The Worst Thing A Man Can Do

Something the DC meetup reminded me of…

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3rd Millenium Men
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Roosh, completely disagree on this one with you. I had a massive leg up in my career because of a powerful, talented, successful woman who is focused on giving young people a head start. She remains one of the most skilful, talented people I have ever met. It sucks and is unbelievably you apparently haven’t met a woman like that before!

What do you think about female seduction trainers? Or silly question? wink

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The first poster is a dyke troll.

This is a bullseye post. Women are dumb animals. It’s just the way they are.

But I also should add that many men always do listen to the advice of women, so how does one know the fellow man you are speaking to is simply echoing the useless advice of a female?

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I definatly agree with Roosh’s statement that you shouldn’t ask a woman’s advice on getting paid & getting laid. Especially if that woman is under the age of 35. When it comes to getting paid, MOST women under 35 would rather get a dude with a million bucks than figure out how to get it her self. On getting laid: the sex and romance advice that a woman gives a man is designed to turn him into a pussy-whipped, beta male. If that sounds good to you, then by all means take her advice.

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Not every woman you sleep with is a 100 percent human there’s woman out there that look hot but are basically the modern nephilm with better disguises. Look for cold detached looking eyes and small changes in her features in between meetups. Expect mind blowing sex and soul draining suffering real talk

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@ Alf
“But I also should add that many men also do listen to the advice of women, so how does one know the fellow man you are speaking to is simply echoing the useless advice of a female?”

It is also true that some men can give bullshit advice to other men on getting paid & getting laid to. The best thing you can do is seek out the men who have the type of lifestyle you want. When it comes to getting laid & getting paid, who are you going to ask? Gene Simmons or Walter World of War Craft who lives in his mom’s basement?

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You’re just plain right on this one, when it comes to women and business advice. I made up my own data, and 1% of US small businesses are at least 2% woman-owned.

In my experience, women have been less willing to share and offer advice altruistically than men, and research on differences between men and women managers backs this up.

Roosh, your advice on game is useful and that’s why I read your blog.

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@MBO:
Was that satire?

“45% of US small businesses are at least 50% woman-owned.”

“Successful business owners?” Eliminate those whose husbands built their businesses and put the wife’s name on the door for affirmative action purposes, and any others whose “success” is dependent on feminist policies, and 45% is a ludicrous exaggeration. They may be “successful” but much of their business advice is useless to males, because men can’t use it.

Go polish your armor.

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Yeah, I’d agree with that. Once in awhile I’ll meet a woman who’s honest and lucid enough to give solid advice about things…but that’s the extreme exception. In the vast majority of cases women are either way too caught up in their own myths or as Roosh said too concerned about hurting “their team” to really be relied upon. Sure, when a woman’s been in a profession longer than me I’ll listen but it’s not like I’m going to solicit her opinion on how I should carry myself or structure my life, those are two very different things IMO.

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My data comes directly from my vagina.

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So keep doing what you’re doing, since it’s working so well. (that’s my womanly advice)

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“And let’s remember the vast majority of businesses don’t do business with the government at all, meaning affirmative action doesn’t come into play at all.”

Ha! You must own a very small business. One person? Ten? A lot of us work for bigger corporations, and they are VERY much focused on affirmative action. I once worked for a Fortune 50 company that was obsessed with being named one of the “ten best companies for women” by Working Mother Magazine. Then they acquired a company in the Southwest, and became obsessed with promoting hispanics, so they would be given a gold star by Latina Magazine. One year they told us “Only 15 percent of promotions this year can go to anglo males” (that’s what they called all white males, even if we weren’t of “anglo” descent at all). 85% of promotions for women, latinos, and other minorities, and only 15% for white males. No affirmative action, eh? Do you know who that company was? Let’s put it this way: It was one of the top 2 phone companies in America. And for a few years, white men were almost completely shut out of advancement. Despite the fact that a white man INVENTED the telephone. What. A. Joke.

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Roosh, any chance you’re related to Fernando the Squid-hunting Manwhore?

http://youtu.be/b6rkXGikuNA

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What up with all the feminist trolls on this post? Guess you hit a nerve, Roosh!

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Well said, Roosh. Honestly, I can’t even read a non-fiction book written by a woman, unless it is REALLY spectacular. Even then I try to be careful and filter out drama and bullshit.

Yes, it’s really sad to see clueless guys ask a WOMAN how a man should get what he wants. It’s like asking a lawyer who never took apart an engine, how to fix a car. It’s just ignorance.

I think these guys do it because deep inside, they believe that women are nice and guys are bad, losers, etc….

