The Totem Pole Of Race Attractiveness

Before I started traveling I was reluctant to believe some races of men are more highly desired by women than others. Growing up in multi-cultural DC, I’d see white guys, black guys, and Latinos all getting with reasonable-looking girls in the clubs. I did notice that Asian guys only got with Asian girls, but otherwise I believed that for the most part all men are created equal.

I was a little naive.

After having lived abroad for more than 18 months, I see there is a very clear totem poll of male desirability. I used to think that my game was all that I needed to outperform any man, but unfortunately many foreign girls are so crazy about certain physical features that I have to work like a mule in some areas of the world.

Before you call me a racist for sharing these thoughts, keep in mind that this isn’t what I think is desirable, but what I’ve observed others to find attractive.

Let’s start with the ranking for men, from most desirable to least desirable. If you placed a handsome representative from each category in a lineup and let the world’s women pick their favorite, here’s who would get the most votes:

  1. European men with darker, sultry features from countries like Spain, Italy, Portugal, and France
  2. Northern European men with light features from countries like Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, and Norway
  3. Western men with medium features from countries like England, United States, Australia, Canada, and Ireland
  4. Middle Eastern men with darker but slightly rougher features from countries like Turkey, Greece, Morocco, Iran, and Algeria
  5. Latino men from countries like Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, and ones in Central America
  6. Arab men from countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan
  7. African men
  8. Southeast Asian men from countries like Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia
  9. Indian men
  10. Asian men from countries like Korea, China, Taiwan

Where do we place men that don’t exactly fall within an category? In many cases there is some mixing and matching. Israeli men would probably fare better than your average Middle Eastern man. German and Russian men would go a notch above Western men. And Colombian, Argentine, and Brazilian men would hover around the Western and Middle Eastern categories. Personally I’d put myself mostly in category four (I have a big Turkish face and a Chewbacca complexion). I don’t feel my background affecting my pussy-getting ability unless I’m hanging out with a guy in one of the first two categories.

An interesting group is African-American men. Their African ancestry suggests they would be viewed slightly unfavorably, but thanks to cultural forces that display then as cool, progressive, and dangerous, they do better than Latino men. They can thank MTV and Hollywood.

I cannot answer the why to this list. I don’t know why Asian and Indian men are not highly desired the world over. It’s true that those guys on the bottom of the list have to work much harder than guys at the top, but that’s life. Count your blessings that you’re a man, where appearance issues can be overcome with things like game, status, lifestyle, and gimmicks. One of my best friends is an Indian man with some status and he consistently dates cute white girls, so I know it’s not a death sentence.

How about if we did the list for women? It’d be similar to the mens list but with a couple changes:

  1. Northern European women (+1 movement)
  2. European women (-1)
  3. Western women (no change)
  4. Latina women (+1)
  5. Middle Eastern women (-1)
  6. Southeast Asian women (+2)
  7. Asian women (+3)
  8. Arab women (-2)
  9. Indian women (no change)
  10. African women (-3)

Northern European women take the top spot (men are crazy for fair features). There was some shuffling in the bottom half of the list where Asian women got a healthy boost at the expense of Arab, Indian, and African women. Like with the men, Colombian, Argentine, and Brazilian women would be placed around categories three and four.

Why are Asian women viewed more favorably than their male counterparts? It’s because they are seen as submissive and compliant, qualities that make for a good partner. Plus Asian genetic features are more pleasing on the feminine form. And how about African-American women—do they see a boost like with African-American men? I don’t see that. Media portrayals have not been kind to them—they are shown to be combative and promiscuous. There are some exceptions to their perception (Ethiopian women fare rather well in being desired by men), but unless the African girl has a shade like Halle Berry or Tyra Banks, she will have trouble competing with other women higher on the list.

