make me miserable, but without a doubt it’s made me better than what I would have been elsewhere.

  9. Mike June 25, 2014 at 10:16 am

    There is no equality between men and women; fairness or justice is probably impossible because of their differences. In the last 25 years, I’ve seen men leave their wives and kids for a younger, more attractive woman. The abandoned wife simply found another man to keep her company while she raised the kids. You’re right, women find it relatively easy to find what they need at each stage of their life. There is no shortage of men who are willing to exchange their freedom for a woman.

    1. alex brown June 26, 2014 at 10:27 am

      How does a man abandon his family and kids for the younger man, without getting hit by child support?

      Men trading up is rare, women trading up is far more common.

    2. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 11:11 am

      Its true, men are to blame for the current state of events too. In fact, almost all women and men are to blame for the current problems ailing the west today. That’s just the problem – for they are the source of the problems they want fixed. And the dumb ones don’t even realize there’s a problem. Let’s face it, there is no society any more where we can look out for each other – we are on our own in this solipsistic/selfish society on the road to hell.

  10. Inside UoM June 25, 2014 at 10:20 am

    We forgot one thing, the biological clock.

    1. Samseau June 25, 2014 at 12:28 pm

      Vast majority of career women don’t give a shit about have children. Most see children like men view pets

      1. fooled no more June 25, 2014 at 3:13 pm

        Quote: “Most see children like men view pets”

        Or some women even view children as annuities.

      2. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 11:09 am

        Idiots. There’ll be no pensions for our generation. Children are the pension plan. When you see older women in the street in the future, you gotta wonder if you should just walk on by despite their problems, because they’ll expect us to pay their pensions, even though men struggle more. They must reap what they sow so that they learn from the consequences.

  11. Pieter C. June 25, 2014 at 10:39 am

    I’m 30 and most of the women I was with in school/college are not in a good situation. I find it hard to believe that american women (a lot of ugly, fat and loud ones) can get in a decent relationship. Most of the US backpacker chicks I meet are busted when they’re 25. I see a lot of single tourists, “girls” in their 30’s backpacking. I live in a hot beach place and the wall is very visible!

    1. brody June 26, 2014 at 3:35 am

      I’m 33. The vast majority of girls my age are beat to shit. It’s no secret. I don’t envy any of them. Their lives look very depressing and will likely continue as such. Many have kids, work shitty jobs they hate, and are hopelessly single and alone. And of course, the usual 20-30 lbs overweight and counting.

      Being lonely without a man to bitch at is a slow death sentence for a woman. I’m not gloating about it. I take no pleasure in it. All of society suffers because if it, especially the poor kids.

      1. alex brown June 26, 2014 at 10:23 am

        They brought it on themselves. Women socially destroy men, divorcing them, driving them away from their kids, men who avoid used up woman, are not avoiding them due to bad looks, they are avoiding them due to bad character.

      2. awakened June 29, 2014 at 9:00 am

        The problem is these beat to shit 30 something women still have their choice of sex partners that are better than they deserve.

      3. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:17 pm

        And that is a problem for you because…? You wanted these men all for yourself?

      4. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:21 pm

        Women usually fulfill all of their emotional and affection needs with each other. More and more you read about older women not wanting to marry, but just explore the world with their friends. Women live much better without men and sex than vice-versa.
        An older woman who wants a partner can just find a guy her age who wants it too. She will be able to choose between many guys.

      5. imdar3ald3al December 26, 2017 at 6:06 pm

        You’re mistaken. Women need men more than the other way around. As time goes on, things get worse. Yes, they might have thirsty simps, but they compare them to the Chads they banged when they were younger and will gladly let NOT settle because girl power then let the clock run out. Happens all the time. So what if she objectively gets a ton of dick. She’s miserable inside.

    2. Atlanta Man June 27, 2014 at 12:09 am

      I am 38 and you are correct. Many women I meet are so busted by 29 it is sad. The number one reason is fat, followed by alcohol abuse and hard partying.

    3. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:16 pm

      Because there are even more ugly, fat and loud men out there in America? They belong together, dude.

  12. Capt. Queeg June 25, 2014 at 11:02 am

    Good. We’re realizing that “the wall” is nonsensical. Next up, realizing that the “cock carousel” is a load of shit too.

    1. Tom Dane June 25, 2014 at 3:58 pm

      I think the conclusion is that the wall doesnt hit as hard as we all thought…the huge sea of thirsty betas makes it possible. And that sea seems to not only be thriving but to be growing. 10 year ago wall was harder, but the beta sea has expanded and will continue to do so. So perhaps, in 40 years or so, you will see 65 year old grandmas with iphone and earplugs, rolling their eyes at 20 year old men.

      1. alex brown June 26, 2014 at 11:00 am

        Thirsty Alphas make is possible too. I know good looking guys who fuck good looking women. They fuck slapper on the side too.

      2. Californi Cato June 26, 2014 at 2:05 pm

        As long as approach-monkeys keep trying to “run the cube” or ask about a pet store to every woman who passes, yes, that sea will thrive and grow.

        American PUA’s, and men in general, will be forced to go further and further abroad to escape the creation that the PUA’s unleashed. Note a certain blog author has to go further and further into Siberia for that sort of thing…

      3. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:50 pm

        You see women in their fifties regularly hooking up with men in their 20s in the UK. This was the norm 10-15 years ago too!

      4. Tom Dane June 27, 2014 at 11:03 am

        Damn, its getting worse than I thought it could be. I bet this trend will soon arrive to Denmark as well. Fuck it !!

    2. supramax June 25, 2014 at 4:14 pm

      As Tom Dane points out above, the hard wall is in the 30’s for some who go to shit because of their genetics/habits/lifestyle but really it’s almost unavoidable in their mid 40’s-50 – that’s the hard wall. This simply reflects reality and the benefits of staying in top shape for some women in their 30’s. I am continually amazed that women don’t work out/take care of themselves and let their stock dip so low prematurely.

    3. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 3:43 am

      ” Next up, realizing that the “cock carousel” is a load of shit too.”


  13. 'Reality' Doug June 25, 2014 at 11:06 am

    I have had a similar sense of the marketplace. I am finally learning that rapport (cf. M3 Model), at least in the US, requires a certain amount of emotional hurtfulness to set a hook. Let me preface this to say I am still a PUA-in-training, and I might not know what I’m talking about. Yes, it is a tremendous amount of work to get laid; however, women don’t live in the world of get laid. That’s the man’s world.

    “The truth is that any woman who rejects me today will never regret it.
    Even after making every mistake in the book, she will still have a man
    waiting for her…”

    What women need is emotional stewardship, a stable moral authority that straightens her emotions out or exercises them on a regular basis, like a dog needs to get outside for a walk daily. If you are offering just sex, you aren’t offering a thing to these princess skanks. They want emotional stewardship, and they will never admit it to themselves because that works against her status as all women understand it. Women need to be mildly turned out, less and less by the day. The term ‘turned out’ presumes an extreme that breaks her adaptive vapidity, the female strength endowed from nature and healthy for her.

    Emotional stewardship is work, and against the H.A.T.E or some acrynym on HC, meaning if your hand is a better option, no sale. MGTOW looks better and better. Emotional stewardship on the cheap, or turning out, is likely the near future of PUA: Break and Take.

  14. Laguna Beach Fogey June 25, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Well said, Roosh.

    I’ve always thought that the wall is to some extent location-specific.

    In a place like Southern California, the wall will be lower and softer because there is more competition among women to stay hot, more money for cosmetic surgery, more opportunities to stay in shape, more emphasis on health and nutrition, better weather, etc.

    When I go out I still see a lot of attractive women in their 30s, 40s, and even 50s, hot and fuckable.

    Not only do they hit the wall later and sometimes with barely discernible impact, but they probably won’t end up alone because there are loads of beta-boys lining up to date and marry them.

    In other environments, I concede, the wall could be higher and harder for most women, and that they won’t find it easy finding a man. This is why a lot of them move to places like Southern California to find a rich dude to support them, only to move away again when they find the competition from attractive women here too intense.

    The ‘myth’ of the lonely old cat woman, we should admit, has some grounding in reality.

    1. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:33 pm

      So you believe only women get old, that most younger women are seeking older dudes as well, that no older dude would actually want a woman his age, that all men stay in shape, etc.? What is that nonsensical “logic” I see around here all the time?

