When No Means Yes

If you read men’s rights blogs or forums, you’re probably under the impression that half of all bangs end up with a false rape charge. Because of this blog I’ve known dozens of game guys (or gamesmen, if you will), with more than a thousand notches between them, and not once has any mentioned problems to me with being accused of rape. I know it happens, but the incidence is too small for me to worry about instead of STDs and accidental pregnancies.

While every feminist likes to repeat the phrase “No means no,” it depends on context. Here’s a guide:

“No” when you try to take off her jeans or shirt means… “You need to turn me on a lot more.”
“No” when you try to take off her bra means… “Try again in five minutes.”
“No” when you try to take off her panties means… “Don’t give up now!”

I find the only word that means no is “stop.” If you hear that word then she’ll be asking you to leave soon after.

For every rape accusation I’d want to know at what stage of undress the girl was at before the supposed rape happened. If she was completely naked until saying no, and got there voluntarily, then I’d be reluctant to charge the man with rape unless there were signs of violence. Women need to understand that men aren’t robots who can suddenly stop at the drop of a dime with all that testosterone pumping through their system. Therefore it would be prudent for them not to enter situations where the average man can’t stop due to his innate weaknesses as an animal whose entire existence depends on him successfully mating.

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In some jurisdictions even in the middle of sex if she says stop for whatever reason and you don’t INSTANTLY stop, if you pump even ONE more time, you could be going to jail. This is why crazy and/or vindictive chicks scare me.

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Unfortunately for us, the fembots and their mangina judicary lapdogs declare ‘no’ as ‘no’.

If she’s naked and saying no, you continue on very context specific IOIs. If she’s clamming up, bail, flash some anger at her retarded flaking, and leave.

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Why is it necessary and recommended to be angry at someone who doesn’t want to fuck you?
If you are so desirable, alpha, and superior why attempt to intimidate and react emotionally?

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“Why is it necessary and recommended to be angry at someone who doesn’t want to fuck you?”

What? He isn’t saying anything about being angry at someone who doesn’t want to fuck you. Where’d you get that? He’s talking specifically about women who give indications of interest, and basically invite you to fuck them, up until the point they’re naked and you’re actually about to fuck them or have even already started, and then they suddenly say, “No nevermind.” Totally reasonable to find that annoying as f***. Anyone with a brain would

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All it takes is 1 life-ruining accusation to become a men’s rights convert.

Feminists believe you shouldn’t have to say or do anything. As long as they think to themselves that they don’t want it, it’s rape. The law isn’t there yet, and I don’t think it will be.

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Sorry to be the grammar nazi, but you don’t need an apostrophe when pluralizing an acronym, like STDs.

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No need to be a grammar nazi on such a small, meaningless triviality. If he had confused their and there, or something a bit less trivial, fine. But getting on him for putting an apostrophe? Puh-lease. Trivial to the point of absurdity.

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So, you raped a girl.
Congrats Dude!
You’ve gone from high school nobody to college nobody to post-college faggot who gets a few lays here and there and, on occasion, rapes a girl.
You Da Man!!!! LOL!!
I guess when you don’t have more than two sexual partners until your mid-20s, you have to take it when you can.

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I don’t know man. I’ll have to disagree with you on this one. I’ve bedded about 20 chicks in my life and i can honestly say that the word “no” never really ever came out. Maybe i’ll get the push-away or her grabbing my hand, but i’ve never had a girl say “no” to me and then I ended up banging her.

Maybe a “no” in a laughing manner, but def never in a “no” in a don’t want to do this manner.

Usually my response to a girl who is resisting is just an utter pull-back and trying to reframe this as her being a moronic tease.

If we hang out all night and the girl doesn’t give it up – i’m out. I’m not doing this whole “i take you out, we flirt, talk, i pay” and then we just go home and sleep on it.

A major portion of the courtship phase is fucking….. if we aren’t eventually fucking then i don’t want to court you.

