There’s Only One Way To Know If She’s Attracted To You

I’m sure you already know the answer to this, but before I remind you, allow me to tell you a story that refreshed even my memory.

In early summer I met with an American reader at a Moscow cafe. After two horrible espressos, I suggested we walk a block down to another venue where my palate would be better satisfied. We arrived at the new cafe and I scanned through the venue in search of a good seat. “I think there’s an upstairs,” I said. I went up and found a small room with only three tables. One of them however, was occupied by three young women. We decided to sit upstairs.

Before we could even put down our things, the girls invited us to play a board game that the cafe provided. My new friend was competent in Russian so he directed the conversation while I mostly observed the three girls, all around 20 years old.

Ksenia was the tallest. Her hair was dark and put back in a pony tail. She had a serious way of talking that gave weight to her words. Objectively, she was the least attractive of the three, but still quite bangable. She was the most interested in Western culture.

Sophia was a little chubby, but she was the most feminine and had the prettiest eyes. Her English level with the lowest and she was quite shy.

Marina was the prettiest. She had a high amount of energy and checked her phone more than anyone. In spite of that, she was friendly and polite.

We ended up playing a couple rounds of Jenga. I believe that Marina, who was noticeably bored by the second game, knocked down the tower on purpose so that we wouldn’t have to play anymore, but I have no evidence of this. My new friend had to meet with another group at a bar, so I suggested the three girls tag along. The problem is that once at the bar, he had to sit with his friends, leaving me alone with the three girls.

They didn’t feel comfortable speaking in English for more than a two-minute stretch of time, so I attempted to entertain all three in Russian. This was a difficult task. I did okay for 15 minutes but then ran out of gas and did a lot of television watching in between short sprints of conversation. Kesenia seemed to give me the most attention, but it was only by a slight margin. I used all my years of experience in that moment to decide that we were all on friendly terms and that not much would come of our meeting. I preferred Marina due to her beauty, but I would bang any of the girls.

The way to tell whether a girl is attracted to you is if she accepts your escalation move. If you’re in a club and she accepts your suggestion to move to a couch, there is some attraction. If you try to kiss her and she accepts, there is some attraction. If she accepts any move to take the interaction to the next level, you’re moving the intimacy forward and attraction is present. But in this natural experiment with the three girls, I couldn’t risk making a move on the wrong girl, meaning that I could not find out if any had a romantic interest in me. Or maybe I could?

I decided to just ask them.

I said, “I’m glad that we all met today. You three are very pretty and friendly to me, but I can’t pick one of you because the choice is hard. So… which one of you likes me the most?”

They looked at each other and giggled. They truthfully didn’t know, since there was no downtime for them to have a girl-only chat without me being able to hear. I came up with an idea.

“Okay how about this—I will give each of you a piece of a paper, and on that paper you write down how much you like me on a scale of 1 to 10. A 5 is friendship and a 10 is passionate love.” Excited that I have essentially become an Elimidate contestant, I waited for them to write down their answers on napkins.

I expected two 5’s and maybe a 6. Instead, here were the results:

Kesenia, a girl who had a boyfriend, wrote “7.5.”
Sophia, a girl who didn’t ask me a single question, wrote “7+.”
Marina, a girl who seemed to be more interested in her phone than me, wrote “7.5.”

All three girls gave written confirmation of their more-than-friendly interest in me when I, a veteran at the game, had absolutely no clue of it. They didn’t compliment me, ask me a lot of questions, or show any obvious signs of attraction. Without the ability to escalate, I was essentially walking blind, and the napkin results confirmed it. Only with my high school inspired suggestion was I clued in to how absolutely wrong I was and how foolhardy it is to attempt to guess a woman’s attraction for you.

In the end I went with Marina. Kesenia had a boyfriend and Sophia was a bit too shy for me, suggesting she may possibly be a virgin. At the end of our group time together I had a private moment with Marina where I suggested we meet again. She gave me her number and then so would begin the process where I was ready to run the right game in which continuous escalations are the most important part of.

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Well Roosh, I don’t know, it seems quite a childish thing to do, not to mention that the girls might have written a 7+ only to not appear unpolite. Would be interesting to know how the thing with Marina went on.

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It was a fun idea to play with them like that- Ill have to try it out.

Share with us the kind of game you do- specifics like stories you tell, phrases you use, etc.

Daniel
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I don’t tell stories and I don’t have any specific line. I guess everybody uses the game that best fits his personality, and in my case being a talkative and funny guy (what Roosh calls “a clown”)definetly doesn’t fit mine. I usually do basic talk keeping eye contact and soon go straight to business: taking her hand, kissing, ecc.
If you think to get laid thank to a particular story or joke, in my opinion you’re on the wrong path.
But still, if Roosh told me he got laid thank to that joke, I wouldn’t have problem to believe him.

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We have to remember, his Russian is limited.. Try touching/kissing a Russian girl, who you can’t communicate with, or have that basic talk, and see what happens. He was using a strategy, to escalate his game/desirability. Just sayin.

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“it seems quite a childish thing to do”

All’s fair in love, Sperg.

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I think Ill try bringing some Crayolas and a coloring book out with me-bitches are clowns so color away.

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You obviously don’t get what went down.

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I’m actually going to do exactly that.

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You have it backwards. The ballsiness and fun spirit he exhibited in asking that, probably increased his value.

I strongly suspect his initial impression of them as bored with him was in reality the correct one. However, the excitement fun and daring he brought with that question jumped him up from a ‘4’ to a 7+

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“She [Marina] gave me her number and then so would begin the process where I was ready to run the right game in which continuous escalations are the most important part of.”

Yes, yes, but what happened thereafter? Did you manage the notch?

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It doesn’t matter for you dick. Love the skill, love the culture, love the brotherhood.

Conrad Stonebanks
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Ok dick

Kai
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roosh you never really confirmed if you laid at least one girl in Russia. which leads me to the conclusion that you didnt…

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Roosh,
If you were to reccomended to your readers who have lower levels of game a place to hit up in Eastern Europe where where would that be?

ChimpGod
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I would say, it depends on certain factors.. What do you look like? Darker skin, lighter? Have you studied Russian at all? Polish?

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Man Im a fat guy, above average height, early 30s, kind of socially akward from years of rejection- so I guess I need a place that’s like batting practice in EE aka The Philipines or Thailand of EE…

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Socially awkward and fat? Sorry man, but unless you have a lot of wealth to show off or ur a celebrity you will have problems in gaming any good looking woman that is not a prostitute. Nothing personal, they just judge by what they see and hear in first minutes and being fat and awkward won’t excite any girl that get’s approached at least once a year. You can read Bang Ukraine or Bang Poland, Bang Lithuania to see that it is actually difficult and takes effort to get laid even for Roosh, who is like a pro entertainer with muscular physique. I suggest you to plan that trip let’s say in spring 2015 and until then take 6 months to work out regulary, go on strict diet with 0 sugar, no wheat and low fat and hone your social skills by reading, practising, getting to know as many new people as possible etc. If not you will get rejected many more times and this is not gonna improve your self esteem.