  15. Aaron Sollesse June 25, 2014 at 11:38 am

    “Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.” – Buddha

    Who cares about what happens to these women who choose to sleep with bad boys? It has no effect on our lives whether or not they get their ‘comeuppance’ because they chose to value hedonistic pleasure over building their future.

    I’m far more concerned with my personal Wall than the Wall of some chick I’m not even dating.


    “Living well is the best revenge.” – George Herbert

    1. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 10:52 am

      I blame them for creating a horrific f*cked up reality of manginification, wars abroad and killing of christians, as well as white-people extinction at home. They break up families and destroy lives. So I don’t care what happens to these women specifically, but I care and blame them in that its perhaps too late to stop the rot their ideologies have created.

      1. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:36 pm

        “I blame them for creating a horrific f*cked up reality of
        manginification, wars abroad and killing of christians, as well as
        white-people extinction at home.”
        Less hysterical, less hysterical. Please.

  16. mindstar June 25, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    In the end since we are men we must endure.

    1. lol June 25, 2014 at 5:33 pm

      You say endure, I say escape. Catpocalypse or no, it’s time to GTFO.

      1. Acehole June 26, 2014 at 3:58 am

        For sure. If you have the means, get the hell out of Dodge and find greener pastures. Countless men throughout history have done the same when shit got bad on the homefront.

    2. KBO June 25, 2014 at 9:32 pm

      Keep Buggering On

  17. Johnny June 25, 2014 at 12:37 pm


    Based on your experience…
    What are some of the best cities in EE for game?

  18. DontLoseHope June 25, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    The wall is real and alive. What Rooshv is omitting is although these hot spinster chicks will still get attention and possible suitors to “date” them. The majority can never get the man to perform the ultimate commitment which is marriage. Alphas and betas alike will pump and dump these chicks and even enter into temporary “relationships” in order to have unfretted access to their vaginas but once the gauntlet of a marriage comes along their head is far from the chopping block. While a put together man in his 30s and at his peak can easily marry any of his potential suitors he so choses. The spinster would gladly trade her quantity of suitors for your quality and choice. That is what is amazing about being a man with enough will power and work you can change your destiny while as a women no matter what, you are still pretty much waiting for that hot guy to come over after noticing your glances, short skirt and push up bra. You pay the price for choice fellas it is up to you to decide if it is worth it or complain like women.

    1. Acehole June 26, 2014 at 3:43 am

      Precisely. Without the social validation of marriage, these chicks don’t have shit. They feel tremendous shame everywhere they go, especially places where other couples go. As a woman, not being able to say you’re married,( whether happily or not, doesn’t matter) is a tremendous blow to their psyche. It takes a huge, stressful toll on their lives in so many ways. Why do you think antidepressant use and alcoholism among women over 30 is so high?

      That’s how messed up women are.

      1. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:40 pm

        You are wrong. Women are more and more not giving a damn about being married.

        “Why do you think antidepressant use and alcoholism among women over 30 is so high?”

        For the same reason suicide is so high among men?

        That’s how messed up men are.

    2. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 10:59 am

      Women are just corporate slaves and whores. This represents 95-99% of all brainwashed women in the west. They are programmed like robots in that any halfway decent man who tries to have a family life with them will be destroyed. Feminism has taken away the family and made the value of women their vagina, their youth and (not relevant to us), their ability to shape society for the banksters. They have destroyed liberty and society.

      It is amazing that pampered western women (in comparison to the world and in human history) complain about lack of options when they spend their best years ‘going through all those options’. Expect future society to continue to be increasingly atomized (no badboy fathers or divorce rape) and to be full of manginas who stay with these women, further weakening the society. Then women will make us all equal as slaves. F*** these useless ‘tards.

    3. benvad July 14, 2014 at 2:24 am

      True but how’s that going to help build our population and not be overrun by the third world? This nonsense was started by big mouth New York jew broads bent on destroying America with feminism & Marxism, pure & simple.

  19. Aleenum June 25, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    There is one main benefit of women to the self-actualized man and that is to bear him sons or for the truly masochistic, daughters.

    Therefore valuing a woman for reasons other than fertility and parenting skills is vanity. Pleasurable , wonderful vanity.

    1. alex brown June 26, 2014 at 10:59 am

      Women have no parenting skills, that is why most child abuse is done by single mothers.

      1. Aleenum June 26, 2014 at 12:20 pm

        I disagree with your premise , though your conclusion may be correct.

      2. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:50 pm

        Most child (not sexual) abuse is done by mothers because in most cases it is women who have more contact with children. Single mother for the environment. So many men will just neglect them, so of course they won’t be able to abuse them.
        Now it is men who sexually abuse children the most. So let’s just say men have no skills other than to want to rape every moving object they see. Sometimes immobile objects as well, as most necrophilies are men as well. Eh.

  20. John M June 25, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Interestingly enough I was speaking to my ex the other day, she’s about 33 now and she admitted she doesn’t get nearly as much attention as she did when she was in her 20’s. She’s still a good 7 (down from a solid 8 I’d say) but I suppose the difference in the attention an 8 gets in her 20’s is vastly different to what a 30 something year old 7 gets.

    The big problem for them is that they also still want the alphas, but they expect them to settle down too.

    I feel a bit sorry for her, so I sent her the Chateau Heartise ‘alpha fix beta bux’ link.

  21. Thursday1 June 25, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    A lot of this has to do with sex ratios. When people start having less children than previous generations, as is the case in most Western countries, this means that there are always slightly more older men competing for slightly younger women, so any half ways attractive women still have a decent amount of choice in their 30s.

    I tried making this point at Roissy’s a few years ago. Older North American women do not suffer much by waiting to settle down.

    1. Guest June 25, 2014 at 9:30 pm

      Having no wars kill off many millions at a time will do that.

  22. Evan Ludsky June 25, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    “There will be no redemption. There will be no comeuppance. For most of their lives, women will have it easier than us, no matter how much we work out, how many books we read, how many languages we learn, and how decent or moral or virtuous we become.”

    I think I understand what Roosh’s problem is. Depression and lack of self-love.
    These things that you do should be helping you to LOVE YOURSELF, first and foremost. Forget about having it easier or harder vs. Western women. The problem is what you think about yourself, how you manage the process of thinking about yourself, how you determine your self-worth – all core spiritual issues that even the so-called red pill movement only addresses tangentially or incidentally.
    All problems in the outer world, including lack of happiness with women, are ultimately spiritual problems. Yes, you can sit and point to demography, sociology, politics, culture, even heredity trends, but the problem with that is basically punting responsibility for personal spiritual growth and evolution. “Because statistics!”
    This is not to say that these problems don’t exist – but looking at things in this way is taking the victim perspective.
    That’s the problem with your approach, Roosh. You get it, but you get HALFWAY. The other half is realizing that the “victim” half of you undermines the “strong” you, and until you work on that, all your “improvements” will be for nought.

    1. Tom Dane June 25, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      Doesnt matter how much any man here improves. As long as he doesnt improve into the realm of millionaire and celebrity, he is going to have a damn hard time.

      1. Evan Ludsky June 25, 2014 at 3:57 pm

        That’s precisely the bullshit victim attitude I’m talking about.

        Pretty lies we tell ourselves because we’re too scared to face our deep-seated fears.

        Spirituality is about facing those deep-seated fears. The more bullshit beliefs you adopt, the harder your life will get.

        I’m sorry – I know that Roosh reads Eastern philosophy. Question is, does he fully understand it?

        Your thoughts determine your beliefs, which determine your actions, which determine your reality. If you genuinely believe you need to be Kyrie Irving to get the women you want, you are setting yourself up for a hellish existence.

      2. Tom Dane June 25, 2014 at 4:02 pm

        So what your saying that everything people here talk about is pure BS…and we should just “man up”..but without giving us any real tools..just “improve” and “stop being a victim”.
        Your advice is useless.

      3. Evan Ludsky June 25, 2014 at 4:08 pm

        Dude, if you’ve been around the PUA community for any length of time and think there are no tools, you’re simply not paying attention.

        The tools are all in your face. You’re just unconsciously resisting that knowledge because the work is hard and scary, and there are secondary gains to being a victim.

        You can go get David DeAngelo’s 77 Laws of Success With Women – it’s basically a primer on spiritual liberation. You can apply it to every part of your life.
        Inner Game work is 99.9% of this shit, with all due respect to Roosh’s writing.

