A Conversation About What’s Wrong With America

My roommate from Denmark was locked out of his room the other day and waited in the kitchen for the landlord to deliver a spare key. I cooked dinner in the meanwhile and we got to talking. At some point he asked me, “Why are you here?”

“Everyone keeps asking me that and I wish I had a quick, powerful answer, but it comes down to two things: wanting to explore, something I think most men want to do, and wanting to get away from the American way of life. I really can’t say which one motivates me more to be here.

“In America you go to college, which you’re told is supposed to be the most fun years of life, and then you get a job taking orders from some pencil dick in this grand mission to chase money and accumulate stuff. I don’t need stuff—all I need in life is a laptop and good speakers. I’ll be happy anywhere because it’ll keep me busy. I can write, read, listen to music, stay in touch with friends and family… I don’t need more than that. Now I date girls young enough who think that type of lifestyle is ‘cool,’ but if I ever want to have a family some day I’ll probably have to make some changes.

“I don’t want to work 40 hours a week doing the same thing to be insulted with a 3% raise and a pat on the head every year. I don’t want to count down the days to the weekend where I punish my liver because my week was so lifeless. I don’t want to wait until Saturday to take a book to a coffee shop and lose track of time. In college they should sit you down on your first day and say: ‘Ladies and gentleman, your mission in life is to make the days of the week irrelevant.’ What day is today? I don’t know. Days of the week are bar and club names for me now, places I know are good. Sunday: Casa Rosa. Wednesday: Casa da Matriz. Thursday: Democratica. Saturday: Rio Scenarium. I feel like I’ve made it because I don’t care what day it is.

“Americans are lazy but they’re not. When it comes to money they’ll work like fucking mules. You’ll never see someone put in as many hours as an American, kiss ass like an American. They’ll do anything to make that extra dollar to get that plasma television or dine in some frou-frou restaurant that got a good review by some idiot on the internet. They’ll grin and take it in the ass when the boss asks them to stay in on Saturday morning a month before performance reviews are due. They will work and barely complain when you tell them they can’t take a long vacation. Hell, even if you give them a lot of time off they wouldn’t know what to do with it. They’ll take a trip to the Caribbean or some pre-programmed cruise to be trapped with a bunch of whales, one handshake from projectile diarrhea.

“When it comes to anything else Americans don’t want to lift a finger. I mean look at heath care. Americans think it’s pills and MRIs. Why aren’t many people connecting the dots between the American diet and health care? Americans eat like pigs, look like pigs, get sick with diabetes, heart disease, god knows what else, and then complain that health care is too expensive. Their lifestyle makes it expensive. Don’t get me wrong I believe the government should provide free health care for its citizens, but exercising four times a week is my health care. Eating vegetables, cooking all my meals, avoiding junk food, drugs, stress—that’s my health care. I probably spend more hours a week on my health than on making money. Americans don’t cook or simply take care of themselves because they’re too tired from making money. They want to pop pills with side effects to keep eating ‘comfort’ food and sit on their asses. After putting in a tough eight hours or more with the man that’s all they have the energy to do.

“And the women… ‘I don’t need a man. I’m independent. I don’t need a man, I got my own money, my own job. I don’t need a man.’ The result is that an American girl thinks it’s weakness to show a man how much she needs him. I don’t know if you had a corporate job in Denmark, but dating an American woman is like dealing with coworkers. They’re very careful with what they say. Every laugh is meticulously orchestrated—she must’ve laugh too hard now or you may think she thinks you’re funny. Every word’s use was analyzed and judged—she mustn’t show too much interest because that’s weakness. ‘Shit I just showed too much interest I have to be cold now—let me make fun of him about something.’ I’m lucky I’ve spent enough time down here to know that that simply isn’t real. That’s not how women, as in women of the human race, really are. Those American girls are basically programmed to be more distant than their nature. And they wonder why they’re so unhappy. Nature is a powerful thing, and you’ll always lose when you go against it.

“The other night I went out with this Brazilian girl. Very cute girl, a few years younger than me. It was our second date and we went out to some gringo bar and after our first drink she looks at me and says, ‘If you were leaving back to America right now, I’d come with you. I’d take a chance and do it.’ Other Brazilian girls have done and said similar ‘weak’ things, and Colombian girls as well. And that’s real, because the nature of a woman is she needs a man. These girls here understand that. They don’t hide it, and I don’t punish them for it. A girl that knows she needs a man, that that’s the point of her existence, will treat men very well. She’ll pleasure him, make him happy, hold onto him a little tighter at night. You think an American girl will ever say something like that?! If I tell an American girl some of the things that the girls down here have said to me, she’ll be shocked, ‘But but that goes against the book! They’re showing too much interest! They’re showing weakness!’

“You remember that American girl I brought back a couple weeks ago? Okay I know I’m in Brazil and fucking an American girl looks bad, but truth is American girls have become perfectly designed for easy, meaningless sex. It’s like one step above jerking off… no emotions, just business—like getting with a prostitute. It takes just three hours to get them in bed, and you’re fucking her for the first time and she says cunt this, cock that, like she’s in a porno movie, because she watches that too. I just met the bitch and she’s moaning that she likes how much I’m beating her pussy up! Look that’s fun, like how jerking off with your left hand is fun, but it’s not normal. A normal girl will be quiet the first time, will be self-conscious, will wonder if she’s pleasing you properly or not.

“The Western culture has broken the women. A girl wakes up and she’s 30 and has no man and no hope for a man, yet she already passed on several who didn’t give her the tinglies or butterflies in her stomach or whatever the fuck term she uses. Because of course the culture gave them this sense of entitlement as well, to think that with mediocre looks and ten extra pounds they can get a hot stud like they see in the magazines in line at the grocery store. And then they get old and have to compete with younger and prettier girls. They can’t win. They won’t. So what do they do? They throw themselves on young guys who still value older women as ‘experienced’ and ‘mature.’ But those guys age and get a clue, and then you see the woman going on 40, working hard at the gym, desperately trying to fight the sag, bragging that she fucked this college guy. What a miserable existence.

“My parents aren’t American but in the end I’m a product of that culture and it takes a lot of time and effort to fight the programming —to do what nature intended you to do. Unfortunately I think I’ll always be tethered to America. My family is there and I can’t even talk to my mom on the phone without her guilting me into coming back and taking care of her, even though she doesn’t need taken care of. I don’t know… I’m going to go back and the first month is going to be great with my family, and my friends, and then after that they’ll be nothing for me. I don’t fit in there, and I don’t exactly fit in anywhere else either. What am I going to do in the States—get an American girlfriend? Get a 9-5? Fuck that. I don’t know what I’m going to do.”[culturewar]


  1. Anonymous January 18, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Roosh, as per your last line, have you thought about a business somewhere in another country? You might have long days for a few years, but it could be fruitful. I’m not sure what type of business would be good for you to run, just a thought.

  2. Paul January 18, 2010 at 9:52 am

    I’m going to go back and the first month is going to be great with my family, and my friends, and then after that they’ll be nothing for me. I don’t fit in there, and I don’t exactly fit in anywhere else either. What am I going to do in the States—get an American girlfriend? Get a 9-5? Fuck that. I don’t know what I’m going to do.”

    This line hit me like a truck.

    Seriously- Good stuff- you raise important questions.

    I don’t know the answer, but I do know that you’ve just illustrated a big fucking problem for everyone like you and me

  3. OG Sally January 18, 2010 at 10:00 am

    So, what was Denmark doing there?

    I’m always amazed by how quickly Americans are willing to trash their own country. Do they think doing so will ingratiate them with foreigners? I’ve never heard any other nationality hate so hard on their homeland. I have had several people in Northern Europe ask me why I left America, because they would love to be able to live over there.

    Futhermore, how many different cities in America have you lived?

  4. boston66 January 18, 2010 at 10:03 am

    mabee its all in your mind.

  5. Virgle Kent January 18, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Dude, you went extra hard on this post and body slammed it and then jumped on it’s new couch. My favorite line among many…..

    “Because of course the culture gave them this sense of entitlement as well, to think that with mediocre looks and ten extra pounds they can get a hot stud like they see in the magazines in line at the grocery store. And then they get old and have to compete with younger and prettier girls.”

    Yeah man, thinking they can pull a George Clooney when they can’t even pull a curious George.

    I suspect you’ve actually caused an American girl to commit suicide by now after reading this manifesto

  6. Living Dead Bachelor January 18, 2010 at 10:54 am

    The rat race portion really hit home for me…actually all of this did.

