I’d like to share some things I’ve learned about women from the relationships I’ve had. A lot of that experience comes from Eastern European girls, who are more feminine than American girls, but I believe the true nature of women is the same no matter where you go, lurking underneath regardless of outward presentation and behavior.

1. They lie a lot

Men assert their interests through logic, dominance, and physical strength. Women assert their interests through beauty, guile, and deception. A girl has self-interest in a relationship that may not overlap with yours, and will use her strengths to maintain that interest. Lying is one of the ways she steers the relationship into her desired destination, and this is often done unconsciously to the point where she may actually believe the lies she is telling you.

Girls who are more moral or “good” compared to others can still lie by omission. Because they feel some guilt with bold face lies, they instead craft narratives that leave out damaging facts which may cause her to lose power or standing in the relationship. Lying by omission requires a careful editor within their minds that are meticulous about removing details that can cause problems, especially in their encounters with other men.

For example, imagine a a girl asking her man what he did during the day. He replies, “I ran into a girl I knew today and we had a cup of tea.” He was walking home from work, suddenly recognized a girl he went to college with, popped into a cafe to talk about old friends for twenty minutes, and then gave her a handshake goodbye without any suggestive touching or flirting.

Now imagine a man asking a girl the same question. She replies, “I ran into a guy I knew today and we had a cup of tea.” The event happened in the same way as the man, right? Wrong. What actually happened was an old flame contacted her on Facebook, they exchanged several dozen suggestive messages that included kiss emoticons, he asked her to meet at a specific time in front of a cafe, they went inside and talked for two hours, their legs touched underneath the table, they reminisced about a past drunken hookup, they went for a walk to a nearby lake where more incidental touching happened, and then finally they said goodbye with the guy failing to get a lip kiss and having to settle for a playful grab of her ass.

What she told her boyfriend about the event was not a lie in her mind, but he thinks the event happened in the same way if he recounted it to her. As you can see, asking a girl to narrate an event will not get you close to the truth, because the truth would damage her standing in the relationship. The truth can only be uncovered after asking specific questions.

  • How exactly do you know this guy?
  • Did you hook up with him in the past?
  • How long were you at the cafe?
  • Did he try to touch you?
  • Where did you go after the cafe?
  • What exactly did you talk about?
  • How did he say goodbye to you?

This is exhausting for you to perform, but may be prudent if you are suspicious about a certain encounter. If she hesitates at an answer, you are witnessing her editing mechanism at work, and can assume she has gone from lying by omission to outright lying.

2. They’re time vampires

The late comic Patrice O’ Neal, who dropped reams of red pill relationship advice on the Black Philip Show, called women “time vampires.” He described how for men, the actual sex act is the most pleasurable part of being with a woman, but for a woman, merely having a man spend time on them is the sex. They like being taken out, doted on, entertained, and so on. This explains why they will go on dates with men they don’t even like, because the act of going out and being “hunted” by a man is so extremely validating.

Men just want sex, a bit of intimacy, a companion to eat or watch movies with, and space. Women want sex, cuddling, and endless hours of conversation about nothing important. She wants her man to be a problem solver, psychologist, warrior, and punching bag all in one, and even if you satisfy those needs, she will always want more, because it’s in her nature to keep extracting value.

For whatever reason, a woman finds it impossible to be alone. They’ll spend time with someone they hate, or who they are intensely jealous of, than be alone. A woman rather have a gaggle of gay friends, and hear them constantly talk about butt sex, then watch documentaries or read old books. Their primary fear in life is being alone, something that many men actually desire. A man would not spend time with someone else he dislikes from fear of being alone, because it’s during his alone time that he can recharge his batteries and process his experiences.

When a girl identifies you as a romantic boyfriend, what she really has found is a “time friend,” someone who can now spend dozens of hours a week with her, just so she doesn’t have to be with her own mind. For men who do value their alone time, this causes the bulk of relationship conflicts, but since pussy feels so good, we continue making the sacrifice, as we have been doing for millennia.

3. They have nothing going on in their lives


Waiting in line for a little cupcake

Time vampires need other people’s time because they have nothing going on in their own lives. Men have peculiar interests and hobbies that can occupy them endlessly. I’ve gone days without human contact while working on a particular book project or web site, and didn’t feel particularly pained.

Women don’t have hobbies or interests that are not external projections of how they wish to see themselves. Their primary life interest is men, because only men allow them to construct an image to others of who they want to be seen as: a good girlfriend, a girl in love, a girl who another man greatly desires, a sexy woman, an honorable woman, and so on. The man is a needed accessory in this manipulation, which is why it’s so common for a girl to dive into a long-term relationship, and profess her love for a man, only to cheat on him from the weakest of impulses. The relationship merely serves as validation of how she wants to be seen, not who she really is. The gap between who she wants to be and who she actually is gets taken care of by her advanced rationalization mechanism that prevents her from accepting she is rather clueless and makes grievous mistakes.

It’s her relationships with men that give her definition to her life, because outside of it, she has nothing but Facebook news feeds, Instagram, pop trends, a mind-numbing job, and friends who mainly talk about other men, gossip, text messaging, and feminine hygiene. Besides work, which she pursues partly to have more leverage in her relationships with men by not needing their money (compared to many men who actually enjoy their jobs), she has no identity that she can call her own, no interests to ground her, no passions that are unrelated to men and being seen as attractive by them.

The above is a nice way of saying the following: if women were judged by how they judge men, they’d be losers. Put a dick on just about any woman you know and watch her instantly transform into a loser, one who is addicted to social media, overpriced restaurants, toxic entertainment, and endless validation from strangers. The biggest male loser is as accomplished, talented, and skilled as the biggest female “winner,” and the only reason very few girls are seen as losers is because they have a pussy, and just about all pussies feel good, regardless of who it’s attached to.

4. They are unable to perceive their own hypocrisy

Women will hold you to a standard, at the threat of dumping you if you break it, when she herself is not holding that standard. They do the very things they wouldn’t want you doing, and rationalize it by saying that what she’s doing is actually different, when in all likelihood it’s even worse. They remember every thing you said, even from years ago, but can’t see a behavior they did just last week that contradicts her standards for you.

Women have no objective standard or morality, and thus no way to identify if they are right or wrong about anything. Instead, they use pure emotion to guide their behavior. If they feel good then it must be just. If they feel bad then it must not be. Since emotions can twist the perception of any event, she will simply do what she wants to do and find an emotional path or false strain of logic to convince her it was right.

The most amazing behavior I’ve seen in women is denying something that you caught them doing. You can show them evidence, right to their face, and they will deny it, and then find a way to blame you for it. I have been warned about this before, but was skeptical until I experienced myself. She is such an unreliable “witness” to her own behavior that there may be no point to ever getting an explanation from her about anything. If you don’t know the facts about something, and need her side of the story to get the facts, you’ll never get the facts.

5. It takes a village to keep a woman monogamous

I don’t care how much of an alpha male you are, or how tight your game is, but if you are the only positive influence in your girlfriend or wife’s life, and everything else around her is pushing her to feed her primal need of pleasure, fun, and higher status men, you will get burned. You will not provide an “oasis” of tradition and monogamy if everything else is programming her for feminism and promiscuity. You may be able to keep it together for a few months, a few years, and maybe even a decade, but eventually it will collapse.

I’ve learned that having game is only half of the component to maintaining a healthy relationship. The other half is having her in an environment that tells hers to “cherish your man, be faithful, have children.” Otherwise you will lose. We’re all products of our environment, whether we want to admit it or not, but this impacts women even more because they operate on the consensus of others.

If everyone started jumping off a bridge tomorrow, she would too, because it’s the social proof which convinces her that it’s an activity she would feel good doing. On the other hand, men operate on hierarchy, and we only follow the top dog. If everyone is jumping off the bridge, but our leader doesn’t, we do not jump off the bridge. A man will not follow a crowd of weak men because they are numerous, unlike a woman, who thinks that participating with the majority will make her feel good by lowering her chance of being rejected or ostracized from a group.

For one of my relationships, I tried to create a serene bubble of patriarchy and goodness, and it worked for a while, but eventually I lost out to Facebook, her promiscuous friends, her enabling relatives, and to the degenerate majority. By dating one girl, you date the world around her, and if that world is sick, a negative outcome is inevitable.

