While my work has been in wide circulation for many years, I didn’t consider myself to be somewhat famous until 2012, when a large number of people started asking to take a photo with me. Combined with the fact that I’ve been recognized on the street in over ten countries, many of which I didn’t announce beforehand, it appears that (1) I am known by a significant number of people and (2) held in high esteem by many of them, two prerequisites of fame.

I write about this today not to boast, but to give you an idea of what it’s like to be at least mildly famous, especially during these times when fame is valued more than any other period in Western history. It’s something that simultaneously gives and takes, so you must carefully consider its pursuit.


1. Fame gives you credibility and social proof

Your name alone is enough for people to give you their attention, which you can leverage into selling products and services. With true fame, you can take a crap in a box and sell that to make a living, but pursuing fame as part of a profitable business model is harder than executing a traditional business where you simply identify a lack or need in the market and then smartly fill in that gap.

Fame is much more dependent on fickle tastes, trends, and emotions than a normal business built from the ground up. Additionally with fame, your business is more susceptible to attacks from deeply committed haters and stalkers than if you were more anonymous.

2. It gives you increased access to women

As you already know, women are attracted to high status men who are pre-qualified. Fame gives you that, but not all sources of fame are equal. Music fame or club photographer fame will get you a thousand times more women than literary fiction fame or video game professional fame.

My type of fame, as I describe at length in Poosy Paradise, is unfavorable because of the methodical, cold, unromantic, and monstrous way I present my sexual topic matter. While I have taken down about 15 or so groupies, that’s lower than you would expect based on the length of time I’ve been doing this and the level of notoriety I’ve achieved (I’m convinced that being a serial killer of women and children would yield more groupies than I get now). I go through great pains to hide my work to new women I meet because of how easily they get scared away by it.

3. It allows you to connect with people similar to you

I have traded notes and experiences with hundreds of men via email and in person, which has improved the quality of my life. I also have access to advice from men in high stations. For example, I recently needed tips on what video equipment to buy. I posted a question and got many immediate responses from professionals that were of immense help to me. If I need information on any city in the world, I would have answers coming to me within an hour. People want to give you value if you’ve given them value through your work.

4. It boosts your ego

You begin to feel like an important person because so many people are complimenting you and your work. They’re emotionally invested in both your successes and failures. When I do well, people congratulate you, and when I fail, people encourage me to not give up. It’s like having your own personal cheering section.


1. It crushes your ego

At the same time people are boosting you up, just as many others are trying to bring you down, receiving immense pleasure when you fail. Haters attempt all manner of tactics—even attacks on your family—to hurt you. If you have a fragile self-esteem, fame has the potential to destroy you because now you’ll receive dozens of negative interactions a day.

Ironically, most people seek fame because they want positive attention, but the negative attention ends up superceding that gain, making the person no more confident or sure of themselves than before they were famous. This is why some superstars have full-time handlers that protect them from the public, carefully filtering information that gets through.

2. It kills your privacy

All your actions, no matter how trivial, are now open for public critique and debate. You will no longer be able to share a simple photo, anecdote, or statement without it being psychoanalyzed by the masses. It has even happened multiple times where I was out in public and a hater would spy on me and then report back on other sites, even taking photos of the back of my head.

A side effect of watching your privacy disappear is that you become more paranoid. When you’re out and about, innocent stares from people now become thoughts of if that person knows you and if they’re a hater or not. Worst of all, your paranoia is often justified since there are people who really hate your guts. Combined with the fact that I’ve had some weird exchanges in public, I have to keep my guard up no matter where I am.

3. You lose your ability to be a normal person who doesn’t need constant attention and recognition

I’m more normal than most public figures in that I enjoy being an anonymous stranger, but when I go on a long blog hiatus, it begins to feel weird that I’m not receiving new feedback concerning something I’m doing or have produced. Since I’ve been blogging for so long, I seemed to have wired my brain to share content and then enjoy the ensuing immediate feedback. I feel less significant if my work is not being shared, and I wonder if I rather get hater responses than no responses at all. Since I have a solitary life (no long-term girlfriend or living near close friends and family), my fame is essentially a surrogate friend and relative. Without it, I’d feel more lonely.