    I know those 40 year old women…I know those mediocre looking women with ridiculous standards for men…I know those ass-kissing co-workers….I know those work-obsessed people bragging about the new stuff they bought….I know it all….I know it all too well.

  7. Anonymous January 18, 2010 at 11:05 am

    what exactly did you say to that Brazilian girl who wanted to go back to America with you. You probably told her how ridiculous that is. So women should put themselves out there…to be shot down by guys like you just looking for a notch? That is supposed to be how the world works?
    You may hate american women because they are the only ones with a semblance of female-game.

    Aside from everything you say about women, the parts about healthcare and careers does resonate.

  8. Will January 18, 2010 at 11:05 am

    This was one of your best posts, which is saying a lot.

  9. Typical BS January 18, 2010 at 11:29 am

    You want to talk about how bad Americans lifestyles are when it comes to health and how they work so hard to make money, then you say the government should give free health care to everyone. I’m working hard for my money so people like you can say I should give it away so others can have free health care.

    Thats the typical liberal BS mindset. Oh this is so bad, this sucks, poor them, but lets give them free stuff. All that does is make them expect more in the future, there not held accountable for their actions.

    Roosh, your smarter than that. In the long run throwing free money at everyone isn’t going to work. People like me are tired of paying higher taxes year after year to fund this welfare state.

  10. j r January 18, 2010 at 11:35 am

    for the most part i dig this blog, but i’ve got to call bullshit on this post. if you don’t want to take part in the rat race that’s your prerogative, but don’t pretend like it’s some damning indictment on the whole country. it’s a pretty sweeping generalization to say that people work hard or take shit just to accumulate baubles. some people work hard to provide for their families, put food on the table, educate their children, and so on. and if some guy wants to sit on his couch and watch a football game or a movie on a plasma TV, so what?

    also, you should realize that your ability to “drop out” of the rat race is only made possible by the fact that there is a rat race in the first place. without all those people working forty plus hours a week you wouldn’t be able to live the way you live. in economic terms, you’re a free rider. does that make you a bad person? no. in one way or another we are all free riders. we all live lives made possible by the hard work of someone else. and that should at least make you think twice before dismissing the very things that make your life possible.

  11. The Rookie January 18, 2010 at 11:58 am

    I agree with this when it comes to women. I disagree though w/the pursuit of $$. Isn’t it hot in Brazil w/out an AC unit? Is it so bad to want to work extra for more comforts in life? Is it fair to judge our parents and grandparents because they wanted to provide more comforts for us? I don’t think so. Especially of those who went through the Great Depression, something that the rest of us never experienced. None of us experienced unemployment facing starvation, homelessness, and lacking all of the comforts that today’s unemployed still have if they haven’t been evicted. That kind of desperation led my grandpa, who studied economics in college, to STILL keep money stashed under his mattress. It’s the kind of desperation that my own dad grew up in, where he ate the bones of chickens because there wasn’t much else to eat. And yeah, he worked extra long hours so me and my mom and siblings wouldn’t have to do the same thing. God knows I don’t want to work the amount of hours my dad worked (and still works) but I can’t pass judgment on him or anyone else who puts in extra work to gain the comforts we can purchase. Stuff we take for granted, like cruise control in cars. My grandpa told me of how they’d take 14 hour trips w/out it back in the day. Is it wrong to work extra so you can fly somewhere instead? This is a surprising post from someone who’s visited other countries where people work long hours just to have enough money to eat.

    Look at superstar athletes, rappers, and others who put in hard work just to get out of the hell-hole they were in. Emmitt Smith grew up eating ketchup and mustard packs for dinner! And yet working as hard as he did at the one skill he knew is somehow wrong? Come on man. Hating on those who take advantage of the opportunities this country affords? What about immigrants, who work 2 jobs just to send money back to their families in poorer countries like Mexico? Or those who work extra hard to take care of those with life-long medical issues like down-syndrome, autism, or someone who’s suffered a serious head injury? Are you pretending to know the experiences in peoples’ lives that pushed them to working harder?

    I’m not pretending to know how you grew up, but I wonder if you’re taking a lot of stuff for granted. I’ll use myself as an example though. I grew up in a place w/out public transportation. So a car was necessary, necessary, if I wanted to go to college, which was 30 mins away. My first car was a piece of shit. The windows kept falling down, especially when it was raining. The heater stopped working in the winter. Hmmm… work harder to get a better car? Duh. I couldn’t just get by on a laptop, especially when I couldn’t afford one at the time. Work longer so I could afford one? Duh. My point is that people have all kinds of motivations for working harder to get that extra $$. You might not have those motivations, but to hate on those who do in such a general way just isn’t fair.

  12. URF January 18, 2010 at 11:58 am

    #9: “People like me are tired of paying higher taxes year after year to fund this welfare state.”

    What welfare state? You pay higher taxes year after year to fund a trillion $ plus war among other things.

    Everyone works hard, and nothing is for free. You’re already paying for emergency rooms that have to serve people without health insurance.

    The employer-based heath insurance system hasn’t worked. It helped bankrupt GM, and moreover families who work very hard, work full-time jobs, etc can’t afford their private insurance plans. And their employers cannot afford to provide it for them anymore either.

    “Oh this is so bad, this sucks, poor them, but lets give them free stuff. All that does is make them expect more in the future, there not held accountable for their actions.

    Sounds like you’re talking about bankers.

  13. mulhollanddriven January 18, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Women’s entitlement in America is beyond ludicrous. I don’t care what any of them want anymore. It is irrelevant and pointless.

    It’s funny reading the females get angry in the comments. They just know deep down what cunts they are.

  14. mulhollanddriven January 18, 2010 at 12:07 pm


    Great post. Especially the part about crybaby banker bitches looking for a handout. They lined up with their hands out faster than Ol Dirty Bastard in line for food stamps.

    I don’t remember the last time the crackhead down the street that gets food stamps gave herself a million dollar bonus.

  15. Virgle Kent January 18, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    AWWWWWWW SHITTTTT, I guessing this post gets at least 60 comments!

    @ #7. And how do you know Roosh and this girl aren’t dating right now still together and happy?

  16. Virgle Kent January 18, 2010 at 12:09 pm


    I know the haters are gunning

  17. URF January 18, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    “The Western culture has broken the women.”

    I’d think you’d have more pity for them. You know that the same could be said about the men

    We’re all in the same boat.

  18. Chris January 18, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    The “typical BS’ guy is typical of a person with average to low intelligence waxing about a complex subject that he/she knows nothing about, other than what he/she is taught to think. Its a shame that that is representative of the majority of the voters in the USA. Its ironic that he criticizes the intelligence of Roosh.

    Here’s some cursory education. Just look at the human development index, which is the only real measure of the quality of life in each country. The USA is 13. Most of the 12 countries ahead of us have free health care. This is only one, albeit a large one, of the ways in which their societies are better run than ours. Your a complete idiot if you think that so called “free health care” takes out of your pocket more than it puts in, in terms of preventing poverty, crime and other societal malaise that affects your wallet and quality of life. Saving your social services dollar, by not applying it toward socialized healthcare, is precisely like biting off your nose to spite your face.

    Go get some real education on the subject, policy expert. Fucking idiot.

  19. phoenix January 18, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    This post reflects exactly what I have been seeing around me day by day in the US and why I am planning to live overseas indefinitely.

    Roosh you really knocked this one out of the park, don’t listen to the haters and keep up the great work!

  20. Typical BS January 18, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    #12: Yes we payer higher taxes because of the war, I agree. Your the delusional type who’s argument against free health care is to change the subject to the war.

    Get over it, we are in the war, we have been in the war, and it will eventually end. Both democratic and republican Presidents have agreed that we cant get out now. Your point of bringing up the war when I’m talking about health care is not valid.

    “The employer-based heath insurance system hasn’t worked. It helped bankrupt GM.”

    The unions, who gave the GM workers insane control, along with failed business practices, such as faulty loan practices in GMAC, helped the failure of GM. The big corporations like GM are going to be the ones being taxed the most to pay for everyones “free” health care.

    “moreover families who work very hard, work full-time jobs, etc can’t afford their private insurance plans. And their employers cannot afford to provide it for them anymore either.”

    So you are going to tax the people and the already hurting companies, who cant afford to provide insurance for their employees, more? How is that going to work.

    Yes, the system is broke but there has to be other ways to improve it. Some people still say we have the best health care system in the world. If this is the way, in the long run the national debt will soar causing us to start all over again.

