What Type Of Future Can Young Men Look Forward To?

On Christmas Day I spent time with four of my male cousins, ranging in age from 15 to 24. While I’m not quite their mentor, they are receptive to lessons I give them. With any man I talk to, I try to identify where he is in life and what his unique situation is to give advice that I think will help him reach his next goal. This year, however, I had trouble giving much in the way of advice or motivation.

The reason is because most roads today lead to dead ends, and I know this because I’ve pursued most of them. A man eventually gets spit out not that much farther from where he began.

  • I slept with dozens of girls around the world, but now I’m tired of it.
  • I traveled to two dozen countries, but now it’s boring because there’s nothing novel left to experience.
  • I make enough income to live a minimalist lifestyle indefinitely, but I don’t care for the comfort it gives me.
  • I’ve achieved a high level of fame and influence, with web sites that collectively served 88 million page views last year, but I’ve become accustomed to it. It’s no big deal.

Pursuing external experiences, objects, or sex with beautiful women made me joyous but only for a short period of time, and then I returned back to the same emotional level. Was it all a waste? Was it all for vanity? Whatever the answer, I surely can’t advise my young cousins to pursue hedonism, of banging hoes around the world for no other reason than to bang hoes, if it will fail to give them a lasting form of contentment. Instead, I could advise them to search for deeper meaning in life.

  • Dedicate yourself to God
  • Find a woman and have a big family with her
  • Give back to your community and make people’s lives better

These are better options, perhaps, but the times we live in will make them difficult to pursue. A God-fearing man would have to build high walls against the never-ending barrage of degenerate messages and sinful temptation that surround him. Raising a big family would provide a man with meaning as long as his wife didn’t take advantage of laws that encourage her to destroy the family and make the man financially destitute, and as long as the state doesn’t interfere in the raising of his children. Giving to others brings joy, as I can personally vouch for, but who exactly do you give to when your neighbor is from Somalia or Guatemala, and who may not even speak English, or when you’re actively being displaced and marginalized by your own government?

With concerted efforts to destroy God, family, tribe, and nation, my cousins will find it a great challenge to encounter a meaningful path, especially since they were programmed from a young age to be weak, victimized, feminine, dependent, collectivist, and fearful. I have no doubt that they can transcend that programming, but I’m sure you agree with me that the path to self-awareness and independence has become difficult and dark in a way that it wasn’t for men of the past. My cousins will be isolated and attacked along their path. They’ll receive no mainstream support. Is this the road I want to send them down, a life of truth but filled with constant battle and vigilance?

In the modern age, a life of meaning for men is impossible to achieve without also having to perpetually fight. It will take the mentality of a warrior to defeat the forces that want to hold us back today, and I wouldn’t put any man in this fight unless it’s a fight that he wants. So this Christmas, I didn’t give much guidance to my cousins. I gave practical advice, but nothing substantial or revolutionary, because I know that unless a man believes deep in his soul that hope and meaning is out there, that a good future can be made for him, there is little that can be done. I’ll keep an eye on them and see how they develop, but wait for them to come to me with a decision that they much rather take the far more difficult path.

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“Find a woman and have a big family with her”? When I suggested this on a post on your forum I got banned for “troll”, yet you can advice this to your male cousins?

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I don’t know what really happened. But there is a chance that Roosh has seen the light and better understands your point of view. Or you came off like a big asshole last time. Like I said I don’t know

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I like your observation. Roosh is evolving as we all are here.

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We all grow. It’s a good thing

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Bullshit you grow if you listen to Jewowwend lyers like Rapugeeroosh

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What the fuck you support a fucking Sandnigger Rapugee invader claiming to be pro white?????

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Perhaps. But Roosh and others in the so-called man-o-sphere are really just part of what I more accurately refer to as the boy-o-sphere. You young guns are discovering what we old farts, and old farts before us have known for a loooong time….

The meaning of life is…. there is no meaning. Our existence is a function of biology, and as such we are destined to the end of all things biological — death.

Everything is meaningless, a chasing after the wind. Solomon.

Go read Ecclesiastes 9-12. It pretty much sums up life.

Of course, its conclusion is the Fear God and Keep his commandments, and that you can do no better. My contention is, having given my life in devoted service to god on the mission field — yup, been there done that — that Christianity and religion is also a meaningless chasing after the wind, and a mere anesthetic used to take the sting out of the realities of life. I find scotch is more effective at doing the same. God exists? Christ? Mohammed? Moses? et al? The evidence says NOT.

Life is consciousness. How we determine to experience our own consciousness and alter it is what matters. Some pursue sex, some fame, some fortune, some drugs and alcohol, some religion. The result is the same. We are trying to alter our consciousness and that of others while still constrained by the physical rules of the universe and our own biology. This is the best meaning to life I can find in my old age. Acceptance of this truth is the price of admission to the man-o-sphere.

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Believing in “God” requires faith not evidence. I tried giving Existentialism a try and found it depressing. If there is no meaning then there is no will to exist. How are you preparing for death?

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Helium. Simple, cheap and painless from what I’ve researched.

When the time is right and I don’t see any other need to stick around for family, friends, and banging hot Latinas and EE goddesses I’ll make my exit. At present, I haven’t completely exhausted my appetites and ambitions. I’m still in the game as I still have cash, scotch and an occasional boner.

Believing in god takes the ability to deny reality — or as some would put it, insanity. What is faith, but an unfounded belief that is instilled in someone by others who have indoctrinated them. The mere fact that faith comes only by human indoctrination is proof that it is neither from or by an omnipotent god. It’s a creation of humans and spread by human contact, much like a communicable disease. But nice try on the “faith” angle.

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I like your responses, but I do disagree with one thing. I’m not convinced that atheism is the natural state of man. Given that there is no culture anywhere that I’m aware of at any time in history that didn’t believe in some form of a god/s. Even the most isolated and primitive people in South Pacific jungles or deep in the Amazon believe in some sort of a god. Given its ubiquity that transcends all cultures, there may be some inborn trait to believe in deities. There was book on this topic called “The God Part of the Brain.” The author postulated that belief in deities is hardwired into the human brain. He notes that in the animal world, when you see beavers all over the world building dams no matter what continent they reside in, it must be a genetic trait. He compares human religious belief to some of the seemingly inborn behavioral traits in the animal world.

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Our need to understand the world around is the hard-wired need we have. The ancients created gods and their surrounding religions to explain what we now describe with science and mathematics — much of which is very new in the timeline of human existence.

I’d go further on to say that if a population of infants could be isolated form the teaching and influence of any religion, but given the tools, knowledge and resources to understand their physical, emotional and social worlds in terms of math and science, then they would grow up without belief in a God. Of course we all contemplate the concept of the infinite at some point, and this is a concept not well handled by science and math except to turn the number 8 on its side. This leaves room for the human mind to fill the void of understanding the infinite with a “god” that both created such an mind-bending thing, and who also controls what we cannot fully comprehend. Until recently we mankind accepted an infinite universe. Theorists postulate a finite universe with both size and shape. A creator? Is it a conscious being that designed and created as a result of will and determination, or merely the genesis of a set up physcial conditions that birthed a universe?

But then, such contemplation of the infinite, the spiritual and the surreal are often a result of conscious altering substances and rituals (drugs, meditation, prayer, etc), which in and of themselves are physical experiences. Mankind is still in the relative infancy of understanding a world through science, described with mathematics, divorced from a indoctrinated belief in other reasons for the way the universe works. I don’t know the genesis of homo sapiens. But I don’t just ascribe it to a singularity known as God from which the creation was birthed to what evolve to what our collective consciousness knows as the world around us. I can’t say that anything I know of faith, god, and religion was of self realization that originated from hard-wired thinking on my part. No. Rather, it was handed to me by others around my, which was handed to them by a million generations before them. The genesis and evolution of the belief systems is known and can be demonstrated and proven through history, literature, and sacred texts. Religion, even God, has evolved to serve a need, and is not, IMHO, a function of a biology. Even today we see evidence of this as people deride the Catholic church for not “keeping up with the times.” Humans need understanding to have peace (which one could argue is a hard-wired need, hence the genesis of God and religion). So I could see your point here. But again I say an isolated, unindoctrinated population would find the same mental and spiritual peace from understanding their world through science instead, if presented to them instead of religion.

Given that most people are too lazy to be burdened with understanding math and science beyond a high school level, it is no surprise that that fading of religion and belief in an intelligent creator and omnipotent god is relatively slow to fall by the wayside. But to the contrary, given that much of man’s apostasy has occurred in a mere few centuries, the decline is as rapid as bullet shot towards earth.

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Do animals believe in the god(s) that created them? I postulate that answer is NO. Why? Animals must survive in the physical world and as such are not needing an explanation as to why they are prey for some and predator for other creatures. Even those animals that have the freedom of time to contemplate their world beyond basic survival have not produced anything resembling mankind’s religions to explain what is even more inexplicable to them. Gorillas and chimps are not producing even rudimentary evidence of faith in anything but their physical world. The do not demonstrate behaviors associated with belief in a deity such as prayer, worship, fashioning of idols, construction of altars, etc. I have more authority to state that if God exists for man, then he also exists for his animal creation, and it would be reasonable to see his non-human creation display the characteristics of giving him/her/it glory just as much humans do in their own brand of spirituality. But I can’t say I’ve ever observed an animal behavior that I’d classify as spiritually aware of its creator, much less giving praise and adoration to their maker — which according to major religions is man’s creator, giving us that in common with the animals.

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Among top scientists, atheism runs at about 50%. For evolutionary biologists, I think it is more like 75%. Still, even with the smartest and best educated people on the planet, a good chunk of them still think there is something more to the world than mere physicality.
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And regarding animals, they aren’t sapient in the same way that humans are. Plus I think Genesis mentioned something about humans having domain over the plants and animals.

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Jesus (again). Consensus isn’t science. Consensus isn’t proof. If I get 50% of any population to believe in Zeus (as it was in the past), then I guess that makes him top god, yes?

You want to go to Genesis, the inspired and inerrant word of God? It’s rife with contradictions by none other the the Almighty himself in the first few chapters. Yeah, the bible mentions a bunch of stuff. Keep in mind the early church writers had to exclude and hide the other thousands of sacred texts that contained mythologies concerning the events of Genesis and beyond silly, rivaling and sometimes surpassing the fantasies of Greek mythology.

Of course, those apologists have to play biblical twister with all matters of origins of the sacred texts and inaccuracies, discrepancies and outright bs contained in the texts of the 3 majors religions.

What’s changed is those things that were buried, hidden and interpreted for us lay people are now being uncovered and the truth disseminated to all the peoples of the earth — to those who have an ear of understanding to listen to truth and reason over myth and fable. There is an enormous stake for religion to survive as it is the cement that’s held the biggest empire together for over 2 millennia, and a religion for longer than that. The truth must be hidden to preserve the money and power these religions built and continue to protect.

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You obviously have issues. I present a completely fact based observation and you go off the rails.

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FAct? What fact? If fact is that people make up stuff to suppor their belief system, then I say you’re correct. But that’s not what I’ve said at all.

I’ve simply put forth the fact that the real issue here is that neither you, nor any follower of any religion can put forth any proof that their god excists.

Your observations are limited by your views and what you have been exposed to. All you have to do is prove God exists by showing some evidence of his/her/its existence in the here and now, since god is infinite and eternal and is omnipresent, even to this day — and not dance aroudn the issue with attacks on me saying I have issues and I’ve gone off the rails.

If the rails you refere to are, what? the bible? the Talmud, the Pentatuch, apocrypha, the Qumran — then what metaphorical rails have I gone gone off of?

you’re in a corner and you now it. It’s a corner you easily painted yourself into, but can’t escape, because you can’t offer up the one, simple thing necessary to escape your prison of belief — proof of your god, hell any god at this point, through empirical evidence that such a god exists and influences the universe in which he/she/it has created and still exists in.

