Many men have come to me with the same dilemma: they’re in a relationship with an ideal girl who would be a great mother but still want to bang other girls. They ask me if they should stay with their current girl or dump her for the purpose of sleeping around.

This scenario usually happens to men in their mid-to-late 20s when, through sheer luck, they met a good girl by happenstance. Problem is that they aren’t yet finished with “finding themselves” through the vaginal multitude. They feel like they’re missing out on experiences that could be rewarding in their development, or they simply desire to experience a rock-star lifestyle of repeated casual sex encounters, which is blocked by having a dedicated girlfriend you either live with or see many days of the week.

If a man breaks up with his high-quality girlfriend to bang sluts, he will almost certainly lose the girlfriend with no guarantee of meeting another girl of the same quality in the future or one who loves him in the same way, but if he stays with his girlfriend, he will have nagging doubts that prevent him from enjoying the relationship fully. What should such a man do?

Unfortunately, he will lose either way. It doesn’t matter what he does—he will be just as dissatisfied as before. The real problem is that he is divided. He wants to experience two things at the same time: stability and excitement. This is not possible, because they are opposing qualities. The only solution is to remove the division and either dedicate yourself to pursuing stability or excitement.

If you’re in your excitement phase, and do not want it to end unless you accomplish whatever arbitrary notch goal you’ve set for yourself that signifies you’ve had your fill, do not start a relationship. If one of the girls you bang turns out to be an amazing catch, you will set yourself up for the unsolvable problem.

Things are much easier if you’re in relationship mode, because you won’t have much interest in bypassing good girls for sluts. You are able to stay content upon meeting the right girl, and won’t be tempted enough to leave a girlfriend who you see as a worthy long-term prospect.

All of the men I’ve met with this problem decided to leave their girlfriend to bang sluts. They’ve tried to keep the now ex-girlfriend at close distance to resume the relationship once tiring of casual sex. The first problem with this approach is that banging other girls will degrade the emotional bond with your girlfriend. Each new slut you’re with will damage the connection by a barely perceptible amount. Secondly, the ex-girlfriend won’t wait around forever. The day you leave, she will unknowingly spend an extra two minutes fixing her makeup and hair, subconsciously announcing that she is for “sale” to potential suitors, and if it does seem like she is waiting for you, it’s because she hasn’t yet met a man with value higher than yours. Either way, the relationship will never again regain its intensity after you’ve taught her not to trust your love.

I’m lucky that I’ve never had this problem. When I was banging sluts, all I had eyes for were sluts, and never had to abandon a girl who I thought would make the ideal wife or mother of my children. Since then, I have hit the point of diminishing return with sluts—they now give me as much headache as pleasure, so if I meet a keeper, I will have no problems sternly telling sluts to back off from my penis, removing all consent for a possible casual sex encounter. Other men, however, place a lot of value in promiscuous sex, especially when they’re young and consuming pornographic content online. Their best outcome is to hope they don’t meet a good girl in their fun phase, or else they will be presented with a dilemma that has no solution.

Just like how we tell women that they can’t have their cake and eat it too by wasting their youth sleeping around only to desire marriage from a good man when they’re older, the same applies to men who want to experience both stability and excitement. Either bang sluts or be open to the possibility of love, but you can’t have it both ways.

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Path
Path
1 year ago

If many men begin to pursue monogamy and restrain from casual sexual relations, a change may begin to occur that causes women to leave the workplace, causing a chain of events that may result in a more stabilized society.

polishknight
polishknight
1 year ago
Reply to  Roosh

Back about 30 years ago when men discussed this, looking to this point it appears that it’s an economic momentum that’s the problem: Due to equal rights legislation and wage deflation due to immigration, women MUST work for most families to get by. At most, they might enjoy a short break while rearing young children but for the most part, most women HAVE to work.

The economics of feminism back in the 1970’s was the promise that some men who aren’t suited for the workplace (and I know a few of them) who are handsome but otherwise lousy earners would be great matches for smart women. I know a few such couples and the women eventually get disgusted with their “loser” men. Since men MUST work and so many women are working, now most women have to work as well. It’s the perfect system for get-rich-quick oligarchs.

In addition, there’s a massive significant liability for men who try to “housewife” a “ho” or more accurately, career woman. If she gives up a six figure career to rear kids and becomes unhappy due to perhaps dealing with the kids, boredom, etc. the court system will throw the book at the guy demanding alimony and child-support and also probably the house.

An actual political movement needs to deal with the problem. It can’t be fixed piecemeal in the free market since no single person can stand up to the momentum of the workplace culture.

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  polishknight

I’ve had so many relatively traditional men who I otherwise could have easily married and been quite happy with (not to mention the vast majority of society) tell me that I would HAVE to work, because “that’s just how it is these days.”

This is only true if you allow modern norms to set your standard of living; if you’re attached to having an easy and affluent lifestyle.

This is a lie that has been peddled for decades, and too many people have bought into it.

The truth is that you don’t need half of the things you think you need, and you can’t blame anybody but yourself if the standard you set for your lifestyle precludes having a family. That’s a choice.

Choose hard work. Choose austerity. Choose to live in such a way that the gold diggers and opportunistic whores of the world won’t give you a second glance.

Then choose a woman who is genuinely grateful to simply have a roof over her head, food on the table, a warm bed at night, and the freedom to roll up her shirtsleeves and use her labors to build a home and family.

We exist. You won’t find us sauntering around metropolitan areas in heels and full makeup (hint: the best quality women are not often women who have been able or inclined to invest a lot of time and money in their appearances, though many have untapped potential), but we exist – and we’re worth finding, if a loving family is truly what you desire.

Standone
Standone
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Except that women these days don’t want to live in austerity. They want a nice car, nice home with nice furniture, weekend and multi-week vacations, nice clothes and accessories, etc. This type of lifestyle is out of reach for your average western woman unless you/they go into massive debt.

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  Standone

Standone:

Last I checked, I AM a woman these days, and I’ve never wanted any of the things you’ve listed.

Among other things: I don’t have a car. My bedroom is a closet just big enough to hold a twin mattress. My clothing and shoes are selected for functionality and durability and not replaced until worn out. The cost of my beauty/grooming routine is basic shampoo and conditioner by the gallon, a chunk of salt, some coconut oil, a pair of tweezers, a pair of nail clippers, and a razor. I buy in bulk and cook from scratch. I never ask to “go out,” and I’ve never taken or wanted a vacation.

All of this by careful and deliberate choice.

What I obtain in exchange for my willingness to eschew material/consumer pleasures is the absolute freedom to live and serve my family and raise my children as I see fit, according to the teachings and principles and values that I deem correct. I have a good man who adores me, well-behaved children, and a clean, tidy, happy home.

I’m also no stranger to buckling down and working overnights doing good, honest manual labor 60+ hours per week, when truly needful, to keep a roof over my children’s heads and food on the table – while homeschooling them, never leaving them with anyone but family, and not taking any welfare (so that the state can just fork right off) – for the sake of offering up forgiveness when their father (who up and moved hundreds of miles away for the purpose of obtaining a more comfortable lifestyle for himself) has (not always but many times) mismanaged/frivolously spent his own funds to the point of being “unable” to pay any child support.

