The Women Of Vitória (Brazil)

As I’ve previously written here, Vitória is a tough city to run game. Even though the ratio of women to men is very high, I had to approach like a fucking machine just to get one decent hookup. If I worked that hard anywhere else in Brazil, I’d have enough prospects to last me a couple months.

Believe it or not, easiness of women is only a minor factor for choosing where I travel to. What’s more important is if the women are of high quality, because I don’t mind putting in a moderate amount of energy to snag something special. It’s only when the women disappoint me with cold or strange attitude, like in Argentina, do I get turned off and search for greener pastures.

That is sort of what happened in Vitória. The girls weren’t warm by Brazilian standards and simply didn’t hint to me that they were worth the trouble. So I was surprised when an attractive girl from Vitória started an email correspondence with me. She suggests that the attitude is just a front. Here is her enlightening analysis, which I’m sure holds true for other lower tier Brazilian cities as well:

I’ve heard the same complaint from many (Brazilian) people about the capixabas [people from Vitória] not being very open and friendly. I could think of many reasons for that, but mostly I think it’s just because Vitória is an island and used to be a “green barrier” (barreira verde, don’t know how to say that in English) to protect Minas Gerais. So we have spent a lot of time without much contact with other people, and I guess we have grown a little “suspicious” of everyone.

We’re not used to having tourists visiting, even from Brazil (except for the mineiros). You’d be surprised to know that a lot of Brazilian people don’t even know where Vitória is. I get a lot of “Vitória da Conquista?” (a city in Bahia) when I travel. People joke saying that Bahia is North of Rio (meaning that Espírito Santo doesn’t exist). We’re a small town—we only have twice as many people as Copacabana, a *neighborhood* in Rio. So I guess we’re like an unpopular high school gang, just hanging out together and looking out for each other. It’s hard to get in (and no one cares to try), but once you do, you’ll realize how cool we are. 🙂

The problem with being an American guy trying to get girls in Vitória, I think, is that a lot of us have the natural “anti-American” instinct (as we also have the “anti-carioca”, the anti-anything that we consider better than us). As in “Did you really think it would be that easy to get me to bed just because you’re from Rio/New York/Paris?” We have an inferiority complex that we try to make up by being snobish and playing hard to get. But, it usually doesn’t last long. Girls in Rio are used to gringos, we’re not used to anyone. That *will* become an advantage eventually, but it does take a lot of game.

And, everyone knows everyone here. Women (at least my girlfriends and I) try to be very careful with what they do, because the next day everyone is already talking about it. And when I say that everyone knows everyone, I really mean it (it’s crazy).

There’s another problem that is very specific to Vitória too: there are a LOT of girls, and not too many guys. This *could* mean that girls would be easier here (out of desperation!), but this is what happens: guys have become the biggest assholes (not alpha assholes; just plain assholes). They think you have a moral obligation to worship them. So if they approach you and you’re not interested, they’ll immediately start cursing at you or trying to offend you. I’ve seen it happen a lot. Sometimes we *are* interested, just not in the mood to play their caveman game. So most girls in Vitória have grown tired of that, I think, and end up being more interested in hanging out with their girlfriends than putting up with one of these guys. You’ll see a lot of us dating guys from other states (who don’t live here, and whom we’ve met in Rio or other cities).

A capixaba girl will behave completely different in another city, with other men (and without other capixabas around to make gossip). But maybe what I’m saying is all just bullshit and we *are* actually snobs. But I don’t think we are.

I can vouch for capixabas acting different (i.e. sluttier) in other cities: my Danish roommate had a one-night stand with one staying in Rio. But then again that’s true for all women.

I’m ready to come to the conclusion that Vitória is only worth your time if you live there, and not traveling through. Unless you want an ultimate-test-of-your-game type of challenge by coming here for a weekend or two, stick to the other gringo-friendly cities instead.

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The inferiority complex that they try to make up for by being difficult certainly applies to Argie girls too.