A good yard stick is the mail order bride industry. What countries do men want to purchase women from? Asian countries, Slavic countries, and some Latin countries. You do not see mail order brides coming out of Egypt, India, or Africa. These women who are at the bottom of the list are at a severe disadvantage. They can pretty themselves to land a quality man in their category, but it will be very hard for them to upgrade unless they possess exceptional beauty or lower their standards (e.g. Indian girl dating a pasty white nerd). Again, life isn’t fair.

You can use knowledge of the first list to find countries you’ll be well-received in—simply visit a place where the local man is several rungs lower than yourself. Religion may be factor (no one gets laid in Arab countries unless they pay for it), but if you’re in the middle of the list you may want to try Africa or Asia before you blow your wad in Spain or Italy. Call it pussy arbitrage.

One final note is to keep in mind that scarcity can increase your value. An Indian or Asian man in Denmark won’t do as bad as you might think due to how exotic he would be. (Partly for this reason black guys have found themselves quite a niche in places like Sweden and Germany.) If I go to Finland or Iceland I know my darker features will help get my foot in the door with many curious women, but I’m not going to kid myself—I’ll still need game to seal the deal.

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I worked at a job that allowed me to travel to all the various foreign embassies on a regular basis. I’m talking I would be in and out of them daily. Your list is pretty on point with the exception of one particular central American country. Columbia. Their embassy is stock piled with smoking hot chicks. Maybe it’s the coffee complexion and the lighter hair, but dude – totally smokin hot.

I’d also have to say that the Brazil embassy does well.

I think you overly generalize the European women. I for one never really thought much of the eastern Euro countries – as you moved out west and eventually got to Russia, the women get hotter. Ie. Poland, Slovakia etc. Russia was very impressive. The Germans, French, Brits, Spaniards, Italians for the most part are very plain. You obviously have a few hot ones here and there, but on a whole, not impressive.

So I think you are undervaluing Columbia and Brazil and def over valuing eastern Europe.

The country with the hottest chicks?? Easy; Poland and Sweden.

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Moved out east I mean. Western Euro Women suck – eastern Euro Women – hot.

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“An interesting group is African-American men. Their African ancestry suggests they would be viewed slightly unfavorably, but thanks to cultural forces that display then as cool, progressive, and dangerous, they do better than Latino men. They can thank MTV and Hollywood.”

1st – that’s racist…I just wanted 2b the 1st to say that b4 anybody else
2nd – also have to give props to the NBA. Slam dunking can get you far in life…

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No one speaks the truth better than Roosh. Well said.

Will digest the list and get back to you with more detailed comments. This is one of my favorite topics.

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Roosh what about east european females? Where do you think they rate? I would speculate they would be right up there with northern european category or at least the next level below.

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#2 Was me. Also, have you read the book Beautiful Women Have More Daughters? They give a good theory as to why men prefer blondes and why men prefer large breasts. Both have to do with determining the youthfulness of a woman.

I forgot the first theory right now, about blondes. But large breasts allow for an easier age determination. Young women have perky large breasts, older women have saggier large breats. So overall, it is a preferred characteristic for men.

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I’m really interested in this topic as well. There seem to be lots of things which shape how we view the attractiveness of different races, especially the media. I’m northern European (Scottish) but often get mistaken for Mediterranean/southern European. I love pale-skinned Nordic and Slavic women, but my favourite women are those with a darker complexion, namely Mediterranean, Latina and black (including “dark skinned” blacks). I’ve always been into hip hop and perhaps spending so much of my formative years watching fat booties on MTV Base had somewhat of an influence … I really can’t tell to be honest. Overall though, Roosh’s theory seems to hold. Some of my friends say they’ve never, ever seen a single black woman they find even somewhat attractive, which is incredibly puzzling to me. Even within my own race, I tend to favour girls with big asses, curves and darker complexions (Kim Kardashian would probably be the best celebrity example). My brother on the other hand likes skinny girls with thin hips, small asses and very “white” features. I’m an exception to the rule around where I live, but it’s weird how these cultural things seem to work.

