Why Fat People Don’t Mind Being Fat

It took me a while to figure this one out.

Around my skinny, health-conscious friends, the topic has come up on how fat people can stand to be fat. “It’s not that hard to lose weight,” one would say. “I wouldn’t allow myself to get big,” another would add.

What we didn’t understand is that most fatties fatten up in adolescence. In high school and college, during the toughest stage of their life to be fat because of taunts, snickers, and a lack of sex during perhaps the horniest stage in their life (and don’t give me that feminist bullshit that a woman’s libido peaks in her 30’s), they are still unable to lose the weight. Then they become adults where being fat is far easier. There are fewer taunts, less people openly judging them, and they now have better access to millions of hours of hot porn. Whatever motivation to lose weight is diminished since in our politically correct society no one is going to get on them for being overweight, not even family members.

In conclusion, it is nearly painless to be fat as a adult in the United States.

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I do agree with that idea. whats interesting is the people who were very fit in college/high school who later become fat and disgusting?….

I have seen this alot recently mostly with friends who have gotten into LTRs and given up.

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this is similar to how ugly people don’t freak out about aging as much as beautiful people, because they don’t have as far to fall. if you’ve been fat when it most mattered — when you’re young — then it’s not a big step down to continue being fat when you’re older and everyone else around you is getting fat to join you in your misery. since 50% of americans are clinically overweight, it’s like the entire country has become a support group for fatties.

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its true. In my case I dont mind much because a)I have a gorgeous face that isnt fat at all b) Im half Cuban and genetically blessed with a VERY good figure. My size 10 body has humongous boobs, small waist, flat belly, big butt and thighs, etc. c) all types of men still want to bang me or date me and even pay for the privilege. d) Im healthy. So yes I make an effort and never get bigger than a US size 10 Medium. But does being overweight bother me a whole lot? Nope! And I love steak 👅

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The worst is the often used, “thyroid” problem! If I hear that then I immediately discount every other word the person says.

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The worst is the often used, �thyroid� problem! If I hear that then I immediately discount every other word the person says.

That’s usually something women say. For their part, men explain fatness by saying “I have a big frame” (reality check: you probably don’t know what it means, and you almost certainly don’t have one), or “I weigh a lot because I’m all muscle (reality check: unless you’re a serious athlete, you don’t).

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Anybody who has done even the slightest bit of research into this subject knows how silly what you’ve written is. Google metabolism and lipin to start learning something. I’d write more, but I need to go take my thyroid medication.

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I know plenty of miserable fatties. They’re miserable because they’re fat. Then again, they’re all under age 30

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The studies I’ve seen suggest that people who are inactive when young tend to just have weight issues as they get older. That if they don’t have physical hobbies while younger, it’s less likely they will when older.

What this suggests is that the record setting numbers for overweight teens due to video games and such will lead to a fatter generation of Americans who will continue to do less physical activity.

And some of these kids you see are absolutely huge. I don’t recall seeing so many severely obese teens back in the day.

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roosh, i’m a big fan of yours, but i think you’re a being contradictory. I thought you were a cynic of the constructed social norms and views in America but with you’re statement “it is nearly painless to be fat as a adult in the United States” you seem to applaud the constructed social views of fat people in other countries. Not hatin, just looking for a point of clarification.

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I’m a skinny guy and 95% of it is attributable to my genetics. In other words, I’m thin through NO effort of my own. I eat ridiculous amounts and I simply can’t gain weight — women may boil at this but as a guy, not being able to gain weight is a curse in itself. In fact, I’d argue that gaining weight is harder than losing weight (people lose weight just by sitting and doing nothing but burning calories while trying to gain weight is like paddling upstream, you gotta paddle somewhat just to maintain your current position).

Nevertheless, I do NOT cast aspersions on people who are significantly overweight. If I had their genes, I’d be fat too. Of course, everyone can lose some amount of weight if they watch their calories and exercise more. But you’re not going to drop from 350lbs to 120lbs through exercise and less food alone (unless you starve of course).

Also, people in lower economic groups are limited to cheap calories and can’t afford the designer organic goods from Whole Foods that SWPL folks can.