The pros and cons from fame balance slightly on the positive side for me because of the income-producing effect that allows me to live a mobile lifestyle, but the strongest appeal of fame for men is sex. I consciously went for it in Romania but it had the opposite effect where it was harder to sleep with girls who knew of me beforehand. At the same time, a C-list musician making less money than me is probably swimming in pussy, but such is the nature of fame.

If you want fame, I recommend it for the reason to get laid and not to boost your self-esteem (it could kill it instead), and not to make money (easier ways can be had without sacrificing your privacy). The most reliable groupie-producing fame is music. If I was 15 again, I’d pick up a bass guitar and go that route. While I’m not complaining about whatever fame I’ve achieved, rock star fame seems to be the most fun and sex-filled. Otherwise, fame will give you only a marginal improvement to your life.

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  1. Aidan KS December 10, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Never considered the downsides of fame like that, very interesting.

    Music mini-fame is a bit over-rated, unless you’re all-in and actually touring. What slips under the radar is the amount of time you spend in game environments as a by-product of gigs.

    The profession/hobby is just a vehicle for access…for music, your job is to spend 6 hours a night in a bar and you HAVE to stay til closing. It isn’t the music that gets you laid, it’s spending 100’s of hours watching guys game and picking the minds of everyone you think might be successful. For any kind of open minded guy that’s willing to learn, it’s a breeding ground for success.

    1. Ian December 10, 2014 at 12:29 pm

      Every profession has Paretos law in effect- the top 20% have 80% of the market share and related benefits while the bottom 80% fight over the remaining scraps of the market.

      1. seth datta December 10, 2014 at 2:39 pm

        Pretty soon it’ll be top 10%, then 5%, then 1% have it all. It all roughly correlates with available disposable funds of the man and then his looks (though those are not as important perhaps these days).

  2. Zelcorpion December 10, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Interesting stuff. Christian McQueen might be able to pull off a Dan Bilzerian kind of lifestyle fame, but he stays clear from anti-feminist anti-SJW content. But everyone has different interests and “hobbies” and pissing off feminists is one of yours.

  3. DeAnn Falvey December 10, 2014 at 10:28 am

    I don’t think that rock music has been the best way to get fame and groupies for about 20 years now. It can still be done but the mid tier is much smaller these days than in the great days of rock from the 60s to the early 90s. DJing is probably safer ROI.

    1. 'Reality' Doug December 10, 2014 at 1:00 pm

      I believe it. Makes me suppose a typical American HB6-8 breakdown as follows:

      Hypothesized Notches By Profession

      Club DJs: 5

      Rock Stars: 1

      Other: >5
      Total: f(Hotness, Age) > 11

      1. seth datta December 10, 2014 at 2:37 pm

        Surely its more than that. I do see some bands/guys on the street who must purely have a small local following if even that, and I IMAGINE they get laid well enough, though this is 2014 and with the market being in women’s favour, maybe they are doing some other kinds of guys?

        The market in women has definitely gotten worse over the last decade.

  4. Kevin December 10, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Keep it real on point #2 under cons.

    A guy you banned from RVF called Debauchery-who used to do fashion modeling and who your forum criticized that his looks were his only game is a regular poster on Naughty Nomads forum.

    Debauchery claims he tried to be friendly to you at a bar and have a beer with you and you squared up and wanted to fight him- what’s your side of the story? Was he wanting to start trouble to begin with or were you wanting to fight in the bar because of you twos history?
    Tell us what really happened…

    1. Roosh_V December 10, 2014 at 11:19 am

      I’m not one for gossip like the women over at NN’s forum, but I’ll just say that haters are much more brave on the internet than in real life.