        Things like “accept responsibility”, “evict your inner wussy”, “replace bad habits with good habits”, “find your life purpose”, etc. etc. etc.

        And you can drill down and study in depth what all those things mean and how to work on them via a myriad of sources.

        All basic Spirituality 101.

        Success with women is a natural consequence of handling your Inner Game. It’s your 1000 and 1 fears that stop you, nothing else.

      4. Tom Dane June 25, 2014 at 4:14 pm

        Im not really sure I understand what your talking about, I dont think you even are urself. All I know is that it’s ok to point out that the dating situation sucks for the average man in the West. That is not being a victim, thats just telling it how it is.

      5. Evan Ludsky June 25, 2014 at 4:18 pm

        You know what your problem is? It’s that of really a lot of guys in this culture. You were brought up to feel powerless. No-one has explained to you how to overcome your fears, and create the life you want.

        Yes, it sucks for the “average” man in this culture.

        Being “average” is always a choice, though. Take the real red pill and stop being average.

        That’s the problem with the Red Pill Movement. If you can’t even understand what I’m talking about above, then the movement is genuinely failing you.

        Did you even watch The Matrix? Self-knowledge and self-control can bend spoons and slow down time. 🙂

      6. Tom Dane June 25, 2014 at 4:22 pm

        im not powerless. To do something you have to identify the problem. I did. I have decided not to have anything to do with Western women and concentrate solely on foreign

      7. Evan Ludsky June 25, 2014 at 8:15 pm

        You have not identified the problem, and here’s the thing – whether it’s American or foreign women, that isn’t the primary issue.
        Look at Roosh – for someone so successful with foreign women, the guy is CLEARLY UNFULFILLED, UNSATISFIED AND NOT AT PEACE.
        Otherwise he wouldn’t be writing these articles.
        As I said, you guys are missing the point by a mile. True happiness comes from eliminating inner obstacles to happiness, which requires a lot of deep transformation work.
        Roosh has done a lot of work on himself and that’s gotten him this far, but he’s still UNHAPPY. And day after day he points the finger at everyone but himself, because – as you guys say – reality, statistics, Western culture, blah, blah.
        I say bullshit to all of that. Happiness begins by loving yourself first and foremost. Everything else, whether it’s foreign chicks or not, is the icing on the cake, not the cake. It is a natural consequence of finding happiness within.
        If you guys can’t fully understand how “loving yourself” actually translates into concrete reality, you are going to be chasing various pipe dreams that you believe will bring you happy, whether it’s foreign women or being a millionaire celebrity.
        That, my friends, is the real blue pill, the Matrix programming.
        Unfortunately all you’re getting right now is half the red pill. You’re not getting the other half, which teaches you what you’re capable of and what is genuinely possible if you give up your fears and surrender your delusions.

      8. Kowalski June 26, 2014 at 6:13 am

        The article is simply asserting the current state of affairs of which men have to contend with today. A man can have all the self love in the world (in fact there was a recent article about self love on ROK) but that will not satisfy the required criteria of today’s Westernized female. Criteria being as stated: requiring men to be rich and famous. I will add in things women want such as drugs or some kind of tangibles as women are resource based animals with care nothing for men.

        That’s the world we live in, Buckwheat.

        Quit blowing flowery new age rhetoric up our asses. Quit convincing everyone here how stupid you are. Yeah man, we get it; you’re an idiot.

      9. Evan Ludsky June 26, 2014 at 12:34 pm

        Oh, there was an article about it. Goody. I’m sure there was an article about weightlifting too – are all the guys reading this site ripped yet?

        The level of delusion on this site may not be as thick as that among the omegas and white knights of the world, but it isn’t absent entirely.

        Red pill my ass.

        Wrong movie metaphor for you all. It’s not The Matrix/red pill. It’s Inception. You think you’ve woken up but the little top is still spinning off to the side.

      10. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 3:58 am

        “The level of delusion on this site may not be as thick as that …”

        Hahahahaha.. Fag.

      11. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:41 pm

        He doesn’t get it. He still thinks that he’s totally in control of his life and that banksters and women’s attitudes don’t matter. He doesn’t want to see the reality and therefore relies on insults and false perceptions. He is still brainwashed by thinking that he has some magical ability that makes him above average and that he gets it. He is more of a slave to the banksters than poor folk in other countries, and if the economy ever crashed, he’d be begging ‘his masters’ for food and refuge. He cannot exist independently of the invisible jail that’s been set up for him, the ultimate slave.

        He actually thinks he took the red pill.

      12. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:39 pm

        The matrix was the upper class taking the pi55 out of us by calling us slaves and saying most of us would not wake up from the dream. Inception was the same idea, about how our world is layers upon layers of lies.

        You didn’t get the deeper meaning of those films. The whole point was to indoctrinate us into their belief system, without most being able to perceive how they are being enslaved. To beat the system, you have to live outside the system , and most people cannot do that. We are in effect, all enslaved to the system. Globally. All of us.

      13. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:32 pm

        Mabye you should take a look at david D.’s girlfriend (3/10??) Ugh.

        Double your Masturbation indeed.

      14. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:36 pm

        As you know Tom, for getting women, self-improvement is pointless, as you are improving and they are not. They find ‘improved’ men too intimidating perhaps? They just want someone who is hot, rich and preferable dumb (so that they can manipulate them). Western women are corrupt and useless for their menfolk.

        As such, there is no victim attitude on the part of men. They are merely being honest when they say that they are fed up with their womenfolk’s attitudes. The OP talks about thoughts and beliefs, which IMHO are some woman-form of trying to re-frame things EPL style, which is just another way of ignoring reality/cognitive dissonance.

      15. SUPRA luca September 9, 2014 at 1:57 pm

        How about lowering your standards and focus on women on your league?
        Interesting. You guys believe women should be wives and mothers and virgins and sweet and all of that… but still will focus on their looks. Many times will only care about their looks, as their only value. That only shows you guys couldn’t give a damn about past women’s feminine qualities. You guys are also full of yourselves and believe you are entitled to much more than you actually deserve. Drop that.

      16. Tom Dane September 9, 2014 at 4:19 pm

        Problem is women here believe they are all several leagues above their actual league. Thats why you often see good looking guys with warpigs.
        Stop that.

    2. supramax June 25, 2014 at 4:09 pm

      No, Evan – he is right. There are certain realities and he is simply illuminating one. Don’t fight against realities that disappoint you. It disappoints me that game is even necessary and that women instinctually like r selected (Lover-player) type guys but that’s the reality. It also dispappoints me that we have to eat a couple times a day, shit, and toil to support ourselves. Let’s accept reality and adapt well to the environment we’re living in, bending it to our will when we can.

      1. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:29 pm

        I have seen so many physically attractive, successful and hard-working men (from UK, Canada particularly) ignored by attractive women for..

        some useless POS that didn’t graduate from high school and will end up in jail/beaten to a pulp/holding some sh1t-ass job for life as that’s all he’s capable of.

        Please no one tell me ever that western women, especially white women, are picking alpha males and are good at this because they’re the chooser. Some do. But Marriage was invented as fathers in the past knew that most women are useless and will pick the most useless male available due to their idiocy and short-sightedness.

      2. G543 July 4, 2014 at 9:04 am

        Women are terrible judges of character when it comes to men. The Ancients understood this fact. Feminism will destroy humanity.

  23. The Aquarian June 25, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    ROOSH. where does power resides? It resides where men believe it resides!

  24. Tom Dane June 25, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    There IS a real wall but I never believed it was at 35..the real wall is around 45-50 when they begin to really look old. Old like in granma old.
    But before that, yea, no sweat, can do whatever. But not even the biggest beta ever is going to help her out at “the real wall”.

    1. supramax June 25, 2014 at 4:06 pm

      Brillian illumination of the matter Roosh – every urban professional man who is out on the town and in the dating scene knows this deep down (I can’t speak for others). Likewise there is a TRADITION of men automatically and instinctively dating around their own age – that’s just a fact. There is a ton of self limiting beliefs going on in that respect and at 50 daygaming in an American city I myself don’t approach women in their early/mid 20’s – probably to my own detriment.
      Tom Dane – your post is on the mark as well: the real wall (not being able to find men) is like 42-50 depending on how well they take care of themselves. The field of good looking women gets very much and continually narrowed as time goes by because it takes incredible genes or a ton of effort in the form of exercise (and I’m not talking about jogging a couple times a week and going to yoga on Saturday morning) and self control in terms of eating to control her decline. My girlfriend is mid 40’s and works out 5 days a week at 5 am, eats super healthy, and plays sports at night sometimes and her body is tighter and even more fuckable than the 26 year old FSU girl I met for a 4 day romp in the South of France a couple weeks ago. The height and build (virtually perfect for my tastes: very tall, long legs, small breasts) was virtually identical but the 26yo doesn’t work out as she’s overworked in her company. I told 26yo if we gonna spend more time together she’s gonna have to bring her excercise/eating lifestyle more in line with mine.