6. Red flags are red for a reason

If a girl has done what you consider a red flag, you know she will not be suitable for a long-term relationship. But when you really like a girl, and emotion starts to cloud your logic, you find a way to transform a red flag into a yellow flag. You ignore the advice of your friends, ignore your own instinct, and start looking for insignificant green flags as counterweights to justify the relationship until it all falls apart.

A woman’s actions do not lie. I repeat: a woman’s actions do not lie. Her words are an unreliable witness and must be ignored. The way she acts and behaves is who she is, not what she says. If her actions tell you she’s not quality material, don’t make her a wife. The problem is that men get so caught up in a girl’s beauty and pussy that they actively try to turn the ho or feminist into a housewife.

I can now see the futility in asking a girl how many partners she has been with. You won’t ever get the truth. A girl has the most incentive to lie about this, along with other features of her past, so look at her actions instead. How comfortable with sex is she? How flirtatious was she with you in the beginning? How slutty are her friends? From these observations, you will be able to surmise a number, even if she tries to lie about her actions by playing hard-to-get with you specifically. If a girl couldn’t resist your game, she also can’t resist the game of many other men.

Conclusion

When it comes to relationships, my standards are impossibly high, and I will be the first to admit that, but it’s based on the logic of modern relationships and the fact that I don’t want to experience a divorce like my parents did. If a woman marries the wrong man, divorce is easy for her. She gets the children, house, monthly payments, and community support for being so brave. If a man marries the wrong woman, his life is ruined. He gets depression, destitution, suicidal thoughts, and children that are programmed to hate him. Who has to be more careful about any decision to enter a long-term relationship that may result in children?

I have high relationship standards because the stakes are high, so I will use my knowledge of the true nature of women, which I’ve spelled out here, and then use logic to determine which woman may be the mother of my children. If I ignore that true nature, I may enjoy bliss for maybe a few years (if I’m lucky) until the hammer comes down on me, and I’m left in a miserable position compared to an ex who is galloping away with my property and children. I’m at the point in my life where I wouldn’t mind having children, but I am also a man who can accept being alone. The latter is surely a better option than being a victim to something I could have predicted would happen.

Read Next: The Dangers Of Romantic Love

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Petruccio
Petruccio
3 years ago

Roosh, you are wrong about how she “wants her man to be a problem solver”. She wants drama, conflict, and the man to be an emotional tampon. Solve the problem at hand (as we men do) and the drama ends. Women want problems to alleviate their boredom. Men want less bullshit, therefore we solve the problem, and thus never satisfy the woman.

Mensch
Mensch
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

Truest words.
“Women want problems to alleviate their boredom.”
That’s why they are in favor of mass migration and why they are traveling to South Africa and India.

anon1
anon1
3 years ago
Reply to  Mensch

they’re travelling to south africa and india?

i thought they’re travelling to jamaica and morocco

GRock
GRock
3 years ago
Reply to  anon1

English women are literally traveling to Africa, screwing tribal Africans who carry HIV for the “thrill” of “good sex.” Mental disease now spreading deadly disease. Risk? Who cares.

Kwokka_54
Kwokka_54
3 years ago
Reply to  GRock

good, maybe these broads will get weeded out by Darwin then.

capn_saveahoe
capn_saveahoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Kwokka_54

Fuck, I hope!

R Sagan
R Sagan
3 years ago
Reply to  GRock

They should STAY in Africa, then.

LIVE FREE OR DIE
LIVE FREE OR DIE
2 years ago
Reply to  GRock

While they’re gone: LEAVE.

Take The Red Pill
Take The Red Pill
3 years ago
Reply to  anon1

They’re also alleviating their ‘excitement’ fix by supporting the ‘immigration’ of Muslim ‘refugees’ into the West.
And they’re now enjoying the results of their actions in Sweden, Britain, Germany, and France…

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago

Fake News Story.

fatt_sam
fatt_sam
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

Girls do not want verbal solutions to their “problems”, as you say, they want you to be an emotional tampon. But, they do want you to solve their real problems, they often won’t tell you what they are though.

Pretend “Problem” : ” I’m supposed to be meeting so and so later, I don’t feel like it”
pretend answer – ” don’t you babe? Tell me about it…”

Real problem: ” I’ve got nowhere to put this new lamp I’ve bought ”

Answer: put a shelf up ( demand a blow job minimum )

Brutus Maximus
Brutus Maximus
3 years ago
Reply to  fatt_sam

and they like trick questions such as “Which one do you prefer, blue or red ???” Doesn’t matter how many valid arguments you present, you’re always wrong.

PoeTentiate
PoeTentiate
3 years ago
Reply to  Brutus Maximus

yes, or where do you want to eat, it’s almost cliche that she wants you to figure out where/what she feels like eating.

maniacprovost
maniacprovost
3 years ago
Reply to  PoeTentiate

Even if you don’t want to eat anything, and she “doesn’t care,” not eating out is NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.

GRock
GRock
3 years ago
Reply to  PoeTentiate

I’ve been chastised in an LTR for us “doing what you always want to do.” However, with limited time, and female indecision consistent, I make the plans.

Funny bitch, instead of thanking me for actually being able to make a fucking decision without wasting half the weekend, which commonly provides new experiences for one or both of us, you come back after the fact and use it as a anchor point for a fight and drama. Stupid cunts.

It really becomes to much waste of time and resources, jsut for a wet dick and a little companionship.

PoeTentiate
PoeTentiate
2 years ago
Reply to  GRock

She’ll typically pout and let me have it for days afterwards if we actually go somewhere that (apparently only) I actually wanted to try.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  PoeTentiate

Her: I don’t like that place
Me: that’s where we’re going then.
Her: Why can’t you tell what I’m feeling like? You’re such a dick.
Me: Don’t ask the question if you don’t like the answer. Say what you want or learn to cook.

Take The Red Pill
Take The Red Pill
3 years ago
Reply to  Brutus Maximus

Don’t forget their favorite: “do these pants make my butt look big?”

Even poor ‘Honest Abe’ couldn’t get away from it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZuJHVNSi7A

Brutus Maximus
Brutus Maximus
3 years ago

the answer doesn’t matter they’ll give you shit either way.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago

I always say yes.

GRock
GRock
3 years ago
Reply to  Brutus Maximus

That’s when I say:”Red, it reminds me of your bloody haunches.” That usually ends it.

Petruccio
Petruccio
3 years ago
Reply to  fatt_sam

So what makes the difference between spit and swallow?

Baby Shoes
Baby Shoes
3 years ago
Reply to  fatt_sam

Demand! Ha ha

Brutus Maximus
Brutus Maximus
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

Great truth. It’s a constant tension-release situation.
Never ever answer the question “Honey do you think I’m fat ?”

Petruccio
Petruccio
3 years ago
Reply to  Brutus Maximus

Or, never give a direct answer. Answer a question with a question.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

Is the catholic church full of pedophiles?

Shmalkandik
Shmalkandik
3 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Henry

When was the last time you heard of a muslim cleric suffer any negative consequences of his sodomy with young boys?

KansasBred78
KansasBred78
3 years ago
Reply to  Brutus Maximus

I’m always like, goddamn right you are, get that cottage cheese butt on the stairmaster or hit the road, jackass.

Nigel McPhearson
Nigel McPhearson
3 years ago
Reply to  KansasBred78

Exactly. Shut that shut down fast. Be gentle but candid (if you like her) If she responds to your honesty with an eagerness to please you and impress you than she’s a keeper. If she responds with anger than she’s trouble

Bill Davis
Bill Davis
3 years ago
Reply to  Brutus Maximus

I just tell ’em they’re fat.

PoeTentiate
PoeTentiate
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

I disagree, the problem-solver part is definitely there, sometimes to the point (in my case) of her attempting to foist on you any decisions which carry risk whether or not you’re qualified to make them, in which case you can be the punching bag when the decision is wrong.

GRock
GRock
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

I had a crafty bitch for 14 month run who even softly sold herself as the “trouble free” partner who I’d probably not find “very exciting” because she’s “drama free.” We all know the translation, just reverse of everything she claimed ultimately. It took a good 11 months or so before little spouts arose. In fact right on que from my estimated chronology. Ever hear this?:

“You just don’t understand women!” Naw slut, I understand them too well.. you know it, I know it, and you can’t keep winning with your b.s. which is why it’s over.

prepped
prepped
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

I concur.