Just ignorance, my friend. Fortunately I came across your material. I never need to ask a woman for shit.

It’s not that a man can’t learn shit from a woman because women are stupid. They aren’t stupid, but because they are so completely irrational, fickle, and vain, their ‘advice’ is utterly useless.

In fact, it will fuck you up.

The world was built by men, not women.

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I’ve listened to female professors’ advice on who to talk to in the school if I want to get something done. So many women these days are so manly and are integrated into our society that you can and should selectively listen and learn to deduce the real meaning from what they say. But after reading your original post on this, I did realize that I have not listened to a woman’s advice in years (i.e. since I learned game) on how to act or behave, and never will again. In this world of ours where in polite society there’s supposed to be more of a blur between man and woman, they have no idea what it’s like to be a man.

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Curious, why do you think women can’t offer career advice?

Otherwise, I agree that you should never take advice from women on relationships. Or married men who haven’t gotten strange in decades. Both are absolutely terrible as sources of advice, on dealing with women.

A woman might face different challenges than men in the business world, but there’s definitely enough overlap for them to offer good advice sometimes.

If it’s some hot chick who doesn’t understand why you can’t get a job say, working retail, when she has no problem (because she’s hot), yeah, she’ll be useless.

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I second what MBO said earlier, but I guess Roosh’s argument has more validity if we stick to discussing the ‘laid’ bit rather than ‘paid’.

For example on the ‘paid’ front if the majority of HR personnel are women than you better listen to them if you want a job. Even if you think they are vacuous dollybirds who are only employed to make up the equal opportunities numbers or because they ended up there after failing elsewhere after some idiot had over-employed them in the first place. They still have power.

As for the ‘laid’ bit. Never listen to them. Ever. I met a chick today. First date. In the middle of it she says ‘I’m concerned about you. Everytime I ask you something I never know if you are answering seriously or not. It makes me feel uncomfortable’.

Before that I hadn’t detected any major signs of attraction. After that I knew I had her. She’s in a state where she’s accepted that I’m not taking her seriously and I can say what I want. A ‘beta trait’ would be to placate her and try and make her see that I’m a nice guy who is giving her back control.

In reality, and from reading Roosh/Krauser I learnt not to care if she’s uncomfortable with not being in control of me. That is how you want them to feel. Don’t listen to them and what they do or do not want. They wont sign post you into their pussy.

5 mins later I’m pulling her in and french kissing her in the cafe.

ABC (Always Be Cadding)

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This post is spot on, but we should be more specific. There is no point asking women for advice on how to get laid since they have no idea about the male libido and our end of the social dynamics.

On how to get paid, there are lots of women who earn more than most men. On succeeding in the music business, I’m sure Beyonce would have lots to say, and it may even be useful. But still, women are marketed differently in business than men are, which also boils down to how men and women are perceived in society, so what makes a woman successful in business doesn’t necessarily make a man successful.

Furthermore, there are many men “manginas” or “white knights” who love to give advice when they have no positive experience or expertise in the field.

In short, only ask for advice from men who have done exactly what you are hoping to achieve. I.e, men that have been in your position, and turned things round.

You could say only as for advice from men who have what you want, or are envious of…

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You can ask a women how to cook something…..

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It’s dissapointing to find that you haven’t found any woman who goes past “pushing papers” in the office.

My mother stopped traffic when she was young (drop dead gorgeous) and had alpha boyfriends (but finally ended up with my beta provider dad, smart move). She is one of the most intelligent businessmakers I know. She studied informatics, but today is a lawyer. She sells, she works and she rents rooms. All while staying loving, feminine and faithful to my dad.

By the way, I live in Mexico.

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This is 100% absolutely true. THE WORST thing a man can do is ask women for advice , or guidance about ANYTHING.

You can see this constantly in the way a woman will ALWAYS want to hold you BACK.

• You have a terrific job opportunity in another country??
She won’t want you to move.

• You want to build a rocket to go into outer space??
A woman will tell you it’s impossible, you are insane and it’s a stupid dream. (this is exactly why women have never achieved greatness on any level in comparison to men)

• You want to be a Rock Star because you want to bang chicks?
She will belittle you and lecture you on how there is more to life than getting laid. Then when you agree with her and take a an office job… she will go out and bang an unemployed musician.

If you want to be successful, NEVER NEVER NEVER ASK A WOMAN FOR GUIDANCE OR ADVICE. Women don’t WANT to you be successful with women. Women don’ what you to know that mistreating them get you more vagina. And when you figure this out – or even blog on the subject – women get ANGRY. So what man would think she would freely give you the information in advance??

