When Is It Too Late To Learn Game?

I constructed a chart to determine if it’s too late for you to learn game:

A lot of guys in their 30s and 40s missed the game boat during their youth. They grew up in a time when feminism was taking hold but before countermeasures had yet to be developed. Should they just curse their timing and forget about ever becoming good with women or should they pick up a game book and start reading?

The fact that every month of practicing game can yield significant gains tells me that it’s never too late. Even if you’re a 50-year-old guy, there are tons of concepts you can learn in the next year that will help your odds with women.

The process is similar to learning a language after your 20s. I won’t ever become fluent in Polish, but studying one hour a day for a couple months (at the age of 32) allowed me to connect with more Polish people. I could ask for directions, order what I wanted from a restaurant or coffee shop, and have simple chats with women who didn’t speak English. My goal wasn’t complete mastery of the language, but being able to do more than I could before. You should have the same goal with game.

The only thing that older men need to be careful with is which school of game they learn. It wouldn’t make much sense to duplicate Mystery’s club game when their ages make them better suited for hotel lounges, coffee shops, or artistic venues. They must select the game advice that would fit well with the lifestyle of a more mature man. I predict in the next few years you’ll see more books dedicated to serving this age group.

Game is just an assembly of tools to increase your value to women. While it does give you specific lines and techniques, it also teaches you to be the best man you can be by hitting the gym, becoming well read, gaining interesting experiences through travel or hobbies, and having great answers to typical questions that women ask. I don’t know of a single man who wouldn’t be helped by that.

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ZigZag
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OK but is there not special game for older men who want to get with twenty somethings? Beacuse its easy as hell to fuck a washed up cougar in her 40s — but can i assume when you discuss game for older men it is game for older men to get with younger women?

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Awesome, awesome post!

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Sound advice. Your journey of self-improvement should only end when you die, no earlier. For married or men in LTRs, it may even be more important to continue improving your game.

OK but is there not special game for older men who want to get with twenty somethings?

I believe the old Roissy wrote about this. It’s worth it to search through his archives. Roosh’s forum may also yield some good advice.

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1 ZigZag:

R. Don Steele covered that in his books: Dating Younger Women for Men over 35 Vol.1 and Vol.2

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The best choice I ever made was getting a vasectomy.

On Love
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Age is not a factor in the love game.

I know many guys in their 20s that can not chat up a girl if she standing in front on him, was smiling and giving him all the signs.

In contrast, I know many a George Clooney looking 50+ guys who would have no problem.

Feminism might have peaked in the 90s,in the formative years of many guys out there so they fight to overcome their programming.

I am not even talking about picking up girls but just meeting girls for love. I am certain age or even looks is not the factor but how guys approach life and the way the chat up girls.

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If you are in your 20s … Learn NLP
If you are in your 50s … Learn NLP

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I would fall into this category. Spent my 20’s in the 90’s in NYC, a hive of femicunts. Managed to get a lot of one night stands, but impossible to find a relationship. Most of those women who didn’t find their GQ model type millionaires are now in their late 30’s, early 40’s and childless.

I am now 41, if you are my age day game is where it’s at my friends.
It’s never too late, but you must study whenever you have downtime.

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I’m ‘only’ seventeen, but I’m constantly kicking myself for not starting earlier. Nearly all my peers have at least some level of success with women, whereas I, because of various psychological obstacles, never bothered to try before. I read game books – get energized and pumped up, and get depressed when I see others already having great success seemingly effortlessly.

Ah, whatever. I’m not writing this so you can tap me on the shoulder and tell me to go on, some of you were in even worse situations than me. The only solution is to man up and fight.

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As a guy at 35, I don’t feel that a 25 year old girl is completely out of my range yet, especially since most people guess my age to be late 20s. However in 5 years, it might start becoming hard to get at 20 something girls and that’s what’s making me nervous. I really don’t want to *seriously* date any women over 30 if I can help it.

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It’s never too late to start, and to bag sluts for one night stands game techniques do work pretty well. HOWEVER, having a relationship with a desirable girl is much more complicated, and having social status, a good social network, money, and connections all are important for this.

As someone without a great social network, i can see it’s extremely hard in a large city to get a desirable girlfriend. Most women are already taken or will discriminate against those guys who don’t already have an “in” in some way.

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@zigzag: $, fame, rep as a ladies’ man (a form of fame), drugs

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Listen Roosh,

You are making a lot of women very angry with this misogyny thing.

