Western Men Are Becoming Evolutionary Dead-Ends

A lot of you are coming to the realization, like myself, that there are not many options for men who want to pursue something deeper besides stacking cash and sleeping with promiscuous women, even if you made all the right moves with your life through focusing on self improvement and making sound decisions with your education and money. That raises the question of what is the next stop on our life journey.

The progression of man was clear a few generations ago:

  • school
  • work
  • marry virgin (or girl with less than 5 previous partners)
  • babies
  • worship god
  • death

There was no confusion about what a man should do because the path was laid out and urged onto him by his tribe, family, and a culture built on traditional or religious ideals. But something happened in the years since where the progression became this:

  • school
  • work
  • consume corporate products
  • marry aging slut with 20+ notch count
  • babies (if wife wasn’t made infertile by repeated gonorrhea infections)
  • worship blimposaurus wife
  • death

One of the reasons you’re reading me right now is because you have realized the folly of this progression.

We have taken a road that is grossly unacceptable to the mainstream hivemind. Instead of blindly consuming and wifing up a former carousel rider, we have decided to keep ourselves free from the financial bondage of excessive consumption and also state bondage of not marrying a woman who could easily destroy us in a her-fault divorce. So we hit the gym, we learn game, we travel, and we start our own side businesses. I’ve met countless men who have done well for themselves by saying no to what has been pushed upon them. Their behavior has been called creepy, sexist, and rapey, in urgent need of manning up, but they have manned up for themselves by beating the system.

But what comes next? If you are to believe the biological imperative encoded within your DNA, it is to reproduce. Based on who our ancestors were—men who successfully reproduced from the first man without fail—I’d say that it would be atypical for you not to want to create life, especially if you’re over 30 and have accumulated sufficient resources. I’m not making an argument to reproduce based on passing your genes on for posterity, since all that will be moot once the sun swallows the earth in a few billion years, but one based on where your genes came from and how they are supposed to code for an intense, illogical, and irrational desire to reproduce that may put your own self-preservation in danger.

If you are to believe that modern culture is headed towards full-blown degeneracy, and that women are affected by the environment they’re in, you would naturally come to the conclusion that the women of today make for inferior wives and mothers than the women of yesterday. They are narcissistic, masculine, lacking in homemaking and nurturing skills, holders of outrageous sexual histories, addicted to electronic devices and entertainment, absent in family values, uglier, and less capable of familial loyalty. Western values from America are spreading so rapidly that a 22-year-old Brazilian, Polish, or Thai girl is worse at being a wife than her sister only five years older.

That leaves a Western man who wants to reproduce with three options:

1. Marry a Western woman who has had at least 10 sexual partners and hope that he won’t be financially destroyed or imprisoned by the state for not paying child support or being falsely accused of domestic violence or rape.

2. Find a young traditional foreign wife from a little village, bring her back to America, and hope that in 10 years she doesn’t learn the way of the land and morph into the Western woman he avoided marrying in the first place.

3. Leave your friends and family to expatriate to a strange land, find a young traditional foreign wife, and live on her home turf while hoping and praying that laws in your new country don’t eventually make you a pre-criminal, like has recently happened in Poland when they passed their own version of the Violence Against Women Act.

If you truly want to reproduce, option three has the least amount of risk though it contains the most amount of effort and personal sacrifice, and it’s still no guarantee of success, especially if you pick a country that has pretty women who are prone to divorce. Here are divorce rates per 1,000 inhabitants for a selection of countries (lower numbers are better):

Russia: 4.8
USA: 3.6
Lithuania: 3.0
Czech Republic: 2.9
Ukraine: 2.8
Denmark: 2.6
Hungary: 2.4
Estonia: 2.2
Spain: 2.2
Canada: 2.1
UK: 2.0
Turkey: 1.6
Poland: 1.6
Saudi Arabia: 1.1
Serbia: 1.1
Mexico: 0.8
Colombia: 0.2

Option three will be wholly off the table for the bulk of men who are average and not capable of the intellect, work ethic, and touch of mental derangement that is required to expatriate, especially if they don’t possess adventurer or thrill-seeker personality traits. For the majority of men, it’s not even an option that can be considered, which means that we have now entered an age where a Western man can no longer pursue his biological desire to reproduce without exposing his life to severe risk that would likely greatly reduce his quality of life by legally attaching himself to a woman who can hold him hostage in his home.

Marriage and kids were always a marginal deal for men to secure weekly sex and pass on their genes, but now we can advise for the lot of man that he must avoid it at all costs unless he has guaranteed legal protections from his wife and the state or he is beyond certain to have found a “unicorn” who will love him and only him until the end of her life.

There will be a point, after you gain significant resources and become fatigued from banging a variety of sluts, that you will be ready to move on to the next step. That next step was available to you in the past, and while not a necessarily net positive decision, it wasn’t automatically one filled with immense risk. But now I’m afraid to say that there is no next step that would involve leaving a legacy without opening yourself up to being ruined unless you manage not only to find a traditional woman in an increasingly nontraditional world but do so in the right country that doesn’t flip the switch against its male residents by treating them as undercover wife beaters.

The pinnacle of your father’s life was being a reliable provider, but that it not turning out to be the case for us. The pinnacle of our lives is making internet money, scooping up some easy sex, and minimizing our legal exposures. I fear there is not much in the way of deeper meaning to be found. There are no loftier heights to climb than your own independence and individual pursuits. Unless we see drastic world changes in the next 15 years, merely having a pleasant lifestyle and individual freedom is where the trip ends for us, without being able to create our own family.

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Armchair General
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Banning all contraception ? It’s not terribly unethical. Don’t want kids ? Don’t have sex.

Separating sexual urge from it’s purpose of reproduction is as counterproductive as allowing people to eat all they want without getting fat.

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AG… ya ok ~ cutting your balls off and becoming an ethical and productive Monk then seems like the best solution. Go ahead; you first.

Armchair General
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You are forgetting something. Contraception is foundation of female sexual liberty. It isn’t true so for men. Men don’t have to carry a load for 8 months after they wanted to “experiment”

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Isn’t that usually 9 months, brother?

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Male sexual freedom is nothing without female sexual freedom… in a world where you can’t own sex slaves anymore, that is.
And yes, it’s usually 9 months lol.

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So what? That’s not men’s fault. Some female spiders eat the males during procreation too.

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Agree. Contraception is a devil in disguise

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Actually if done right. Contraception allows for healthier kids. Since one can concetrate more resources to a smaller number of offspring. Since also, due to medical advances, child mortality rates are lower.
As well as due to contraceptives, less likely the woman is going to die during either pregnancy or the actual childbirth. And yes, even in first world areas, there are
women who still die during childbirth.

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I understand your points, but this does not solve the problem of first world nations being overrun with third world offspring.

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You’re being ridiculous. A male birth control that is 99 per cent effective is going to market next year in Indonesia. A male birth control pill would be a “game changer.”

Men can keep their balls. But, it’s true that Caucasians will go into rapid decline but that’s primarily due to the feminist construct, the feminist child support model, that replaced the paternal nuclear family model that benefitted Western Civilization for millennia.

The Muslims will clean up and achieve their dream of submitting the entire world to a false religious system fabricated by a disgruntled liar in a cave who had been rejected for leadership by his tribe’s elders for being unstable (e.g. Muhammad) to gain power, sex, and money.

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Yeah you hate Muhammad but I bet you love Jesus, huh?
Jew loving faggot.

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I don’t hate anyone but you obviously hate are anti-Semitic.

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You were smart enough to realize that there is a feminist construct, perhaps you could apply those same critical skills to understand that there is also an anti-moslem construct that is used to drive a domestic and foreign agenda.

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I think the nuclear family is just as equally to blame.
The nuclear family was a product of rising incomes. WHo wants to live in a crowded, multi-generational house when they can have privacy?
Unfortunately, a nuclear family is very weak, only a few people, weak bonds. Look at the success of all the immigrants’ businesses. Racial solidarity gives them ready market, business plans are traded, workers work under the table, and even loans can be raised among 200 relatives without resorting to banks.

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True, but that’s not gonna fly for those who have neither a religious reason to abstain, nor a societal good reason. Otherwise, roosh-ism, should be the expected path for most, however unfortunate.

Armchair General
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My point wasn’t abstinence nor do i support abstinence, lol. I was talking about demographic crisis

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People have kids they cannot afford will just create either a bloated welfare state or impoverished crime ridden ghettos. Besides, there’s already too many people on the planet. I am not concerned about demographics.

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Sex is the most natural “free drug” available to people.

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“Separating sexual urge from it’s purpose of reproduction is as
counterproductive as allowing people to eat all they want without
getting fat.”

Are you saying that since I was born without reproductive organs, that I shouldn’t find a mate, fall in love, marry, and yes, have sex?

Immanuel Kant, Sir Thomas Moore, Jerry Falwell, …and quite a host of
others have gotten this message all kinds of wrong. And to an extent,
this was understandable. Up until the discovery of the X and Y genes,
it was scientifically believed (largely based on theological influence)
that ejaculate contained a very tiny man that would grow in a woman’s
womb (it doesn’t!) and that it was a fault of care by the pregnant woman if she should deliver a girl, as she must have damaged the baby while carrying it. (It isn’t!).

As our consciences were informed by our philosophical and spiritual
leadership throughout Western civilization for thousands of years, it
is difficult to let go of the ‘immorality’ of ‘wasting sperm’. Of those
that rigidly take the stance of sexual behavior being for procreation
and thus, homosexuality or casual sex wholly immoral – only Kant makes
an allowance for ejaculation absent an attempt for pregnancy: nocturnal
emissions. Wet dreams aren’t murder.

More to the point, though – only rigidly fundamentalist Christians (that
haven’t been caught paying male prostitutes for homosexual sex, or been caught using sites like Ashley Madison, etc.)) loudly
claim that sex is strictly for procreation. Not even radical Muslims
nor even Hasidic Jews make such a claim. The most God-fearing Catholic Cardinals don’t say this either (another popular myth) – and for good reason:

The Song of Solomon, the Song of Songs…. often theologically interpretedas an allegorical representation, it is also an eloquently GRAPHIC exchange between a man and a woman wherein the woman asks the man to give her oral sex until she climaxes on his face (which, of course, doesn’t lead to procreation, oh noes!), and then he is to ride off, still smelling of her. Go ahead – draw out the visuals the song
describes, line by line, on a piece of paper. Not so much as one word
about procreation. And the Cardinals attending the Muratorian Canon
(where the Holy Bible was put together) and Council of Laodicea in
363A.D. agreed. Sex was also pleasurable – and one could cultivate a
virtuous and spiritual existence by recognizing it. The Council of
Hippo (A.D. 393) and the Council of Carthage (A.D. 397) also both
affirmed these findings and left the Song of Songs in the Bible.

Buddhists, Hindi, Muslims, Zen, Confucius’, Christianity, Judaism, etc… all major religions and philosophies in the world since the written word have acknowledged that sex is pleasurable and, when exercised within certain perimeters, is healthy for the moral and spiritual being of a person even when not for procreation.

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You can try and justify your lack of understanding of life that = not giving any credence therefore not obeying Natural Laws, all you wish to with your obvious superior intellect (so you think). We have read responses like yours before from other women whom, in their arsenal of modern behavioural traits, can never be wrong vs men nor comprehend your true enemy (not men), but THAT WHICH put people on earth AND its Plan for us…call it The Force, Energy, not God of course You are yet another University grad no doubt, lacking the common sense that “it” (many call God) gave YOU. You are your own, God.

Clearly, the genders are anatomically different for a reason called procreation, and these physical differences we ALL SEE are suppose to attract opposite genders into an arousal state in order to procreate. You just can’t have sex and defy this unity as a cheap undertaking of “getting off”. Instead, making love is suppose to come when a couple are truly committed and the what has been following this due to changed gender ROLES (not of The Laws of Nature but of High Tech), has spawned the most destructive social force ever against the family so unnatural/ abnormal namely, Women’s Liberation or Feminism. First came High Techology’s people-made materialism then came the so called freedom of Women’s Liberation or Feminism as a result. This has our Western cultural gradually doomed. And it is regretful that other cultures have been sucked into the western culture only to become diseased too; both physically and socially.

Contraceptives are NOT of nature accept for the fact that ladies have their cycle for a purpose. Cleansing of the womb for the next preparatory ovulation at which time, she naturally feels more aroused due to hormonal secretions/flow. The Pill, though far too many women won’t admit it since it has Liberated them more than any other commodity into their own Independent materialistic bliss, is dangerous. It disrupts glandular activity NOT just wrt the ovaries but the entire female body. Not one cell in your body is disconnected with all the others and so what is negatively exposed in one bodily area affects your entire organism. You are not made of steel, rather flesh.

The mind can be so deceiving as it was with the Philosophers whom by the way are (male), yet the heart always feels and therefore should admit known Truths IF it loves SELFLESSLY. Beyond breaking almost every Natural Law as we humans do, not Loving others as we wish to be loved, is the greatest error people make. And the SHARING a child as a monogamous couple hence a family unit, is what every child on earth longs for from their genetic parents yet they have no say…most of their (and fathers’ control) has been turned over to the so called mother by Government Laws/systems and now corporations have gotten in on this orchestration; not to forget the mass media and Hollywood ALL for the woman’s rights first.

One person above states how the declining birth rate of Caucasian women is resulting in the Muslim race (and others) taking over…no-one can debate this statistical fact and so while western women whine, complain, point the finger now with an unreasonable cliche “man up”, even with ALL their choices > an obvious Narcissism is their Keeper and, they know this in their minds however, their emotions are selfishly out of control pointing the finger almost always at Men as the cause of their freedom of choice. There are some enlightened young women who are fighting back against what feminists (soft to radical) especially in their 40s, 50s, and 60s have created.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, I recently discovered MGTOW (men going their own way), and as much as it isn’t natural either, it beats the risks associated in a relationship especially if and when a child enters the scene.

Men have not changed since the ~ 70s yet women have very much in their roles and behaviour to the point wherein, MGTOW has become a valid option for men. It beats going through the potential emotional, mental, financial, and spiritual pain of common law or marriage.

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Hi David,

Thanks so much for such a detailed answer, for how you became a MGTOW. You assumed some very wrong things about me, I’d love to clear those up with you. First, I think you think that I hate men. Or dislike them. You couldn’t have gotten me more wrong. I LOVE MEN smile Not in any sexual way, not yet anyway, I’m not very good looking, but hope springs eternal, yeah? I can’t wait to fall in love, it’s something I’ve honestly waited my whole life for. I know there is a guy for me somewhere, and oh my God, is that guy going to be spoiled ridiculous when I find him, and he can look past my imperfections. I know, technically, I don’t ‘need’ a man for validation, but I want one, more than anything else. Except to be pregnant of course, but due to technology not being ‘there’ yet, I’ll have to wait. I live on hope, I can’t let go of those dreams, of finding a man and becoming pregnant. I can be ok with the first and not the second though.

” You just can’t have sex and defy this unity as a cheap undertaking of “getting off”. Instead, making love is suppose to come when a couple are truly committed”

We agree here, and that was put beautifully, by the way.

I also don’t feel I’m superior in intellect, I did try to go to University, but was thwarted by Algebra. I couldn’t get it, no matter how hard I tried, eventually I ran out of money had to stop trying. I don’t learn like most people. I’m a lot slower than most, but I get to where I’m going eventually smile In many ways, I’m very much a dumb—, but I’m here to learn. Same as we all are really. Honestly, I know computers very well, and not much else really, but I love to learn.

I’m not a seething feminist haha. I think I may have given you that impression. If so I apologize. I definitely don’t fit in that box. Lemme out smile

I think we looked past one another, and looked at the subject matter more than one another. I apologize for my part in that.

Take care of yourself, David. <3

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Men bitch about not getting enough sex as it is. Do you really think they’ll be okay with their options for sex being removed entirely unless they and the woman they’re banging are both okay with ruining their lives with a baby?

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why do u speak taylor? When the first thing from your mind is to say mens words are that of a bitch? Clearly you are only here to bash men. If u have nothing to say good then don’t.

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Would you prefer if I said “complain” instead? How about if I use a very neutral word: men TALK about not getting enough sex as it is. It won’t improve for them if the woman involved risks ruining her life every time they do the deed.

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Thank u Taylor. speaking for myself I have learned that sex early in relationships ruins them. I am pretty seriously considering waiting for marriage now. U have 2 understand how men have been poisoned by society and the media. We are indoctrinated to be perverts, watching porn and playing women, tossing them out for sex… This is not our natural state. Our natural state is more like, meet woman befriend woman, have feelings for her, love her. Then we should have sex. Anything before this is bad.

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Frankly, there’s certainly an easy fix for this–surgical castration and a lifetime of hormone replacement therapy. There–problem solved! smile

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Nicolae Ceaușescu banned contraception and forced men and women to make children. 2 decades after Nicolae Ceaușescu forced people to reproduce, romania was economically and socially destroyed. The tyrant, Nicolae Ceaușescu, was killed by its own people in the end. After the tyrant was killed, hundreds of thousands of orphans were sold to mafia and became slaves.
Romania is still ridiculed by other countries for forced reproduction.

Your statement is what a (potential) dictator or a psychopath would make. Ruining millions of private lives to boost population growth works only in a short term and miserably fails in the long term.

What’s wrong with voluntarily reducing population and saving the earth from environmental disasters? Automation by AIs will free most people from labor in a few decades, anyway.

It’s beneficial to voluntarily reduce population at this point.
It’s ok to separate sex from reproduction.

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divorce rates can be misleading since it’s common in many European countries for couples to cohabitate and have kids but never get married = no divorce whe they split up. Much lower rate of cohabitation in the US.

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Yes, you have to compare the divorce rate to the marriage rate, otherwise it is misleading.

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This is also true in Mexico. My wife’s best friend told me half the couples she knows here are not married by the law. This is a cultural norm, almost. Benito Juarez, in the days of our Civil War, got in a fight with the Catholic Church over priest’s immunity from the laws. He won, and decreed that church marriages were not valid.

So, since poor folks had no cash and government weddings had a cash cost, people simply moved in together and called themselves married, as in the Old Testament.

We are products of our cultures. So this bothered me when I first moved here. Now, it makes all the sense in the world. No one is more married than couple which thinks it is married. And, no one is more divorced than a couple which thinks it is divorced.