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‘just keep going’

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I thought no always meant yes. if it’s a real no (for whatever situation) – she will remove herself from that situation, not just remain there. actions speak louder than words kinda thing…

I should read this post now. just that the phrase ‘no means yes’ is very dear to me.

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If she doesn’t want it, she’ll make an excuse to leave.

Lying on the bed moaning and saying “no” definitely does not actually mean “no”.

I used to be scared to be too aggressive, because of rape charges and shit. Yeah, I’m no longer fearful of that shit….

Like you said in the post Roosh, you slept with both girls many times after that. That’s reason enough to believe there’s no way it was rape, because they liked it and kept coming back….

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When you think about it the female mind must be severely divided. For the species to continue the female must at somepoint submit, while naked, to a larger, stronger person getting on top of her, or placing her in some other helpless position and inserting a body part inside her.

On the other hand this can’t happen too easily. While some part of the brain is programmed to ensure this happens under the right circumstances, much of the rest of the brain is programmed to prevent it. I don’t think there is any switch that moves her from “resist penetration” to “submit to penetration” so both parts could be working at the same time.

So it seems to me game is simultaneously disarming the resist part of the brain and activating the submit part of the brain.

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Willy Wonka
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One of my friend’s once said it best, “Hell no means the same as maybe.”

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I just hate that no matter how horny they seem, women can really just stop and be fine with it. I certainly can’t do that.

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dead on about “stop”
been told that
was not asked to leave but i’ve never seen her since

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“No” is a huge turnoff to me, and it’s a good thing, because even a .1% chance of legitimate sex being called rape is not worth it to me. I’d rather pull out in the middle of the act, walk her to the door and tell her to have a nice life, than to finish and find out it’s the last sex I’ll have with a girl for 10 years.

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My feelings about this post can best be expressed by this Onion article, entitled, “I Tell Ya, Until I’ve Had My Morning Coffee, I Am Just a Rapist.”

http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-tell-ya-until-ive-had-my-morning-coffee-i-am-jus,17618/

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on the same token, I think the haters’ negative comments actually mean they like the post, this time

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I’ve had experience with the flaky teasing shit. The girl was a neurotic with psychotic episodes and a drinking problem. I got rid of her.

Once I came close (too damned close) to a rape setup. She verbally danced around her desire to act out a rape fantasy; I declined. Good thing, too. She was nuts.

I found one “no means yes” girl some years back. What a trip. The kinkier things got, the more she enjoyed it and the protesting continued. I finally broke up with her when I couldn’t take the drama anymore and greener pastures presented themselves. She found someone she thought was good husband material and last I heard she was driving the poor schmuck nuts trying to get him to the altar.

The only thing about the no-means-yes girl is that under the right circumstances, like when the man is loaded and not thinking clearly, you could end up in trouble. The odds are against it, sure, but I find myself being just a little more careful than I used to be.

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Women shout to the rooftops about how much better at communicating they are, so why not make them prove it? Words given other than their plain meaning or are intended to give the speaker deniability would not be tolerated in any other context, why tolerate it in a sexual one, especially given the legal risk?

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good post roosh.

I have to say that I would be more careful about this than a lot of you guys. Too many girls in love with being victims. a girl who says no when she means yes can other other problems, maybe she’s a flaky psycho. She could turn on you when she realizes you are not that serious about her etc.

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Roosh: Haven’t I seen you someplace before?
Woman: Yes, that’s why I don’t go there anymore.

Roosh: Is this seat empty?
Woman: Yes, and this one will be if you sit down.

Roosh: Your place or mine?
Woman: Both. You go to yours, and I’ll go to mine.

Roosh: Hey baby, what’s your sign?
Woman: Do not enter.

Roosh: I would go to the end of the world for you.
Woman: But would you stay there?

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I think girls say “no” to help them cope with the guilt the next day. They still want sex, obviously.

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Old sales technique…

A.I.M.

Acknowledge

Ignore

Move on

When she really wants you to stop will probably be pretty clear.