This being said, I am not a fan of the BBW phenomenon, where you condone your fatness and then try to trick yourself into believing that being fat is ok. There’s two responses to a bad situation — getting out of it or deceiving yourself into thinking that it’s okay.

I won’t make fun of someone’s weight but I won’t buy the self-deluding notion that being big and unhealthy is acceptable.

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Most teenage boys can eat without gaining a pound. Wait until you’re 30. It wears off.

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Everyone wants to blame their weight on their genes. It’s just a convenient way of taking the blame off themselves. Why are there so few fat people in Japan or S. Europe? Why don’t they have the 50% overweight rate that we have in the USA if weight is so out of people’s control? I think it’s a rare exception when someone simply cannot lose weight due to their body’s metabolism. And those people have my sympathy.

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Agree with #9. I actually think Roosh wrote awhile back at the end of the day it’s calories in vs calories out. You want to lose weight, adjust either or both. And stick with it. Eat rice, fish and vegetables endlessly and you’ll be skinny like the Japanese.

At the end of the day it takes massive habit change and a lot of time to effectively lose weight. Losing more than a pound a week is unhealthy, and unlikely to stay off. If you’re 300 pounds, it’s a long journey (2 years!) to 200 pounds. That’s two years of a discipline that you didn’t have the rest of your life– and that’s just to get weight under control.

In a country of shortcut seekers, it’s no surprise fat people stay fat. You need an iron will to get skinny, and most people–fat or not–don’t have that.

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People are fat in America for two reasons:

1. People Drive and don’t walk.

2. The food in our country is factory farmed crap. (Taste a tomato in Australia and you will see, or any foreign country for that matter).

If you want to stay in shape:

1. Ditch the car. Walk and Work out everyday.

2. Eat well.

I smoke, drink, eat like a pig, but I still am in Amazing shape because I work out everyday, walk and try to eat decent foods.

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It is NOT as simple as calories in vs. calories out. Human metabolism is not a simple thermodynamic machine. Your body can burn through substantially more or less calories at the cellular level depending on hormone profiles and food intake (more food raises metabolism). What you eat can dramatically move around insulin, growth hormone, and testosterone levels. These in turn instruct your body to become more or less lean or store fat, and also drive your appetite.

Americans are fat because the diet is loaded with sugar and starch. Period. In the countries where people are even fatter, like Mexico, they eat yet more sugar and starch.

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Roosh,

Enjoy the blog but you may be a bit off on this one.

I used to play offensive line in hs/univ football and at my max weighed 267 pounds due to needing to have a large gut for low center of gravity.

Being overweight is easy, you just get to eat alot and given that sugar/carbs can exhibit the same traits as an addition, it is very tough to break the cycle to eat less and very easy to stay in the groove.

After university I lost nearly 90 pounds in a span of 10 months and by no means was it easy. It meant learning about nutrition, understanding calories, carbs, fats, and how to provide your body with the right amount.

It meant breaking the addition to carbs, which was likely as tough as it is to quit smoking.

It also meant eating far less than normal every day. You see, when not considering the metabolism factor, the average male consumes about 2500 calories a day to maintain their weight. Subsequently, there are approx 3500 calories per pound of fat.

Very basically, every calorie worth of energy you eat more than your daily allowance, you gain weight, every calorie less you lose weight.

Simple math will tell you that in order for me to lose that 90 pounds in 10 months I had to eat 1000 or more less calories a day than normal or exercise more to burn more, which the equiv of skipping a meal (not healthy) or eating far smaller portions. I took the route of eating less and survived on approx an average of about 1500 calories a day.

This was by no means easy and took firm disciplined dedication to achieve. It meant going through christmas feeling like an ass for refusing to eat people’s baked goods when visiting friends and family and meant quite a few dates where I ate far less than the girl and made myself out to be ‘weird’. You have to turn down any and every offer for food and read every label for everything you eat, day in and day out, and pay attention to every single thing you put into your mouth.

Contrast this to eating an extra 100 calories a day (2600 total) for 10 years will easily cause you to gain 100 pounds. Take a look at the next food you put in your mouth and figure out how easy it is to eat an extra 100 calories in a day.