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The fact is that even among the most intelligent and well educated people, many still believe what you don’t.

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Your issues being foooled by a sandniggerrapugee

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You are completely clueless. If a bunch of people – and in particular intelligent and well-educated people – have a certain opinion, does that make it true? Logically, no. However, you might want to look at their opinions as a matter of common sense.

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Bwahaha!

So now intelligence = proof. Education = proof. Keep in mind that some of the most quantified intelligent and educated people are the most deluded and sociopolitical in their pursuit of power, money, fame and control. And you apparently are victim to such measures of a man.

I’m not concerned with opinion. I’m only concerned with proof.

if you’re a Jesus following christian, than you’ve condemned yourself an unable to understand (I assume you count yourself among the intelligent and educated) as Jesus condemned such people as being incapable of understanding the simplicity of his gospel, and that he spoke in parables and other manners of speech as to hide the knowdledge of almighty God from the wise and learned.

So are you of the intelligent and educated group that Christ says can’t understand him, or of the simpletons like myself that can understand the gospels, but chose not to hold out for prima facia eviddence of both the prophet, his eyewitness apostles and the god that created them.

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So the act faith itself is an emotional response or a feeling something is there in the absence of evidence? This would explain the appeal of Christianity to women despite it’s patriarchal leanings.

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hahaha, “spoke in parables….to hide the knowledge from the wise and learned” , yeah, sure , not to delude the poor and keep them subdued in their masses

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i may be clueless in your opinion, but you are without proof. The emperor has no clothes.

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God is common sense. Well then, I guess there possible could be a god. But then common sense escapes those who refuse to prove the existence of god an instead must resort all kinds of uncommon-sense reasoning to beat someone into submission that there is a god. Hmm, sounds like what they used to do in the old days of the inquisition. It’s also what happens every minute of every day in the religion of Islam.

That’s why I must press anyone who want to keep cookies and milk out for the hopes a a Santa Clause to prove god’s existence or admit that there is not god. Humans have had many millenia of interaction with any extant god to have some evidence of his existence. And yet after all this time no evidence is offered.

The problem is that the religions of the world use the notion of an extant god to continue to harm people and kill people in the name of god — a being that no religion can prove. Yet humans are compelled to submission under threat of everything from ridicule to violent death.

I’m the solution. I’m the one asking anyone who professes any faith that originates with any god-like being to present proof of their god before telling another living soul that their god exists..

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You cannot prove there is no God. The chances of creation outweighs this gradual random process of creation as I mentioned before.

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You should not lose time answering all the provocations. You are trying to prove these people that they are wrong but i remind you that they have the “force of the universe” or whatever they want to call it, so you’re unable to change someone with such a strong force supporting them.
Idiotic sentences everywhere on here…..

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There is a certain subtlety to an ad populum argument that you just don’t get.

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Yes, all the beings are commanded to “be truitful and multiply”. No where there is it mentioned that the plan for humans is ZPG/

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Evolution is half lies, theories and half truth, they got natural selection right. Life evolving from non organic stuff over time is extremely unlikely. Complex functional proteins don’t appear out of simple gases in earth’s environment. The physical constants of the elementary forces are fine tuned for atoms and the universe to exist, any different there would be a big blob of mass or undense universe not supporting planets and stars. The ratio of antimatter and matter and distribution of energy also show how unique is the universe. People are brainwashed to believe this evolution stuff. Radiometric dating is not even accurate over 3000-5000years, uranium and thorium dissolve in water ie when fossils get weathered. So u get just carbon dating, but it is only accurate up to thousand of years that is if the carbon 14 remains relatively contained. be Dinosaurs ain’t 65-220million years old, they found soft tissues in so called 68 million years old bones(http://www.science20.com/curiousity_killed_fruit_fly/bones_contention_dinosaur_cells_survived_millions_years_trapped_bone-95449) it can’t be possibly older than 100,000yrs if it has soft tissues and blood cells. There is an agenda to propagate this evolution stuff, to turn you away from religion and promote this feminism and consumeristic beliefs.
All ancients believed in God (s) because he existed and his messengers were there. The things the bible mentions are true, the ark, the flood, so on. You can find the truth u seek it earnestly

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I don’t envy your situation at present Guest. You are willing to stare squarely in the face of the bleak implication of a Godless universe and accept the obvious point (or pointlessness) of it.

There are some good debates on Youtube, one between Trent Horn and Dan Barker stands out, among others.

Without being rude let me just say it presents a decent contrast between the two belief systems that you might find of use.

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I believed this as I was raised as a secular atheist and never exposed to religion. Yet in my darkest time I had what a secularist would call a psychotic break and was visited by an angel who gave me some advice.

Was that advice programmed into my biology so that during a time of extreme emotional and physical hardship it would be exposed so that I would be able to continue to function? Or was it divine? I’ve been searching for this answer ever since.

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I was an atheist most of my life, but now am a Christian man. I wouldn’t have become a Christian without having real encounters with Jesus Christ. For example, I pray a prayer that I tell no one about, and a friend with a prophetic gifting calls me up the next day and brings up some of the things I’ve prayed about. He didn’t know I prayed about them. This happens to me all the time.

Jesus Christ is God and is a higher being. The way to reach Him and search Him out is purely by humility and having a love of the truth. You have to be willing to consider that you’re stupid and everything you’ve come to believe is wrong. That’s the point I came to 10 years ago. If one is egotistical and proud, something very common with Western intellectuals, they will not find Jesus.

Western intellectuals work under the assumption that all truth is discoverable and can be made known by the logical brain. But things of Jesus Christ work contrary to what your mind can understand. You cannot discover Jesus with science experiments or man made philosophies.

A good starting point is to ask Jesus via prayer to reveal Himself to you and tell you all the truth. Then you will begin the Red Pill journey for real. And it’s an extremely wild ride.

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In the bible, it says Jesus is son of God not God. It even says God is greater than him.(john 14:28? Corinthian 11:3) Why would Jesus pray to God if he is god?? The word ie Jesus was mentioned to be a god ( authority ) but not the God (ho theos), this can lead to confusion.

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yoyo time for edification

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There is more to the universe than meets the physical eye. Believing in God only requires that one is able to believe in things that one cannot see with the eye, directly, but discern by inference. Like we know that there is such a thing as air and wind because the leaves rustle. You can see the air and wind unless there is a lot of smoke and dust in it. Does the air cease to exist when it is clean and you can no longer see it? And you can’t chalk up belief in God to human indoctrination only; what about the atheistic totalitarian societies that try to condition people not to believe in God yet people still do? It has to be more complicated than mere indoctrination, and I think you want to keep things simple enough so you can hold on to your own present lack of belief that you have chosen without having to examine it more closely.

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“God” is a bit of a vague term, but I suspect Roosh meant in the Abrahamic sense.

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All believers who convert to atheism/skepticism go through that shock to their system phase and initial depression. I was also highly upset when I found out that there was no Santa Clause. But I got over it. Many atheists are happy. I admit it is a hell of paradigm shift. To go from thinking that you will live forever and be reunited with all your loved ones in eternal bliss to believing that your destiny is to be devoured by worms and your consciousness will evaporate from universe as if you never existed in the first place. I know, it sucks. I actually hope there is a god. But the fact remains, there is no evidence of that right now.

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Well put. I always forget the Santa Clause analogy. It’s very apropos.

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There is plenty of evidence that the universe is not merely a physical place. Look at the abundance of life on this planet. The odds against it happening randomly are astronomical. It’s like a tornado swept through a junk yard and left a functional jumbo jet in its wake.
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I don’t expect my consciousness to survive this life, and I have been comfortable with that for some time now. However, if you think your life is meaningless, then maybe you are right.
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Similarly, those who think they are descended from monkeys tend to prove that they are correct.

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On your last point. Nobody says humans are descended from monkeys. Rather humans and other great apes have a common ancient ancestor that split off into other hominids. None of this is disputable unless you think fossil records and DNA studies are a fraud.

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You are correct but it makes for a good turn of phrase.
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The bigger question is whether evolution is/was a “blind watch maker” or if the “meat shell” you currently inhabit was part of a process to bring about a vessel that could have consciousness.

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Whether evolution ultimately has any purpose is a mystery I cannot answer. But I think we have a pretty good understanding of how the process of evolution works from a cause and effect perspective.

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If you adhere to philosophical naturalism (ontological materialism or various other formulations of the same thing) which makes you an atheist, then there is no such thing as purpose or meaning or – I must add – morality. These are just silly things that we silly humans pull our of our arse.
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In the end, atheists make up their own fairy tales which are even more arbitrary than the various theist visions.
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You obviously have a brain in your head. You don’t strike me as a nihilist so you have a set of beliefs that guide your life. However, you need a bit of introspection. If you don’t have religion and don’t believe in a God or whatever, then where do your beliefs come from? David Hume pointed out the Is-Ought dichotomy and no one has got around it (although some Objectivists claim to have). In the end, you are just making shit up.
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That is what is so annoying about most atheists: they make shit up and somehow thing they are more logical or scientific than Christians.

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I’m agnostic. Or to be more technical an agnostic atheist. I got my values from society and my parents. Which are basically based on Western Christian values and social norms. I have no problem admitting that. If I were born in pre-Colombian Aztec society, I might think it’s morally cut people’s hearts out and offer it to the sun god if that’s all I was raised to believe.

At the end of the day morality most likely is a human construct. It doesn’t exist anywhere in nature. If man went extinct, the earth would go on and the only rules would be the state of nature. Morality exists because human minds exist. Without them, the very question would be irreverent.

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It is one of the great philosophical questions but I think that you put yourself on a slippery slope once you consider morality to be a human creation rather than a universal fixture that is ingrained in our reality.
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You are correct that morality only has meaning in the context of humans interacting with each other.

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It must be resorting to believe that there is no accounting for ones actions though ?

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“How are you preparing for death?”

By paying attention to what women do and not what they say.

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Belief in God requires both faith and evidence for many. Blind faith is a fickle thing and I can imagine exhausts itself eventually without the burnish of grace and historical knowledge (Christianity is very much bolstered by the latter).

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“How are you preparing for death?”
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A wife, two children and a homestead. Maybe a book, a song or a movie to be remembered by. As an agnostic I share a similar belief to atheists that it will just all fade to black when the time comes. However, I don’t think it is all meaningless. I will not just be worm’s meat.

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You’ve hit the nail on the head.

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I’m sad that you have no will to exist once your imaginary friend is disproven.

Like there isn’t a million other things to live for, many of them not even material?

p.s. living like a good person for a divine reward later kinda makes you the opposite of a good person

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My “imaginary friend” is something that I don’t fully understand, it’s nature, it’s energy, it’s love, it’s something inside every living organism. Don’t be sad, I have plenty of things to live for and I never expect a reward later.

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Existentialism doesn’t mean there is no meaning, it means you find meaning in your own way rather than letting an organized religion (priests, ministers) tell you what it is.

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What about chaos? Where’s the meaning in chaos?

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What do you mean the meaning in chaos? Existentialism isn’t chaotic if that’s what you’re thinking.

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You don’t prepare for death. You just enjoy life until you no longer can.

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Hopefully you will enjoy life until you die. But if you stop enjoying life sooner than your last breath, do you have the right to end it?

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Yes.

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Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. God wants you to believe what He says because it makes sense to believe what God says, not because it makes no sense. What God says either makes sense to you or it does not.

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A lot of “what God says” makes no sense to me.

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you are right, but mis-guided……faith is all you need, and the evidence is all around, and in you……you don’t “prepare” for death, you just accept it, and your faith will get you where you want to be

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Depressing? Hardly. “The struggle for the heights is enough to fill a man’s soul. We must imagine Sysyphus – happy”.

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Well said. I’m an old fart also. I find Dao and bourbon to be quite effective.

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Nihilism faggotry.