  21. Paul January 18, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Seriously Roosh, this is a great post.

    Everyone who doesn’t agree with you is stupid.

    oh. and fuck american women – god has a special place in hell for them

    the end

  22. CC January 18, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    This was high-level complaining. And poignant too, including the part about mom.

  23. wayfarer January 18, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Here’s some cursory education. Just look at the human development index, which is the only real measure of the quality of life in each country. The USA is 13. Most of the 12 countries ahead of us have free health care. This is only one, albeit a large one, of the ways in which their societies are better run than ours.

    GDP, while not a direct measure of anything real or meaningful, does tend to follow quality of life related indices with predictable certainty. Living in a country with a lot of money actually does mean that you tend to be happier. This is not meant to be in support of the american lifestyle, but social services are not the panacea that you’ve been led to believe. Money matters. Shit.

  24. Brandon January 18, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    One thing I have to say about the whole americans working a lot. I work A LOT. Some weeks I work 60 hours a week. My job is pretty chill though. I also fill in for people all the time when they can´t work because I want to make that dough. The reason I work like this though is so that I can work for 9 months and spend 3 months traveling and doing whatever the hell I want to do without worrying about work or anything else, just having fun. I almost work all night shifts, during the day I spend most of my time snowboarding, which I love to do and keeps me sain while working the long hours during the week. For me, this is fine. I don´t mind working the long hours because it keeps me from spending money that I would like to save to travel. And I´m also doing my favorite thing in the world during the day. My days consist of snowboarding, which is almost always an awesome adventure, whether learning a new trick that day or riding in waist deep powder. I get done riding, hop in the shower, and go to work for 8-10 hours sitting in the back of the office half the time watching movies or hanging out on the internet. On the weekends when I dont have to work, I go out on the town with friends, find something fun to do or women to meet, and repeat the process until I have enough money to go on a 3 month vacation. This lifestyle is alright with me.

  25. Typical BS January 18, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Chris a more valid argument for your HDI rankings is it has a 95% correlation rate with the rankings on average income. Not your argument of, some of the top countries have free health care. Cutting in to peoples income by taxing more will hurt your “rankings.”

    There is no possible way a trillion dollar bill can save people money. If he is going to cut other programs that are useless. Then he should do it now, and quit using these useless government policies for ammunition to pass his political agenda.

    Hes playing politics with people like Chris, who just don’t get that there is not an unlimited supply of money.

    [editor: i removed some unnecessary language. tone it down]

  26. The G Manifesto January 18, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Excellent post.

    This is exactly why I read this blog, I have many of the same thoughts, but I could never write about them this well.

    What was Denmark Guys reaction to all this? Asleep? Shock? Agreement? Just nodding and rolling up a jay?

    “then you see the woman going on 40, working hard at the gym, desperately trying to fight the sag, bragging that she fucked this college guy.”

    Don’t forget going under the knife for the 50th time.

    “I don’t know what I’m going to do.”

    Don’t worry about it, your doing it.

    – MPM

    The G Manifesto’s last blog post: How to Swoop 100 Fly Girls Per Year.

  27. The G Manifesto January 18, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    “I have had several people in Northern Europe ask me why I left America, because they would love to be able to live over there.”

    America is the greatest marketing hustle ever created.

    – MPM

    The G Manifesto’s last blog post: How to Swoop 100 Fly Girls Per Year.

  28. Typical BS January 18, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    By the way, my argument isn’t against what most of Roosh said. I like the post in general. All I have issue with is the free health care part. Most guys get up set because of the entitlement girls feel they have. Well what about all these people who get every aspect of their lives given to them at the expense of others.

  29. Travel bug January 18, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Bravo Roosh. This one goes in the hall of fame.

    ‘If you were leaving back to America right now, I’d come with you. I’d take a chance and do it.’”

    Green card bitches!!!

  30. Gio January 18, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    This is one of the things that happens when you leave your comfort zone and go live in another country for a few months…you really start to question your life, your future, your purpose, everything…then after a few hours of that you see a gorgeous girl with a tight body…and BAM!…everything falls into place again… you realize exactly what you should be doing….HER!

  31. Jake January 18, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    This American life – aside from the women part – is life pretty much everywhere. Life in Brazil sucks for the majority too. Life in Denmark as well.

    In fact, Americans have it pretty good compared to most of the rest of the world, including Europe. Life is more fun, exciting, and vital here, and less encumbered.

    The bad things you described are what life is like everywhere in the world for the average Joe – or rather, life in most places, including rich countries, is much, much worse.

    You have managed to put yourself in a special position by going to another country and figuring out a way to make money online – thats fantastic. Most Brazillains have lives that suck worse than anything you had to deal with in the States.

    Im not questioning your description of the average American life nor your choice to get away from it – youre just under an illusion if you think thats typically American and that other people in other places have it better, and you need to realize that 99% of the population couldn:t do what you do.

    Finally, as you mature youll realize that for most people, a life of unexciting material comfort based around hard work with security is actually the most satisfying thing for them. Its a romantic myth to imagine that everyone secretly craves – or could emotionally handle – a life of instability and adventure.

    Im with you, Roosh, Id choose your lifetyle in a heartbeat – but I know enough by now to realize that most people wouldnt even if they had a choice, and that the average person is worse off in most parts of the world.

    Finally, American girls really arent that bad – I keep on hearing these descriptions of American girls on Game blogs and it just doesnt resonate. Sure, SOME girls are like that, but many, many arent – what gives? I wonder if girls are cooler where I live – NYC, although I seriously doubt it, or is it just that Game people are often deep down, not that good with women and so get to see the bad side much more often?

  32. Typical BS January 18, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    What kind of censorship is this. You can edit out the cursing I used but don’t edit out other parts I wrote. By the way, I got called a fucking idiot in post 12. That wasn’t edited. I like the blog and usually think its ridiculous to argue like this but felt like saying something today. Whats up with the biased censorship though?

  33. InterestedParty January 18, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Sorry bro, but I think you need to count your blessings a bit more.

    Look out your windows at those favellas, and I’m sure plenty of those guys would LOVE the opportunity to “work like a fucking mule”. It’s easy to criticize knowing you can hop on a plane and be back in your parents’ comfortable home (which he no doubt worked like a “fucking mule” for) in day.

  34. URF January 18, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    “Get a 9-5?”

    Good point. But now it’s an 8-7, at least. I don’t think anyone’s worked a 9-5 since the 1950’s.

  35. speakeasy January 18, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    I don’t think there’s anywhere in the world were it’s possible for most to escape the rat race. Somebody has to keep the infrastructure running. Being able to unplug from the matrix so to speak and disappear into months of extended travel yet live a fully comfortable life is an option few have access to, even if they wanted it. Just enjoy your privilege and be glad everyone else is back home working hard, otherwise you’d have nothing to return to.

    Some places like France may be better with 30 hour work weeks, universal health care and long paid holiday. On the other hand, most the world lives pretty shitty. Think of the Bolivian miners you saw who will be dead by 50 with their cheeks stuffed with coco leaves looking like hamsters because getting high all day is the only way they can make it through their miserable existence. Most the world is hustling for peanuts and would damn near sell their kid into slavery for the chance to live in America or anywhere in the west.

    I can resonate with your complaints about America work/rat race culture, but still. It’s hard to feel like I have anything serious to complain about just looking at what’s now going on in Haiti. Or at least my complaints would sound spoiled and trivial compared to the complaints 80% of this planet has.

  36. Bravo January 18, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Bravo, my friend. You really are seeing the world for what it is plus I respect your blog more than Roissy’s because you think in higher terms. He wants the girls you can get in 3 hours but you realized there’s something better, that sex is beyond physical. You talk about women needing men as a good thing, which I agree with. American culture has a big problem. I came from Lebanon and Germany just a week ago and I already feel it. The work obsession, the fear of offending people by talking about religion and race and beliefs, where all lines are becoming blurred and we treat each other almost like robot and not like individuals. Mostly I admire your way of thinking because you talk about having a family one day (Roissy doesn’t) which I think is great and really a much bigger challenge and more fulfilling than getting laid constantly. I don’t gave a family and I’m single but I’m more interested in following your path than the other brainless people who just follow their dicks. Some day I’m leaving this country, hopefully back to Lebanon. God be with you.

    1. Roosh January 18, 2010 at 4:52 pm

      3: Maybe you should offer your counter-argument to my points instead of suggesting blind pride, which will not solve America’s problems.