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I think I might put it back on my list of cities to visit, just for the test-of-your-game. I guess if I know that I’m going to get blown out, I may have some fun with it. Have a competition and see who can get blown out the worst…

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belo horizonte is similar though to a lesser degree. ive been here 5 weeks…..got a few bangs but definitely had to put more effort than i cared to. A good piece of advice if you are traveling is always have an easy “bang city” on the list. Im going to rio soon and though it is not the easiest place in the world to get flags it definitely will be for me when compared to minas gerais. When i return to brazil im thinking of living a few months in brasilia, porto alegre or curitiba…anybody have any advice concerning these cities?

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Even though Vitoria might be a tough place to run game, Brazilians surely are easier to pull than other countries.

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“But maybe what I’m saying is all just bullshit and we *are* actually snobs.”

^^^^This part at the end is probably the truth.

Women think differently than men. When women act like ice princesses, they think that will make men like them more or value them more or whatever.

But in reality, it just makes men annoyed with them.

Also telling is that the girls there don’t really fuck the locals (according the the e-mailer), so this is a serious red flag that the women there tend to be bitches.

I tend to call it “picky bitch syndrome” whenever girls have to trot out the rationalization hamster to explain why they act like cunts to most guys.

Oh, well.

Plenty of other places in Brazil to visit.

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This girl does touch on some very true points. Especially the thing about everyone knowing everyone. It is a rather small city. My friend was saying the same thing. I did see some crazy caveman game going on there as well. The key to Vitoria is building a strong social network, make lots of friends. I found girls are MUCH more receptive if you have mutual friends. I met some real sweethearts there. I feel it would have been pretty damn easy to hook up after being there for a month had I not had a girlfriend. Girls were really friendly when they would meet me through friends (And my friend was a “playboy” out there, but not the dick type, he did good work). My girl was the biggest sweetheart I’d ever met. I did meet her through friends though. But we definitely just hit it off real well the first night we met, even though we hardly spoke each others language. Man, I remember the night we had at Casa Clube though, approaching just about every girl in there with 0 luck. It was still fun though, and a learning experience. I guess it’s just not easy to pick up in the clubs there.

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Reguardless, I’ll definitely be going back there, probably this coming summer. I have a strong social network there as well. Probably more friends there than anywhere else in Brazil.

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why do you have a link to proflowers on here? seems very unroosh of you.

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The issue is quality vs time-energy spent. No doubt minas gerais (vitoria, belo horizonte)in general has alot of qaulity women but for a real travel experience you want a city that maximizes both. In that regard neither roosh nor anyone one else in this blog really knows what city in brasil is optimal. With this in mind, Colombia is a somewhat better option when it comes to balancing both when you have limited time. However, as in my opinion brasilian women have a special something(that roosh has mentioned) and arguably of higher quality in general i will be coming back to brasil regularly looking for the best city… but with some side trips to medellin colombia of course.

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To 9, I’ve definitely found cities in Brazil that were optimal for both. But I’m sure it could be a very different experience for people who don’t already know people there. I was immediately thrown into a social circle when I came to a lot of these places. But reguardless, Vitoria was still my favorite spot. It wasn’t the easiest, but for me the quality way outweighs the ease. I would say that Braganca Paulista and Sao Paulo were very optimal for quality and ease. But I guarantee most people would go to Braganca Paulista and say, “Why the fuck did I come here?” It all depends on who you know. I know a lot of people say Paulistas are cold, but my experience was very different. I was turning girls down in Sao Paulo.

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to international playboy your point is well taken….but having a social circle in brasil is like roosh’s danish roomate’s scandinavian good looks. it is a very good asset to have but most dont have it or dont have the time to create it. So for our purposes we want an environment (city in brasil) where women are most receptive to game without losing quality.

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roosh im more of a colombia expert. bang colombia was definitely a very good read. been to rio(2 weeks)..belo horizonte(2 months) and curitiba (1 week). My portugues is getting fluent so that has changed things…im currently in bh. Looking for a hidden gem here in brasil but definitely bh is not there yet. brasilia and porto alegre are future options.