    2. evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2014 at 5:51 am

      ..the real wall is around 45-50 when they begin to really look old. Old like in granma old



      Glad to see someone speaking the plain truth of the matter.

      Well done!

      The wall is actually a force field that gets stronger the further you penetrate.

      Like when you try and put two magnets together with like poles facing.

    3. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:13 pm

      The ones that keep up their looks can apparently get play until their 60s in the uk.I think the younger men are desperate, poor and have fewer choices in the younger generation of women to choose from, so are forced to go older to get their d1ck wet. The only problem is, these stupid old c*nts think that they have something to offer and all women’s egos go through the roof. Thirsty men are as much to blame as narcissistic women. I mean, why is a 20 y.o f*cking a women past her menopause?

      The above issue is just as much to blame for a broken society, as much as single motherhood etc.. When men f*ck women old enough to be their moms and even their grandmothers, and this is seen as the norm, you can bet that the whole sexual marketplace became so chaotic as that these men won’t be pairing off with women their own age to bring up a nice healthy family. In the past, our ancestors wouldn’t be seen dead with old dry vag, and that’s partly because they instinctively knew that a society needs kids, and kids come from young health females.

  25. John June 25, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    This is why, inherently, we are better and happier than women. The demand that is put on us and the struggle we must go through to get what we want makes us better.

    Would Roosh trade places with some post-wall Americunt? Of course not. The sentiment I think he’s trying to express is how unrecognized all his hard work to improve himself has gone because dumb broads can just get a supplicating beta any day of the week and get a temporary ego boost. While on the other hand we have to grind it out.

    Take solace in the fact that these are not the men they really want and these men will be made miserable by these hags. An extension of the misery they carry in themselves.

    Roosh, I know you’re constantly striving and critiquing, but maybe some reflections on the good parts of being an International Playboy are in order.

    1. CrabRangoon June 25, 2014 at 5:28 pm

      Well said-we’ll always be better off because most western women have little more to offer than what’s between their legs. Kinda sad really.

      1. Johnny June 25, 2014 at 11:21 pm

        really the introspection has limits-the perks of global game sounds like a better read to me as well

        also Roosh hit up Thailand Bali etc. little variety is a good thing here or there.

  26. JQ June 25, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    I met two local young dudes at a language exchange meeting. Both of them had just finished their bachelor degrees and were working at their first job. They both went to Europe for a short term student exchange program and came back with the women who are now their couple. One woman was my age 37 and the other one was at least 40. I was astonished. How come two guys in their mid 20’s even consider going for LTRs with these women? One of the guys had been 2 years living with her and they were getting engaged. And no, they were not bad looking or had any serious flaw in their appearance. So, WTFF?? I can only guess the Beta is so strong in their education and behavior that they had to lower that much their standards in order to get laid. One of the saddest scenes I have seen this year.

    1. CrabRangoon June 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm

      Yea that’s insane. I know guys that date girls older than they are-that’s a big fat no-no. You can bang older girls if they are still attractive, which many can maintain. But getting into an LTR with one is just dumb.

    2. evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2014 at 5:38 am

      How come two guys in their mid 20’s even consider going for LTRs with these women?
      Were the girls rich?
      The boys can get easy sex from those girls now.
      And then when they finally hit the wall the boys can divorce them and then those WOMEN get taken to the cleaners!
      You might have witnessed game at its finest and not realized it.

      1. JQ June 26, 2014 at 9:54 am

        I do not know. What I do know is that both women worked as foreign language teachers. If they have money it cannot be from their profession. In the end, I think those guys are just there for the easy sex.

    3. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:16 pm

      This is a travesty. Are they even going to have kids? DO they plan on bringing up the next generation of society? What kind of message does that send out to other men?

      Like I said above, kiss the west goodbye.

  27. CrabRangoon June 25, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    I’ve seen a flurry of women all around my age(35+) that have recently settled with the beta boys. These were once the hot shit girls that had their pick but were too batshit to hang onto anything long term. Now they’ve married fat schlubs or guys significantly older. It’s pretty obvious to me, I just wonder if everyone else is thinking the same thing. A couple even “unexpectedly” got knocked up after decades of perfect birth control….coincidence I’m sure. It’s amusing to watch from the stands-feels like watching a demolition derby

  28. invisiblehand85 June 25, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    Another outstanding, insightful post. Objective as always

  29. nek June 25, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    This whole conversation/post reminds me of the Hemingway quote:

    “Happiness in an intelligent person is the rarest of things”.

  30. splooge June 25, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    this is true. If western men started learning from foreign men not to wife up these older used women, we wouldnt have this problem. If youre gonna marry she better be young. But too many desperate chumps are willing to pick up the leftover pieces. Older women should be treated like hos and sluts only for pump n dump. If shes not a young virgin, then she should not get the ring. In the west or any where for that matter, its an uphill battle to get little reward as a man.

    1. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:14 pm

      Even treating an older woman like a ho feeds her ego, and any younger women looking on then also think – ‘hey, I can ride the carousel FOREVER’.

      Prepare to nuke Western civilization goodbye.

  31. ATC June 25, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    Heartiste was subtweeting this post earlier today.

    Even here in the US, most women still judge each other by what kind of man will COMMIT to them, not just who will fuck them.

    The women I’ve seen who blew out of LTRs in their 20s had to make compromises in looks/finances/baggage/stepkids in order to get hitched in their 30s. Compromises they wouldn’t have had to make at 25.

    1. alex brown June 26, 2014 at 10:55 am

      Commitment is what men try to extract from women, women are the gatekeepers of sex and commitment.

      Of course the rules are different for the top 20% of guys women really find attractive.

  32. TheOverwatch June 25, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    The mileage women can get out of their body varies depending on where you live in America. A wealthy woman in Beverly Hills will likely look great into her 40’s. In Mississippi, most girls may not even make it to mid 20’s before they become fat disgusting slobs. What’s going on in the Anglo-sphere is beyond any of our control, but this is the hand we’ve been dealt.

    I still contend that this is the best time and place to be a young man, with proper information. The real prize is to be free from all different types of slavery. What good is money if you are miserable? If you can gain financial freedom, you don’t even need to worry about Ameri-c*nts.

    There are NO shortage of women or women willing to spread their legs. The caveat is that they will try to enslave you financially to get access to their smelly holes.

    Changing your location is the first step to realizing how many women are in the world, and how many will gladly spread their legs, if you have the right mindset. Again, if you aren’t free, you could live your whole life in a box, never knowing the great opportunities beyond your walls.

    1. Johnny June 25, 2014 at 11:20 pm

      F the dirty South Cali bishes r the best in the USSA but really F this 1984 big bro system

      1. evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2014 at 5:19 am

        F yur 2012 txt blgng sht & lrn to tipe but really wut keebord fur dumas

    2. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 4:14 am

      “There is NO shortage of women or women willing to spread their legs”

      Thats not really the point of this article. If a man has no standards yeah, he can plug a middled age saggy titted fattie.

  33. Jios June 25, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    I have sensed this for years, especially observing how easy it is to get laid for middle aged women. They can’t get commitment as easily, but the decline won’t be severe, although it will be noticeable.

    It is also a numbers game. The ratio of men to women passed 35 isn’t quite as lopsided as it is in other parts of the world where the numbers clearly favour men.

  34. Some Young Guy June 25, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Data please?

    What I’ve read is that the number of singles and never-marrieds age 30+ has skyrocketed in the last few years, for both genders. The % of the population currently married is at an all-time low.

    I haven’t looked at this in detail (it’s in the Census data though), but could this be an indication that women who have hit the wall are indeed failing? They’re turning 35, and their chances of marriage are extremely low. Meanwhile, the 35-year old man probably has a better chance on the market as he’ll mostly improve with age, and faces no biological clock issue.