      7: Read more carefully. “And that’s real, because the nature of a woman is she needs a man. These girls here understand that. They don’t hide it, and I don’t punish them for it. ”

      10: Not this tired argument again. Yes while living in Brazil I’m using the internet which was created by hard working Americans and therefore I’m a free rider. And I’m also using credit cards which is is technology created by rat race workers and therefore I’m a blight on the sytem. It doesn’t matter that I’m paying (i.e. overpaying) for the privilege. In fact any human being who goes to a supermarket, uses an electronic product, or doesn’t live in a yurt is a mooch on society. I pay American taxes on my earnings even though I don’t live there. Yeah I’m a sponge.

      My guess is you or your family members have had government assistance (or work for the government), and your comment is a way of dealing with some hidden shame.

  37. Bishop January 18, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Roosh, I generally like your stuff, but this is crap. There’s a fine line between trying to convince readers that your life is a good one and being a sanctimonious bastard. This post is nowhere near the line – you’re so far on the side of sanctimony that I, as someone who lives the lifestyle you do, am embarrassed to read it.

    Artists in general like to talk about how they avoid the rat race and so on, but the fact of the matter is that if all you’re producing is aesthetic, then you’re relying on the rest of society to produce non-aesthetic value.

    Of course everyone who uses a supermarket or the internet didn’t create supermarkets or the internet. But you’re LOOKING DOWN on people who do so, while at the same using the products created by said people.

    Art can be created anywhere in the world. You can write your book while sitting in a crap-filled outhouse in Bombay. I’m a published author and I haven’t had a salaried job in 4 years. It’s a fantastic lifestyle. I could live the Walden lifestyle or I could go move down to Brazil. Most people can’t. Their skills are technical, industrial, financial, or otherwise tied to cooperative work that demands organization, structure, and routine.

    I respect that distinction. You don’t.

  38. Bravo January 18, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    After reading the comments I remember what’s wrong with America. it’s people like BS who are ok with the war just because “it’s happening” and against healthcare because it takes his hard work and blah blah… snap out of it! You just think of yourself. Can you think about others? It’s just like the women Roosh talking about, feeling weak if you let yourself care about someone else or admit that you care about them. Can you admit that you care about the Afghanis? Or the Iraqis? Can you look a poor uninsured and sick American in the face and tell him that you want him to get better? Or tell a Palestinian that you want him to be free and live a decent life? If you could then you wouldn’t use money to justify all your decisions. If you were smarter, you’d even realize that we’d be a wealthier and healthier country if we stopped the wars and gave healthcare to all our citizens. Too bad, I think we’ll all go blue in the face before you understand.

  39. retired backpacker January 18, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    I think there’s a lot of truth in this…but I also think that the whole intense living for your job etc is slowly spreading around the world.

    When I was living in Rio, my coworkers stayed at work till 7 or 8 pm. You can also see a growing consumerism and materialism in the Brazilian middle class. It’s all about swag and nice cars. Tourists come to Brazil and hang out at the beach and go to Rio Scenarium a few times and thing that’s all there is to Brazil.

    Obviously when you talk, I think you might be referring to your specific lifestyle, namely bartending, writing and travel. It’s a cool life for sure and if that floats your boat, then cheers… I stopped traveling because my parents were getting older and I didn’t want to be too far away to drive home. I’m a little shocked how quickly I adapted to the creature comforts…

  40. Typical BS January 18, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Bravo: Who said I was okay with the war? I cant do anything about the war now, can I. No matter which of the 2 political parties we could choose to vote in office (lets be honest we have a 2 party system, there is something wrong with that) neither one changed much about the war. You can’t come on here saying you remember whats wrong with America because people like me are okay with the war. Thats false assumptions. Wake up man, the war is going on tell me how me and you are going to stop it. I’m ready.

    I’m thinking of other people when I say we shouldn’t have to give more of our paycheck to everyone else. I’m also thinking of other people hoping the 40% of my paycheck that goes to the government goes to good use. I hope there using that money to benefit others in need, not for there political agendas. Quit drinking the kool-aid. Politicians are already wasting billions of dollars a year of our money.

    What is your basis for America being a wealthier country with free health care? Tell me how thats going to work.

  41. Crow January 18, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Excellent post, working constantly for material items is no way to live. Better to live off very little and work rarely.

    Maybe you should try out the hobo lifestyle? There’s some pretty hot homeless girls.. haha

  42. Ondi January 18, 2010 at 6:15 pm


    I was born in the states and was raised there and now I live in another country similar to Brazil. I have lived in many places and trust me everything is the same. I have been to Brazil and have met many Brazilians and trust me the chase after money, celebrity, etc like the rest of the world. Your rant is basically acting like you are different to your american friends but right now there is a Brazilian writing the same blog post saying that the U.S. is wonderful and everything Brasil shit. Get off your high horse and stop judging the world and look into yourself.

  43. Lindsey Abelard January 18, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    First, I agree with the post that returning to the U.S. to work a 9-to-5, just to get saddled up with the home mortgage, the payments on the expensive cars, and the college tuition for the 2.1 kids is simply not a sane choice. This is especially true if you have enough money saved up to live for the rest of your life on a tropical beach somewhere.

    If you are living internationally (meaning outside the U.S.), one does not return to the U.S. to live the conventional life cycle life style. This is irrational. One returns to the U.S. IF and ONLY IF there is a real opportunity, like a start-up with stock options or a comparable career job. Otherwise, I would think the “lonely planet/Fred Reed” option would be more desirable.

    However, the rest of the complaint does not make sense at all. I lived in Asia for 10 years. During that time, I met many European people who had come to Asia to start businesses. The reason is because Europe, in general is even more business and opportunity unfriendly than the U.S. Thus, any European wanting opportunity had to go to Asia to pursue it. So, the criticism of the U.S. as lacking opportunity compared to the rest of the world does not make sense at all.

    The point is that these complaints about the U.S. are equally true for any other part of the world as well. There is no reason to single out the U.S. with regards to this.

    About the women, the real problem here is the aging process itself. We all know that aging sucks. Since the conventional medical community considers it to be politically incorrect to research aging and to develop effective anti-aging therapies to get rid of it, there are private organizations from outside the medical milieu that have emerged in order to accomplish this task.





  44. FOC January 18, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    I know what you can do, you can join Manhood101.com, help us retrain girls and fight feminism.

  45. virgle Kent January 18, 2010 at 10:46 pm


    “I was born in the states and was raised there and now I live in another country similar to Brazil”

    Ladies and gentlemen this might be the weakest hate ever… posting fake stories, a real hater would have just put the fucking country they now live in. Jesus

  46. speakeasy January 18, 2010 at 11:18 pm


    Lol, I was kind of wondering about that myself. Now Canada is similar to America and Sweden is Similar to Norway, and New Zealand is similar to Australia, but where is there a country similar to Brazil? It’s like saying, “I live in a country similar to Israel”.

  47. StrikeforceMorituri January 18, 2010 at 11:22 pm


    By far one of your better posts, really heartfelt and very similiar to what I have told people when I lived in Iceland. I don’t hate on my country but to be honest I’m tired of It’s BS, Working the 9-5 for nothing more than money is depressing, dealing with women that do nothing creative at all but feel entitled to tell you whats wrong with your life are a dime a dozen here. I live in Seattle and and your statement “Because of course the culture gave them this sense of entitlement as well, to think that with mediocre looks and ten extra pounds they can get a hot stud like they see in the magazines in line at the grocery store.” I mean women here really believe that shit. I A gree with you when you get back the first month will be cool, but by the second you’ll be wishing you never came back.

    StrikeforceMorituri’s last blog post: Daydreamer………...

  48. John Smith January 18, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Nice, but try saying that to the one legged beggar whose kids depend on him or they’ll starve.

    As an expat it’s easy to hate on your home country where you couldn’t make it, but 50,000 kids die every day from, and I’m sure plenty of them would like nothing more than to switch places with you.

    Hate America all you want, but who is the one bailing out Haiti right now? Do you want to move there?

    Do you want to move to Europe where you’ll be discriminated against because you look like an Arab?

    John Smith’s last blog post: HBD denialism kills.

  49. Anonymous January 19, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Good post.

    I wish I could write like that.

    If any Native Hawaiians are reading this take note:

    The USA is weak in a whole lot of ways right now.

    Since the Islands were illegally occupied over 100 years ago, there has never been a better time to get out from under this mainland bullshit.

    Americans don’t even want to be Americans anymore. Why are we paying for their fat asses to self destruct?

    Start by placing your name:

  50. Kona January 19, 2010 at 12:31 am

    I meant to post a link to http://www.kauinoa.org in post #50 above.