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Agreed.. You need to improve yourself first. Even if you are a little overweight, and maybe don’t have optimum game, there are other things you can do to push your game to the next level.. That would be: Learn Russian (or whatever country you are planning on going to)

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Your chances are higher in Ukraine, than America.. Unless you want to date fat women.. it’s all what you want.. Remember, even Roosh pointed out that you will see Troll looking mother fuckers, with beautiful women in Ukraine..

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Maybe, but these trolls usually have other Attributes going for them While Appearance aka Physical Sex Appeal helps, Charisa aka Social Sex Appeal plays an important part. Other factors to consider are the Persons resources and demographics. But I agree with the other comments
Andre you need to 1. work out, 2.experiment with fashion,
3. Practice talking with women. If you are nervous at doing this try making small talk with the cashier or ask a sales woman at the perfume counter about which colognes women like. these small steps will help build your confidence.
Learn the language you prefer in the mean time.
If you can develop decent game in the USA the then if you have some language skills then dating up is possible in A country like Ukraine.

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Gotta walk before you run look. Try american bars until you get some thick skin for social reasons. After all women are social animals.

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Nah, why bother with bars.

He should be running day game.

After all, why focus on developing a thick skin when he can just focus on having sex with good looking girls?

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The day game is difficult for shy people, Women in bars are usually more receptive to men talking to them but in the flip side lot of men are talking to them. Women enjoy attention and a man showing interest in feels good because this is not something that happens often even to beautiful women.
but to succeed you need good looks, charisma, and some luck. But I agree “The ultimate goal is develop your day game in the USA. If you can do it here you can do it anywhere…

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The day game is difficult for shy people, Women in bars are usually more receptive to men talking to them but in the flip side lot of men are talking to them. One plus of the Day Game is Women usually enjoy the attention which makes her feel good because this is not something that happens often even to beautiful women.
but to succeed you need good looks, charisma, and some luck. But I agree “The ultimate goal is develop your day game in the USA. If you can do it here you can do it anywhere

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Hmm… well… you’re right. I suggest bars because he has to get over being rejected flat out as opposed to day game where he’s not expected to approach because of the function of the area, like a bar, and has to face internal anxiety. Tbh i think day game is great for building social proofing and seeing the cat/dog for what it is, so maybe that’s really the better way to go.

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I was at a bar with a good friend of mine about 2 years ago. There were two women sitting at a table and both were beautiful. One was a 9.5 (I don’t believe in 10s) and could easily be a model (turns out she had been a Ford model since she was 15).

I sent over two drinks and on my way to the bathroom I came over to the table and introduced myself to them both, accepted their thanks for the drinks and only spoke to the stunning one. “Here’s my card. I would love to take you out. If you are interested shoot me a text. Enjoy the drinks and have a great evening.” I walked away.

My friend and I left the bar 30 minutes later and 5 minutes after I got a text telling me her availability for dinner that week. When we had dinner later that week she told me that if I had hedged to see which one of them liked me more she wouldn’t have been interested. The fact that I knew what I wanted and wasn’t too shy to ask for it was a huge turn on for her.

Life is too short. Always go for the one you like the most IMO. If you don’t you will only wonder what might have happened if you did.

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Glad it worked out for you but this is terrible game. Mistakes you made:

1. Bought them drinks without even speaking to them first. Huge no no. Normally this places you straight into the beta provider chump category.
2. Gave your card. This is simply lame. It’s not 1993. Who gives their card to a girl ? You also put the onus on her to contact you. Never do that. It is up to you to move the interaction forward.
3. 1st date dinner. Never do that. Again, beta provider chump category. Buying girls dinner is fine AFTER you have already banged them. Never before. Game 101. A simple drink at a bar you have picked out, perhaps a 2nd at another followed by a “nightcap” at yours is all you need and a LOT more effective.

This is all fairly basic and well understood game psychology. I suspect you are bringing something more to table that enables you to succeed despite your poor game. Looks, money, social status or some combination of the three. Nothing wrong with that but make no mistake about it, your actual understanding of female attraction and how to game effectively is pretty poor if you think what you did was good.

Just because you succeeded does not mean your game is tight. It simply
means you succeeded in spite of, not because of, your game. Big difference between the two.

Dawson Stone
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I love when people diagnose a situation there weren’t in.

Unlike most guys running game at a venue I wasn’t looking to get laid…I was looking to get laid by this particular woman. A guy with tight game knows when he is on the wrong side of the supply and demand curve and acts accordingly. Generally I would agree with you. I almost never buy a woman drinks and rarely go on a first date to dinner. But she was a 5′ 11″ Ford model and I wanted to close her…not just any woman.

If the best game players are getting an 11% close rate AFTER they get a number then when spotting a near 10 their odds are probably closer to 1%. I wanted my odds to be way better than that because this chick was stunning.

What I did worked because I brought the right weapon to the battle. I recognized my situation for exactly what it was and acted accordingly.

But thanks for the tips. smile

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Dawson, I’m not hating on you by any means.. If it works, it works. Your situation is probably different than the average reader here on the forums. Most guys here are probably average look, height, build. finances, etc.

Your story was great.. an inspiration to us average folk here? Not really.. but a good story, none the less. I appreciate your input though, as I’m sure most guys here do. Maybe they will use your strategy, and get pussy out of it? Quite possible.. I would never want to hinder someone by badmouthing your game.

I see Roosh as the voice of the modern American guy.. He’s here to build us up, and give us realistic expectations. He should post more pictures, yes.. Show us the girls he talks to, bangs, etc. We all want to feel that this is obtainable.. that we TOO, can go to Ukraine, and meet girls and bang them..

Well, let me be the first to say.. Ukraine/EE is going to be your best shot.. Most of us aren’t going to get a ford model here in America, but our chances of banging a chick that looks like one, goes up about 1000% in Ukraine. The average girls in Ukraine (4-5-6) are like our 6-7-8’s here. There are so many average girls there, that to them, most guys don’t even try and hit on them.. When us Americans go there, Jesus, it’s like a fucking buffet..

In short, I just want to give every man hope.. There is a place, where all this is possible.. where pussy flows like wine.. I have aptly named it, “Tangrila”.. or Ukraine, as we all know it.

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Dawson, I’m not hating on you by any means.. If it works, it works. Your situation is probably different than the average reader here on the forums. Most guys here are probably average look, height, build. finances, etc.

Your story was great.. an inspiration to us average folk here? Not really.. but a good story, none the less. I appreciate your input though, as I’m sure most guys here do. Maybe they will use your strategy, and get pussy out of it? Quite possible.. I would never want to hinder someone by badmouthing your game.