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asian males are at the bottom because they are the most beta. they are down with stuff like honor. plus they are really short.

but there are asian gangs. if that was their stereotype i’m sure they would do better

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And you would put Mexicans into the same Latino category than Colimbians/Ecuador?

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I have observed that people are either attracted to something that they resemble closely or someone who looks totally different (opposites attract).

When I look like a Latino dude (tan, facial hair, more Miami style dress) I get a ton of attention from blonde, fair skinned girls.

So the desirability quotient depends on your target market. Go to Sweden looking like a Latino dude and you’ll kill. Go to Brazil and you’ll be common.

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A lot of Indian and east Asian men are beta. They are in the IT or electronic industries stuff like that. Many of them do not workout and have no game. Some heavy lifting would improve their chances. Also martial arts etc

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Well said, Alchemist. I also have my personal preferences — dark and sultry features, like Audrey Tautou — but overall, I think Roosh is correct in his observations.

Of course, just noticing and documenting aesthetic values that have come to permeate almost every society on earth — thanks to the power of the global media — is not being racist, or promoting discrimination. It is just stating cultural truths.

However, as a mixed-race, colored male, I think it would be nice to provide nice counter-examples of the whole “whiter is better” meme that is so prevalent in the media.

Don’t get me wrong — blonde, blue-eyed girls are gorgeous. It is interesting to note, though, how some super alpha men have gone against grain and chosen “colored” girls — unlike Mr. Cliche Tiger Woods, who literally chose a Swedish bikini model. He must have seen too many Budwesier commercials growing up.

For example, one of the biggest alphas of all time, Marlon Brando, loved “ethnic” girls, in particular dark-skinned girls.

Boris Becker famously loved black girls. Mick Jagger married a Latin girl, and not a European Latin girl like Daisy Fuentes, but an ethnic Latina, Bianca Perez from Nicaragua.

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“no one gets laid in Arab countries unless they pay for it”

I aim to prove you wrong.

We will see in a couple of months.

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Regarding Indian men, I think they can move up a few levels if they live in the USA Canada or the uk. This can bump them up to middle of the pack.

As an Indian man living in Canada I can honestly say that get a lot of iois from white girls. But then I am tall and fair so they might not be thinking I am Indian.

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Great post. As a black man who has done a fair amount of traveling, I find it ironic that the same stereotypes I hate being labeled as, are the same same stereotypes that make it easier to get laid overseas.

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roosh i generally agree with ur observations but in toronto canada that list meens shit its totally upside down multicultrialism has put everything out of wack here basically a indian middleeastern guy is at par with the top of ur list, as far as ratings of women go, again men will take anything here black woman at par with blond, thanks keepup great work

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Roosh is on point with this theory, however for every theory there is an exception i.e. white women flying to Jamaica to get fucked by black men, white men going to Africa to smash black chicks, Asian guys with white chicks etc etc

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Another great post, Roosh.

Unfortunately, this list rings true, at least for my experience in the USA.

I myself am Hispanic, 5’10”, and somewhat light complected (but I have a tan right now).

I notice that I get a lot of attention from Latin girls and white girls with brown hair…but I get very little attention from blond white chicks.

At this point, I don’t run game on a blond white chick unless she is seriously eye fucking me. I have found out the hard way that, for me at least, gaming blond chicks is a waste of time.

Anyways, the list doesn’t bother me much since life isn’t fair. Plus, I am not really into black or Asian chicks, so it would be hypocritical of me to whine about blond chicks not really being into me when I myself have my own “racist” preferences.

As for Asian dudes, I think what really hurts them is their height & lack of masculinity. A lot of Asian dudes are short & skinny. I don’t know what the solution for them is. Maybe date short chicks?

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caramel communist

1st – that’s racist…I just wanted 2b the 1st to say that b4 anybody else
2nd – also have to give props to the NBA. Slam dunking can get you far in life…

racist, racist, racist.