    I’m not very good with computers.


  51. TAllagash January 19, 2010 at 12:55 am

    it’s not “hate” per se. just not sipping the kool-aid that working a job is some meaningful existence, or that buying stuff will fill the void you feel any time you’re not exhausted from said job/work/life/requirements/taxes. great post Roosh. the people taking it personal and getting all defensive are the insomniacs that Hemingway wrote of…..but they don’t know the lack of meaning is their insomnia.

    TAllagash’s last blog post: Sands of Time/Experience.

  52. Paul January 19, 2010 at 2:04 am

    #42 Crow must be retarded.

    Your time is priceless- it has no dollar value.

    You can’t guarantee your time, your life.

    Once its gone, you’re dead, over, finished.

    Rather spend my time than trade it in for some piece of garbage $$.

    Sure you need something to survive, but you don’t have to throw away 40 hours a week to be “cool”

  53. speakeasy January 19, 2010 at 4:05 am

    “The European nations are giving 500 million.

    USA is giving 100 million.”

    But there are how many nations in Europe combined?

  54. Eric January 19, 2010 at 7:55 am

    I can understand where a lot of your frustrations originate but I have to disagree on a fundamental level with some of the conclusions you’ve drawn. There are complaints to be made about the perceived American lifestyle (grinding out the week for money to buy plasma TVs, etc.) for sure, but that lifestyle is certainly a choice for anyone who lives it. I know plenty of people in Austin making their living through their passions and I’d assume that they acknowledge a trade-off between material success and genuine daily satisfaction.

    I’d argue that it’s a lot easier to pursue your passion in the US as opposed to the developing world, where access to financing is much more scarce. Every dollar that flows into a playwright’s pocket or a painter’s pocket or a stand-up comedian’s pocket comes from the consumption machine. I’ve lived in and traveled extensively in the ‘developing world’ and for many people in these areas it’s unthinkable that they could survive as a poet or whatever — there’s simply no money to provide for that lifestyle.

  55. Paul January 19, 2010 at 8:38 am

    God Bless you Roosh for writing such a sick post

  56. j r January 19, 2010 at 10:10 am


    “Not this tired argument again…”

    there may be plenty of people who dismiss you and your lifestyle, and call you a sponge. i am not one of them. my comment was simply pointing out a fact, that you are a free rider. i also said that doesn’t make you a bad person and that we are all free riders.

    my contention is with your post and not with the life you lead. it’s one thing to drop out of the rat race, it’s another to be glib and dismiss everyone who doesn’t make the same choices you make. you titled the post ‘what’s wrong with america’ without acknowledging that america is one of the relatively few countries from which you can be and do what you’re doing.

  57. URF January 19, 2010 at 10:46 am

    “you titled the post ‘what’s wrong with america’ without acknowledging that america is one of the relatively few countries from which you can be and do what you’re doing.”

    It’s also one of the few countries where you can freely express thoughts, and yes, criticism like this without needing to apologize for it, qualification, counting blessings, etc etc

    So really, no one needs to wring their hands about this post, unless…it’s making you defensive about YOUR lifestyle…

  58. mitzi January 19, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Why are some of you so bitter? Sometimes I read this blog to get an insight into the male mind and it’s just grim. There are plenty of loving, humble women who would genuinely like to make a man happy but have probably have had their confidence knocked by men out to use them and who may well find themselves single at 30. It’s not because they have a great sense of “entitlement” -certainly not as much as you do..So they get 30 to and want to make the most of themselves and keep in shape and make the best of themselves..What’s wrong with that? Do you just want them to crawl under a rock and die???

  59. dick goodnuts January 19, 2010 at 11:58 am

    There are some poignant points that I picked up on; namely women refusing to acknowledge needing men, the reluctance of Americans to embrace exercise and somewhat healthy lifestyles and the ability to move in and out of countries while living a low cost lifestyle.

    I really appreciate the openness of your writing. Open disclosure of your economic struggles indicate to me that you are doing more than ‘chasing tail’. I get that you are looking for the meaning of life.

    I once shared many of your feelings. One day I decided to get married and settle down. Wife, kids, overpriced Fairfax County suburban loft, SUV, plasma tv, all of the trappings. What changed for me was in-fact my ability to find someone that really matched up with my needs. It helped guide my life plans. I look up and see that I’m now alot like most 30-something Americans but once you actually begin to wear the lifestyle, like most things, it ain’t that bad. The important thing is to make sure that you have someone who supports your interests and visa-versa. Don’t settle—because you don’t have to!

    You are the only person who can control your satisfaction. Women and kids can either add or subtract from that happiness, but ultimately its your life to live. I applaud your spirit of discovery.

    I hope that this journey leads you to a place of happiness, understanding and personal growth.

    dick goodnuts’s last blog post: The definition of cool.

  60. solled January 19, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    sure we’ve got problems here in america: unhappiness, depression, stress, obesity, consumerism, etc. but what’s the solution? granted the first step is recognizing that we’ve got a problem and popularizing it, and I like this post for that reason. You could go further and start a crusade to make it your mission to tell as many people as possible. But even better would be to think long and hard about what would be a solution that will work on a mass scale and popularize it (start a movement, write a book). You’re not the first one to recognize the problem, but no one has come up with a good alternative. We are in this situation by having a way of life that for the most part solves the problems of poverty, illness, crime, hard labor, racism, oppression, etc. and that’s why most of the world wants to come to america. But if you could come up with a better alternative, let’s hear it!

  61. solled January 19, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    as dick goodnuts said having a kid really puts perspective and meaning into you life and keeps you grounded (in a good way). worked for me.

    you say, “Nature is a powerful thing, and youâ��ll always lose when you go against it.” Well for most of us our nature is to have a routine and some level of predictability. sure we crave adventure and the unknown, but there must be a balance.

    A side thought: just as having access to unlimited food has made america fat because we are not designed to do well in an environment where food is everywhere, maybe the same can be said about pussy. we didn’t evolve under conditions with plentiful access to new women. Perhaps overconsuming wrt girls “goes against our nature” and causes problems too.

  62. Gio January 19, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    I find it funny that this post gets over 60 comments , but the recent posts about “Meeting girls without approaching” and “getting phone numbers get around 20 comments. I think guys aren’t really serious about getting girls, its just the “philosophy” of the month that they are “trying out”…to see if it can fill the “void”. Most guys get more exited to discuss the “problems of the usa”. I made a decision a few years ago that i don’t care about figuring out the ways of the world or the nature of man. I care more about the nature of women! if you know what i mean…

  63. boston66 January 19, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Roosh you have to remember the youth. Today in Mass, we have a special election for a new Senator. I went on facebook to see if anyone mentioned it… Nope nothing 18 -23 year olds don’t give a fck. Its pethetic that that attitude is accepted any encouraged from MTV and dumb Reality shows. It really is cool not to care. BTW I’m 21 and I work the fat race

  64. Roar Savage January 19, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    That was my first reaction, too, Travel Bug (#29)! — She wants a Green Card, for sure! No offense, Roosh. I’m sure she liked you for your personality, too.

    Roar Savage’s last blog post: This Week Kind of Sucks.

    1. Roosh January 19, 2010 at 4:52 pm

      Saying she needs a green card is cheap. This assumes she’s a favela girl, poor, and not educated. I included her comment, which I didn’t take 100% literally, to highlight the differences between American and Brazilian girls. If I really told her to come to the u.s. with me I’m sure she wouldn’t do it.

      Jay: I’m referring to living in a place for a short time (“semi-transient”). Building roots and then just leaving to do the same somewhere else is very shallow. You don’t dig deep enough, though it is 10 times deeper than backpacking. I’ll have to pick a place eventually.

  65. Jay Gatsby January 19, 2010 at 4:37 pm


    Not hating. Just curious. How does this post reconcile with what you posted as a comment on VK’s blog a little while back?

    “Hitting 30 has got me thinking too. I got a year or two of being a semi-transient transient left in me and then I’m going to pick a place to live and build roots. You can only live a shallow life for so long until you start to feel shallow yourself.”

  66. Roar Savage January 19, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    And one more thought: Of course women need men. But what about men needing women? Lately American culture has popularized the perma-Frat pack (exhibit A: movies like Golden Globe-winning The Hangover), seeming to suggest that that responsibility is for chumps; that love is something that will be there for you when you’re finally ready for it at 50 – with some hot 20 year old; and finally, that men only need women for sex. I’m not knocking that basic human need. But women (like men) can give more than that, too. I’d like to see a post from you on what else you think *men* need *women* for – what would make *you* hold a *woman* tighter at night.