      1. Deb December 10, 2014 at 12:45 pm

        Yeah you’re very brave Roosh, that’s what you signed up for boxing lessons in Odessa then quite because you got a black eye 🙂

      2. Jams December 13, 2014 at 11:22 pm

        Why wouldn’t you say “braver” rather than “more brave”? Nobody uses suffixes any more. Another thing I hate.

      3. MajorStyles December 21, 2014 at 4:24 pm

        Oh boy. Give it a rest.

      4. Jams December 21, 2014 at 9:30 pm

        I’m being stupid. Thanks.

  5. JustSayin' December 10, 2014 at 11:23 am

    Roosh, there’s one thing you didn’t mention that I’m curious about…what has the effect been like on your family? Is it worth it? Can you fix that?
    I think I remember you saying something about being estranged from your sister now.
    I’m not being a troll, beta, or hater. I’m just curious. I haven’t seen my brother in 8 years or talked to him in 3 years.

  6. Clark Kent December 10, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Roosh I’ve been following the manosphere for over a year now and I just gotta say I keep coming back to you and CH because you guys tell it like it is.
    But you’re even more honest about who you are… you share the good and the bad… I commend you.
    Truly modern day philosophers.
    Just have an escape plan for when the mob wants you to swallow the Hemlock.

  7. deb December 10, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    Yes Roosh, that’s you’re so tough that you wimped out of boxing lessons in Odessa because you got a black eye 🙂

    1. Kevin December 10, 2014 at 4:34 pm


      I read Zolo and am not a woman Roosh. That’s equally offensive to me and proposterous.
      When I fly to Europe-
      I’d be open to sparring with you in the boxing gym. We can go 3 rounds, clean up, and get a couple of pints afterwords. I know Mike from Danger and Play wouldn’t back out-will you?
      Are you down?

      1. Thoroughbred December 10, 2014 at 9:44 pm

        Point 4:

        Sharp increase in mysterious internet boxing challenges.

      2. Kevin December 11, 2014 at 2:07 pm

        No mystery too it at all. It’s a legit offer.

        All it really is at the end of the day is good fun and old school masculinity.

        Did you know old school guys used to fight for fun with boxing gloves amongst friends but your not in touch with more traditionall masculine sensibilities are you? So go have a Starbucks, gtet on our iPad, play some video games and be manly.

      3. Free Julien Blanc December 12, 2014 at 10:20 am

        Back in the day guys used to offer to fight guys they don’t even know?

  8. YosarriansRight December 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    Well done Roosh.

    Bottom line is there will always be jealous, lazy, talentless folks around who, instead of improving their own pathetic existences, wait for those who have the brains and balls to slip up or fall.

    Ignore them, they really are the nothings they project they are. Focus on what works for you.

    1. seth datta December 10, 2014 at 2:40 pm

      He deserves credit for his business.

      But you can’t tar everyone else who makes negative comments with the same brush.

      The real truth is somewhere in-between, surely.

      1. YosarriansRight December 10, 2014 at 2:50 pm

        Roosh deserves credit for the entirety of what he provides to the manosphere.

        As far as what I wrote, again, there will always be jealous bastards out there that will wish the worst on others that achieve. Whether you’re Roosh or any random person, if you achieve, someone will resent you.

      2. seth datta December 10, 2014 at 7:42 pm

        Fair enough.

        I know that you understand that SJWs, shills etc get paid to promote an agenda and never go dry, so this is what I was alluding to when I said that some people just have deep pockets to promote crap and achieved nothing. So this is the point I was trying to convey. This is a problem in all fields of work/commerce.

  9. seth datta December 10, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    How to get famous in 2014:

    (1) Have a vagina
    (2) be a complete sellout and asskisser to the dominant political agenda
    (3) Give one last hard suck to turn your back on the guys who would’ve changed the society, as they get shut out, only for society to turn into a totalitarian hellhole as your 15 minutes of fame come to a close.

    and (4) suffer as the marauding gangs of both illegal and white-collar criminals enslave and gang rape you in a torturefest that only ends with the loss of your life. Probably because some guys in another country got tired of the shit over here and decided to end it at last.