You think RHIANNA would ever tell Chris Brown that beating her would make her come back for more????

NEVER listen to women.

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Only ask a woman about inconsequential stuff like what type of alcoholic beverages to serve the ladies at the party you’re throwing.

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Spot on again Roosh. Funny music biz came up re. women’s success. If you really dig into most every woman who has retained a feminine look, and made it big, you will find that in most cases, their father’s or male confidants were a huge part of their big push to success.

They managed them, laid the ground work, read all their contracts with absolute scrutiny, and hashed out their propelling deals.

“If you listen to them, do the exact opposite…”
Yup.

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A lot more men are defending women then I thought. Nice smile

Occasionally you will run into an Analytical Female type. Smart women. But rarely, if ever, does this type start a company.

Women only build businesses in say fashion or baby clothing. But that makes total sense as those industries fit the female personality and men don’t really care. So it’s win win.

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absolutely correct.
look at women’s magazines. all tripe

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what about asking advice from dykes?

turbodyke
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Listening to a woman: now worse than murder.

greenlander
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Spot on, Roosh.

I spent my twenties listening to and incorporating dating advice from women. Wow, what a frustrating wasteland that resulted in…

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dude you’re hilaric. I hope you don’t mean this otherwise you’re stupid, but you’re not

How would you explain female professors or managers who have something intersting to say.

There’s one thing I agree about, that’s taking advice about dating, however advice from a sister can be very good.

But saing that you can’t take advice from woman in general lowers the credibility of your blog (and books).

I liked reading the longer stories on your blog.

keep on writing

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@gaiac I guess this is why Roosh modified my comments above (I wrote as Male Business Owner; he changed it to Female Business Owner.. you’ll see the other comments referencing MBO). He rewrote them and changed their meaning to the opposite.

Maybe he realizes he loses credibility to say no women can provide sound business advice. I agree with him not to ask women for dating advice though.

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Woman can have good advice on certain things in a very limited scope because of woman intuition now mind you my sister has great advice because of her six sense which we all have hers is very developped and I respect it and her. But I do think that at the end of the day woman or men advice should be limited at the end of the day you are the captain of your own ship, you should take advice from anybody with a grain of salt, unless they are exactly your personality doing what you do etc…. But even then they might want give you bad advice because they are jealous of you and are afraid of you as competition it is human nature….. So in the end follow your gut your third eye, what is inside of you, 99% of the time your gut will never steer you wrong. When it comes to business my sister advice i not as good because she is terribly afraid of risk and if you want to launch your own business risk is a factor just like when you work for someone except you are totally responsible for yourself like a real grown up, my sister has told me repeatly that woman have a code just like guys do, and that code involves not telling a man the real because guys are jerks etc but because she loves me she tells me the real deal I cannot count the amounts of times my sisters advice and analysis has been spot on….. It is incredible but at the end of the day you most follow your own gut.

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Listen you manginas don’t even try to argue with roosh on this one.

All the examples you cite only further enforce the stereotype you’re attempting to refute!!

Professors?? Pop stars?? Corporate Managers and HR Cows???
Give me an effing break.
These women are the last people on earth responsible for their own success or their own ideas. You think professors or HR ladies actually have good advice because they are brilliant analysts and that is why they were hired for those jobs?!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!! You fucking white knighting tools.

Make-work PC jobs that fill affirmative action quotas DON’T COUNT. Management jobs at non-profits don’t count. Jobs that you get because you have nice tits DON’T COUNT. Jobs that involve regurgitating knowledge that was 100% discovered and written down by men DOESN’T COUNT.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrz5ucQACo8&feature=relmfu
Good information on here about cultural collapse

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Yeah, carrer advice from women,for example my female boss who got promoted to her position so the company can get close to its 50% female in leadership positions goal.

1. Go to work
2. Have a vagina
3.??????
4. Profit

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Take a look at everything in your room and surroundings. Chances are they were 100% built, designed, shipped, and thought into existence by man not woman. The computer you are typing responses on was built by man.

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My first boss in my line of work was a female partner, she was in mid 40’s, attractive for her age, very classy, and soft-spoken.

I got arrested 3 months into my job drinking and driving. She didn’t let me go, said she liked me as an employee, and wasn’t looking to use it against me. I fucked up so many times later on though, just working so many hours and going to DUI class, that she had to fire me eventually, and even then said, this wasn’t what I wanted for you.