A rare stance and constitution among women, perhaps. But in my experience, equally rare among men.

I’ve run up against countless men who want all of those things you listed – and more – and are adamantly unwilling to forsake them for the purpose of raising a proper family. Men these days aren’t any more willing to live in austerity than women. My fiancé is the first man I’ve ever encountered, aside from my father and my stepfather, who is willing to accept anywhere near the same measure of austerity I am.

How many men spend decades building their perfect shiny luxurious consumer lifestyles and then choose to forego the notion of marriage and family entirely for fear of taking a financial hit?

How many MEN insist that they can’t afford a housewife/stay-at-home mother because it would require living more humbly than they want to – and thus condemn their children to being raised and indoctrinated by a public/commercial school system, while their mothers are sent away to work for other men to ensure that the children learn to properly worship the Almighty Dollar and the blessings it can buy?

How many MEN insist on only being seen with women who started out as fives and sixes and have manicured their appearance up a few points through the application of thousands of hours and dollars worth of cosmetic enhancement (not just surgery but makeup, clothing, designer diets and workouts, accessories, careful study and affectation of demeanor, etc.)?

It’s easy to say “It’s not possible for ME to live like that and have a family because WOMEN aren’t willing to live like that!!”

Find some better women, my friend. Find some women who didn’t grow up spoiled by affluence and vanity. Find a woman who was never conditioned to invest solely in her appearance for the sake of material gain. Find a woman who is HUMBLE. Find a woman who wants a FAMILY more than she wants MONEY. She doesn’t have to be anywhere near as extreme as I am to be easily and happily supported on an average salary. She may not be as “hot” as you’d like to begin with, but MOST hot women weren’t hot to begin with. I’m probably a sub-six when I can’t be buggered to prioritize my looks, but I’d be an easy eight for most with a little extra investment.

There are a million excuses to choose money over family and hedonism over love. But if you really want something, you’ll make the necessary sacrifices to have it – even though things can and do go sideways. If you truly believe that something is good and right and worthy, you won’t choose something wrong or something lesser simply because it is easier.

Adam Hastorg
Adam Hastorg
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

LOL
Nice trolling, there are no “good” women, it’s just another retarded man-shaming feminist tactic

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  Adam Hastorg

Adam Hastorg: you must be quite adept at mental gymnastics to interpret any of what I said as man-shaming or feminist.

Consumer-shaming, absolutely. Men AND women who choose to forego socially productive lives in favor of endless self-gratification ought to be ashamed.

If you want to “enjoy the decline,” have at it. But complaining that there are no good women, when the actual truth is that you don’t WANT one because you would rather perpetually consume/discard resources for your own pleasure than mindfully steward them for the purpose of strengthening society, is really no different from the approach and mindset that turns women into feminists and whores.

If you truly don’t believe there are any good women because you’ve honestly never encountered one, then I am sincerely sorry that you did not have a good mother.

W. S.
W. S.
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

If you are so good ,why are you still looking and did not find good man?

david
david
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

I’ll never trust a woman’s perspective on women. You all tell your sons and other male relatives that “women just want a good man who loves them.” If that’s true, why was 50 Shades Of Grey breaking sales records to a female audience? Why is the most popular book genre called “Romance/Erotica” with a bunch of masculine men sexually abusing women as the main plot, again 90% female audience? Why do studies show women are more attracted to photos of men only AFTER they learn they have high incomes? Humans are primates. Females are attracted to alpha males with power, whether it’s the popular guy in highschool, or the CEO. Love has nothing to do with it. The end. The more freedom women have, the more they will revert to their primal instincts. This is what feminists voted for.

Edward Easterling
Edward Easterling
1 year ago
Reply to  david

Excellent.

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  david

I tell my sons and other male relatives that “most women are horrible.” It’s practically been my mantra since childhood.

My younger brother tells me I’m one of the most misogynistic people he knows. But I’ll be darned if he didn’t end up with the good sense to filter through a bunch of them to find a good one: sweet, quiet, petite, feminine, loyal, hard-working, etc.

CB600
CB600
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

I bet you are a ‘pet mommy’ though. Cats are a useless drain on finances. Judging by your cat lady name and avatar I’m guessing you have at least one.

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  CB600

Pet mommy? Heavens, no – though I’ll confess we do have one cat. Took her with me from the last place I lived 2-3 years ago after the folks who had been taking care of her offered her to me. She made the cut because she’s a stone-cold killer. Shortly after I started feeding her, she brought me the huge rat (nearly half her size) that had been plundering the pantry for weeks and weeks, along with about 3-4 smaller rodents per day, most of which she ate (along with birds, small rabbits, the occasional squirrel – I hardly had to feed her anything). There was no more scuffling and scurrying to be heard in my wing of that house.

No rodent problems in my current place, but as far as I’m concerned this one earned her keep: cheap food, cheap litter, and a scrap of fleece in a cardboard box. Good for the kids to learn how to handle and help take responsibility, too.

When this one kicks the bucket, that’s it. My fiancé also has a dog, and to be horribly blunt, I look forward to the days after both of the furballs have expired. “No more animals ever” was one of the few hard-and-fast conditions I laid out early on in the relationship. It’s not too bad having pets while there are also children in the house (since I already have to vacuum all the time and can’t leave for long stretches without a lot of planning anyway), but I’m really not an animal person.

Dangling Chad
Dangling Chad
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Join the discussion…You are, indeed, rare.

mvr
mvr
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Word

bjtucker5
bjtucker5
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

I’ve got one 😉. Under matriarchy she was a 5. Under patriarchy, she’s an 8. Virgin bride (believe it or not) who gave us 2 handsome young men.
And yes, the consumer trap is just that: Bondage.
We’ve lived a simpler life rather uncluttered. Instead of chasing fulfillment in “successful careers” we positioned our lives to maximize our time as family. It’s paid off in big dividends.

But the ship has still been rocked a time or two. Sometimes trouble just finds you.
Chad’s gonna Chad.

As a contractor, I run into my fair share of sluts. Most of which are married.
Without getting into a longwinded story, I can boil it down to this:
If your wife is an attractive career woman… she’s more than likely bent over her desk (in her corner office, over looking the river in downtown anywhere) glancing over her shoulder, begging me to fuck her ass.

When this slut’s husband confronted my girl
in the driveway, while I was away at work one day (everyone gets caught at this game), all wifey, reluctantly, said to me was, “Well… I can see why she went after you.”

“Women would rather share a successful Alpha than be saddled with a faithful Beta.”
-RT

Truer words.

CheatsRTrash
CheatsRTrash
1 year ago
Reply to  bjtucker5

You sir, are a pos and no man for cheating on your wife.

bjtucker5
bjtucker5
1 year ago
Reply to  CheatsRTrash

Your validation… 💤

Read again:
“Women would rather share a successful Alpha than be saddled with a faithful Beta.”
-RT

Sam
Sam
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

How do we find you?

