There’s No Punishment In Going For Sex

For some reason girls don’t punish a man who aggressively tries to get her into the sack—as long as she likes him. Let me share two examples:

1. I got a girl in bed the same night I met her, but encountered heavy resistance in the bedroom where I couldn’t take off her panties. I tried repeatedly, enough to where she threatened to leave, but kept trying anyway. She didn’t leave, and the morning after I tried again. Still nothing. We banged the next date.

2. I met a Brazilian girl at a dinner party. We kissed quickly (no surprise), and then I made her a strong drink which sent her to the edge of unconsciousness. I escorted her home, weaseled my way into her room, and tried to get things going on the bed. Unfortunately she was too drunk, so it felt like I was trying to reanimate a corpse, but I didn’t care because I wanted to get laid. She told me to get her number instead, I did, and we banged on the next date.

In these cases I basically came across as a borderline creep, but the girls still wanted to see me. Compare that to the beliefs I had as a young man, where I thought that you should never offend a girl by pushing too hard for sex. My real world experience says the opposite—that girls reward men who try to get them in bed. If a girl likes you, and then finds out you are sexually attracted to her, she becomes even more attracted to you. If a girl doesn’t like you, and finds out you are sexually attracted to her, she becomes less attracted to you. Therefore if there is mutal interest, attempting sex only makes her like you more. I don’t know why this is, but I know that I’m never punished for aggressively trying to sleep with a girl that I like.

Going after what you want is always the correct move.

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JT
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would you consider a shit test as a form of punishment?

God
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No

jigsaw
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so why you bann threads in your forum which contains ‘rape game’ ?

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Who can blame a guy for trying; at least she knows she is with a man instead of a mangina who is too afraid to try in case he might “offend” her. Its like getting mad at a cute kid who just really wants a cookie and wont stop going for the jar until he gets it.

Mucius Scaevola
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the line between creep and attractive mas is as thin as a sexual harrassment in the workplace suit.

usually i fall in the latter category, but when i fuck up some how and appear creepy, i think whoever said that a creep has too much situationalawareness is right.

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I’m a young woman who was raped. There was no borderline gray fuzzy maybe about it. It was broad daylight, there was no alcohol involved, and I was injured so severely I couldn’t stand up for 4 days, bled for 9 more, had to wear a scarf for weeks until the bruises on my throat healed, and had one eye swollen shut as well as a dislocated shoulder. THAT is rape. Roosh, you are not a rapist, borderline or otherwise, in my opinion. If a girl is raped, she damn well knows it. A man going for sex when he’s already in the girl’s bed is – hello! – a normal man, not a rapist. And the reason aggressiveness in pushing for sex is rewarded, I think, is because it makes the girl feel desirable, even if it’s just for one night.

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Bingo.

The great thing about being a man is that women inherently EXPECT us to try to sleep with them. You can’t really punish someone after having those kinds of expectations.

Just another reason why betas never get anywhere being a nice guy. Sexual persistence is basically a requirement now to get laid here in the states. The reward for going after you want is getting what you want.

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Men are competitive by nature that’s why women are so attracted to athletes. Part of getting a woman in bed involves a man competing against her defenses, so it makes sense that she’d reward you…

You’re a winner.

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Great post, i definitely felt like you did as a young guy, but getting better.

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I ended up dating a few chicks, and proceeded to make out with them. It didn’t go any farther than that due to bullshit logistics.

But since then, they’ve chased me. One of them chasing me hard to see me as soon as possible.

Even though I didn’t proceed into getting them to bed with me, I’ve made my mark on them and they want more. I suppose their anticipation of physical escalation is making them wet.

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This post is so true. If you’re already making out with a girl, ALWAYS go for the bang. Push through the resistance tank-like persistence. It feels a bit strange the first few times you do this (because of “nice guy” programming) but as Roosh says, you’ll be handsomely rewarded either that night or in the near future.

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You hit the nail all over the head on this one. Being too timid was a HUGE issue for me in my early years.

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Damn, where was this valuable advice 8 million years ago when I was in my teens?
Lack of good info and being taught to believe false notions led me to waste so much opportunity.
That history is hard to accept sometimes.
Guys who are young now (with this info easily available) are so damned lucky (but they will probably never realize just how lucky).
Anyway Thanks Roosh, I’ll keep reading your stuff.

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#5 is s really, really sad case – unless it’s a dude with some serious issues.

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Put another way, you will NOT be rewarded for not persisting in getting sex. Despite what feminists and your beta instincts tell you. Your job is to be sexually ready and available when she decides she wants sex. You do this by persisting until she’s a go.

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I got a very recent experience to the contrary. Up to the point that the girl stopped communicating with me.

It is true that she has a BF. So maybe when she came home, she had second thoughts about the whole thing and decided it was safer to flake me.

It is also possible that Central European Slavic cultures differ in this.

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I’d call that cave man game.

My lover did not want PDAs…

As her two best chums approached I grabbed her ass – one armed – and just elevated her clean off the pavement.

She was so embarrassed that she curled with her left arm and demanded to be taken to her bed – immediately.

As she stepped off it became immediately apparent that she was flowing so heavily that she couldn’t walk normally.

( Fulsomely aroused vulvas need splaying. Her gusher had her racing for privacy and conjugal relief. She was a real towel soaker.)

So the protests about PDA and above all grabbing her ass really were a ‘tell.’

Caveman demos of strength shoot straight to the hamster. Typically the babe is shocked at how arousing such antics are.

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Number 2 sounds creepy as hell/like attempted rape. No offense but if you have to get a girl blind drunk to the point where you think your trying to “reanimate a corpse,” you have NO GAME. That is some serious weak shit right there…

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Trim up your pencil mustache, and pop them peepers,
Put this in your speakers, you a certified creeper.