I see Roosh as the voice of the modern American guy.. He’s here to build us up, and give us realistic expectations. He should post more pictures, yes.. Show us the girls he talks to, bangs, etc. We all want to feel that this is obtainable.. that we TOO, can go to Ukraine, and meet girls and bang them..

Well, let me be the first to say.. Ukraine/EE is going to be your best shot.. Most of us aren’t going to get a ford model here in America, but our chances of banging a chick that looks like one, goes up about 1000% in Ukraine. The average girls in Ukraine (4-5-6) are like our 6-7-8’s here. There are so many average girls there, that to them, most guys don’t even try and hit on them.. When us Americans go there, Jesus, it’s like a fucking buffet..

In short, I just want to give every man hope.. There is a place, where all this is possible.. where pussy flows like wine.. I have aptly named it, “Tangrila”.. or Ukraine, as we all know it.

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My point wasn’t to be an inspiration but to make a specific point. Confidence wins the day with nearly all women. That plus people should go for what they want…not what they think they can get. Aim low and that’s exactly what you will get.

One of the other commenters made the point that Roosh asking for the women to rate him was a beta move and I agree. The language barrier aside. It is basically asking a woman for validation and that almost never works out well.

But to your other point. Unless someone is going to move to the Ukraine (really bad idea right about now) or get a mail order bride (even worse idea) Tangrila or not is somewhat irrelevant. We live here in America and have to deal with the realities of women here. And if guys would take their heads out of their asses it really isn’t that bad/difficult.

Yeah, I agree if a guy doesn’t have shit going for him it is gonna suck but life for that guy is gonna suck anyway no matter where he lives. Here, if a guy is even decent looking, gets in great shape, develops himself emotionally and intellectually he can do amazing with women. And it isn’t about game. It is about being someone worth being with. MOST guys can do it.

I don’t see how Tangrila is gonna help anyone.

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When did I save move to Ukraine? I’m talking about making your money here, and going there and enjoying it i.e. vacation. You probably know nothing about Ukraine, therefore I won’t even bother talking about it.. You don’t even have a clue, therefore the most basic things about Ukraine will go right over your head. Stick to your cock fest American bars.. Good luck with that.

Dawson Stone
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I almost never go to bars to meet women. So you are saying guys should save up their money and go to the Ukraine for two weeks or so and fuck a bunch of women? What the fuck are they supposed to do for the rest of the year? Stock up on hand lotion?

And I have read his books. Have you? DayBang? NightBang? Not USA based huh?

And ironically the Ford model was Ukrainian. smile

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Yes, they should.. I don’t know everyone’s financial situations.. maybe some guys can afford to go when they want? Maybe they can take off 6 months a year? You know, it’s possible.. I work full time and can take off 3-4 months a year easily.. It’s not that expensive, granted, you wouldn’t know about that apparently. Go and fuck a bunch of HOT women, yes. Maybe you need to beat off the rest of the year.. don’t assume they need to. Day game, and night game can be applied to any country.

I like how this girl keeps getting better and better.. Now she is Ukrainian? I bet she let you bareback her too, yeah? Maybe she brought over her Ukrainian twin, and they both fucked you?

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lol. I have changed ZERO about this chick from the start. I was simply ADDING that she happened to be originally from the Ukraine as a point of irony.

YOU made the point that Roosh only talks about fucking chicks in other countries in his books. Not true. I was simply pointing that out. Backpedal much?

So let me see if I have your strategy right (as you mock mine). Guys should somehow find a job/career that allows them to take several months (up to 6) off per year and travel abroad so that they can fuck hot non-American women and then masturbate for the remainder of the year. Do I have that right? Is that your happiness maximization strategy?

Jesus are you fucking kidding me? Or how about this? Fuck hot, young, fun, easy to deal with women here in the US with an average CPO of $35 without having to get on a fucking airplane. Gee, which seems to make more sense?

But wait, let’s be analytical and do the CPO analysis of your approach. Plane ticket, $1,000. Food and housing for 6 months, $6,000 (super low number), lost income for 6 months with annual salary of $60,000 (let’s call it 45,000 after taxes).

Now let’s say guy fucks 3 women a week over 26 weeks. 2 orgasms per chick. That’s 156…I will round UP to 200. ($22,500+6,000+1,000) = $29,500 / 200 = $147.50 per O or over 400% higher than my CPO. Oh and you can’t spend time with your family and friends for those six months a year but I won’t assign a value to that.

Sounds like a great fucking plan. Thanks for sharing.

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Just stop.. you don’t know what you are talking about.. What fucking country are you planning to stay in, Switzerland? Where does this “Low” number of 6k come in? You can rent long term in Ukraine for 100-300 dollars a month. Food isn’t that much if you cook at home, and aren’t eating out at nice restaurants every night.

Look, you obviously don’t care about going overseas and fucking chicks.. Great.. stick to American girls, by all means.. Sounds like they make you perfectly happy.

I never said he only talks about fucking chicks overseas.. but how many books does he write about fucking chicks in other countries? 11 books, focused on other countries.

If you want to start applying mathematical equations to getting your fuck on, by all means, go ahead and do that. Like I said, stay in the states, and bang Ford models, or Maxim cover girls, or whoever it is this time.

Dawson Stone
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What specifically don’t I know what I am talking about? Please enlighten me. Pick up a fucking mirror if you want to talk to someone that clearly hasn’t a fucking clue about what he is talking about.

It isn’t that I don’t care about going overseas and fucking chicks. When I go overseas (because I want to see those countries) I will be sure to fuck chicks. When I went to Cartagena Colombia I fucked my brains out. Traveling 1/2 way around the world to get laid because I don’t have the skills to do it here is a retarded strategy.

OK let’s redo the math with your poverty numbers:

($22,500+1,500+1,000) = $25,000 / 200 = $125 per O or over 350% higher than my CPO. Much better. Education much?

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You obviously know nothing about Ukraine, or EE, or you would have a clue about prices.. That’s what I’m talking about.

Do you think guys want to go to Ukraine, because the culture and sightseeing? No.. Would Roosh write “Bang Ukraine”, if the girls weren’t top tier? News flash, most guys are here, to learn about going overseas to bang chicks. Wake the fuck up.. why do people buy his books? People aren’t interested in sightseeing on this forum, or else they probably wouldn’t be here.. Great, go see some sights, as a secondary agenda.

Banging chicks in the USA isn’t hard.. why do you assume guys aren’t fucking girls here? Go to POF, OkCupid, Tinder, etc. You can easily pick up girls on there to bang. You aren’t going to find any place here in America, that has the amount of hot girls Ukraine or EE has however..

Why do you keep factoring in lost income? That’s retarded.. you are assuming once again, that they aren’t working? A lot of people work from home these days.. they do their work, on a laptop. Stop trying to add in these bullshit numbers..