    Thanks society. Thanks evil elite. Thanks SJW.

    1. FormerCanadian December 10, 2014 at 3:04 pm

      Again, WHO is to blame for all of the above mentioned happening these days?
      Answer is: WHITE MALES! They did turn into pussified creatures without any self esteem, dignity, own thoughts and opinions!!! White males abandoned all the standards and selection criteria when it comes to life, work and dating and decided to turn into robots and slaves of the system in order to go up on a career ladder!!
      It’s white males who are lining up in front of a whale of a woman in a vain hope to get access to her elusive pussy!!!
      It’s white male who accepted and adopted to political correctness, affirmative action and quota hiring!

      1. Ian December 10, 2014 at 7:18 pm

        Former Canadian
        Man in your posts about Ukraine you say 40 year old men-we’re talking dudes with some wrinkles (time is cruel to us all not hating) are able to get 18-23yo girls???

        This just seems unreal to me like a parrell universe or something out of a dream. So this actually happens?
        Do they have super good game, looks, or wealth or is it more like if you can lay your and her bills you’re good to go?

        As an American its hard to process this-it seems surreal to be blunt.
        And these girls would be down for marriage? I would prefer this as Im not into relationships and would like to have one that did not see me as just a wallet for her. My friend who’s 46 says Im just preying in poor girls yet he talks Right wing conservative masculinity. The brain washing is severe in the West.

        No one has ever written on the history of middle aged men and young fine college aged girls but if I understand correctly sans the modern era most men have been able to have much younger girls for marriage and this still continues in Latin America, and South East Asia.

      2. Ian December 10, 2014 at 7:21 pm

        Typo on autocorrect on my phone-
        I am into relationships.

        In fact my goal is to marry a college aged girl in EE if she’s sweet, feminine, loving, rational- you know all the traits the feminazis brainwash out of girls via academia, media, and cultural propaganda.

        I thought of Romania as an option too-not as expensive as the Baltics or Central Europe with curvy yet thin girls who have style.

      3. FormerCanadian December 11, 2014 at 10:05 am

        Forget Romania and try Ukraine or Russia instead!

      4. Ian December 11, 2014 at 2:16 pm

        Did you see the girls in the streets in Rooshs YouTube while he was in Romania being filmed cold approaching? Girls that were common were like the upper tier in many US cities. Those club girls looked like movie stars man-a ton of beauty in Romania.

        Even for yourself in UA currently I bet you can’t walk 5 blocks without seeing a couple of 8s, right?

        Do guys over there view their locl Ukraine beauties as common as a cheeseburger is in suburban America aka they’re everywhere, its no big deal, if I don’t get one now I can later, etc.?

        That’s the irony of America-muscular dudes with good jobs, nice places, and many of them have to go all out for 7s and 8s-from what I’ve seen Ukraine is like a big, yet civilized white slum full of hot girls and there doesn’t seem to be as much to do but if you have a bottle of wine, a mattress, and Irina the 8-times are good despite the weather and ghetto looking country.

      5. FormerCanadian December 11, 2014 at 4:03 pm

        1. I sure did see some of those girls in Roosh videom but I’ll still stand firm and support my views and visions about Ukraine and Russia being the best spots.
        2. True that, if I were to walk 5 blocks in any Ukrainian city I’d easily see several gorgeous females while walking.
        3. True, again! Local males ain’t worried when they get rejected cause they can approach another females who’d be as gorgeous in a matter of minutes be it on the street, in the store or in a night club.
        4. Ukraine and Russia ain’t no ghetto, pal;) The quality of life may not be as high as in Canada or US but I don’t give a shit about that when I can have an amazing sexy, stylish and simply gorgeous female by my side who also shares my views of life and relationship in general!!
        5. Damn, I should just get out and make a winter video of Odessa and vicinity;) Better yet a winter video showcasing some gorgeous local females.