Path
Path
1 year ago
Reply to  polishknight

You say that women must work. But is that truly the case? For example, say that half of the working women suddenly stopped working and joined to men to create families, and, with the guidance of their husbands, put in effort to have a home that they can survive in: a minimalist approach. Most forms of entertainment influence the behavior that typically causes nations to decline. Even older entertainment from the 1900s contains this kind of influence. Say these families focus on food and minimal comfort like with furniture. While they are surviving in this kind of way, will the news companies write about the sudden massive decline in working women? How will they handle such an issue? In addition, if there is a group of men that actively speaks against the behavior and kinds of things that we see hindering society today, will other men consider other ideas? We can speculate, but what will give us answers is an attempt for change. An attempt for change may spread to others for a desire to change, but not until an attempt is made.

DeCode
DeCode
1 year ago
Reply to  polishknight

Your assessment is incorrect. A single provider household is easy to obtain and maintain with two caveats: the man does not settle down or get married until in a position to easily make middle class money on his own (around 40k + a year starting out to 70-100k+ if he’s ;ate 20s-early 30s)

The second caveat is you MUST live within your means and avoid frivolous spending and the “keeping up with the joneses” mentality.

The only reason a two come household is needed in the Us – generally – is because women are competing with men in the work force and have driven down wages. We literally DOUBLED our workforce with the pursuit of “equality” in the workplace and the societal shift of moving women out of the home.

Haha
Haha
1 year ago
Reply to  Roosh

No, average nudnick incels like yourself can’t possibly fathom saying no to sick rotten whores having sex with other men on a screen since you can’t get an actual hot woman to have sex with your sorry cuck arse.

Your only sexual outlet is watching men bang other women. Sad!

jkasgw
jkasgw
1 year ago
Reply to  Haha

To be precise, they are not even watching that. They are watching electronic representations of “that” by way of digital pixels and computer 1s and 0s. Which makes it even more pathetic.

Path
Path
1 year ago
Reply to  Roosh

I believe so. Man has discipline more so than women. Men must rise and join together to make an influence. It seems that time and time again great civilizations fall because women and men, but women especially, are sexually liberated. It may be required that one man or more rise up to lead. Most men seem to be pacified, but if a group formed that held traditional values without violent behavior, other men might take note. It really is if the man cares enough to stand up and try to make a difference, if he cares more for change than for all of the comfort and entertainment that surrounds him. Is it too late? We will not know for sure unless we try.

Weimar Republican
1 year ago
Reply to  Roosh

I met my GF on RoK last spring (being among the most popular commenters for the short stint I was there…so women choose the ‘winners’ even in the abstract), and it has been a wild ride. I have no idea what the future holds, but I am experiencing this dilemma somewhat of having more options, which she discreetly approves. The trad-cons claim that women improve a man’s life and make him more productive, but what I have experienced is that is makes me far less productive, but more disciplined insofar as grooming/handling women…so the only thing that has improved is attracting more women, which is a nice problem to have, I guess. I can’t thank you enough, Roosh.

Andrea
Andrea
1 year ago
Reply to  Roosh

Not the average Amercan male.

Rando Calrissian
Rando Calrissian
1 year ago
Reply to  Roosh

Average man. No. Especially if he possesses an ounce of SMV. I think men need to come to that point organically… internally. Most will have to lose an amazing girl or two before they question things sufficiently to change their hearts.

TexMexBBQ
TexMexBBQ
1 year ago

If you want to live until you are elderly and have a good wife take care of you instead of being slapped around and abused by some fat angry bitch in a nursing home, you need to seek stability, live a respectable life and constantly treat your wife like a queen. If looks and high quality sex are going to matter your entire life, you need to become a billionaire so you can divorce & marry younger multiple times (ie. like Donald Trump). Or you can be like Bill Clinton and have a placeholder wife/wife of convenience and cheat constantly with prostitutes and other women on the side — but you better be sure your wife won’t want a divorce if she finds out or you better be good at keeping it secret.

polishknight
polishknight
1 year ago
Reply to  TexMexBBQ

Married for 15 years and I don’t treat my wife like a queen. I respect and love her and also demand similar respect from her. It’s not equality but rather just living a wholesome life. I think if I had tried to beta male queen her, she’d have surely shit tested her way away from me a long time ago.

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  polishknight

I think it’s worth making a distinction between a man who treats his wife like a queen – as though he is her subject, and a man who treats his wife like a queen – as though he is her king.

david
david
1 year ago
Reply to  polishknight

You married her before cell phones were a thing? Different world entirely man.

david
david
1 year ago
Reply to  TexMexBBQ

… and then she’ll still divorce you because she always wanted to travel. Happened to many of my friends and family members

Steve
Steve
1 year ago

One of the few ways porn could allow you to have your cake and eat it too.

TexMexBBQ
TexMexBBQ
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve

One’s own hands get old though

Steve
Steve
1 year ago
Reply to  TexMexBBQ

So do sluts. Get a Fleshlight.

Hafthor
Hafthor
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve

Individual sluts grow old, but teens, college and high school girls are forever young <3

Eaton Beaver
Eaton Beaver
1 year ago

Don’t think this dilemma is only found in 20-somethings. For many of us, it resurfaces in our 50s. I’ve discovered a goldmine in Colombia, where you can meet madres solteras who are still attractive and will give up the poon. I’m not delusional, I know they are all looking for a gringo cajero automatico. It’s actually easier to pull it off as you get older.

david
david
1 year ago
Reply to  Eaton Beaver

Finally somebody talking some sense. Medellin? Where do you meet them?

ChimbaStar
ChimbaStar
1 year ago
Reply to  david

Saw this post by Roosh and thought…shit this guy’s reading my mind. Then I get to this comment and I’m like…ok, this is another level. They aren’t just reading my mind, they are ME.
I’ve found a great girl x2. Messed it up twice because I wanted to see what else was out there.
Now I’m in my early 40’s and single and found Medellin. I’m hitting more 24 year old’s there than I ever before in my life. It’s amazing. I want all the bang.

Eaton Beaver
Eaton Beaver
1 year ago
Reply to  ChimbaStar

I’m in my late 50s and consistently hit hot chicks in the late 30s/early 40s range. I had one that was a girlfriend for 9 months who left me because I wouldn’t leave my wife. She reappeared 9 months later to ask for money. My only advice is to be realistic and realize that money is a big part of the equation. They’re not necessarily gold-diggers, it’s just part of the culture. I have a very good female friend from Cúcuta who responded to my complaint about my girlfriend asking for money with, “well, you just want sex from her”

Eaton Beaver
Eaton Beaver
1 year ago
Reply to  david

I know a lot of people in Bogotá and usually have women meet me there. I had a girlfriend from Bucaramanga who would meet me there. I’ve been to Medellin once on business, but have never done anything socially there. I’m sure it’s amazing. Speaking Spanish opens up a lot of doors

spartacus
spartacus
1 year ago

Thank you Roosh.

polishknight
polishknight
1 year ago

This is a paradox that’s plagued the PUA community from the beginning: Game and the resultant high SMV can become addictive. For women, it sets unrealistically high standards in their youth that are unsustainable (men appear to tell her what she wants to hear, but it’s only to get laid) and for men, finally figuring out how to have sex with as many women as one wants will lead to the next-shiny-thing syndrome making it difficult to settle down.