Passport: $140?
Plane Ticket: $1200
Housing for 6 months long term: $1200
Food for 6 months: $200 x 6 months = $1200 (eating good from the grocery store)
Travel/Bars/Nightlife: $2000+?

Total: $5740? divided by 6 months = $956 per month.

There are plenty of people who will backup my claims.. it really depends on how much you want to go out.. but those numbers are pretty close. Education much? Try actually going there first, and then running some numbers.. firsthand experience, is better than the shit you read online.

Dawson Stone
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You forgot lost income while you travel for 1/2 the year because there are SO MANY jobs where you can take 1/2 a year off and travel. Idiot.

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So take a month off? two months? There are actually quite a few jobs.. No one has to take a set amount of time off. I would recommend 3 weeks to a month though. You have to resort to calling me names haha.. Don’t be mad bro.. It will all be okay.

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I don’t know why you discourage people from going overseas.. Sounds kind of fucked up. You give all these false numbers.. If guys don’t want to go overseas, great.. don’t go. However, I simply state facts, and encourage guys to not believe it is something untouchable, some far away land, where they don’t belong. I know people have reservations about going overseas, especially to Ukraine, due to issues in the East. I’ll keep on being positive, and giving helpful information, and any knowledge I can. I’m not trying to bogart Ukraine, or anywhere else for that matter.. Don’t hate.. appreciate.

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Dawson, I was In the Military and retired at 40 drawing a decent pension so yes some people can travel abroad for 6 months. I am just giving you an example….

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CG-you need a blog. Great post.

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Thanks man.. I have some ideas in the works.. however, due to work and planning travel back to Ukraine, it’s hard to find time.

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He must like strong career women, cupcake divas, I-Phone Tinder egomaniacs, and women studies “intellectuals”.

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Haha that’s what I’m saying.. He boasts about how we should stay state side, and I quote, “Or how about this? Fuck hot, young, fun, easy to deal with women here in the US”.. Maybe we can meet up with them at Starbucks, while they are on their break from their shitty NPO “career”.. so we can watch them stuff their fat face with those delicious pastries, and slurp down a 32 oz mocha frappuccino.

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Hmm, I actually agree with you here D, unless your going their to date up and possibly marry, It would be cheaper to hire a hot hooker every 2 weeks, I personally would not go to Ukraine just to deceive then bang local women but to meet my future wife…But I still think you got lucky wink

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By the way, men don’t want to do AMAZING with sloppy American women.. Have you not ready any of Roosh’s books? It’s not “Bang USA”, that people are buying.

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Are you independently wealthy or a Professional (100k+ income)?

What about your age looks etc?

I think all of those make a cumatige affect on how women respond especially in a materialistic system like Americanstan.

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I’m 5′ 8″, above average looks, nearly 50, professional.

The point I’m making is that unless you have nothing going for you confidence by becoming a high value man here in the US is a far superior strategy then sex trafficking yourself to EE a few weeks a year to get laid and then spend the rest of you year jerking off. And before I get all the trolls telling me how you “shouldn’t become what a woman wants you to become” recognize that you should become a high value man for YOURSELF and the side effect will be getting woman.

You can’t be dirt broke and consistently get chicks but if you are dirt broke your life is gonna suck anyway so getting laid is the least of your problems.

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If you are some sloppy, lazy, out of shape, socially retarded guy, yes.. you are right.. I wouldn’t recommend traveling ALL THE WAY to Ukraine, to bang chicks.. You are most likely not going to have any success. However, most of the guys on this forum have some experience with life, and probably have confidence to some varying degree.. No matter where you go, a girl is going to want you to be physically fit, of course. You should constantly try to improve yourself, in one way or another.

That being said, the point I’m making, is that take that same guy, and put him in EE vs. USA, and he will have a better chance at pulling hotter pussy in EE. If you don’t like the Slavic look/Russian look, well of course.. EE is probably not going to be your bag of tricks. Even Roosh said that in Ukraine, you will see, “Troglodyte, troll looking mother fuckers, with beautiful women.” Due to the shortage of men, and especially decent men, your odds are increased exponentially of meeting a girl, because they want a genuinely good guy. My expertise lies within traveling to EE/Ukraine.. I don’t go out to American clubs, bars, etc. anymore.. Most of my game is in Russian these days when I travel.

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Hmmm, I The poor Russian, Ukraine, and Eastern European woman wanting to come to the USA is played out. If your attracted to lean white women then yes then RUUKEE Women are going to look better but for how long Ukraine is becoming more and more wealthy and western, Russian has a higher GDP then Brazil. I read stories of men searching there for brides time and time again and go home empty handed. Also the secret is out and men from around the world visit these countries looking for sex or brides.
Central and South American are better options for USA men. The countries are often poorer, women like and respect USA men, much cheaper to visit, also Spanish and Portuguese are a lot easier then Russian too wink Just my 2 cents….
Ukraine male / female ratio:
http://www.indexmundi.com/ukraine/demographics_profile.html

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I say do both (improve yourself as a man and travel for game as time permits).

Are you in a cool part of the US for game like LA, Vegas, Austin, NYC, any good college town (Tempe, Chico, Etc), Chicago, Charleston, SC, etc. ???

If a guys in Vegas and crying he’s pretty loco but if he lives in some crap town in Ohio then I see the real issue here. Like CHimp god is in California where there are plenty of nice looking women.

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Just because I live in California, doesn’t mean I’m close to good looking women.. You do realize how big California is, right? Or that it’s not all beaches, and parties.. The whole central valley, from past Fresno, all the way down past Bakersfield, is a shit hole. The women are all ghetto ass Cholas with 5 kids each.. Or they are white trash meth addicts. Most of Northern California, is pretty empty.. I have friends who work up North.. and they say the same thing.. There are literally, NO women. I’m 3 hours from L.A., and 5 hours from San Fran/Sacramento.. It’s not exactly a drive down the street.

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Nope, Cali is one of the Worse places to be a single man.
You will probably score more hot women in Cincinnati then LA… Pretty much the whole West Coast Sucks

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Ill take a Bang Bros or Brazzers build over a Ford Models or Vogue build any day.

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No, what you did worked because you happen to have crossed paths with a woman who was open to that particular approach (if you can call it that) at that particular time, with a guy who looked something like you. Whether you knew that or not is irrelevant.

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No, If your story is true: You took a shot in the dark and got lucky and based on your comments I guess you do believe in 10’s after all.

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Game isn’t a physics experiment or math problem where you combine the right molecules or add the correct equation (Don’t Buy Drinks + Don’t Give out Card + Don’t Go to Dinner = Get Laid).

In general your three rules are good advice, but they are only rules of thumb which can be broken at will. Part of being good with women is becoming confident and flexible according to the situation.

Newbies tend to overthink, worry, and get anxious about minor details (am I standing at the correct angle? did I use a killer opener?), then wonder why they aren’t getting laid despite following all the correct rules.