My view is legal marriage is no more than a government made of control freaks telling people what they can and cannot do. Before that, it was the control freaks in the church telling people what they can and cannot do.

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I didn’t know that about Mexico, especially since they’re so religious. Although it definitely makes sense in a poorer society; and since it’s decreed in the Bible, it fits with their religiosity.

If I ever choose to get married, I’ve thought I’d like for it to be a common-law marriage because like you said, I don’t believe I need the govts authorization/certification of marriage. (But good luck to me convincing future-wifey of this.)

Also, consider that we already need approval of who are children are by having them govt certified. How much longer before we need govt approval to have kids, or more than one like in China. While that seems unlikely, I can definitely forsee our increasingly feminist-dominated society that already puts men in jail for the inability to pay child support, requiring only men to be certified prior to having kids. Have them meet a responsibility and solvency standard since feminism has already succeeded at making men the cause of all social ills. Remember, women already have the legal right to have, or not have, children, it’s their bodies; whereas men have no such right, and since we already can’t prevent abortions, it would be very easy to prevent us from having kids too. Knock-up a gal without a permit, pay a fine; and if you’re not deemed certifiable as a father, go straight to jail because that’s where you’d be headed anyway since you can’t pay child-support. An evolutionary dead-end indeed.

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I never knew that about the old testament marriage. But after all, why bring in the government to something which is legal.

In a way, that changes my view of shacking up. I think Ron Paul was right to say get the government out of marriage.

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Look up Rachel and Leah. They were sisters and a cousin came from far away seeking a wife. He had the hots for Rachel because her eyes were brilliant. Her dad told the lad that if he worked for 7 years he could have her for a wife.

He worked the 7 years and they had the marriage feast. But when it was time to shove them into the marital bed, which was how a marriage was performed in those days, the dad shoved in Leah. Need I say when day came and the lad realized he had been double-f**ked, he was angry. The dad said if he would agree to work another 7 years as soon as this marriage feast was over, he could have Rachel also.

There was no license, no government registrar.

Later, Catholic clergy reported they represented God on the planet, and that they had to decide who was married and who wasn’t.

Even later big governments decided they were the government and they could get a lot of money and power by controlling marriage. so, they decreed you were not really married unless you had the government license.

That is when marriage really turned to shit!

I did legal research for years as part of my counseling divorced fathers. I never found one word, ever, in the court rulings that anything in marriage exists except property rights. Nothing to do with any sacrament. Nothing to do with men getting anything in exchange for giving all that money to the wife. Simply who owned what.

And, in the end, it all comes down to the intention of transferring money from hard working ambitious men to lazy demanding women.

Let me clarify that last sentence. I know a few women who are not lazy and demanding. But, the laws are written as they are with the assumption that women are lazy and demanding.

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Will you give an example of how explicit the legal assumption is that women are lazy and demanding?

Also, could it instead be that the laws were written with the asumption that women were unable to provide for themselves…insinuating they aren’t our equals?

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First, fair warning that I do not engage in pissing contests, which means constant quarreling over semantics. The minute I realize that is what is happening, I am gone. If at some point you want to agree to disagree that is okay, too.

For many decades now, women have been in control of the political system. To be re-elected to any legislative post, a man must satisfy the women voters. If the men aren’t happy with him, but women are, he gets to go back.

To me both paragraphs in your posting say the same thing in a different way, once you understand how laws are passed today.

Women because they are lazy and demanding insist all these slavery laws be passed to give them protection against every conceivable problem, including their own adultery. And, their own decision not to work but have babies at the taxpayer’s expense.

And, the legislators assume women are inferior and cannot provide for themselves. So, they happily pass those laws and get re-elected.

that is, both things you mention are true at the same time.

Feminism has survived only because of sexism among men. Cops who arrest male victims of DV by a woman assume women can do no better, so make the man responsible for walking away from bullets and knife wounds.

Judges give large amounts of alimony and child support to lazy and demanding women because they assume women are inferior and cannot provide for themselves.

Women demand and accept large amounts of alimony and child support because they are lazy and demanding.

It was a divorced fellow worker who taught me the truth about women. She told me that when a woman says her ex- was a terrible fiend but she is cashing the checks she is lying. This woman said when she divorced one of her husbands, she told the judge not to order c/s because she was not going to cash the checks. She and the kids would starve before they would eat a bit of food he paid for.

To repeat, when a woman really thinks her ex- is a terrible person, she will not touch a cent he sends. if she cashes the checks, she is lying about how bad he is.

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Back before the institution of alimony, women were not allowed to vote, gain an education, work outside of a few low paying occupations, or own property. It was not unheard of for a husband to cast his wife from the family home into the streets after the children she bore to him were grown and out of the house. Alimony was intended to rectify the situation by stipulating that husbands would always be required to assume some financial responsibility for their wives. These were also times when upon the event of a divorce, the children went to the father, because he was assumed to be the parent better suited to work, and thus better able to support them. Society has changed considerably since those times, and modern western women are not hindered from reaching their full potential, and they are given every opportunity to do so. If feminists were serious about equality, they would be agreeable to limiting alimony to five years, to utterly repudiating the Tender Years and all similar doctrines intended to restrict a father’s equal access to his children, and they would be in favor of bringing full transparency to the utterly corrupt family court system, but everyone knows that they will never do any of this. Hence, the only winning move is not to play. MGTOW.

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You forgot something. Religious marriages were not part of some control freaks act, it was a cultural and family oriented event. Legal marriages are an abomination.

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The original marriage, ala Rachel and Leah, was indeed a cultural and family oriented event. In Mexico, they give full power to the couple themselves. So much so that to those not used to the culture it looks like shacking up. the difference is they are accepted as married once they make it clear that is their intention.

I like your view of legal marriages. Too true. It is strictly to give control to the government and not only does not add marital stability. It destroys marital stability.

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Good piece, but I have one minor modification:

“babies (if wife wasn’t made infertile by repeated gonorrhea infections)” should be:

“babies (if wife wasn’t made infertile by repeated gonorrhea infections — and/or doesn’t already have one or two terrors who turn you off from kids forever and who you’ll be paying for)

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Only an idiot would cuck himself that hard. Don’t pay for other men’s children anymore than you already have to (taxes).

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“that will be moot once the sun swallows the earth in a few billion years”

Not if we manage to colonize other planets.

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Considering we’ve gone from Horse-and-Buggy still being the fastest mode of land transportation in 1803 (first Railroad was 1804 in Wales) to Concorde Jets and Saturn V Rockets just 170 years later, we’ve got plenty of time to figure that out.

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Yeah lets develop the technology so we can fuck up more planets just like we did to earth. Human arrogance and passing on genes is the ultimate narcissism. Fuck having kids and being a slave just so you can pass on your genes.

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The only goal of our existence is to procreate. Everything else is just a byproduct of life. It’s in this context that I can agree with Pope Francis saying not having children is selfish. Not only do we owe it in payment to our ancestral lineage (do you realize the number of people it took to create you, it wasn’t just two), but it’s our duty to perpetuate our species.

If you look at predator/prey relationships, and the effect of extinction on the environment you’ll realize humans have a distinct role, one that we’ve yet to identify. Perhaps that role is to populate other planets with our own and other Earth species (animals/insects) because our planet is on a crash course with the sun. Perhaps mankind is the future Noah, and spaceships are our Ark.

While each species on Earth destroys the environment in its own particular way, it also facilitates / balances other life forms; yes, humans are destructive on a grand scale, and deplete natural resources, which I also disagree with. Still, consider that exploiting those resources will eventually allow us to habitate other planets / galaxies thereby saving humanity and other species from planetary destruction. And this cycle will forever repeat until a -lesser- organism, alien lifeform, or warfare amongst ourselves wipes us out; assuming we don’t destroy Earth, or it becomes uninhabitable first. Also, you must realize that while we’re destroying all of the other existing planets, new ones will be developing at the same time. Earth is 4.5 billion years old, by the time it hits the sun it will have been replaced.

Lastly, a main point you’ve overlooked in your belief that passing on genes is the “ultimate narcissism” is that you compare it to slavery, hence the reason you don’t want kids. So if having kids is akin to slavery, then it’s both illogical and selfless for anybody to have them (despite it probably being the most rewarding sacrifice people make). Whereas, since not having kids lets a person focus every moment and ounce of energy on their own wants and needs, that person truly fulfills the definition of “ultimate narcissism”.

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Although we have different philosophies, I appreciate your very well thought out reply. One of the better ,intelligent, well said comments. Have a good day.

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Thank you for your appreciative and complimentary response. My reply was a bit overboard because your comment gave me an opportunity to consider and expand my thoughts on the topic. For that, I’m very appreciative.

Our philosophies aren’t wholly different. While I wholeheartedly believe we are just animals so our purpose is to procreate…I also believe that since selflessness rewards us with feeling goodness (pride?) about ourselves, it’s really just another form of selfishness. Is it even possible for selflessness to exist, is it just selfishness in the guise of a so-called selflessness? No matter what we humans do, it’s derived from selfishness.

Which brings me back to mass relocation to another planet. I fear we’ll be extinct before then, we’re too shortsighted and selfish.

Good luck, and good night. smile

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there will be no new planets, there is the planets that are today in the universe but once they are out it’s over, and then the black holes will suck up all the universe and then eat each other and then recreate the “nothing” that produced our universe in the first place..
Black holes are out of time, out of space, out of anything our science will ever be able to imagine, even in fictions, no human ever created any entity more powerful than a real black hole, even our imagination is not deep enough to understand what it would take to beat a black hole, they are freaking gods, it’s impossible to survive them and it’s impossible to escape them.

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That was my thought as well. It’s almost an inevitability. Beside the fact that in a few billion years who knows what form we will be, and what our needs as living organisms will be.

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Like the sun!

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This sounds like a bunch of excuses made with the aim of dodging family responsibilities. With the amount of fuck notches Roosh has amassed it seems highly unlikely that he has not come across at least a handful of traditional nice women instilled with a certain degree of loyalty towards their husband.
Roosh should be honest with himself, and admit that he just doesnt want to settle down with one single women, no matter what her quality is.
He wants to perpetuate the cosmopolitan single bachelor lifestyle, as long as its possible. This is the essence of this post.

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His constant fucking around has probably ruined his ability to pair bond with another women and that is the problem of being a pump and dump playboy and treating sex as if it were candy or a toy to be played with, after you are burned out and bored sick of it what is next? The same thing always happens to sluts.

Now we know why patriarchy was invented and why human sexuality was regulated and controlled for thousands of years. When you mess with something that is complex and don’t understand fully you usually end of breaking it.

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Yes. I think this rootless cosmopolitan lifestyle, saturated with casual sex and superficial human relationships is starting to take a toll on his mental state.
Contrary to what he claims, I think that men also can be damaged mentally from indulging in to much casual sex. He is not only staring into the face of nihilism, but additionally has had his ability to form lasting relationships with depth severely impaired. If the only meaningful relationship you form with a woman is made with the intent of extracting sex, then the female is reduced to a mere Tool.
All other forms of interaction appear meaningless.
In a way this sort of lifestyle has taken control of him. Even if he wants to, he cant really quit it, since he has become addicted to it. So instead of facing up to this harsh reality, that he really has become ensnared in a faustian pact, he tries to make excuses. Rationalizing why women are worthless or marriage is dangerous or meaningless. It becomes easier to see through the smoke and mirrors once you have read a dozen or so of his personal articles.

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“then the female is reduced to a mere Tool.” = “Turn about is fair play.”

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You make it sound like marriage and lifelong cohabitation is the natural state of affairs for humans. Our genetic record reveals that we are descendants of roughly 80% women, and only 40% men. In fact we have reverted from the avant-garde concept of marriage back to the hunter-gatherer gender mechanisms that where a reality for hundreds of thousands of years. What has changed is technology. In those days Roosh would have filled the role of the successful alpha male, and would undoubtedly have impregnated many women. My point is that this behaviour is natural for a man, but is no longer yielding any reproductive success.

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It was the natural state of affairs of that portion of human history regarded as “civilization.”

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At what point was “civilization” ever a “natural state of affairs?”

While the sentiments that give rise to civilization– a love of reciprocity and fair-play, a desire for continuity, orderliness and predictable outcomes– are common amongst men, the behavioral restraints required are not as well-loved. This goes doubly… quintuply… sextadecadogoogol-tuply for women.

Hence, feminism. And the tragedy of female suffrage. The “problem with no name” is… civilization itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk01eeKMD_I

“It’s a cookbook!” Enjoy the decline. lol

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I have much respect for Roosh. However, by his own admission in his Bang book, he was a clear cut Beta in his early days. The prehistoric Beta very very rarely ever became a functional alpha who started fucking all of the females and magically just “got it.”

Even now men that begin as a beta rarely convert to anything resembling an alpha even when there are zero prehistoric threats such as violence.

Roosh would have been immediately killed by an alpha just due to his size alone.

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My point was really that lifelong cohabitaion and marriage is not a natural state of affairs for humans.
Roosh might not be a natural alpha, although size and physical strength are probably secondary to your mentality when it comes to the advanced social dynamic of humans. I would call for example Putin an apha male even though he`s not very tall.

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Women who have anything interesting to offer to you besides mating – Everyone claims they exist, but nobody has seen them.

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I do like Roosh and what that he’s done for the manosphere and neomasculinity but I think you nailed it on the head. I have a friend just like him that cant say in one city more than a year with amultitude of excuses for why nothing ever panned out for him. Roosh seems to be looking for that perfect chick but he’d find a way to not make it work out like that 10 he landed in the Ukraine. My ex friend does the same thing with his skillset and always seeing greener grass where ever he isn’t.

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“a year with amultitude of excuses for why nothing ever panned out for him. Roosh seems to be looking for that perfect chick but he’d find”

I doubt this respectfully. The one draw back about having a lot of girlfriends / sex is that one learns about the ugly true nature of women.

It is only inexperienced men who consider settling down.

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Do you guys (or girls) speak from experience, or are you just postulating with no credentials?

Also note that he provides caveats:
“… unless he has guaranteed legal protections from his wife and the state or he is beyond certain to have found a “unicorn” who will love him and only him until the end of her life.”
“… unless you manage not only to find a traditional woman in an increasingly nontraditional world but do so in the right country that doesn’t flip the switch against its male residents by treating them as undercover wife beaters.”

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“beyond certain”, is not a caveat, but a condition which will never be obtained. There are never any certanties in marriage, and there never was in former times either.
This will most certainly ensure that he never becomes married, and this despite the fact that there are several countries in the developed World which employ marriage Laws which are far less biased against the male compared to the US.
You need to read the articles far more critically and read between the lines.

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So you don’t speak from experience, especially Roosh’s level of it. Got it.

Also, I tend not to read between the lines for an agenda I’m looking for.

Finally, you must be new around here to suggest marriage in the developed world, even outside the US – which I assume you mean the first world, such as, Scandinavia, going by your handle.

Don’t worry, your traditional conservative white-knighting for the feminine imperative will be rewarded with friend-zoning.

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“Don’t worry, your traditional conservative white-knighting for the feminine imperative will be rewarded with friend-zoning.”

Omega male PUA degenerate insecure virgin faggot detected.

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lol

Looks like someone has to resort to name-calling since they can’t argue logically.

To everyone else reading this, Rollo Tomassi (The Rational Male) has a great post addressing these tradcons:

http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/16/why-marriage-needs-men/

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“Omega male PUA degenerate insecure virgin faggot”

haha at least he wins first prize in the word salad category …

Aryan Jesuite
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HA! Spider you forgot: small dick, bitter, can’t get laid, short, fat, old, bald, white man… does that about cover it? NEXT.

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Mother’s basement for the full house

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No, I’m just making an accurate observation based on your own words. Only whinny faggots such as yourself call it “name-calling”. You sound and act like a fucking feminist. Another Omega male with an empty life. Next.

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Am I to understand this post is your _denial_ of being a name caller? You should reread what you wrote.

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You a chick, 58x?

Spider58x
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I bet the doctor asked that same question about you when you were born.

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We’ll all take that as a yes.

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Besides sluts make much better fucks.

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Dear Jannik Thorsen, Spider58x and other criticisers of Roosh,

Why don’t you people offer some solutions instead of just attacking the messager of the bad news?

Of course MGTOW is a weak coping mechanism for the destructive influences that feminism and other ’68 influences have had on western society. A western, white man should NOT do exactly what the feminist movement is trying to achieve: to make the west refrain from reproduction and thereby destroying it. So in that sense MGTOW is weakness..

On the other hand.. the things that Roosh has discussed in his article are very real. It doesn’t matter what his life goals are.. he ignited a discussion.

And my question to you guys is:
Let’s suppose you are a guy who want to build a serious relationship instead of just fucking around and you do want to start a family. Then how do you solve the danger of being the dumbass who pays the ex-wife and children you will never see again for 25 years???

To be honest, what Roosh says then makes a lot more sense to me, then your bashing of MGTOWs!!
What do you guys suggest we do then, if Roosh doesn’t at least have a point. Just take the risk of divorce and becoming some slave to the divorce courts and your ex-wife??! You have to be kidding me…

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Because if women are degenerate marriage is dead, there is no sense in trying to fix a corpse. It has no pulse, no heartbeat, its brain is dead… As simple as that. If the woman is a non virgin slut, historically that has always been a deal-breaker except for the most desperate men. A woman like this is incapable of pair bonding with her husband (hence the wave of late divorces or extremely miserable marriages).

You gotta admit that the genius behind society wrecking is incredible…

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Thanks….my screen really needed a dose of coffee….Lol….

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What sort of fool learns solely (or even chiefly), from his own experiences, and not by what of others?

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Moron moron…The planet is grossly overpopulated by humans so why add to the earth’s burden ? And marriage is artificial created by religion and lawyers..All marriages end in death or divorce and almost everyone I know is married is miserable..Smarten up genius..And many of us are now too old to get married or have kids or have disabillties or no careers

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I didn’t particularly want to be tied down to one woman back when I was a virgin; but I understood (at least 20+ years ago) that society expected me to eventually sacrifice my male biological urge to impregnate every halfway attractive female I came across and settle down to build a family. [Luckily, I never succumbed to said societal pressure]. The thing is though, all males like variety, but we do not need to pair-bond in order to remain faithful and build a family. We can do it out of a sense of duty and applied dedication, much like we can for hitting the gym regularly, building a financial empire, or creating a harem. Roosh’s problem is not that he has lost the ability to pair-bond through overexposure to the effects of oxytocin; it is that he understands the legal dynamic and has been privy to the same repeated poor behavior and lack of marital skills through a myriad of women.