Women don’t want their problems solved. They’d rather bitch about a problem endlessly, feeding their emotional brain centers, than have a capable man solve the problem for them. I see it from my mother’s generation (80+) all the way down to this year’s crop of barely legal bikini butt babes.

Drama is dopamine for the female brain. Everything in our culture is geared towards providing that to women via mainstream and social media.

Bill
Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  prepped

I experienced the “anger” from my ex a few times until I told her flat out if she had a problem she could keep it to herself (worked out surprisingly well).

We were driving home from dinner and she launched into this huge problem that she needed to ask “advice” for. So naturally like most men I gave her a solution and half way through my solution shes like “baby, I dont want to you SOLVE my problem, I just wanted you to listen.” It was at that point I had to ask her if she knew how stupid she sounded with that statement.

Petruccio
Petruccio
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

I was wrong about solving “the problem at hand…and the drama ends”. That particular drama ends and she starts new drama.

George ironthumb
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

You must create “problems” via the classic “Dread”

Petruccio
Petruccio
3 years ago

Unfortunately, I’m all too good at dread game and asshole game. They just come naturally to me. I’ll just blame the matriarchy. Heheheh!

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

Visual proof of YOU being in the field and clearly demonstrating these tasks is now required. Show us exactly the process or retract your assertion.

Petruccio
Petruccio
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

Are you shit testing me, Anti-Gnostic? I suspected you of being a woman, but women usually don’t gve Third Grade shit tests.

George ironthumb
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

These punks are keyboard trolls. You won’t find any logical regular reader in Roosh who will just flare out like that and start an argument when no argument is taking place. I was just referring to a logical approach that everyone does to LTR Dread, and all time favorite – the Agree and Amplify. Those shit really work I think we lasted 11 years (since 2006). To be honest it doesn’t get old. I remember one time I bough a sim card and have my female office mate call my LTR’s number looking for me and then just hung up.

Petruccio
Petruccio
3 years ago

My original point about asshole and dread game is that I sometimes can be too good at it to my own detriment. I have little patience for nonsense and call out bullshit when I see it or hear it.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

Dude, put up or shut up. You talk shit, now back it up. Again, record yourself in the field actually employing those two techniques. Post it here. No editing. The entire filming session. It’s called a challenge, bitch.

Petruccio
Petruccio
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

Do you really expect me to dox myself? Nice try cunt.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

No, I expect you to man up and show everyone how good you are at asshole and dread game. Any dude can make a boast on the Internet. You talk shit, now back it up, gamma.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

Don’t talk to your father that way.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

So your asking for a dick pic?

George ironthumb
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

Oh Holy hell – Let’s just drink to that! But the point in hand – “Dread” works no doubt. And this single post, I remember, was what I read back 6 years ago (I think) that got me into this whole manosphere thing – without this, I would have been ignorant all this time http://www.rooshv.com/top-15-game-tips-for-long-term-relationships

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago

Show us how “Dread” works for you. YOU field test it. Record it for all to see to prove you are not full of shit.

Truth
Truth
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

Personally, I dumped punks who act in this manner. Very draining and they are glaring head cases. Playing games is for school School children.

George stink thumb has probably never made it to first base..

George ironthumb
3 years ago
Reply to  Truth

I have ab LTR since 2006. We already have 3 children. You can check my Facebook account (George Frederick Romasanta) if you want proof, you punkass schoolboy

Truth
Truth
3 years ago

If she puts up with your games – your woman ( duly noted she is not your wife) is a complete and utter fool. More so for pooping out your likeness. You POS

George -Ironthumb- Romasanta
Reply to  Truth

What’s a POS?

Kwokka_54
Kwokka_54
3 years ago

“Piece of shit”.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  Truth

Tits or GTFO.

George -Ironthumb- Romasanta
Reply to  Truth

Then show us a “Field Test” on how you dumped “punks” who act in this manner – something tells me you have actually been bedded by more “badboys” than nice guys

George ironthumb
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

@Anti-Gnostic I dont know if that is directed to me or to Petrucio?

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago

It was actually directed at Petruccio.

George -Ironthumb- Romasanta
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

okay…

Baby Shoes
Baby Shoes
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

That’s absolutely correct and I have no patience and tolerance for such behavior.

Take The Red Pill
Take The Red Pill
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio
Ilijas Jung M5M 🇩🇪
Reply to  Petruccio

They just don’t get that the world is hard and evil.
Alle women do is select and consume.
-IJ

MGTOW dum moriar
MGTOW dum moriar
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

You can tell a lot about people by the shows they watch, books they read, etc. Remember that women love watching TV shows and movies about women creating drama.

Kwokka_54
Kwokka_54
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

LMAO emotional tampon… And you are not wrong either

Rhyme Or Reason
Rhyme Or Reason
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

As a man you want to be left alone and don’t want drama or conflict.

This actively is used against you by your woman.

Every time you let her get away with a demand and don’t put up a fight, you lose by default.

This causes her shit testing and resentment to build over time.

R Sagan
R Sagan
3 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

Roosh is a middle-aged loser who wants all other men to be losers just like him. Be skeptical of his “advice.”

123
123
3 years ago
Reply to  R Sagan

LOL. Not losers have women, children, are happy. Losers hate women, play, betray, lie.

LIVE FREE OR DIE
LIVE FREE OR DIE
2 years ago
Reply to  Petruccio

You’re right. Whenever you pose a practical solution for a problem to a bitch, it is outright dismissed if it is even heard. They want “babble”, they want to be listened to, they want they want they want…and in the process take up so much of your time there is nothing left for you. Let them play dolls with themselves. The worst inventions ever conceived were all those aimed at making the drudgery of housework easy; that freed them to pursue absolute useless pastimes like SHOPPING, listening to the brainwashing phlegm of daytime TV and, of course inventing their own rendition of daytime soap operas like SCREWING THY NEIGHBOR.

William
William
3 years ago

You have to live through some of these points to understand how true they are. Well done article.

PoeTentiate
PoeTentiate
3 years ago
Reply to  William

… I was really hoping that this (all of these things) was not true of all women, because I’ve really had about enough.

maniacprovost
maniacprovost
3 years ago
Reply to  PoeTentiate

Well… plenty of women like time alone. But there’s 24 hours in the day, so they still need at least 6-8 hours a day of your attention.

GRock
GRock
3 years ago
Reply to  PoeTentiate

About 80-90% of truly swallowing the red pill is experiencing the epiphany that you’ll never be able to trust any individual woman, or women as a whole.. more than maybe 80-90% of the time about any topic or event. About 7 years ago I entirely quit believing them, all ages. I clumped in guys I know who are easily led around by women, essentially women in their own mental capacity. It’s improved my life.

James
James
3 years ago

Point #5 is what my own personal and subconscious insight warned me about. In my mind it was expressed as the thought that, no matter how superior I was, I couldn’t defeat the whole world if it was against me, and I saw that it was in fact against me. The way I express my attitude now is, I’m not afraid of women, but I am afraid of the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marine Corps, the Coast Guard, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the Marshall Service, the Secret Service, the Forestry Service, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Labor, the Department of Agriculture, the State police, the Highway Patrol, the Sheriff’s Department, the local P.D., and the local dog catcher.

Blinko23
Blinko23
3 years ago
Reply to  James

And don’t forget the Human Resources Dept! Or maybe that’s Human Remorses.

Aulus Plautius
Aulus Plautius
3 years ago
Reply to  Blinko23

and the IRS

Stenka Razin
Stenka Razin
3 years ago
Reply to  Blinko23

God! HR are such C¥NTS!

GRock
GRock
3 years ago
Reply to  James

That’s the real problem. There are no more “Villages” or true “Communities” anymore. In fact, the worst facades masquerading as such have multiple female “leaders.” To think men, who themselves, have had their lives up-ended by the very system they defend – divorced cops, military, et al – have no problem for a paycheck forcing other men to become wage-slaves for a nation of whores, proves 1) the almighty paycheck is king now, and 2) there’s a shit-load of beta males indoctrinated into powerful positions where only a corrupt government can allow their existence. For as many “honorable” servicemen as I know, 2-5x that many bitch servicemen exist I’m afraid.