      6. Ian December 11, 2014 at 4:09 pm

        You should of the college areas you spoke of. Do it man. Show us how the better life really is.

      7. anon1 December 11, 2014 at 7:11 pm

        From the experience i’ve had (non-gypsy) romanian girls {who are students or do nursing} are lovely, broadly speaking.

        but i havent met any ukrainian woman.

        i met one russian girl, and she was a ballbreaking icequeen who came over to study in england. there was no way at the time i met her that i would be sufficiently boarish, and tough to have broke through the ice

      8. FormerCanadian December 11, 2014 at 3:55 pm

        We all have our own tastes, criteria and preferences.
        Romania is definitely NOT for me and a lot of folks gonna tell you that NOTHING beats Ukraine and Russia in terms of finding stylish, sexy and smart females!

      9. FormerCanadian December 11, 2014 at 4:47 pm

        I’ve just watched the video one more time and can assure you that girls in ANY city in Russia or Ukraine would “beat” girls shown in video in terms of sex appeal, style and general attractiveness.

      10. Graft December 12, 2014 at 6:06 pm

        LMAO when Roosh explains the feminist tax system in rudimentary English at 2:00: “I feel sorry for the men they pay tax so high for women so ugly”

      11. FormerCanadian December 11, 2014 at 10:03 am

        I always say what I mean, man. YES, it is very possible for a 40+ y.o. male to date and marry 20-25 y.o. female in Ukraine and examples are plenty.
        It ain’t unreal and it does happen a lot here in Eastern Europe.
        No, you don’t have to have super good game, looks or loads of money, but still HAVE TO take good care of yourself, look sporty, be able to hold a meaningful conversation and treat her with respect, support and understanding. It ain’t preying on poor girls, it is understanding that an honest and evolving relationship is a two way street and BOTH parties have to give in order to receive. Eastern European females do understand this concept whereas North American women are completely foreign to this.
        Get in touch with me at: [email protected] if you want to know more about an opportunity for you to live a life YOU want!

      12. FormerCanadian December 11, 2014 at 10:07 am

        Add on: YES, these young 20-25 y.o. girls will be down for marriage!!!

      13. Ian December 11, 2014 at 5:02 pm

        I commend you for living the dream man but I don’t know how to make money overseas.

        I wish you could tell me more of your own experiences with N American women and how bad they were and how good things are now for you man.

        One thing I hate about Americans is how they beat around the bush and don’t say what they really think and what’s on their hearts and anyone that does in terms of dating is seen as “going for the kill” to soon or needy for just being genuine man. Perky tits were meant to be slayed-it’s why we have so many people on the Planet-chicks need pipe laid regularly yet people say saying what you mean is a bad thing-only in America.

      14. FormerCanadian December 12, 2014 at 4:11 pm

        It’s very easy to live one’s dream, but one has to have balls and be politically incorrect while daring to stand up and be counted and to lead by example.
        You can teach English overseas, you can get into travel business, you can apply for a position at an international company looking for an American to fill the void of local language skills (not a lot of folks here are FLUENT in English). The list goes on and on. Nothing’s gonna change if you just stay where you are at right now and never dare to make a move.
        My experiences with American women (or Canadian for this matter)? Guess they are similar to what an overwhelming majority of males do experience in North America: if you don’t make A LOT of money, do not own a nice lakefront condo and a couple of nice fancy cars then women won’t even consider you to be worth any attention.
        Those above mentioned things are only prerequisites (!!!!!!) for a simple first date!! More factors come into play if a relationship happens to evolve somehow and those factors come as ever increasing demands from a Canadian female without her ever making any effort to give anything back.
        Situation is just the opposite in Russia or Ukraine where women know that a strong, lasting and evolving relationship is based on qualities like honesty, integrity, dignity, respect, sexual harmony, mutual understanding and support. Try mentioning these things to a Canadian female and observe her reaction;)
        North American women are all about a “ME ME ME FIRST!!” attitude and it ain’t ever gonna change.
        Giving comes BEFORE receiving but this is unheard of in North American relationships.
        Again-don’t be afraid to make a move and leave North America behind! You are the Master of your own destiny! Don’t let mainstream politically correct propaganda decide what’s good and bad for YOU!