    I really don’t know if I’m right on this, but further study would be useful. I’m not convinced the “wall-women” really are ending up well in the end. I think they’re turning into spinsters.

    1. TheOverwatch June 25, 2014 at 9:37 pm

      I tend to agree, that over time, in general men have the advantage in the dating game. A man in his 30’s with a decent financial situation, and decent physique will have a much wider selection of women than a woman in her 30’s. Not only will single women his age be after him, but he’ll also be able to date younger women; maybe even teens if he’s in the right situation. I don’t worry about the sluts and carousel riders. Most liberal western women are closet nymphos.

      My own life experience tells me that women are like a computer program that requires a specific code to run. Find that code and she’ll drop her panties. I’ve had sex with girls I met randomly in college who would have flat out rejected me in a crowded bar with 3 of her friends looking on.

      1. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:17 pm

        Its an easy code for many:

        C 0 C K + $ = $ex

  35. Rick SK June 25, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    I suppose there are a few women that stay good-looking and are able to attract high value men well into their 30’s or even 40’s but for most of them I think this is not true. A large percentage of women I know who are single in their mid 30’s, either because they are divorced or because they never married, are well past their prime and are not likely to attract anyone worth while. (Especially if they have children)
    Maybe they can still get laid on a regular basis but not by me. As a recent article on ROK points out, men are attracted to young women in their 20’s. That is unlikely to change anytime soon.

    1. alex brown June 26, 2014 at 10:53 am

      A average looking plain woman can get a good looking man. The thing is a lot of women are mentally ill and drive men away.

      No one is going to put up with female drama, and shit tests from an average looking 40 year old woman.

      1. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 4:26 am

        “No one is going to put up with female drama, and shit tests from an average looking 40 year old woman.”

        Wrong. Men DO tolerate shit even from third rate pussy.

  36. PlantinMoretus June 25, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Huh. I know someone who is 46, looks 36, tall, blonde, OK figure, good teeth, good job, not a bitch… and never gets asked out. Confusing.

    1. Uh oh June 26, 2014 at 5:04 am

      Not confusing at all. She’s OLD. She may look 36 but she’s not fooling anybody. Especially men.

      1. B324 June 26, 2014 at 10:34 am

        Even if a woman is still good looking in her 40’s or older, age is till a real issue to men who are looking for marriage or even for dating. I’m in my early 40’s and I absolutely will not date or remotely consider a woman my age, no matter how good she looks (maybe for a quickie, but definitely not a serious LTR). I only see women in their 20’s. Older women are invisible to me regarding considering them as marriage/dating material. The Wall is indeed very real for women. I’ve gotten better and more appealing to younger women as I have become older, and I’m not even a 10. A lot of women screw themselves by wasting their marketable “window” time between about 18-28 years old. Young attractive American women (especially white women) can be very, very mean and dismissive to young guys who are not 10’s. I have no sympathy for these women.

      2. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:48 pm

        But the thirsty simps half your age with testosterone running through their veins will bang women in their 40s to late 50s. This skews the sexual market place and gives some women (and younger ones at that) a huge ego. And that IS a problem.

      3. alex brown June 26, 2014 at 10:51 am

        46 year old women would get asked out if men thought they where easier. Paradoixacally a lot of older women still have impossible check lists and only demand the best, they still act like they are 21.

        Also less men are asking women out in general, due to the fact sexual harassment laws are vague and subjective. No woman is worth getting in trouble for.

      4. GetItGoing June 26, 2014 at 2:16 pm

        Excellent point. It boggles my mind when I see overweight, older, unattractive women with a long list of requirements, and certainly not a warm or attractive attitude.

        Just amazing.

      5. Kowalski June 26, 2014 at 11:34 am

        Quote: “She’s OLD. She may look 36 but she’s not fooling anybody. Especially men”

        The thing about old chicks that still look kinda hot for their age is that they look good when all dolled up and with their clothes ON. But once these chicks get naked it’s an early Halloween. I met a guy i n SA, he was an American on vacation alone. He was 33 and his girlfriend was 50. He rationalized the relationship saying that she ‘was good to him’.

        Guys with are with old chicks are either fucking their girlfriends with the lights turned waaaay down and getting drunk in order to do the deed, or they must have a thing for gray pubic hairs or something.

    2. Roosh_V June 26, 2014 at 7:19 am

      46 is pretty old. In this post I’m referring to women in their early and mid 30’s.

    3. Kingsley June 27, 2014 at 8:29 pm

      “never gets asked out”

      By the men she deem worthy.

  37. j-dub June 25, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    One clue at a time .
    MGTOW looms ever so much closer for our respected host…………..
    It is not only likely, I believe if you stay in the west, it will be inevitable

    1. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:22 pm

      Considering that:
      (a) too many male immigrants relative to female ones
      (b) female fatness
      (c) loss of femininity
      (c) female hypergamy
      (d) big brother police state killing masculinity and men
      and you can see that there will be relatively few hot, feminine women in future, relative to tons of thirsty men. The women will get bitchier, and the men will opt out/blow a gasket/ be removed otherwise from society.

  38. Brianmark June 26, 2014 at 1:16 am

    I agree with you 100%. There is no wall in America. Many women have good jobs, don’t need sex, and are happy just going out to eat or shopping with their girlfriends. So guys if you were thinking things were going to get better for you as you got older, you will be sadly disappointed!

    1. Kingsley June 27, 2014 at 8:28 pm

      “Many women have good jobs, don’t need sex, and are happy just going out to eat or shopping with their girlfriends.”

      You just described my mother.

    2. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 4:32 am

      “So guys if you were thinking things were going to get better for you as you got older, you will be sadly disappointed!”

      Indeed. Women get off on shopping and the psychological validation via social media. The latter of ehoch has replaced the male penis.

  39. Brianmark June 26, 2014 at 1:16 am

    I agree with you 100%. There is no wall in America. Many women have good jobs, don’t need sex, and are happy just going out to eat or shopping with their girlfriends. So guys if you were thinking things were going to get better for you as you got older, you will be sadly disappointed!

  40. LongLostFriend June 26, 2014 at 3:08 am

    I agree that most women will not have trouble finding someone to fuck them.

    Will those men be as desirable to them as the ones they had in their 20s? And, if the woman is looking to settle down and starting the proverbial family, will choosing from among those men put the emphasis on “settling”?

  41. Mark Mallarde June 26, 2014 at 3:14 am

    There is plenty of carnage in the SoCal area. Tons of it, in fact. 39-42-year-old spinsters that are “independent” and “ambitious” but “finally ready to settle down” because they “definitely” want to have children per their profiles.

    I see hundreds of these women that p-ssed away their 30s — never mind their 20s — and are now untouchable. Too much sun, arm flab, etc. And most don’t even have any idea that things might not work out for them the way they planned.

    Even the ones in their mid-30s are facing some danger. Now this leaves a lot of guys out of the picture, too. With all these female casualties, there are bound to be male ones. But to heck with us if we give up sex with attractive women for the rest of our lives for the off chance we get a couple healthy kids with no frivorces.

  42. Bro June 26, 2014 at 3:26 am

    I’ve never met a happy middle aged woman in my life.

    1. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 4:36 am

      “I’ve never met a happy middle aged woman in my life.”

      Nor have I. Even the ones who put on an aura of happiness is miserable once you get to know her better.

  43. Jon June 26, 2014 at 3:52 am


    lots of these spinsters and single mothers live in poverty when they’re past like 35. Yeah, they have more choices, but they still are poorer than men.

  44. FranklySlavic June 26, 2014 at 4:52 am

    The vagina has always had the highest value of all human organs. It is the organ that carries on your genes. The difference is that women, not society, religion, their fathers o their husbands, own these vaginas. And women lack the responsabiliy to properly manage this resource.

    1. Smart Alex June 26, 2014 at 10:10 pm

      You know the difference between a vagina and a cunt? A vagina is that thing between a woman’s legs. A cunt is everything else attached to it.

      1. KING LION July 3, 2014 at 7:42 am

        LMAO…..Niiiice one!

      2. KING LION July 3, 2014 at 7:47 am

        I’m taking your joke over to the Toronto blog…..Thanks…..It reminds me of the difference between slut and a bitch…..A slut will sleep with anybody. A bitch will sleep with anybody — but YOU!