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I partially agree with what you’re saying – certain “rules” can be broken when the situation is appropriate. Good game isn’t some rote learned, always linear program you run. There are however some “rules” that pretty much shouldn’t be broken. I don’t see any situation that would merit sending two girls you haven’t spoken to a drink, putting the onus on her to contact you and then choosing dinner as a first date.

There’s simply no situation I can think of where an alternative choice wouldn’t be superior to all of the above.

It seems like a cut and dry, post-success confirmation bias. Awesome that it worked out but as I said, I suspect his value was comparatively high enough that it worked despite the objectively bad game.

Some situations you need to be there to get a feel for the vibe and what is or isn’t appropriate. This isn’t one of them.

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Have you ever tried hitting on a Ford Model, with her friend, I’m assuming at a high end bar?

I will play devil’s advocate.

Asking two girls if they want you to buy them a drink is lame. Sending two women across the bar drinks is bold and direct.

High value women, especially those from more traditional cultures, are very concerned with appearances and discretion. By giving the woman the business card quickly and then leaving, Dawson was discreet. The model could save face by politely accepting the business card, and throwing it away later if she was not interested.

Some high value women and some women from other cultures do not want a man to indirectly ask if they want to “just get drinks” or “hang out sometime.” By inviting the girl to dinner, Dawson showed he is no nonsense.

High value women are used to men who hide their intentions, become orbiters, and then making awkward pickup attempts. Dawson doesn’t attempt this sleazy behavior. He indicates his interest, and she can take it or leave it.

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Your argument devolved into a complete strawman.
I never advocated him hiding his intentions or asking if she wanted to “hang out sometime” or be otherwise lame and indecisive.

Not much more to add to the discussion though. To me it’s still clearly bad game, in spite of any success he may have had.

Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree wink

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By the way, in Ukraine dudes would always send bottles of Champagne to girls tables.. It seemed to always work.. You wouldn’t think it would, but I saw 8 girls who were hot as fuck, leave with these fat, older Russian guys, because they had cars, and probably some cash (to buy more alcohol).

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“To me it’s still clearly bad game, in spite of any success he may have had.”

This pedantic mindset is bad if you want to meet women or have any kind of social success. It’s hard to imagine anybody who is good with women or popular in their social circle in general fretting over rules, or what is good game or bad game.

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His strategy can work.. Maybe all he does is fancy bars, where rich people hang out.. That shit won’t work though, when you are an average guy. All she see’s is, A) The way you dress B) You aren’t a complete cheap skate, because you bought drinks C) What you look like.. She goes off of those, and decides. If you are an average balding dude, you can’t do that shit.. It’s going to be your personality/game, that will put you over the top.

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You have it exactly right. Zero chance asking them to join me and my friend would have worked. Besides I was there to have dinner with my friend and not to get laid.

By being cool and nonchalant (I made it clear I was interested but I was outcome independent) she was interested.

You might think you can treat a near 10 like any other chick but a chick making mid six figures as a model and who can stop traffic isn’t going to be interested in just any guy. If you can’t DHV you have zero chance.

What I did was a low probability move (probably 15-25% at best) but way the fuck better than your normal PUA trying to run game. The $20 for the two drinks was a totally reasonable price to pay for a shot at a Ford model and I had an 18 year old 8 waiting for me at home for after dinner sex.

And I don’t get why you guys are hung up on giving a chick a business card. I run my own company and it has my cell number. Subtle DHV, quick and easy. Plus she can look me up on LinkedIn or whatever and see my background so I can further DHV and not have to say a word.

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A lot of guys who comment online are bitter about women (vapid bitches are all the same!) because they are using tips they found on game sites which are actually chasing away high-value, modest, or chaste women. A lot of game tips work on vapid sluts with low self-esteem, so keyboard warriors will think all girls are vapid sluts.

For example a lot of Roosh’s tips are designed to get notches and filter out girls who won’t put out fast, which is fine if all you are going for is quick notches.

In a toxic environment like NYC or DC, good girls are a minority and you will actually have to develop screening techniques to find them. The advantage of making a move like you did in the bar is if she was lazy, a vapid attention whore, or even a good girl that wasn’t that into you, you would not have to waste any time dealing with her.

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…That’s one way to look at it, Ricky…

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The point I tried to make, but ol’ Rick Vaughn doesn’t get that. He said he is 5’8″? And I bet she is what, 6 foot at least? That just stacked the odds even further against him.. Therefore, as you stated perfectly, his win was the result of other factors, besides his game.. He said he owns his own company.. Probably has money? Probably has a nice whip?

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His “win” was because he came across a girl who wanted someone to spend money on her, and he showed her that he was willing to spend money on her. That’s a perfect fit. There are plenty of men and women in all countries whose sense of value is based solely on money—who has it, and who is willing to spend it. There’s no skill or game involved. And for most of the men in this circle, getting a purty woman to pay attention to them is the end game. It proves to them that their focus on money has been well-worth it.

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A certain type of woman, more and more of them every day, like getting stuff for free. They think that that’s what the guy should offer. So if you’re willing to throw down money, there’s a certain population of woman who think that that’s good enough–because really, that’s all they want. So use what you got. (Personally, I think that’s being a sucker.)

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It is costly to be sure, but if the guy has money to burn and his time is more important, it is a great strategy so long as he says no with the purse strings. Chicks want a man who has money, for sex if he keeps it but for depreciation paracitism if he gives it up. He just had to be the king of his money and maybe do the same exact thing on the date. making sure the new chick was a credibly rival beauty. I sure would if I were wealthy enough. Chicks falsely give sex on credit if they can. Why can’t a man falsely give +1 girl and potential commitment status on credit? If done with don’t give a fuck, I think its great as long as he looks women in they eye and says no to set the hook.

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You should register on here.. Your comment is great. You NEVER want to buy girls drinks, unless you invite them to your table, and they drink what you are having (bottle service in Ukraine = cheap). The card thing.. 1993 for sure.. maybe he has a pager too? Jesus.. All this shit might have worked for him.. but you know why? He’s probably 6’2″, great looking, full set of hair, and has a lot of money. He could have farted in her face, and probably still pulled some ass.. because girls are shallow pieces of shit.

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Truth.

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I am 5′ 8″

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“He’s probably 6’2″, great looking, full set of hair, and has a lot of money.”

Terrible limiting mindset to have. He could have had none of these things and pulled it off. Height, looks and money are no doubt important, but so are other things like confidence, power (a combination of social status and savviness which is not dependent on wealth), and style.

“He could have farted in her face, and probably still pulled some ass.. because girls are shallow pieces of shit.”

Once again, terrible limiting mindset that can only result in a self-fulfilling prophecy – you will only meet shallow pieces of shit with that mindset.