It seems implausible to me that Roosh hasn’t found a nice girl yet worthy to settle down with. Surely his techniques to approach and close the deal with women shouldn’t limit him only to sluts. In addition, his lifestyle has allowed him to evolve almost prescient like skills to spot the kind of woman he desires and seal the deal. It’s similar to women who complain they “can’t find nice men” when their unconscious is sending out signals either driving such men away or she isn’t ready for him. I don’t mean this in a condescending manner, but Roosh should consider seeing a psychotherapist to help get a trusted 2nd party opinion as to his own motivations and long term desires.

Roosh could meet a keeper in literally less than a week if he so desired provided he released any psychological blocks and set reasonable standards (much like women need to do.) In that week he could get an 8 who would be a wonderful wife and mother of his kids even if a pain in the arse from time to time. For me, my wife at least doesn’t do drugs or have other addictions, smoke, etc. which is acceptable.

Jay
Jay
1 year ago
Reply to  polishknight

The problem is, the more women you’ve been with the harder it is to settle down with one. You always find flaws and you compare them to other women that you’ve had in the past. The standards just keep rising and you can never stop looking as a “better one” might be just around the corner.

david
david
1 year ago
Reply to  polishknight

I bet there is also some racial identity crisis with him. Should he go full middle eastern to preserve his father’s legacy? Or should he whitewash his family and have white kids with the last name Valizidah or whatever. I have a similar conflict being italian. I would like an italian wife and kids, but the women are nuts and latinas really treat me much better.

Rivera
Rivera
1 year ago

Why would a traditional woman want to marry a man who has slept with hundreds of sluts? If I had a daughter I wouldn’t let her marry a player. I’d rather have her married to a traditional man.

When you sleep with hundreds of girls you destroy yourself literally . Since you have been with such a high amount of women your expectatives of what women should be are extremely inflated. I am pretty sure that a lot of players wouldn’t marry a six even though she may be the sweetest girl in the world or would kick out their older wives for new flesh.

I am sorry but if you want to marry a traditional woman you have also to be traditional. Sleeping around is not something a traditional person does.

Being a player won’t help you to find a wife because women can smell players from miles and a goood woman doesn’t want to marry a player because they are scare of being replaced in the future by new sluts

Al Madison
Al Madison
1 year ago
Reply to  Rivera

Nonsense. First of all you would never be able to tell a “player” who was ready from marriage from any other guy. Second, MOST players end up marrying that 6. Why ?? because they have banged so many women they are no longer phased by a woman’s looks that way and select for temperament and personality.

FisherOfMen
1 year ago
Reply to  Al Madison

because they have banged so many women they are no longer phased by a woman’s looks that way and select for temperament and personality.

Similarly, a person who shoots heroin daily quickly grows bored of the dopamine high and often quits heroin to switch to something more substantive, like fine cuisine.

Big Boi
Big Boi
1 year ago
Reply to  FisherOfMen

Interesting thread going on here. So I think most of us, especially redpill & mgtows, agree that for women her pair-bonding decreases the more sexual partners she has before marriage. But many feel that men are unaffected, which I don’t agree with.

How specifically are men affected? How would you quantify the specific-side effects for a guy who have many sexual partners before marriage?

I would say they are more emotionally detached and basically view women like objects not people-so I’m agreeing with Rivera(This is an extreme case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx-p9Wr6xg0)

However, I feel many men are more confident & know how to have/sustain a LTR/marriage because of experience. But perhaps this could be avoided entirely by having strong father figures.

What do y’all think?

Bill Ferrell
Bill Ferrell
1 year ago
Reply to  FisherOfMen

Hahahaha. I see what you did there.

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  Rivera

Seconding what Al Madison said, more or less. You can tell a man isn’t serious about settling down by looking at his present behavior, regardless of how many partners he’s had. Likewise, you can tell a man IS serious about settling down by the same token.

I have no idea how many women my fiancé has slept with, but I’d imagine it’s a lot. He also gave twenty years of his life in service to our country, so I’m certainly not going to judge him for partaking of what companionship and comfort was available during a time when he was in no position to settle down.

He’s exactly the kind of man who said for years and years that he didn’t want to get married – until he met me. I’m not exactly hard on the eyes, but he could definitely still be sleeping with a succession of younger, hotter women if he wanted to.

I don’t worry about that, because it’s apparent from his behavior that he wants to be with a woman who treats him and behaves the way I do – and that’s a lot harder to come by than younger and hotter. Even if he were to suffer a momentary lapse in judgment and sleep with a younger/hotter woman, I don’t believe for one minute he’d ever leave me for that.

On the flip side, my first husband was a virgin, and ostensibly religious – as was I. He talked the talk, but he only walked the walk juuust long enough to get me firmly attached and then pulled a 180.

I’ll take a man who has had a hundred sluts and figured out that they’re disgusting over an inexperienced man who thinks he wants me to BE one any day.

Eaton Beaver
Eaton Beaver
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

When there’s a conflict between words and actions, actions ALWAYS tell the truth

Jay
Jay
1 year ago
Reply to  Rivera

They would because of social proof. The more women a man has been with the more attractive he is. Doesn’t matter if she’s “traditional” or not. The greatest man a woman could ever get (in her mind) is a player who gave up all other women just for her, because she is special.

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay

My ex-boyfriend was a player who ostensibly gave up all other women for me because I was special. I suspect that approach doesn’t work out terribly often, because no matter how much he might have wanted it, he was nowhere near ready or on the proper trajectory. It wasn’t even that he still wanted to chase other women, more like he didn’t understand that I required a different sort of dynamic/different treatment than other women – and he had this whole big life set up around NOT having those sorts of familial responsibilities, and my being special didn’t make it easier to shift gears logistically. (Either that or he was lying and I got played – I certainly acknowledge the possibility. 😆 )

My fiancé hadn’t been with anyone for a couple of years when we met. He was legitimately tired of women. 45, never married, plenty of one-nighters and casual relationships, a few long-term/cohabitation situations that put him through the wringer, and a daughter he never even knew he had until she was 20. When I found him, his wild years were already firmly behind him and he was living simply and quietly in the middle of nowhere and focusing on his hobbies.

THAT is better in my opinion, because he shifted gears for HIMSELF and not for me.

FisherOfMen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay

The more women a man has been with the more attractive he is.

There’s a limiting factor, though. This is true until the male reaches numbers that makes him a potential disease vector. For trad girls, of course, that number is pretty low– can be as low as 5.

The r-selected city-sluts have no upper limit, because they don’t have enough future planning.