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it is simple folks. you have to have one wife. That does not mean you have to…..you know my dad, and people in his generation they had plenty of lovers, but only one family. That is what a real man do.

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Pass. Don’t really care what you think a real man is. Now fuck off.

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Keep letting your male hamster spin.

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Will do

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Roosh’s problem is that he most probably never had the ability to pair-bond to begin with. He is weak, emotionally numb, not compassionated.
Men who act poorly will attracted women who act poorly (well, some men also have a “thing” for the worst type of women out there for some reason). So he can only find “damaged” women as he is also a very damaged individual. Worst yet, most damaged people many times can’t see when someone else is good enough and will actually believe he/she is just as bad as they are, as tey know no better. And these types of people, as damaged and degenerate as Roosh, should never have a family.

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I dunno man. 2 surveys Ive seen that men dont lose pair bonding due to promiscuity like women.
Hence why we had whore houses then married virgins.
THough VK says its harder to love now that you go throught the motions.

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I banged a girl while my LTR was on vacation… This flag was hotter, fitter, more exotic, and quite fun to hang out with… But when my ex got back I didn’t feel any less for her. I truly missed her and was ready to settle back into an LTR with her.
Perhaps I am naturally beta but I generally prefer an ongoing romance to a bunch of random bangs. Now that I’m in my late-20s though that has changed.
I have a greater appreciation for the costs and risks that come with investing in a woman.

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I don’t know whether it’s your extremely punchable avatar, or your cringe-inducing posts, but you’re probably the most annoying poster on ROK and Rooshv.com. You’re basically the “male” version of a tumblrina. All your posts about “me me me me me muh women muh dik muh sex”. I hope you die, faggot. No one cares about your imaginary sex escapades, which are hardly believable since you post several times on every single damn article on ROK. You don’t trick anyone with your stories, you silly little maggot. Stop posting. No one appreciates your input or your opinions.

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If you think I’m making shit up I must be doing something right.

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I appreciate his opinions.

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When I was about 25 I had an amazing girlfriend who wanted to get married. I didn’t feel ready for that so I fucked around during my travels to Australia and then banged a fashion model. By the time I got my head screwed on straight she had moved on. She got married and had kids and seems to be living happily ever after. The most recent pic I have seen of her seems to indicate that she hasn’t changed much in 20 years. I am not much for having regrets, as it is largely a waste of time. I am going to wife up this week with a Chinese girl who is 14 years younger than me and I am pretty happy about that. However, my life would have been a lot different if I spent the last two decades with one fine woman rather than chasing tail half way around the world.

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Well, it seems like you are an old man now. Just remember not to ever procreate, then. Men past their 40’s (being generous here) have fucked up sperm and shouldn’t use it to bring another human being to the world, one that can suffer from the lower QI, bad healthy and even diseases you can pass with rotting old male sperm. Females in nature only carries the offspring of the strongest youthful males, even when they are older females themselves, even if they have to “cheat” on their partners if they are bonding species, for a extremely wise and important reason.
Take care.

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Such a premise has no base either in history of medicine. The standard for all human societies is older man younger woman, not vice-versa, either stone age Papua Guineans or men in the 20th century…

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ya ‘dodging family responsibilities’… just another degenerate character in need of reform. never mind the laws that destroy families, children and fathers – and how to live without making oneself meat for the family court / divorce industry grinder. ‘dodging family responsibility’ is like dodging a bullet – degenerate or not.

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Oh god yet another paranoid MGTOW fag who’s life is dictated by fear which forces you in a permeate state of arrested development. You people are like crabs in a bucket, always want to drag everyone else down with you with your pessimism, nihilism, anti-family, anti-society nonsense.You people have nothing to offer in the Red Pill/Manopshere/Self-Improvement community. Seriously just go away and stop attention whoring. Nobody wants you here. Grow the fuck up for once.

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u 2 stop fighting. We are in this together. And much of our thinking overlaps only difference is 1 wants to get laid and perhaps have kids despite the risks involved. But you cant blame em for going herbivore on us(though not recommended since we should pursue), if they work hard perhaps they can make it easier for us when they hit the courts on our favor.
its a hard call whos the bigger idiot, us wanting to get laid and procreate despite the unfairness or them for being unwilling to do it and just passively resisting.

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Define “We”.

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manopsherers/ redpillers/neo masculinity community
be it puas who want to get laid and have families

mgtows that are fed up and just drop out of society and just have fun

mras whom are basically male feminists that want the same treatment as women.

we all hate whats going on here but our solutions are different since deep down we all wish to have that tradional way of life again.

one is looking for the left overs and making the most of it like a vulture.(PUA)

the other stopped caring and rather watch it burn(MGTOW)

the other doesnt see those days coming back so he wants the same privledges under the new regime.(MRA)

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MRAs aren’t going to get new privileges under the new regime. Did they stop “yes means yes”? Did they stop the VAWA? The NFL commish nearly got sqauduched – not because he didn’t appease the feminists – BUT BECAUSE HE DIDN’T LICK THEIR BOOTS FAST ENOUGH.

Women are getting shorter and shorter sentences when compared to men – not longer and longer. Women now have the majority of jobs and are the fewest of homeless – BECAUSE VAGINA!

Women are only even concerned BECAUSE MEN ARE OPTING OUT OF RELATIONSHIPS WITH WOMEN. THAT’S THE ONLY REASON THEY EVEN NOTICE.

Countries are passing misadric laws – the globe over – faster than MRAs pick lint from their belly buttons. It’s not going to get better because MRA. It’s going to get much, much worse.

MGTOW is the only solution. Anything else is kowtowing to women and the feminist regime – who are already – in the US at least – the most privileged, man-hating, narcissistic and spoiled rotten gender on the planet – who are taking over all westernized nations – through man hating laws and policies as we write. IT IS WHITE KNIGHTS, SIMPS AND MANGINAS LIKE YOU THAT MAKE FEMINIST MAN HATING POSSIBLE.

Do you know how most of the riches women in the US got their money? Their dead fathers and husbands or their divorced, financially destroyed X husbands!

This isn’t some joke that you can pretend isn’t real. Hundreds of thousands of men are destroyed through relationships with women every single year.

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I never said it wasnt real. We already know that on here. No sense in getting emotional…defeated inept Manginas do that. MRAs do want those things but they aint active though. Thats the problem.
We are all guilty for this since we been indoctrinated into this at a young age. And anything against it we get into deep shit. Were all consumers that feed into this machine unless you on welfare. If we started boycotting western products that could be a start. Every dollar we work for gets taxed and will further hurt us by supporting this monster wich could even hurt the mgtow if he dont run or the mra cant hold his own or the pua if he dont make the safe choices.

Either path we take we lose. A mgtow can buy hookers and have fun but loses out on spreadin his seed. The pua gets to live on but he puts himself in a lot of risk however.
You can say the pua is needy for sex like the mgtow is a pussy to get out there like you can say pua is resilient and the mgtow is aloof. But that becomes individual motivation.

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” A mgtow can buy hookers and have fun but loses out on spreadin his seed.”

Man you’re a dope.

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u could always explain ur disagreement then be a fag about it

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“u could always explain ur disagreement then be a fag about it”

If you have to ask such a question, you wouldn’t understand the explanation.

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somethng one would say when they dont have a point to make

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One of the basics of militant feminism is it only succeeds in the presence of a substitute husband, usually in the form of a government welfare program.

Mexico has the same DV laws, the same marital rape laws, not the same divorce laws, but they are trying. But, it is not a misandrist nation.

My best friend explained it. She said if a man hits his wife, she can go to the cops and they will go and take him to jail.

Then about Wednesday, she realizes she is almost out of food. She panics and runs to the cops and begs them to let him go so he can go back to work.

Then she runs home and hides under the bed, because she well knows his first business when he gets out of jail. And, the bed in the road makes little difference in the color of her body when he has finished his first business. And, never again will she call the cops when he hits her.

Nor, most likely will any of her friends or neighbors.

Which countries? Mexico. El Salvador; Honduras; Colombia; maybe a couple other nations too poor for a check for lazy sluts who don’t want to work. NOT BELIZE. THAT WAS FORMERLY BRITISH HONDURAS AND ITS LAW IS BASED ON UK LAW.

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Disagree. USA has no welfare state, aside from increasing the propagation of non-white people. Even some homeless singles don’t apply. It’s strictly for single moms.
However, the most anti-male attitudes are from white women to their husbands. How can this be? It’s because the government, licensing boards, etc. makes men pay-up, even if they don’t have the money. Welfare state was a great development to help the people that created it. But with open borders, the elites got their dream come true: no more pesky first world male thinking he is entitled to money in exchange for work, and the third world imports will abuse it to oblivion–we are all back to the hell of the 1930s!

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And then there are people who realise culture and community aren’t just buzzwords.

One meets a slutbag in a club, indoctrination sextitution (uni), etc., and thinks any good will come of it?

What’s the failure rate for marriage between a male from intact family, to a female with both parents still married and at least 3 siblings, who all actually like each other, who have more than 3 children?

Please try to imagine slutty cumdumpsters who actually like and respect her father and brothers and sisters – anyone even know a skank like that?

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“We” : Women’s Entertainment – Also known as BS : Blame Shame. Have fun with that.

Clark Kent
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Are you married? OR planning to get married?

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Planning.

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Spider: “When i saw the tittle of this the first thing that came to mind is MGTOW. Those dweebs are actually proud of being emasculated genetic failures and being eternal adolescences that will never mature. They are just another byproduct of a failed civilization and are no use to men at all.”

Spider is saying “MGTOW are no use to men at all”… like a fly that doesn’t get caught is of no use to the Spider. MGTOW are of no use to WHICH men Spider?

MGTOW are very valuable to themselves and all other men who seek an option to being caught up in a web of hate, lies and manipulations. Spider might be a lawyer, a cop, a government employee, a social worker/probation officer/prison guard who doesn’t want to see his clientele diminish because, like a parasite, he’s dependent on the host for his survival. Or maybe you’re a father of un-wed daughters who has his head in the sand refusing to acknowledge the social, political, lawful and economic reality of the day because you want marriages and grand kids.

Same old song and dance : blame and shame are the tools white knight/manigna feminists like Spider use to manipulate men because facts, logic and reason show ‘him’ and ‘his’ feminist hate mongers as the parasites they really are. Spider chooses ad hominem attacks on men instead of looking at the laws of misandry because he can’t admit that his precious, ego-investment in feminism is an investment in a hate movement and which is at the root of societal and civil collapse. A parasite will die as soon as the host is gone… MGTOW is a direct threat to the hateful feminist parasite. That’s a good thing… Why does that bother you Spider?

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MGTOW has no purpose to anyone whatsoever. Does MGTOW make a man happier? NO. Does it make him smarter ? NO. Does it make him stronger? NO. Does MGTOW give men any real meaning or purpose in life? NO. Does it make him any better with women? NO. Does MGTOW make man any more successful in their careers? NO. Does MGTOW make men’s relationships any better? NO. MGTOW’s are living the exactly same lives they were doing before they discovered MGTOW. MGTOW gives men NOTHING except more problems to complain about(i.e laws they have no control over. ) MGTOW is not about achievement or self-improvement, it is about bitching and whinny about nothing but their own exaggerated fears. They are basicly a bunch of losers who have quit life because it is too hard for them. They are defeated in other words. They are basically a glass half empty type of people. They just want to drag all other men down with them. Why the fuck would i want to be apart of that?

BTW call them for what they are is not an “Ad hominem”. It’s you being an overly sensitive 9 year old girl in order to avoid owning up to your own flaws and failures as a man. You are the very definition of a child. Just i because it hurt your feelings doesn’t change the fact of the matter.

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So the only way to be happy in this life is to be in a relationship with a woman?

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Did i ever say that was the case?

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stamps feet and yells NO NO NO NO NO NO NO MGTOW MGTOW MGTOW !!!

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Your replies are getting worst with lest content overtime.

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Stop the making up fiction, aka known as lying. Many if not most MGTOW are indeed much happier. And, they are stronger in many ways.

MGTOW is in fact the only successful resistance to destructive misandry possible. Those who are so critical of MGTOW are those who don’t know the 50 year history of the men’s movemen. And, there is a 50 year history of the men’s movement.

Out of ignorance they assume that only big organizations with strong leaders can achieve anything. The minute men have any organization the whole world attacks that organization, and does not cease until they shut it down.

Men who one at a time choose to withdraw from the traditional role, that of service to women, have virtually destroyed marriage. Most women who are not married today will never marry.

People like Dalrock who are mathematically challenged look at current stats and assume that tells them that nothing is happening. It’s called driving by looking out the back window.

Any time you change the rate of something, the result down the road will be changed, too.

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Hedonism=/=Happiness. Stop being a troll.

Jerking off and Playing video games and crying about women isn’t an resistance to anything except for man children resisting adulthood itself. It’s pretty obvious that MGTOW an extreamty misable group of people as their constant whining about women clearly proves.

Yea men can withdraw for any adult responsibility and remain children in their mothers basement forever while pretending they are changing the system while they still pay their taxes.

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I am always amazed that the worst trolls always accuse anyone who disagrees with their B.S. of being a troll.

You repeat the standard feminist shaming language nonsense and imagine that you are thus debating. Nay, that you are winning the debate.

It involves special guts for a feminist, the biggest group of complainers and whiners on the planet, at the same time the most pampered and protected, to accuse men of whining.

It ‘s over. Ghandi said first they ignore you; then the laugh at you; then they fight with you; then you win. That is the current status of men in the Anglosphere today.

For 45 years they ignore the pleas for mercy from men. Then, not many years ago they laughed at us. Now, here you are fighting with us.s

Please carry on. Every insulting word; every word of shaming language; motivates men even more.

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You do know that “shaming language” existed long before feminist right? How is it shaming language if it is true? Calling people what they are isn’t “shaming” it telling the fucking truth no matter how anyone feels about. It’s called objectivity and self-honestly, an foreign concept for MGTOW man children I’m sure. The only thing MGTOW do is cry about women on the internet by their own admission via their own words and actions. It’s pathetic as all hell and female like. They are not “resiting” anything. It’s extremely naive to think that few men refusing to marry or have children is going to collapse the system especially when those same men are still paying their taxes(assuming their employed). If you really want to “drop out of the system” stop paying taxes and completely remove yourself form society if you have the balls, which i know for a fact that no MGTOW does. It’s pretty obvious that men that hate the concept of marriage only do so because they want to avoid the responsibility of being a father and everything that entails, proving themselves to be absolute manchildren. Fatherhood and Manhood can not be separate when you reject one you automatically reject the other. When grown men reject manhood they by default remain in a peter pan childlike state forever.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Aphorisms+Peter+Pan+Syndrome+

From here down took an excerpt from an article link(I suggest you read the entire thing) at the very end of this post:

It’s not high-status males who need to worry about divorce. It’s not those with natural swagger. It’s low-status males. This is why all those manosphere diatribes against marriage and how men shouldn’t marry always make the writer look bad, no matter how factually accurate their work may be. You can’t complain about the marriage market without looking like the kind of person who would get fleeced if you stepped into it.

What’s that old Oscar Wilde quote again?

“Do not speak ill of society…Only people who can’t get in do that.”

It’s not hard to see how that principles applies here.

What’s that? You’re worried about divorce? Ew. You must be the type of loser who has to worry about your woman leaving you.

So no, I am not afraid of marriage. I am not afraid of marrying the right woman if I find her. It sounds like blatant posturing to say it here, after all those words about how only low-status men are afraid of marriage, but it is true. I am not, and one day I probably will get married.

https://iamlegionnaire.wordpress.com/2015/04/22/unholy-matrimony/

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High status men need not fear divorce? We had an Arabian multi-billionaire wiped out in divorce a few years ago. She got billions of dollars from a US court.

And, there was also Sir Paul. Knighted by the Queen, few people are higher status than Sir Paul. She got fifty million dollars for cuckolding him.

But. perhaps you are higher status than either of those low-lifes, right? Hohoho hahaha heeheehee.

You said it is okay to use shaming language if it is the truth. Okay, fair enough. Your rules. My turn.

You are a standard textbook pompous arrogant conceited jackass. We see many of you in the men’s movement.. Chests puffed out, head held high, swaggering around, showing imagined superiority over mere mortal men in every step.

I call you guys THE GREAT AND WONDERFUL ME.

I remember a man much like you who called me for help one night. After the standard two hour session, I told him, “You need to work with other men to stand up for men’s rights.”

He said, “No! All other men deserve to be divorced. I do not. I am not going to work with men who deserved it. All other men should help me.” He was not joking.

I understood why she divorced him.

Me worried about divorce? I have been married 40 years in July. Yeah, probably any minute now my 73 year old wife will file. In a jurisdiction that does not have no-fault divorce. Hee, hee.

There are so many reasons you are a damned fool, based only on your own words. it is hard to know even where to start. I am most definitely not going to waste my time analyzing more than a little of your entire posting.

For example:

“It’s extremely naive to think that few men refusing to marry or have children is going to collapse the system especially when those same men are still paying their taxes(assuming their (sic) employed).”

You need to reach down, grab both ears and pull. “Few” men? Here are the marriage rates over the last 100 years or so.

Number of Marriages per 1,000
Unmarried Women Age 15 and
Older, by Year, United States:

1922 99 (found on Web)
1960 73.5
1961 72.2
1962 71.2
1963 73.4
1964 74.6
1965 75.0
1966 75.6
1967 76.4
1968 79.1
1969 80.0
1970 76.5
1972 77.9
1975 66.9
1977 63.6
1980 61.4
1983 59.9
1985 56.2
1987 55.7
1990 54.5
1991 54.2
1992 53.3
1993 52.3
1995 50.8
2000 46.5
2004 39.9
2007 39.2 (Rutgers 2009)
2008 37.4 (Rutgers 2009)
2009 36 (UVA 2010; project moved from Rutgers)
2010 32.9 State of our unions data
2011 31.1 (http://ncfmr.bgsu.edu/pdf/family_profiles/file131529.pdf)

So many men are refusing to marry that the government has chosen to stop publishing the figures after 2011 in hopes of deluding stupid men.