We love you man but please don’t make our lives miserable and please don’t make it hard for us to get laid !

You can accomplish the SAME thing by being nice – that way you get laid and then the women are not scarred for life and we are not screwed in the process ? Would that be impossible to do ?

For example : Instead of saying “I f_ed this broad and I hate feminists they are all c_nts”. You could say “I made love to this lady and thank good ness that I was able to get some love because there are some ideologies (unnamed) who try to restrict the flow of love.”

If you are not so openly hostile and abusive towards women you could get more women on the side of love and we could ALL make love. But the way you are doing it – you are burning bridges and making entire lands hostile to you (and all men).

Please I beg you to reconsider and make that harsh tone into a sweet and nice one please. We can say the same thing in two different ways WITHOUT compromising our ethics / morality or the truth. If however you continue with the anti-women diatribe and plug in nearly every post you will get women being really upset with you and they may clam up and become either lesbians or Muslim (and those women walk around with veils man! that would be like the worst thing in the world for everyone involved).

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@ Not A Beta:

I was a “nice guy” for fifty years ’cause I thought that was what women wanted.

I was wrong.

The gulf between what women SAY they want, what they THINK they want, and what they ACTUALLY want is enormous. Learn game. This teaches you what women actually want, regardless of what they say or even what they think.

Roosh, anything you have for us 50+ guys would be greatly appreciated!

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I don’t know who has programmed you Sir but feminism is the reason why you can go from bar to bar and pick up women.

The dating culture is an outcome of the blood, sweat , tears and toil of feminists (men and women). Before feminism women could not go to a bar alone or with friends – they could not work (this means they were financially insolvent and living with their parents waiting to get married which would have meant no casual sex unless you were a tyrant with concubines), women could not walk around in any clothing they wished (that is right try to hit on a woman wearing a burqa ), they could not choose casual sex (this is all thanks to the sexual revolution in the 60s and feminism!).

How then is feminism qualifying for such unbridled abuse from you?

You are a smart guy ; I know you read things beyond micro bio / chem books ? Could I interest you in the colorfully illustrated book: “Century of Sex” ( http://www.amazon.com/Century-Sex-Playboys-Revolution-1900-1999/dp/B000OV16OE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325546474&sr=8-1 )

If you are upset with women who are bitchy then call them bitchy don’t call the feminists – it would be like biting the hand that feeds you. If you are upset with women who try to one up you or try to emasculate you or try to subjugate you call these women the names that are specific (butch, penis envious, latent lesbian ) but don’t call them feminists.

Turning women into men that is not what feminism is about. Feminism was an attempt to break the supremacy of one type of guy: the tyrant who hoarded women for himself as wives, concubines, daughters, sisters. The wives and concubines he would screw but the daughters and sisters he would trade with people who helped him maintain / increase his powers.

Feminism therefore LIBERATED women AND men so the women could choose you and me and men could choose women without asking the permission of their guardians/ fathers. Feminism did a good thing! and does good things for us buddy.

It is always the tyrant that attacks and denigrates feminism because he hates it that YOU and I can get laid without requiring his permission. You want the best women – then you have to play fair and let the women have a say.

You want the best women then become an ALPHA male yourself. You cannot become an alpha male by denigrating women or feminism.

Do you want to believe that you DESERVE more than ANY woman? well how would you feel if you were a woman? We both deserve things based on merit – that is just , that is fair (not based on gender).

Just got to be loving towards all Sir. Just be cool and loving.

Thanks.

(Roosh: Sigh… http://www.rooshv.com/the-feminist-sex-lie)

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Not a Beta: You are a complete idiot. If I could personally unplug your keyboard I would. Total bullshit

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Roosh, also very important is being healthy and WORKOUT. I can’t tell you how many guys bitch about not getting laid but they are in horrible physical condition…..

http://thecaptainpower.blogspot.com

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How many of you old guys who want to game young women spent your 20’s and 30’s building your body, cultivating your mind, and starting businesses?

If you’re a man in his 40’s with cash and who is in shape, and with a little style, you wouldn’t be asking about meeting younger women. They’d be coming to you.

Bruce Willis was ~38 in Pulp Fiction. He’s not a great looking guy, but he clearly has the swagger and self-confidence a man of accomplishment has. Even without celebrity, he’d have been pulling younger women on the regular.

Men who haven’t taken care of themselves while insisting on game advice are no different from the garden variety entitled American princesses.

Want to game young women? Step one: Take care of yourself.