Lauren
Lauren
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay

That’s only true of corrupted slutty women not traditional women. How many traditional women have you known in real life? I know more than one good young virgin girl who want marriage and family above all like myself who all want to be with young virgin men only and think men that sleep around are gross. It is gross to think that the man you’re with has inserted himself into a bunch of dirty girls in the past. There is a big risk he could pass a disease onto you and STDs can destroy a woman’s reproductive system. STDs can also kill newborn babies and they catch them from their mother during birth. We also think that a man who has been with many women will have a greater temptation to cheat and even if he doesn’t cheat, he just won’t think that sex with me is special and sacred and that is important to me as a way for us to bond and cement our closeness in the marriage. It is sad because it seems that the only virgin men left are incels who are only that way because they have no choice and fantasize about being exactly like the other guys that sleep around. I wonder if success for girls like me lies in pretending to be a catholic (I don’t believe in God) and go searching in Ireland.

Lauren
Lauren
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

I also add I think it’s attractive and manly when a man saves his virginity because it shows that he is mature, high minded, has control over his urges and can resist temptation to be a degenerate.

Big Boi
Big Boi
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

So for girls who are actually traditional and virgins(actually and not wanting to be)…what’s your ideal man like? A more masculine Tim Tebow type? Basically a guy with a lot of female attention but doesn’t cave in to it and keeps his virginity for his future wife? Also going along with the whole…he chose me over other girls that Kitty said..

Because you mention not finding incels attractive for 2 reasons:
“because they have no choice” and they “fantasize about sleeping around”

Which one of these is more important or they about the same. Seems like the rule that girls want what other girls want is always true.
Social proof/status still important to girls like you? Maybe not to super religious girls but yeah what are your thoughts? And saying its not a necessity but preferable-say a bit more than that…the “because they have no choice” says a lot lol

That being said…best wishes for finding the right husband

Lauren
Lauren
1 year ago
Reply to  Big Boi

Incels are unattractive because in their hearts they’re not much different than the people who sleep around and would sleep around if they could. They aren’t voluntarily saving their virginity or being tested by having to resist temptation. They are just virgins because they haven’t had the opportunity to lose their virginity and if they did have the opportunity to they would jump on it. I respect men who save their virginity a lot because I understand how men have such strong sexual urges and resisting the temptation is a lot harder for them than it is for me. That is why I think boys and girls should really be getting married and starting families like in their late teens and this would cut down on promiscuity so much. But that is just my opinion.

I don’t really have an ideal type man. I guess just someone who is from my culture, values monogamy and family like I do, wants to have a big family and would be a good father. Strong and firm but also kind.

Big Boi
Big Boi
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

I pretty much agree. And yes the solution would be a much earlier marriage but society almost globally has made this difficult both economically, socially, and through law. Everything is inverted. I feel most of the men who value monogamy that aren’t incels are usually religious. But another thing is that men are so emasculated now that even those who save their virginity might not be ideal, since they sadly don’t know how to handle women(It could still work out, but they act similar to the guys who “had no choice”).

There are still some men who have all the ideal traits but it is as rare as finding an attractive virgin girl(Maybe not as rare, but still rare–and going a century or two back this wasn’t a problem). The odds are stacked now, but if there’s a will, theres a way hopefully.

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

Lauren, I hope to goodness that you are able to find an honorable man who sees eye to eye with you and meets your standards. I can’t argue with what you want or your reasoning. I felt much the same my first go-round, and I bet I still would if things had turned out differently for me.

But what I’ve come to understand in the dozen years or so since my first wedding day is that there is no checklist that guarantees us anything upon its completion. There are flaws in everyone and everything, including our perceptions. You can find a man who seems absolutely perfect, and still have the rug yanked out from under you a few years down the road.

I’ve also come to understand that people learn a lot more from the things they’ve done than from the things they haven’t – and in that same vein, you can generally ascertain quite a bit more about a person’s character and mettle from the lessons they have learned from their mistakes, than by merely taking inventory of the mistakes themselves.

That’s not to say that anybody ought to compromise on the standards they feel most strongly about. Especially when you have taken care to consistently live up to those standards yourself. It IS to say that many people who have made mistakes are capable of learning from them, and capable of being good spouses, good parents, and good upstanding members of their communities.

You seem to be dogmatic about your disbelief in God, to the point where you reject the notion of repentance and are looking for someone with an absolutely spotless material record. Problem is that in this crazy world, most people with a spotless record are simply untested.

It’s awfully cliché to say that it matters less where you’ve been than where you’re going, but it’s certainly true to a point. My own commitment to the path I’m on now is fortified by my working knowledge of where the other path goes.

Lauren
Lauren
1 year ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Yes and that’s the scary thing Kitty I am afraid of intimacy because I am terrified that somebody will hurt me or do something bad to me. I have a fairy tale idea in my head of what life should be like but so nervous to take the leap and start the life I wish for. So much could go wrong it feels safer to sit on the sidelines and watch life pass me by even though I know that’s not what I want and that I will be miserable in the end.

Jed E Mask
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

Lauren, your situation caught my attention.

I’d advise you to seek out the help of your father or elder men of your family (to help prepare you for a good husband.

Please trust on Jesus Christ the Son of God and be saved.

You show promise…

Hoping and praying God’s Best for you in HIS WILL. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Kitty Tantrum
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

I had those fairytale ideations myself, and the first couple years of my relationship with my first husband really did feel like I was living that fairytale. Then it all came crashing down, and a big part of that was because I idealized HIM as the perfect husband because he had all of these “qualifications” that made me so sure that he would never be the sort to cheat, leave the marriage, etc.

I also felt so strongly about remaining a virgin before marriage, and about doing everything I could to keep the marriage and family together – the idea of starting over as “used goods” with a couple of children in tow was more immediately and viscerally terrifying than anything he asked me to participate in.

He didn’t even have a particularly “strong frame” so to speak, but I fell into it regardless because of how I thought things were “supposed to be.”

So I completely understand your fears. I’ve been there.

And I wouldn’t go back and change any of it if I had to give up the children I have now.

Who is to say that if I had passed over my first husband – if I hadn’t jumped at the first reasonable opportunity to start a family with a man who seemed to meet my qualifications – that I would have had children at all?

Being childless at 32 would be a lot worse (to me, anyway) than anything I’ve had to go through.

And I’ve learned a lot of lessons that I wouldn’t be equipped to pass along to my children and the younger generation at large if I’d never had to face up to the pain and hardships that my poorer and more naive decisions have brought me.

There’s a good chance you won’t get exactly the life that you wish for. I think that all we can really do is to identify what is most important to us, and decide that it’s WORTH IT no matter what.

For me, raising children is my purpose. I’ve known that since I was teeny tiny. Of course I wanted a perfect marriage, too, but waiting years and years to find the perfect husband and finding that I could no longer bear children… THAT would have been failure for me.

As it is, I have a good enough family – and my children’s father has a good enough family (even though he’s ended up a bit of a black sheep), that the dissolution of that marriage is really a lot less dire than it felt with the perspective I had a few years ago. The marriage hurt me, and ending it hurt me, but my children have a good “village” regardless.