Hey, it works. Men like you have no clue at all, and assume in your own vivid imagination that only a few men have withdrawn from marriage.

Birth rate has dropped well below replacement levels. The only reason we have any significant number of births is the illegals are having lots of welfare babies.

Pompous arrogant conceited jackasses like you actually have a much higher divorce rate than average. If you have lotsa bucks, you can get a woman to marry you, since she knows she can wipe you out when she pulls the trigger. Women are very clever about faking it for a short time.

But, pompous arrogant fools do not make minimum standards as husbands. Men like you actually have a very high probability of dying with a SWAT team bullet in your brain. Please carry on.

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A “man” is a male with
masculinity. Men are not born, but forged through struggle, sacrifice
and time. Only a tiny minority of males ever become men.
The problem
with being “pro-male” is that most males are worthless sacks of lymph
fluid and H2O. They watch reality TV. They play video games in their
parents’ basements. They eat junk food, dress in clothes from Walmart,
and drink mass market beer. They don’t read anything aside from blogs,
don’t have any cool hobbies or interests, don’t do anything other than
the bare minimum to get by.

You think you’re men, but you’re just males.
It
takes going through the flames of hell and back to turn a male into a
man. I am aggressively pro-man because despite our differences, a man is
worthy of respect for his work and struggle. Being male is bestowed
upon you by mere virtue of being yanked out of your mother’s vagina;
being a man is a title you earn through merit. I’m not obligated to
respect anyone for just existing.

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Yes, as I said elsewhere, you assume you get to judge all men. At the same time that you tell me there is no significant MGTOW withdrawal from society, here you say most men have done so. So, which is it? Most men have, or no one has? Make up your mind.

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“adult responsibility?”–who is not seeing the forest for the trees at this point? Responsibility is reciprocal. Saying that, the powers that be obviously sold us down the river. It will be a fight to survive, women or no women.

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On one level I agree with you, but even those that wanted Western Civ destroyed were considered losers at one time.
Furthermore, no other male cohort in non-Western society has to deal with low-quality women, denigration in all media, outrageously high social expectations, etc. It really is another world ‘out there.’ Even the Jews have kept the destruction localized in our societies. No male rape in Israel…

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“Furthermore, no other male cohort in non-Western society has to deal with low-quality women”

If you don’t like a particular women then don’t fuck her. It’s that simple.

“denigration in all media”

Why do you even care? Turn off the TV and use the Internet for news and entrainment. Why do you even care what the mass sheep think of you anyways?

“outrageously high social expectations”

What social expectations? I don’t see any but an mass appeal to the lowest common denominator when everyone is “free” to engage in what ever anti-social, degenerate behavior they wish. The problem is that we don’t have any social expectations at all. You should really disengage from pop culture as pop culture is shit and is designed to appeal to idiots that have no sense of self or integrity whatsoever.

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You sure throw the word “fag” around a lot.. you talk about closet MRA’s also.. you are in the closet presumably, but not the MRA closet. I thought I was an angry person when I posted on here, but Jesus Christ.. you take the cake. You need a hug ?

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Because that is what I’m dealing with. Obviously.

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Perhaps. But then I wonder what good would be that desire be, even with a compliant/manageable woman, if wholly absent some sort of institutional back-up (no matter how small, even a small church), when she inevitably goes Eve on him?

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Who the fuck wants more responsibility ? Life is hard as it is.. let’s throw on some alimony and child support.. yeah! That will teach me responsibility ! Because you have no say in the matter if a woman wants to divorce you, and you are probably going to be paying for it.

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you nailed right on the head.

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He dont make excuses for himself. He makes excuses for the WESTERN man, as the title says.

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Not to mention that a “quality woman” wouldn’t even bother looking his way. Quality women are family-oriented, or so he says; imagine her family knowing about his lifestyle, or even worse, reading this blog. Would they ever accept him? No, never.
A quality feminine woman wants a quality masculine man. He has no quality nor traditional masculinity in any way. If his relationship with his parents and family is also bad or inexistent, that is actually already crossing the end of the road.

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When i saw the tittle of this the first thing that came to mind is MGTOW. Those dweebs are actually proud of being emasculated genetic failures and being eternal adolescences that will never mature. They are just another byproduct of a failed civilization and are no use to men at all.

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MGTOW is practically an inversion of feminism. Making sure that men remain in a childlike liberal state for the rest of their lives.

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Feminism is the destruction of men’s lives though misandric policy and law. MGTOW is denying feminists the power to destroy men through misandric policy and law.

You’re obviously a female – because your logic is that of a nine year old girl.

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“MGTOW is denying feminists the power to destroy men through misandric policy and law.”

How? They aren’t denying feminist anything as feminist are still doing what they have been doing for the past 50 years. MGTOW has brought ZERO change in that regard.

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What net gain have MRAs bought for men? Did they stop the VAWA – that has ruined millions of men’s lives? Did they stop ‘Yes Means Yes’, which will soon destroy the lives of who-knows-how-many male students?

Women are besting men in every area of life – thanks to man-hating laws and policies like ‘yes means yes’, the VAWA, Title IX, no-fault divorce, affirmative action, etc, etc, etc.

Who voted for these man hating laws and policies? Was it (a) feminsts, (b) the naive, cowardly, white knights, captain-save-a-hos and “MAN UP MEN” manginas of the patriarchy or (c) MGTOW?

Are you a part of (a) or (b) or (c)?

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When the fuck did even mention MRA’s? I love you switch the focus of subject in order to avoid the self evident and obvious fact that MGTOW HAS DONE NOTHING FOR MEN IN THE LEGAL ARENA. FACT! I also love you complete avoid the question i ask which is “How is MGTOW denying feminist any power in the government?” Everyone here already knows the answer, they haven’t at all. Shifting the goal post to irrevent MRA’s won’t change this fact.

Most your post has nothing to do with what said at all demonstrating MGTOW’s one and only talent in the world: Wasting everyone time, including their own.

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No, MGTOW has done none of those things. What it has done is freed millions of men from financial slavery to women. The thing that harms women the most.

And, every man who refuses to marry also misses the false sex abuse charges in divorce, and lifetime alimony and large amounts of child support for kids he can’t see. And, going to jail if he loses his job.

Feminists, nay, all women are scared shit-less of MGTOW. That is the only reason women like spider are here.

Hey, spider. Shaming language doesn’t work on MGTOW’s. they have been vaccinated.

Still I understand your desperation

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So before “MGTOW” men were obliged to marry and be the only providers in America. Okay then.
Living in fear of “false accusations” is really bizarre. Prenups exist, and for much longer than MGTOW. Most divorced men get at least joint custody when they ask for it.

Feminists/women only dislike the misogynist bullshit MGTOW like to spread. Go to any feminist blog, they are making fun of these idiots, haha.

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>>Living in fear of “false accusations” is really bizarre.

You are correct. Only informed men live in fear of false accusations.

Prenups existed long before MGTOW, no matter which definition of MGTOW you use, which depends upon your personal agenda. And, all the years they have been in existence, few men have found them enforceable when they really need one. Which is when he has a lot of assets and she has none and basically married him with anticipation of a profitable divorce.

Misogyny to a feminist means to criticize or disagree with any woman, ever.

I realize you aren’t real smart. Or, at least not in real contact with reality. But, if you were smart (ala Cyrano Bergerac) I would suggest you try to understand why feminists, with so much to do in their lives, would waste time, lots of time, (just as you are) making fun of men they view as having nothing important to say.

Since you make it clear, you are not real smart, let me spell it out. They are scared shitless of the entire MGTOW movement. All the men who have dropped out of marriage and dating or who have expatted.

A standard tool of feminists such as yourself, is to use shaming language and ridicule directed against men, because the traditional male can’t withstand female shaming and ridicule.

MGTOW and the entire manosphere train men to ignore that stupid childish shit such as you have posted. it’s called taking the Red Pill.

Thanks for creating an opportunity to give legal information to men. Most men don’t understand the words Joint custody.

In most states, the words “joint custody” are a charade. They give a man a divorce paper which says he has “joint legal custody” but of course Mama has “primary physical care.”

Half of the men still don’t get to see their kids very often.

Joint custody as I said above is just a charade so stupid judges (but I repeat myself) can tell angry men, hey idiot you have joint legal custody so what is your gripe. STFU and pay your child support.

To the other readers: This moron is a feminist and most likely a female feminist.

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Dude, I won’t read past the “see more”, hey lol.

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They are trolls.. don’t feed them.

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Maybe males like you deserve ~misadric policy~ for being misogynistic degenerates. That is okay with me.

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Need one remain a “child” simply by refusing to marry?

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I think you are using too wide a brush.
Sure there are men out there who just want to sit around playing video games, smoking pot, and making excuses.

But what about the eligible bachelor? What are his options if the state has become involved in practically every interaction with women? Bend over and accept that he might be disrespected and financially destroyed, all in the name of “being a responsible real man”?

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He can move to another country, which requires sacrifices and has it own risk and rewards. He and he alone can decide rater or not it is worth it. There isn’t “perfect risk free” option and there never has been. But that is just life isn’t it? What life ISN’T is running into a corner and giving up on life just because something bad MIGHT happen to you. That would be just anti-life defeatism.

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I’m pretty sure the tens upon tens of millions of men destroyed through divorce in the past 40+ years would disagree. I’m also pretty certain that the hundreds of thousands of financially destroyed divorced men that committed suicide in the past 40+ years would disagree as well – if they weren’t so dead that is.

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I can guarantee you that 95% of them were probably women pleasing beta males. Which part of what i said would they “disagree” with? If they believed that life was supposed to be some happy ending fairy tale then that is their problem. No one should invest too much hope in anything.

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pffft just a bunch of “woman pleasing beta males” and therefore completely disposable and inconsequential. what?

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They are ones who killed themselves. Not me. There issue, their problem.

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You nailed it Spider: There isn’t ‘perfect risk free’ option and there never has been. 0 or 1 take your pick there is no in-between. Off or On, Up or Down, Good or Bad, I win while you lose there is no mutually beneficial transaction – zero sum transactions are all that is… you are so perceptive.

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If you hate life that much then just kill yourself. Not my fucking problem.

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ya I know what your problem is ~ shaming and blaming men in order to coerce them into fitting your preconceived notions of manhood and reality both of which coincidentally fit the Feminine Imperative and a gynocentric society. YOU are the problem ~ another white knight mangina – the sooner men put you in your proper place as I have been doing here on this blog the sooner men will stop killing themselves when feminists like you throw them away.

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People who cry about “shaming” then to be the biggest loser of all. People who are secure with themselves tend to laugh of criticism since in their cases most likely the criticism isn’t true. You sure seem unable to do that and the reason why is obvious, because my criticism of MGTOW is completely on point and no amount of crying will never change that fact.

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‘crying loser’ … is that all you got? you’re obviously getting tired and it’s past your bedtime. I can tell you’ve run out of creative come backs so maybe tomorrow after a good nights sleep you can write some more creative ad hominem.

Something more entertaining ~ like this again:
“It’s you being an overly sensitive 9 year old girl in order to avoid owning up to your own flaws and failures as a man. You are the very definition of a child. Just i because it hurt your feelings doesn’t change the fact of the matter.”

That was a good one which begs the response “I know you are but war am I?”

Otherwise – if all your going to do is throw out the same old blame and shame then this just isn’t fun anymore.

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On whose point, spider? Not ours by any means.

What you do not understand because you are what radio men call Locked in Transmit is that most MGTOW do not ever post on the Web.

Lee formerly of DGM fame said there are around 2000 men who read the manosphere for every man who regularly posts there. As a femi troll you can’t see those numbers so assume they do not exist.

The principle reason men attack fiends like you when you try to derail blogs like this is because we understand why things go this bad.

Feminism started around 1965, if we ignore the real roots around 1850. It was immediately agreed by feminists and their obedient sycophants that men were not allowed in the discussion at all. Dr. Joyce Brothers was the go-to woman for articles explaining what men thought and felt.

And so it is to this day. Men are not allowed to speak out publicly on the latest sick f**k feminist plan. so, most of you man-haters have no idea what most men think and feel. You assume the decisions you and your coven made about the direction of society just simply has to be right, because it came out of your sick f**k brains. And, real men will always accept it.

You came here because you are scared shitless of the male refusal to continue to play house with you fiends. you would not bother to be here if you weren’t scare shitless.

It’s called Future Shock. which was made popular back in the 60’s. It means when change comes so fast people can’t keep up with it. After 50 years of dominating the US society and the political debate, you can’t handle the fact that men are no longer cooperating; no longer bowing and kissing your royal arse.

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So in other words you are an SJW who believe in the religion of “progress”. Got it.

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Lies as usual. Progress does not exist. Through many thousands of years of recorded history, societies flourished as long as men were in charge. And,, they collapsed as soon as women took over

It’s like the year cycle in the snow zone. Plants sprout and flourish as soon as spring comes. All summer long they grown and reproduce. When fall comes, they die and that’s it until next spring.

Ancients thousands of years ago reported that in Atlantis people could communicate over great distances, and could fly through the air. When that gigantic asteroid destroyed that nation it all shut down for thousands of years.

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Dude, I like your style.

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Um, thanks. Usually people just try to kick me in the n**s. I have been writing for publication usually as op-eds since 1978.

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Yea i already knew this. I am reactionary after all.

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The thing I like best about you, Spider when someone comes on and starts calling names the goal of the person he insulted is to show he is a fool. In your case I need not say a word.

In fact, MGTOW in its various forms has society rulers scared shitless. That is the reason for the attack on the manosphere. It is not especially important that you know this.

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Dude, almost no one has ever even herd of MGTOW so your idea that everyone is “scared” of MGTOW is fucking absurd. Nobody can “fear” what they don’t even know of. You heard is so far up you own asshole its incredible. Also nothing you wrote has anything to do with what i actually said. Keep Dogging the topic at hand.

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Okay now I understand where you are coming from. For the last 50 years, men like you came where men were actually doing something and fought and fought and fought until the workers walked away. And, the fighting was almost always a pissing contest. That is, fight over trivial semantics or even honest misunderstandings.

AVFM is the most successful organization in the history of the men’s movement over 50 years for one reason. They protect their workers. You go on AVFM and start with the fuck you’s and you are gone in a heart beat.

I have been active for quite a while. Unless you are pretty old, perhaps even before you were born.

I remember a long time ago when the phrase or motto Men Going Their Own Way started. It truly meant going your own way; not the way some pissant told you to go.

If a man truly understood the risks and realities of marriage and the divorce system, it even included marriage as a choice if that was your informed decision. What it meant was not to grow up expecting to marry and give your money to a woman and her kids with little in exchange just because that is what had always been done.

After one of the main boards broke up (they had around 2000 regular readers all over the world, I was one of the moderators in later years) several new boards were formed. One was called Men Going Their Own Way.

Several men on that board got big headed, and assumed they owned the phrase, though they did not originate it. And, concluded they could decide who was MGTOW and who wasn’t. Since they drove away everyone who disagreed with them, such as men who did decide to marry after serious thought, they also concluded that anyone who married was told to fuck off. Mostly what they do is quarrel, like you do.

AVFM does not accept their attempt to ‘own’ the name MGTOW and says you can be married and call yourself MGTOW.

Someone checked and MGTOW is not trademarked. They have pissed off enough people that if they try to trademark it, funds will be raised to get it canceled.

So, I am talking about the original definition of MGTOW, not the bastardized version you apparently think is correct.

Men are bailing on marriage. They are bailing on college debt. A significant number are only working enough to rent a small apartment and pay for Internet and food, thus avoiding taxes to be given to baby mamas. A man who follows such things told me that up to a million men a year are expatting the same as in England.

I recently posted the sharp drop in marriage rates in the US. So low the government has decided you don’t need to know how low it is. Marriage companies are hurting. A few big law firms specializing in divorce in big cities have gone bankrupt. Birth rate is way, way down. The only reason it’s not even lower is the illegals are having lots of babies.

So, you tell yourself whatever it is you choose to believe, or whatever you wish to call the phenomenon of men bailing on almost everything.

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You can tell when someone has been around the block and knows some shit.

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Thanks. I have been at this a long time. To be honest, my life has been defined by my 10 years of public activism between 1984 and 1993, including a totally pissed off op-ed to the local newspaper every 2 months for 15 years. And 20 hours a week counseling divorced men.

No brag. just fact. I knew way too much to live in the USA, and that is why I am in Mexico. My goal every year is to try to free at least one man from Amer-bitches.

That doesn’t sound like much of a ROI for the time I put in. But, to save at least one man from a terrible life or suicide every year is good enough for me.

My best year was when the entire staff of DGM-2 expatted. One of the two reasons men don’t expat is because they can’t visualize life in another nation. So I simply wrote day to day incidents about life here in rural Mexico.

The women. The neighbor kids I played with. Ordinary daily events. The owner, Lee finally went for a weekend to Guadalajara and when his job in the construction world ceased to exist he got his ESL certificate and no longer lives in the USA. The rest of the staff went different directions as well.

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I often think I would like to leave the country. American women are a big reason. Or not the individual women so much as the feminist gamed system. But I have dreams of renovating a family farm. I do not like the direction this country is going in. And even my own suburban plot, I have spend 10 years of fences, chicken coop, 15 fruit trees, trying to have a self-sufficient micro-farm. It is hard to walk away from sweat equity you have put so much into.

But I think the way to go is to get the hell out. I lived (and even married) overseas. My wife and I love suburban mini-farming. So for myself personally, I have no complaints.

But I think my son would do well to marry overseas. Will leave for his 2nd year long Asian trip abroad next year.

I visited the campus where he is in school. Univesirty bookstore prominently displayed window books were all about how evil men are.

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it has been a long time since anyone accused me of having mainstream opinions, heh, heh.

But, I am convinced that today men in the USA have reached the stage of Jews in Germany in 1920. It is time to declare an emergency and GTHO.

And, for the same reason. Feminists want to kill at least 95% of all men. That is the only original goal feminists had in 1965 that has not been met already. And, they are still saying that on the Web.

Jesse Ventura was taken by some men out into the wilderness in Western USA to show him some big fences in a large area. He agreed, based on his SEAL training, that those fences were designed to keep people IN, not OUT.

There is no valid reason to make large concentration camps out in the wilderness.

Feel free to laugh. That is what most Jews did in the 20’s when others were fleeing Germany.

So, how did Goebbels and company convince civilized Germans to slaughter Jewish men women and children?