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Don’t kick yourself. A lot of those guys probably backed into lays in high school by being naturally good looking or relying on some kind of gimmick (popularity-athlete, etc). If you’re solid by the time college comes around you will be a really happy guy haha

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Feminism is pure evil. It is responsible for the false rape epidemic. Anti-male alimony and child custody laws are all due to feminism.

Feminists are opposed to heterosexual sex and natural sex differences.

Luckily, more men are studying the antidote to feminism: Game.

Game has produced more happiness for women than any bitter, barren feminist college professor ever could.

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I’m almost 50. I figured out Game in the past five years or so. It’s been an amazing experience. Yeah, I’m blogging about it.

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@9,

Dude, don’t sweat it. Keep learning and striving for better game, but you’re seriously young as fuck. I was a virgin until I was 20, and in the five years since, I’ve scored about 20 solid notches and have kissed and fooled around with countless others, many of them one-night stands and foreign girls! Just like a language, make game a part of your daily environment and lifestyle, and like a language, you’ll eventually embody it.

Just keep plugging away and don’t give up hope, bro. Remember that Roosh was resigned to jerking off throughout college, and now he smashes hotties so often that he writes books about it.

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The Roissy-sphere doesn’t like R. Don Steele, but he does target exactly our 35+ demographic that wants younger women. Is there any game advice/books etc for us that Roissy WOULD approve? R. Don Steele does give interesting information and advice. I didn’t see anything wrong with it, but then I’m still a beta (Gamma in Vox Day’s parlance)

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@9

All you should think about is how much farther ahead you’ll be than most guys if you learn game now while you’re still very young. I’m 18 and I only picked up game a few months ago so I’m in the same boat as you, but I don’t know another guy at college who has the balls to walk up to a random (hot) girl, chat with her and get her number in broad daylight.

Two of my roommates are sophomores and have each slept with about 20 girls. They have confidence with women and are very experienced, but both of have told me they are amazed by my ability to cold approach girls during the day. Sometimes when we get lunch I’ll point out a girl and they’ll be stunned when I walk right up to her and come back, smiling with a new number in my phone.

Having solid game will allow you to get with women no matter what situation you find yourself in. Many of the guys who are getting with tons of girls at our age won’t have game to fall back on when they’re in their mid twenties and older. They rely on social proof or other temporary measures of their status, and when those things disappear they lose their confidence. When you develop game you know you have a model that works and your confidence will never disappear.

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Not A Beta... okay well maybe
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Listen friends,

Interaction with the gentler sex , the fairer sex is a blessed thing. Be of service to them – love them and heal them (sexually if you must).

But please don’t try to put on a facade of callousness and say “I have to hate women if I want to love them”. You can love women and still make love to them. You can be virtuous and loving – you don’t have to lie or cheat my beloved brothers just to make love to a woman.

If you lie and cheat just to make love to a woman you give up a thing more precious than what you could ever take from a woman. You give up your self respect and your virtue and your conscience my beloved brothers.

Let us be honest , let us be kind, let us be truthful, let us be loving and interested in pleasing and being of service to our lovers and we will find that a LOT more quality women come our way. But if we lie and cheat we go back to an bygone era of hypocrisy and lies that your brothers and sisters have fought against for millenia.

Bless us all.

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game trumps all.

a 50+ with game can routinely bang any woman of any age.

with game it simply does not matter.

game rules !!

London, UK is the worst place on Earth
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Has anyone here tried day game in London? I am trying it with no success whatsoever. Its actually completely retarded. I will approach a girl, ask for an opinion on something, then progress the conversation from there.

Eventually the conversation gets two sided, she laughs, displays some signs of attraction etc. Then after 15 or so minutes of conversation i ask for her Facebook (not even number!) and at this stage TWO things will happen: she will either say no (remember this is for Facebook which is much more trivial than a number…) or she will give me her name, i will add her on Facebook later and she declines / ignores the add (by the way when i ask for number it is always almost a no as well)

This is ridiculous beyond belief. Its for Facebook as well. I am sure if we met at a party or something it would be fine. When I was at university girls i barely knew would add me on Facebook / give me their numbers without problems.

But the point is, I am beginning to get disillusioned about day time approaching in London. it is almost as if girls here are completely against meeting a guy during the day. Has anyone here actually had any success in the day in london? Does anyone have any advice whatsoever? i am almost ready to throw in the towel and focus on my career. Game is not working for me here in London. Not sure what to do.

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Hey Roosh, why is registration on your forum only open on the 1st day of every month? Would like to post the above problems on your forum as well. Cheers.