  45. Uh oh June 26, 2014 at 4:54 am

    You must not spend much time around many older single women, especially overweight, wrinkled ugly ones – and they comprise a very large percentage of American women. On top of being old and ugly, they are mental basket cases, and the only “men” they can get are ex-cons, drug addicts, or broke moochers. I know far more fat old wrinkled spinsters than I do any other demographic.

    Oh and single black women? You can just forget it. One only needs to look at Pew statistics to know that upwards of 70% of black women are unwed single mothers – that may even be a bit modest.

    At least men can continue to gather resources. The only thing women gather after a certain age are more and more physical maladies – that only further hinder their chances of finding even a similarly disgusting man thought to be in the same SMV range. It’s dismal for old women, especially if they are fat. “Old” for women usually starts at 35 and is nearly a foot and half in the grave at 40. By 50, she may as well just join a convent.

    1. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 4:42 am

      “American women. On top of being old and ugly, they are mental basket cases, and the only “men” they can get are ex-cons, drug addicts,”

      Wrong. Those types of men you mentioned are the ones that get the young hotties. It’s the über beta males with zero game that plug the aged, washed up, middled aged pig vomit females.

  46. Onder Hassan June 26, 2014 at 9:28 am

    I personally wasted 4 years of my journey in game being resentful of the fact that women had it better than men when it comes to dating.

    It wasn’t until I got over it when things started to improve. Sure women have easier access on the front end. But how many of them actually have the skills to keep a man around after they’re done fucking them?

    How many of them have the ability to pick a man they want to be with?

    Taking a passive role is all well and good, but there’s nothing more powerful than seeing something you like, going after it and having a fighting chance at getting it.

    I would take that versus dolling myself up the best I can and wishing for the best.

    Maybe its because I’m a man with a natural urge to take control and make stuff happen. But I honestly wouldn’t want it any other way. I feel the most happiest when my life’s in control versus being out of control.

    1. seth datta June 26, 2014 at 8:25 pm

      Its a good attitude. I do wonder how the future will pan out. The dating scene in even just ten years from now for men will be abysmal for most. Women don’t care about keeping a man around. That’s part of the problem. The vast majority of hot women of the future in the West will be from the upper middle class, which will be thinned out and you will need to be in those social circles to mingle. Which just leaves pay-for-play.

      1. Onder Hassan June 27, 2014 at 8:56 am

        I think it won’t be a problem, Game simply evolved to meet demand after men realised what women really go for.

        Perhaps over time as more men learn game and it becomes over abundant, women may start to change their preference and go for a higher calibre of man. Perhaps up the ante on us, which will make it even harder.

        That’s why I’ve always personally believed that game on its own isn’t enough. Sure you can get quick lays from it, but its far better to be ‘complete’ by having other aspects of your life sorted versus having no life and spending all of your time chasing and acquiring notches.

        Finding balance is key.

    2. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 4:47 am

      “Sure women have easier access on the front end. But how many of them actually have the skills to keep a man around after they’re done fucking them?”

      Women dont want to keep men, after they fuck you (which will be dick #5000) they will already be thinking about the next one on the carasel.

  47. johnathan blaze June 26, 2014 at 11:38 am

    It really all comes down to one thing — can she stay skinny? In the US, thin women will always be desired just because of the current fatass epidemic going on. A woman who stays thin can put off the wall for quite a while and also generate interest from younger men.

  48. anonymous June 26, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    It’s a bit disconcerting that you apparently just realized this, as if it’s some grand revelation. Not that long ago you’d probably have written off this kind of rant as blue pill nonsense.

    Better late than never I suppose.

    As for a solution – women will only lose their advantage the day they are replaced by technology. Perhaps you’ll figure that out one day too.

    1. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 4:51 am

      “As for a solution – women will only lose their advantage the day they are replaced by technology”

      I look forward to that dsy, good sir. When do you see that happening?

  49. john June 26, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    You have such a simplistic view when people and life are so complex. I am baffled at how you can believe this. You must just surround yourself with shallow women and not have any meaningful interactions at all….

  50. Californi Cato June 26, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    Once upon a time there was this guy named Roosh who wrote entertaining, funny, and uplifting stories of his travels abroad and adventures bedding chicks.

    Now there’s this guy named Roosh who writes, bitter, whiny, and depressing stories about him getting older.

    Creepy old guy Roosh at 35 is just as pathetic as these spinster chicks at 35.

  51. Ternarydemon June 26, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    You have it only half-way right Roosh. The problem in this article is
    that it you wrote it in a masculine-centric point of view, valuing short-term sexual
    intercourse over long-term commitment. It is only natural for men to think that way. A woman will always have it easier to fuck around than a man. In that sense, the Wall is indeed a bump and women can easily slut it until its 40s while a man will have to work hard.

    But women do not find final gratification in sex. Something so easily achieved
    has low intrinsic value. Men value sex. Women value, and find final gratification, in commitment from a worthy male.

    In such feminine-centric point of view, women do hit the Wall around 35, where
    their fading looks prevent them from securing commitment (marriage) from alphas
    and higher betas. In Anglo-Saxon countries, it may begin even at 26. That is
    the Wall.

  52. Jeremy June 26, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Sorry, but this post is a bunch of whiny crap. No wonder you ran away from the states to be in 3rd world countries.

  53. Jonathan Roseland June 26, 2014 at 11:58 pm

    I would kind of like the Redpill community to move on from this issue… Yeah women have an advantage in getting laid, which is actually a tremendous disadvantage in building character. I don’t know if it need to be continually re-articulated.

  54. abprosper June 27, 2014 at 1:23 am

    1st, the red pill movement is at most a decade old. It can’t really be expected to have had huge amounts of immediate success in changing attitudes that are many centuries old. It is working but as with many medicines it will take time and it won’t help everyone.

    And yes of of course men will settle downward for less quality women. They haven’t learned how to mark their status by other means, to eschew what the herd says or to live for themselves in any numbers. Give it time.

    Also one thing the red pill people almost uniformly fail to do is to teach men to not need women . We spend a ton of time trying to get guys to be the proverbial most interesting man in the world to get more tail and to “stay thirsty my friends” and to measure their manliness in terms of how many women and of what caliber they’ve had.

    Its little wonder that the wall is soft, the so called red pill as helped pad it.


    I understand why, its fundamentally a socially conservative movement that deep down in its roots isn’t that different that the Trad Cons. These guys want people to get married, have kids preserve society or baring that at least sex. They want something understandable and relatable.

    A society where men were encouraged to go their own way, learned at any early age to sublimate or control the sexual appetites, to excel on a personal level without women would be scary and alien. People feel it going Arab or Greek. Understandable but false I say.

    Instead of PUA tips I’d like to see a portion of this movement (not Roosh obviously) work to substitution tech, tools that negate or fill the sex drive, maybe someday drugs that mimic the side effects of minocycline

    The best thing we can do is to encourage more MGTOW and instead of pitying or mocking these guys, applaud them. The dork who stays home and plays video games or masturbates instead of chasing owmen is doing a good thing and isn’t a freak to be pitied.

    Now most of these mole rats could do something more productive than play Call of Duty and could have more pride but at least they are out of the race, aren’t feeding the system as much and aren’t making things worse.

    If they’re happy we ought to encourage them

  55. Supramax June 27, 2014 at 7:55 am

    One of the depressing things about reading the long string of comments here is the sheer and obvious sexual frustration – something I think 90-95% of men can relate to at some point or another. It’s the frustration that the other 3 bears in this true story must share:

    It’s also a sad testament to our society not only as it applies to our attitude towards nature but as it applies to men in general and alpha males in particular. I think it’s the general impulse that paved the way to communism in a lot of the world and will probably do so again once the memory of the most recent failures passes.

    We all operate in a market and it’s all fine and well to complain about the market but it won’t get you very far. Like those bears we have to learn to either compete with that alpha, move to a different forest, or be content with our miserable fate. As any true market participant (market player) knows it does you no good to complain.

    Shall we constrain that alpha as the Spaniards propose to do to that bear ? Read this plot summary of a Kurt Vonnegut short story “Harrison Bergeron”

    Don’t complain about the female bears any more than you complain about having to make money or eat to survive – adapt.

  56. DeCode June 27, 2014 at 8:37 am

    Roosh, while I agree with you 100%, you are forgetting one thing…Women crave stability and security not dick. They delude themselves into thinking that -supposedly – wild sex and being with a different guy of their choosing every other night is what they really want. But the reality is they will never be happy till they find a man who will dominate and check them like they long to be. Women NEED to submit to a worthy man. Giving up the poosy to thirsty “alphas” isn’t gonna satisfy that need. If anything it makes it even more apparent to her and everyone around her how much of a failure she is. Because it’s a reminder that she’s only good for ‘right now’ and not happily ever after.