  10. zaqan December 10, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Con 3: I run a page on facebook and I am absolutely addicted to sharing content and getting feedback. I feel like a failure if I dont get likes or comments.

    1. Aleksandra Zivkovic September 27, 2017 at 10:26 pm

      Because you are an idiot.

  11. Jonathan Roseland December 10, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    I still remember my first ‘groupie lay’ back when my blog had barely a hundred readers. I just told her I was leaving the country soon we boned. It was one of my easier lays

  12. david December 10, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    Hi Roosh,

    I respect all your work,im a frenchie living in Sydney for few years now and I have traveled like you in more than 40 countries.
    I have lived one year in colombia and few months in estonia
    You are smart guy roosh,hopefully one day i will meet you in sydney

  13. SeuthestheThird December 11, 2014 at 6:55 am

    Fame = Attention seeking addiction = Ego trip with up and downs = Eventual Failure

    I truly respect people who do great things but stay mysteriously hidden behind the curtains. That’s class.

    1. Tusker December 11, 2014 at 7:13 am

      “I truly respect people who do great things but stay mysteriously hidden behind the curtains. That’s class.”

      Like who?

      1. SeuthestheThird December 12, 2014 at 7:10 am

        Like all secret societies.

      2. Aleksandra Zivkovic September 27, 2017 at 10:28 pm

        Many, ostrich brain.

      3. Boris Govnic October 10, 2017 at 11:15 pm

        dobar dan aleksandra

  14. Kevin Lauder December 11, 2014 at 10:36 am

    I can totally understand the #1 drawback of fame: it crushes your ego. At one point I was semi-famous on a particular forum. You do get a lot of haters. Not as famous as Roosh, but famous enough that I got the hate. You have to have a thick skin to be famous.

    Obviously in person hate is a lot more ego crushing.

  15. Schultz December 11, 2014 at 10:57 am

    “Additionally with fame, your business is more susceptible to attacks from deeply committed haters and stalkers than if you were more anonymous”

    The more I think about it, the more I realize that any human being, no matter how benign his existence is, will always be hated by someone. Fame simply puts an individual on the radar and thus a target.

  16. CamelJockey December 11, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    I’m semi-semi-semi-famous….I used to post on the Misc on bodybuilding.com and became very well known. Just google “Cameljockey” and you’ll see hundreds of photoshops people have made with my pics. I had a bad picture of myself as my avatar and everyone called me ugly LOL but I just ran with the jokes and everyone eventually loved me

    It’s definitely a bit weird to have people recognize you in real life. I’ve had guys in the gym recognize me, guys on the street, a guy in the club, a guy working in Chipotle, even a TSA agent at the airport!

    1. Graft December 12, 2014 at 6:09 pm

      That’s hilarious.

    2. os23 December 14, 2014 at 3:28 am

      Just seen the posts..ya allah people are trolls

    3. TheWerewolfViking December 17, 2014 at 12:17 pm

      Good on you for owning that, man! Turn something that would have bothered others into a strength. That kicks serious ass.

      After finding a major thread I swear I haven’t laughed that hard in ages. Me and the boys would make similar ridiculous photoshopped pics of each other back in the day all in good fun and this brought back a lot of memories. Much respect for running with it and I hope your semi-fame brings you some unexpected benefits. Peace brother.