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Ah, the faggot force is strong in Marco Simm. Now suck my dick young padawan.

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Roosh is now in his mid-thirties and clued into many of the same realizations I cam upon a decade and a half ago but through a different path.
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I have never been religious but atheism is the most toxic form of self-aggrandization yet devised. It is largely a leftist phenomenon but given that some libertarians and Randians fall for it shows that it is meaningless.

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“Fall for it?”

This is part of insane notion that there MUST be a God, but don’t have to prove such. And God, if he/she/it exists doesn’t make the case for his/her/its existence by being so hidden and mysterious especially since man’s mortal soul hangs in the balance. What’s the point of creating mankind in his image and then abandoning him to every religious movement, mythology, practice, and parade of prophets to compel his creation to faith and obedience.

I say it’s the height of vanity to put one’s belief system above the level of evidence we require to convict a criminal or state a law of nature, which is what you’re do with your DYMO label maker here. Atheist is anyone who asks for proof before accepting a blind notion of an all mighty sky deity? I suppose you’d reject the panoply of Greeco Roman gods as pure fantasy, but provide no more proof of a Christian Jehova, Yaweh, Allah, etc, not to mention all those who are held up as the one true prophet of said God.

Atheism is the initial condition of man. It’s what we are all born with. How can you call it self-aggrandization as it’s the natural state of infants and children that even Jesus would hold up as examples of pure minds and hearts, as he did to his disciples in the gospels.

I reject your label and say, put up or shut up. I’ve spent my time in the real trenches of Christanity and have converted many to the “faith”, only to learn later what a complete fabrication most of it is. The other major religions fare no better, and in some cases worse.

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I don’t claim that there is a God nor do I speculate on the specific nature of God but, as a matter of logic the odds are in favour of there being something rather than nothing; it’s about 2-to-1 against atheism being correct.
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The atheist mind set is something like this: lobsters do not exist because I sit at my dinner table and I have never had one come through my door and throw itself on my plate.

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You contradict yourself. Logic demands rigid proofs. You can’t run to logic and then apply something akin to Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle to the existence of a god by fuzzy probabilities based in, uh, what again?

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It’s actually quite simple. If you say that God does not exist, well which God? No one can offer compelling proof that any particular version of God exists but even atheists have to concede that they cannot be 100% sure that God does not exist. So there is always and infinitely small possibility that some conception of God is in fact true. The thing is, you could go through an unending list of possible conceptions of God, none of which are likely themselves to be true but none of which can be disproven completely. The mathematics of this reduces to 1-1/e where e is the natural logarithm. That’s about 65% that at least one conception of God is true rather than atheists being correct.
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There is no fallacy or failure of logic here, you just don’t understand the issues at hand.

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Jesus. (not the one of Christianity). You keep having to go to probability to “prove” that there is a chance of God.

Fuck it.

I AM 100% sure there is no God simply because there is zero proof that there is a God, gods, or otherwise. Which God, you ask? All of them! That is my whole point. That’s much more of a certainty than the probabilities you keep trying to run as apologetics to the possibility that there may be, however unlikely, at least one God.

I’m done with the boy-o-sphere and it’s circular reasoning.

Fine. Here’s some probability for you.

If God exists, he/she/it has had, according to anthropology, over a million years of human existence to not only present himself/herself/itself/ to mankind in very tangible ways to call us to love him/her/it, obey him/her/it, and follow whatever ways of man we should follow, whether it be war, peace, indifference, Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Communist, blah blah blah. With all the power of God to not only exist outside of our physical limitations, but to create every form of technology available throughout history, the only recordings of any god is there mere writings and descriptions by humans, I say there is zero probability of any god existing.

If I can take a page from your playbook, the PROBABILITY that no God has stepped forth to show himself/herself/itself in any meaningful way and to have his/her/its creation document the proof of the existence of the deity is so asymptotic to zero that it’s laughable that you’re even talking about natural logs in any sensible conversation of the subject, because said probability is ZERO. Simply put, it’s impossible for any deity to have created what we know and not claim credit for it, not show himself to his creation, or have any ongoing relationship with it, rather hiding behind ancient writings of false and contradictory facts and details, revealed by so-called prophets who did not exist and to this day have not meaningful involvement in the creation of their origin.

Since, at least in Christianity, man was created in God’s image, we know for a fact that such a being could not and would not sit up in the nebulous clouds of the universe completely oblivious to the goings on of his creation — the earth and its inhabitants — without so much as a trumpet blast from heaven to call men to repentance leading to obedience. Of course, there’s always the “one” prophet of any major religion who is the *last* prophet to reveal what we humans are to do with our short biological lives to ensure an infinite existence beyond the 80 or so years we may expect to have here. Even a 2 year old proudly holds up a page from a coloring book in which they scribbled nonsensically outside the lines. Now, what’s the probability of a God, in whose image mankind was created, is not only proud of his creation (a sin last time I checked), but also involved in it’s birth, growth, education, training and ongoing support — just as a father and his child, as Paul and other religious writers keep telling us.

What are the probabilities of that being the state of affairs. Zero I say. Therefore, there is no god until he/she/it proves otherwise.

You can’t use the infinitesimally small probability — which nothing more than a hopeful gambit — as a hedge that there may possibly exist something that by all other quantitative measurement and evidence has never proven itself to exist.

It’s dark matter. It’s the god particle. It’s theory until proven otherwise. The difference is the lack of proof of something which, if it does exist, must have left evidence behind if we are the result of it’s intent and will. Consensus of 100,000,000 atheists will not change the fact that no proof means no existence. If you want to bring probability into the equation, then I shall even more ammunition to prove that a god, or gods never did and do not exist, as probability does not demand proof. It only requires mental masturbation when it comes to things that have not proof.

Now stop dividing by zero. The number does not exist — kinda like god.

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If you are 100% sure of anything then you are a bigger zealot than any of the theists here.
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Not that I am a Jew or a Christian but the Talmud and Gospels make it quite clear that God did present himself to humans.
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“Proof” is just a weasel word for people to refuse to accept what should otherwise be rather obvious.

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There ya go again, dividing by zero. I’m a zealot for proof. You want to deal in fuzzy probabilistic theories of what may possibly be despite all the reality that no diety presented himself to any human being, past or present.

Oh lets see, some ancient writers who were commanded by higher ups — espeically in the case of Christianity — wrote some bullshit down and passed off as gospel. Now what we do have as real evidence is that some of those early writers, the fathers of the Christian faith at least, are literally on record stating they make shit up for the sake of preserving the faith.

Jesus didn’t exist — read the book.
Moses didn’t exist — read the book.
Mohammed didn’t exist. New evidence coming out as such.

But according to you, some alleged ancient witnesses had others write down some fantasies and morality fables and parables, and that somehow is proof that there is a god, or gods, or something out there in the ether.

Fail, again.

If there is any deity, I say it’s incumbent upon said deity to provide proof (other than made up writings by priests and scribes) that demonstrate both their existence and power and authority to which mankind is subject too. Since in the history of mankind no such evidence exists, I am more credit to state there is no god than you are to conjecture that probability suggest that there can be no zero-probability because, like the concept of infinity, the concept of zero is just too absolute for mere mortal man.

Good luck in your apologetics. You’ve proven nothing other than you have no proof. Therefore you get no credit in my book.

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Jesus did exist but religious and atheist types get him totally wrong.
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I’m not too sure about Moses but Mohammed has only be questioned recently. Generally, Mo is accepted as a historical figure who ran amok in the late 7th century.
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I don’t know what you want, my friend. Jesus is generally accepted as a historical figure as well.
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This is where the weasel word of “proof” comes in. Perhaps you don’t believe in Alexander the Great because there is not enough “proof”. There are a whole bunch of historical figures with less evidence than Jesus.

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“Generally accepted.”

Fail. There were many Yeshua’s (Jesus’) in Jerusalem in the 1st century and perhaps more than one who held himself as rabbi or righteous reformer. There were several messiahs of Israel — mostly militaristic zealots who led revolts against the Roman occupation of Judea.

So now proof is a weasel word. Jesus Christ. Prove up, man up, or shut up. I tired of this silliness.

I believe, therefore it’s true is your mantra apparently.

I don’t “believe” in Alexander the Great. His existence is proven the mountains of evidence in history, literature, and the fact that he conquered nations that documented his conquests. There is real archological evidence of both AtG and his conquests.

Give me 1/100 of that evidence for the Jesus you keep referring to. Generally accepted is not proof — it is consensus. It’s bullshit.

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You “fail” on every “fail” you post because you obviously have not done your homework.

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Prove your statement.

What homework do you refer to and what makes you so sure I haven’t done it. Simply because I refute your so called logic and offer insight into the complete lack of proof of all the things you point to doesn’t prove anything.

But if we’ve proven anything here, you’re willing to make statements without proof, which if you go back and reread my statements is all that I base my evidence of God on — lack of proof. That’s not me not doing my homework. It’s merely me pointing out the severe emptiness of your position on the matter.

I’ve done plenty of homework. And, the more I do, delving into the ancient origins of what you call proof — the sacred texts, the characters, the geography and anthropology, the more I’m convinced that all faiths are simply rehashes of prior mythologies dating back to the this beginnings of humans trying to understand things as elementary as where fire and lightning come from.

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Holy shit man, it is 4:30 am and you are trying to debunk me? Get a fucking life.

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Uh, kinda the pot calling the kettle black.

I have a life my friend, and it’s rooted in reality.

I can’t debunk you because you’ve offered up nothing to debunk.

Now, I’m going to assume you’re under the age of 40, have to go to work tomorrow and actually have a life that demands you deal with the realities of your existence in a psychical, temporal world. Your existence and life depend not on a mythical sky dwelling deity, but on your own toil and effort — unless, as I’m starting to suspect, you may still live at home with mom/dad, and your god.

I, however, have more life and experience under my belt than the rest of my time on earth will allow me to acquire. I don’t have to work and provide further for myself as I have already done so. It’s a life that allows me 24 hours a day to delve deeply into the workings of humans and their beliefs and philosophies. I continue on with you as to show that there is no end to asking for that which does not exist – proof of god — to which you wander through the forest of logic and reason, ending up at the point at which you began — without proof, and really without hope of anything other than empty belief.

In contrast to your futile attempts to thwart me, now telling me in base terms to “get a fucking life” as if you could insult me or get my ire with such juvenile tactics,I am able to help those who, like you, have no proof of a god, but unlike you wish to escape the abuse of those peoples and institutions who force the notion of god upon them in an attempt to demand tribute, worship, honor, praise, and obedience to their faith.

That’s why I’m up till — get thsi, only 330am replying to you, while still enjoying reruns of the Karate Kid and reponsding to other in all matters of human existence far and beyond religion.

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Prove there is no God. You can’t. No one, not your most brilliant scientist, to your most pious monk can prove or disprove there is or is not a God. At the end of the day we all take our faith based on what we perceive as evidence to justify our faith. An atheist’s evidence for his belief, could be my evidence for my belief and vice versa. Faith is silly they say? We all have faith in something. We all have faith whenever we put money into our banks. We have faith in doctors when we become diagnosed with something. Faith in our families and friends.
We won’t know until we go. The ultimate adventure.

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This is stupidity at its acme — the kind that enslaves the human race to chase fantasies rather than take care of the here and now.

You can’t prove non-existence. That’s my whole GD point, which seems to escape all you simpletons here as you apply non-logic to your retorts.

My point is so simple that it escapes you “great” thinkers here. You cannot, nor can you prove in the affirmative that there is a God, much less a Jesus who is originated from him as his seed. Same goes for the Moses and Mohammed.

Something as profound to the the human species as the creator and originator of the universe, and everything in it has left zero evidence of his existence, his acts, and his legacy. All you guys offer up is either writings from questionable sources, known fraudsters and liars, and reasoning so void of logic foundation that a kindergartner would call bs on you.