I say forget about safety and prepare yourself to struggle and fight for what you believe in. Make the best decisions you can with the information and resources you have. If something goes sideways and you stumble or fall or get pushed over, stand back up and keep fighting. Isn’t that what you would do for your children if you already had them? I think it’s worth doing the same to bring them into the world.

Haha
Haha
1 year ago

It’s a very fortunate thing you sexually defunct sterile fools are addicted to cuck porn watching other men with big dicks plow women you could never have. Breeding your tiny dick arses right out of the gene pool is a blessing for mankind. Yay for porn, keep it up!

Timur
Timur
1 year ago
Reply to  Haha

Pornsluts can be hired as escorts. Not cheap (300-400/ hour) but totally feasible to “date” a pornslut.
They make a discount if you hired them for 24h. Less exhausting to service one guy than 4 at the same time, i guess.

pbw
pbw
1 year ago

lol. Roosh has not even hit 40 yet. I was 40 when I started my pua journey and at 45 had my most exciting sexual peak — only now at 57 am I slowing down and have forced myself into no porn and no fap — which is challenging.

Rickson
Rickson
1 year ago

Roosh, what if you went during a player phase into a relationship thinking that your urges to meet other women will cease, only to find out that they still exist.
Should I just accept that the urge will be there whether in a relationship or not, and enjoy the time left with my girlfriend?
As you and other men with high notches have stated, 100 bangs did not change you. So maybe I should trust the conclusions of the men before me.

al madison
al madison
1 year ago
Reply to  Rickson

Men are meant to bang period.
Solution:
keep the main woman and keep mistresses………….

men have doing this since biblical times…………

Lauren
Lauren
1 year ago
Reply to  al madison

This is evil because the man in question either has his mistress on contraception (and contraception is evil) or he is having a bunch of children he cannot afford to provide for.

He can be spreading diseases to his wife which could spread to their unborn children, possibly causing death.

He is corrupting other women (the mistresses) and if you care not for the suffering of women, mind that he is hurting men by corrupting another man’s daughter, sister, or future wife.

He is taking away women from other men when they could be marrying and having children with someone else instead of being a side-piece.

The purpose of sex is procreation and subverting that for the sake of hedonism is evil.

Sites like this one should normally be condemned but this one is so very valuable because it details the exploits of a man who has been through the hedonistic sex life, found the truths of it and is humble enough to share that with others.

Timur
Timur
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

If STD’s are such a thing, icelanders and africans would be long dead. As well as most of europeans and asians.
Besides, the “purpose of sex is procreation” argument is way retarded.
If true, women would be in heat twice a year, and have no sexual urges otherwise. Yet even spayed human females have sexual needs.
Pretty much all wives would not appreciate to be reduced to a womb, touched only during ovulations and discarded during pregnancy, which will force their mate to seek release with other women, then justifying polygamy.
And if this the way you see relationships, why should a man invests time and efforts in you, if he can hire some broke girl as a surrogate, without the risk of having his child take away from him, as he will pay for full custody ?
Maybe you should consider doing this to make some bucks, and have alot of kids you’ll never know

Big Boi
Big Boi
1 year ago
Reply to  Timur

The purpose of sex is not just procreation but also pair bonding between a couple(which benefits the nurture for the procreations). This is sadly getting destroyed the more sexual partners we have.

And I agree/know the system is messed up to the point that starting a family/getting married is clearly not worth it unless ur willing to have ur nuts basically tied to the state.

But “hire a broke girl as a surrogate.”C’mon bruther! At least for me I’d want my kids to have a real mother(and father).

Let’s not entertain the surrogate option anymore than marriage in a broken system/society.

William
William
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

Dude, a man with a mistress is essentially a man with multiple wives. Polygamy would solve all of these issues. He would have his cake and eat it too. All of the women would be his wives. This would allow the man to have a diverse sex life and not corrupt anyone. All the women would be well taken care of.

Dust850
Dust850
1 year ago
Reply to  al madison

Exactly. Roosh is presenting a false dichotomy here. The urge to bang sluts and have a good girl do not have to be mutually exclusive. The non western world does it all the time and their families are much more intact than ours.

Rickson
Rickson
1 year ago
Reply to  Roosh

Thanks for the advice Roosh.
I will stay in the relationship for now and focus on my goals since pussy is guaranteed and no time goes to chasing poon.
Let the time tell what happens.

Big Boi
Big Boi
1 year ago
Reply to  Roosh

Roosh, just wanted to say, that with the Red Pill and mgtow growing so much now, and the world changing the way it is….you were ahead of things 5-7 years back.

You got a lot of hate(still do), and your opinions weren’t generally accepted, and maybe you didn’t get every single detail, but you accurately foresaw the trends taking the world by storm. I’m sure there were others, but not with the same depth; plus you really went out on a limb for the time(Mostly regarding the dynamic between the sexes).

Myname1
Myname1
1 year ago

I am getting more and more impressed with these articles, this blog.

NKU
NKU
1 year ago

It all comes down to vulnerability in the end.

If you are in the so-called excitement phase and chasing after the next young thing, then you don’t care much what happens with the previous one. You have not invested anything, either financially or emotionally. You don’t care at all what she says to you, or how she acts around you. It’s all a game. And if the next one rejects you or gets bored, then so what. There is no oneitis problem, and no commitment. You stay lean, you move on, and you keep going.

Contrast this with when you find a wife-material girl who is worth keeping. Your life experience, along with the marriage laws and feminist culture have hammered it into your head, that if you settle down with her, that your relationship will be just as fragile as the next one. AWALT. Fifty plus percent divorce rate. She can betray you and walk away, at any moment, and you lose everything. Examples everywhere: she takes the house, she takes the kids, she has the power to wreck you and make you start all over again, at a much older age when you would want to have some family comfort. So when your wife-material girlfriend asks you “Hey, I want to know, where is this relationship going?” — what do you tell her?

I think the “have good girlfriend but want to bang sluts dilemma” is how this unconscious vulnerability problem plays itself out in the mind of late-20-something year old males, with average SMVs. As other users have pointed out, if your SMV was super high, or you if you had fuck you money, then there would be no dilemma. You could procreate in much more creative ways, like that Japanese billionaire’s son, who fathered more than 13 surrogate kids in Thailand. Or you would be a Chad, and can cuck other men or build a harem of corporate whores. Meanwhile, at the opposite end of the SMV spectrum, you have incels who will have to accept being cucks or bisexual friends or whatever self-deprecating bullshit just for the small chance of procreating.

God help us all.

Jay
Jay
1 year ago

The solution is easy. Have a girlfriend/wife but cheat on her with sluts. Be careful to not be found out and never in any circumstance admit to having cheated. It works.

NKU
NKU
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay

That only works in Asian countries.

al madison
al madison
1 year ago
Reply to  NKU

Africa and Latin America and Eastern Europe and Caribbean as well.

FisherOfMen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay

Nothing says “I love you” like bringing potential STDs onto the toilet seat you kids use.