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I am a young guy btw (23). Just in case someone assumes I am an old guy based on the post. Thanks.

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“Not a beta” does a pretty good parody of a typical Good Mangina Project commenter.

(It is a parody, right?)

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Not a beta: you are an embarrassment to the male gender. for that matter, you are an embarrassment to the human race.

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I’m 54 and benn on a vertical learning curve the past few months.

I’m not too old to get this part of my life figured out.

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As a guy approaching his 40s, Game has been a life changer for me. I now attract twenty-somethings, the girls I though were out of reach when I as a student in college. I am pretty sure that eventually, most guys will marry one of their bangs later in life. Forget dating manuals. This is it. Game makes you sharper in life, it makes you understand women. Thanks to Roosh for helping to make this possible. Happy Bang Year to all!

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What do you think about this Finnish woman, who went to Tallinn to get silicon implants? Now she is complaining that they made the tits too big.

She says: “I just wanted my breasts to be toned a bit, and now I have this kind of terrible “porn tits, says a 52 year old Hannele, a mother of 3 children”.

I mean, isn’t she narrow minded? Maybe because Finland is a feminist country, she doesn’t dare to look feminine, and now she is demanding her money back?

http://www.iltalehti.fi/kauneuskirurgia/2012010415032907_kf.shtml

PS. I honestly think those boobs are real damn hot. More surgeries like this please! How many of you guys agree?

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Even if I never got laid from it, game has been one of the most important things I ever learned. It unlocks all the supposed mysteries of female behavior and explains so much that had perplexed me for so long. If nothing else, I get the peace of knowing that women are not mysterious after all.

A 40 year old with intermediate game could take home a 23-year-old HB 9 before a 23-year-old guy could, in most cases.

And Not a Beta, assuming you aren’t trolling (a generous assumption), feminism was not a war against the tyrant alpha male, it was the opposite. It was the plain woman’s war against the idea that she should marry a beta and stay with him for life. It was a war on the nice, honest, and hard-working man who rarely got laid to begin with.

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What about guys in their 40s who do want to try to pickup women in nightclubs? Think many girls will think it’s creepy for an older guy to be in the club?

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I’d be in that category Roosh, hitting 40, mostly missed out on all this stuff, the net (in its current info-glut form) just wasn’t around when I was young, the young today have so much more access to street-wise info!

I guess provided a guy is not a senior citizen (over 60 in which case take the Thailand option?), it’s not too late. But I think it must surely be much more difficult to start on all this stuff when you’re older for someone who largely missed on these sorts of social interactions.

Why did I miss on the girl thing? Well, it was just that my attention wasn’t directed in the social direction, I was really introverted and I preferred nerd stuff like sci-fi and the mysteries of the universe and mad genius world domnination and all that. No time for chicks when I’m trying to do the ‘become master of the universe’ gig is there now? wink

I basically take a neutral stance to all this PUA stuff, neither a hater nor a fan, just not being judgemental and just trying to see what I can learn. But I do follow some of the PUA blogs and find it all very interesting, precisely because its a side of life I did largely miss on.

@9, I would reiterate the comments of @22, you are just a kid, under 30 is young, and if you are both young and healthy, whatever problem you think you have, I assure you, it is trivial, there really is no problem LOL

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I needed this. I’m 22 today and I feel so old. I must learn game for glory in my 30s.

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I am 44, in good shape and maintaining myself. Even though I am quite short and have en issue in that I can only do prime quality beautiful girls I have never been with a woman in her 30’s. At 21 I had a very kinky 28-year old who taught me a decade worth of bedroom experience but since then I have never had to settle with anyone older. You might think that I haven’t had any women but actually I’ve almost constantly been with some beautiful, sexy, young girl ever since. I have to admit that I recently had a girl in her 20’s telling me that I was too old for her so I can certainly still improve my game a lot, but my point is that if stay active, maintain yourself and try to have few interests that young people also like, there is no reason why you shouldn’t get with the “same” girls as you did 10, 15 even 20 years earlier!

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Insightful post Roosh. Most of the men currently beyond the 30’s range were in a time before Game started to be talked about on the internet, but the Game info is out there now (some sources better than others), so as many of us now know it’s not too late to learn Game and meet women in whatever niche you are now in.
After seeing pics the other day of Thai Ladyboys “Post Op” it may be too freaky in Thailand. I think I will stick with Game in other countries.

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I’m 20 and never been laid.

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