If you don’t know until you go then you are to be pitied above all men, and your statement proves that God can’t exist, at least for the benefit of his creation, which he allegedly loves, as such a fundamental issue of everlasting life and judgment escapes you, an apparent follower of the faith. In other words, your god has orphaned you to a point of not knowing, and hence not being secure in your own faith in your god as to know where you stand — and you won’t known until your dead and it’s too late to change your standing with your God.

Good luck with that.

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Go ahead. Prove there is no God. We’re still waiting.

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I think we’ve already covered this, you and me. But just in case you’re incapable of simple logic and understanding, you can’t prove a non-extant thing.

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Lol. Believe me I completely understand what you’re saying. But still, prove it. There is a theory that states there is something what humanity has referred to as God. Prove to us that “God” does not exist. How do you know a God does not exist? Where’s your proof? We’re still waiting.

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You’re waiting for 1/0.

There’s nothing to prove. Rather the onus for anyone stating any probability of the existence of a god or gods, or supernatural beings, whether they be ghosts, angels, nephilim, etc, must offer up proof for such statements.

It’s not up to me to offer of proof of a not extant thing. It’s sufficient to say in the lack of any proof, there is no thing. I’ll rely on a common sense understanding, in the absence of air or gas or matter, you have a vaccum. Do you prove there is a vacuum by telling someone to prove that nothing exists in the void?

God, as is referred to in the common vernacular, is a enumerated being with certain properties and qualities as defined by each major religions sacred texts, it’s teachers and prophets. If you’re going to rewind the whole idea to the world “god” that people use to describe a theory that humanity ascribes too, well that obviously exists — the theory, idea or philosophy that is — not the inerrant being to which I’ve been posting about all night at to which people refer to when they use the term.

Don’t try to rewind this entire night’s convo to now a semantics debate. that would make you a masturbatory, for which I have no interest nor further time for.

The answer in present proof of the idea, concept, philosophy or being which once identifies with the term “god.” before it’s encumbant upon anyone else to either accept such a notion or, ridiculously expect another to prove the contrary that something that does exists that have displayed and evidence or proof of ever existing.

Ideas are just that, ideas. If you’re calling god an idea or concept, than we are talking about two different things and therefore I have nothing to prove in the realm of ideas, as they belong to individuals who own the ideas.

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Do you believe in aliens? Yes or no?

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Objection. Relevancy. It’s not relevant to the question of an extant God, unless you’re going to postulate that god is an alien and that is the foundation of your proof of god.

You can’t win the no-proof scenario by changing the fundamental demand for proof. Whether I believe in aliens is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether or not aliens (assuming you’re referring to the ET variety alien) actually exists — which again must be proven with prima facia evidence — not belief of a subset of the population, not the existence of a group of alien followers, not the consensus of intelligent and educated scientists, or the mathematical probability that in the quadrillion possible hosts of alien life that certainly at least one of them contains alien life.

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Overruled. Answer the question, do you believe in aliens, yes or no?

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Define alien so I know how to answer.

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A living intellectual being not of this earth.

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Do you believe in such a being?

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You’re in the hotseat. Answer.

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No, I’m not. There is no hotseat.

The absolute truth is a that aliens either exist or they don’t. My belief in them is nothing more than your feeble attempt to avoid stating such an absolute and provide evidence of your assertion by trying to employ a flawed attack on me by constructing a false dichotomy of my belief being the either/or determining factor of extant aliens.

If your true intention was to know the existence of aliens, you would simply lead with your assertion one of the absolute binary truth — they either do or do not exist, and if you believe they exist, offer up some evidence of your belief.

However, your attempt is transparent as a Hillary Clinton coverup. It has failed to draw me out as to my belief. You are welcome to ask a more relevant question, and I may or may not answer. I’m frankly spending to much time on this entire subject and need to get back to the real world and stop all this mental masturbation — for that is all that this is at this point. And I tire of it.

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lol. God either exists or he does not. Personally, even though I believe in Christ, it’s perfectly reasonable to think there could be more life in the universe. It’s also reasonable to think that maybe the universe was solely created for us humans on earth. It’s clear you are afraid to answer my question with a simple yes or no, or maybe. So with that; I’m out. Another atheist not wanting to be exposed as a foolish hypocrite.

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LIke all other Christians, you must resort to bullying and name calling. The only hypocrisy here is that you are unwilling to answer a question that you ask of others.. LIke a Pharisee, you try to trap the Rabbi in his words.

Your greatest trouble is that follow something with no factual basis. It’s a mythology borrowed form others before it, going back to ancient Egypt and even ancient Summer. This is easily proven with actual psychical evidence. And all you have to offer in return to a statement that in the absence of proof and evidence, a thing (your god) does not exist is to fight respond like a girl, with rash emotion.

I told you you were setting a trap. And now you’re mad that I didn’t all for your amateur tactics. I’ve been defeating believers like you for a long time. I know your sacred text inside and out and can show you with your own savior’s teachings how not only is is fabricated, but there is actually proof that that all you believe in does not exist.

However, I only do this in a public forum, in front of a live audience of a min of 200 people. I don’t waste time on onsies on forums like this, although I was staying entertained tonight exposing you frauds for not being able to provide any proof of your gods and prophets. Now its devolved into something annoying.

You call my a fool, but I’m wiser than you know.

You call me a hypocrite, but I’m absolutely consistent with my views and practice what I preach. Do you?

The thngs you claim are reasonable are only reasonable to those with mental defficiencies and mental issues once someone is freed to think for themselves in the presence of the actual evidence about such things.

So, sign off if you wish. I’m sure your god and lord and savior will rewards you handsomely for calling me names here on roohv.com. I’m sure that’s what Jesus would do.

If you’re so certain of what you believe, then do what I did years ago when I still drank the Kooaid — sell your possessions and move thousands of miles away purely on faith, for the sake of the gospel and winning souls to Christ. Go with your toddler children, with no job, very little money, and nothmg more than blind faith that your sky god will provide all you need, as the provided Abraham the ram for sacrifice. I’ve done it. I’ve lived it. And I will expose the faithlessness of anyone who claims what you claim but has no foundation to back it up. However,, I will expose you in public, not in anonymity as I have done here.

Go carry out your lord’s great commission in Mt 28 to make disciples of all nations. Then get back to me and let me know how that worked out for you. I’ll share my stories with you and we’ll have a good laugh or two.

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Shit talking on the internet is too funny. Bullying and name calling? Again, hypocrisy. Have you read some of your own words? You’re the one who didn’t want to play ball. From your self projection in your response, I think I hit a nerve. You are the one definitely getting emotional. Hope you can sleep ok tonight. Good luck to you and your preaching seminars.

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You must be 17 or something. Lookup hypocricy on websters or something.

Bullying — you are bullying me into falling into your locial fallacy by saying I’m afraid of answering your question. WWJD?

Hypocricy — You follow the teachings of a prophet who says you must leave everyone, and everything or you are not worth of him (need the scripture reerence?). But, you don’t do that and haven’t ever done that. I have. You are the hypocrite, not me. You preach, but don’t practice. I practice, but don’t preach.

What’s this seminar stuff? I don’t do seminars. I don’t preach. I said I’d confront you in a public form of at least 200. You will have to answer for yourself and your faith and you7-r god.

My life is a matter of choice, hard work and acceptance of reality. I’ve live the life I designed when I was 17 and have the freedom from the insanity of religion that you still follow.

I’m logical, rational and in full command of my faculties. You jsut keep throwing words back at me because you are incapable of supporting your proposition that your god and your lord exist by providing evidence, and must resort to rhetoric and reasonable presumptions in your defense. I simply state that if you can’t prove it exists, it doesn’t. And you are the one still calling me hypocrite, which is something you’re not allowed to do (Mt. 5, Do not judge lest you be judged).

Take a long look in the mirror and watch what you post online. God is watching and taking notes.

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Yawn. Have some orange juice in the morning. It will help with that scotch hangover.

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I’m glad you’re able to throw about poppsy terms like projection and care so much for my sleep. Why? Are you really concerned, or secretly hope your almighty sky god and his son, the conflicted non-conformist Jew are going to show me the error of my ways? Perhaps you secretly hope they, like the Spanish inquisition of the past, will torture me into submission and confession?

You had your chance to convert me, All asked for was one thing — proof that god really exists. The best you could do was tell me to prove he didn’t.

So not only are you an unworthy servant (Jesus’ definition, not mine), but an incompetent one as well.

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It is obvious to all that you are all bluster, and frankly too scared to answer.

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Are you a judge now? Ah yes, you are, as are all those who try to support the notion that god exists.

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One can speculate about life on other planets by following logic that if conditions are perfect fitting the needs for life to emerge, just like on earth. Unlike god, i can’t reason from logic to understand where some god could exist in our reality . Like guest stated before, god references and evidence of it’s references only exist after we existed. You can come with bullcrap of supernatural next level shit, but face the fact that the concept of god is more delusional than believing in the possibility of replication of life elsewhere. So, at least you are crazier than us (atheists pro alien existence in the unverse or apaeitu as we like to get called).

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And by that logic, pink unicorns must exist because can’t deny their existence simply by not having any proof of such a creature, despite asking, no begging for the evidence of such from anyone who believes pink unicorns exist. Furthermore, probability (which should never be mixed with logic) weakens the case that pink unicorns must surely exist because the mathematical probabilities that the don’t exist anywhere in the universe as expansive as 1×10^100 heavenly bodies must certainly approach the limit, as in Integral Calculus, of zero doubt of the existence of such.

You reveal the fallacy of your own logic by using in your own example the existence of a creature you can prove exists. Try again with a mythical creature and see if your example still holds water.

You indict the atheist mind, yet ignore the elephant in the room that it’s trivial to persuade a rational atheist by simply presenting the evidence contrary to their non-belief rooted in lack of said evidence. As for irrational people, as in the case of the religious, there is no such option available.

Damn, where is Mr. Spock when you need him.

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What the hard core atheists are unable to get is that they are all so alike. I am able to write everything they are going to say before they say it. With my only inaccuracy being I tend to write one or two more arguments than they do.. It is as if they all read the same scriptures and have a universal dogma. Agnostics I understand, they they tend to have interesting and none repetitive things to say. True free thinkers

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theits mind set is something like this:
Lobsters do exist, because i can see it in my plate and i am about to taste it. I have seen them and i have evidence of it

oh wait…

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You are stuck in a mental-prison of your own making.
Not prepared to grapple and embark on an honest search- you invoke pre- conceived notions, assumptions, and circular arguments about the existence of God. .
You call yourself an ex Christian but have never had a supernatural conversion experience which is central to Christianity but blather on about empirical and verifiable proof which you demand others provide to you.
Sorry, you won’t arrive at the truth by refusing to personally sacrifice anything in its pursuit, be that ego, disbelief, time etc. And by Truth I’m referring to the existence of God.
Further you won’t do so because you don’t value such a search above all else. In fact said search holds no value for you at all.
A perfect conundrum then .

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Don’t confuse atheism with anti-theism. Atheism isn’t even an ideology. It’s just a lack of belief due to no evidence. I’m sure you’re atheist when it comes to Zeus and Athena. That doesn’t mean you are some self-aggrandized leftist, though perhaps the ancient Greeks might label you one for not believing in their gods.

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The biggest problem with atheism is atheists. The concept itself is completely empty but the people who adhere to it come up with all sorts of whacked out ideas.
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I’m not an atheist, and that means no gods not just some gods like Zeus. I am more agnostic in the sense that I believe there is something rather than nothing (but not necessarily a god, so I am no theist either) but I can’t speculate on the precise nature of what that something is.
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I think there is a structure and measure to the universe. Atheists tend to be self-aggrandizing because they figure they are the measure of all things right and wrong and that there is nothing greater than their own opinions.
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While you do get those who preach the social gospel and there are various Objectivists on the right wing, the vast majority of atheists are leftists and leftists are atheists (ie. Marxists).