    Roar Savage’s last blog post: This Week Kind of Sucks.

  67. John January 19, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    sounds like you’re maturing

  68. John Smith January 19, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    “The European nations are giving 500 million.

    USA is giving 100 million.”

    But there are how many nations in Europe combined?

    Hmmm, have you ever heard of private donations? I guess not, in Europe they expect the government to do everything.

    Seriously Roosh, you have to really think about why you dislike the US so much while so many people who you meet will love to switch places with you. your “freethinking” musing are the product of the critical thinking and creative focused American education system.

    John Smith’s last blog post: HBD denialism kills.

  69. Mirabeau January 19, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Don’t get me wrong I believe the government should provide free health care for its citizens

    Only because you’re a bum who will never actually have to pay for it.

  70. speakeasy January 19, 2010 at 11:57 pm


    “Only because you’re a bum who will never actually have to pay for it.”

    By that logic, every country in Europe as well as Japan and Israel consists of bums.

  71. The G Manifesto January 20, 2010 at 2:33 am

    It is interesting that people are so “thrown off” by an American wanting to live abroad.

    News just in: This has been going on for a while.

    See: The “Lost Generation”, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest Hemingway, T. S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, and Gertrude Stein for some historical examples.

    – MPM

    The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Old-School G Move Week: Give Back to The People.

  72. Andy January 20, 2010 at 5:49 am

    I think you’re overestimating the number of Americans who live that sort of lifestyle and the degree to which it is unique to America. The lifestyle you describe could accurately apply to what I witnessed living in yuppieland in DC and its ‘burbs, but not so much what I saw growing up in rural Alabama. Perhaps that’s the direction everyone’s headed, but we’re not all there yet.
    As to my latter point, I’ve lived abroad for almost eight years. The race for money to fuel conspicuous consumption is run everywhere I’ve ever lived (especially in London, where I’ve been the last three years). Perhaps its America-led but it’s just not unique.

  73. URF January 20, 2010 at 7:22 am

    “I think you’re overestimating the number of Americans who live that sort of lifestyle”


    “Perhaps that’s the direction everyone’s headed, but we’re not all there yet.”

    Unemployment is around 20%. The party’s over. Circuit City went out of business for a reason. The days of free credit and conspicuous consumption are over (at least for the masses)

    It’s good that Roosh already lives in Brazil, because THAT is where we’re currently headed: massive economic disparity, the wealthy bunkered in secure enclaves, etc.

  74. downtown January 21, 2010 at 10:16 am


    A normal girl is self-conscious the first time because it’s the first time with that particular guy, or because she is worried about her performance?

  75. Nacirema January 21, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    I don’t agree with all of this post, but the fact that it is partly true is enough.

    I was an American Soldier, supporting that lifestyle for millions back in the States while they barely noticed we were dying in a third-world country. They were to busy watching American Idol. What makes it worse is the fact that the people who do notice often notice all the wrong things. It kills me to no end when people have this idea that all we did over there is abuse Iraqis. I put a year worth of blood, sweat, tears and sleepless nights to protect the people in the neigborhood I resided in…and they thanked us for it when we left.

    I came back to a United States that was more worried about Brad and Jen.

    If Colombia was in a war with Bolivia, would Colombians be more worried about what their celeberties were doing, or what was happening with their soldiers in that war?

    There is little national pride in the U.S. especially in the urban areas and that lack of pride results in postings like yours, which sadly ring true. Its really a shame.

    Now I do the same thing as you. I got back to the States from South America in the middle of December and this place really aint for me right now. I will be going back to live in Lima again for a few months. I’d rather not have it rubbed in my face every day that my friends died so that Americans can waste their lives on the fantasies they are told to want.

    I’m not saying South America doesn’t have it’s own issues, in some ways it is much worse (clasismo, the piss poor economy). I just like to explore all of my options fully, so that is what I am doing. I still love my country for what it can allow a person to be, if they so choose to be it.

    I also must say that while I do agree (in some cases) with what you say about American women, it’s not entirely their fault and they can be snapped out of it by the right individual with the right intentions. Many men in the States act like fucking wimps, because of lousy social programing, so American women often don’t know any better than to act the way they do.

    Living the Nacirema Dream.

  76. Roosh January 21, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Nacirema I hate to say you and your friends fought in vain, but do you really think the American way of life would be different if we didn’t invade Afghanistan or Iraq? Do you think the country would have been “defeated” or conquered?

    I don’t see how your efforts there made us safer. Instead I think the wars were a waste and your time would have been better spent banging more broads.

    “If Colombia was in a war with Bolivia, would Colombians be more worried about what their celeberties were doing, or what was happening with their soldiers in that war?”

    Colombia is not at war right now (full-scale, anyway) and they still don’t give a shit about celebrities. America is a special place indeed.

  77. Tribeca January 22, 2010 at 1:58 am

    Once outside the States you certainly have sharper observations skills on the problems that face the country. In a way you become a better sociologist because you are faced with the glaring differences between your old home and new home. I too am first generation American which helps to make you painfully aware about American culture as you see first hand your parents struggle to navigate it.

    I live in Armenia now. Sometimes I look at news from the US and I think what the hell is going on. From the absurdity of the rat race to the fat cats lining their pockets with freshly minted Wall St. bonus coin. It does, from afar, all seem backwards.

    But of course there is still much good at home. And it way too easy when living abroad to vilify the old place and glorify the new, especially if were prone vilifying the old place before you even left.

    When you come back live in a small city like Portland, Maine. Men and women there are active, attractive, and boast a high quality of life. It has a thriving, creative culture. People are liberal doers there. They make their own bio fuel instead of bitching about the environment. Anyway, do your research, enjoyable diverse American communities exist. At the very least forget places dominated by a one industry rat race culture (DC, NY, LA). They are bound to drive you insane.

    As for your comments about American women and their complex with expressing neediness. Astute, but I must second the former soldier’s note above who writes “many men in the states act like fucking wimps”. I am a woman in my mid twenties who has lived in DC, NY, San Francisco, Chennai, and London but now being in Armenia (as well as in small little Georgia to the north) I have been shocked by the men in this country. They radiate confidence and wanting to protect and take care of women. All of them do. This is in part to some “old world” culture, but it also has something to do with geopolitical instability of the region. It’s second nature to them to be strong and want to protect women. Maybe it’s just that men here don’t have the option to dress in tight jeans, sing Vampire Weekend, and sip their PBR. They are not effeminate. They are men.

    But culture rarely fully permeates borders. On weekday mornings in neighboring Russia men in Moscow walk around aimlessly, drunk on vodka. Many are fully dependent on their wives. The women in Russia, though many are more beautiful then Americans, fit the bill well for being labeled “whores”.

    Also, a while back you wrote that you no longer read female authors. If you can get your hands on it, try the book Old Filth.

  78. Jonathan January 22, 2010 at 2:29 pm


    You’re not escaping the rat race. You are just far ahead of most of the rats in the race, and giving us sight of what is ahead of us. Your lifestyle travel is just extreme tourism, and extreme tourists are the advanced scouts for mainstream tourists. This has been a trend for decades, it is how previously remote places end up becoming safe enough to become trendy and then become played out places for parasitic westerners to spend the surplus that is generated by working their asses of 8 – 7, 5 days a week.

    Consumption — which you are doing, and which you are a pioneer, creating new possibilities… is a necessary component of the production Rat Race.

    You advance the interests of the system regardless what you do.

  79. Consul January 22, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    You dont know what to do? fuck who the hell knows what they want? Im in college and I still dont know what to study(and I had been asking that question to myself since 3rd grade). I figured out the best way is not to worry about it, it will come to you. just make sure you dont miss it when it comes.

  80. Jordan January 22, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    WOW!! I love this post very inspirational.

  81. kingkong January 22, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    The USA is just another country with its own set of problems, quirks, and advantages. I don’t understand how people can travel and make these impassioned sweeping assessments of the US. It’s not so different from anywhere else, really. (Well, except for our insane foreign policy.) Live anywhere for three years and you’ll be able to easily launch into a tirade about that place.

    Bitching about American work habits as a cultural thing is also way off the mark. It’s a straight-up rational cost of living and real wages thing, nothing to do with chasing baubles and status. Taxes and policy have dramatically driven up the cost of things like housing and education while the real value of take home pay has been flat since the 70s (politicians destroying our international competitiveness). A look at household budgets show your average Joe simply has to work a lot harder now than he once did to secure a reasonable quality of life for his family and the necessary advantages for his children.