Diddly squat
Diddly squat
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay

Cool Jay, now fuck off with your putrid mentality. Hope your cheating wife brings you Tyrone’s gonorrhea.

jfmario
jfmario
1 year ago

Monogamist here.

This is a good post but I’d like to point out one thing, which is that you probably don’t need to wait until you feel like you are all done with excitement. I married early before any adventurous phase, so I don’t even have a good understanding for what I’ve missed (and I probably don’t want to have a good understanding), but after having committed to a marriage early, the problem of what I’ve missed/am missing doesn’t come up that often.

But it does sometimes, mostly when we’re fighting or otherwise strained (“ugh I’d take anyone else but you right now” may pop in to mind during those circumstances). Point being that if you’re in this bind you shouldn’t wait until you’re confident that you feel like adventure is done (I doubt it would ever be gone for most people). You just have to at some point make a decision with the knowledge that at certain times you will have to deal with the emotions of “what if I had done otherwise”. Its highly manageable and is mostly limited to the bad times of a relationship which you will learn to make less frequent with time as you come to understand each other more.

Again, no idea what the other side of the coin is like but the cost of settling early isn’t at all debilitating. Just occasional wanderlust.

Boony
Boony
1 year ago

Wow, this post couldn’t have hit me harder. I currently have a good girl who loves me very much and willing to follow me around the world and do whatever I want. The sex just doesn’t do it for me and I cannot stop thinking about banging sluts or the previous sluts I have banged. I’m in early 30s and really thought I had my fair share when I entered the relationship as for the previous year or 2 I had severe player burn out and didn’t care anymore. But the desire is back and back in a big way, so torn what to do.

I have a friend who I think has the best situation as he married young to a sweet girl and already has a son, however she will fully let’s him play up when he goes away with the lads. She insists she is ok with it as it’s just instinct for him and as long as she hears nothing about it and sees no trace, it’s all OK as long as out of the city they live. One in a million he got himself there

Dangling Chad
Dangling Chad
1 year ago
Reply to  Boony

When he’s away she’s lighting the wick herself mate.

Ryan Lewis
Ryan Lewis
1 year ago

Happy that I dont have this problem. Ive banged close to 100 women and finally met my snowflake. I have the odd perv for sure but i dont feel tempted anymore because ive quenched my thirst and know what its like being on the otherside

splooge
splooge
1 year ago

so true, definitely saw this growing up comparing tradional and “modern” dating aka east and west. ONe has stability and other has freedom and both look at each other with greener grass.

old school latin italian culture the boy would just practice on a bunch of hookers to get what ever kinky notch out of his system like black blonde redhead etc and save relationships with good girls.

not advocating p4p but that seems to be the case as you hone your game to find a wife.
slut chasing is a hamster wheel thatll keep you going and never satisfied.

Vincent Vinturi
Vincent Vinturi
1 year ago

This is a false dichotomy.

The WAY to stay interested in your primary partner long term is to discreetly and safely get your variety on the side as most of Asia does. But not only Asia.

There’s Italian culture which has the gumada phenomenon. Islam and Mormonism has its multiple wives. As do various African countries. South American men tend to just fuck around nilly willy; not as sophisticated an approach. Basically all Japanese men go to prostitutes. Etc, etc.

You’ll never eliminate the need for variety by your own admission. So the answer is to compartmentalize that part of your life.

There’s sex for the sake of satisfying the need for variety, which by your own admission is insatiable, and then there’s a partnership with somebody you trust to be a good friend, a good wife and a good mother.

There’s no reason you should ever mix the two, and there’s no reason you shouldn’t have both. In fact I’m convinced that one of the keys to staying interested in your primary partner long term and keeping your mojo high is to get your kicks discreetly on the side from time to time.

Lauren
Lauren
1 year ago

This is very evil because you are spending resources on chasing women for cheap thrills instead of spending them on your family. You are risking spreading STDs to the mother of your children because you want a selfish thrill. You are dirtying yourself and weakening the bond between you, sex is supposed to be a sacred and special thing between two people who love each other. Not something dirty done for a cheap thrill. STDs spread to your newborn baby can kill him. Contraception is evil. The purpose of sex is procreation and subverting that for the sake of hedonism is evil.

Vincent VInturi
Vincent VInturi
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

Oh please lady, get off your high horse.

In the first place, how a man spends his resources is his business and nobody else’s.

Secondly, you are not NOT spending them on your family. You’re spending a rather insignificant amount of money (or none at all because nobody is saying you have to go to a pro) to prevent the boredom and burnout that occur from having sex with the same woman over and over again. IF you even have sex anymore past a certain point.

It is a studied, documented phenomenon that men who mate with a variety of partners have a greater appetite for their primary partner. It’s called the Coolidge effect.

Your view of resource expenditure is myopic. It’s an investment not an expense, in the longevity of your relationship by maintaining sexual interest long past the point where most monogamous couples become tepid.

In terms of STDs, that is the only legitimate point in your argument. It’s something you should treat very seriously by being extra careful and safe. DOes that guarantee you won’t get something (like herpes which can be transmitted whether you use protection or not)? No, of course not.

But did you and your long term partner both go to the hospital to test for every disease great or small before you hopped into bed? Or were you just selfish and evil and did it anyway? Most people aren’t even aware of many STDs that are rarely tested for unless specifically requested, like mycoplasmas, ureaplasmas, HPVs, HSV, cytomegalovirus, hepatitis, and others. Do you have all of these reports ready to show a prospective sex partner, and do they have it to show you?

Did you do that with every partner you ever slept with before you slept with them? Or are you both just EVIL?

In terms of weakening your bond with your partner: you are confusing what bonds a man to a woman in a long term relationship with a physical need that men need to satisfy from time to time. Men choose long term partners based on a woman’s character (in an ideal world) and her ability to be a good partner and mother in their common vision for their lives. You don’t choose her based on how hot the sex is (at least that should be a distant consideration). So you weaken absolutely nothing because you are scratching an itch that she can’t scratch. You are in fact strengthening your bond. But I certainly don’t expect anybody to understand or agree with my rather unpopular view on this topic.

Finally “the purpose of sex is procreation” is you being intellectually dishonest. That is ONE purpose of sex. There are at least several more that are obvious to anybody speaking truthfully.

– Pleasure
– Improved hormonal profile
– Improved emotional profile
– IMproved prostate health
– Better sleep
– Better ability to concentrate

Caged animals have sex solely for procreation.

Lauren
Lauren
1 year ago

Explain all this to your wife when she wonders why she has to have a c-section to prevent spreading life-threatening herpes to your newborn son or if she finds herself unable to conceive after some other STD has destroyed her internal reproductive system.

The previous article on this site before this one explained how casual sex lowers the bond between partners. Sleeping with other people damages your bond and you’re just rationalizing your desire for cheap thrills. Infidelity is betrayal plain and simple it shows you have no honour or loyalty. Sex is an intimate act and any man who will cheat with some random dirty girl has shown that sex is not an intimate act to him, or special, it’s just a past time. Do you think your son would be proud to learn that you fucked around on his mother?