Piss off. There are race differences despite the furious spinning of the left to pretend there aren’t, and to force everyone into doublethink exclty like in Orwell’s 1984 under the shaming threat for being called a racist.

As you just did.

By the current definitions of the left, anyone who isn’t a racist is a blithering idiot.

Now I’m not talking about bigoted race hate. Or blind crude categorical thinking. People who think there are zero smart blacks for example. It’s all overlapping bell curves.

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“Roosh is on point with this theory, however for every theory there is an exception i.e. white women flying to Jamaica to get fucked by black men, white men going to Africa to smash black chicks, Asian guys with white chicks etc etc”

There are always going to be exceptions, but Roosh’s list is still pretty good. You can’t make general statements and have them apply to everyone the same.

For instance, in college I knew an Asian guy (Korean) who did very well with white chicks…however, he was 5’11’ (tall for an Asian), in a “good” frat, and worked out a lot. This exception doesn’t disprove Roosh’s list.

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I find that I am highly attracted to chicks who want to fuck me.

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#7 I agree, this observation isn’t racist, just fact, but sadly it shows the power that the media etc. has. E.g. when I was in Brazil there were lots of really hot (in my opinion) black and dark-skinned mulatta girls, but if you watch any of those fucking awful Brazilian soap operas or look at any women’s fashion magazines, all the models look like northern Europeans. The only black women in those programmes are servants or villains. Similarly, the ideals of female beauty that are promoted through the media in places like the UK and the US tend to favour European looks. This is sort of understandable, esp. in the UK which is still around 93% white despite lots of post-World War 2 immigration, but surely this constant message from the media has a huge influence on what the average guy in the streets perceives as being objectively hot.

Although my comment about watching a lot of rap videos when I was younger was tongue-in-cheek, I’m half-serious … there’s a good chance that’s where I developed my preference for lots of junk in the trunk. Meanwhile my indie-loving friends would have been watching videos full of European girls with thinner figures. Their comments about not finding black girls attractive (or most other non-whites for that matter) don’t offend me and I don’t regard them as racist as such, since guys also have preferences regarding hair colour, height and so on. Skin colour is just another difference in that sense.

Rather, it puzzles me more than anything since we’ll sometimes see a hot black or brown girl on TV and I’ll say “would you SERIOUSLY not fuck her if she was begging for it?” Like I said, I find this a very interesting topic.

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I agree that Asian men are the most beta of all the races. This holds true even for the gangsters and slangers that I have grown up with. Within their own little circle (i.e. other asian G’s) a clear alpha/beta pecking order develops. However, it never seems to transcend the group and come into effect when they mix with the general population (even when they got mad cash and cool cars, clothes etc).

The fact is that an alpha asian can at best be a mid level to higher level beta when placed in the context of society. Maybe it’s racist but I’ve grown up with and around these guys and have noticed this phenomenon. They’re soft and feminine when you really get to know them and they love drama in the same way that women do. They fight and argue like little bitches over girls and they drink weak, girly shots and mixed drinks. I order a double neat scotch and I get derided for my terrible choice in beverages, all the while my asian buddies are sipping on malibu and pineapples.

Why do you think they all keep to themselves so tightly? If they were to mix with the rest of us all their masculine deficiencies and traits would be on display and they would be exposed as less than men and would be unable to compete. I’ve dated a few asian hotties and the theme amongst those girls that stray from asian men is that their men aren’t “manly” enough for them. Of course, there are exceptions, but they are few and far between.

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And it totally depends on your target demographic. In Toronto the mid eastern and Iranian girls are some of the hottest. Way better than white chicks. So guys from those backgrounds get a pick of the hottest girls. I rarely see those girls with white guys.

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Disagree. It’s not empirical fact as you present it, it’s just one person’s opinion. When you go on to say, “I don’t know why it’s like this!”, I feel compelled to say that it’s probably NOT like that. I feel you’re misrepresenting the content you’ve posted here.