It was easy. For over 30 years, do not ever miss an opportunity to portray them as evil vermin of the lowest class. Make up lies about them, and repeat them every day in every possible way.

Exactly what is being done to men in the USA and for the last 50 years.

Right now, most AW honestly believe that most men are evil. And, even worse so do other men. Check out a poster, spider, can’t remember if he is on this URL or ROK, and see what he thinks of all men but himself.

So, when it is ordered that men be put in the concentration camps. other men will help put them there and be proud of a job well done.

Just as cops today feel proud for arresting men who have been injured by a woman. And, feel proud for putting unemployed men in jail for not paying child support. And feel proud for putting a bullet in the brain of a man who won’t take no for an answer when he wants to see his own babies.

So, of course all the books in the U book store say all men are evil. That is the plan. Not only do they have a master plan to do that, but also have the population brainwashed to reject any mention of any conspiracy. Pretty clever, really.

I certainly hope your son is able to get a job in Asia and that he never comes back.

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I have heard Jesse Ventura and Alex JOnes talking about the FEMA camps. I think there could be something to it. But I personally do not see the feminists as being at the top of the pyramid. I see them more as useful idiots.

And when I say feminists, the ones who wield power are the academics with their ph d’s in cultural marxism. They are the ones that get to advise the bureacratic policy makers.

Some naive politicians hoped that if they caved and gave the feminists their gender studies departments, they would just go away. But they are using their pseudo “expertise” to advise politicians and especially bureaucratic policy makers.

Especially the latter. Becasue none of their policies could get passed with a democratic vote. But they can get their title 9 policies passed without ever a mainstream newspaper headline making a peep. Written in stealth.

Because it is increasingly policy writers that just work their way around the law.

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Yes what you call FEMA camps is what I am talking about. I just don’t buy the allegation that it is solely FEMA.

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“Feminine Imperative and a gynocentric society.”

Oh look another Social Justice Warrior fighting against all the “wrongs” and evils of imaginary abstract concepts he can’t even prove exist let alone prove that anyone else should give a shit about them at all. Continue on your hamster wheel.

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~ love you too Spider – g’night.

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That would mean giving up this culture and perhaps his faith, all for the promise of sex, companionship and children.

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culture, faith, sex, companionship and children… well 4 out of 5 is pretty good. I’ll leave it to you to conclude which 4 I have and you have a good night old-fashioned…

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“emasculated genetic failures”, “eternal adolescences”, “childlike”…

but not divorced and losing half their stuff, house, car, possessions, property and community property. Like paying off debts he didn’t even know he had incurred: [credit cards maxed out with statements going to his wife’s PO box… bank loans signed by wife who conveniently forged husband’s name… ]

‘eternal adolescences’ = Not arrested for false DV charges or false sexual abuse charges or false child abuse charges [all of which hold no legal penalty for the false accuser = ex wife while destroying the husband/father’s life].

“Childlike” = Not paying lawyers, court costs, penalties and fees to have his arrest record expunged and fight the ongoing divorce proceedings and custody hearings.

“emasculated genetic failures” = Not paying Child Support to kids he never sees and who have been turned against him because he never sees them since he’s working two or three jobs so as to stay current on CS payments and avoid further jail time… ya “emasculated genetic failures” who instead of tap dancing through the mine field of marriage stayed “child like” and never entered the field to start with… These “eternal adolescences” don’t even sign up for the war.

What’s the problem?

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So basically you live a life full of irrational fears and paranoia? Got it. Remain in your sand box forever.

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“…a life full of irrational fears and paranoia?”

With the exception of my grand parents, every single one of my family members, including aunts, uncles, parents, siblings and cousins have been divorced at least once. I’m the only male I’m aware of in my family (thus far – besides my grandfather) that made it to his fifties with a great shot at a healthy retirement.

If you call that irrational fear and paranioa, then I’ll take it.

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Do as you will. I’m just sharing my opinion.

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Who asked her opinion? Femi hags do this. They come on a blog or board when they can tell at a glance they are not welcome. then, emit every possible personal insult. Then whine when they get verbally slapped around.

I got called a troll by a troll on Matt Forney for answering back to her extreme insults. At no time did she ever supply any factual material of any kind, but criticized me for not supplying even more.But when I did supply more factual material, she would dismiss it as my rambling on.

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Who ask for your response? Dude shut up and stop being a fucking hypocrite.

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Spoken like someone that accidently or regrettably got pregnant…oops, sorry

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Good writing.. I couldn’t have said it better myself, damn. I work in Law Enforcement and I see this all the time. I have friends losing their retirements, houses, etc. And paying 600-800 a child, per month. It ruins them.. and we have had a lot of suicides.. maybe if they had someone to coach them and help them through it, or advised them beforehand not to get married etc, all this could have been avoided.

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Dude you are adhom’ing the fuck out of this thread. Your literally just name calling and bantering on. You sound like a feminist who’s off her rag. You talk all this shit yet you hide behind an avatar. If your gonna come out and throw names around at least have the fucking balls to put your mug on the post.

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“OMG my feeling are hurt OMG STOP HURTING ME!!!”

My goodness, i have never seen so many grown “men” whinny and bitching about women in my entire life. Single motherhood has obviously ruin modern men’s ability to mental and emotional mature. No wonder MGTOW exist. It is just an emotional crutch for men who have obviously failed at life in general. Are these emotional stunted MGTOW’s even capable of ever processing any serious argument i could make? From the response i have received so far the obviously answer is a resounding NO. I literally have to talk down to their level just to conversation with them.

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LOL, your totally a chick. I’ve argued with enough loser cat ladies on here to know when i’m dealing with one.

Your not making any arguments your just adhomming. Your not a fucking psychiatrist so stop all this ” emotional immaturity ” ” failed at life ” Bullshit.

Please do yourself a favor and find yourself some dick and get that sand out of your vagina.

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*cries about adhomming
* engages in adhomming afterwards

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theres not one adhominem in there. your a fucking moron. When I said you need some dick, by all means i’m serious. I think the sand in your vag really is unhealthy.

Other then that thank you for quietly affirming the fact you are some jaded dumpy woman trolling around on this site.

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Did your mom beat you as a child? Just wondering.

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Let me say it again. Your not a psychiatrist . Unless your going to put up some statistical data on MGTOW or whatever else your bantering about, then we’re done.

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Good. You MGTOW virgins faggots are fucking annoying.

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You probably got your ass whooped quite a bit in school. With a runny mouth like that. Go back to your cats and your keyboard sweetheart

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You mad bro?

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Yet your the one trolling all over the fucking page, you shitkicking pole smoker! Seriously GTFO if your gonna be some faggot keyboard warrior talking shit. If YOUR any kind of fucking man you’d know what im talking about.

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Yea, i can tell you mom beat the shit out of you as a child. You should get help for that.

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btw who the fuck is crying. Seriously you need to take your meds or something. Your levels of projection and delusion are off the chart.

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You and every other sensitive ass MGTOW’s, obviously. Get off the fucking meths, messes with your head.

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Agreed. I’ve been reading these posts with an amused grin on my face, wondering when Spider58x would finally overreach and out herself as a female (of the feminuts variety). Her last few posts did the trick.

Spider58x = feminist troll cat lady

Please ignore her.

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They are not asking you to have a conversation with them. They were here having a conversation with other men and you came busting in, and assume because vagina that your opinion was wanted.

I have been following the MGTOW movement. The real one which really means men going their own way, not the one which tells men what they must do to be MGTOW. I know men who have a million dollars in their retirement savings plan before age 50.

Your definition of men who haven’t failed is men who are in harness contributing to the benefit of woman hood.

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What are you even talking about? They respond to my comments i made to someone else who agrees with then THEY came busting crying about gynocenterism and other faggtory. Go at the first two comments i made here, neither of them were even a response to these man children. Do you ever read anything before you start runing your mouth.

“Your definition of men who haven’t failed is men who are in harness contributing to the benefit of woman hood.”

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“Anything a man does that doesn’t involve jacking off, playing video
games or crying on MGTOW forums he must be doing for either
gynocenterism or the female imparative. How do we know this, well
because we say so. “Proof and Evidence” is just a gynocentritc concept design to oppress men and keep them slaves to women and the female imperative. But we are not like SJW’s at all, we promise!!!! ”

-MGTOW

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Pay a woman $100K for surrogacy services and raise your child as a single father. If the economy eventually turns down again in the next 5 – 10 years, a man with money may have his pick of high-quality young women to choose from.

If this ever started to become mainstream, surrogacy would send a chill down the spine of women as they know what it means for them. And then expect legislative attempts to control or ban it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography

I was perusing this Divorce Demography wiki, and it appears that Ireland has a surprisingly low divorce rate. The women there are so-so, but it is a white (still, largely), english-speaking Western nation. Most of the other countries on the list with low divorce rates are what you’d expect – non-western, non-white, and/or underdevloped third world hell holes.

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The list I saw had Mexico second from lowest, second only to Colombia. I am glad you think Mexico is a hell hole though it is not. I don’t want a lot of Anglos moving into my region and screwing things up. Thanks for that.

The reason most men think Mexico is a hell hole is because the same MSM that tells us men are all evil also tells us that Mexico is a hell-hole.

I just read an Internet news article which was carefully written to give the opinion that Mexican auto industries pay so poorly that a single mom, carefully selected of course, couldn’t even buy a bed for her youngest daughter.

She didn’t even work for an assembly plant. She worked for a small parts maker who truly pays starvation wages. And, she clearly dropped out of school after primary school, and very clearly is an unwed mother. She is uneducated and lucky to have the job she has.

I live in a Third World mountain village, and view this as my own personal Paradise. It is not over material things such as the USA has. it is over how friendly the people are and how good life feels here.

The founders of the USA wrote about effeminate luxury. Living a soft life kills your masculinity. physically life here is not perfectly comfortable. that increases testosterone and makes you feel more like a man; not a limp wristed wimp as in the USA.

A tip few know. A year or two ago, a large survey company surveyed countries around the world to find out how happy the people were. Mexico came down as the happiest group of people in the world. No joke.

I suggest your opinion of hell-hole may be based on the feminist goals which dominate the USA.

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The high divorce rate in Russia is anamoly, because there are tons of deadbeat drunken loutish men there who have nothing to offer a woman in regards to peace or financial security.

Otherwise, Russian broads are still among the most fit, feminine, and wife-worthy White women that exist in the world today. They will be the last to succumb to western degeneracy because the size of the country and it’s language (which doesn’t use the Roman alphabet) keeps it very culturally distinct from the West.

Just Look at these fantastic girls doing a world-record Snowboarding session. The first chick got some ugly-ass tattoo’s on her arm, but otherwise (most) of the rest are solid all the way through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSE6ZdQL0pU

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Delusional Western men fantasizing about the mythical Russian unicorn women. First of all, Russian and Eastern European women age much faster and transmogrify into revolting beasts much quicker than Western women.

More feminine, traditional, and submissive? Vladimir Zhirinovsky has something to say about that.

Men must be biologically programmed with an instinctual desire to enslave themselves to women. No, thanks, you can keep your indentured servitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Lx4BFfQ3c

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Your 3 paragraphs were a healthy reminder. Thank you.

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You know who is in Ukraine right now ? This guy.. his paragraphs are spot on. Take it for what it is.

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yea, I just looked on your page today. I saw you left on the 17th for L’viv. Have fun there with your brother & stay safe. Looking forward to chatting with you later…

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” Vladimir Zhirinovsky has something to say about that.”

He sure can whine about his wife, but he’s not man enough to have selected a better wife, nor to have maintained frame, nor to regain frame, nor to just divorce her. He can do a “whipped” Al Bundy like “No Ma’am” rant though. Women were created to serve men, if you can’t rule your family, then you, the man, are the problem.

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Another name for One Man Army is cadaver. No man can rule in his own home with every other man in the world ready to pound on him for not obeying his wife. SWAT teams were developed for men who won’t obey.

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“Men must be biologically programmed with an instinctual desire to enslave themselves to women. No, thanks, you can keep your indentured servitude.”

Esther Vilar (The Manipulated Man) mentions mens instinct to seek out to be owned. And thanks for the reminder about eastern european women. I’ll bet anything the females shown in that video are probably hookers.

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“The high divorce rate in Russia is an anamoly, because there are tons of deadbeat, drunken, and loutish men there who have nothing to offer a woman in regards to peace or financial security”

I really hope you get divorce raped by your Russian princess to see whose fault it will be.

My god, do you even realize you are using the SAME argument as feminists do, you moron?
A woman divorces a man(as it happens in 80% of cases)? Feminists: “Well, it must be his fault, he was not paying attention to her, forgot to take her to Hawaii on vacation and did not buy that silver Lamborghini she has been promised. Give her half of the money now! It’s his fault!”
I am beginning to think that if the American women were not fat, smiled at you while filing the divorce papers and treated the husband with at least some respect, some of the hardcore “Manospherians” would happily give away half of their earnings, because well, she is hot. And polite! So what that she takes the half of what you earned with hard labour? Maybe she will give me a blowjob after couple of weeks!

What difference does it make who divorce rapes you? An entitled Russian bitch or fat American Stegosaurus? You still lose half of your money, you idiot!

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Not sure I understand. Isn’t Poland (or the Ukraine) still mostly traditional? Why not settle there and give it a go as you seem to like the place. Perhaps Eastern Europe will indeed Westernize, but not likely to the extent of the US (at least not in your lifetime).
I have kids but also live a pleasant lifestyle with women, a decent job and some free time for pursuits and fun. Kids really add to life if you are k-programmed (as you likely are). Once you have one you will not search for meaning.

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I asked myself the same question, until I realized that he is not interested in forming long term relationships with women what so ever. He is simply making up excuses.
And I dont believe he is k-programmed either. Or he at least has accustomed himself to a certain playboy lifestyle to such a degree that he has become addicted. Even if he wanted to give up the lifestyle, it would be very difficult for him to kick the habit.
A playboy fails to grasp the meaning of having children, all kids amount to is a nuisance that impedes his ability to screw around with as many women as possible.

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Fatherhood is expensive, has opportunity costs, limits freedom, demonstrates diminshing rights, requires cognitive dissonance & will not guarantee anyone happiness or health.

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To a certain degree, this is exactly what I tell friends and coworkers when they tell me i should have children.

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Your coworkers envy your lifestyle, Mr. H. Yes, there are some precious moments they have with their kids & they love them & would do anything for them. But I know many people that wish they could cryogenically freeze their kids until later in life…

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It’s only women who tell me this. I counter and tell them how much fun and stress-free my life is.

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Ask your female coworkers if they’d like to help you practice…

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Haha! Right!

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Having children and being a father clearly requires certain sacrifices.
But it might be the kind of sacrifice that is worth the cost.

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“There are no loftier heights to climb than your own independence and individual pursuits.”

My Grandmother (OTB Italian lady (yes, lady, not just a ‘woman’) used to say: “Better to be alone and content than in bad company.” Apparently, she saw the future, especially in terms of male/female relationships.

I’m content that I’ll die alone. And barring disease or another unforeseen malady, when that time comes, I’ll be happy that I wasn’t chained down and lived mostly how I wanted. I view my independence as my individual pursuit to a happy and successful life.

I don’t see myself having kids, because that’s the biggest risk any man can take in giving up his independence. If I lived in another time, sure, I’d be married with a couple of kids running around. But these days? No fucking way. Even the “unicorns” know how to fuck you over at a rapid rate; they can transform from “unicorn” to “dragon” real quick. No thanks.

Ultimately you play the hand that you’re dealt. We live in a time of rapid societal decline and collapse. How we, as thinking men, overcome that is what we’re about. Those are our higher pursuits and ultimate legacies.

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The pitiful economic prospects and ways to earn a sufficient and reliable income these days for the masses is a gargantuan problem, and a major reason why so few men are marrying or having kids.

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My grandmother told me to never marry. She said to “just live with her for a while”. I think she was the one women that really ever cared about me.

The moment Reagan signed off on no-fault divorce, marriage became a racket for women to redistribute their husbands wealth to themselves. From that point forward, the divorce rate soared. California, after four straight reporting periods of a 75% divorce rate, stopped reporting their divorce stats. They haven’t reported for over two decades now, which falsely lowers the national divorce rate. Combine that with the ‘sexual revolution’ and the feminist inspired demonization of men and marriage is rightfully dying.

Marriage, through divorce, has destroyed countless millions of men’s financial lives (98% of alimony/child support paid from men to women) and resulted in hundreds of thousands of male suicides (only male suicide rate goes up after divorce – not women’s).

The only way to fix ‘the problem’ is to be honest about the cause. As that will NEVER happen, bye-bye marriage. Gynocentrists ARE NOT going to give up all of the privileges women have over men. It won’t be long before the government forces marriage after X number of months of cohabitation. They’re already trying to do this in the EU with the ‘Cohabitation Rights Bill’. In some countries – you’re already married after X number of months of cohabitation – so fewer and fewer cohabit. What this means is that, in addition to marriage dying, so will cohabitation (beyond X number of months).

The future for all Westernized nations is that of Japan. Soon, the feeder nations we use to prop up the low birth rates in the US will be infected by feminism as well. Then, the pool of potential new immigrants (low wage slaves) will die out. Singapore, Hong Kong, the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Canada, Japan, pretty much all of the EU, the US, Iran, India – are all undergoing a transition to extreme gynocentrism (feminism). It’s getting to the point where all men will need to wear body cams one day – not just the cops.

Having said all of the above, I’m grateful that it’s no longer a social expectation to marry and have kids. It would make me sick to give someone the power to destroy my life through such a corrupt and outdated institution as marriage. I guess I owe feminists a thank you for that one. At 50, my retirement funds are already good to go and I never have to worry about loosing that piece of mind in a divorce. I’ve read too many stories by men 40 and up that have to start from scratch on their retirement funds as a result of divorce. Not me. Not ever.

Don’t get married men! From the moment you sign that dotted line – you are owned. Never, ever give that kind of power to anyone – especially a woman. Hades hath no wrath like that of a woman.

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Bravo, great writing ! The truth hath been spoken!

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The cohabitation laws also fuck you over from sharing rent and getting regular sex which was the whole point behind the invention of technical mastery of “game”, to save on bills and get your dick sucked so that you can get ahead in life pun not intended

Now if you try such an arrangement, after 6 months they are entitled to all of your money

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It’s more like a year if you are stupid enough to shack up with a single mom, and generally 2 years to be deemed “common law”. That’s in Canada anyways. In most jurisdictions property division did not apply to common law marriages but, beginning in Manitoba, that has been changing across the country.