  17. Matt December 11, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    Funny you should mention it, I used to play bass at 15 and I did indeed get laid from playing it haha. Women-wise things went down hill around 21 though, only picked up again around 27 due to a multitude of things. Wish I’d given the band thing more of a go as I’m 29 now…

    1. Mike December 12, 2014 at 9:56 am

      Matt- ever heard of the arena rocking bands Bush or Fuel?

      Their lead guitarist founders were like your age when they started their bands.
      You must be on the East coast of The US to have such a despondent view.

  18. anon1 December 11, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    story time (if bored, just ignore and scroll to lessons learned):

    briefly (5 days over a week) had the attentions of a extremely attractive romanian girl recently.

    beautiful like a model but absolutely batshit crazy. she was one of those instagram types that quite a few thousand followers.

    it was interesting looking at the world through her eyes for a brief moment. just how many people fawned over her. just how demanding and super insecure she was about herself. how time and time again she’d insult her many admirers and call them every kind of name under the sun. (hot girls are semi famous)

    i think what was weird was at the day 2 mark she blew up with me over some petty perceived slight. i went full beta (i had never been with a woman this insanely attractive so unfortunately learned-alpha-behaviour bailed and bitch beta came back). anyway so by that evening i was pissed and was done with her.

    i stopped all contact with her, and by about day 4 (so 2 days cold turkey) she got back into contact with me. i read the messages several hours late (which had played to my advantage, because im sure if i saw them at the time i would have just replied immediately with something stupid and herbish) and after the first petty oneliner insulting one (apparently standard fare for hot and crazy to do this, or so i’d learn) the next few became apologetic but still not quite conceding her own craziness.

    I replied with something that was nonchalant and things went back to semi-okay. I say semi, because i absolutely hated her personality, but she was so hot i basically had a semi-chub around her at all times.

    Well somehow she figures out i had been talking to a few other romanian girls that were from the same area. and she blew up.

    I mean crazy crazy blew up. and then by the 5th day with her (so the 7th day of the week) we were done.


    I learned some important points which as someone who is still so fucking new at this shit (in practicality rather than theory) might be of use, even though they are somewhat obvious:

    -Hot girls live in a completely different bubble to you or I. Their world is like semi famous game all the time. But the one thing they have going for them, and that a person could use to connect with them, if you wanted is their deep sadness. Ethics aside, thats how i connected with this girl, no other shit came even close. But that wont keep you the girl.

    -Really hot & Crazy is a lot of work. There are shit tests all the time. They never stop. There’s drama 24/7. And the only thing that keeps you coming back is how hot they are. Its basically self flagellation. They fuck with your whole world. If you’re like me and want peaceful and obedient woman, you have to accept the fact that she’s going to likely be in the 6-7 range, rather than the 8-9 range (which this rou hottie was). I thought with enough bullshitting i could handle her, but no, you need discipline. My game is poet game. I know how to write, talk and deconstruct a woman in such a way that she feels like a special and unique snowflake. Its passionate, insanely over the top and works on bad bitches that have had their hearts smashed many times. (no negging or any of that). But bad bitches are still bad bitches ultimately. Its one thing to intellectually know this, its quite another to actually experience it, and then go “oh shit, that stuff roosh said was totally right”

    -Being with someone super hot-crazy and not having good frame control (of your own state) is a recipe for going nuts.

    They will throw everything at you, and then come crawling to you to get their protective caring daddy fix. I fucked this area up big time. It was fun to be with someone leagues hotter than anyone i have ever dated, but the ball breaking was tiring. And as i said this was a bad bitch, someone who had probably been fucked over by many alphas in her time and burnt that made her jaded and cynical. and skinny.

    -Your brain will fuck with you.

    Because of how hot she is, you have to decide whether you have red lines, and when to walk away. I have walked away now, but just the sheer electricity around a hot bad bitch makes it very difficult to do so. But you must walk away, otherwise you’re basically no better than a trodden-on dildo for her that barks words of encouragement and attention.

    -They’ll be jealous. Of everything.

    -You gotta do like roosh and put in the hours if you want the muscle memory to tame girls with higher aesthetics.