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Belo Horizonte is known to have a very high ratio of women to men. I thougth Coronel Nascimento should have had more luck there. By the way, “tropa de elite 2” (the movie) rules!!!
P.S. Although I don’t see any reason for a foreigner to go to Campo Grande (Mato Grosso do Sul), I must say that I lived there for some years and the girls there are very uptight. Antway, brazilian women in general are very submissive and don’t think that they are princesses.

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Colonel,

I’m planning on spending some time in BH starting in Jan. Can you write up a data sheet on the forum?

If BH is not the place to be, I’d like to rearrange my travel plans.

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That is why i chose bh over brasilia…last thing i wanted is something like d.c. However, there are many variables at play. A little bit of ambition, curiousity and foreign language ability in a brasilian woman who lives in brasil is a very goog thing as long as it never passes a certain critical point. i.e uma brasileira who lives in the USA. And this is more advice greared toward gringos and first timers in brazil. As Roosh pointed out his first bangs in rio were with brazilian girls who spoke english. I just did it the reverse way which is not as efficient. Should have spent 2 months first in rio, banged some english speaking cariocas and then as my portuguese got better moved on somewhere else. But in the end im not discouraging but only promoting efficiency and experience in my fellow gamers. I banged a couple of cute mineiras and enjoy the lifestyle in minas, so in the end all is well. Just that my next stop will be somewhere where i feel im not working like a mule.

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It’s the kind of interaction like you got from this girl that I live for. I guess women in Vitoria are much like the American woman that is an uptight bitch here in the states, but will take a trip to the Caribbean and let out the inner slut with a local guy. At some point this year I’d like to hit Salvador. I got an offer to stay with an internet friend (just a friend – I won’t get a bang), and another friend from Sao Paulo says she’ll meet me in Salvador also (potential bang). I’m definitely going to try to make it happen.

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I have some experience with a girl from BH (not in BH).

Observations:

She had the best disposition of any girl I’ve ever met. Happy, fun vibe. Extremely sweet.

She was extremely conservative. I had 4 dates before the bang. And that was a dogfight to get that bang – 3 hour makeout sessions w/ blueballs that made me feel like a teenager.

The first date – she actually brought her friend! It was like a chaperon.

She said that in BH they look down at people from Rio as having no morals. She said people in BH don’t trust Cariocas and they think all the girls are sluts.

Long end short – Colonel – is this how you would describe BH? “Probably has the best girlfriend material in Brazil. It’s probably not a place that a tourist w/o Portuguese is going to do any serious damage.”

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19 lief.. I have a girl in belo horizonte like that now who is 20 yrs old. Banged her on the 2nd date which is the exception here(3rd o 4th date is the norm) Sweet as can be and thought she would remain like that until my time here is done. The 4th time together she started to show signs of doubt..negative ideas coming from friends and family of course. I made her admit that what is important is something to remember for the rest of your life and not something safe. Game counters negative outside influences often. However, I must admit im still not looking only for girlfriend material.

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Damn, Roosh, you must have pissed of some chica really bad for her to put you in there. The post is from way back in 2007. Damn.

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its always strange when girls are bitchy when theyre in a place where everybody knows their main goal is the fuck. Being bitchy and playing hard to get are to completely different things, and some girls just dont get that.

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Well. I can tell you NOT to go to Fortaleza. It is by far the most rude and unfriendly i have ever had the displeasure to travel to.

The women that are worth while looking at are apart of the developing middle class.

The biggest bitches you could imagine. Rude and unfriendly to the max. We are talking ignoring you when you say hello, turning their back when you greet them and laughing at you when you try to say something in Portugese.

Sao Paulo however is awesome. The women there are polite, educated and friendly. The exact opposite of crappy Fortaleza.

whew. I have been holding that little vent for quite a while. Thanks Roosh, i needed that.

