Roosh, I agree with everything you said except for the points made about mask-wearing and coronavirus. It is possible that wearing a mask and getting immunized are, as Pope Francis described them, acts of love. It is possible that the people who are under a spell cast by satan on that particular isssue are those who condemn those who wear masks and get immunized.

What is hard to argue against is that the level of hate and polarization in the United States right now is anything less than straight-up demonic. It’s as if the entire nation, both the right and the left, are mesmerized by a siren song sung by satan’s minions to hate each other - to incessantly claw at each other, snipe at each other, to attempt to destroy each other - forgetting charity and Jesus’ command to love one another.

Instead we believe lies. We absolve ourselves of our obligation under the new covenant to love without counting the cost, to forgive seventy times seven times, and to turn the other cheek. No, instead, satan has convinced us that the other side has gone too far for those maxims surrounding the law of love to apply to us in our particular circumstance in this, the twenty-first century in America. Our itching ears listen to false teachers who encourage us to believe the lies, who encourage us to hate our brothers and sisters. I have been as guilty of this as the next person. I repent. May God have mercy on our souls.

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What is hard to argue against is that the level of hate and polarization in the United States right now is anything less than straight-up demonic. It’s as if the entire nation, both the right and the left, are mesmerized by a siren song sung by satan’s minions to hate each other - to incessantly claw at each other, snipe at each other, to attempt to destroy each other - forgetting charity and Jesus’ command to love one another.

Disagreement with others and rebuking them isn't always necessarily an expression of hate or lack of love. I see this "hate argument" often in people who are so immersed in leftists/liberals/progressives propaganda (and these are the ideology that's truly demonic).

Instead we believe lies. We absolve ourselves of our obligation under the new covenant to love without counting the cost, to forgive seventy times seven times, and to turn the other cheek. No, instead, satan has convinced us that the other side has gone too far for those maxims surrounding the law of love to apply to us in our particular circumstance in this, the twenty-first century in America. Our itching ears listen to false teachers who encourage us to believe the lies, who encourage us to hate our brothers and sisters. I have been as guilty of this as the next person. I repent. May God have mercy on our souls.

Leftists INDEED has gone too far. In fact, leftism is already a false doctrine in the first place. And satan wants to convince you that it's not.

I pray that you will be freed from satan's spell, brother.

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Roosh, I agree with everything you said except for the points made about mask-wearing and coronavirus. It is possible that wearing a mask and getting immunized are, as Pope Francis described them, acts of love. It is possible that the people who are under a spell cast by satan on that particular isssue are those who condemn those who wear masks and get immunized.

Fruits, fruits, fruits. You shall know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:16; Luke 6:44). The pro-maskers/jabbees (the receiver of jabs, like how "jabber" is a giver of jabs) are the ones getting worked up into a tizzy over people not masking up and taking the killjab. The refuseniks are, if anything, on average vastly more mellow in their treatment of the jabbees. We are not the ones pushing for banning them from businesses and public places. We are not the one unfriending and otherwise cutting off the other side. We are not the ones having aneurysms over people daring to disagree with us (these aneurysms probably also contribute to the deaths by myocarditis). We quite literally...... just don't care to the extent of losing our sleep over "those people". They are the ones that are proving that we're living rent-free in their heads.

Obsessing, especially about the ways others have wronged you, is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit. It is also not even known as a common fruit of pagan spirits either. Even unbelievers (used to, before the year 2020) consider it "unhealthy" to harbor vengeful obsessions like the masked jabbees do. There is something else at work here that is turning people into especially hateful, petty, bull-headed harpies.

Instead we believe lies. We absolve ourselves of our obligation under the new covenant to love without counting the cost, to forgive seventy times seven times, and to turn the other cheek. No, instead, satan has convinced us that the other side has gone too far for those maxims surrounding the law of love to apply to us in our particular circumstance in this, the twenty-first century in America. Our itching ears listen to false teachers who encourage us to believe the lies, who encourage us to hate our brothers and sisters. I have been as guilty of this as the next person. I repent. May God have mercy on our souls.

Oh do be gone with you and your professions of false modesty. I've heard this spiel before. It's how they turned white Christians into evangelists for the leftist religion of "checking your privilege" and white genocide and anti-Christism in the name of "antiracism". It's not going to work here. You don't get to impute your guilt onto the collective here in an apparent display of being "moderate" and a "peacemaker". That Hegelian Dialect stuff can stay the heck out of here.