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Yes.. you are right. I have a limiting mindset.. because shit like this is such a rare occurrence. I’m trying to keep things realistic.. if guys believe they can obtain a “Ford model”, by all means, go for it. Height, looks, and money are not important? They sure help, that’s for sure. She’s going off her first impressions.. how is she going to know his social status? Are we assuming he was chummy with bartenders, businessmen there, and other “influential” people? We could make up this scenario, for hours. Of course, you can dress nice, and be confident.. I’m not saying those aren’t important factors.

Self-fulfilling prophecy? It’s fact Bud. Saying you will only meet fat chicks? Is that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Or maybe 50%+ of all American women are obese/fat, therefore your odds, are 1 in 2.. I’m just being a realist.. Sorry for pissing in your cornflakes, or shitting in the punchbowl,, whichever you prefer. I like to be a realist, and give people a real sense of things.. not sugar coat and bullshit. That is why I respect Roosh, because he tells the truth. He doesn’t embellish and talk about how much pussy he gets, and how many girls were aching for his wiener.. there are plenty of guys on here, to do that for him.

I was being a smart ass with the farting in her face comment.. The fact is though, if some dudes rolls up to a random bar, looks like Ryan Gosling, driving a brand new Ferrari, and has millions of dollars.. you don’t think his game can be shit? He could be an asshole, and treat her like shit (which girls do like) and she will still probably beg to go home with him.. However, if a 5’8″ guy, balding, with a gut, no money, and a beat up car, tries to do the same thing.. what do you think will happen?

Anything is possible.. you are right.. Just like tomorrow, maybe Irina Shayk, or Kate Upton will knock on my door, and let me bareback anal them.. Sure.. It IS possible.. but lets be realistic?

I go to Ukraine, and I meet chicks.. That is fact, I have photos.. I studied Russian, and busted my ass doing it, and now speak at an intermediate/decent level.. That is fact, I can prove it. I don’t say I fuck tons of chicks in Ukraine, or they are begging to ride my dick because I’m American.. I will be realistic with it all. I don’t profess to be some bad ass dude, who is in great shape, etc. I have my flaws.. I go with my brother, who is better looking than me, and in better shape by far.. He pulls way more pussy then me, and he barely has to work for it.. The advantage I have over him, is that I speak Russian, and I know the culture.

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you can be a realist and still not write comments that are dripping with envy of tall wealthy men or anger directed at shallow bitches

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And who gives a shit if I’m envious? You can’t tell me that everyone here, isn’t envious of someone.. I stated that the reason his strategy worked, is probably/more likely than not, he is tall, rich, and has nice hair.. those are things women like.. I’m just going off percentages/numbers.

Should I be happy that there are greedy, shallow bitches? It doesn’t matter if I’m angry or not.. it’s what you do with that anger, and whether you use it towards something productive, like bettering yourself.. using the anger in the gym, etc.

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Great-looking probably has little to do with it (although it never hurts). She knows a sucker willing to part with his money when she sees it. (Sorry, I shouldn’t say “sucker”. You use what you got, right?)

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Roosh one thing I don’t understand is why you went to a Turkish resort for holiday, and then complained so much about the sausage fest and the girls not being easy.

I mean, like you didn’t know what you would encounter. I know I know, you were in EE and there was a lack of girls due to the Summer, but is that really worse than going to a resort full of horny and annoying Meditarranean guys plus chicks that look at men like at scum?

Yes, you heard those stories about the Russian girls who go to Turkey in Summer and get horny. Ok. But it’s just that, stories, it’s the same shit they say about Ibiza, Ios, and etc..

The truth is this simple: There is no good place for Summer in Europe at all. If anything, I would try Dublin or Berlin, places that have cheap flights to and attract big city Eastern girls in Summer for a visit and hanging out. But the problem is that they attract even more guys.

In terms of getting laid, how paradoxically it might sound, Summer is the worst period, the reasons are demographic, and the solution is trying another continent, though it won’t be me who will go to Asia to burn myself in a 40º tropical temperature.

In Summer it’s better to have a girlfriend and to go to cool places with her.

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He should’ve went to Ko Phi Phi where the Slavs go for holiday in Thailand.

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Great comment Blue Tropic.. I’ll follow you on here. However, EE is not bad in the summer. I was in Ukraine in June, and there was tons of pussy everywhere. Every club/cafe/bar was always more women than men.. by far. Poland was a cock fest.. but that was due to all the damn European guys there for “study”, and the countless number of “Stag Parties”.. Ukraine is good from late April until October.. Any other time, and it’s just going to be too damn cold for my taste.

Find a chill ass girl there, and go to cool places with her.. Sometimes it’s better to have a guaranteed piece of tang, even if it makes you look like a beta.. Because in the end, I want to go do cool shit, and I want someone to do it with.. they don’t have money.. therefore? You are going to be paying.

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Good stuff CG

Lets talk game hustlin numbers-
How many approaches did you do in UA? How many closes?

Whats a players averages in California too?

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I talked to quite a few women.. My brother and I, worked in a pair.. I usually helped him translate, and score pussy.. when he wins, I win. I have a long way to go on my approaches. I ended up meeting a 19 year old, and was banging her most of my time there. I also met a girl through a friend, and was banging her. I should have spent more time on approaches, but the pussy was guaranteed, and it was so young and innocent. I fractured my arm my last 10 days I was there, and that put me out of commission basically.. It fucking sucked.

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What citites were yours in focus in UKraine? Which one had the best talent-it seems like everyone says Kiev but idk?

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This last trip, I was in Krakow, Poland, and Lviv, Ukraine. I did a stint in Truskavets, Ukraine; which is known for its resorts, healing waters bullshit.. The water smells like jet fuel, and tastes even worse.. There were hot girls, even in that shit hole town. Poland is probably not a good option.. Unless you look Spanish, or are darker? I really don’t know.. I didn’t spend more than a few days there.. Ukraine? Lviv was great.. tons of women, lots of clubs.. It is definitely becoming a little too Western, but it’s still not too bad. I think Crimea was the best, however, it’s now Russia.. Beyond those cities, and Crimea, I really don’t have a lot of firsthand experience.. granted, every city will have beautiful women.

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Thanks for appreciation.

I think the main problem is the “lets go to the beach on summer for girls” plan is outdated. I dont know if it ever worked before, but now all you find is packs of 7 horny dudes together who get drunk and do barely anything else than destroy the environment with their attitude.

Unlike girls who go on packs of 2 or 3, dudes go in packs of 7, and because of their attitude they make it seem that they are even more. Its the kind of dudes that don’t have a shit chance to meet girls in their shitty feministic countries the rest of the year so they go like a group of hunters thinking that summer is the time.

You find this shit in any nice summer place, and yet people continue going and continue lying about how great it was in Ibiza.

I think that staying in the shittiest of the shitty cities of Europe is still better than going to the beach in summer for girls. At least you can go out and drink in peace and the annoying dudes won’t be there to ruin it.