If she doesn’t ….no stop and don’t…turn into…

NO! DON’T STOP!!!!

Part of the problem in the USA, is so many people deny our primal nature and purely biological and animalistic roots. Couple that with the fact that chicks usually want to get fucked before they blow you= heavy petting zoo to sex in one step.

Rape is not something to be taken lightly. It is a very serious crime and worthy of HARSH punishment. If either of my sisters or any female family members said they were raped I would be entirely angry and likely act out in an animalistic and primal way. I think this is biologically programmed into us.

I don’t keep an accurate count, more like a rough estimate, but plenty of girls who have really wanted it and eventually said so or let me know prefaced it with something along the lines of:

“We’re not having sex tonight”

“No…I hardly know you”

It just depends on the context.

Like I said rape is not something to be taken lightly. I’d say it could even deserve unmerciful retribution…but these same feminazis and the miserable saps who support them sure as hell won’t step up when someone is falsely accused.

You can apply AIM to see what she really means by just pulling back a step. If she draws you back in, no reason not to go for it. When you have hit the wall she’ll let you know but it is up to you to recognize it…if you’ve gone too far to stop youself physically but she ain’t down, just pull out and beat off on her cat or pillow.

STDs and or Pregnancy are probably a more realistic threat to you as a human being..but if she brings the rape charge it will probably be you who ends up getting fucked.

Vincent Ignatius
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Maybe some of these chicks are just trying to live out their rape fantasies without feeling like the filthy whores they really are by telling you.

So many chicks love to be held down, choked, slapped, etc.

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Genius…this is actually probably a good move…cause if she wants it, in my own experience she’ll try to invite herself back in…

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For some girls no means yes, but I think the world should try to train them from this habit. Because it makes it hard on us girls that say no and mean it.

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You sound like a feminist: “Just teach men not to rape.” Like there are more than an infinitesimal number of men who truly don’t know that it’s wrong to force or to threaten to harm a woman to have sex with them.
“The _______ should _______.”
You actually think that your think means shit?

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V, who is the world? Are you saying that a guy should insist on sex with a girl who’s said “no” if all her other signals indicate “yes”?

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And who will bail you out of jail, game boy?? Your book publishers and blog followers or me and your Dad that have provided you with food and shelter to become this monster?? Will that nice balding boy in glasses sell one of his expensive suits to pay your lawyer fees????

You are my son and I love you very much but you make me cry and I cannot look people straight in the eyes knowing what I have raised. As your Mother, I command thee stop!

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Are you saying that a guy should insist on sex with a girl who’s said “no” if all her other signals indicate “yes”?
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No I’m saying just the opposite. A guy should just let those girls go and then they’ll learn that they can’t get what they want if they fight it.

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@ V,

Even though she says no, her deep loins say yes. This isn’t a concsious thing, concsiously she she knows its a bad idea but her subconcsious makes the ultimate decision. Even though as a woman you are outraged at this idea, its true!

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So just because a girl is self lubricating that’s enough means to stick your penis in her?
I work in the adult retail industry and the amount of hard core dom/sub or bound/disciplined usually start with a girl bound “against her will” and being teased. So there for her body is creating a reaction to stimulation that we can’t help.
A theory is also that many women overly self lubricate during rape because the body is trying to keep the vagina safe from severe ripping tearing and disfiguration.

People have fantasies, tendancies and sometimes needs. It’s about making a call on whether it’s morally correct or not to act out in reality.

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ha ha, nothing is worse than when your mom reads your blog…

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Even though she says no, her deep loins say yes. This isn�t a concsious thing, concsiously she she knows its a bad idea but her subconcsious makes the ultimate decision. Even though as a woman you are outraged at this idea, its true!

Are you really Roosh’s mom?