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Roosh, I agree with everything you said except for the points made about mask-wearing and coronavirus. It is possible that wearing a mask and getting immunized are, as Pope Francis described them, acts of love. It is possible that the people who are under a spell cast by satan on that particular isssue are those who condemn those who wear masks and get immunized.

What is hard to argue against is that the level of hate and polarization in the United States right now is anything less than straight-up demonic. It’s as if the entire nation, both the right and the left, are mesmerized by a siren song sung by satan’s minions to hate each other - to incessantly claw at each other, snipe at each other, to attempt to destroy each other - forgetting charity and Jesus’ command to love one another.

Instead we believe lies. We absolve ourselves of our obligation under the new covenant to love without counting the cost, to forgive seventy times seven times, and to turn the other cheek. No, instead, satan has convinced us that the other side has gone too far for those maxims surrounding the law of love to apply to us in our particular circumstance in this, the twenty-first century in America. Our itching ears listen to false teachers who encourage us to believe the lies, who encourage us to hate our brothers and sisters. I have been as guilty of this as the next person. I repent. May God have mercy on our souls.

You are naive and foolish if you continue to believe the NWO narrative on the coronavirus hoax. It is not an act of love to poison yourself and children with a chemical injection that is itself unethical, and which is proven NOT to immunize you against anything. By the very definition, it is not a "vaccine" but at best a preventive therapy(of which it performs extremely poorly). Common sense easily also refutes the abject nonsense of masking as well. Any reasonable person can deduce that a mask with large visible gaps/holes does nothing to contain a microscopic virus, and more than enough repeatable experiments have been conducted substantially proving that fact.

Choosing to go along with these lies, and knowing the global political and human rights related atrocities that are being justified by these lies is not an act of love or Christian in nature, it is moral cowardice and denial of reality for the sake of comfort and cheap and hollow niceness, and the consequences for doing so are being shown every day by the relentless destruction of our civilization by the tyrannical psychopaths who are using this hoax to justify their evil designs.

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Roosh, I agree with everything you said except for the points made about mask-wearing and coronavirus. It is possible that wearing a mask and getting immunized are, as Pope Francis described them, acts of love. It is possible that the people who are under a spell cast by satan on that particular isssue are those who condemn those who wear masks and get immunized.

The Pope himself might be under a spell.

Your point I think has some validity, not on the topic of the masks or vaccinations as an act of Charity, I think the opposite. However in how we oppose these measures, we can become too worldly. Sometimes myself I have found my anti NWO takeover mentality to eclipse my Faith even though it is in some regards tied to it, which would indeed be a spell. It is such a charged topic, with many worldly elements outside of the purely Christian opposition we should have. Myself, sometimes I can become more charged about it then our Faith, or lose my cool over it, and Charity which isn't the proper path. It can be a fine line.

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The Pope himself might be under a spell.

Your point I think has some validity, not on the topic of the masks or vaccinations as an act of Charity, I think the opposite. However in how we oppose these measures, we can become too worldly. Sometimes myself I have found my anti NWO takeover mentality to eclipse my Faith even though it is in some regards tied to it, which would indeed be a spell. It is such a charged topic, with many worldly elements outside of the purely Christian opposition we should have. Myself, sometimes I can become more charged about it then our Faith, or lose my cool over it, and Charity which isn't the proper path. It can be a fine line.

This is a fair point. Is our anti-Covidism outlook due to a conviction for the things of Heaven, or the things of this world? Do we want things to ‘go back to normal’ just so that we can keep our jobs and keep consuming like drones, or are we legitimately concerned for our neighbour and worried that Covidism is becoming a new heresy?

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This is a fair point. Is our anti-Covidism outlook due to a conviction for the things of Heaven, or the things of this world? Do we want things to ‘go back to normal’ just so that we can keep our jobs and keep consuming like drones, or are we legitimately concerned for our neighbour and worried that Covidism is becoming a new heresy?

For me, it's more a mix of both. As an aspiring video game developer, I want to live in a culture where I can be free to create interesting and technically complex things. I grew up modding video games and creating content for players, so it's also a bit of nostalgia. I can already tell that our culture is facing many chilling effects on our ability to freely express ourselves and to create and build, and Covidism is a much stronger red flag in that direction.