Savannah Landry
3 years ago
Reply to  GRock

I live in a good community. It is a smaller southern city. I think larger cities are toxic

des111168
des111168
3 years ago

If the big cities all burned to the ground, the country would instantly be a better place.

Kwokka_54
Kwokka_54
3 years ago
Reply to  James

what about the Gestapo, ths Stasi, Savak, Al kaeda, bin laden’s shade und Interpol? Those fuckers are all over everything, they’d tax our shit if they can figure out how.

elco
elco
3 years ago

I feel a bit of MGTOW in this article…

Blinko23
Blinko23
3 years ago
Reply to  elco

It’s time to remove the stigma from the MGTOW acronym, which at it’s heart simply means a man who carves his own independent path through life; A man who generally gives a finger to feminism, MSM lies and any other forces that would attempt to exploit him.

MGTOW does not mean virgin loser who lives in his parents’ basement. But unfortunately a small subset of MGTOW are exactly that and external forces (Feminists, the MSM and some in the manosphere) have succeeded in labeling *all* MGTOW as such. Time to reclaim the label.

Booch Paradise
Booch Paradise
3 years ago
Reply to  Blinko23

I’m pretty sure that they got that stigma because they wouldn’t stop attacking the game community.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  Booch Paradise

Can you prove it was all of them? More than likely it was 20-30 people.

Booch Paradise
Booch Paradise
3 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Henry

You mean not all MRAs are like that? k. But Paul Elam was a few years ago (no idea where he stands now).

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  Booch Paradise

No, MRAs are feminized bitches begging for shit. MGTOWs by and large just want to be left alone from the ones I’ve met.

Booch Paradise
Booch Paradise
3 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Henry

My bad in conflating the two.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  Booch Paradise

No big deal, the MGTOW forums are cancer though, maybe where you got that view…

Dan Timmons
Dan Timmons
3 years ago
Reply to  Blinko23

MGTOW is, to me, a possible outcome to an entirely rational cost:benefit analysis to pursuing relationships with women.

Namely, is the juice worth the squeeze? At my age, increasingly not.

Time vampires indeed.

Michael Augustus
3 years ago

Excellent piece.

Lying

Women only care about two things(especially young girls): Their image, and getting their way. Notice how ‘image’ can be anything the girl wants it to be. Honesty, straight-forwardness, straight talk, and reason hinder her goals.
They are burdens to be alleviated from. When she utilizes these traits, it’s merely coincidental, it just so happens to aid the travel down the path she desires. This is why their brain has the ability to hamster, it’s the ultimate adaptive machine. This is what you witness when you back a woman in a corner logic wise and she’s desperate to retain the image of ‘the winner’, she will conjure a new past (a lie). The system rewrites the narrative via omission by redacting her involvement in its own ‘logical destruction’ from the archives, because to have knowledge of the plot would invoke a sense of responsibility. This memory overwrite is used to expel an internal sense of agency and accountability, the fracturing of the foundation on which her special privilege stands upon. If it wasn’t her fault, it must have been an outside force. If it wasn’t her fault, it’s okay to do it again!

Somewhere between an excuse and a lie, she found something to
believe

She re-frames the situation in a way that portrays herself as the victim of unknown circumstance and intentional wrong doing, justifying rebellion and ignorance, but most importantly, absolving her of all guilt. The idea behind this process is to retain the feelings of before, then redirect the blame. Her quest now becomes righteous. She can now proceed to pursue her
self-interest with conviction (read more: here )

It gets better. When all else fails, you didn’t fall for her lies, and she can’t come up with anymore, the woman will escalate the situation and direct the blame on you, regardless if it’s true. The purpose of this escalation is to force you ‘top her’, and get you all amped-up and in an emotional state. If other people witness this, regardless if you were right the whole time, you look like lunatic
and big bad misogynist being ‘violent’ towards a poor poor woman.

To a non-experienced/blue pill man, her conviction and reluctance to
back down throws him off guard and makes him question himself. “Maybe
I was wrong in some way. She wouldn’t be so confident if that weren’t true”. This is also a great example of the male hamster. When he believes the pussy in front of him is driving away, he lowers his standards, rearranges his life, and reframes situations such that she will remain in his life (at least that’s what he believes). She’s using male psychology against himself. This is textbook gaslighting. It’s a psyche attack. Women use language as a weapon , something you never witness with a girl struggling to speak your language.

The worst part of it all is that most women’s lies are white lies. They’re subtle, which is why betas and society go apeshit when you discuss this subject. You give off the image that they’re violent, abusive tyrants with fangs, but the reality of it isn’t anything remarkable. She says it with a straight face, there’s no dramatic music in the background. Nothing much. THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT. Powertalk and subtlty provide plausible deniability for her (social
image), it allows other people’s hamsters to fill in the vague portrait she has painted.

Don’t bother arguing with women. You’re wasting your time. She knows better or can’t help herself. Women’s well-being is dependent on lies and manipulation because they are not physically and mentally capable of doing things themselves, or if they are, they’re too lazy.

Arthur Ritic
Arthur Ritic
3 years ago

Excellent. Very amusing article.

Scott Jenner
Scott Jenner
3 years ago

I am over 40 and have ZERO desire for marriage, kids or time vampires. I have a dog if I need a companion. To me, at this point all that women offer is SEX. It is easier and less of a hassle to rent a woman.

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago
Reply to  Scott Jenner

Anyone who wants kids, esp in the manosphere, has been duped by the culture they try so hard to rally against.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  Scott Jenner

Unfortunately, you are an enemy to Western Civilization. You have a duty to sire 5 or more white offspring rather than be a drain on our society. Failure to meet this responsibility subjects you to a life of loneliness and cats.

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

By all means, go ahead and create 5 more victims to throw into the this cultural mess by deluding yourself into thinking you have a chance at winning this thing.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

Marriage and children are “cultural messes”? Talk about delusion.

Aaron Scott
Aaron Scott
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

What a stupid, dishonest reply. I guess it would be pointless for me to point out that she disn’t write that children are cultural messes, but would be victims of the cultural mess.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  Aaron Scott

Don’t be an ass. Children being born are not going to be victims of this “cultural mess”.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

I know you’re from pol. Like most there, you are red pilled on race, but not women.

Marraige has become a tool to control men. Jews use propaganda to control women. Therefore, marraige is a tool used by jews to control white men. He has already had three children, more than your autistic ass has done to save the white race.

maniacprovost
maniacprovost
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

What is “winning?” Dying alone in your feces-strewn game room? The nice thing about a family is you create your own culture.

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago
Reply to  maniacprovost

You guys all whine and pout about how the west is in trouble/collapsing and in order to prevent yourselves from sinking into depression have come up with the idiotic idea that having a few kids will change things. I bet you guys believe in a christian god as well. Go ahead, carry on with your delusions.

Proud
Proud
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

I prefer White repatriation from countries like South Africa, Mexico or Argentina, rather than pressure on Whites living in White majority countries to have children, I am White living in Mexico and I wanna be out from here, it doesn’t make sense that my ancestors prefered to live here than in Europe, damn.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

You know it’s summer when the newfags come around.

Show some situational awareness.

Rob Banks
Rob Banks
3 years ago
Reply to  Scott Jenner

so you’re an evolutionary dead-end and you don’t care.

Jess
Jess
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob Banks

Why should anyone care about serving evolution? Is he your relative or something? If it’s about ‘serving humanity’, is the best way you can do this by passing on your particular configuration of genes (most of which are passed on through your relatives), or by your actions during your life?

Demography is Destiny
Demography is Destiny
3 years ago

5 and 6 are good advice, the other points I found subjective, after all.

For 5 there is even a fitting saying in German: “Tinder oder Kinder” (Tinder or children). That’s why I find overuse of smartphones, epitomized in the eternal swiping gesture, more offputting in women than smoking. It immediately raises my suspicion about a Fakebook addict or, worse, a F*ckbook slut, but at least an unsecure person who gives too much on the opinion of others.