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That skank who emailed you is just attention whoring. She has some extra time on her hands. She knows you want her so she emails you in an effort to put you in the position of a dog chasing his own tail. If you do not have the dignity to ignore her, which I will assume you do not (no diss intended) then tell her you are coming to her town in a week and try to make definite plans to meet up with her. I can almost guarantee her emails will immediately cease.

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Quotes: “…So we have spent a lot of time without much contact with other people, and I guess we have grown a little “suspicious” of everyone.

We’re not used to having tourists visiting, even from Brazil (except for the mineiros). …. So I guess we’re like an unpopular high school gang, just hanging out together and looking out for each other. It’s hard to get in (and no one cares to try), but once you do, you’ll realize how cool we are. 🙂 a lot of us have the natural “anti-American” instinct (as we also have the “anti-carioca”, the anti-anything that we consider better than us). …. We have an inferiority complex that we try to make up by being snobish and playing hard to get. But, it usually doesn’t last long. …And, everyone knows everyone here. Women (at least my girlfriends and I) try to be very careful with what they do, because the next day everyone is already talking about it……. Sometimes we *are* interested, just not in the mood to play their caveman game. ….. But maybe what I’m saying is all just bullshit and we *are* actually snobs. But I don’t think we are.”

Aye…. honestly, the above quotes are typical rationalization of inappropriate female behavior, pure and simple. Ladies of Vitoria, there is absolutely no reason to be rude to a foreign man who speaks to you. Sorry, I´m not buying it. For one thing any American man who travels to SA will have zero (0) NULL tolerance for cunt behavior because he sees it so much in the States. A small percentage of these men will be players, but most will be men simply wanting to meet and fall in love with a sweet gal who he could spend the rest of his life with, for all the right reasons. You can sit there and spew as much BS about “we are this way because…” Gringos may not be your type, but they are also not horrible men either. You could at least be polite. Besides, when you ladies are way too old, fat, lost your sex appeal and are basting in your own excrement in the favelas, with your illegitimate kid(s), you might look back at the moments in the past where you gave your nose a 45 degree angle at a gringo as a missed opportunity for a happier life. But like all females self introspection is not a quality you have so you will never really understand what is being said here. I guess having a tampon for a brain is bliss.

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14: “Antway, brazilian women in general are very submissive and don’t think that they are princesses.”

WRONG.

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26… you nailed it as how an american should act when he travels in the face of that attitude. its a different style of cockblocking and here we know how to react to it. even if you dont get the bang she will always remember you as the one who said fuck off and then there will always be another.

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Publish an interview with your Danish friend?

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I´m late in coming to this diskusion and I´m not good with words but yea i think the Warrior guy no. 26 nailed it.

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I live in vitoria and I have the total opposite experience. The people are very friendly and the women are amazing and so beautiful! But again I do live here and like you said that might be the difference.

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The worst for me was fortaleza. The so called middle class there are the rudest and stuck up women i have ever had the displeasure to know. The city is also violent and a shit hole. Avoid at all costs

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I was in Vitoria 3 times. Bussines trips but with lot free time. I’m 43 yares old, from Europe. Normally I go to beet with whomen on first date. Most casses…
In Vitoria was the same. I confirm: best place : Traiangulo with few lolal to eat, drink and dance. Stay in hotel close to this place.
Secret of Vitorian girls: they all looking for husbend….! Gringo ist the best! You must make impresion you are looking whife….
Thats all.. She will kiss you in first dance…
To be onest I am type of man who always wommen like 188cm hight – (+-) George Clonney.
Kiss will like an dream. I have not meet it so intensive before. In beet womens are hot and open….
Remember – give impression you looking for girlfriend…. not only for one night.
Who knows how every story will finish…
I was clouse to leave my whife and famylly for one girl I mit there….
Only one problem – only few speak eanglisch, but you can youse this and ceeate situatin when you looking for somebady speake eanglisch to help… with menu for ex…
When one will speake she will you help and feel like a star… best beggining….
Good luck!