    I’m also somewhat amused by the analysis of “American women” on these types of sites. There’s a kernel of truth, but… These guys live and “game” in a handful of major urban centers and neighborhoods. These places and the women who are attracted to them are not representative of the general population. I mean, have you stepped more than twenty miles outside the NE corridor? It’s a big country.

  82. Marc January 23, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Great post. Makes me want to have brew with you and soak this in some more. I quit my corporate gig right after I got my Y2K bonus and was banking on the stock market bubble. Six months later I was living in Spain. My initial trip was for 8 weeks, but I stayed for a year. A year later I knew I could never go back to a job like that again (the high paid, lots of hours kind). I felt like I broke out of the matrix and realized that lots of other countries were living it up so much better than we Americans. I tried to break some of my friends out of the matrix, but there were no takers. Its hard to convert people who have been institutionalized for so long. Lots of people I worked with would say, “Oh, I wish I could do that.” Most of them young and single. I would tell them you can, but you can’t do it while paying for that BMW in the driveway at the same time. After a sigh, they would all choose the BMW.

    I realize a lot of Americans don’t like hearing that America is not so great in some ways. America is the greatest country in many ways that matter… if you happen to be a country. I grew up comfortable in the knowledge that we had the largest most technically advanced economy, that we had the most powerful military, that we had the best universities, the best hospitals, most material wealth, best movies and TV, and the hottest women, etc, etc, ad nauseum (poor me, I was so naive). After living abroad and over time realizing what I had been missing, but not knowing what to with my life; I had a hard time coming to grips with realization that my wealthy American lifestyle was so lacking compared to my materially humble lifestyle in various other countries. All those great stats that show the USA is #1 just did not translate into a better quality of life for me or most other people, as far as I could tell. It wasn’t an easy transformation. At first I had major TV and junk food withdrawals for months. The side benefit was I literally walked my ass off and lost 3 inches in my jeans. My social life and sex life elevated to a level that is basically unobtainable within the US. Throw on top all I learned and all the great friends I made, there was no way I could just go home and plug back in again.

    How could I have been so blind for so long? I was totally indoctrinated by American culture and values that I had grown up with. I saw 2 movies abroad that I skipped in ’90s because I was too busy poring over RFCs for my job while Seinfeld and Friends played in the background. They were Fight Club and Office Space. Ironically two American movies in English in a non-English speaking country. They resonated with me all the more since they validated and put into words the path I had already started.

    When I got home after that first trip I noticed a few things. First, how fat everyone was. Seriously, it took me two weeks to cope with that alone. The other thing was how bland and unfulfilling life in America was. And I’m still not over that. I now felt like a foreigner in my own country. I had changed and had experiences that just would not permit me to integrate back into American society to the way I was before. It’s why I no longer live full time in America any more. I have no idea if this is how returning troops feel when they return, but I’m slightly different now and feel slightly foreign and just not being able to connect with friends at home the same as before. This is actually a pretty shitty feeling, but who knew it would happen?

    I’ve had the conversation so many times with my stateside compatriots, even the ones I grew up with who have taken the obligatory packaged vacations abroad. It’s like discussing sex with a eunuch. If you haven’t experienced significant time abroad… enough time to look back at America from very different vantage points, you are just not going to understand what some people in this thread already know.

    1. Roosh January 23, 2010 at 4:44 pm

      Great story Marc.

      “I now felt like a foreigner in my own country. I had changed and had experiences that just would not permit me to integrate back into American society to the way I was before.”

      This is what I’m afraid you. Enough time abroad and you’re permanently changed.

  83. Nacirema January 23, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    I never said we should have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan. We should have handled both of those situations diffently. I can tell you that I saved more lives than I took, so no, I did not fight in vain.

    As far as soldiers overseas supporting the American lifestlyes back home, I’m not even going to touch on it. I know what I know, and if other people don’t, I now see that as their own problem, not mine. That’s why I’m taking, at the very least, a break from fighting for their asses.

    I love to absolve myself from this shit altogether whenever possible and go see other countries while making love to women from there. We can def agree on that part.

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  85. Grant January 24, 2010 at 7:52 am

    Quite an articulate piece. I lay a few comments.
    The American dream has turned into a nightmare of entitlements. For me American business has commoditized every aspect of life. We are the most oriented and groomed for business society in the world. We are a society of perfections via perceptions. Our parental overlords make sure that we all speak the same language, wear the same corporate logos, and wrap ourselves in the American flag on every domestic and foreign issue. As the masses hide behind pseudo smiles, prescription and illegal drugs and addictions to fastest calories concocted by mankind. The machine is fast approaching a zero sum return. And the American people might have to consider ways to sustain happiness through other means than money.

  86. brooks February 1, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Excellent post, but not because you’ve tapped into some manner of universal truth. No, you’ve hit upon some of the frustrations and fears that resonate with me, personally, and I find the post to be an odd sort of third party validation. After taking the time to read the many comments, I see how the truth is relative, and what makes sense for me may repulse good friends I’ve grown up with.

    Since graduating with a worthless 4 year degree I’ve lived in multiple cities and US states, moving almost once a year for a decade. Good friends of mine got jobs at the bank back home and still work there today. What feels right for me would terrify them. I agree with one of the early comments: a life of bland material comfort is satisfying for some (if not most).

    All considered, great post. Keep it up.

  87. TGE February 4, 2010 at 8:16 am

    “‘If you were leaving back to America right now, I’d come with you. I’d take a chance and do it.’ Other Brazilian girls have done and said similar ‘weak’ things, and Colombian girls as well. And that’s real, because the nature of a woman is she needs a man.”

    She was gaming you in hopes of landing a green card and made you think it was sincere interest on her part. Oldest trick in the book.

  88. Anonymous Girl February 7, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Bullshit. I’m American and I can’t find a man in this country who wants pampering. In fact, I’m constantly up against women who are independent and career driven and that’s what the men in the DC area seem to want.

    I’m more of a submissive type who would cook for a man in lingerie, give him a random blowjob, and keep the home immaculate. I love dressing up and wearing heels and being feminine. Women in Washington are constantly giving me the stink eye when I walk into a room, assuming I’m ill bred or poorly cultured or intellectually lacking because I choose to play up my femininity.

    I’ve written off men in Washington as closet gay. I would love to find someon who would let me please him.

  89. Anonymous Girl February 7, 2010 at 8:45 am

    One more thing, Roissy – these men who want independent women write me off as “needy.” Which is just not true. I have my own hobbies and interests and spend plenty of time doing my own thing. I don’t need to be in someone’s space 24/7. I just find it so sad when you try to be there for someone and express real interest in them and you are written off as “needy.”

  90. Random Guy February 7, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Roosh, you need to travel this great big country of ours. The DC area is one of the most expensive and driven areas in the country.

    You can live for next to nothing in many parts of the US. Example: lots of hippies live off next to nothing in Southern Oregon.

    I get the feeling that you don’t really feel comfortable outside a cosmopolitan city because of how you look and i understand that.

    We really do live in an enormous country, plenty of options. Tell that to the guy in Belgium or Japan.

    Part 2 of my post.

    If you want to reach stage two, you will have to learn the language, in your case either Spanish or Portuguese. Then step 2 and 3. Find a real network of friends and a long term girlfriend/wife. Then carve out a niche way to make a living.

    Roosh, you are still young. Years will pass quickly. I’m 37 and feel like loser because i didn’t follow the BMW and corporate path. I have nothing to show for my years. No wife, kids, savings or career advancement. I will have to start at the bottom. Think of how things could look at age 55 in hindsight.

    My solution is to go abroad and start some kind of business. Good luck.

  91. Rivelino March 31, 2010 at 9:12 am

    One of the most sincere, heartfelt, truthful, and moving things I have ever read on the internet. Roosh, this is *exactly* how I feel. Thank you for sharing.

    Rivelino’s last blog post: Don’t be needy..

  92. gunslingergregi July 22, 2010 at 7:04 am

    That is why you got to bust the ratrace save money and leave comfortable. Then yea no regrets.

  93. gunslingergregi July 22, 2010 at 7:11 am

    But yea real problem in us is you can’t keep what you work for if after you marry us woman she wants to take your lifes work and flush it down the drain.
    50 percent of marriages fail and have always fail.
    American woman are taught this in womans studies.
    Yet they still think they deserve alimony and child support.
    So yea fuck that.
    Unless your willing to kill em you can’t expect them not to fuck you.
    So really the good part of us is yea easier to save some money than almost anywhere else. That is the benfit but because of that they also use woman to siphon off the mens wealth. So you do the first and avoid the second.