    I have have heard these “party girls” cry their hearts out over “why am I not married, I just want what you have, is it too much to ask that someone loves me” etc.

    This is from 30+yr old 7s and 8s! Who played the game, some even divorcing 1 or 2 husbands. Playing the “strong and independent ” role while enablers (family and sorry female friends) babysit their brats as they go out and slut it up. Or allow them to stay with them so she can “get her money right”.

    Never forget, women are master manipulators of what those around them perceive them to be; or so they think. If it makes you or any other man feel any better, know that past her prime, drunk hotness, turning down guys at the bar/club for fun; is miserable on the inside, as she mimics her version of post wall Sex & the City.

    1. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 5:00 am

      “Roosh, while I agree with you 100%, you are forgetting one thing…Women crave stability and security not dick”

      Man you’re a dumbass.

      Woman complain all the time about not being married yet will always dump a decent man, ie husband material for a violent ex-cons. Are you fucking blind, or a virgin? Fo us all a favot and read the other articles at this blog and Return Of Kings before you preseume to make such shit-for-brains assertions.

      1. primetime2123 January 10, 2017 at 12:02 am

        women dump those guys cause they want alphas not beta chumps. alphas are more likely to be successful in life than betas

  57. sjutte350 June 27, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    You don’t control these women’s decisions. By the standards of animalia, they are intelligent, sentient creatures, just like all other humans. They’ve made their decision. You don’t agree with it. You think that they are lamentable people for what they do.

    Why, again, then, do you care that they reject you when you proposition them?
    Why do you proposition them in the first place?

    By your own standards, they are lamentable, nasty people, who you should rationally want nothing to do with. Why does it bother you so that you can’t control what they do? Who cares? Let them destroy themselves. Let them lie to themselves. What bother is that to you? What interest should that hold to you?

    It’s like I told my 30-something buddy when his 30-something wife got the “tingle” and left him and his daughter for a “bad-boy” lay:

    She’s shown you who she really is, which is a simply awful person who would abandon her family so that she can go fuck sumdood. Knowing that, why do you even care that she left? She is a horrible person, and if you regret anything, it should be that you wasted ten years loving and supporting her while she lied to you (quite effectively) about who she is. You’ll never be able to get that back, but why, oh why, would you ever want HER back?

    (Side note – at least so far, the courts have treated him pretty fairly, and he got custody. She doesn’t have to pay him child support, but she doesn’t have anything to pay, anyway).

    1. KING LION July 3, 2014 at 7:38 am

      Exactly…..Men need to forget those type of bitches and thank the Almighty that they can now see them for what they truly are.

    2. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 5:06 am

      “By your own standards, they are lamentable, nasty people, who you should rationally want nothing to do with. Why does it bother you so that you can’t control what they do? Who cares? ”

      The author was not complaining, he’s making a statement that some clueless men who can’t connect the dots need to hear.

  58. Barry June 28, 2014 at 9:55 am

    A couple of years ago, while in Malaysia for a few months, I worked alongside a Canadian girl. Mid-thirties, dancer’s body, nice smile, a 6 or a 7, not bad but nothing special. Tongue piercing and tatted up, and she was usually pleasant, all added up to ‘come get me’. Came onto me, I declined (don’t shit where you eat, money > pussy – she got catty after that, let her inner cunt show through, just shows I dodged a drama bullet).

    She had a long-term BF who was part of a captain’s crew on a yacht, spent nine months a year on the high seas – beta chump who was glad to have her in his life, said his parents liked her and told him to hold onto her. When he was gone, she was riding the cock carousel at high speed… just because she was almost 35 didn’t mean she had to worry about slowing down, especially since she was thin and did a better job than most from letting her inner bitch come out.

    Hell, one evening I was playing wingman to a decent-looking, charismatic Middle Eastern guy who propositioned a fat, ugly 42-year old Brit who looked ten years older – and she turned him down!

    All that to say: Nope, the Wall isn’t made of concrete, but rubber. She’ll just bounce off and keep right on going. No god, no karma, gents. Swallow the bitter truth and move on.

  59. 20th Level June 28, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    The only consolation that you can possibly have for a chick that dumps you for perceived higher value is to NEVER be caught slipping the next time you randomly run into her down the road.

    The times that I have ran into ex LTR’s years later(I NEVER keep in touch with exes, fuck that friends shit) they always want to hook up because I havent gained weight and my style is still tight while they may have added a wrinkle or two and they are perceiving me as better/higher quality as than whatever current/ex-bf has run them through the ringer.

    I never get with them though because I can see age catching up to them an more importantly their personality flaws seem super obvious and impossibly annoying now that my own emotional attachment is gone.

    Its true when they say that you can never go back.

  60. Rael June 28, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    “There will be no redemption. There will be no comeuppance. For most of their lives, women will have it easier than us …”
    Seriously?!? ALL of the dangers of sex fall more heavily on women than on men, from pregnancy, to the risk of catching STDs, to the risk of being raped. You actually think men have it harder than women in the sexual arena? How would you like to have blood pour out of your cock one week each month, like it does out of a woman’s vagina???
    Yes, it’s harder for men to get laid than it is for women but that’s mostly because women have a higher burden of sexual risk.

    1. Myopia July 20, 2014 at 11:56 pm

      When you’re 55, go into a nightclub and try to pick up a younger guy, then you’ll know how hard it is for an average man to meet someone. A younger guy has to approach about 100 girls to get 5 conversations. And until he has sufficient experience, he might need 20 conversations to get one phone number.

      Condoms take care of STDs and pregnancy, that’s preventative child’s play. It’s not harder for men because women have a higher burden of sexual risk, it’s because women are the final arbiter when choosing a sex partner.

    2. Man With No Name June 28, 2015 at 5:11 am

      “Yes, it’s harder for men to get laid than it is for women but that’s mostly because women have a higher burden of sexual risk”

      Today’s contemporary female doesn’t care about her health.

  61. Troy Francis June 29, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Sadly, this is absolutely true. I’m friends on Facebook with a girl I dated back in my early twenties. She is now forty. Her photos show that, after two kids with a guy that she divorced a couple of years back, the years haven’t been particularly kind. She was hot as hell in her day, but now objectively my SMV is significantly higher than hers. Still, if her updates are to be believed, she has guys falling all over themselves for her, sending her flowers and poems etc. it seems incredible to me, but you can never underestimate the thirstiness of men. She would not identify with the concept of the wall as used in the manosphere in any way, although it’s undeniable that she has smashed through it.

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  63. Bray Fentos July 2, 2014 at 8:25 am

    When women hit the wall the change is as much, if not more psychological than physical. The man that recognises the existence of the wall and knows what emerges on the other side can save himself a lot of trouble by opting out.

  64. TheGenXFactor July 3, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    The soft wall also creates a player ladder as we age into the upper brackets. Especially if you are healthy, you can and will be bedding attractive females into your 60’s. The soft wall creates ladder playmates who compete for the best males. Once you learn what the particular BS is at her given age and experience level, it becomes very easy to pick up the best of the lot who will jump through hoops to lay you. Your particular level of wealth and accomplishment is a factor and can have you working with 20’s into your advanced age, but it is nice to have the upper ladder females to compliment them. Also, if you are being serviced by a hot and fit 30 something who is really into you, the 20 somethings will try harder to steal you away. Once a female has aged a bit and sees you as a catch, she will be very public in her affections and in private too. Other females observing this are very curious as to what you have going especially if you play it well: happily, aloofly almost smugly experiencing a female that can’t seem to get her hands off you or do enough for you. The one caveat is that you have to have some wealth for this to work as the 30+er’s who work on themselves are going to be very selective for obvious reasons. It is easy. Regardless of the age, you can be in a very good position in five years with work. Broke 25 to wealthy 30, broke 40 to wealthy 45. It can be done and is worth it if you make the decision. Game then gets easier.

    1. JWHacket July 3, 2014 at 7:17 pm

      Thanks for the positive outlook. As a 56 year old who is in the middle of a break up, after 2 years, with an attractive 24 year old, I was beginning to think my days were numbered and I would have to settle for some wrinkled older woman my age. You just cheered me up!

