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I wanted movement and not a calm course of existence. I wanted excitement and danger and the chance to sacrifice myself for my love. I felt in myself a superabundance of energy which found no outlet in our quiet life.
-Leo Tolstoy

When I got the travel bug I tried to find travel blogs that would help me with advice and knowledge for my own journey. It was much harder than I thought. A lot of blogs were by post-college graduates who didn’t want to start work yet, and others were by people who wanted to feed starving children in towns without electricity. Eventually a chance discovery led me to Travelvice, written by Craig Heimburger, a man who I would say I share many personality traits with.

Craigt and Aidric ICraig has been traveling for three years, a year of which I’ve been following. During his journey he met a Peruvian woman and had a boy. I thought that would surely end his journey, but he takes them on the road with him. His boy, now almost one, has probably been to more countries than I have.

I follow up on a lot of his post with so many questions that I figured I might as well interview him. I wanted to pick his brain and find out why he’s doing what he’s doing, and also draw out the beliefs that drive him. So here’s part one of the interview I had with Craig. My questions are in bold and his answers are in regular text.

You had an established career after graduating from college and you also got your MBA a couple years after that. It seems like there was a decision to move up the professional ranks but then you completely changed gears to where you are today. How and why did that happen?

During my first year of travel I’d sometimes lay out a description of my former standing in the U.S. similar to the one you’ve described in the question. I was working full-time in Phoenix and doing evening classes for my MBA (paid for by the same consulting company that I’d later leave just weeks after finishing my degree).

I was happy, getting plenty of lovin’ and leisure in that lifestyle (despite the terribly full, yet routine schedule). The corporate brass wanted to promote me to a senior level that would’ve probably doubled my salary and expanded my ability to enact change within the organization. By most standards these dimensions of personal and professional success would’ve been enough to keep the lips of most any 25-year-old grinning from ear to ear, behind a glass of rum at least half his age.

But a seemingly innocuous visit to Thailand in the winter of 2004 (that mostly took place during/after the massive Boxing Day tsunami that rocked the region) set in motion a mindset that has since seen me living quite “comfortably” (warning: very subjective) out of a backpack for over three continuous years.

Years back, I’d had the notion that I’d seriously commit to learning German and become a knowledge worker of some sort in Germany. (I’d been rather captivated by the place on a high school exchange back in ’96.) Pursuing my Master’s put an end to that idea, but not the notion of living abroad. And when my 2004 holiday visit to Thailand came along, the overwhelming desire to escape from the uninspiring game of corporate chess (political posturing, elbow rubbing, etc) came crashing down on me like the nearby tsunami that could’ve very well claimed my life.

But deciding to up and abandon your stable life for one of pure travel is a vacation delusion that few actually follow through on. I reflected on several things during and shortly after this initial Thai experience:

– My mother passed away at a young age from cancer when I was only 17. This can age a young man considerably in his youth. This teaches you that life is fleeting. That life is short.
– There’s more to a short life than working in an office building, sitting under the sterile blue-white light, chained to a computer monitor.
– That materialistic wants are far from the materialistic needs that I actually need to be happy, and that being in a corporation, surrounded by individuals perpetually looking to upgrade their lives by purchasing the next best house, car, phone, or television was not an environment that I wished to surround myself with any longer (especially since it’s so tempting and easy to get wrapped up in the behavior yourself when all your peers are doing the same).
– That I should have to ask permission from someone for my time — to beg a boss for permission to please, pretty please, can I have a three-day weekend? I give my time to a company, not the other way around.
– That I couldn’t allow the idea of living abroad to become an unrealized pipedream.
– And if not now, when?

Craig and Aidric IIIt took nearly 11 months to finish up that degree, design and build a Web site that would best allow me to share my knowledge and experiences with others, prepare a successor at work, and shut down my life. Belongings were lovingly sold, tossed, or donated to charity, friends and family. I spent a lot of time researching not where to go, but what to take. And ultimately, my life was compressed down to that of a backpack small enough to fit in the overhead bin of most any commercial passenger plane. And that’s the way it’s been since December, 2005.

Did you get comments from people close to you that you were “throwing” away your career or not living up to your potential? Or were people inspiring you and pushing you to do it? How do you respond to people who question what you are doing?

Truly one of the best ways you can leave a company is to tell them you’re doing it for travel. Not for another company, or for any other myriad reasons people give notice for, but to go and do the very thing that your peers are afraid to do themselves. And this, this response is even more motivating for the individual shedding themselves of their environment for reasons of wanderlust.

Still, years later, I get furrowed brows and letters of what amounts to dissatisfaction with the choices that I’ve made (and continued to make) with my lifestyle from my mother’s side of the family. Perhaps more than a little xenophobic at my grandmother’s level, down to the ‘long vacations are what retirement’s for’ mindsets of her children and their families. They could just never really grasp what I would want with more than two weeks of vacation time per year and a stable, well-paying job. To toss it away to live an unscheduled life in the (comparatively) impoverished places of the world seemed certifiably nuts.