  94. Jesus_Lizard July 22, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    “I don’t need stuff—all I need in life is a laptop and good speakers. ”

    Reminds me somewhat of the immortal Jeff Spicoli… “All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I’m fine.”

    You might rethink this one when you grow up.

  95. John August 31, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Stellar post.

    I’ve dated women from the Czech Republic–and they were really amazing. Bright, inquisitive, could do differential calculus…

    I’ve dated women from Sweden–sweet, smart, multilingual, and fun to share a drink with.

    Poland–smart, sweet, and genuine.

    France–amazing, pleasant, well-spoken, and sweet.

    The United States? Well, I could begin to understand them if I knew what planet they’ve come from.

  96. Banter November 4, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    American women are our EQUAL. Not just a hole to shove your pee-pee in. Feminism gave them self-respect as they re-define gender roles in our modern society.

    Maybe viewing them as PERSONS, replete of intelligence, scares you.

    I can run game on Latinas all day and get my fill, but i’d only take an American woman seriously.

  97. Anonymous January 4, 2011 at 1:50 am

    if you hate women (basically 50% of the population), have such clear loathing for them, deride them at every turn, generalize massively, then why do you spend all your days pursuing them and caring how they treat and react to you? quandary me thinks.

  98. Mandy! XD January 6, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    I agree with everything you say here…however…

    “Very cute girl, a few years younger than me. It was our second date and we went out to some gringo bar and after our first drink she looks at me and says, ‘If you were leaving back to America right now, I’d come with you. I’d take a chance and do it.’”

    Remember that these women have everything to gain by following a man to America, especially if she thinks he’ll take care of her and pay for her and help her get her citizenship. She thinks you’re rich, and by Brazil’s standards, you probably are. Keep that in mind.

    Besides, that, though, I do agree with everything you have to say here.

  99. Rei February 6, 2011 at 9:23 am

    I do not relate with what you wrote, you had a great time compared to me.

    I am venezuelan, I left my country because people and hugo chavez are a disaster, but after expending yet another year in the US I can tell this culture is bull shite.

    The american girls lack from social skills, they are not worth the air they breath and in order to like them I have to act as a mentally challenge gringo for far too long.

    I was an exchange student in arkansas back in 1992 and I ended up together with a girl from germany, I couldn’t stand the american girls there, they were pretty but no brain.

    I have coming and going in 2 years laps and the same thing, the times I got laid with an american girl I had to laugh and play the idiot for at least an hour. I remember in New York I had 2 one night stand on the first date withing the same week by experimenting being an idiot, but I can not.

    I rather my venezuelan girls were they like you to be polite, to be a gentleman, to have an actual conversation and they will fall in love with you even if is for that one night, for sure they will want you to call her back and they will be your friends and remember you always.

    Is not like the american girls who are like a condon.

    I moved to the US and I am working just fine because in my office everyone is venezuelan but the times I worked with gringos it was a disaster, it was slavery.

  100. average working man with open mind and well traveled out of necessity and interest in life March 11, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Hey Roosh V, you draw on some fundamental truths in you post such as the sad reality that through many reasons American culture has robbed men and women and for that matter the majority of people in the States of each other.
    Highly recommend you visit
    BOSNIA-GOOD PEOPLE- MINIMUM COMMERCIALISM-AWESOME BEAUTIFUL GIRLS THAT ARE COOL AND FEMININE weather they are Muslim or Christians (lots of history to assist in contemplations on the nature of life and human kind oh and good weed, good beer, good music too) best 2 years of my life, yeah there was some chaos and the buildings still have bullet holes but the people are true, and despite working a hectic job would recommend Sarajevo to anyone that agrees with the article, no jaded bulshit here..

    Keep writing, moving and the bitterness at bay.

  101. Mr.GM May 25, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Epic.Epic.Epic. 9 to 5 sucks.

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  103. Renn July 2, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    A lot of good, but ‘misguided’ posts about healthcare and the world in which we live.

    I’ve been unemployed long enough to understand what’s really going on–and I don’t mean that as a put-down to anyone reading this blog. It’s just the truth.

    First of all, income taxes DO NOT go to paying for all of the supposed ‘benefits’ we’re supposed to get. They go to paying the INTEREST on our national debt.

    Everyone on here needs to watch Aaron Russo’s “America: Freedom to Fascism” to understand what’s really going on.

    We no longer live in a constitutional republic. We basically live in a crony-capitalist society where big business is in bed with big government against the interests of the American people.

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  105. frank January 20, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    You being an american citizen are essentially subsidized , by the hardworking, idiot, lard asses you so despise.

    If only all Americans were more like you… no wait then they would truly be fucked.

    If you were from any other country doing what you’re doing you wouldn’t even have %1 of the success you’ve had.

    You should give credit where its due simply being born in American gives you huge advantage over 6 700 000 000 other humans.

  106. Anonymous March 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Yes- us women need men, and will only be happy servicing them.

    Well, with THAT mentality, its no wonder all you have been met with in the U.S. is hostility from the female gender. You’re a total douche. People in general are happy making people they care about happy. It’s hard to care for a self-entitled ass who is whining about women being self-entitled. Waaaaaaa.

  107. JstLOL August 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Masterpiece! True, women DO need men and vise- versa. Such a pathetic summary of a book entitled “American Women’s Life”, eh?
    Btw, it’s disgusting how Americans think that most non-Americans would be more than happy to swtich place with them. Who want to be one of these arrogant people whose lives are nothing but scumbags?
    I know not all of Americans are bad, yet their cockiness really pissed me off.
    Ps: No Comment ’bout the political blah blah blah ‘cuz I have no idea ’bout these American’s thing, why must I care anyway? G’luck, then…. whatever.

  108. RR September 9, 2012 at 6:46 pm


    I just got back to America from 5 years of living in Thailand, Phillipines, and China. China’s women are pretty feminist as well, so that was a nightmare.

    Like you said, I don’t know what to do with myself. It’s hard to even have a normal conversation with American women (including my mother) because their Femi attitude jumps up and they throw a $#!t fit when I don’t go along with it.

    I’m back in school trying to get enough skills to get an amazing job overseas, because living in the US is a nightmare.

    The only way I could do it is to import a foreign girl, NOT own a TV, NOT own a radio, and just completely isolate myself (and her!) from American Corporate Culture.

  109. RD September 16, 2012 at 8:56 am

    I read this and I have to say, it was a great post. Inspirational, and very well written.

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  111. Kris Kemp November 7, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Hilarious and well thought out post.

    I traveled to Europe with my girlfriend-at-the-time and it was such an amazing experience. We worked on farms and couchsurfed, hitchhiking through France and Germany, taking trains, too. People in Europe know how to live. They value good relationships and good food, which lends to good emotional health and good physical health. Being in Europe taught me that there is a better way to live, and it’s outside the United States. I even wrote an ebook about my experience: http://www.HowtoTravelEuropeCheap.com

    Listen, just move outside the U.S., figure out how to work online and live with less, and keep your blog. It’s fantastic and inspiring.

    I plan to visit Montreal and live there, and then return to France and travel Europe and not come back to the United States. I’m a writer, photographer, musician, website developer, and I’m willing to learn other languages to make this happen. But mainly, it’s their lifestyle that’s so attractive, and the girls over there are pretty, healthy, and friendly.

    Just use http://www.wwoof.org and http://www.couchsurfing.com



  112. Jackie November 13, 2012 at 1:38 am

    Roosh it looks like this post was written about two years ago but the funny thing is that over the last couple of year some of the latest buzz and advice given out by all the gurus has been to be open and vulnerable….

  113. soleofsoul May 23, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Well done in my opinion. I didn’t find any point that I disagreed with.

  114. Jj September 16, 2013 at 5:50 am

    One of the best things I’ve ever read in my life. Roosh you are sheer pragmatic intelligence in many ways. This whole 9-5 grind is corporate commie-Zionist nwo/global slavery bull shit for the Rothschilds and Rockerellers kosher plantation.

  115. Paul January 30, 2015 at 8:16 am

    I just read this from your book Rooshv and i’ve never felt so connected with a piece of writing!

    I live in Australia and feel like i’m going crazy! I’m saving up at the moment to get the hell out of here! Seriously… it’s fucking depressing living in a country with broken women and beta men everywhere! I feel like i’m living in a looney asylum which gets worst and worst every bloody year!!!