But it's also undeniable that there is a current of faith behind my conviction that has slowly and gradually taken over as my primary motivation; that old secular desire to be a game developer is not as strong as it used to be, and my conviction is increasingly turning toward simply caring less and less about material things. Sure, they're nice things to have, but I've reached a point of calmness about the idea of losing it all. I'm not that worried about losing my belongings and my money. I see it as a potential opportunity to really walk with God, without the distraction of all the material things. I fully believe that God will take care of us, somehow. Just like the sparrow and how it always somehow manages to find food. We'll manage with God and even, like Job, come out of this whole thing stronger than before.

Covidism reeks too much of the Mark of the Beast, and we all know that's an instant one-way ticket to hell.

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The Pope himself might be under a spell.

Your point I think has some validity, not on the topic of the masks or vaccinations as an act of Charity, I think the opposite. However in how we oppose these measures, we can become too worldly. Sometimes myself I have found my anti NWO takeover mentality to eclipse my Faith even though it is in some regards tied to it, which would indeed be a spell. It is such a charged topic, with many worldly elements outside of the purely Christian opposition we should have. Myself, sometimes I can become more charged about it then our Faith, or lose my cool over it, and Charity which isn't the proper path. It can be a fine line.

Thanks for the reply.

As a point of clarification, I said in my post that it is possible, which it is, that wearing masks and getting immunized could be acts of love. Masks and immunization are not matters of doctrine. The triune character of God, the divinity of Christ, the virgin birth, the existence of Hell: these are all matters of doctrine. Masks and immunizations are not.

The Church has not ruled, as a matter of doctrine, on masks and immunizations. The chief shepherd of the Church, the Pope, has spoken on the topic. He has called vaccination an act of love. But this was not a doctrinal statement in any way. I lend it great credence. But could the Pope be wrong? Of course. Could I, in my personal view of the issue, be wrong? Of course. Could you, in your personal view of the issue be wrong? Of course.

None of us are God. None of us have the infinite awareness and perfect judgment that God has. Masks and vaccinations are not mentioned once in the Bible. The Church has not spoken definitively on them.

But the Bible and the Church have spoken definitively over the course of millennia on the necessity of love, forgiveness, mercy, gentleness, humility, and so on. We don’t need to agree with those who we don’t see eye to eye with. But we cannot hate them. The Bible seems to say we are in danger even if we hold on to our anger toward our brothers and sisters (Matthew 5:21-30): “You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, ‘You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna. Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Settle with your opponent quickly while on the way to court with him. Otherwise your opponent will hand you over to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison.”

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Is it an act of love to encourage someone to get the Mark of the Beast so that they would not face ostracism? This is a question that should be pondered. There will be people who are called Christians who nonetheless take the Mark. They will encourage others to take the Mark. They will call it an act of love. They will call refusers paranoid and conspiracy theorists.

And of course, there will be scolders who will accuse the refusers of being hateful, bigoted, stupid, and even evil. After all, Globohomo purports to be a religion of peace, and if you don't bow down to its idol, the Beast that comes out of the sea of many peoples - let him who has ears hear - you can be construed as being an enemy of the peace which this religion of peace claims it upholds.

I would answer the first question of this post by saying that yes, it can theoretically be an act of love, but this must make us realize that not everything that is an act of love is good. The more significant metric is whether it is good, not whether it is an act of love or affection. It is, for example, possible for murder to be an act of love, which is to say, motivated by love. However, it is clear that we regard murder as evil regardless of what motivates it. Therefore, love alone is unsuitable as a basis for a moral evaluation of whether something ought or ought not be done.

After all, "the heart is deceitful above all things." (Jeremiah 17:9)

The Church has not ruled, as a matter of doctrine, on masks and immunizations.

The Mark of the Beast is unlikely to be something that the Church will actively and directly have a doctrinal ruling on. They're not going to spell it out in flashing neon letters: "MARK OF THE BEAST" and have its salesmen dress up like horned red-skinned humanoids with shoes shaped like hooves carrying around pitchforks. There's a reason Revelation tells us to calculate the number of the beast. This implies that it will come in a form which can be hand-waved away by unscrupulous agents as something like "just silly gematria". We're expected to do our spiritual homework.