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Best reply in here by far.

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Thank you for your comment.

Now I must return to the act and art of altering my consciousness — first with scotch and tasty tunes on Pandora, then with sleep.

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God specifically rails against religion as the institution of man that he hates the most so you should know that Christianity( a religion founded by Paul that contradicts everything God ever said) or religion in general isn’t going to get you anywhere good.

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I’m not sure I follow what you’re saying. I know god isn’t going to get me anywhere good simply because I don’t see evidence of a God in the first place. So, getting anywhere is not dependent on God or my faith in or obedience to him/her/it/whatever.

Now, being intimately knowledgeable on the Christian faith (my indoctrination of youth and pursuit of most my adult life), Paul is the founding father of the Imperial religion of ancient Rome, with Constantine as its cofounder and patron. Now, if you are saying Paul contradicts everything God ever said, I assume you’re referring to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob — the Yahweh, Jehovah, “Great I AM” that is the God of Moses and the Judaism — then I concur. However, for most of my “Christian” life, there were all sorts of theological acrobatics, interpretations and slights-of-hand to make Paul “fit” the role of apostle to the Gentiles — holding to the teachings of the apostles and prophets while scrapping every facet of Judaism, which had to be done to get converts to the new state-sponsored religion of Christianity several centuries after the alleged life of Christ and his apostles.

In that light, following any of that belief and teachings is not only going to get me nowhere, but also get no one else anywhere of value. At best, Christianity provides a soothing salve to the questions of where man came from, where we are going, what happened to loved ones who’ve died, and what meaning is there to this life. Oh wait, that’s what got all this posting on religion started. I say it’s of value to those are are unable or unwilling to deal with the real world — that life is meaningless beyond the fact that we are biological creatures that have an existence in a physical world, and not a divine creation of a divine God. At worst, Christianity, and other religions, are just another institution of man designed to capture and control the hearts, minds and souls of its followers in obedience to those who hold power and authority over belivers — power which at times is used to tax, harm, and abuse rather than lead followers to salvation and enlightment.

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You think you got this figured out but you’re not even close. In fact, being old has nothing to do with actually wrapping your head around your life, but it certainly can help at times given the proper stimulus. I’ve noticed in old age among peers serious and ultimately fatal delusion and failure of values. That’s where you are, whether you like it or not. (And let’s be honest, you don’t like it.)

What the “young gun” wrote in the article here is far closer to the truth than you’ll ever encounter. You were onto something with the biological spin but quickly derailed. I doubt you’ll ever find a meaningful direction again and you should cease to try. The “young guns” like Roosh have more energy and information than you could even comprehend at your “old fart” stage. Acting like your avoidance of death thus far has placed you further in the race to true understanding is a level of hubris and folly that is far beyond repair. You’re not alone unfortunately. Though for your own sake you might want to leave the heavy lifting to the ones who can still hoist without completely shattering.

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Excellent thoughts. This really helped me. Ive been there done that too on the mission field but realized it wasnt what I was cut out for pretty quickly. I Skipped the scotch but have my own reality/happiness techniques. Personal successes, regular and new pussy, as well as a goal Im working towards seem to do it for me. But in the end its all chasing the wind. I accept that now.

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thos. use to say similar years back when i first found 4yrs ago. back when virgil kent had empireofdirt.

ui had an issue with him pumpin n dumpin virgins instead of trying to be serious with them. the other was flag collecting. an invisible thing that dont matter like gettin an arab flag. whats the point when any lattin girl woulda been easier if u wanted dark skin.
the other was icking up in foreign tradional lands. even in the forum. ill admit it felt wierd about going topoor lands but can kinda live it. but the fact where nations resist western habits of promiscuity like nations in the indian subcontient middle east an africa. where youll be westernizing them by ruining them. as much as we like to claim we are so self aware our habits an actions will ruin them an bite us later.
like i can see the need to date in foreign lands that are sexually open like latin america europe n asia seems fine but those closed ones are best left alone.
game must be used responsibly. hump the loose women or women that come from open sex culture but virgin an tradional women musr be lefy alone unless for serious courtship.let them and their culture an land be the protected santurary while oyr western lands that are doomed be the hunting ground leaving out any unicorns passing through.
but if it can be reversed lets try. even reversing ones over seas where its spreading cuz ot can come back an influence us since theyll feed off each other an make ot worse.
any type of degenerecy must be stamped out

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You and at least 13 others need to read this article again. Clearly some things went over your head.

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A future without ya lying rapists

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“Dedicate yourself to God”

Since when did you start to believe in God?

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Same thing I wondered.

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I think Quintus Curtius (who I’m gathering is a fairly religious guy) is having a big influence on Roosh.

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Quintus is an agnostic that has respect for religion and values it’s teachings. But if I’m wrong, he can always correct me

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Read between the lines; he was thinking on the matter for several years before explicitly saying anything.

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Roosh has shown a more conservative, sober trend for at least a year now. I’m not surprised to see this step. Look at what is happening in Europe or on campuses in America. The Roissy poolside is coming to an end, and the troubles are upon us.

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“Roosh has shown a more conservative, sober trend for at least a year now.”

Yes i know this but he never said anything about god though.

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“A God-fearing man would have to build high walls against the never-ending barrage of degenerate messages and sinful temptation that surround him”

“Dedicate yourself to God”

If Roosh continues this religiosity trend, we may actually end up seeing him fighting “degenerate” West in Syria.

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Some of us would like to fight it in Europe!

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*thumbs up*

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Why does everyone assume Roosh will go Muslim? Doesn’t he live in Catholic Poland now?

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I think you know what it is. You know where all of this is headed.

Dedicate yourself to the Struggle (Kampf).

In the modern world, jihad is the only true, righteous path.

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What makes it right ?

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“I’m sure you agree with me that the path to self-awareness and independence has become difficult and dark in a way that it wasn’t for men of the past.”

Especially from elder male relatives who married virgins but now advise you to knock up some early thirties Ameriskank because that’s what men are supposed to do.

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Roosh, back when you were in your late 20s and slaying girls in Brazil / Colombia, if somebody told you to find lasting happiness by dedicating yourself to God, you would have told them to go fuck themselves (at least in your brain).

Like all teenage boys and 20-something men with raging hormones, your young cousins are going to want to do exactly the same things you did, at least in some capacity.

And when did religiosity become such a big thing for the red pill / masculinity movement? Just because a lot of hardcore SJW progressive nutjobs are militant Atheists, doesn’t mean having to pick a religion is the cure or solution.

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There are those of us that did not eat a blue pill or red pill at any point in time, but most of the men I know that are like that chose God first. There was never a promise that if you chose a path it would be easy and perhaps thinking so is the greatest error of them all.

Someone else being a militant atheist did not have a thing to do with it. That would consist of merely being oppositional (common among young, dumb and fulla c^m).

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I think it’s lame to embrace religion SOLELY because it is traditional against liberalism. I’m an agnostic, but tend to find atheism far more rational. There’s simply no evidence of a god. If one personally believes there is, that’s fine by me, but if one is only believing in a god for some political aim, I can’t stand behind that.

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@ShadowRising Neither Roosh or Tooj ever said anything about religion. They referred to God and I’m assuming the God that they’re referring to is the same God that counts religion as his most hated man made institution.

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Agnosticism is the most rational: you get a better view of the surrounding land when you are sitting on the fence.

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I feel as if agnosticism is the ‘real’ atheism, as agnostics are never the aggressive types you see here.

Believing in God for a political aim – I agree that it makes no sense. But I think what some neomasculinists are trying to say is that Christianity provides a good, harmonious society and is a part of our culture, and thus Christianity should not be fought and suppressed (as it is being done right now) but rather encouraged.

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In every civilization worth shit absolutely everyone has a boss and is held accountable.

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Good post.

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I understand your frustration, Roosh. You’ve described my daily battle. It’s been said long ago that nothing worthwhile is easy. Christ Himself also told us that his followers would be hated, reviled and persecuted. Your reward comes at the end. And if not, you’re no worse off.

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Your an idiot. Period. Your going right to the path were you begun. I don´t know why I spend time reading this shit. Once in a while you say something useful. But lately it´s horseshit. You don´t have nothing left to say do you. You´re still the same old beta. For fuck sake idiot in which buble are you living in? You websites have this and that views. And? You´ve been writing for years. Put a naked woman and you will get the same views.
Here´s my two cents you twit. Your biological mother left you. Either you accept it and the pain will go away. Not all. But at least a substantial part. Or you will continue to suffer taking temporary pain killers. Go see a therapist a good one. And start off with that. Peace.
As for the rest go suck a horse dick. It´s always been though. You want traditional family values? Grab a one way ticked to Saudi Arabia. And find a wife there. There problem solved. We are living one of the greatest time in humanity. And you are bored.

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It’s not the greatest time in humanity. Every conceivable measure shows that 1950s USA was probably the pinnacle of economic and social well-being perhaps in world history. There are indeed problems to solve.

And while I don’t thoroughly agree with Roosh on this article, take your immature ad hominem attacks elsewhere.

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However, it can’t be denied that that economic prosperity is exactly what led us to our situation today.

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Of course were living in great times. Great great times. For fucksake. It´s good millennials exist it means young people don´t have to work with 12 years old. Also you can´t generalize. Roosh has lost the train. And he tried to convince him he was right. If you look at all the players movie there comes a moment when the character gets sick of whores. Nothing wrong with it. Of course the world is still unfair. But it will always be. It will always be. Should we freeze in front of the car headlights. Or fucking go to fight. What you should have said to your cousins is: Did anyone beat you at school? If yes teach them how to punch.
The other day my kid was getting beaten at school. I taught him how to punch. Next day I take him to school the bully starts trying to steal his toys. My kid looks at me. I look at him. And he kicks the bully and throws him to the floow. I was proud.

It ain´t how hard you hit. It´s how hard you get hit and keep moving forward. Rocky

This pseudo intelectuals which are filling you sites licking your ass makes me want to puke.

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Life´s great man. Enjoy it.

When are you visiting Brazil again?

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Holy shit man I was listening to this song as I read this. This is my favorite Brazilian song. How did you find it?

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Baphometos, Baphome, and bafster. Of course you would think we’re living in the best time, we’re living in the Last Days. The start of a NWO boot stomping on your neck for eternity, this is glorious to you.

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And what else is new? The elite since the begining of ages was always trying to fuck over the commons. The NWO will never succeed. Another group will see the flaws and want the power. Just like masons did with the american and french revolution. And induce the commons against the elite. Roosh is trying to exploit this political failure. Just like you do in market failure. There´s a crack. Needing to be exploited for the entire wall to fall. We are seeing in front view a fight between masonry and church. Masonry is obviously winning. Since the american revolution and french revolution. But masonry is like feminism or a woman. It´s good as a counterpower. It can never lead. Because they can only be against. The church must guide and masonry temper the church will. Not the other way around. The problem with the church is wanting the rich to be rich and poor to be poor without any type of social mobility. If they would change this aspect. They´re biggest flaw they could probably take over and dominate again the politics.
It´s all about money and power. Nothing less, nothing more.

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Do you enjoy sucking Roosh dick? His biological mother left him. Unless he deals with this he will never be able to fully trust a woman. As for the atacks. They are not atacks. What Roosh don´t need is more people cheering him up. Yeah Roosh great article. This one is the best one. So good.
This article is ridiculous. Roosh can go to the moon he will not find a woman. The pain doesn´t go away. Until you get rid of it.

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He said greatest time for humanity, not America. It’s debatable whether the 50s were better than now. It depends on who you ask. I’m sure no black man would want to be teleported back to 1950. But I guess it was paradise for a white conservative.

I try to avoid golden era fallacies. There’s really no period in history I’d prefer to go back to live if I had a time machine. Except perhaps Rio de Janeiro in the 60s.