Yes I would agree to test for every disease before marriage if my partner wanted to. But I do believe it is impossible to carry an STD if the marriage partners are virgins and enter a lifetime monogamous marriage.

Even if you don’t spend them on a prostitute you still have to spend time and resources on a woman you’re having sex with, time and resources taken away from your home life with your family. A loyal and good woman doesn’t deserve to be punished with betrayal and risk of disease. Even if you don’t care about women, by using some side woman as a sexual plaything you are ruining the daughter, sister, or future wife of one of your fellow men.

Sluts and cads ruin the whole society especially now that they are breeding antibiotic resistant diseases. The whole society is sick and rotten to the core and it’s because of peoples stupid lust, greed, and gluttony.

Lauren
Lauren
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

Noble people are here to strengthen their families and communities not pursue selfish hedonism and weaken it. If you’re bored of having sex with the same woman why don’t you do things like buy her wigs and roleplay costumes. Ask her to lose or gain 15 pounds so her body changes. Then you can sometimes pretend she’s a new woman or something. Ask her to act with a different persona for fun so you get some novelty. Some people might not be able to afford such novelties but if a man has the money to waste on pursuing sex outside the marriage then he can afford such things I’m sure. Or give your wife money that she can invest in her appearance. Much of a woman’s appearance is just bought with cosmetics, clothing, hair and skin products, etc. Real life is the opposite of what you’re saying. I’ve known families torn apart by infidelity. It wasn’t an investment in their relationship at all.

William
William
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

This is easy to say because you don’t have a penis. You have NO idea how strong our sex drive is. Whatever you imagine multiply it by 10. This is how strong the need for sexual variety is in a man. So you are speaking from a very limited perspective. Sometimes we need to be humble and realize that we all speak from limited perspectives. It is very difficult for a man to control his sexual urges. Men are only as loyal as their options. So allowing a husband to SAFELY get some side action is understandable.

Vincent Vinturi
Vincent Vinturi
1 year ago
Reply to  Lauren

Points well taken.

Vincent Vinturi
Vincent Vinturi
1 year ago

I disagree with your points about infidelity or the weakening of bonds, but I share your concern about STDs.

William
William
1 year ago

Bro I totally agree and this is one of the best responses I have ever encountered on this topic. The problem is that men in Western world have inherited this guilt complex around this topic of cheating. American television has made cheating into the biggest offense a male partner can make. The truth is that sexual fidelity is very low on the list of what makes a good husband. Resources, emotional stability, fatherhood skills are all way higher on the list then sexual fidelity.

The rest of the worlds ( Latin America, Asia, Africa etc) has already successfully dealt with this issue. The cultures that accept polygamy has very efficiently dealt with this issue. Allow a man to have multiple wives and everyone wins. The mistresses get taken care of and the main chick also gets taken care of. In fact humans were probably meant to live in small tribes where all the women take care of each others children like sister wives.

Dangling Chad
Dangling Chad
1 year ago

If you want to say AWALT so don’t settle down, fine. But once you walk that aisle you better fulfill your lust in her. Wives are ready and willing to give it up to their husbands when he is a man worthy of her submission. Game has helped me in marriage more than it ever helped me in chasing skirt. Get married, bang her like a whore, husband her like a beloved friend and cherish her like your momma if she’s given you children. But always hold frame and lead with a firm hand. Wives are dying to be dominated by a strong husband.

FSK
FSK
1 year ago
Edward Easterling
Edward Easterling
1 year ago

I probably shouldn’t say anything. Only, I feel like banging sluts destroyed my soul. It’s nearly impossible for me, age 53, to bond with a woman now. Truth is I no longer care about women. I don’t hate them. I am indifferent to them.
When I was younger I wouldn’t have known a good girl if she kissed me. Sad.
It’s simple. There’s nothing special about any of us. If a good girl loves you, you better stick with her.
Good article Roosh.

Albert
Albert
1 year ago

I am 27, I have a really nice and submissive girlfriend and I look those little sluts disgusted. For sure I would bang them but then I think about the effort I would put into just for entering a wet hole when I have a much-better person at home which supports me, cooks and joins my activities. I immediately change my mind and I feel happy to be in a healthy relationship. Will things change? Maybe, but so far I enjoy it. Plus, not thinking about banging sluts all the time gives me much more time for pursuing other activities such as learning foreign languages and sports.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Albert

I love submissive girls its really fun. Your gf sounds amaxibg

Tom
Tom
1 year ago
Reply to  Albert

You’re doing the right thing, use the extra time to build a better life. More money, more freedom.

Tom
Tom
1 year ago

Unfortunately, this is a dilemma I’ve learnt from the hard way…

I met my ex during a ‘hot streak’ where I was seeing 4 other chicks. She was really, really into the relationship and showered me in love and affection.

She was a genuinely lovely girl. 10 years younger, very pretty. A solid 8, mostly due to her youth. Perfect skin, nice figure, but more importantly kind and genuine.

Didn’t drink, didn’t smoke. Didn’t have a single night out with her friends during out year together.

I fucked up by dreaming about my game days, didn’t commit fully. I moved away for work and we ended up breaking up.

I have banged 10 new girls in the 9 months since we split. It’s never felt more empty. I’ve finally understood the transient stimulation of casual sex is nothing but an illusion.

As a man, it’s important to develop the understanding of female nature, and characteristics that allow you to attract a high quality woman. However, once you’re there, don’t get stuck in the loop of endlessly chasing new girls.

Look at the older RSD guys. Look at guys like Tom Torero. It’s embarrassing for a grown man’s life to be consumed by the pursuit of sex.

Family, friendship, honour, faith. These are the things we should cherish and cultivate in our 30s and 40s.

Don’t fool yourself. The 38 year old PUA with 100s of notches, waiting a couple of years before he ‘settles down’ is the equivalent of a 29 year old office girl perusing tinder for hot guys, thinking she can find ‘the one’ once she’s done being used as a walking cum receptacle.

The truth is life is about sacrifice.

If you want family, a partner, a none-solitary future – you need to learn to sacrifice the thrill of chasing young flesh. It becomes more and more meaningless. Find higher goals, and find someone worth investing in to share your life with.

Good women, even more so than good men, are rare. If you find one, I’d advise not fucking it up.

On your death bed, whilst your life flitters by, ask yourself.. will you regret not fucking more sluts or will you regret letting someone you had a genuine connection with slip through your fingers and into somebody else’s arms?

K Vizzle
K Vizzle
1 year ago

I was lucky. I had a great girl, I broke up with her and banged sluts for a couple of years and then got her back. We have been happily married now for 10 years.

JVWright
JVWright
1 year ago

JRR Tolkien who’s wife & muse inspired him to write Lord of the Rings even had his doubts & troubles. His take on it explaining it to his son is something truly noteworthy: https://www.catholicgentleman.net/2015/07/tolkien-speaks-the-secret-to-a-happy-marriage/

SaugaMan
SaugaMan
1 year ago

I wish you chose a different picture…