On some level I found that parts of Rolf Potts’ book Vagabonding articulated a handful of the thoughts and feelings that I was having in 2005. And as I slowly expanded the circle of people around me whom I was revealing my intentions to throughout the year, I’d refer them to this book as some insight into my state of mind.

I’ve since discovered that many of my coworkers thought I’d be back after only six months. I had the undying support from my father and brother, but there wasn’t a single person in my network of friends, colleagues or acquaintances I knew that could offer me any inspiration or advice on perpetual travel. Perhaps if I was from Australia it’d be a slightly different story, but such things are just not a part of the culture in the United States.

The plan was simple enough though: not to travel forever, but to live abroad for the rest of my days.

You’ve experimented traveling without a guide book and you don’t seem to have a high opinion of other travelers who follow the Lonely Planet trail. How do you feel about the backpacking and hosteling culture? What do you think travel means for most of the travelers you meet?

The Lonely Planet trail is both a blessing and a curse, and certainly has its place in the lifestyle of even the most seasoned of travelers. For the tourist trail provides a level of predictability and comfort in unpredictable places.

It’s quite common for me to arrive at town in Latin America and dump my gear at a guidebook listed hostel or guesthouse for the first night (where applicable), using the remaining time that day and early the next morning to locate a better option. This isn’t at all hard to do once you open yourself up to making it a part of your lifestyle.

The hard part often comes into play when you have to make decisions on socializing and the cost of your accommodations. I’m often left with the choice of a bunk bed at a guidebook hostel or a private room that’s cheaper than a space in a 16-person dormitory, but with no one to talk with. In some cities you want to be alone, and in others you want to get laid easily. Hostels–especially the kitchens–are great places to meet potential lovers.

But really, guidebooks have their places, and I’m thankful they’re around (even though I’m traveling without one at the moment). People that want to be sheep can be sheep, and people that want to mix it up can mix it up. It’s a damn good safety net to have with you, but one person’s safety net is always going to be another person’s lifestyle. With time, the brave and bored emerge from the packs and trickle into the hills and villages.

Travel is what people make of it, and satisfying to one traveler is far from it to another. It’s an overwhelmingly personal, selfish thing that sometimes doesn’t extend beyond the bar, bed, museums, and monuments. But at the heart of it all is personal satisfaction—doing what makes you happy.

CONTINUED: Part 2

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craig | travelvice.com
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Again, a tip of the hat goes to Roosh for approaching me on this. Thanks!

For those interested, I’ve written up yearly a review/summary every December. Most recently, it covered 2008: Three Years of Travel (as Roosh mentioned above). Previously: Year Two, Year One.

Want a quick visual snapshot of where I’ve been these past 3+ years? Take a peek here.

These posts have some pretty pictures to look at: The Textures of Eastern Europe, High Dynamic Range Travel Photography.

For those interested, here are two travelogue entries on what I’m hauling around these days:

What’s Inside My Backpack for Europe, and Beyond, and Essential Baby Backpacking Gear

The travelogue has heaps and heaps of stories after such a prolonged period of time. Unfortunately, I’m still struggling to get current with entries, as over half a year of nonstop CouchSurfing (much of it with Tatiana and months-old baby Aidric in tow) has stretched my time very thin. I’m working such things as quickly as I can. smile

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Benedict Smith
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excellent post. i’ve been perusing your travel forum Roosh, since, i’m quitting my job at the close of this spring and going backpacking.

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Can’t wait for the rest of this interview. Great stuff!

Jay Gatsby
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Sounds like you have the urge to travel again. If you have the money, now is the time.

Carl Sagan
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Cool interview.

Rawdog Billionaire
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nice post

Arizona Lou
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This is very much relevant to my interests.

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Very inspirational! I was also having issues finding people on the interwebs who are doing what I’m striving to do in about a year. Just finished Vagabonding… good relevant topic but a little outdated and too much fluff. Recommend Four-Hour Workweek instead.

The G Manifesto
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“The Lonely Planet trail is both a blessing and a curse”

I have hated the Lonely Planet trail since I was 16 years old.

The only good thing about it is if you want to swoop some easy American Girls.

But if you are doing that, ask yourself “why are you traveling?”

The G Move is to swoop fly local girls in whatever country you are in.

Chumps swoop American girls abroad.

– MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: How to Prepare Uni (Sea Urchin).

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Also, great post.

There is nothing better than getting out of the corporate world.

Great work, Craig.

– MPM

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Lee
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how does Craig fund his nonstop travel?

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The travel books (lonely planet / let’s go / etc) were okay before the internet made them mostly irrelevant

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“The travel books (lonely planet / letâ��s go / etc) were okay before the internet made them mostly irrelevant”

They sucked pre-internet too.

– MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: How to Prepare Uni (Sea Urchin).

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I also wonder what will happen once Craig’s son hits school age? At some point it has to become about his kid, no?

Lee
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i think the dude should be able to school his kid on his own if he has his shit together. i don’t remember anything i learned in school except for the important basics. i could have dropped out in grade 9 and still be where i am today (self employed carpenter). history, physics, chemistry, it’s all bullshit unless your going into a career in one of those feilds. his kid would learn more by traveling than he would from generic classroom bullshit.