Vegard Johansen
Vegard Johansen
3 years ago

And where exactly do you find German women, or Western women in general, that are not smartphone addicts?

Cuckslayer
Cuckslayer
3 years ago

You can’t. German women are useless for partnership.

Extreme_One
Extreme_One
3 years ago

Great article!

Ragnar Redbeard
Ragnar Redbeard
3 years ago

I wouldn’t expect that your parents are divorced, since you talked about their traditionalism. The best way to internalize the red pill wisdom is to see how the female mentality pervades even your closest family members, including mother and sisters. When I noticed that, I fucking woke to reality. AWALT.

GRock
GRock
3 years ago

My ex has decided to stay in contact with my mother and sister, both aged-adults of course. After inquiring to my sister if she’d heard from the ex her fucking response was;”Yea, we’ve talked a few times, just because you two are split up doesn’t mean I have to stop contact with her.” I clump my own family members right in the same bin as ex-lying-2-faced-hoes. Sad but reality… there is no respect or decency among females across the board.

HoToHousewife
HoToHousewife
3 years ago
Reply to  GRock

Why can’t they still like her even though you’ve split up? Wouldn’t it be a bigger lie to pretend they are not friends?

Truth
Truth
3 years ago
Reply to  GRock

Your ex dumped you didn’t she? Why else were you curious about her? Maybe she had good reason. And possibly your female family members are privy to your being a turd. Good for them for seeing that. If the people closest to you are not taking your side on this one maybe- just maybe the problem is you.

Extreme_One
Extreme_One
3 years ago

Keep banging!
Fuck marriage or children! Clone yourself!

Zach the Conqueror
Zach the Conqueror
3 years ago

great post roosh.
having game is only half of the component to maintaining a healthy relationship. The other half is having her in an environment that tells hers to “cherish your man, be faithful, have children.” Otherwise you will lose.
spitting absolute fire my G

Ghost Tiger
Ghost Tiger
3 years ago

Lucid insight Roosh. I agree with everything 100%. I think the best measure of suitability for a potential wife/mate/baby mama is mental health. My best LTR was with a girl who was reasonably sane. Looking back on it, I was crazier than she was and that’s what led to the end of the relationship (I cheated). If her mental health is relatively good, she won’t suffer from extreme boredom and seek drama so much. The factors that I look for to indicate good mental health are:

1) She was raised by both parents in a healthy marriage

2) Her mother is a good role model

3) Her father is masculine

4) Her family is Christian

Dan Timmons
Dan Timmons
3 years ago
Reply to  Ghost Tiger

The jaded side of me has observed that none of the really attractive women I’ve known have simultaneously been sane.

TyKo Steamboat
TyKo Steamboat
3 years ago

Roosh: error in #4, 1st paragraph

“and rationalize it by saying they what she’s doing is actually different”

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago

There’s a severe disconnect in this article if you’re going to arrive at the conclusion that “you wouldn’t mind having children.” Why, so they can experience the world you break down in the paragraphs above? Or are you so deluded that you think you can protect them from the degenerate culture?

Rob Banks
Rob Banks
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

You’re an idiot. Just because you recognize that the culture is fucked up and most women are sluts, you don’t have to relegate yourself to becoming an evolutionary dead-end (not to mention dying alone).

If you don’t have kids because “the culture is fucked up,” then you are letting the fucked-up culture win. You are basically surrendering to the globalist culture and accepting that you will never pass on your genes (while believing that you are somehow winning).

Jess
Jess
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob Banks

How is passing on your genes a sign of winning? That just makes you a slave to evolution. In your books, was Genghis Khan the greatest winner in all of human history?

capn_saveahoe
capn_saveahoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob Banks

Didn’t realize I was required to procreate in order to live a valid existence. Unfortunately, I’m all out of fucks to give.

Rob Banks
Rob Banks
3 years ago
Reply to  capn_saveahoe

Lol. You give so few fucks that you took the time to respond to a month-old comment.

And yes, for most people (normal people at least), procreation and raising a family is important and absolutely necessary in order to live a “valid” (or meaningful) existence.

Your ancestors would be very ashamed of you if they found out that their bloodline (or at least that part of their bloodline) ended with you.

capn_saveahoe
capn_saveahoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob Banks

When you say stupid shit on the internet and a month later someone comes across it and comments on it; that doesn’t mean they give a fuck about your opinion. It just means they think you’re stupid and they happened to have a moment to let you know.
My ancestors are dead, so I doubt they give a fuck whether or not I procreate and I frankly wouldn’t care if they did. They’re not the ones who would have to bring children up in an overpopulated, shallow, selfish world.

Rob Banks
Rob Banks
3 years ago
Reply to  capn_saveahoe

I’d be ashamed if you were my son.

“My ancestors are dead, so I doubt they give a fuck…”

With comments like that, you might as well be pissing on their graves.

I don’t really care what you do in your life (whether you procreate or not). I don’t know you, and frankly, based on your idiotic comments, the rest of us are probably better off if you don’t.

capn_saveahoe
capn_saveahoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob Banks

You seem to care as you made a blaket statement to the effect of “if you don’t procreate, you’re life is worthless”. Fuck off and mind your own god damned business.

Rob Banks
Rob Banks
3 years ago
Reply to  capn_saveahoe

You’re right, I did make a statement to that effect.

However, I don’t care if you live a worthless life because I don’t know you, and you don’t seem like the type of person I would want to know, either.

TyKo Steamboat
TyKo Steamboat
3 years ago

“They like being taken out, doted on, entertained, and so on. This explains why they will go on dates with men they don’t even like, because the act of going out and being “hunted” by a man is so extremely validating.”

Geez… it’s so true, waste my money but don’t waste my time
Last year I had 1 particular girl go on a 2nd date with me. No escalation. Clearly, she just wanted to waste my time & see me out the moves on her.

William Adams
William Adams
3 years ago

Many good points, although I am bit skeptical about the lying aspect. Not because women don’t lie much – they do – but men score higher in the dark triad, including Machiavellianism. In other words they are even more manipulative on average. Men value truth and honor more overall, but he also is hypergamous AND produces sperm 24/7-365. How many men haven’t been unfaithful and lied about it? How many haven’t got horny just about anytime?

Believe me, my girlfriend is very attractive, but there is always some other girl here and there that is somewhat differerent and I wanna bang every now and then. Or they might even me about the same, even slightly worse face-wise, but then they show their legs in summer time and my divine snake (the Devil?) will be petrified within 5 seconds.

Titan000
Titan000
3 years ago

Lots of those issues can be solved by motherhood in a healthy marital relationship if laws were not undermining that.

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago
Reply to  Titan000

It’s amazing how many manosphere types are suckered into thinking that things were so good back in the good old days, when society wasn’t against us. Have you not read an ounce of history?

Titan000
Titan000
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

The old days are far superior in comparison with our day. I don’t deny problems. But they were minimized. And more easily solvable.

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago
Reply to  Titan000

They were not minimized, they were covered up. I’m sure you watched Mad Men, which was a hit in the manosphere due to alpha Don. Sorry pal but things were no better in the good old days.

onetruth
onetruth
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

Mad Men was fiction.

Titan000
Titan000
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

How are they covered up? And no I am not talking about technology but social technology.Chesterton’s fence are you familar with? And no there is no such thing as perfection. Only better. The old days were better socially speaking compared to now.

capn_saveahoe
capn_saveahoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Titan000

A lot of fucked up shit went on back then and nobody talked about it. A lot of child molestation happened, maybe even more than now. Nobody talked about that. Hell no! Bullying and racism was completely acceptable and even encouraged to a point. Just because there were more single income households doesn’t mean people weren’t fucked up.

Titan000
Titan000
3 years ago
Reply to  capn_saveahoe

We don’t know unless there is documentation. Because anyone can make the claims you make.

Titan000
Titan000
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

In addition “traditionalism” especially Patriarchy is quite recent 10000 compared to the countless years of stone age existence . It is a new artificial social technology that helped build civilization. The fact that its so easily torn down shows its fragility and the struggle to maintain it generation after generation.

“Garbage generation ” PDF is a good resource on this.