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Late ’80s. The norm was 20% annual raises and companies would hire and promote based on merit. By the time my ex girlfriend was 22 she was making $80k a year and had a half-million dollar budget to manage on behalf of her boss (she was EA to the president of the North American Soft Drink Association). I was able to land a job in a bank with only two years of university. My first day on the job I co-signed a $30 million check, not that I was making huge money myself, but the potential was there.

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The first couple of times you write ‘your’ is actually meant to be written ‘you are’ or ‘you’re’.

So for the first sentence i would say “You’re an idiot Baphometos”.

It would be both grammatically and factually correct.

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Thank you grammar Nazi. Now you can go back sucking Roosh dick.

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sock puppet accounts are getting a little less subtle these days

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you litle fuck. What are you saying here? are you making a threat? Are you censoring me?
Should I use thor because the litle internet fuck is threatening me? Should I?
Your name is anon1 right?

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Is it better now anon? You stupid litle fuck. Your just like the SJW. If I wanted to be anounymous I would have used thor before.

Roosh is atracting a lot of shit lately. If this is not Roosh himself. You cunt.

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Thor?

Pmsl

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Have you finished?

Sucking roosh dick.

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lmao you got some mentally ill haters here roosh

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Looks like you triggered him.

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You’re an idiot if you think that the google government doesnt want to brutally murder people that oppose it like Roosh and others do.

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Roosh opposes what? He´s being played like he was before. You see when you give one step. They are already giving two steps further. Reason why they are the elite. Roosh is like a good useful idiot fool communicating the elite plans. Is not exposing shit. He´s being a good courier. They decided to let people like Roosh and other talk. Because it´s in their best interest. When it stops being in their best interest to let Roosh talk. They will shut him down in 24 hours. Roosh just found a way to get audience, even if it´s in the elite best interest. He´s slowly indoctrinating people with the elite plans. His making money out of this. Nothing wrong with that. He doesn´t own nobody shit. But lately I feel he´s also a part of the scam. And he wants to be.
If he want to expose the elite he should be going deep. Where do the elite gather? Who are the elite? Who? We all know the name of the families (Rockefeller, Rothschilds, Dupont, etc). But the person. Where does he live? Where does he work? Phone number? Passport number? How and when are they meeting?
Pictures of the elite names. How much money do they spend? where did they go to dinner.
The guy from Wikileaks was doing it. Look where his now. He´s going crazy. 3 years living in a embassy.
If Roosh wanted to fight the elite. He wouldn´t be using disqus. He already deleted one comment of mine warning about the dangers of disqus. Just google. But he still uses the litle fucker.
You want truth. Here´s the truth. Before I use to read this on his site. Now it´s just politically correct. He “exposes” but like all other do. Nothing wrong. People which went to far either ended up dead or presidents.

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I’m very pleased to read this because I wholeheartedly agree. Everywhere around us there is negativity… believe in God? Have a large family? I am proud that you are writing a testament to the futility of having sex outside of marriage, that God is real, that having a large family is the most wonderful thing in the world!! I salute you! I have four grandsons ages 13-20. I have told them repeatedly that their virginity is the most powerful thing they possess. They have POWER because of it. Never forget Samson and Delilah. Young men are not being taught well because the present worldly agenda is to break them down mentally and psychologically, inform them that there is no hope conferring upon them a meaningless life because there is no unemployment unless one is rich. I have news for all of the naysayers in the comments below: God always makes a way where there is no way! Doing what is right is the most powerful thing in the world.

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Thank you.

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High School teacher here. You’ll be surprised at the number of my male students that are awake to the current realities. And the amount of my anti-feminist female students. (Keep in mind, I teach in the People’s Republic of the Greater Northeastern United States).

But yes, I agree, things do look pretty bleak, especially my generation (millennial) and the upcoming generations.

I only have one article on ROK so far, but I hope to publish many more, especially in relation to things related to the current education system and my observations on the upcoming generation of men and women (both good and bad). Maybe more neomasculine-leaning teachers will come out of the closet as a result.

Excellent article as always.

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It can be a very long road to The Truth. And every path is individual. And an individual path shared magnifies its greatness.
In some cases it’s the achievements that make The Man. But the true Alpha turns the mistakes and bad times to magnificent account.

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The future is meaningful.

Men fight and plan and struggle for a future. This future vision can be any number of things, but it is universally larger than just the man’s life.

The three suggestions you, Roosh, have here are all about the future. Not just the immediate future, but a future beyond the death that will end every man’s life.

All the MGTOWs or most Redpillers have no future, because they have not accomplished or will not accomplish a religious, family, or community life.

Because they have no future, everything they do is pretty much masturbation; they’re simply marking time until they die.

I was skeptical of your move to a “neomasculinity” because I don’t think you went far enough. Now I think you might have legs in this race. You’ve gone through hedonism and come out the other side.

And fuck you to all that whine that there’s too much risk in marriage. Life as a man is hard, and you cannot stop gaming. If you aren’t going to do the woman thing, then go be a monk or go hardcore church crusader. If not that, then go full community and help your fellow white man, or black man, etc., if they are truly Americans. Have zero fucks given to recent immigrants or non-christian religions.

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It always comes back around…

Once you realize the relativity of ideas and worldly forms, and the impossibility of making a pure observation, it’s all just rabbit holes after that.

You can dance through the darkness or lay down in fear.

Your choice.

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Another factor not often discussed is I believe that about half the world population is going to get destroyed somehow within the next 100 – 150 years. Simple math shows this. In 1815, world pop was 1 billion. In 1915, it was 1.5 billion. Then in 2015, it shot up to almost 7.5 billion and rising. If put on a graph, this huge spike usually always follows with a downward spike. I estimate world pop to hit 10 billion — and then it will fall back down to about 6 billion or so.

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I wouldn’t say that hard math says so, more like human nature and public announcements courtesy of our elites…

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Barring a meteor strike or nuclear war, I think that we will plateau around 10 billion. I might be wrong. There is still lots of room on this planet and the general rule is that a human will produce more than they consume. Canada, for instance, has a population of about 35 million. The country could comfortably be the home of 100 million or more.
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Economics and society are a big factor. It is such a crap sandwich to be a young white couple in the west because housing prices are so crazy and it takes a quarter million dollars to raise a kid to age 18. Dumb-ass, broke-ass, people and third world immigrants breed like rats and the state will give them what they need to live like a bunch of fucking primates.

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I remember reading somewhere that the population will peak somewhere around 10-12 billion or so by 2200 and then start to decline.

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Men have to look forward to what men have always had to look forward to.

The struggle to get what u need and want out of life.

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The inevitable end of the red pill carousel: boredom.

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I live in China now. This was not some grand strategy on my part or “sticking it to the man” or Yellow Fever or whatever, it just so happens that my employment brought me here. However, having sampled some fine Chinese pussy I found a great lady that I will settle down with: 22 years my junior (she is 27, I am 49), tall (5’9″), slim (about 130 pounds, maybe less; BMI 19), smart, sweet, creative and a bunch of other things. I think I will be happy to be bored with her.
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I don’t see boredom and contentment being opposites. I am ex-military. I am a city boy. However, at my age the bright lights and discos, or being shot at by jihadis doesn’t do it for my anymore. I want to have a small house, or a B&B or a hobby farm, and sip lemonade on my porch during the day and then bang my China doll all night: rinse, repeat, die happy.

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You lack vitamin D man, you sound depressed. Maybe some quality time in the Philippines would cheer you up. Just kidding.
It’s hard to see everything going degenerate without being depressed, it takes a strong man. The western modernity is built on a lie and it will crumble like the stinking monster it has become, maybe not in our lifetime.

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Roosh, I know you get this sort of comment a lot, but if you actually can get an arranged marriage through your father, why don’t you take advantage of it? If that is not an option for you, either realistically or due to personal beliefs, please correct me. However, since taking the Red Pill I’ve come to appreciate arranged marriages and the stability they provide. I’m sure that whatever woman you find in Iran would be better than 70-80+% of western women today.

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I thought about that question before, but I’m too Westernized. My mind is too filled with notions of romantic love and “compatibility” that I don’t think I can pull the trigger on an arranged marriage, even with a girl who has perfect values.

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If you ever have a change of mind about Chinese girls then let me know.
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As a “white” guy (Canadian of English, Celt and Dutch stock) the concept of an arranged marriage is foreign to me. Here in China I did rely on my network (guan xi) to introduce me to some really good women. They didn’t pan out and now I am basically engaged to a girl I met on OKCupid.
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But there is the thing about arranged marriages. . .
There is a joke – with some wisdom to it – about how people think with three parts of their bodies: their brain, their heart and their gonads. Maybe it is a function of being westernized but keeping my heart and dick happy tempers the schemes that my cold, rational brain comes up with. An arranged marriage makes perfect sense, logically but the sex is iffy as is the passion to do stupid things together.
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Guys have to prioritize these three modes of existence. They have to find what works for them. It seems that “swallowing the red pill” means cutting out your heart and putting your dick on a leash so that every move you do is calculated by your brain.
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That’s not what I signed on for, although it might come back and bite me on the ass.

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Statistically speaking, however, arranged marriages tend to work out better than marriages in which mates choose one another.

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Yes but that presumes a beta guy and a woman who is not infected with feminism. They are both passive players in that kabuki theatre. You, me, Roosh, pretty much any ROK reader would get bored rather quickly.

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To each his own, I suppose. Not to sound presumptuous, but I would still consider it if I were you, seeing as how you’re seriously thinking about taking a wife now. Good luck to you either way.

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The fact that you responded to this comment seems to indicate the issues you have been having lately is because you believe marriage will fill the emptiness you are experiencing. You only feel this way because it is just another thing you have not yet experienced. I’m not advising one way or the other but if you do get married or decide to live with a woman and raise a family do it knowing it is not a cure for the emptiness, do it for another reason. Even if you get married with a family and all you will probably still end up in the same place feeling like there was no real meaning to that too.

Ultimately you need to find a purpose and meaning in life that is bigger than you and your family and work on that regardless of if you are married, single or whatever. You will not find ultimate fulfillment in people(wife, kids, family etc) or things. You need to keep setting new and bigger goals and dedicate your life to being the best you(whatever that means for you) and die empty knowing you did your best to hit your full potential. Everything else in life is an add on or a blessing to be enjoyed, these blessings are not meant to be the focus of your life.

You keep saying the times are bad, then figure out how you can make a difference and change the world or whatever change you can influence in a positive way. Does it sound impossible then go after that and you will never be bored again and you will be so alive you will be able to enjoy all the other blessings in your life (be it wife and family, banging hoes, video games, things, money, whatever)

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I would love for Roosh’s next project to be neomasculine films. He would be a natural

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At one point I will get my head out of my ass and pursue this. Here are some suggestions:
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“White Knight” Not what you might think. In the summer of 2010 the G20 met in Toronto and anarchists and leftist descended on the town to loot an pillage. Although there were thousands of police, their priority was to protect the VIPs and the commoners could eat fucking cake. However, one guy (?) dressed in white track pants, a white jersey and white painter hat with “Fuck Anarchy” on it ran amok and beat the shit out of the black bloc posers.
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“Jim Wright: Vampyre Slayer”. Jim is ex-military but leads a seemingly quiet existence as a security guard while raising his daughter. At night, he hunts vampyres. Jim is a Christian conservative and vampyres are all of the leftist/socialist/feminist fuckers that you love to hate. They are blood-sucking parasites on our society and he will take them out. They are in league with werewolves who are neo-nazis. He must defeat their plot to infect the Red Cross blood bank, which would create many more vampyres given that so many hospitals rely on that blood supply.
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“Earth Dogs Die Hard”. Aliens land on Earth and tell them that there is a Machine invasion that will wash over them. The Earth forms a sort of world government, the UNE (they have no jurisdiction on Earth itself) and the aliens give us the technology to make powered armour, portable fusions power packs, impact lasers, blast weapons, FTL drives and the like. We send 2 million soldiers to recapture a planet. They have to go into the depths of the Machine complex because to “nuke it from space” would only scratch the surface. But this is a story of 8 men who did this.