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In Australia it’s even worse. Even *without* cohabitation, a male can be ordered to pay support to an ex-girlfriend if the court finds that their relationship was “sufficiently serious”

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In my research over the years I found one state that had no time minimum for cohabitation to be considered as married (but only for divorce property settlement purposes). It was Iowa, the state west of Illinois. In Iowa, the last time I checked if you hold yourself out as married, or she does and you do not instantly deny it, she can take you to the cleaners.

Even if you never saw her before and never had sex with her.

You are walking down the street and a woman walks up to you, and shouts to the people standing nearby, “This man is my husband.” And, you do not vigorously deny being her husband, if she can prove this happened she can file for property settlement and alimony et al.

I do not know if that is still true. I do not go back every year and review law changes.

Examples given were checking into a hotel and signing in as husband and wife.

Note people say this makes you married. it does not such thing. If you have announced you are married and want a marriage certificate and go to the marriage registrar petitioning for the certificate you will be told to get a marriage license and have a ceremony performed as required by the law.

All this common law b.s. does is allow her to petition for a property divorce settlement.

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A few years ago, a men’s group filed an FOI request with the state of California. the state would not give them the numbers but did supply the long list of names. They had volunteers count the names. It turned out for each 1000 marriages in a given year in California, that year there were 780 divorces.

For all practical purposes, to marry in California is to divorce.

In the 90’s a group of feminist social workers did a study. They asked a significant number of married women if they were very happy; happy; neutral; unhappy; or very unhappy in their marriages.

They noted all the women who said they were unhappy or very unhappy and five years later looked them up.

Nearly All who had divorced were still miserable. Nearly All who did not divorce were now happy or very happy in their marriages. These feminists concluded that there was no valid reason for the divorces, except temporary unhappiness.

Today people like me who spent years counseling divorced men all understand that most divorce is caused by sexual boredom, period.

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I’d say our mission in life now isn’t so much raising children, but battling the existing madness which has gripped our societies.

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What’s occurring in a sense, makes sense. Not from the perspective of how men’s rights are stripped away as women’s are elevated to do-no-wrong status. But realistically, at 7.3 B people, we’re not in dire need of population increases. And a quality population was best increased in the traditional household, which is disappearing rapidly en masse.

What’s especially perturbing is how the kids raised by these heathen mothers, using the courts to strip away quality Dad-time and influence, will affect society. I think we’re somewhat seeing it by part of Gen Y (Gen ?). Gen Z will be a nightmare I predict. Not only will they have entitlement syndrome, but also a more aggressive SJW overtone. I digress however, as no one can perfectly predict the future.

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You are right. Over the years I made many predictions, and many did not happen. I studied over the years, and learned that what seems so probable fails because unexpected things happened.

It seems logical that the feminist destruction of men will continue unabated. But, already the marriage strike MGTOW movement is making that destruction nearly impossible.

And, if our creditor nations pull the plug on our trillions of dollars debt level, it all goes away forever. child support and rape agencies take a lot of real cash to operate and when the money stops, all that destruction stops with it.

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Not to mention if a major solar flare such as they had in the late 1800’s takes out the electrical system and the computers the whole government shuts down. Back to the Stone Ages in 15 seconds without warning.

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This is a pretty good piece of writing Roosh, just like most other you post. However, and with all due respect, your comments about the recent legislation in Poland only expose how ignorant you are about the topic.

As a former communist country Poland inherited a serious social problem of alcoholism and domestic violence. Having grown up in a rich American city, you probably have no idea about it. Maybe you would if you had an alcoholic in your own close family. Or maybe you would if you had been raised in one of the giant socialist apartment complexes, where the walls are so thin that you can easily hear your neighbors’ fights every night.

I don’t want to discredit your point, I’m just as worried about the manners and bad attitude that Polish girls have been adopting. But this country really needs to free itself from the rule of old homosexual perverts (i.e. catholic priests), and primitive drunks (most politicians) who deserve to be called anything, but alpha males.

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Roosh,

You forgot option number 3:

Not to play the game and live a life in solitude like Thoreau did in America. I’m not saying to never have sex or wife but off the grid. You can also learn cool new skills like scuba diving, pilot airplane or helicopter training and more.

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It’s a pity we can’t simply beam back to our starship and warp off to greener pastures and fresh alien pussy.

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Green chicks rock!

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Two thoughts came to mind.

Firstly, appeals to tradition mean nothing. ‘Because humans did X 1000 years ago’ is not a convincing argument for why we should keep doing it or go back to doing it.

Secondly, ‘traditional values’ (of family, childrearing, role of women etc) can lead to unhappiness just as much as ‘modern western values’ which you decry.

Let’s take a country like Saudi Arabia, with its low divorce rate. I think we can both agree that the divorce rate is low in Saudi Arabia because, if you’re a woman, you’ll probably be like murdered by your husband if you ever fuck up. Or even if you don’t fuck up. My point is, women are put in a position where they are pressured by their culture to not divorce.

Even if their husband beats them.

Even if they’re unhappy in their marriage (sometimes, two people just aren’t meant for each other, and marriage can’t change that fact).

How is that freedom? How is that something that you would want a society to aspire to?

People are either happy in their life situation, or they’re not.

Sure, you could argue that smartphones etc have made western women so much more unfaithful because of FOMO, but we can’t pretend that the ‘grandma and grandpa have been married for 60 years happily’ is a common, or even realistic, scenario to aspire to.

Maybe your grandma and grandpa were actually unhappy, but your grandma put up with her situation because if she got divorced she’d be homeless and starving. Maybe they just learned to live together as some kind of married stockholm syndrome. Who knows. Either way, I’m wholly unconvinced that the ideals of human interaction you talk about in your blog posts are realistic or desirable at all.

Thoughts?

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I’d be way more likely to beat a women to death in divorce than in marriage. I can see why men go on killing sprees following divorce. Can you imagine having to start over again financially at 40 or 50 or 60, while your wife is screwing the local bar tender or recently released felon – laughing in your face – all with your financial blessing and continued, court enforced, financial support? Can you imagine how emasculating and humiliating that would be?! I can guarantee you I’d become a wife beating murderer if a woman ever put me in that position. I honestly don’t understand how so many men put up with it. What amazes me is that more men don’t murder their X wives. 98% of alimony and child support goes from men to women. Women file the majority of divorces. Men’s suicide rate goes way up following divorce – while women’s suicide rate remains unchanged.

Marriage is nothing more than a corrupt outdated institution now. The saying that marriage was slavery for women was totally false. The reason so many men beat their wives is because they know if they divorce them they’ll lose everything. I’ve heard women say that the only reason more women don’t kill their husbands is thanks to no-fault divorce – because they can get the man’s wallet without having to put up with the man. Marriage gives the less successful spouse enormous power to destroy the more successful spouse – so you either marry way up as a man or you don’t get married. It’s that simple. Anything else could easily become assisted suicide.

Look at all of the unbelievably wealthy men paying out millions – and in some cases billions – sometimes getting screwed even worse years or decades after their divorces were finalized – by the same X wives they thought they were already done with coming back for another bite at the apple! It’s a sick, man-hating, gynocentric world. What’s worse – it’s way more difficult for the average man, when compared to a rich man, to cope with the financial aspects of divorce.

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Women love these felons.. something about fucking some dirty inmate with SUR or 88 tattooed on him, just gets their juices flowing. Boggles the mind.

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I’m really surprised by the fact that divorce rates are higher in Russia than USA

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Shhh! Don’t tell that to idiot Russophillic twats here. Let them still fantasize about mythical Russian “traditional” models who are not touched by evil feminism!

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Roosh actually touches on that in the article above:

“Western values from America are spreading so rapidly that a 22-year-old Brazilian, Polish, or Thai girl is worse at being a wife than her sister only five years older.”

That being said, if you’re going to get divorced, it may as well be to a woman who isn’t obese (yet): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_map_of_Female_Obesity,_2008.svg

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Divorce rates have always been high in Russia, even before Western entitlement culture settled in. Do you honestly believe that of all the nations, backward Russia would adopt western values the quickest? Come on.

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I’m in Ukraine right now.. trust me, it’s spreading like wildfire.. get it while the gettings good, because we had our years of feast, and famine is fast approaching.

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I stopped with pick-up game overseas 3 years ago after one bad trip where I got hustled & later ran out of time.

The problem is that I am not willing to expat & it’s nerve racking & self-pressuring when you have “x amount of days” to accomplish your personal mission(s).

I pipe-line & organize a couple girls in advance. Then go spend time with a local native that will actually end-up saving you $ abroad & all but give you the guarantee of intimacy while simultaneously relieving you the pressures of gaming girls that may or may not speak your language & may or may not be in a relationship already.

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Right, lets make a blanket judgment about an entire population in less than a week based on women hanging around in bars looking for one-night stands = lol

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Russia looks less crazy, because the Commies took power by force, not by PC cultural subversion. But 70 years of communism has had its effect. (and even before the Revolution, humanistic ideas had already begun to change society, as they had elsewhere.) What’s left, is a relatively poor, closed society which, if it opened up and became richer, wouldn’t have far to travel before it reached our state of crazy. As it stands, it’s just degenerate… drunk and promiscuous, with divorce and abortion rampant.

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Yeah, Russki ho’s would suck one off for a pack of Marlboros and fuck if you threw in a loaf of bread.

As opposed to Americunts who’ll lick an asshole for a line of coke.

Better red than dead, my ass.

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Gents,
I can tell you from experience what happens w/ scenarios 2 & 3. I live in California & married a very smart & attractive Russian 10 years ago & we have 2 kids. Before that I was an expat in Western Europe for 8 years with 2 long-term girlfriends there before meeting her. Expat relationships in countries where you are not fluent in the language is very hard, because in social situations it’s difficult to interact. Sluts don’t care about your social graces, but good girls are grounded in their families so you are either all in w/ the culture & language or not. Very simple, that’s why I didn’t stay with the first two. I live scenario 2 & it’s not perfect, but it works because I got lucky & found a girl that values her family over ego. One thing I did that worked was to get along with her mom & bring her here- this woman helps with the kids & keeps her grounded. Again, it is a lot of work & it’s not for everyone, but it is possible.

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Here in rural Mexico if your wife’s family accepts you as a family member, your fortune is made. The fact that my wife’s family accepts me as a family member is part of the reason I view my life here as my Personal Paradise.

Two times over the 40 years we have been married my wife contemplated something bad, though not necessarily divorce. It was her family who lowered the boom on it.

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This is a thought provoking piece with really good points but seems too pessimistic and nihilist for my tastes. There are more ways for a man to grow and find meaning beyond making money, banging broads for a higher notch count, marriage or even fatherhood. This may be done through starting a business that adds value to the world, or helping other men grow and mentoring them, or leaving a legacy through creating art instead of biological reproduction. It can be argued that life is inherently meaningless and it’s up to each man to define and do things with his life that is meaningful to him.

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“pleasant lifestyle and individual freedom”–wishful thinking.You cannot believe that,as the enemy take over all the reins of power,you are going to be left alone to live a life of bliss.I would bet on it that,in a few years,you will need to obtain feminist permission to holiday abroad and,any overstaying will be met with a similar stay in one of those nice re-education camps.

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They’re pushing the “Cohabitation Rights Bill” in the UK as we write. Forced marriage after X number of months of cohabitation. The feminists and white knights of the UK parliament have already made it clear that the law is being pushed to protect women’s rights in cohabitation and to give cohabiting women rights to alimony and asset division upon breakup. The India high court JUST made this the law of the land and several other countries recently put such laws into place. It won’t be long before the same happens in the US.

You are correct that men are kidding themselves if they think women and white knights aren’t going to punish bachelors like crazy people. “Yes Means Yes” is just the latest taste of removing men’s rights and leaving them wide open to civil suits and false accusations. It is going to get very, very bad for men in the not too distant future.

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In Canada you are legally “common law married” after living with a woman for 1 or 2 years. I forgot which it was.

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You shouldn’t be cohabitating with nor wifing up girls in Canada anyways. You can get around it by structuring yourself as a non-resident but why bother?

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Here are some charts demonstrating the trend, you can make some projections of the future by judging from this analysis: A very smooth trajectory, by 2025-2032 the marriage rate will be 1 in 5 (20%)

Since the trend has momentum, you WILL NOT find a marriageable woman in your life-time, and most currently married men, will be divorcing soon, The decline involves collapsing marriages, and men not getting married, so men will soon exponentially getting divorced, and men who never married wouldn’t dare bet their sanity/finances on it

If i were a married man, i would fear the trend, i wouldn’t waste my life with the woman and hope it all works out, Women initiate 80% of divorces! Get out now before she takes you for more money

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What happens when we have a society filled with children born from single women? It won’t be pretty.

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N. America and Euro already do. Once the father is booted (or never there in the first place) it’s the same or worse.

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Here are the latest, 2011, figures from my HD.

Number of Marriages per 1,000
Unmarried Women Age 15 and
Older, by Year, United States:

1922 99 (found on Web)
1960 73.5
1961 72.2
1962 71.2
1963 73.4
1964 74.6
1965 75.0
1966 75.6
1967 76.4
1968 79.1
1969 80.0
1970 76.5
1972 77.9
1975 66.9
1977 63.6
1980 61.4
1983 59.9
1985 56.2
1987 55.7
1990 54.5
1991 54.2
1992 53.3
1993 52.3
1995 50.8
2000 46.5
2004 39.9
2007 39.2 (Rutgers 2009)
2008 37.4 (Rutgers 2009)
2009 36 (UVA 2010; project moved from Rutgers)
2010 32.9 State of our unions data
2011 31.1 (http://ncfmr.bgsu.edu/pdf/family_profiles/file131529.pdf)

No one anywhere has reported figures since 2011. My personal belief is it has continued to plummet since 2011.

At that time, UK was around 18, and NZ was around 28.

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I did #3 and it has worked beautiful so far (knock on wood). With regards to the anti-male laws that creep into these countries, it’s definately something to keep an eye on.

However, I think for things to fully go to shit, you need the support of the masses. One of reasons the US has gone into the toilet is because your average gal has now adopted feminist thinking: cannot cook, believes in pay gap differences, etc. There will always be nutcases in every country. However, what does the average girl on the street think?

IMO…When the average girl starts repeating feminist talking points, the nation is officially dead for marriage-minded men. Then, it’s only good for collecting notches and adding flags.

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In some areas it is already like that.

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Very true.

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Great piece of work Roosh. And don’t listen to the attacks, these are synonymous of that you are telling the truth.

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I’ve got something I think you guys will find really entertaining… Below is the first few audio book chapters of a science fiction novel I’m writing about biohacking and ‘game’ in the near future.

NO. I’m not spamming or trolling RooshV here, my science fiction story delves alegorically into the themes RooshV articulates so concisely in this article and I thought somebody would find this related red pill fiction thought provoking. We did something out of the ordinary with the narration. Give the first chapter a listen here:

https://www.mixcloud.com/jroseland/a-post-opps-devolution-1-support

This is just a rough draft of the science fiction novel… Hope to hear some constructive feedback!

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for option 3 is still hard since good traditional girls dont marry foreigners especially if they are western or white. They marry their own. We get the ones that are typically alil older more liberal and less traditional. In some ways not as bad here but it brings new challenges. Lets not get swept up by the ol’ grass is greener on the other side and put em on a pedestal.

Ive seen white guys here(option 2 men) even good lookin young ones that got rolled at home and divorced raped by their foreign wives even the FILIPINO ONES. And theya re seen as the nicest women one could ask for.

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You will never be able to build a social circle in order to gain access to high quality women, and you will continue to ply your trade in solitude on club skanks in poor, third world countries. Having a child is an amazing experience. But don’t worry. Your depressive prone, Asperger gene will end as you will produce no offspring. Evolution is cruel, but so efficient.

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Evolution is cruel, but so efficient.

well more like socialization. Cause evolution would technically make us into bigger stronger faster rapists and not care about morality.

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Roosh has been too negative lately. He needs trt and to get away from those grey skies and fatalists in EE.

Go somewhere sunny with friendly, feminine girls and report back Roosh. It seems like the Philippines, Mexico, Indonesia, or Colombia are calling your name very loudly.

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Leave for Boracay, Philippines this Saturday

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Yeah dude Inremeber that smokin brunette you posted from UA. I’ve learned from RVF and others Cebu is a good place. Fisto from RVF would be the expert on SEA but from what I’ve read Cebu is best (Davao backwards ass and slow, Manilla mixed from upscale to really ghetto, Cebu is a fun beach town like San Diego or Miami.

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I was thinking PI as my new destination also

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Roosh
The CFR/RIAA types of elites designed the game to be this way and all their propaganda them and Hollywood with the CIA put out in pop culture for the masses to consume has an agenda. The druggie 60s and Beatles had a purpose, the 70s feminism had a purpose- you can’t run an Animal Farm with free intelligent animals about the farm. Corrupt and break down to control-from the media to corporatism to mainstream pop culture to education- it’s all the same.

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Saudi Arabia: 1.1
Serbia: 1.1
Mexico: 0.8
Colombia: 0.2

wow that moment when even the most conservative nation on the planet can still get you divorce raped, guess theres a reason why latinas are popular.
hell read in a book that some rich arabs chase after girls in brazil with their western male friends.

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Don’t be fooled by Colombia’s divorce rates, that country if full of single mothers and shady promiscuous gold diggers. Colombianas may be the hottest the the world has to offer but you’re not supposed to marry them.

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Do not ever marry by the law. In Mexico, it is very common to have a private marriage, known as Free Union. The difference between that and shacking up is the couple truly views themselves as married. Shack-ups tell you right out they are not married.

A few years ago, my wife’s aunt and uncle died within 72 hours after being privately married for over 70 years.

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when you goto eastern nations like russia and east asia its all about money. Middle east and indians take that to another level that you wont be able to handle man

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Actually the prettiest women in south america are argentine women, but they are probably the most cuntassed in the entire world. Don’t even bother.

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Ha ha. I believe it. A lot of people paint Brazilian women with the same brush but there is ALL kinds of diversity. The cuntiest are the Italian blooded girls in Sao Paulo. I bet very similar to Argentine super princesses of European extraction. There is a lot of racial arrogance in Brazil though it’s given a clean bill of health racially.