    As exciting as those few days were (in terms of the euphoria of being with someone so hot, so sexy, and at times loving) the lows were awful (your brain will fuck with you, your self worth will come down as they constantly shit test you, and you’ll want to tell them to fuck off {thus solidifying their theory that all men hate them and they’re ugly. nothing to do with their insane personality.} but their body would be too tight and taut for you to actually go through with doing that. leaving you in a kind of almost eunuch-in-a-harem style purgatory that makes you go a little mad.)

    I’m glad i had the experience because it taught me that i have much to learn and that i can’t yet handle girls at the highest level. As great as it was to be with someone so fit you can’t think straight, your mind and your values are more important. I know that i want a woman thats coherent enough that her wildness can be tamed, and then maybe over time work my way up to batting at the higher level.

    At the moment though at least now i have a frame of reference when people say “No matter how hot she is, somewhere out there is a guy who’s sick and tired of putting up with her shit. “

    1. Niko December 11, 2014 at 8:44 pm

      Is it reasonable for guys to be newbies in their early 30s or is it too late?

      1. anon1 December 11, 2014 at 10:05 pm

        no such thing as too late mate.

        for a guy, you have transferable skills that you’ve learned early and feel confident in that can be switched over to masculinity, and game with women.

        i’m not an expert, roosh knows his shit, chris from goodlookingloser has some good stuff, mike from dangerandplay and victor from boldanddetermined have good works on masculinity.

        anyway i’m rambling, the point is, for a man its never too late. We basically get more desireable as we age, you just gotta work on your pursuits, and your confidence and follow people who have tread the path before you, making sure to tailor their ideas to your style. Also keep fit.

        a really good first resource i would recommend is the book No more mr nice guy by Dr Robert Glover. Its entry point red pill but is fantastic at speaking in plain english about what men need to recapture in their lives.

        TL;dR: there is no such thing as too late. start right now. right at this moment.

  19. hbg December 12, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    could you elaborate on club photographer fame…

  20. Mindcrusher December 18, 2014 at 9:13 am

    I think i will probably live that in a couple years, because iam making psychedelic trance music for a year, and in one little year without playing in major parties, and not promoting myself a lot, i almost feel “semi famous” and i know that this will just increase, until in couple years probably i will be a famous or semi-famous guy…

    The downside in that is that iam married, and i really love my girl. My game is good, is very good, and i have a nice notch count despite im being young (24 years now)…. But every weekend when im playing i constantly have to tell “No” to beautiful, young, hot and drugged babies… OOoooOOOooo lifeee is mysterious!!!

  21. desbest December 18, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Roosh is doing a service to men worldwide and is bringing back our masculinity in spite of the feminists who want us to be effeminate. You’re very intelligent to do all this by yourself and get your name out there.

  22. shmiggen December 21, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Music is in the shitter now that male musicians are beginning to look more gay. i’ve even heard that there are now gay country bands. I think the route you’ve chosen is good. If I were you I’d max it out and then look for a new line of work when you hit 45.

  23. MajorStyles December 22, 2014 at 6:25 am

    I was a performing musician for years and I can attest to your final conclusion. I would get laid often, simply from having a decent turnout at a local music event. Women ache to be part of the evening’s history, which often means blowing the bass player in the parking lot at 3am.
    The only problem comes with holding onto them after. Most musicians have shitty game, accompanied by beta/leftist tendencies. This becomes a turnoff as the relationship proceeds.
    Thus, you come back to the tenets of game.

  24. tom January 5, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    Did you consider non-nasculine fields. For instance a male dancer or a male fashion designer gets loads of pussy.

  25. tom January 5, 2015 at 8:30 pm

    You could become famous for being a great dancer but just be some average joe otherwise. No need to play in some crappy band!

  26. Guest January 8, 2015 at 7:39 am

    These days, you can’t call yourself “semi-famous” until you have a Patreon account.