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Let’s make this happen

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Then there is “Bang: The Movie” starring Jake Gyllenhaal comment image as Roosh.

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It’s time to get a 5d Mark iii, with Magic Lantern

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I don’t get your reference.

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It’s a DSLR camera with custom firmware

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It’s time for a revival of the western genre. I hope to be a part of that within the next few years. Been reading westerns since my sophomore year of high school, and I’ve read several that I think would make great films.

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They’ll remake Unforgiven someday, but Eastwood will be replaced with a fat, black tranny. The horror…

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I have no problem with minority actors playing major roles in westerns, and in cinema in general. What I do take issue with is casting minority actors in roles that are CLEARLY white characters, i.e the Human Torch in the new Fantastic Four movie.

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Two cousins (to use the same framework though mine are both older than I am by several years, Gen X-ers or whatever, and both are once-divorced):

One is looking at wanting to continue his father’s business and expand upon it, to start a family, and to become a respectable member of the community. All he ever talks about are his plans and the completion of some minor objective on his way towards something larger, then what comes next after that. He spends his time so busy working, the rest of the family only sees him at special gatherings. Two older sisters and a nuclear family. Get those chores done, boy.

One is right now being investigated, spends most nights and weekends drinking, and has recently lost his job due his refusal to show up anymore. All he ever talks about is the highlight reel from his past. A fight he won, a party he went to, a girl he knew one time. He spends his time looking for old “pals” (or anyone at all, really) to hang out with while getting high and whining about how unfair things are and how rough he’s had it. Two older half-brothers and a half-sister, with multiple Aunts buying him clothes and stuff since his mom ran off. Oh, you poor little victim.

I’m pretty sure the moment before these outcomes, is that moment we all face in deciding whether or not we become men. It is imperative to choose well.

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“I slept with dozens of girls around the world, but now I’m tired of it.
I traveled to two dozen countries, but now it’s boring because there’s nothing novel left to experience.
I make enough income to live a minimalist lifestyle indefinitely, but I don’t care for the comfort it gives me.
I’ve achieved a high level of fame and influence, with web sites that collectively served 88 million page views last year, but I’ve become accustomed to it. It’s no big deal.”
Just turn to GOD Mr. Roosh. Please TRUST on LORD JESUS CHRIST! Amen!

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You’re thinking more clearly than you ever have and doing a great service for men everywhere. I support where your soul is guiding you.

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It sounds like you are in a lack of Kratom.

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All cities are the same. Its their wildernesses that are different and interesting.

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This is why ideally every race should be allowed to maintain their own cultural heritage in separate continents where each of them belong. When your neighbors are same race/ethnicity as you and share same/similar values, you are more likely to help your neighbors. It starts with healthy emotional state and physical health and then it starts with having good relationship with family and then neighbors.

Good family > Neighbors > Race/Ethnicity > Country

Something along that line in that order.

External pleasures don’t last long because a man was made to build, create and innovate. Having a purposeful goal with happy family will make a man much happier. A man should not chase emotions though; it should chase his own desire to achieve; through overcoming hard obstacles will make a man a Man (notice the capital letter there). I remember when I built something for a science project long time ago when I was a kid, it was one of the most enjoyable moment.

A Man should live life with a purpose.

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It’s the struggle that makes us men.

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I have observed Roosh’s prolonged and now quite radical transformation for years. I read Kierkegaard’s Either/Or years ago and was impressed with its analysis of the aesthetic vs. the ethical sphere (thesis/antithesis to use the Hegelian language, which is actually Fichte’s but that’s another matter) and then then ultimately their synthesis – the religious sphere/the absurd leap of faith. Roosh has embodied the clever aesthetic cad role, not he’s moving toward absolute values in a world saturated with relativism (he’s even reading Hegel). The time has clearly come for Roosh to read Kierkegaard, specifically, Either/Or, which presciently and almost prophetically (least of all timelessly, this thing was written mid 19th century) outlines his current struggle.

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I admit that I am not surprised at all by this gradual change that is
taking place in Roosh—a change that, as everyone else has pointed out,
contradicts the purported beliefs he preaches in some of his writing.
Admittedly, thinking in radical terms and using fundamentalist prose for so
long can have devastating effects in any sane person’s mind. Note that anyone
whose mind appreciates a dose of healthy biologically-motivated desires to be
fulfilled and to be grateful to life would have to refrain from indulging in
this awful self-laceration in regards to women and life in general. No one could
handle that kind of stress. Roosh is seeking guidance and renewed morals and
values in order to prevent confusion, mental disorders, violence, and, perhaps,
ultimately, suicide. One of the key
characteristics of being a sensible human being is precisely that of being realistic
about the changes that one can aspire to make. He has done his part, I believe.
He has created awareness of the problems that men face nowadays and it is up to
us now to see in what way we could use this knowledge in order to improve our
lives.

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At 45 years old I have moved from the ‘getting lucky’ to ‘getting laid’ to ‘having a family’ mindset…I am not a ‘winner’ but I have shelter, a job and a small amount of money in the bank. I don’t know if I can find a woman with values at this juncture, if nothing else I can tread water till I retire…I fear for my nephew who is 9 years old…he is entering a world that will tell him at every opportunity that he is evil, a problem, and does not deserve to exist. It’s like being a Jew in Berlin in 1932, or a Capitalist in Shanghai in 1946. It is chilling.

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Roosh, I don’t know if you read the commentary. I understand that reading it could induce schizophrenia (LOL).

You wrote: “In the modern age, a life of meaning for men is impossible to achieve
without also having to perpetually fight. It will take the mentality of a
warrior to defeat the forces that want to hold us back today…”

This is not something of only the modern age, this is something that has existed in all ages. Yes, there is a war being fought. Why do you think there is such a concerted effort these days to stamp out certain aspects of life? There has always been an adversary to man. It has never been “easy”.

There is God and there is Satan. The latter was given dominion of this world, but having been given free will the choice is given to us. This may be why seeking only self-satisfaction through sex, novelty and money is not meaningful as these are things of this world.

I wish you the best and hope you look outside yourself (and self-satisfaction) for meaning.

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The whole building walls to keep out sin thing is an option within the American Christian community: the Benedict Option.

It makes sense since the entire mainstream culture is trying to shit on the religion that made the country, and by extension the entire West great.

Rod Dreher of American Conservative has written extensively about it. Though, it probably didn’t originate with him.

Benedict Option FAQ

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Roosh, thank’s for holding the torch for so long. However, it up to us to change the world now. My mentor has hit the wall and there’s nothing I can do about it. But I will continue my pick up journey as well as truly redefine, “what it means to be a man.” Give yourself to God if you find comfort in a deity. In contrast,my friends and I will create new theories, “A New Transhumanism” on how humanity can reach immortality and space colonization.

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You think that the google government is going to let you colonize space? Satan doesn’t share his Kingdom. Your/our ilk will be lucky not to suffer the brutally painful death of a martyr, don’t you get it?

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Roosh, God Bless you!

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I have a step brother who just hit 18. However, I have two nieces. One is a teenager. I am contemplating what sort of life advice to give them.

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Create lots of wealth, spend little, save and invest a lot. Have lots of kids with one or more than one girl–probably serially but in parallel would be ideal (though not realistic in the West at this time). That’s a true harem, the holy grail for successful men. That’s how kings and rulers have always done it. The betas and blue pillers can be step dads or virtual reality users–their genes will not propagate. Virtual dating–it’s already happening in Japan where people are going extinct.

Live somewhere rural and safe. Home school. Avoid but don’t evade taxes. Have firearms for protection. Follow a religion and instill it in the kids. With the internet and delivery service these days, it’s not as important to live in big cities with their crime, bums, distractions, taxes, moral turpitude and left wing politics.

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“Dedicate yourself to God. Find a woman and have a big family with her. Give back to your community and make people’s lives better.”

Nothing earth-shattering there. That’s pretty much just common sense stuff that most parents tell their kids.

Odd to hear you advocating for belief in god now. I remember you being a staunch atheist that believes in no afterlife.

Sounds like Roosh is long-term depressed to me. Not sure if his moving back to DC has anything to do with that.

When Neil Strauss wrote The Game, I remember him toward the end mentioning how pick up guys had a tendency to be restless and have a hole in their life they have to try to fill with something. For a while getting pussy filled that emptiness in their lives. Some got burned out on girls and tried to fill the hole with something else such as religion, until they burned out on that too. Ultimately happiness and fulfillment comes from within.

I read a recent article on death and a man with pancreatic cancer mentioned that he looked out his window and saw a flower blooming. But knowing he was going to soon die, that blooming flower never looked so beautiful and intense to him. If only we could have that attitude our entire life. There’s endless amazing things going on all around us that we don’t even realize because we’re too caught up in our shit.

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I’ve made peace with my existence.

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I think you just grew the fuck up, just like I did in my 30s.

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If I embrace religion it won’t be due to some epiphany. I have been studying philosophy, religion and science for two decades and nothing so far has jumped out at me. More likely, it will be a calculated, strategic decision on how to best ensure the fidelity of my woman an to raise my children within a moral framework.

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Roosh thanks for this article, it’s timely considering the upcoming meetup because I actually do share your opinions in this and your advice was generally going to be the same advice I was going to give. I was nervous at the prospect of having this advice angrily rejected but as you and I both know it’s better to say it and find at least one companion. Your mention of God would be the most heavily criticized, and Im sorry, but Im going to trust the God that has an incredible track record with prophecy over the 20something tha’ts upset about this fact. There will be no rallying of the troops to fight back the tide, and these meetups will be much more productive if people understand that they are for companionship during the End Times. You are extremely naive if you think that anything better is going to come out of this.

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Thank you again for writing this. You put to paper all of the thoughts I had swimming around my head like a jumbled mess. This is information is foundational when it comes to going forward in these times and you need to be either deluded or naive to think different. My only hope for these meetups is that lasting relationships grow out of this solid foundation of understanding.

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can someone please help me, i’m new and i want to start a thread, how do you do it?

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Submit an article to ROK and see if they publish it. However, this is a man’s space and if you are a “femme fatale” then you should probably just keep quiet.

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You can’t really shut women up on the internet. That’s the beauty of it. I’m sure you can delete posts, but we can keep making them.

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This is a masculine space, one of the few. The purpose is not to shut you up, as much as that might be a good idea, but rather to have heterosexual men debate and define themselves. By nature, you simply cannot participate in that.

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It’s too late. I have already been engaged in conversations on here. You can’t make a gender specific website. Thanks, technology!

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Well good for you in violating the rules of civil society with no consequences.

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First off, you personally do not have the power to make laws on a website. Civil society would be more likely to agree with me, I am almost positive. Also, I do have to deal with the consequences of hearing your dumb and dangerous ideas about women and society, and then further bearing the burden of sharing this information with intelligent people so that we can protest any and all of your completely straight masculine events.

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“Dumb and dangerous” basically defines feminist ideas and we can see how far that has run. I don’t have any personal power but the mods here can ban your ass once I have finished with you. I don’t agree with everything that ROK members say, but they are largely intelligent and see the need for men to talk among men to work out various issues.

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I can always make another profile. Honestly, my trolling here could be endless. However, I am here because this blog has been coming to a lot of people’s attention and causing a lot of disgust worldwide. I haven’t seen a lot of love for these intelligent ideas of yours. I also haven’t seen a lot of intelligence in my conversations with your bros. It seems like you are scared of women and want to blame them for your fear. Good luck with your meetups. Maybe the reason you guys need pick up lines and “game” is because you think men know more about women than women do.