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Roosh, I agree with everything you said except for the points made about mask-wearing and coronavirus. It is possible that wearing a mask and getting immunized are, as Pope Francis described them, acts of love. It is possible that the people who are under a spell cast by satan on that particular isssue are those who condemn those who wear masks and get immunized.

What is hard to argue against is that the level of hate and polarization in the United States right now is anything less than straight-up demonic. It’s as if the entire nation, both the right and the left, are mesmerized by a siren song sung by satan’s minions to hate each other - to incessantly claw at each other, snipe at each other, to attempt to destroy each other - forgetting charity and Jesus’ command to love one another.

Instead we believe lies. We absolve ourselves of our obligation under the new covenant to love without counting the cost, to forgive seventy times seven times, and to turn the other cheek. No, instead, satan has convinced us that the other side has gone too far for those maxims surrounding the law of love to apply to us in our particular circumstance in this, the twenty-first century in America. Our itching ears listen to false teachers who encourage us to believe the lies, who encourage us to hate our brothers and sisters. I have been as guilty of this as the next person. I repent. May God have mercy on our souls.

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Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò was interviewed by Robert Moynihan in October and disputes the stance of Pope Francis. He mentions the moral implications related to inoculation with an experimental gene serum with the presence of genetic material derived from aborted fetuses.

I would urge you all to watch the interview and would care for any thoughts that arise. It is en excoriating indictment.

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Thanks for the reply.

As a point of clarification, I said in my post that it is possible, which it is, that wearing masks and getting immunized could be acts of love. Masks and immunization are not matters of doctrine. The triune character of God, the divinity of Christ, the virgin birth, the existence of Hell: these are all matters of doctrine. Masks and immunizations are not.

The Church has not ruled, as a matter of doctrine, on masks and immunizations. The chief shepherd of the Church, the Pope, has spoken on the topic. He has called vaccination an act of love. But this was not a doctrinal statement in any way. I lend it great credence. But could the Pope be wrong? Of course. Could I, in my personal view of the issue, be wrong? Of course. Could you, in your personal view of the issue be wrong? Of course.

None of us are God. None of us have the infinite awareness and perfect judgment that God has. Masks and vaccinations are not mentioned once in the Bible. The Church has not spoken definitively on them.

But the Bible and the Church have spoken definitively over the course of millennia on the necessity of love, forgiveness, mercy, gentleness, humility, and so on. We don’t need to agree with those who we don’t see eye to eye with. But we cannot hate them. The Bible seems to say we are in danger even if we hold on to our anger toward our brothers and sisters (Matthew 5:21-30): “You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, ‘You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna. Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Settle with your opponent quickly while on the way to court with him. Otherwise your opponent will hand you over to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison.”

The Catholic magisterium hasn’t ruled on this issue, but that doesn’t mean that we throw caution to the wind and blindly obey ungodly secular authorities. Not everything outside of dogmatic rulings and doctrinal canons is good.

What can we say about Covid? That it is a disease which has an infection fatality rate comparable to bad flu seasons is true. That lockdowns have never historically stopped respiratory infection — nor have masks — is also true. That these vaccines are developed and tested using aborted babies is true.

So where is the love here? The burden of proof is on those claiming divine characteristics — such as the Pope — to offer fruits consistent with their claims, not on those who oppose masks and vaccines.

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Thanks for the reply.

As a point of clarification, I said in my post that it is possible, which it is, that wearing masks and getting immunized could be acts of love. Masks and immunization are not matters of doctrine. The triune character of God, the divinity of Christ, the virgin birth, the existence of Hell: these are all matters of doctrine. Masks and immunizations are not.

The Church has not ruled, as a matter of doctrine, on masks and immunizations. The chief shepherd of the Church, the Pope, has spoken on the topic. He has called vaccination an act of love. But this was not a doctrinal statement in any way. I lend it great credence. But could the Pope be wrong? Of course. Could I, in my personal view of the issue, be wrong? Of course. Could you, in your personal view of the issue be wrong? Of course.

This is an Orthdox Christian forum and the false pope does not speak for the true (aka Orthodox) Church or Orthodox Christians. If you consider him to be some kind of spiritual authority then I am not sure we can agree on much. Furthermore I question your sincerity and your subversive and frankly repulsive comments are causing me to wonder if you are an agent of the devil, willingly or unwillingly. All I can say is that I will pray for you and I would sincerely appreciate it if you would refrain from posting any further heresies on this forum. Have a nice day.

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