GRock
GRock
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

Smart phones alone completely trump that thought, and that’s just a device, add in the social media and dating apps… and I have to ask, are you being serious? Life was physically harder, but the rewards when gained were more steadfast, and concrete. As late as 1930s women were being sent to insane asylums for marital adultery… in the history books.

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago
Reply to  GRock

Titan000 is a deluded fool, like most.

Titan000
Titan000
3 years ago

Solution to her lack of purpose is motherhood.

CSR
CSR
3 years ago

Long term monogamy does not work for women and much less for men and it has never did despite the idea you guys have of the supposedly perfect 1950’s American family.

I agree with the rest of the article 100% but I don’t understand why so many red pill men still believe or look for a monogamous LTR knowing it’s impossible. I’m sorry but that’s as blind as getting married knowing the chances of a divorce rape.

I believe in family as the the primary and most important social block but we need to act based on reality.

Hypergamy/serial monogamy and polygamy are the female and male sexual strategies and they are far, far away from long term “forever” monogamy no matter what.

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

These guys are wishing upon a star that things can return to the glorified 50s or 60s, when in truth those times were no better. But it just proves the point that both men and women are delusional. Delusion is the way of the human.

shitstains666
shitstains666
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

It takes a person of high moral standard and integrity, but yes, it is certainly possible and really not all that uncommon.

CSR
CSR
3 years ago
Reply to  shitstains666

When I say it has never worked I mean it.

Back in the “good old days”, long term monogamy and perfect families only seemed to work fine every Sunday at the church. When people went back to their homes, that was a different story.

Moral standards and integrity play no role in this, people have cheated since the very first marriages were arranged the day after the invention of farming. At least back in the day people knew marriages were nothing more than business between families, nothing more. No one can seriously say it makes sense to spend 40 years having sex with just one single person and claim that it’s fine. it doesn’t work and millions upon millions of attorneys, “lovers” and hookers could say a thing or two about this.

Back in the day, I insist, people pretended that everything was going by the book. Far from it.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

Looks like we have a sock puppet here–CSR and Rmax GenActive Pua Mgtow.

“Back in the “good old days”, long term monogamy and perfect families only seemed to work fine every Sunday at the church. When people went back to their homes, that was a different story.”

Specific evidence to back up your assertion?

“Moral standards and integrity play no role in this, people have cheated since the very first marriages were arranged the day after the invention of farming.”

If people cheat outside of marriage, moral standards and integrity do play an integral role here. You make it appear that cheating was widespread and rampant. Again, if you are going to make this claim, you better have proof.

“At least back in the day people knew marriages were nothing more than business between families, nothing more.”

People knew marriage was for business purposes AND to cement their relationship with God.

“No one can seriously say it makes sense to spend 40 years having sex with just one single person and claim that it’s fine.”

Of course people can say this seriously. You just refuse to believe it to be true.

Your line of thinking is irrational. Clearly, you hate the world and yourself. Feel free to live your life in the dark. Leave the world building to us white men.

CSR
CSR
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

“Specific evidence to back up your assertion?”

Yes. It’s called sexual strategy. Lifelong monogamy is completely artificial. Sexual monogamy is not the cornerstone of the Western civilization. Families are.

Having a family is completely unrelated with being forced to have sex with absolutely only one person for the rest of your life. That’s ridiculous and delusional.

“You make it appear that cheating was widespread and rampant. Again, if you are going to make this claim, you better have proof.”

Proof: prostitution has existed since the dawn of mankind. Mix that with the fact that people got married even before being 20 years old.

“People knew marriage was for business purposes AND to cement their relationship with God.”

Religion was meant as a population control system. As you can see, now that it is not needed it has become completely irrelevant. Marriage, to arrive virgin at it, adultery forbidden: all of this was invented to avoid non legitimate kids, that is: birth control and avoid inheritance conflicts. Condoms and contraceptive pills were invented historically one second ago.

“Of course people can say this seriously. You just refuse to believe it to be true.”

They can believe whatever they want, the facts and reality say otherwise.

“Your line of thinking is irrational. Clearly, you hate the world and yourself. Feel free to live your life in the dark. Leave the world building to us white men.”

You have a serious delusional issue. Take the stupid religious and Disney bullshit out of your head and then talk about being rational.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

“Yes. It’s called sexual strategy. Lifelong monogamy is completely artificial.”

Lifelong monogamy is the normal standard in any civilization. Left unchecked, the marriage market would become unbalanced by monopolists, resulting in large numbers of unmarriagable men; and such men tend to become a hazard to themselves and to others. From an evolutionary standpoint, monogamous societies are better equipped at preserving the gene pool.

“Sexual monogamy is not the cornerstone of the Western civilization. Families are.”

No. Families by which there is one man as head of the household and one woman, his bride and helpmate.

“Having a family is completely unrelated with being forced to have sex with absolutely only one person for the rest of your life. That’s ridiculous and delusional.”

It is absolutely related. The stability of a family depends upon the strength of the union between a man and a woman and their commitment to sexual fidelity. From an evolutionary and historical perspective, the attention to properly taking care of children is significantly reduced when a man or a woman is heavily invested in securing sex outside of their bond. The rates of depression and juvenile delinquency among children in particular increase when one parent or both parents are focusing on meeting their most base urges.

“Proof: prostitution has existed since the dawn of mankind. Mix that with the fact that people got married even before being 20 years old.”

Just because there is prostitution does not mean that it lead to widespread and rampant cheating. You have to clearly establish this connection. Men may be single or divorced and secure the services of whores, What is the overall percentage of American men who use prostitutes?
What are their reasons? Then you could start making the argument if this number is relatively high.

“Religion was meant as a population control system.”

Religion is for people to achieve salvation for oneself and others, and to render due worship and obedience to God. Christianity was the prime conveyor of Western Civilization by facilitating conversion. Certainly through this process would it behoove its adherents to have children.

“As you can see, now that it is not needed it has become completely irrelevant.”

Religion is still very much relevant today.

“Marriage, to arrive virgin at it, adultery forbidden: all of this was invented to avoid non legitimate kids, that is:”

“They can believe whatever they want, the facts and reality say otherwise.”

You are making up things as you go along.

“You have a serious delusional issue. Take the stupid religious and Disney bullshit out of your head and then talk about being rational.”

All your lies are belong to us.

CSR
CSR
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

“Lifelong monogamy is the normal standard in any civilization.”

Normal, standard and civilization, ergo as artificial as a skyscraper.

“Left unchecked, the marriage market would become unbalanced by monopolists, resulting in large numbers of unmarriagable men; and such men tend to become a hazard to themselves and to others.”

That’s why marriage, that is forced long term monogamy (or at least faking it) was invented. Congratulations, you are beginning to understand the subject. Change unmarriagable by sex starved and here you go.

“From an evolutionary standpoint, monogamous societies are better equipped at preserving the gene pool.”

Or, at least we could say these societies are sustainable.

“No. Families by which there is one man as head of the household and one woman, his bride and helpmate.”

Again, nothing to do with sexual monogamy.

“The stability of a family depends upon the strength of the union between a man and a woman and their commitment to sexual fidelity.”

Remove sexual fidelity and there you go. It’s the man that has to be alpha enough to make sure he has at least a few sexual options besides his wife. This is not the 1950s anymore. And yes, it’s much more difficult than ever. As a man you are pretty much required to be as alpha as possible because societal programming no longer protects you.

“From an evolutionary and historical perspective, the attention to properly taking care of children is significantly reduced when a man or a woman is heavily invested in securing sex outside of their bond. The rates of depression and juvenile delinquency among children in particular increase when one parent or both parents are focusing on meeting their most base urges.”

Who says you need thaaaaat much time? It doesn’t have to be a sex orgy 24/7. Plus, if the man is alpha enough, the woman will have much less need of finding other partners. Remember they have 10 times less testosterone.

“Just because there is prostitution does not mean that it lead to widespread and rampant cheating.”

Prostitution is not the cause but the effect. And I didn’t say widespread. A little action on the side from time to time is more than enough.

Nothing else to say about religion, irrationality is your problem, not mine.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

“Normal, standard and civilization, ergo as artificial as a skyscraper.”

Nope. People forming civilizations is a natural occurrence.

“That’s why marriage, that is forced long term monogamy (or at least faking it) was invented. Congratulations, you are beginning to understand the subject. Change unmarriagable by sex starved and here you go.”