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I don’t find this comment racist more then a sociologist would offer commentary on America’s perception on race in a college class. That said, I have to chalk this up to Roosh’s opinion based on his observations and experiences.

I will say that African Americans thanks to white people’s obession with their culture (and hollywood and the media exploiting the bajesus out of it). I am of mixed heritage myself and noticed when I put earings in my ear, leave my hair nappy and act like I’m Lenny Kravitz or Dennis Rodman, my attraction with women goes up ten fold. On many occusaions women have come up to me and said I was the hottest guy in the bar/club when I had my batsuit on.

Understand the power of perception and you will learn how to manipulate reality.

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Great post Roosh. I’d rank Asian women as more attractive, probably above middle eastern women.

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An interesting group is African-American men. Their African ancestry suggests they would be viewed slightly unfavorably, but thanks to cultural forces that display then as cool, progressive, and dangerous, they do better than Latino men. They can thank MTV and Hollywood.

No blacks have themselves to thank for their image.

I think MTV and Hollywood are cooler due to black men more than black men are cool due to MTV and Hollywood. For example MTV went years blatantly trying to avoid playing Michael Jackson and avoiding playing hip-hop until the cultural and market forces for both became so strong they simply couldn’t afford not to anymore. Sony actually had to threatened to revoke videos for ALL their artists in order to get MTV to break down and play Michael Jackson, and this was during his peak popularity Thriller days! Same for blacks in Hollywood. All they could play was maids and butlers until some genuinely charismatic and marketable Black actors like Sidney Poitier came along who were too cool and talented NOT to cast, let the studios lose out on money.

Hollywood and MTV uses blacks because they are already perceived as having those cooler stereotypes. Blacks don’t have those cooler stereotypes because Hollywood and MTV uses them.

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Southeast Asian +3, and Asian includes India and russia. Middle eastern guys out rankin Latinos? No, no way.

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If we are talking about western countries and therefore tastes then i more or less agree but these ratings would change drastically as you move from country to country.

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While I think this is generally true, it shows you how much women buy into stereotypes.

But this list ignores what one’s “persuasion” is. For example, I had an asian guy roomate in college who acted like a total frat guy – (white) girls liked him big time.

I am an Indian dude born,raised in Cali – my persuasion is very hip-hop…I often get attraction from the same girls who would like black or some hispanic guys.

Persuasion

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Spot on yet again. As a female I agree wholeheartedly with this post. Of course, there are elements of Mr. Roosh’s blog that I disagree with but he’s pretty correct in his assessment of the desirability of racial characteristics. I don’t think its racist to just tell it like it is. Roosh is not hating on Asian men or Black women, he’s just stating the majority preference for of most people. So what can one conclude? Sucks to be an Asian man or black woman? No, you just gotta be realistic in life and if you want to date outside of your race, realize the odds may be stacked against you if you are in one of the less attractive categories. That doesn’t mean you can’t work on your inner beauty instead, but you may have to settle for a less attractive person on a more desirable race. For example, fat white girl with black dude or nerdy old white dude with young asian chick. If you are lower on the race totem pole you gotta work harder at being hotter in your racial category or settle for one that isn’t as hot in the higher ranked race.

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@23

exactly what I was trying to say before I fucked up my sentence. 🙂

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Roosh “Again, life isn’t fair.”

You have no idea just how true that statement is friend. Life is only fair for white nordic females born beautiful on the planet Pussyworship.

Roosh: “Their African ancestry … thanks to cultural forces that display then as cool, progressive, and dangerous, they do better than Latino men. They can thank MTV and Hollywood.”

Here comes that “danger” factor again. Its about time people wake up and understand that violent abusers are king for women. This transcends the totem pole.