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Men need to stop placing their self-esteem and identity at the feet of women. You are not “more of a man” simply because you have a wife and children. The traditional days of the 50s were never good for men. For decades, men have been financial slaves to women. The best place a man can be is free of the power that women will gladly use to emasculate men when women don’t get their way. The best days for men were when the women got thrown in the streets and the man’s life stayed in tact when she screwed him over. Today, it’s the opposite. She cheats on you, cuckolds you and is then permitted to legally destroy you financially, legally, emotionally, psychologically, physically and spiritually. Now you get thrown in the streets. Some ignoramuses on here call these destroyed men betas. Why? Because, they’re the cowardly, navie, white knights of the patriarchy that have done more to destroy good men than feminists they claim to hate ever have. You know who you are.

The rest is all societal brainwashing and wishful thinking. Women talking men down and shaming them into relationships is all for the benefit of women and the destruction of men. With women – it’s all about redistribution of resources from men to women. You are not more of a man without a wife and children. Women are inferiors when men would rather opt out of relationships with women than risk their lives for the well plundered, disease ridden poody between their legs.

If a woman wants to be in a relationship with me – she’s going to have to prove her worth to me – not the other way around. I’m not going to live as a slave on bended knee for the gynocracy – and I will certainly never marry a women in today’s hyper-gynocentric climate.

I’d rather die a genetic dead end than serve as a virtual slave to the gynocracy – which is exactly how most married men now live.

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You don’t need to be married to have children, and child support is capped in certain states.

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Agree. Procreation without marriage. Factor in cash flow drain for child support. If the girl is good, stay with her. If not, find another and repeat. Alphas sire offspring, not raise them. Some countries outside of USA may not have enforceable child support.

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“If the girl is good, stay with her. If not, find another and repeat.” This is exactly what I’m doing. Luckily I have a good one; and in my state, common law marriage is hard to prove.

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Well CA is not one of them.

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CG
You need a hustle that gets you to Ukraine full time. This is Ian/Cedric/WTFever haha.
Hope you’ve been doing alright man.

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What up man ! I make my money in CA.. if you have a good thing going in the states, hold onto it..

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The whole system is rigged against us all and everyone wants to make info products exposing the Illuminati/Zionist reptilian banker aliens but it’s not decisive action. Action is what changes things and we’ve been fed such bs for so long from the media, government, schools, corporations- it’s complete psychological warfare against everyone including the narcicist “empowered” western female and the gullible youth in “school”.

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People like you in a nutshell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1aDknedJjQ

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Today I hadn’t a good day. But you got a smile from me. And don’t listen to the attacks of the infiltrated ones, they are getting scared of Us and that’s why they squeal.

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No. Fuck that, Roosh. No more running away. These demons will hunt down every last free man to the ends of the Earth, and you know it. There’s a reason they are called globalists. They want the world, every square inch of it, and the mind, body, and soul of all who dwell upon it. They are never going to stop unless we stop them. I know things are bleak, but you are one of the ones sent by God to rally us to fight back. There is a tremendous pool of rage and resentment out there, trapped in a pit of confusion and lies. It is a comatose army of men trapped in a nightmare, awaiting their awakening. To wake them is our divine mission. Getting laid is great, but it isn’t what you or I or any of us really need right now. You can never truly enjoy the harvest when your fields are being razed and salted by savages. I am telling everyone who will listen what is happening, and little by little, it is having an effect. Keep spreading the word, and fighting the good fight. The disease of the modern western world is the mountain our generation was fated to conquer. Accept this and ascend.

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Quite right. Eventually there will be no place to flee.

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Living in Mexico, I do not agree.

I have a neighbor. He lived in the US for nearly 18 years, and was married for 18 years. He had several kids. Last year, she pulled the trigger on him. He let her have the stuff, he didn’t care.

He brought with him what was easily portable, and when he got here, he put it all in his brother’s name.

Being a stupid Amer-bitch she told him she would follow him no matter where he went. She assumed, as you do that, things are the same everywhere. Mexican courts have never extradited a Mexican for child support, nor confiscated his property to be sent to the USA.

She messed up when she pulled it on a Mexican man.

This shit is almost over. The minute China and Japan pull the switch on our trillion dollar debt level all these government agencies are out of business.

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Actually, throughout history the majority of men lived celebrate lives. Only a privileged minority were able to mate and sire offspring. Nothing has really changed in modern times to evoke this big revolution you are hoping for.

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Ever heard of “Mutual Assured Destruction”? It works especially well if your wife watches the news, so you’re not just pulling nuclear topics out of thin air.

When some guy does a murder-suicide on his family, say “I’m glad we’re happily married; that could never happen to us!” When a single mother or one of her kids is killed by a stray bullet, say “It’s good that we’re married so our kids don’t have to live in a neighborhood where that sort of thing happens!”

Or you could hint that if served divorce papers, you’d suffer such an emotional breakdown that you’d have to quit your job and file for disability. One soon to be ex-husband converted all his savings to gold bars and tossed them in a dumpster. Welcome to WIC, bitch.

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What a gigantic POS you are. If you are a MAN, in the traditional sense of the world, you get kids and you CARE for them, regardless of who is the wife. It is your own BLOOD.
Is called honour and personal responsibility. These are the things that made America and Europe great. You talked about traditional values but obviously you have no clue what said values are. And you go pick chicks in the 3rd world because you would not get laid in a 1st world country, loser.
You want to live by traditional values? you can’t, you do not have the balls to do it.
You are not a man. You are a pathetic wimp. Maybe also your father was because otherwise I cannot explain such a pathetic lack of values.
You are dumber than the dumbbells you use at the gym.If you are a men you get laid, you find a nice woman and you have kids. and you are proud to provide for them, not scared of child support.What a wimp you are.

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Spoken like someone who is mad/jealous of her friends that she isn’t collecting child support currently…

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Sounds like someone who is 40, runs 2 marathons a year and is a proud father.

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Sounds like a woman’s online profile that starts off by justifying their existence by stating frequency of certain accomplishments they hold dear to their heart.

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I am 40, I am fit and I have kids. And I still have fun without endangering my family. But that is too difficult a concept for a wimp.

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I am reminded of the speech in UNCLE TOM’S CABIN by the neighbor who recognizes George Shelby as George works his way to Canada and tells him why it is wrong to escape to Canada. But, everyone should read George’s response. Priceless.

You may be physically fit, but you are not morally nor mentally fit if you are trying to talk a man into a situation with a 40% chance of his kids being given to maternal custody.

Maternal custody is not the worst thing that can happen to a child. But, it is the worst thing that happens to most children.

By the way, the only person I ever knew named Gennarose was a woman.

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Thanks for sending me your selfie. OMG gurl….ur like….so hawt!!!!
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five grams of psilocybin mushrooms in silent darkness. you will find your meaning. you will find the pinicle.

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Stare into a dark obsidian mirror with dimly lit candle light in a pitch black room with no distractions other than some x-files music(but you dont have the balls to take the challenge)

https://youtu.be/6gkiuVz-Ryo

you will hallucinate entities and i bet you can’t stay in there more than 15 minutes , the hallucinations become more and more powerful until you have to leave

There’s something to mirrors, i mean, it’s a perfect copy of reality reflecting back, Does it open up some kind of rift?? it does open a rift to your subconscious,,,

The question is, is it Subjective or objective?

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I’ve done a heap of thinking about my not-so-eventual genetic line.

Roosh as always is very accurate about cultural degeneracy in the West. Divorce rape, prevalent narcissism in younger females, slut-encouraging female-to-female environment, high body count, obesity etc all make cohabitating and procreating a likely life-ruining event. I highly doubt culture will return to traditionalism, which means we as men will have to deal with the degeneracy for the rest of our lives.
Fine. But am I supposed to risk my entire financial and emotional well being to bring another male into this world to relish in the same degeneracy, only to advise him to avoid marriage and procreation? Am I to bring a female into a world of short-term sexual gratification and constant social media validation? How will I be able to handle my offspring succumbing to a toxic social culture?

What Roosh does not write about is the economic health of the West. Speaking from an American millennial perspective, there are plates being broken at the other end of the table:

1. Untenable fiscal debt. We’ll easily hit $20 trillion by the end of BHO presidency while still holding a large operating debt (unbalanced budget). Our unfunded liabilities to pay for mostly baby boomer entitlement programs is even more staggering at $100+ trillion. Even if an economic conservative gets elected in 2016 it will take him working with congress for 5-10 years to even balance our budget.
2. Globalization of middle class jobs. This applies to both blue-collar manufacturing and educated professionals. It’s no secret that the US lost all it’s working/middle class manufacturing, but how many people realize the amount of operations, customer service, and financial analyst jobs which have been sent overseas as well?
3. Skyrocketing cost of living on coastal cities where most of the economic growth takes place. Combine this with lower wages due to point #2 and it’s becoming rapidly more difficult to play the provider role.
4. High personal debt. Student loans alone can rack up into six figures. Add a 30 year mortgage and most millennials are looking at a lifetime of financial enslavement, even without a family.
5. Geo-political currency manipulation. Central banks and economic policy is not something I fully understand, but rounds upon rounds of endless quantitative easing cannot end well.

Right now we are in a “recovery” of a serious recession. 15% poverty, 60-75% living paycheck to paycheck depending on the study. If we were to have another serious recession in the next decade, which I think is inevitable, the poverty rate could easily get to 50% and today’s standard of lower middle class living would become the new wealthy.

Why would I start a family knowing that there’s a decent chance of them living hand-to-mouth in a destitute country? I’m certain that they will have to live through a fairly long Depression.

On a more positive footnote, there is another marriage/children option which is fairly common and relatively decent: marriage beginning as teenagers. No, not literally, but marriage to high-school or early college sweetheart, preferably tied closely with religion. America is still quite puritanical and these types of marriages are more commonplace in insular suburban/rural flyover country. Marriage is always a huge dice roll in the current legal climate, but these types are as close as you’ll get to successful. Assuming getting hitched from 25-30, these relationships have been going strong for 7-15 years through the female’s peak years and uncertain economic times for both parties. It’s safe to say that almost none of RooshV/ROK readers got this hooked up, we’re pretty much stuck with the mid-20’s post-carousel selfie crowd.

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Why would start a family if you were a medieval serf who toiled for a king to protect his farm from countless raids by neighboring villagers? You doomsday prophets will never see the glass as half full. There will always be something “wrong” with the present day.

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In that case, family helped you survive the toil, especially when the kids got older. Today, having a woman and kids seems to decrease your ability to survive, especially with the state against you.

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Adapt to the present day or accept the reality of your gene being an evolutionary dead end. Don’t get married, educate yourself on common law marriage and child support and then enjoy family without taking the risk of state imposed control. Spending time with my girlfriend and my son has been the happiest time of my life. This even tops the time I lived in Kiev and dated all the beautiful Ukrainian women. Your life is the sum of all your experiences. Having a child is one you should have before you leave this earth.

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In addition to Roosh’s point, low access to birth control. Getting laid=having children. With modern technology we can get laid without reproducing.

I think your logic to procreation is flawed. You say that having a son and spending time with him has been a great experience “in my life.” Procreation should not be taken as a sum of your experiences, but a sum of your son’s experiences. I might have a positive experience with procreating but the final question is whether his life will be happy and healthy.

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This has nothing to do with my son. I wanted the experience of having children. The experience is good now, but it may turn out bad. The most important thing is that I have had the experience. Hell, I would like to try hard drugs before I die, but I have too much to lose at this point in my life to take the risk now. You can take nothing with you after your life ends. I am going to try to do it all while trying to maximize the good experiences and minimize the bad.

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Here is where we disagree: you talk about your son as YOUR positive experience. If you’re bringing life into this world, the first (and frankly, only) priority should be HIS experience.

If I have a kid, I may enjoy raising him/her, I may not. My primary concern is if they’ll have a happy and healthy life. I won’t bring kids into this world as a tool towards my selfish pursuits.

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Don’t worry about it. I can tell you will over-think the issue, and you will never have a kid.

Watch the opening scene of the movie Idiocracy. The people having all the kids in this world are not worrying about what kind of experiences their kids will have.

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I checked it out. Fair enough.

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“This has nothing to do with my son. I wanted the experience of having children.”

Damn, you’re selfish.

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>>I highly doubt culture will return to traditionalism,

Oh, yes, it will. Within what time frame is clearly debatable. But, today we are simply not taught history as the Founders were.

The book to read if you can find it is SEX AND CULTURE by Dr. Unwin from UK, 1934. It may be free on-line if you can find it. A copy will run as high as $800 or more from UK. My ragged copy cost me $160.

He studied all societies, current and past, as far as sexual liberty of women. He found that you can tell much about a society by the sexual liberty women have. their religious structure; their prosperity; their ability to function.

In any society, the first generation of women to have complete sexual liberty will live to see the end of that society.

I think it was Athens in the big B.C. numbers which was run by the elite who let their women run wild. And, Athens tanked out.

Next century, the middle class took over and Athens prospered. Eventually, they let their women run wild and Athens tanked again.

Then foreigners came in and it again prospered.

People, but especially people who don’t know much about history except that taught by liberals, assume history is one gigantic continuum running from Neandertal to modern US crap. That is not true. Many civilizations have risen and fallen over the years.

An ancient historian wrote of Atlantis, where people communicate at great distances, and could fly through the air at great speed. Clearly someone had radio and airplanes.

And, read the Book of Ezekiel in the Bible. That dude was taken up in an aircraft of some sort until he could see the shape of the Earth.

You cannot write about things you never heard of. Not now. Not ever.

But, stupid scientists actually believe and have the entire planet believing there was at one time an Ice Age, even though kids can understand why this is not true if you explain it to them.

Though I have digressed, the truth is within 24 hours after the entire system goes down, our motor mouthed feminists will be totally into patriarchy. “Help! Help! Save me and my kids. I’ll do anything if you save us.”

There are many ways the system can go down. Terrorists firing nukes into the ionosphere taking out electrical generation. Solar flare such as they had over 100 years ago. Total financial shut down. Major lethal epidemic. My favorite, a major asteroid strike. (That is so cool!)

In every case, motor mouthed domineering women will almost immediately know that to survive they need to take the chains off men, and it will be done. And, the manginas and White knights will be running for their lives. Most will not make it.

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“In every case, motor mouthed domineering women will almost immediately know that to survive they need to take the chains off men, and it will be done. ”

You’re right. Patriarchy thrives in hostile environments based on physical strength and feminism thrives in affluent western civilizations. If I was given a choice between the two civilizations, I’d rather not have patriarchy return.

It further affirms my decision to not have children if our civilization becomes harsh enough to do a complete 180 back into patriarchy.

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The problem is you are accepting much of feminism. Feminists deliberately rewrote not only history, but also the dictionary.

The late Dr. Amneus, author of THE GARBAGE GENERATION, wrote that patriarchy was a precursor to civilization, other men took his hard data and concluded he was mistaken. The data shows that patriarchy IS civilization.

Your f’ked up feminist definition of patriarchy is actually a pure matriarchy, such as found in our inner cities and sub-Saharan Africa.

When women are in charge, and men and women are not at peace as in the USA and sub-Saharan Africa, but more so in the inner city, men fight amongst themselves, and old men are hated. Those societies are Destroyers. And, they are matriarchies. Women own the kids.

When men are in charge, and men and women are not at peace, a perfect example being Mexico, that society is a society of maintainers. If they can import modern medicine and technology, they can use them, but they do not develop new things. Men support each other to the detriment of women. These Societies are Maintainers. Old men are respected.

When men are in charge and men and women live in peace, an example being the USA from start to around 1850 with great deterioration after 1950, those societies are Innovators. That is patriarchy. Men own the kids.

When people are talking in a patriarchy and an old man starts to talk everyone shuts up until he is finished. That doesn’t men he gets his own way, but his words are examined before a final decision is made.

You may or may not have some good ideas. But, when you know so little about history that you are accepting all terms as decreed by feminists, including reversing patriarchy and matriarchy, you aren’t really worth much.

I sought out an older dictionary. I found one from the early Fifties which is when I learned to read and write. That dictionary said patriarchy was a society where the role of men in the family was guaranteed. The definition you have obediently accepted from the feminists is a society where women are in charge and men can be removed from the family without fault.

Any time you let the opposition define the terms and set the rules of debate, you lose

I do agree with your decision not to reproduce. In fact, I appreciate it. Thank you.

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“People, but especially people who don’t know much about history except that taught by liberals, assume history is one gigantic continuum running from Neandertal to modern US crap. That is not true. Many civilizations have risen and fallen over the years.”
Most people who actually went to school know that pretty well, come on. Unless you don’t learn that in your American schools.

“And, read the Book of Ezekiel in the Bible. That dude was taken up in an aircraft of some sort until he could see the shape of the Earth.”
Yeah, and Muhammed parted the moon in two as well. Hahaha!

And of course even some domineering women would be scared and submit to the first half-good man they could find… they will be too scared of the thousands of hordes of rapists and criminal men walking around targeting mostly women and children in a world with no law, no police, nothing. What many, many men act like and what they systematically do to women and children if they are allowed to isn’t cute. Only other men can stop them.

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You profile as a female feminist. That means it’s a waste of time to discuss anything with you. I write only as a teaching program for younger men.

>>Most people who actually went to school know that pretty well, come on. Unless you don’t learn that in your American schools.

American schools are engrossed in teaching tolerance of sexual preferences and feminist history. And, they certainly, not even in my generation,taught anything involved in analysis of societies. They did teach some about the fall of civilizations but no useful analysis so people would realize that domination by militant feminism is the death rattle of a great civilization.

And, there is some evidence in your posting that you do not have advanced knowledge of history. For example, mocking my comment on the book of Ezekiel.

If you were as educated as you think you are, you would know that people living 2,500 years ago probably could not describe what the planet looked like from 50,000 feet altitude or more, unless they saw it personally. But, Ezekiel described it.

Likewise, they could not have described any sort of aircraft, but Ezekiel did.

But, everyone could see the moon.

Another issue involves your sarcastic view of probably all religions. Unwin, author of Sex and Culture, 1934, is getting a lot of attention, because his description of what a society is like when women have unlimited sexual liberty is tracking right along with the Anglosphere as the women get sluttier and sluttier.