      1. TheGenXFactor July 3, 2014 at 7:48 pm

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    2. T Harrell July 5, 2014 at 7:41 pm

      Especially if you go overseas. I got a job in Asia at age 52 after my wife ran off. She did me a favor as I had the time of my life. Got married to a beautiful woman after a few years of endless younger girlfriends. Now at 59, I’ve never been happier.

  65. R beer July 4, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    The main tenant to be taken from this article: life is patently unfair.

  66. Old Man Red July 5, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    This article is both right and wrong. There may very well be a soft wall at 30ish, but the hard wall comes in their 40’s.

    I’ve witnessed it and it’s spectacular.

    For example; I have a bunch of recently divorced, recently ex-blue-pill-beta friends. In most cases their mid 35-45yr old wives left them after decades of having their false value reinforced. They left for the promise of landing a ‘better’ man. Being married, plus being pumped by alpha’s further reinforced this false hope.

    So they left their beta looser husbands only to find they had no value. The funny thing is they become mature enough to realize their only value is as a back up lay for a non-discerning alpha.

    The icing on the cake is seeing their husbands wake up to the red pill, self improve, and start running numbers up on their ex-wives 20ish year old counter parts.

    Redemption comes with your own self improvement, the wall is inevitable.

  67. Scotty July 15, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Can’t say I totally agree. If women avoid the “commupence” simply because they can still easily get laid at post-35 Wall, then sure, but the key is, they are pump and dumps, and will go on as such indefinitely while the quality of pump goes down. For us, if you have any game at all, and any looks (plus cash), your quality of pumps won’t really go down, or lose frequency or honesty about what it all is.
    How many times, since you were a young man, have you seen an older woman that you KNEW used to be good looking, who now has the trash face, smoker’s hair, and saggy tits, bringing the plumber to a neighborhood party? It may not be a recognized commupence for her (them), but it sure is to anyone else.
    Also, I pumped and dumped (sometimes nearly daily) dozens of near-Wall, at-wall and just past-Wall women and just as Roosh notes for them, I’ve never regretted dumping them and never missed any of them. And I’ve never cared if they missed me or thought I was the one that got away.

  68. Stronzo July 20, 2014 at 8:17 am

    My ex is 38 childless, can’t find a husband, and she’s a massive bitch. But she has problem getting laid….by inferior men. So there are consequences far greater than people realise for women. It’s just not completely apparent.

  69. Dawson Stone July 22, 2014 at 8:58 am

    This has not been my experience. I would argue that a man’s value peaks at 40-45 and a women’s at 20. This 20-25 year age gap is the ideal gap if a couple is going to have similar societal value. I talk about this some in my post:

    And women do NOT have it easier. They have a 10 year window (AT MOST) to land and tie down a guy and she depreciates super fast over that period. She must maximize this period and is smart to do so. We must simply resist the urge to let her.

    As a man, assuming you have a decent job and take care of yourself, when you are 30, 40 even 50+ you can date women 18, 28, 38. Unless you are JLo or Madonna, you are not dating a hot, sexy, well educated guy that is 23. No fucking way. For a guy, this is trivial.

    Men have it was easier if they would just take control.

  70. ASC August 18, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    I’d rather be a man, to have moral values, pride, honor, to work for my achievements and be proud of them, to have people admire me for my actions and dedication than for my looks, i’d rather be emotionally stable, in control of my brain and actions, be responsable, be fully aware of the truth and realty in this world. I’d rather become the type of man that gets laid even more than the average women with my actions, i’d rather pump and dumb than be pumped and dumped. I’d rather feel superior, dominate and be truely satisfied with my life, be a protector and a providor for those who i care about, to be desired by women, to atleast have the chance to become an alpha-male (yes i’m not yet there completely) than to be a woman. Roosh posts amazing stuff but this post is just depressing. I thank whoever creator that i was born a man, i have no complains, no jealousy towards women. Even knowing that my ex/date can go and get fucked easily than i can, that she can go suck,fuck and swallow and not be blamed for it because she’s a woman. A man can make babies and fuck at 60,70,80,90 years old, a man doesn’t have a weaker body, no periods, no meno-pause, less depressions, a man, even if he is beta can find a woman later on in life if he atleast steps up his game by 1%, because after 30 women will become desperate. But why wait right, if as pick up artists say, only 10% of men get laid with consistency, then as a man you have a chance to be part of that 10%, women don’t have that chance. Stop fucking whining, be grateful for being a guy. Be so grateful, because i’ve seen women, i’ve seen girls, and the more i observe, meet, talk, fuck, date them, the less i envy them, and the less my problems appear real compared to theirs, even if they’re not fully aware of them most of the time. i guess ignorance is bliss but hey, i’d rather take the red pill and work on fixing and improving everyday than to go back to the matrix like the one 99% of women live in. I am almost 20, and i recently realized that i am indefinitely proud to be a man, and I think that any male that has the slightest jealousy or feeling of ‘this is unfair, they can get laid without working for it’ towards woman, is just a man who isn’t living up to his potential as a predator, as a man and as a leader in this world.

  71. DR01D December 2, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    One of my acquaintances from an old job is chasing after a single mom with 4 kids. He is 5’4″, 200 pounds, lacks any ambition and has no game. So while it is true that a woman can always catch a beta chump the quality she attracts drops precipitously as her market value heads south. If you’re smart it’s much better to be a man. And who cares what dummies do? Women don’t want these guys anyway. They sadly accept them as consolation prizes.

  72. phluff127 February 9, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    I think you misinterpret the meaning of the wall. For women hitting the wall does not mean being too ugly to attract a sexual partner. Hitting the wall means the inability to have a worthwhile partner commit to marriage. Not getting (or getting) sex means nothing to a 35 year old women. Not being commitment worthy is the meaning of the female wall. Being forced to marry and pretend to love some beta feminist is their greatest fear

    1. BJ April 17, 2015 at 2:38 am

      This.. women, especially feminists, confuse being able to be pumped and dumped by alphas in their 30s with being able to secure commitment from these men.. two VERY different things. Carousel riders end up miserable because the only men they can end up getting to commit to them are the men they despise… it is either that or die alone with their cats, both depressing options. Just don’t be one of the betas that marries these washed up wrecks!

  73. FG February 11, 2015 at 9:37 am

    “Levels of thirst in America are higher than any other country I’ve been in.”<— Are you serious Roosh ?
    come ot Asutralia/Uk…there are good looking guys hooking up and even dating fat warpig.
    Hugh Jackman's wife is fat, 15 years older than him and ugly as shit.
    And Huge Jackman is more alpha than every guy on the Roosh V forum.

    1. BJ April 17, 2015 at 2:37 am

      Australia is indeed a tough market. I’m an Aussie who has been to America, and whilst I didn’t run into wife material, getting laid was like shooting fish in a barrel. They were also far more pleasant than the bitchy, aggressive women we have to put up with back home!

  74. jaycrest April 30, 2015 at 11:40 am

    That’s alright. She’ll never regain the power or satisfaction she could’ve had by staying with a single partner.

  75. Caribeeneri June 16, 2015 at 4:02 pm

    Have always thought there is little or no karma for women. I have no problem and don’t wish bad karma for women who simply reject someone or for having the power of rejection laid in their hands, it is the bad karma for those with a bad attitude, shameless carousel riders looking to punch out their ticket at the expense of a beta, and those who generally treat men poorly. My only difference of opinion is that with on average 5% more males than females born around the world I think the thirst is everywhere.

  76. Brutus Maximus June 17, 2015 at 10:59 am

    There’s still a hope for them in porn, granny fuck section.

  77. Sebastian Cook June 28, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    It’s really amusing to watch the rape-culture apologists on here talk like they actually have a clue about social and economic issues.

  78. Daxx October 9, 2015 at 1:10 pm

    Perimenopause and menopause ….they will become unhappy when their brains stop creating serotonin(the happy drug)….and those “good old days” will all be a distant memory….men still produce this drug well into later life….nothing in life is free….everyone pays up

  79. Leandro Aude March 29, 2016 at 5:19 am

    That`s a natural disadvantage. Men are genetically determined to spread their DNA among the most quantity of women as possible, but women to choose the best fathers for their sons.

  80. Pink_Freud May 7, 2017 at 4:51 am

    No such thing as the wall. It’s just a cope for aging and rejected men. Even if we get to fuck 20 year olds as we age, our female counterparts still have it better and regret nothing. There is no revenge.