Monogamy was not “invented”. It is a natural process by which civilization sustains itself.

“Again, nothing to do with sexual monogamy.”

Sexual monogamy is the crux for Western Civilization.

“Remove sexual fidelity and there you go. It’s the man that has to be alpha enough to make sure he has at least a few sexual options besides his wife. This is not the 1950s anymore. And yes, it’s much more difficult than ever. As a man you are pretty much required to be as alpha as possible because societal programming no longer protects you.”

Men are not required to be an alpha to secure a woman and remain faithful. It’s called self-discipline.

“Who says you need thaaaaat much time? It doesn’t have to be a sex orgy 24/7. Plus, if the man is alpha enough, the woman will have much less need of finding other partners. Remember they have 10 times less testosterone.”

Again, men do not need to be “alpha enough” to be in a committed one to one relationship. You are not fooling anyone here.

“Nothing else to say about religion, irrationality is your problem, not mine.”

Because it is easy for you not to be held accountable for your actions. Your kind is a danger to Western Civilization.

Lisa
Lisa
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

Traditional values: “a little action on the side”.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

Anti-Gnostic, while I agree with your points, I find your constant demands for ‘evidence’ and ‘proof’ to be annoying, distracting, and out of context for a comment section on a blog, This isn’t a college thesis paper or a legal brief, it’s an internet debate. Lose the academic bearing and debate within the context of the venue.

Read this:

https://illimitablemen.com/2017/05/26/critical-thinking-the-citation-needed-fallacy/

shitstains666
shitstains666
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

Well, it worked for my parents and it’s working for me. And I am very happy. It really depends on the individual and their values. Plus some of us can control ourselves when faced with temptation… while others cannot. Sex is not the most important thing in life for everyone. Cheating happens because people feel emotionally tied to their partner but are otherwise really not interested in them anymore, and they either lack the courage to break off the relationship or else they’re tied up with other obstacles such as children (which they should have been more responsible about having to begin with). But it certainly is possible to find one person who you’re willing to spend the rest of your life with, have a family, and grow old together, faithfully. Is it “meant” to be that way? There is no right or wrong answer. Again, it depends on the individual. You are free to live your life how you choose but you can’t decide what’s right for others.

CSR
CSR
3 years ago
Reply to  shitstains666

“Well, it worked for my parents and it’s working for me.”

You have no idea if they have cheated or not. Don’t confuse “still together” with “they have never cheated on each other”. Completely different concepts. And it applies to your relationship too. Keep adding years and we’ll see. And you’ll never know if she has already cheated on you if she doesn’t want to be caught because women are much better liars.

“It really depends on the individual and their values.”

No, it depends on biology. Societal pressure can delay the inevitable a little, nothing more. And in today’s western countries, societal pressure is negative: hypergamy out of control. They are telling women to cheat and dump the current loser at the slightest opportunity.

“Cheating happens because people feel emotionally tied to their partner but are otherwise really not interested in them anymore”

You are describing 1:1 a serial monogamy system, which means basically the female sexual strategy. A man doesn’t work like this at all.

“But it certainly is possible to find one person who you’re willing to spend the rest of your life with, have a family, and grow old together, faithfully.”

100% agreed except the “faithfully” part. It’s only possible with a very, very, very low sexual drive couple but that’s very, very rare.

“You are free to live your life how you choose but you can’t decide what’s right for others.”

I’ve said nothing about right or wrong. I repeat there’s no morality or “rightfulness” involved here.

shitstains666
shitstains666
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

Morals are definitely involved because you know what happens when two people mate… they have children! You see it isn’t all about our selfish, sexual desires. You want to talk about biology… we are actually programmed to take care of children, yet they suffer when brought up in a non-monogamous environment. (Unless it is done in a controlled manner and is kept hidden from the child). But naturally, no child wants to see their parents split up or screwing around with other people. This is why people stay together, and remain faithful, because they value their children, and their spouse. For some, keeping the family together is more important than sexual impulses. I’m not going to bother trying to justify how well I know my parents, since I don’t think it will have any effect. But for my own marriage, I can assure you that I don’t remain faithful due to societal pressure. I do this because I hold myself to a very high standard, as I do those around me. And it’s a non-issue when you pick a partner who you’re compatible with… sex drive has nothing to do with it, and you can still have a very good sex life in your older years, though it takes a lot of work to get to that point (something most people couldn’t be bothered with). But I agree with you about western culture and it’s impact on women. I actually believe that feminism is primarily responsible for the division we see between men and women.

CSR
CSR
3 years ago
Reply to  shitstains666

“You see it isn’t all about our selfish, sexual desires.”

They are not selfish, they just “are” and these urges are inevitable. You can correctly manage them but trying to suppress them is impossible. If we knew the real statistics we wouldn’t believe the huge amount of de facto non monogamous couples out there, either by cheating (lying) or by an open agreement, regardless of what they say to others.

Men have evolved to be loyal to the mother of their children (loyal, not sexually faithful). Women are evolved to jump off the wagon to the next better available man (hypergamy). You can not avoid that and you can not expect a woman to be loyal the same way you are, that’s delusional and you don’t have the gigantic societal programming that was up un running a generation and a half ago. Not in the west.

“(Unless it is done in a controlled manner and is kept hidden from the child)”

Well said. See?

“This is why people stay together, and remain faithful, because they value their children, and their spouse.”

Again: family is different than sexual monogamy.

“And it’s a non-issue when you pick a partner who you’re compatible with… sex drive has nothing to do with it”

Please, are you serious?

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

people like 666 are too invested in their “religion” to see the truth. they’re no different than the religious who believe in a particular god and worship him

Zóbány Állam (jobbel göjény)
Zóbány Állam (jobbel göjény)
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

There are estimates that a good third of all people have different fathers than they believe to be theirs.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

“Long term monogamy does not work for women and much less for men and it has never did despite the idea you guys have of the supposedly perfect 1950’s American family.”

Considering that Western Civilization was built in large part on monogamous marriages AND that hundreds of thousands of couples have been faithful in their union for decades–until death due us part, your assertion is horrifically false.

Rmax GenActive Pua Mgtow
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

Wrong, western civilisation for over 10,000 years was built on polygamy & paganism, while monogamy less then 800 years. Christianity even less.

You christian illiterates need to stop lying about history, & stop pushing your deranged monogamy on society.

Forcing people to have sex with one person for over 40 years, has never worked, not even in the 1950’s.

Nothing more then typical christian lunacy …

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago

“Wrong, western civilisation for over 10,000 years was built on polygamy & paganism, while monogamy less then 800 years. Christianity even less.”

Patently false. The uniqueness of Western Civilization is that its culture and traditions are separate from the backwards civilizations (spelled correctly here) found in Asia and Africa. Heterosexual, monogamous marriage is a defining feature of the West, its special status guaranteed because of its critical importance in creating and nurturing (white) children.

Have you sired at least five white offspring, or you a biological degenerate who is a vampire feeding off what real white men have built?

“You christian illiterates need to stop lying about history, & stop pushing your deranged monogamy on society.”

We live in a society where citizens create norms and rules. Feel free to break them at your peril.

“Forcing people to have sex with one person for over 40 years, has never worked, not even in the 1950’s.”

When you use the term “never”, all it takes is a simple fact to destroy your assertion. Millions of couples have willingly chosen to remain monogamous over the centuries. Your position has been effectively neutered.

“Nothing more then typical christian lunacy”

Your line of thinking is irrational. Clearly, you hate the world and yourself. Feel free to live your life in the dark. Leave the world building to us white men.

Rmax GenActive Pua Mgtow
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

In short you cant dispute the facts, keep trying cucked tard

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago

I employed dialectic. You need to respond in kind rather than resort to your default button of idiocy. Repeating “cucked tard” only demonstrates your lack of ability to muster up a cogent response. It is other than masculine.

MCGOO
MCGOO
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic

I’ll tweak your words just a tad by pointing out that things aren’t normal in the white western world right now. We’re in a demographic nosedive and intact families will be in survival mode soon.

Specifically red pill white men should seek two white women to breed by whether or not they are registered by the state. The state can fold but the blooldine never dies. I’m not talking polygamy which is vaguely defined as more than one spouse, but specifically polygyny (one man – two wives).