I couldn’t use her as a reference, but I remembered alot of the mentoring she gave me in my field, because she had been in the business for over 20 years, and it turned out after i left the company that it was a top company in that respective field and everyone wanted to interview me. Neither she nor anyone at the company bad mouthed me afterwards, and I was able to get re-hired. Most women I have worked with are phenomenal at their job.

I am forever grateful for her mentoring, her wisdom, the fact that she gave me my first shot at a real job, and if I was getting married, I would for sure send her an invite, regardless of whether she came or not.

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and btw, I am a complete woman hater who doesn’t date much. But there’s social life, and there is the business world – this woman was very, very respected by the top people in the business. I know she probably made at least $300,000 a year, maybe more.

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Women are now leading men not only in bachelor’s degrees, but in graduate degrees in the USA — one current estimate for the Master’s female/male holders is 10.5 million / 10 million (sources below). They are starting more new businesses than men; they are moving slowly but steadily up the chain in more and more occupational and professional areas, whereas the male numbers are either stagnating or declining. These trends are projected to continue.

My point here is that you should all consider what the future is shaping up to be, especially if you are young. Your bosses will include more and more women. Your career advancement will increasingly depend on women. It will probably never be a good idea to ask women for advice on getting laid, but as for more and more other areas of life, career for example, female influence on one’s choices may become increasingly unavoidable.

In the not-too-distant future, if current trends continue, young men will have more successful FEMALE role models around them than males. Has it not always been wise to take advice from those who have proven themselves successful, and to avoid too much advice from the unsuccessful?

As a man, I must say I don’t really like the look of the female-dominated future. But the entire Western world is clearly headed that way.

Here’s a real shocker for you: We’ve all heard all our lives that men and women have different cognitive strengths and weaknesses — for example, men tend to have an edge on math ability, particularly at the extreme gifted end of the bell curve, whereas women tend overall to show slight superiority in verbal things. But some recent studies have shown that the math effect actually disappears in the most ‘gender-equal’ countries like Scandinavia and Iceland; in fact, Icelandic women now do BETTER than men in math. One study even shows that the math gap disappears even at the highest-ability level, amongst certain groups studied. Whereas there is NO country studied, even those where women are the most repressed and subjugated, wherein males outperform females in terms of verbal scores.

This probably means that certain social factors (e.g. such as those in scandinavia and Iceland) have a large influence on how one’s cognitive-genetic endowment expresses itself, to the extent that even something as solidly established as the traditionally persistent male-female math gap can be eliminated — or even REVERSED — if the social factors are strong enough. And this also is the way the US is headed:

Wherever female cognitive achievement lags behind that of males, you can bet that mainstream (i.e. feminist-influenced) society is working to transform itself into something sufficiently female-centric and female-supportive that females will close or eventually even reverse this gap. If it has been done in some countries already, it can be done in others.

It may well turn out to be the case in the near future that girls will be socialized and educated in such a way as to permit cognitive development which will, on average and even at the very high achievement end, permit them to outperform males in ALL cognitive aspects, even the ones which have always shown a male advantage. You can bet that the feminists and their helpers are working flat out to achieve this state of affairs; and such studies as I have cited suggest that the project is neurobiologically (and therefore socially) FEASIBLE.

Sources:
Women lead men in graduate degrees
http://www.startribune.com/nation/120750509.html

Male-female math achievement
Hyde and Mertz, 2009 —
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2689999/

Kane and Mertz, 2012 —
http://io9.com/5867401/there-really-is-no-difference-between-men-and-womens-math-abilities (contains a link to the full paper)

Female vs. male verbal scores — sorry can’t recall exactly but Dr. Robert Sapolsky mentions it somewhere in one of his lecture series on ‘Human Behavioral Biology’ — see Youtube. But it’s a well-known educational statistic.

3rd Millenium Men
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Alf said “The first poster is a dyke troll.”

You can go to my blog http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com and read over a hundred posts I’ve written. The only troll here is you.

“This is a bullseye post. Women are dumb animals. It’s just the way they are.”

Your misogyny is pathetic. Your utter hatred of women will continue to ensure you never get any.

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In response to 3rd Mil. Man and #15 joemomma who says- “So many women these days are so manly and are integrated into our society that you can and should selectively listen and learn to deduce the real meaning from what they say.”

You are both referring to the same thing. To quote Austin Powers- ‘That’s not your mum, that’s a MAN baby!’

You are referring to the women who have successfully learned to be men. They are also usually the ones pulling down 6 figure salaries and are hopelessly lonely and broken in their personal lives because they are sitting on piles of money, are uber high-achievers, and men that are their peers in this way care FUCK ALL about any of that. They are HIGHLY over-represented in places such as DC and they always have really great dating profiles about how “independent, successful, aggressive, busy, etc.” they are. Yeah, nobody cares sweet tits, enjoy your cats.