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Another leveling factor is introduced by perceived economic status, which can trump race or looks in a poor country… Go to some place like Belarus or Moldova or Ethiopia (each has hot girls) and, all else being equal, the girls would choose men as Roosh outlined above. However, if you’re one of the few Westerners around (as you will be in a place like those mentioned above), they don’t give a shit about race as long as you have a passport from a Western country…

Even though I should be used to it, I’m still blown away sometimes by the incredible girls that I see some fat slob from the West with no social skills has managed to acquire because he’s over there working for an NGO or a media company or whatever.

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@ Jaa

I agree with you but some of these commentators take some of these posts as “absolutes”

Here is something to think about, 2000 years ago if you were Middle Eastern/African you were higher on the list.

What will the list look in a 100 years, when the U.S. will be taking over by Hispanics?

Just a thought

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You’re right Roosh. I must admit you are right and I don’t have much experience with girls. Allow me to explain. You definitely have more experience than me in becoming the laughing stock for groups of girls (that are laughing AT you). Now please tell us what really happened; the girl rejected your lame 99 cent PUA robot routine, you lunged at her face with your hips spread wide, then she shoved you off and a group of cholos picked your scrawny Turkish ass up by the hole and threw you out of the club as you kick and scream. That’s the Roosh I know.

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I live in Canada and I agree with some of the earlier posts that race doesn’t really seem to be a problem. It’s mainly game, as a lot of guys up here don’t have any.

It seems to me that it’s mainly perception that girls have of the different races (ie Latin lovers, Asian betas, etc.)

What I do is lie. I’m northern Indian so I’m lighter skinned, taller and have more angular features than southern Indians. I constantly got mistaken for Italian, Greek, Spainish, Jewish, Middle Eastern, etc. so now I just tell girls that my grand parents are from Italy, Spain (Catalan), northern India and southern France. Covers the romance languages which stirs their loins.

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“I find that I am highly attracted to chicks who want to fuck me.”

Even fat ones. I kid because i agree.

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Good post. Props on tackling the potentially touchy subject in a level heading way, without setting off a shit storm.

One thing I think that should be mentioned is that this applies more to interracial dating, as most women have pretty strong intraracial preferences. From my experience, I’ve feel like it’s worth a net of almost 2 points on the attractiveness scale (outsiders -1, insiders +1). The closer a guy resembles a member of her race, the closer he comes to getting the full extra point. Because of this I think that mixed guys who can pass for multiple nationalities enjoy an advantage in that they resemble the natives of a much larger number of countries. The upshot is, know the countries where people look like you and exploit the niche.

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The biggest flaw with Roosh’s post is that it comes from someone with a geographically limited living abroad experience.

He’s experienced life in the United States and South America. Both regions notoriously racialized towards a “black & white” universe(with the trappings of superficial political correctness for deniability).

He has never lived in Western Europe, Eastern Europe, SE Asia, or Northeast Asia. Each of these regions in turn are composed of countries with their own values, preferences and tastes.

If he had, then he would have realized this very simple fact:

The less the influence of the Anglosphere media, the more of a “fair shot” the local women will give to men of all races.

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I could write a long ass post about this but I’ll spare everyone the pain and just write a long post.

I’m asian. AKA two-seven off-suit

(1) Generally this race ranking thing is strongest on first impressions. I’ve found that on a longer timespan (in class, social circle) personality carries far heavier weight and race rankings tend to melt (faster for those more liberal). That being said, I bet the indians/asians that you see doing well tend to meet girls only within their social circle etc. As it’s harder for them to break the first impression stereotype.

(2) This has to be the only institutionalized form of racism that is subtly approved by everyone. Yes, there are certain universal standards of beauty (symmetry, healthy etc.). But I believe that race has far larger role due to what is portrayed in the media/prevailing stereotypes. In places with weaker stereotypes due to the multiculturalism (Toronto) I’ll catch less flak. I’ve also found european women tend to be more receptive but where there are stronger stereotypes (i.e random shitty city USA) the disdain is palpable.