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I cant post links, but check out the first definition on urban dictionary for Roosh –

Roosh 248 up, 50 down
buy roosh mugs, tshirts and magnetsA poseur who thinks he’s a playa. Someone who is clueless about how unskilled he is at picking up girls.
So Michelle was at the bar and this roosh comes up to her and says “hey baby, what’s your sign?”
playa poseur douchebag jerk moron wannabe pimp pick up artist the game
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homo test

Anonymous
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Search Google images for “roosh.” There’s a cute pic of him with a pink purse. Care to explain yourself, stud?

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Ever hear of Photoshop, divot-for-brains? A digital photo of YOU can be shopped into you fcuking a sheep on the altar at church.

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I like to make up a CODEWORD with a girl, like “bananas”. Bananas means STOP. That way she can no and stop all she likes, but unless she says bananas – ITS GAMES ON! Plus bananas sounds stupid and is totally not sexy. It adds humour to an otherwise potentially awkward situation.

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Safe words are always great

RF Interference
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During my first year in college, being ignorant of the ways of the world and all hopped up and date-rape hysteria, I once stopped when a girl said “No, wait…” right before coitus. Then the next morning she seemed frustrated and asked me why we didn’t have sex when we woke up. For fuck’s sake woman! Lesson learned…

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There is no such thing as rape. Girls want sex. Fuck their brains out. I don’t care if they say no or stop. It doesn’t matter. Nobody else should either. Remember, rape doesn’t exist.

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Have you been paroled yet?

Genius
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@RF Interference
She slept in your bed?

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Rape is easier to prevent than it is to punish. Anything other than a man dragging a chick into an dark alley and taking the pussy isnt rape but a “misunderstanding.” it boggles the mind how many women will go home with me after the club closes and when we in bed they will refuse to fuck. I don’t brother with them, I don’t entertain attention whores. I kick them out and on to the next one.

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Great timing for this post:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/20/south.africa.female.condom/index.html?iref=NS1

maybe now we should acknowledge it when she says no?

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There’s at least 3 lays in recent memory I wouldn’t have had it if I had stopped at the word “No”. One was the best lay of my life. It is common community lore that a girl saying “No” is usually just last minute resistance or anti-slut defense in most situations. It is not the same kind of “NO” said by a women strongly opposed to hooking up with you. It is important that you know you can discern the difference or else you might end up saying “No” yourself…..in prison.

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While Americans debate whether “no” means no, Japan had an anime series called Rapeman about a superhero that avenges bitchy women by raping them. Try getting away with that cartoon here!

http://www.lepak.tv/index.php?page=videos&section=view&vid_id=106290

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100% true but…

Son, you’ve grown quick and may think it’s not my business to tell you what to do anymore but please… my Mom and I beg you… use condoms! Don’t repeat my mistake!

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I think the issue here is not that the girl does not want it – she clearly wants it, if she got in your bed and took her clothes off. Of course women want to be fucked.
The issue is there she might want to play vindictive the next day, and if there is a chance the case ends up with a femcunt judge who just takes her word against yours.
In the USA, this may be likely, so up to you to gauge the risk.
I live out of the States now, so to me a verbal NO is not a no unless confirmed by action, like her getting the hell dressed up and out of my place if she really doesn’t want it.

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Roosh, seriously, your the man!

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I always get the sense that a girl says “no” as a way to make me feel like she’s not a slut and that she doesn’t do this all the time, or with many guys. Its the standard way to maintain an image of purity and good girl, while still submitting.

A man has to be persistent and try to push the envelope as far as he can with most new girls. When a girl is truly not on board with sex, she will definitely make it clear. So true about “Stop” vs. “No”…. You can’t be afraid to try, try again, and you can’t get scared off by her “no”, but when when its clear its time to stop, you gotta stop no matter how hard. That’s where guys get in trouble.

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@ 40 Anonymous
“There is no such thing as rape. Girls want sex. Fuck their brains out. I don’t care if they say no or stop. It doesn’t matter. Nobody else should either. Remember, rape doesn’t exist.”

Sure. Great attitude. How far will you go.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1909220.stm