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I also wonder what will happen once Craig’s son hits school age? At some point it has to become about his kid, no?

Nah. Free spirits, unchained from the monotony of corporatism, are too enlightened to let the needs of others direct their lives.

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As a person that is planning on a extensive travel adventure..without the use of premade guides an such.
Both Roosh and Craig seem to have great opinions and stories.
I think ive become a new fan of Craigs blog

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#16

I am big fan of military academy. Problem solved.
Hey, we latinos love our generals.

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As a female, I must use a guidebook since I often travel by myself these days. I just can’t chance it. I don’t interact with locals much either if I’m by myself. I’ve been to a couple of places where the locals invite me to dinner but I’m too much of a chump to take them up on their offer.

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Simple question – how does he pay for all this, and how will he pay for all the future days he spends travelling?

craig | travelvice.com
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Hi all, thanks for the great comments! Several more parts to the interview to come smile

As for the money, it costs me about $7000/year to live “comfortably” as I move about the globe.

I’ve been in Turkey for the past two months. Want to know how much I’m spending? About $6/day, and living like a king.

In Asia and Latin America, it’s very easy to live on <$12/day and have a perpetual smile on your face. In Europe, with a child in tow, CouchSurfing has allowed me to live for only dollars a day in what’s likely one of the most expensive places I’ve ever traveled (outside of the Caribbean).

Cheers,

//craig in Turkey, days away from entering Syria

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Awesome, can’t wait to see the rest. This is right on time as I just booked my 2 month trip to S. America this morning.

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Craig,

“In Asia and Latin America, it’s very easy to live on <$12/day and have a perpetual smile on your face.”

I don’t doubt the smile, but $12 in Latin America?

Camping and eating mangoes in Panama?

How are you pulling that one off?

– MPM

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Been following your blog for a while, and I love it. Keep it up man!

craig | travelvice.com
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@#23: I found the 50%/25%/25% rule applied in Latin America for me. Take the price of your room and double it. That’s what you’ll probably spend in a day.

It was pretty common for me to be paying around $5/night when you average things out. Of that average $10/day, $5 for the room, $5 for food, and $5 transport, Internet, and/or entertainment.

If you plan on drinking with any regularity, add US$10/day to the total.

craig | travelvice.com’s last blog post: Reasons for Strange or Extreme Travel.

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*err — sorry, 1 a.m. here in Turkey and I’m typing with one eye open. That should be $5/$2.50/$2.50 hehehe

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Craig,

” Of that average $10/day, $5 for the room, $5 for food, and $5 transport, Internet, and/or entertainment.

If you plan on drinking with any regularity, add US$10/day to the total.”

That is some serious discipline.

Hell, I drink $200 per night on a mellow night in Buenos Aires.

– MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: How to Prepare Uni (Sea Urchin).

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You’re certainly not alone with such things in that city wink

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Craig,

This may come up in the interview later, but are you familiar with Surfwise?

Also, have you or are you going to write a book? I’m not necessarily talking about a travel guide.

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The question ultmately becomes what one thinks the purpose of life is.

For the atheists like me, it’s still a mystery. When we die, nothing that we’ve done matters. So either way it doesn’t matter in the end whether we have a perpetual travel bug or end up chained to the cubicle.

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Very good post. Haven’t seen something interesting here in months.

I am very curious to know more about craig’s travels.

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Somehow, “American backpackers” never seem natural or relaxed- especially the “my former life”-types. Probably because America is not part of the Working Holiday network of CN, AU, UK, JP, and NZ. We suck!

Btw- Chic Noir, you’re the type of girl traveler I loathe to meet.

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Is the mother of the child living on $5 a day or does she not get anything? On one level it sounds appealing but the gap in the resume doesn’t. At what point does taking care of the child become a priority? A traveling toddler is one thing, but later that’s something different.

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A better solution for the horny traveler is to find a job abroad. Shitty countries love skilled western labor. Or get a job that allows you to work from the internet.

Plus, you’ll have time to check out neighboring countries with the extra European vacations (20+ days instead of the 10 days standard in USA/Canada)

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The $7,000 a year figure is impressive, but it still doesn’t answer the question: how do you afford this?

Are you living off the savings you made as a corporate solider in the USA? Finding odd jobs on the road? Living off birthday checks from grandma?

I appreciate you taking the time to share your experiences with us. But I’m just trying to figure out the financial logistics here.

craig | travelvice.com
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Roosh is correct — still living off savings from work and the liquidation of my domestic life in the States.

I’m sure it helped immensely that I had no university debt, as my in-state undergrad degree was quite inexpensive in Oregon, and my work picked up the bill for my graduate degree.

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@#30, I_Affe:

I just got done watching ‘Surfwise’ (prompted by your question if I’d seen it)

…wow. For sure a recommended watch. Thank you.

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whatever happened to travelvice guy roosh?

last update seems to be 2009