You two, are just too much a part of this liberal feminist juggneraut that you are missing the proverbial forest for their trees. Yes, you can take advice from these high achieving women, but they are not really women, are they? They are women apeing men in just the way that liberal feminisim has taught them to do. So take their advice with a big ass piece of rock salt. And furthermore, just fine the GUY in your company in the same bracket who can give you the pure message, not the watered down version.

37- OlioOx “As a man, I must say I don’t really like the look of the female-dominated future. But the entire Western world is clearly headed that way.”

Really? Yet you march in lockstep by telling us all to just accept the New World Order like a good little beta White Knight. Take that weak shit back to Jezebel please…

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“You two, are just too much a part of this liberal feminist juggneraut that you are missing the proverbial forest for their trees”

Dude, relax. You definitely read one sentence of mine and missed the overall point of my post (and even that one sentence you quoted).

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OlioOx,

Your plaintive feminine whimper that we should just swallow hard and accept the coming gynocracy is falling on deaf ears here. You are either a female sockpuppet or you have not ingested the red pill yet bro.

Men are going their own way, starting their own businesses, prospering independently precisely BECAUSE corporate america has been desouled and asscocked by the influx of female workers. Corporations have become focused on endless meetings, feelgood politics, decision by consensus, social activities, and gold-bricking. The red pill man sees that because of these and other factors, American corps will no longer be competitive in the world in the coming years. Jobs will not be safe. Pensions will not be sacred. You must do for yourself what these behemoths cannot be trusted to do.

One brick at a time, the entrepreneur tears down the centralized leviathan gynocracy fascist PC police state.

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I seldom listen to women about work. Many of them got there due to their good looks. I do ask them about dating and sex. I know to take what they say with a “grain of salt” and it’s only what their thinking, wishing, or want me to think.

Most men’s two favorite things to lie about are: getting laid and getting paid! Most men can’t seem to be real when it comes to these two areas of their lives either. My most recent blogpost is “American Men are in Denial”. So if you’ve found some good guy friends that are real. Congratulations! If you tell me all your guy friends are cool, then you’re in denial.

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OlioOx, no doubt feminists are limiting boys’ cognitive development and stifling economic innovation in order to give women the appearance of success, but how does it follow that men should hope to get helpful advice from female bosses? Obviously they will only be kneecapped further. In the system of leadership feminists invented, “Patriarchy,” they make clear that men can expect only ruthless abuse.

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The prey does not teach the hunter how better to catch it.
https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/female-dating-advice/

The main problem men will always encounter when petitioning women for advice on business or other affairs is that women’s advice will ALWAYS be steeped in what best serves social feminine primacy.

If you were looking for business advice from both a status equal man and woman, though they’d give you similar perspectives, the woman’s advice will ALWAYS be in the context of what she thinks will benefit the feminine imperative, because to a ‘successful’ woman accultrated in the past 60 years of feminization, what benefits women IS what benefits everyone.

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No Roosh: never ask a woman for fashion and style advice for men. Buy your socks and underwear and everything else you wear on your own. It’s not different from dating advice.

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What I am trying to do in such posts as #38 above, is to see and point out things (relevant to men) as they actually ARE in the world, and the directions things seem to be heading. Some of you seem to mistake that for APPROVAL of certain things and developments.

@Buggy — “Men are going their own way, starting their own businesses, prospering independently…”

As you know, the ‘mancession’ started a few years ago when it was noted that (in 2009) “10.5% of men in the labor force were unemployed, compared with 8% of women.” (Wikipedia, ‘Male unemployment’)

Have the men you mention started to make any measurable difference on the economic map? Do you have any data or sources?

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Wait… Seriously?

I can understand not taking relationship advice from a woman. But if a successful woman – say Hillary Clinton or Oprah(laugh all you want, but she came from nothing, to make it to the top) you’d say “Sorry I’d rather not take your advice, Roosh told me I shouldn’t take advice from a woman.”

C’mon people wake up and think for yourselves.

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One brick at a time, the entrepreneur tears down the centralized leviathan gynocracy fascist PC police state.

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naaa
thats the whole point of it to have the guys that can’t get jobs be the ones propping up the whole big coorporate busineses that do have the 50 percent qoutas for female managers and the 15 percent for anglos and the do nothing jobs

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if they can get the men to not be in the safe coorporate jobs they can have them running their own businesses and be able to make less than minimum wage