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“Worldwide” seems to mean a few offended idiots in America, Canada and Europe.
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Stupid people generally can’t see the intelligence in ideas or in others.
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I am not scared of women but I am concerned about an all-powerful state that caters to the whims of women rather than sticking to tried and true principles developed by men over the last 6000+ years,
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I didn’t come here to learn “game” – I do fine with ladies on my own terms – but rather more for the political and sociological discussions.
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Women as a group are not particularly introspective. They do a lot of fucked up shit and can’t explain why. I think you are right that some men figure they know women better than the women know themselves. Stating it sarcastically doesn’t make it less true.

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Men definitely don’t know more about women than they know of themselves. To be honest, women are all different people with different personalities, so you really can’t judge all women based on certain women that you meet. A little humility might do you well. You will never have the power over women and their whims that you seek. Dream on. Men also do a lot of fucked up shit and can’t explain why. You are not making any compelling observations on women. This entire site is a joke, and you will be consistently trolled until a benevolent hacker takes down this trashy site.

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If you want to see a joke, then look in the mirror. Or just go to jezebel.

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I prefer stand up comedy for my jokes, but I will consider your excellent and hilarious suggestions.

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I didn’t say anything about laws, you just made that up. Yes, you are very cock-sure of yourself (no pun intended). So you are planning to protest a bunch of guys getting together for a beer? You have too much time on your hands.

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This is how you know Roosh V is getting old, when he was younger all he talked about was getting laid and nothing else.

Now he is starting to talk about politics, gay marriage, Islam, immigration, multiculturalism, Donald Trump, etc.

He no longer has nothing but sex on his mind. Roosh V is evolving.

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He’s like what, 36? Just after I hit 30 I said “fuck this” and didn’t worry about getting laid anymore. Of course, I still chased women but I had an end game in mind. I actually turned away pussy on various occasions because it would have been a waste of my time.

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I hit the wall at 42. Kudos to you!

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Men don’t have a “wall”, we just have this looming prospect of “maturity”. It’s your choice but as a 40-somthing guy I gave up on fucking skanks and spent my energies locking down a gorgeous 20-something “’till death do us part” and all that bullshit. Check back with me in a year or so.

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” I gave up on fucking skanks and spent my energies locking down a gorgeous 20-something “’till death do us part” and all that bullshit. Check back with me in a year or so.”

You actually got married in this day and age knowing just how bad things are, also you being a red pill man? Do you really want us to check back with you after a year?

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My girl is Chinese. They have a different mindset.

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If one has to marry in femerika (I assume you are based on the States) then chinese is the way to go.

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As things turned out I live and work in China. There are some forces working against me but overall there is 4000 years of tradition to keep the girl in line.

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I misspoke on that one. I got into the habit after 40 of dating women younger than I. My last two girlfriends were 15 and 17 years younger respectively. But, I got bored. This is why I joined the site. I saw that Roosh is hitting what I would call the male wall. You can get any woman you want if you try hard because you know them better than they do, and then, you wake up the next day, and you say, now what? I hope that you and that much younger girl find bliss. Keep us posted. I need hope. Right now, I fear that I will have a female in my bed, but the women have gone.

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My 20s were filled with a certain naïveity where I had various women who I thought I could settle down with (so about 7 out of those 10 years I was playing house). When I hit 30 I said “fuck this”. . . literally. I banged a bunch of useless sluts. When I hit my mid-thirties I smartened the fuck up and became much more careful with my dick and my heart.
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It was in 2011 that I came to China to work. All of a sudden the quality of women I was meeting went through the roof. I was in my mid-40s but all of the women I was dating were either late 20’s or early 30’s, so that was a 10 to 20 year age gap.
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YMMV but here is the girl I think I have locked down.
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She is tall (5’9″) slim (130, BMI 19) smart, sexy, notch count of three prior to me and seems to be a whole lot of awesome.
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Cheer up, mate. There are still a billion good women out there even if American chicks are utterly useless.
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If you don’t find Asian women attractive that doesn’t work so well.

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There is always FSU, but I have no first or second hand experience with that.

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A point comes when getting a woman becomes formulaic. You size up what you want, evaluate your chances, wait for the opportunity, then execute. As our society has dumbed down, provider game has gotten much, much easier. If you look like you can f*ck, make her laugh, and display that you can raise the babies she wants to have with you, it is downhill from there. But that’s the angle from a man of a certain age.

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Greetings. I have been following Roosh and the manosphere for a long time. I like the articles that Roosh writes, but he does not hammer home the fact that we live in an engineered environment. Roosh, please write more of those types of articles. I am an older man, and I wish that I had known what there is to know now. There was no internet then. And men will do nearly anything for p*ss*. So information was sparse. You provide a good service.

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Great post. I guess you just thoroughly exhausted the first layers of the Maslow pyramid – smth that many of us, old farts, failed to do. Now go up, and up, as high as you can. You have a solid base to build on and it’s probably the only direction that can spare you the boredom – continuous fight to get better.

And do share your findings with your cousins (and us), even if sometimes it seems pointless. I for one do wish I had discovered you and Roissy and Rollo at least a decade ago.

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“Great post. I guess you just thoroughly exhausted the first layers of the Maslow pyramid”

Most psychology is junk science but Maslow’s theory comes closest to explaining the needs of the Human condition.

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“Pursuing external experiences, objects, or sex with beautiful women made me joyous but only for a short period of time, and then I returned back to the same emotional level. Was it all a waste? Was it all for vanity? Whatever the answer, I surely can’t advise my young cousins to pursue hedonism”

The issue here Roosh, is that ‘pussy’ is a rite of passage. The only way to get tired of it and dedicate oneself to deeper things in life is when a man spends enough time banging enough skanks to where it hits critical mass; and only then will he adopt the “been there done them” perspective, and move on to more meaningful things in life.

Many men are loved starved and maybe have had sex a few times in their lives, and that sex was probably with some haggis ugly fattie in which he had to keep his eyes closed the while fucking and try to envision an attractive woman in his head; a good definition of hell on Earth if you ask me.

And it doesn’t matter if the guy is in his 40’s. If he has not had enough sex with young, attractive females (not fatties or pig vomit, or aged chewed up and barfed out spinster passed her prime), there is no way in convincing him that he should pursue other meaningful things in life when he has not passed through that sexual rite of passage phase that exists in every man.

I think the old British expression “sow your wild oats” makes a lot of sense because a man who has been raised to think the almighty vagina is his singularity cannot develop as a Human being unless he can put women in their proper place in his life. He has to get it out of his system. He has to realise that women are nothing special. He has to experience her beauty and the joy of dumping his load in her; as well he has to experience her period blood, pussy farts, her bullshit games, and her inability to love no one but herself. In short, a man has to experience the good, the bad, and the ugly of the hormonal driven beast.

Sadly most men will never be able to say they ‘banged a bunch of hot chicks and are tired of it’. They will constantly be fed a bunch of mainstream bullshit with a carrot hanging in front of them, competing with other uber betas for sex with fuckin ugly feminized bitches.

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Great post! I would disagree with you on one point. I don’t think the man has a saturation point based on bangs. I think he has a saturation point based on the fact that very pretty women have ENORMOUS issues! Had I listened to the wisdom of men before me, I would be richer today. But, nope, I went down the same road as many before me had gone and only afterwards did I understand The Odyssey.

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” I think he has a saturation point based on the fact that very pretty women have ENORMOUS issues”

Good point as well. I think every man his own own limits. Some guys only need seversl banks or ltrs with a few hotties in order to get the bigger picture, while other men to be with hindreds of females.

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We are living in a world and in a time that the fresh river of life is flowing toward a sewer pool. A downward streaming that the more it goes the faster it flows until reaches the sewer and rots and then there is no way back.
through the way the river loses its freshness but the poor creature engulfs himslef and lets it go, letting go faster than when he started, he desperstely hopes for more freshness as he “used to have” but the further he goes the worse it becomes.
Only those whose hearts are enlightened have the insight to “swim” against the way it streams and not “letting go” by the stream. they face many difficulties and take hardships but in their heart they feel fresh !

Some times living in the world today reminds of the Pinochio and the Circus story. But most people are donkey enough not to recognize it.

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saae

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Somewhat OT, but Steve Sailer thinks that Poland, where Roosh has spent some time lately, can become a working traditionalist alternative to globalist-feminist-diversitarian degeneracy.

Poland is everything you are not supposed to be in the 21st century: a conservative, religious, and homogeneous nation-state.

http://takimag.com/article/diversity_vs_solidarity_steve_sailer/print#axzz3xnwRPQSe

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That´s why Roosh got the fuck out of there. Some things only look nice on paper. Have you been there at least. And the fact Roosh is a foreigner doesn´t count.

Enough is enough. Enough with this deade zombie following.

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Some of the zombie beliefs can work pragmatically to keep the weak-minded people in line, especially women. You don’t have to believe in the zombie to observe this empirically.

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I have been to Poland. There´s the hot woman. Nothing else. After you´ve fucked them and refucked them there´s nothing else. The food suck. The weather suck. Everything sucks except for woman. You cannot live there for more than 1-2 years.

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I think in every generation you will find plenty of skepticism and doom & gloom about the future. I bet you a bunch of guys born in the 1930s were complaining about how the kids born in the 1950s were entering a bad world. Human beings have evolved and survived much worse and at the end of it we always come out stronger. Sure maybe physically our ancestors were tougher and didn’t get offended at everything, but their lifestyles also had shortcomings that have been corrected by today’s science.

So I think saying something like “a man has nothing to look forward to in the future” is totally unjustified just because our society as a whole is undergoing a major change. Globalization is inevitable and no amount of game and neomasculinity will change the fact that women will keep getting more power and nationalism will decline. I think once the dust settles we will find that there are plenty of things to look forward to, just not in the traditional family and religion sense.

Anybody who ever studied history knows that there were several instances where major social changes like collapsed empires, mass migration, and plague led to society crumbling. At the end of it all humanity picks itself up and moves on. The same thing will happen in the future, we will just have new things to look forward to.

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Sup Brah?

Good post there. What men are lamenting is the lack of a lasting bond. Men want to put a hedge around a woman they think is good. The man building the house, and proving the grounds, and defending his little corner of the earth, and going off with other men to defend like minded corners of the earth, had an implied agreement. The woman would bear his children, mend his clothing, sustain his family with good meals, and provide him comfort and pleasure at night. This agreement has been breached. In the recent past, and still in the present in some rural communities, if the woman broke that contract, there would be consequences. The woman would lose her social standing in the community, and maybe even her own family. Today, a woman can, without cause, destroy the family of a faithful man who has kept his side of the street clean. Is that right? Should proper men just allow this to happen without at least sounding a warning to their younger brethren?

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Through struggle we grow stronger. News is that the American economy may be reaching recession, and hordes from the worst hells of the world are loose in Europe. The feminist-multiculturalist degenerate poz has reached its height, and is already in trouble. Let this be the time men put things right.

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What type of future can young men look forward to, Roosh? I have the perfect example!!!

Exhibit A, a twitter account I happened to stumble upon:

This guy’s methods are simple. Go all around twitter looking for the hottest girls, making sure they’re attention whores and thus most likely promiscuous from their account activity. Tell them to send you nudes or GTFO. Tell them to send you nudes holding up your name in the picture. Tell them to send you money. I’d estimate 1 out of 100 actually do. Then you hope some of them live nearby. Then you just tell them to keep sending you nudes with your name in the picture. Then you tell them to keep sending you money. Then eventually you know they’re DTF if they’ve been sending all those goodies so far. And voila. Insta-harem. Last I checked, this guy was at 88, all of them with smokin’ bodies in my opinion.

THis guy is the next step. This is what the future has in store. Game!?!??!!! Roosh!!! TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE GAME OBSOLETE!!!!! I’ll bet this guy doesn’t waste any time even talking to them in person!!