I was in Summer in Warsaw and it was shit but I guess I should try Ukraine next time

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Blue Tropic,

I completely agree.. I have been to Mexico multiple times.. And let me tell you.. This last time I went to Cancun (It was my first and last time), I vowed to never return. It was a fucking sausage fest. Every guy from Canada and England had apparently got the memo to go on vacation the same time as me. Biggest cock fest known to man, so I thought. My brother returned to the same resort like 3 weeks later for spring break.. The guy at the airport selling booze or something, had mentioned to us not to go to Cancun during spring break.. He said it would be a cock fest.. I was like, “Bullshit..” Anyhow, my brother returned with like 3 or 4 of his friends.. There was a pack of them, and they showed up to the mother of all cock fests.. He said it was 20 guys for every 1 girl. That being said.. Mexico is shit, and I don’t advise going.. I live at the beach here, and there are a lot of beautiful women.. However, the majority of them are 18.. maybe.

Warsaw was that bad? Krakow was lame as fuck too man.. Non-stop solicitation for strip clubs, or groups of Spanish dudes and British stag parties everywhere.. It was so disappointing.. I’m wondering if there is a better area in Poland, or is it a lost cause?

Ukraine is the last stronghold in my opinion.. I really don’t know where else would be decent.. maybe Belarus? Moldova? You would need a visa, but shit, if that’s what it takes to avoid large groups of sex tourists, count me in.

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I think Poland is still good because it still produces good and feminine girls, despite the cockfests. Just avoid going on Summer. All the shit congregates there in Summer. And also better avoid the typical cities where all the guys go, like Krakow, Wroclaw, Warsaw, etc… Go for unknown cities like Bydgoscz, Bialystok, etc…

They have a more closed culture but less Western cock, so they give better fruits when you build some social contacts there. Still, it is worse than before and it keeps getting worse… It’s alarming how fast is getting worse, almost depressing. T

It all comes down to this, as places get more and more ruined by guys and girls become more difficult to random men, we will all need to build social circles in order to get laid anywhere, even in the best countries for pussy, and obviously avoid as hell the Summer spots.

If not, you can always go to Asia where they still love white guys and bang you instantly, but if you prefer white girls…

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Yeah.. things are definitely changing.. Even Roosh has seen things change before his eyes, especially regarding Poland.. I like white girls, but shit, I might have to dabble in the Asian.. One great thing about Thailand and Philippines, is the weather, when compared to Ukraine (I hate the cold). On top of that, massages will actually be reasonable.. Not like Ukraine, where you pay 25-30 dollars for an hour massage, which is fucking nuts. Asia definitely has its perks.. I just haven’t jumped on that idea train yet.

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I once did a similar thing. I asked a group of girls to write F if they see me as a friend and M if they see me more than a friend. None of the 7-8 girls wrote M. One girl even drew a middle finger. I just moved on.

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What a beta chump. After all these years that is how you act around women? Wtf Roosh? You are better than that. Even when I was in high school I knew better than to ask a girl what she thought of me. A man knows what he is worth and acts from this inner certainty, the drive of testosterone. You made yourself into a unserious man with them and put the interaction on their terms.

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Words are NOT the language of women. He was not asking for validation. He was asking for penetration. Game taught me that the myth I reasoned, that women had to be tricked into sex, was actually a myth. At some point you have got to be candid about sex to get sex. He created a bidding war. I doubt the scores were that high before he created the contest. I can see how it could look like validation. When you lack language skills, you got to simplify to what you can say and hope for the best.

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He was limited, due to his knowledge of Russian.. or lack thereof. He created something interesting, and friendly, and I imagined the girls enjoyed it. Being creative with women, will definitely score points. And so what If they all thought he was a beta chump, and told him to fuck off? There are a million more girls over there, ready for the boning. If this was America, he would have one shot, and 50 other guys would be reading to swoop on some fatty pig.

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Why are so many guys in America such supplicators to all these mediocore or even unattractive women?

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It’s a ratio thing.. pure and simple, numbers. On top of that, most of the women are ugly here in USA, therefore, the average is pumped up.. artificially inflated.

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But in the end, it was the desired result. Had he not made this move in this particular situation, he might not have got a single number. It’s not like you use this only one move every time… Chicks like notes & fun little games like those. It keeps things exciting even for yourself. Often times you shouldn’t be so serious….

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No it wasn’t. Desired result would have been to isolate the hotter one, take her somewhere else, escalate, maybe get the bang, maybe save it for the following day. Getting numbers is for little kids. I guarantee you Roosh got nowhere with that hotter one. Within a few minutes of meeting you, your appearance and body language already determine if a woman wants you. You might be able to turn things around if you have borderline appearance but a masculine personality and are interesting. Doing stuff like being needy and playing kiddie games is a great way to pour liquid nitrogen on pussy. If she ended up even meeting with him again, instead of making excuses which is most likely, she probably did so because she was completely bored and had nothing better to do. Unlikely, unless Roosh’s idea of “hotter” is what I call a 5. Who knows, he never posts pictures.

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That liquid nitrogen line had me dying.. 2 points, great shit. I see your point.. I suppose we all use different angles.. which one works best? Who fucking knows.. I guess it’s all the same in the end.. as long as you get the prize, right?

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I’ve actually hooked up using Rock, Paper, Scissor. But damn if I’m gonna pull that out more than once every two years…

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It’s what’s called a Hail Mary. He had nothing to lose, and you know what? Turns out there was a bail waiting for him in the end zone.

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Roosh, you need to keep writing MORE articles and do LESS videos.

Your articles are what make your site unique and fresh.

Don’t try to be like everyone else and make youtube videos just to get some pointless hits.

Your articles are what work for you Roosh.

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The videos are extremely funny & highly informative through Roosh’s dry humor.

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I agree more EE street footage of chickens in the field.

Johnny
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Comment sections dont pay.

Roosh get that paper dawg!

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Roosh,

“Okay how about this—I will give each of you a piece of a paper, and on that paper you write down how much you like me on a scale of 1 to 10. A 5 is friendship and a 10 is passionate love.”

The ratings you received might have been a result of how you framed the question and described the response scale to the girls (called an anchoring effect)…

Usually, when people have no idea about how they feel or should respond, they will likely pick the average/middle of a response scale. In this case, with a 1-10 scale, it would be around 5-6 (which is what you initially expected). However, after giving them the whole scale, you then framed and gave values only for the middle and high end of the scale (5 is friendship, 10 is passionate love). So, you focused and anchored their thinking on the 5-10 range only. As a result, they then all chose the middle of THAT range instead (~7.5).

On the positive side, such framing and anchoring effects carry over into future judgments. So, after they made their response, the girls would then all come to believe that you were above average in attractiveness (7.5 out of 10). Given that, your question may not be a valid measure of a girl’s actual attraction to you, BUT it is a great technique for assuming, framing, and increasing their perception of your attractiveness (whether they initially feel that way or not). In my book, persuasion is better than evaluation anyway.

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Yeah, I did that on….. purpose.