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Is it young women who get scared with sex? Teenage girls didn’t go for aggressive teenage guys at all in my high school. At least the submissive beta guys got to talk to them. It was 97% white, though.

It’s psychologically jarring to have to act, well, “black” (read: like a man) to have any relationship with women. What happens to them from age 18 to age 20 that turns them off to civilized etiquette and on to tribalism?

Why do people in Western culture act old first, and then grow younger? Everything is backwards.

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That is so true. I don’t know why, but it is. I’m a 21 year old girl and if a guy were to push for sex, I would be more likly to fuck. For me its because I’m shy and dominance and aggression turn me on.

Dustin Tash
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@20. From a woman almost 4 centuries your senior:

“I tell you on behalf of women: there is not one of us who does not prefer a little rough handling to too much consideration. Men lose through blundering more hearts than virtue saves. The more timidity a lover shows with us the more it concerns our pride to goad him on; the more respect he has for our resistance, the more respect we demand of him. We would willingly say to you men: “Ah in pity’s name do not suppose us to be so very virtuous, you are forcing us to have too much of it…””
-Ninon De Lenclos

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I fell into C&C game the other night, I wasn’t escalating physically because I wasn’t sure if she’d appreciate it, so I did the polite thing and didn’t. That makes no sense: escalating is a means of seeing if she’s interested, if she’s not, why am I wasting my time? If she’s interested, but unwilling, she’s not going to punish you for making the move.

Mucius Scaevola
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the only punishment in going for sex (provided your not looking for a pump n dump) is the fact that more low quality girls are giving it up right away. hot girls take more time. not really a “punishment” tho, more of a trade off.

http://glitteringopprobrium.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/can-you-tell-the-difference/

my thoughts on the issue…

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@9
Thats pretty much “getting the ball rolling”As I like to call it.”Building momentum” If you have a circle of girls you know that all know each other and you throw a dick in one of them,her friends will want you to.(girls talk)
Because its like Chris Rock said about men and women and Dating.
A dude sees his buddy with a pretty GF and he’ll say “Man,I want a GF just like that”
if a chick sees her GF with a Hot guy she’ll say “I’m gona do what it takes to steal HIM from her.”
It happend to me a few times in my past but one funny one years ago was with a pairs of sisters I knew.just because I was f*cking one sister the other wanted me even more,so eventually ended up f*cking her too(behind the others back,she was so persistent with the phone calls etc,and wanting to come over my house when her sister was gone ,then I got caught+ they got pissed and I justified it this way.I took full advantage of a girls primal instinct of Competitiveness for a “wanted” or “desired” guy.
I also took advantage of her competition sex she was giving me to win me over her sister.It was mind blowing.
I used to be really ballsy back then,I never gave a shit.
Some girls I knew thought It was a “LOW” move But My guys friend thought it was pimp, thats what it takes to get these girls to chase you,Being what alot of girls would call “LOW”pretty much.
Life is short.And dont listen to what women say about anything.

Willy Wonka
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Because girls fucking like that shit! It makes them feel wanted.

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You’re either the next Gunwitch or the next Yoran Van Der Sloot

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The last guy I was dating was aware I was sexually inexperienced, but was very persistent and manipulative. I had more or less decided that I wanted to have sex with him within the next couple of meetings and got condoms at the ready. Basically he got too pushy and never got any. He kept going when I’d asked him to stop and it wasn’t until I kicked up a fuss and jumped out of bed that I was taken seriously. Apparently wearing nice underwear, which I always do, is grounds upon which to be violated.

Most women like to be dominated sexually which is probably why a certain amount of aggression may see results.

My ex got me really drunk one night and when I protested to the removal of my underwear, decided to ‘work around them’ by shoving his fingers inside me and didn’t stop. After talking I decided it could have been a misunderstanding – the same thing happened a week later. It felt horrible to have my body violated like that and fairly disillusioning to have the trust similarly violated. I couldn’t even enjoy masturbation for a long time and ended up breaking down crying every time (not a usual weeper). Needless to say this one was kicked to the curb.

My advice to men: definitely be persistent, she says no – stop immediately, try again later. This equals sexual tension, where she anticipates another advance, but also shows that you have self-control and where the control (read dominance) factor is sexually appealing. By all means have a few drinks to get in the mood, but avoid essentially drugging her with alcohol to such a state that she doesn’t know what she’s doing/where she is/who you are… (you might as well take up necrophilia as Roosh describes – just invest in a nice big oven to warm it up first).

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“The last guy I was dating was aware I was sexually inexperienced, but was very persistent and manipulative. I had more or less decided that I wanted to have sex with him within the next couple of meetings and got condoms at the ready. Basically he got too pushy and never got any. He kept going when I’d asked him to stop and it wasn’t until I kicked up a fuss and jumped out of bed that I was taken seriously. Apparently wearing nice underwear, which I always do, is grounds upon which to be violated.”

What a fucking tease. Dumb cunt

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You’ll get in more trouble for not going for the touch, not going for the kiss, not going for sex than you will by going for it…plain & simple

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@ anonymous 25:

I’m obviously not a dumb cunt as I didn’t allow myself to be used when I realised that I was primarily wanted just for sex, which was apparent when he didn’t care about making me uncomfortable.

I was man-handled and I didn’t like it. I don’t go out dressed like a slut and my underwear isn’t ostentatious.

Excuse me for having some self-respect.

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A good rule of thumb I used to go by when I was 19 and thought casual sex for a female was acceptable – if you don’t want to have sex with him, don’t go home with him. Don’t act like you are going to have sex with him. No misunderstandings.