‘Three is a magic number’. A polygynous union is the strongest structure next to the synthetic diamond and is the hedge the white man needs to throw off the anti family forces. No nanny state proselytizer can get their foot in your door when the sisterwives always watch each other’s back. Small tight clan sisterwives rarely defect and abandon the nest. All matters are settled at the table and the man never has to worry about leaving the lone monogamous woman at home for 8 hours with a screaming newborn only to return home and find a note that reads “gone to my mother’s to get some space”. The flaking is reduced 90% when two gyno rhinos are pulling the reigns on the home front. ALSO two breeders is better than one and damn if the white race doesn’t need to step things up.

THE ARGUMENT that you’re stealing wives from other men is a moot point since the hapless sub betas and omegas are perfectly satisfied with robots, prostitutes and some schlub betas even wife up prostitutes and then divorce them, thus rotating the dumb whores around like a library book.

BUT THE VIRTUOUS and righteous whites demand better. TWO PURE VIRGINS tamed and domesticated is the answer. So REV UP that baby machine girls. “boom bam one two boom chicka bam one two” repeat.

http://I.3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5992796.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/collier.jpg

Survival mode. And during stable times, raising a family with two domesticated wies is 200% easier for all three since down time for the man is eliminated. ‘Down time’ is where the man has to leave work when the water breaks or he has to lose sleep and race on bald tires and 1000 mile sludge oil at 1:00am to fetch diapers. With two wives, the roof is always fixed and even the 67 Chevelle sparkles in the garage alongside the tractor. Whereas the ruffled and harred monogamous man sweats as he fumbles the kitchen drawer for a butter knife to fix the vacuum cleaner as the monogamous wife screams and threatens to drown their lone white toddler in the tub because he knocked the box of tampons into the water. Does a man even need to be there? A sister wife would handle it all and make lovely chicken salad out of that kind of situation. DOUBLE IT UP white man!!

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
3 years ago
Reply to  MCGOO

It is evident that MCGOO, Rmax, and CSR are the same poster.

“I’ll tweak your words just a tad by pointing out that things aren’t normal in the white western world right now.”

It’s not about the “white western world”, it’s about humanity and how it is charting its course in light of political and social upheaval.

“We’re in a demographic nosedive and intact families will be in survival mode soon.”

White men and women, despite your protestations, are marrying and having children. They are other in “survival mode”. Perhaps not in the prescribed numbers you personally find satisfying, but nonetheless this phenomenon is observable.

“Specifically red pill white men should seek two white women to breed by whether or not they are registered by the state. The state can fold but the blooldine never dies. I’m not talking polygamy which is vaguely defined as more than one spouse, but specifically polygyny (one man – two wives).”

You assume that all white men must act and think in a prescribed manner. Instead, we have always taken our own path, mindful of the social norms we created.

‘A patriarchal polygynous union is the strongest structure next to the synthetic diamond and is the hedge the white man needs to throw off the anti family forces.”

In reality, such relationships lead to sexually transmitted diseases, infertility, and mental health complications. Moreover, this arrangement tends to be characterized by frequent jealousy and internal competition. If you want to live this lifestyle, go right ahead. But your insistence that the society you live in ought to adhere to this

“ALSO two breeders is better than one and damn if the white race doesn’t need to step things up.”

Assuming that the end all and be all of the white race is to make babies and look out for their “own kind”. Most white men and women do not subscribe to your point of view. Again, feel free to live in this manner you personally feel comfortable with.

“THE ARGUMENT that you’re stealing wives from other men is a moot point since the hapless sub betas and omegas are perfectly satisfied with robots, prostitutes and some schlub betas even wife up prostitutes and then divorce them, thus rotating the dumb whores around like a library book.”

You are resorting to mischaracterizing men to suit your own narrative.

“BUT THE VIRTUOUS and righteous whites demand better. TWO PURE VIRGINS tamed and domesticated is the answer. So REV UP that baby machine girls. “boom bam one two boom chicka bam one two” repeat.”

No, YOU believe that whites deserve better. YOU believe it is the answer. But in the end we will make our decisions in the best interests for our society. If you seek to extricate yourself, be our guests.

Clark Kent
Clark Kent
3 years ago
Reply to  MCGOO

I like your out of the box hardcore approach

Rob Banks
Rob Banks
3 years ago
Reply to  CSR

Ok, so just give up, and accept that you will be an evolutionary dead-end and die alone. No skin off my back.

The guys in here pretending that they don’t need a woman are the deluded
ones. It’s kind of a “sour grapes” situation. Since you have not found a good woman worthy of marriage, you are now saying “I never wanted to get married anyway. I don’t want children.”

Vegard Johansen
Vegard Johansen
3 years ago

`I don’t pay prostitutes for sex, I pay them to leave`

Wise words.
(Not that I tend to see prostitutes)

Tim
Tim
3 years ago

This is very true. I am also trying to figure out ways of protecting my assets and investment property if i get a wife one day. In australia a man can work his whole life and if his girlfriend lives with him for only one year she will get half of what he owns if she takes him to court. If it took you thirty years to accumulate $10 million. She gets five. Million. For one year. Of doing nothing. She will get even more if there are kids involved. Absolute craziness. Wickedness even.

Robere
Robere
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

It is pure evil. The evil of feminism and leftism. It is a creed of death and destruction.

GRock
GRock
3 years ago
Reply to  Robere

Imagine the progress that could be made if all the filched assets from men, by women, were added up and put into business ventures to further humanity ! I wonder how many trillion that equates to..

MCGOO
MCGOO
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Frivorce was all a shit test to see if the citizens wouldn’t raise above the level of cuckery to lop the heads off the enablers, promoters and enforcers of nannystatism/feminism. If the shit test was failed, then the next phase is drowning the culture in non western boat people. Get ready with a life raft whether you’re single or not.

Pedro f
Pedro f
3 years ago

Great article! Thanks

Mary
Mary
3 years ago

Roosh V, I think you have mommy issues. Haha. What a sorry ass loser. If you’re so big, tough, and alpha…there is no reason not to score your dream wife who doesn’t exist. Where is she? You’re still a single, hairy, ugly loserrrrrrrrrr. Hahahahahaha.

CoachellaValleyFinalSolution
CoachellaValleyFinalSolution
3 years ago
Reply to  Mary

You sound extremely intelligent. Are you an author or a poet?

Rachel Carroll
Rachel Carroll
3 years ago

Out of curiosity, what interests would you deem suitable for a young single woman? Yoga? Baking? Photography? Rock climbing?

CoachellaValleyFinalSolution
CoachellaValleyFinalSolution
3 years ago
Reply to  Rachel Carroll

Baking’s a step in the right direction

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
3 years ago

Yoga could be good, too – if they focus on the stretching and flexibility part and leave out all the mumbo-jumbo and virtue signalling. Probably impossible.

lindseywagners
lindseywagners
3 years ago
Reply to  Rachel Carroll

The bottom line is all anyone does is on this planet is try to delude itself into the idea that it’s accomplishing something, when in reality no one has ever accomplished anything, men and women alike. We’re all the fools of DNA’s replication game.

MCGOO
MCGOO
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

How myopic. It’s not your fault you frame the game like that. The MANFRAME sees beyond. You lack the BEARD, the BRAINS and the BEEFSTICK, that’s all. Sit on man’s shoulder my little furby and you can see civilization is the grasp of our species.

http://pre13.deviantart.net/8252/th/pre/i/2009/153/3/3/babylon_by_jubran.jpg

Sit and hold my beard while I adjust my balls. I did say civilization.

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/space-city-05.jpg

Civilization here we go. If you can interface with the MANBRAIN then get ready and hold on to my BEEFSTIIICK – –

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/692/626/large/felix-ortiz-space-city-2.jpg?1476481883

MCGOO
MCGOO
3 years ago
Reply to  MCGOO

Wait. I thought you were that other chick. Sorry dude. No skin. . .

MCGOO
MCGOO
3 years ago
Reply to  lindseywagners

I thought you were a chick. My bad.

Rmax GenActive Pua Mgtow
Reply to  Rachel Carroll

The best hobby for a single woman, virginity & keeping your legs shut