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lol. I figured it was just intuitive pick-up genius at this point anyway. Maybe we should start a whole new line of psychometrics for game…take the old school “Cube” and such to a new level.

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Game psychometrics… Hmm…
Do you know of any research on MBTI and male/female relationships?
Or perhaps other personality measures.
I’m assuming that in the West there would be certain male profiles that are more attractive than others.
And I’d be willing to bet that different cultures/ethnicities might have different preferences for attraction.

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I have not explored the MBTI specifically for relationships. I will have to dig around in the research. The Big Five personality inventory does have some correlations though. Namely, higher extroversion, openness, and lower neuroticism seems to be attractive to women. The role of conscientiousness and agreeableness seems to be more variable. That probably reflects an Alpha/Beta Fux/Bux fluctuation in women’s preferences though.

Beyond that, there is some general stuff about relationship differences in individualistic vs. collectivistic cultures too. Here again, we see a general leaning toward sexy genes in one and resources in the other. Roosh has a good breakdown somewhere of the “alpha, clowning, entertainment type game” in the West versus the more “beta provider game” in the East. That maps pretty well with the cultural preferences.

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That makes sense. Have you ever heard about how relationships break down when the women stops taking birth-control? All the sudden she realizes she isn’t pregnant and runs off to find the nearest alpha lol.

I just noticed your avatar today. Nice to come across an academic in the red-pill community with a sense of humour.
I just completed my MA in Psychology (Psychophysics & Neuroscience) at the beginning of January. Focused on multisensory perceptual integration.

I left the ivory tower though. Basic research seems to have a precarious career path… I got a little disillusioned with the whole publish anything at any cost to secure future funding kinda mentality… I met too many post-docs in their mid 30s still looking for their first-professorship… Even though I like research I couldn’t justify putting myself through 5ish more years of school to make 40k as a post-doc for who knows how long. OrgPsych seems like a really interesting field though. Applied theory on human behaviour not simply meant to get people to buy things.

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Congratulations on the MA. Although I do a bit of teaching to make ends meet, I agree on the limitations of relying solely on an ivory tower life. Keeping myself flexible, applied, and not too serious tends to help me find other ways of using my talents. So, I encourage you to explore and find a niche for your talents too. For example, you might be able to consult in tech industries or even entertainment with your specialty (e.g. see here: http://www.sleightsofmind.com/). Starting a blog and beginning to brand yourself as an expert in some domain can help too. Good luck and stay in touch!

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“Keeping myself flexible, applied, and not too serious tends to help me find other ways of using my talents.” This is the kind of place I’m aiming to get at.

Thanks for the advice and info. Yeah I’ll be around take it easy.

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The point to this post is that you won’t know what a girl thinks of you until you escalate and push fully until you’re outright rejected in which case you ‘next’. He’s reminding everyone to constantly escalate and move forward otherwise she’s just gonna sit back and remain to herself and content and take the easy way out because she can she’s a girl.

In high school, we didn’t know what personality traits (read: game) were attractive and what actions would lead to failure. But through years of experiences, you learn what leads to failure and what succeeds. So, this essentially means that the guys who do the best with girls are ones that can do this escalating in a socially savvy way and they can read social situations with girls and make the right moves. They know how to make the bolder moves and are more comfortable with it b/c they’ve been there done that.

It’s usually not hard to escalate with a girl to hook up with her (fucking her is difficult on the first date unless she’s a slut or ovulating or both). What’s difficult is being able to keep a high smv girl chasing you. In my experiences you have to have everything going for you (looks game status etc) to keep hot girls chasing. Yes, game will get girls attention and into bed some of the time. But I’m still confused with how to keep a girl chasing without falling into doing beta things. Doesn’t make sense because beta isn’t attractive but that’s what happens when you escalate to monogamy?

Does anyone have these healthy monogamy escalation experiences?

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Both the story and article fucking sucked.

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This is a good observation, women can be quite attracted to a man and not show it. In this social dynamic where the three girls probably did not want to upset the other two by being openly competitive it’s even more likely they would play their cards close and leave it up to him to make it “fair” by choosing. Which they did. I bet men would be surprised at how many women may be attracted to them but unless they somehow test the water they will simply never know.

I am not expert at game but would say Dawson played that one right for the situation. Sounds like it worked too

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In the game of pickup, you’re only as good as your last bang.

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If this is so then now I can choose only between having a long draught or becomming worse by banging a chick of lower quality.

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Well Go bold or go home. This contest was borne out of the lack of fear of rejection. I wonder what other people would do

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Simple thing, the safer she feels the more receptive she will be to your boldness. Reminds me of rosseriys rules
1) be attractive (each woman is different, this is the hard part)
2) don’t be unattractive (this is very easy as it’s not about looks etc, it’s about killing the omega and feeding the alpha in you)

roosh was in a public space, with others people and the girls were with friends so his move came over as BOLD but not threatening. Hence the positive reaction, if he had done it 1-1 in an empty bar it would have come over as creepy. Simple rule, a woman who is into you will never make it harder to fuck her than she has to.

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>I believe that Marina, who was noticeably bored by the second game, knocked down the tower on purpose so that we wouldn’t have to play anymore, but I have no evidence of this.

this me made me laugh a lot for some reason. they’re just like kids

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I would be scared to bang you after all this sexual escapades you had. First, your energy do not exist, you are without any energy, second, you are not clean at all.

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WRONG: “The way to tell whether a girl is attracted to you is if she accepts your escalation move.”

You do not understand women. You wrote an article explaining in detail what you know nothing about.

Watch her eyes. Her eyes tell her innermost feelings.

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Sorry to tell you – I suspect your research methodology invalidats the results because you ar a foreigner and they are Russian. Having lived in Russia for half a year, I am aware of the value of foreigners, particularly Americans who are believed to be singularly wealthy beyond belief. Had you conducted this experiment in your home town, more valid results would have been achieved. However it is a fun story – albeit you cheated us on the ending. wink

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Russian girls are easy reads this article notwithstanding…..I don’t need to consider
3 words of pick-up techniques when dealing with the Eastern bloc….but an American girl is a Lybrinth ….coy as hell, stacked with too many boyfriends already….non-interested….hard to read………….I don’t even bother with them anymore…..in contrast–I got off the plane in Leningrad (St.Petersburg) and instantly had 9 dates with gorgeous women….so why bother with the states anymore…??

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I liked this article, but the title is confusing.. There is only one way to know if a girl is attracted to you.. presumably by escalating her? But then you go on to show a second way.. simply ask!

I really liked this though.. firstly for bringing out the competitive nature in the girls, and second it proves how you really have no fucking clue whether a woman likes you or not. This really had me thinking back on girls I was getting no signs from whatsoever that I eventually dropped… perhaps there was some attraction but women are just so poor at communicating this.

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is being a shy woman bad? i thought men liked quiet passive women (more feminine)?