(3) It’s a vicious cycle. Yes the asian guys for the most part deserve the flak. They are small and quiet. As a result, to break the stereotype in people’s eyes it takes twice the effort i.e overcompensation.

(4) Asian guys also catch crap from asian girls as well. Sometimes girls born in an area with few asians will develop a race-inferiority complex and thus will strongly associate with white culture and have a visceral negative reaction to asian men. A winning situation.

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Yeah, I’d say thats a pretty good breakdown.

And obviously, there are exceptions to these rankings, but it’s a generalization that does a fine job covering such a wide spectrum.

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AJ,

Why would you even care what American women in a random shitty city in the USA feel about you?

For me, that would be like if I discovered that hairy in-bred Bedouin women from the deserts of Jordan find me unattractive.

American women are internationally known by well-traveled men as the bottom of the barrel. Made obsolete in the marketplace of feminine women and only able to dictate their terms due to the captive audience of worker slaves within the US who are too blind to see the prison they reside in.

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actually, statistically, people of mixed race are considered more attractive:

http://breedingbetweenthelines.com/home.htm

heterosis baby.

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I guess it makes some sense, but I’m always a little nonplussed at the degree to which game and HBD-type arguments find common ground. I get the whole uncomfortable truth idea, but on another level it just does not make sense.

What Roosh is saying is that on average, the average white women prefers white guys to black guys. That is true, sure, but “so what?” The more importnant observation is that the average white woman prefers the most high-status guy she can find. And that means that the whole point of game is to not be average. If you’re black, don’t be the average black guy. If you’re East Asian or South Indian, don’t be the average asian guy. In a lot of situations, being white will grant more status than being black, asian or indian. In the sexual marketplace, however, marginal status increases do not really bring that much reward. Women are looking for high-status men. They are looking for outliers.

Take someone like VK for example. From reading his blog I can see that VK dates a lot of white girls. I am sure that some percentage of those girls just happen to dig black guys, but it’s probably a small percentage. I bet that most of those girls, if asked, would say, if answering truthfully, that they are not normally interested in black guys. They go for VK because he demonstrates high status and for high status men none of the normal rules apply. If you want to make a realistic accounting of your status, you definitely have to take into account racial preferences, but in terms of developing game, you want to get to that space where your race doesn’t matter.

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also, from the other side of this: female attractiveness. i wonder how things shake out when you account for socioeconomic status. if you were to pick a hundred american white women at random and then a hundred american black women, i would most definitely find a higher percentage of the white woman more attractive. the problem with that thought experiment is that i know that i find fat women and ghetto women unattractive, and both of those things are likely to be overrepresented in the black sample.

if you were to give me a sample of black women where they were all under a certain weight and over a certain socioeconomis threshhold, the percentage i found attractive would definitely go up. by how much, i don’t know.

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read my post carefully… I don’t believe I mentioned that I care anywhere in the post. I was simply stating my observations. Perhaps the word “disdain” was too strong.

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re: black women. I believe its the stereotypes that inflicts this. I had similar preconceptions prior to meeting black women with their shit together. But afterwards I’m finding now that all races are moving to parity for myself.

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There are two ways you can rank a guy and that is marriage value and sex value. I think the overall ranking for black men at 7 is fair, but black male sex value is higher and black male marriage value is lower. Maybe this is one reason why black men avoid marriage as this is not playing to their “strength”.

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This post underscores the dire straights black women find themselves in. For starters black women greatly outperform black men educationally which leads to the inevitable hypergamous tensions. Second, a lot of educated black women have been exposed to white women through work or school and have elevated their set of expectations to match that of their white friends. Third, it seems a third or half of all black men with income above $50,000 are sleeping with white and Hispanic women of varying attractiveness.

The farther down the totem pole you go, the more important is game, but black women don’t have a “Mystery Method” they can use to compete with white women in the race for white men.

So far it seems black women are reproducing at a fairly high rate, but the utter collapse of the black mating market has to have consequences such as the decline of the black population.