He said as women get more sexual liberty, religion goes away. You folks who laugh at religion aren’t nearly as clever as you think you are. Just obedient to the feminist dogma. And, totally predictable.

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Now, on to your misandrist feminist drivel about all men being murderers, rapists, etc.

I know a man, a very intelligent man, he has read much on the manosphere. He has also spent considerable time in a number of cultures.

Historically, affluent families did not view their offspring as educated until they had lived a couple years in a totally different culture.

This is because we are all products of our own cultures. And, few understand their own culture until they have lived in another culture long enough to understand it, thus learn to understand their own culture. I view you feminists as clinically insane, because you imagine the sick culture you have created out of your own confused minds is the only correct way for any culture ever.

My friend says he has observed there are three ways a society can form.

The first form is men and women living in peace, with men in charge. This was the Anglosphere during the prosperous years. A few men are well above the mean on intelligence and creativity, and when they are in peace with women, they change the planet. Men cooperate on important projects, and old men are treated with respect, for their wisdom learned over many years. That doesn’t mean they get their own way, but when they talk, young men listen and evaluate their teachings before accepting or rejecting it.

In this first form, the society is well policed. I realize you mentally ill feminists have reversed patriarchy and matriarchy so it is hard to discuss social history with you. But this first form of society produces the happiest women. This society is called a Creative society. Diseases are cured and technology explodes.

The second form of society is men and women not at peace, but men in charge. Mexico is a good example. This society is called a Maintainer society. If they get technology from a creative society they can operate and maintain it but cannot develop it themselves. Men still cooperate, but that is too often used to abuse women.

Old men are still respected and listened to. I have been at many gatherings in Mexico, and when an old man starts to talk, everyone shuts up and lets him get his message out. Then later the men will discuss his comments to see if there was anything useful. That is also why men as old as I am at times get “hit on” by very young women. Not all young women want older men, maybe 5% as opposed to 0% in the USA where old men are HATED.

The Third form of society, women are in charge. I hate to use the term society because societies with women in charge are mostly winking out of existence as a society. This type of society is called a Destroyer society. Think Inner City and sub-Saharan Africa.

In this society, men are at war with each other. When women are totally in charge, the men systematically kill each other at every opportunity. When women are only mostly in charge, outside the Inner City, such as on the manosphere, the hatred between men manifests itself as constant bickering, insults, and name-calling.

When women are in charge, that is what you described. Men running around engaged in constant violence of every sort. Men do not protect their daughters, because they are not allowed to. If the daughters even know who their father is.

>>thousands of hordes of rapists and criminal men walking around targeting mostly women and children in a world with no law, no police, nothing.

You are exactly correct. That is what you get when women are in charge, in a true matriarchy, even if you feminists successfully confused simple words matriarchy and patriarchy. I remember some years ago a fundamentalist church which insisted Papua New Guinea, a pure matriarchy, was a patriarchy.

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Dude, did you just write a book for me? And after just saying that I “profile as a female feminist”, which means that it’s a waste of time to discuss anything with me? Haha, how consistent.



I mock religion because it’s bullshit. That’s all. I absolutely believe humanity lost much of it’s wisdom… but everything is really just assumptions. And I wasn’t talking about sexual liberation.



You don’t get to say how much I believe I’m smart or not. No, you don’t get to lie that I have ever said “all men are murderers” or any kind of shit like that. I also don’t think you are a psychiatrist to try to tell who is “mentally ill”; I get that’s what many American idiots try to label everyone they disagree with, but let me tell you that it doesn’t make you right, doesn’t prove your enemy wrong and, if the person isn’t another American idiot, it’s ineffective.

Most of the developed world has men and women in charge, together. And also the best quality of life, and the most secure places to live in. Probably the best life humanity has ever experienced so far.

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>>You don’t get to say how much I believe I’m smart or not.

No? I just did.

You give credence to the article i wrote on DGM-2 quite a few years ago. I said that collectively speaking, AW are clinically insane And, that men who live with insane women also become insane.

>>I also don’t think you are a psychiatrist to try to tell who is “mentally ill”

Same deal. I just did. But I didn’t realize it until I lived in another nation which actually has a higher percentage of sane men and women.

You not only profile as a female feminist. You also profile as a person who really doesn’t now what it’s like to live in most countries in the world. The MSM said, “There be dragons” and you believe it.

If the USA has the best life of any place or time in the world, why do over 1/4 of all women need psychiatric drugs? And, by study had the most unhappy women on the planet?

You also profile as what I call “I got mine!” Meaning you have a good deal or at least want us to think you do, and are devoid of empathy for anyone who doesn’t have it so good.

You remind me of a science fiction story from years ago. There was a beautiful city where there was no illness and no poverty. Only one catch. To keep that prosperity and beauty, it was mandated that at all times one human be maintained in total despair and misery.

And, each generation of children, one time, had to go down and see that person.

We have millions of people in the USA living in despair. Just men who have had their lives ruined by no-fault, er, I mean man-fault divorce. Lose their kids; their financial hope for the future..

But, you don’t care. You got it great.

Which brings up the question why you are here. Your views have little or nothing to do with anything or anybody on this blog.

So why are you here is a rhetorical question. You are here because you wish to disrupt the conversation and to put down the posters who do not agree with you.

An additional note. There is more personal freedom here in Mexico than in the USA. I know you are not capable of understanding that, which is totally your problem.

Yep, female feminist. And, a mentally ill one.

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You forgot about the prevalence of narcissism in males, young or old. Males are in fact more likely to be narcissists. Slut-encouraging male-to-male environment by default as well, look at you guys, encouraging one another to get as many STD as you can. America has more overweight men than women, and almost as much obese men. Not to mention that men make up the majority of the lowest QI people in your Country. Male criminals in your country, there are so many!
And dude, in the world mostly everyone could get “short term sexual gratification”if they really were into it, it’s not new. Your problems with “social media validation”is laughable, come on now, you could at least mention drug addiction instead lol.

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Option 4: The progression of my life

Snag a good virgin girl when young (elementary through high school) and marry her up early by 20 or 21. Spend at least 5 years in monogamous marriage enjoying what, if any, fulfillment and security marriage provides. Watch her carefully during this period for the signs of a real future with this girl. Is she a hard working contributor to your family unit with domestic skills, knowledge and experience to make you life better? Or is she a lazy feminized TV watcher and chronic shopper who’d rather eat and grow fat with her piggish girlfriends than find ways to continue to please you in bed and out. It’s really hard to tell these things before she’s married you as girls will put in a level of effort to snag a husband that could quickly evaporate once she’s got the ring on her finger. It’s during this time you must decide whether or not to continue a future with her or divorce her before having children. You must do everything in your power to ensure you don’t impregnate her any sooner than you’ve decided to. No accidental kids during this period! No traps. You must also setup your affairs to protect your assets and future income from her hands should things go south. There are ways to do this.

Kids- Have kids if that is your desire between by 30, when she’s preparing to hit the wall anyway. Raise your kids by homeschooling them in the knowledge and ideals you espouse rather than the state. Train your kids to produce value and provide for themselves so that by the time they reach 18 they are capable of making $1500 – $1800 a month — enough to support themselves in a shared apartment. College? Don’t worry about it. Train your kids to look outside the US for opportunity and realize they can pay $5k cash for a STEM degree in an english-speaking overseas university if they’s what they want rather than spending $50-$100k for a crappy degree here in the US. Better yet, teach your kids that a college degree is irrelevant to preparing a man or woman for doing anything productive and that even complex technical subjects such as computer science and engineering can be learned online through a web browser. Teach them to create their own streams of income and to not be another lemming in the system. Your kids will likely find their own way years before they’re college age anyway. Expect you kids to start working before 18 and give them the goal to have some level of self reliance by 18 so that you’re not supporting them into their 20’s, and heaven forbid their 30’s

If you’ve had kids you’ve seen another side of your wife that may make you reconsider spending the next 30-40 years of your life with her after kids are grown. Was she a committed mother to the kids, or was she quick to hire out her motherly responsibilities to schools, daycare, babysitters, etc. Did she support your training and discipline of the kids or did she try to maintain favor with the kids over sound discipline. Did she manager herself, her home, and the money in ways that setup your family for future success or did she indulge in every form of comfort and entertainment to escape the boredom of the daily grind of domestic life?

Once your kids hit 16 and were very much independent with their friends and activities, did you wife turn her attentions to you and the future ahead or did she find ways to hand onto her role as mother? Has she taken that coveted college degree and started using her education to start producing the income and assets to have a future with you, or is she starting happy hour early in the afternoon, finishing a bottle of chardonnay by 7pm and launching into all kinds of crazy rants by evening? Has she gained more than 20 lbs since the high school and is she doing anything to get in shape and maintain or lose weight? Is she wanting to please you in bed or has she completely given up? Does she want you or prefer her vibrator? Now’s the time to evaluate whether she adds to your life or is a drain on you and your life. Is it time to eject now that the kids are out of the house, before you waste another 5 or 10 years in a dying marriage.

If you’ve decided a life with your wife into the future is not going to bring you greater happiness, security and comfort, then it’s time to consider divorce. But you’ve probably figure out whether or not that’s your plan by the time your kids are 2-4 years old as that’s the time that’s really revealed your wife’s character. But now is the time to make the decisions that will set you up for the rest of your life. With so many years invested together you might think there is no future without her and would prefer to put up with her for another 20 years until you die of a heart condition. She’ll finally get the last of your life’s work at that point (if you didn’t protect your assets) and you’ll be dead. If that’s a fair deal to you fine. If not, you’ve got to work hard now to make your exit out of the marriage and start your second life.

I’m on my second life now. And I’m sad to report that chances are if you’re here and refuse to be beta boy who turns into mangina man to take care of western woman for rest of your life, then the probability you’ll end up playing 2nd life is over 75%.

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“Snag a good virgin girl when young (elementary through high school) and..”

Are you serious? There is no such thing anymore. From the horror stories i have read that around age 11, 12, 13 many girls are giving hand jobs at shopping malls for cigarette money.

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What’s the solution then.. suicide? colonizing other planets?

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A man’s outlook on life will correlate to his age and experiences. A guy in his teens, 20s and even 30s who has taken care of himself physically and financially, and hasn’t married or had had kids, has a wealth of options. Its a difficult choice to make to expatriate (or simply move away from leftist strongholds in the US), but its a matter of priorities.

I for one don’t long for the days when beta men were entitled to a wife. I think this era produced a mass of sheep that are responsible for the problems we have today.

If you do decide to marry, check out this podcast, good stuff: http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/good-looking-loser-podcast/how-to-get-married-and-not-get-burned-discussion-on-legit-prenuptial-agreements

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The thing is back in the day, what we call “beta,” now. You know, just nailing down a good factory job, coaching the kids ball team, drinking beer with the guys on weekends, and banging your wife while amassing a livable retirement, yet giving the wife some power in things, was actually considered somewhat alpha as long as you wore the pants. What it boils down to is being able to wear the pants anymore. Irrespective of who started allowing the feminist trend within the household, it’s here now and the risk is almost impossible to avert. Every time I see a Hollywood star get married I just shake my head.

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I could write a counter rant that would be at least as long but I will leave you with just one pic:

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Heads up! Jannik and Spider are feminist women making troll comments here. Probably the same person.

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I guess I am going for option 3. Roosh makes it sound like some superhuman feat of willpower. Any guy with a bachelors degree can do it the way I have.

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I think we’re similar in this way.
I’ve been checking out HappierAbroad.com to get some more info on expatting and I really don’t see it as this crazy monumental impossible thing to do. Seems like a lot of people can’t fathom going to live within another culture away from what they’re used to. It’s not like I would never see my family again, I’d just be living somewhere else.
When I speak to people about it they think I’m nuts and I’m surprised by it.

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I suppose the most difficult thing is getting your employment situation sorted out, as well as dealing with the language issues.
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Most people aren’t lucky enough to have dual citizenship. A good friend of mine is Hungarian so when he finally decided to say “fuck this” he moved to Budapest where he still had family.
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If you really want to shoot for the moon, go for the foreign service. I aced the standard public service exams but the foreign service has the additional Situational Judgment Test. I got over the initial cutoff but when they calculated the final cutoff to get an interview I was something like 4 points shy out of 100. The other thing is that you have to speak French. If not you have to take a 15% pay cut or something similar in your first year and if you can’t pass the fluency test at the end of the year you get fired.
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The simplest idea is to get your TESL certificate and then do teaching. You don’t have to teach ESL which, frankly, is not particularly challenging. There are plenty of positions teaching substantive subjects in English but you generally need your B.Ed. or at least a masters degree. The catch-22 is that usually they will want several years of teaching experience.
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A temporary measure to jump ship and be employable is a working holiday visa. For Canadians there are several European and South American countries, plus Australia, Hong Kong and a few others, where you can get one or two years. Depending on your skill set you might hook up with an employer willing to go to bat for you so you can get a proper work visa.
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A last possibility is to become a writer. Not everyone can do it but if you can your royalties will follow you regardless of which country you are living in. Roosh is the most obvious example. For me, I had a board game I designed back in the 90s and it will be released on the iPad in a few weeks. The royalties from that could be substantial.

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I’ve just finished a Masters but I obviously have no teaching experience. My plan is to try and apply to teach English in SKorea or China and take the best offer.

I agree with you. If you can find one business idea that works online it can add to your passive income stream and make life that much easier. You just have to succeed once at getting something people en masse are interested in. And writing (or making YouTube videos) a la Roosh is most likely a better gig than sitting in a cubicle. Roosh’s job is to continue learning and thinking… For me a vast improvement over a cubicle job.

Check out Toronto Craigslist job section. Every single gig is either an unpaid internship or they require 5+ years experience. Nobody wants to train. It makes more sense to me to get paid overseas and train myself.

Best wishes with your game release. When you publish it you should post a link to it on the forum.

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SK tends to pay more but the cost of living is higher. You will have to give some serious thought to what age group you are wiling to teach.
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A TESL certificate gets a bit of teaching under your belt. I did the 60 hour weekend wonder course but if you are willing to lay out some more cash and put in the time you can get more of a practicum. One way to get some experience is if you go crazy and write all the standardized exams: GRE, LSAT, GMAT and SATs. If you can score in the top 5% then places like Kaplan or Oxford Seminars will take you on as a test prep instructor. They give you a few days of training, a set curriculum and idiot-proof lesson plans. The other way is to look at small private high schools that cater to foreigners. You don’t need to have your BEd or be certified. Having a masters degree can get you in the door to teach in your field of expertise. They tend to have their own network of overseas contacts and can hook you up with a job.
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Otherwise, check out http://jobs.echinacities.com/
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and http://worthplaying.com/article/2015/3/3/news/95136/

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Dude u rule thank you

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No point in breaking your back and wearing out your snow shovel when I have already cleared that path (I suppose there is the mangrove/machete analogy if you want to be more tropical, but hey: we are Canucks). Keep in touch. If it pans out for you based on my advice then give me an exclusive interview and endorsement for my upcoming book. smile I will buy the beer.
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What is your masters degree in? I think you mentioned it but it evades me now.

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MA in Psychology – Specialization in perceptual neuroscience and psychophysical testing. I like brainz.
If I end up in the Orient I’ll definitely get in touch you man.

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Psych is a hard sell here. Veer into consumer behavior and marketing psychology and that might be a better way to convert your brainz into cash. If you have the right personality, teaching skills come easy. More difficult is to be a self-learner. Lastly is the discipline to know your own limitations.

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I can tell by your writing that you’re having the same miserable postgrad corporate cubicle experience that I’m having. It’s taken me down a journey of nihilism.

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Trust me bro it’s not just you getting strung out.
Just make sure you are working towards something on the side or you can end up in a bad mental space.
And keep in mind I see plenty of guys around that are in even worse situations… Carrying debt, accumulating interest, and earning no pay… Eliminate your debts and then do whatever the fuck is right for you.

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“example. For me, I had a board game I designed back in the 90s and it will be released on the iPad in a few weeks. The royalties from that could be ”

You mean the istore? I’ll be the first to buy it because you and i are like minded – happy to help a fellow red pill man. Whats the name of the board game?

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Legions of Steel

http://www.slitherine.com/games/los_iPad

http://www.studio-nyx.com/blog

I am informed that they are set for a May 14th release in iOS, Android and PC.
Thanks for your support!

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lol I agree that quite a bit of the mgtow media I’ve seen is kind of ridiculous.
I mostly like Sandman, LuiMarco, and TurdFlingingMonkey. A lot of the other guys sound too whiney and lame but Sandman and TFM just spit theory, current events, and some practical advice (TFM has an ongoing series on how the stock market works for example). Not too different from what ROK is doing imo.
LuiMarco is more opinionated and mostly rants but I agree with his lifestyle choices. He focuses on health and fitness and carved his way out of the office-cubicle workplace to create his own life away from that.

Where I disagree with these guys is I can’t really stomach the idea of never having children because society doesn’t give a shit about me. I would still like to reproduce someday and I don’t think the government or other people should be able to interfere with that. Surrogacy seems outside of my comfort zone as well, I’d prefer to have a mother for my children.

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What are your opinions on Stardusk and Bar Bar?

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I find Stardusk a little too high-brow and logical for my tastes. He is like a PhD of mgtow and that’s just not my thing.
I think BarBar is a must-listen though, especially for someone being introduced to this stuff. He is scathing but matter of fact about it and very intelligent.
If a man has just been put through the ringer and is looking for an intro into the manosphere I think BarBar is great.

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Marry a black girl [carribean island type] then. According to statistics, nearly divorce-proof.

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They can dance too, and cook. I just can’t imagine marrying an Anglo girl after seeing how immature and unrealistic they are.

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“Anything a man does that doesn’t involve jacking off, playing video games or crying on MGTOW forums he must be doing for either gynocenterism or the female imparative. How do we know this, well because we say so. “Proof and Evidence” is just a gynocentritc concept design to oppress men and keep them slaves to women and the female imperative. But we are not like SJW’s at all, we promise!!!! ”

-MGTOW

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For anyone here that is actually interested in becoming a man instead of just playing at one:

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/04/07/what-is-the-core-of-masculinity/

http://www.artofmanliness.com/

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This advice is outdated. Marriage is losing endeavor for men. Why would any man sign a contract with a 50% chance of losing 70% of his assets? You have to be an imbecile to get married in the United States. You don’t need permission from the government to have children and a family life. What a horrible website that is encouraging enslavement of men.

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