Thats like half a bag of chips or half a chocolate bar. It isn’t much. Eating a little more is easy, eating less is difficult, especially when you’re already significantly overweight. On top of that, you’ve got to have the knowledge to know what you’re doing and how to do it in a healthy manner.

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@speakeasy: check your facts. there is a rising obesity and related diseases epidemic happening in japan, and it’s directly correlated to the vast availability of american fast food. it’s also interesting that in countries where being fat is an attribute, it’s because in those cultures, fat equals wealth and prosperity. in this country, the majority of overweight and unhealthy folks are lower or lower middle class.

is it possible to be fat and happy? speaking from personal experience: yep. i fully realize that i’m in the minority, but here is the reality: i’m in spinning class three days a week, yoga four times a week, i walk everywhere, been a vegetarian for the last 18 years, shop at the farmer’s market every week, have an enviable boyfriend, a career that i love and that lets me have my own lovely apartment in expensive-ass san francisco, amazing friends, am crafty as a motherfucker….i could go on. oh, and i’m 5’5″ and 185 pounds.

my point? be careful of casting disparaging judgments on an entire class of people. everyone has their own thing going on, and making assumptions about the happiness of others is shallow and ignorant, at best.

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there is no way the gargantuan obesity epidemic in america is genetic in origin because genes cannot change that radically and substantially across an entire population of millions in just one or two generations. use some common sense people.

now there may be an interaction of genes and environment that is contributing to the increase in mass tonnage. namely, that our prehistoric genetic legacy is primed for a pre-agricultural diet of meat, foraged plant food, and nuts, and the modern diet of high glycemic carbs and HFCS makes it easier for us to pack on the pounds. but that is no excuse. if sugary snacks and pasta are making you fat, STOP EATING THEM. it’s not your fucking thyroid.

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If I had three arms, I would sit around and wonder how to get three armed shirts. But since I don’t have three arms (maybe three legs)… it don’t. Since I’m not fat, and all my friends are skinny or athletic, why would I waste even a moment thinking about this?

In conclusion, when you don’t have anything else to do with your day, you sit around trying to figure out why people are fat.

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@8–I’ve always been jealous of guys like you. I have no problem at all putting on muscle. Just do some hard lifting and eat a little protein and I can easily pack on lbs. of muscle. Its the fat I have trouble losing. Meanwhile I have friends that do little to no working out and they have little fat or even something close to a six pack. I guess the grass is always greener.

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The fatties *do* affect me. They are visual pollution. I have been at various public places and been conscious of how all the obese people are making me uncomfortable and disgusted. Wondering why so many people are fat isn’t crazy. Also, I subsidize their health care.

I reject both the “genetics/thyroid” lines of thought and also the cultural/willpower explanations. The obesity epidemic is from clearly understood changes in the diet over the last 30 years. Namely, sugar and starch intake and a decline in fat/oil intake. Saying it’s a willpower thing throughout society is a bit like calling birds stupid for flying into windmills. They can’t help it. The changes in diet stem directly from government subsidies and regulations that obstruct and encourage different kinds of foods. The completely wrongheaded diet advice trumpeted for the last 20 years also worsens things.

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Being fat, just like being flamboyantly gay, thuggish, or stupid has the benefits from our “Don’t Judge Me” culture as you’re hitting on.

Everything is too sacred to be judged anymore. What this culture needs is a lot more judgement. Fat people need to be told they are fat, and that it is unhealthy for themselves and disgusting to look at. Religious zealots need to be told that their beliefs are ridiculous instead of the PC eggshell-walking most engage in.

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> Fat people need to be told they are fat, and that it is unhealthy for themselves and disgusting to look at.

Fat people spend billions trying to get thin and always fail. The issue is not that they are too comfortable being fat. The issue is they get horrible instructions on how to lose weight. Spending hours on a treadmill and skipping steak in favor of pasta is EXACTLY the wrong prescription, but this is what they are told to do.

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5″5 185!?! Heather is built like a boxing glove.

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it is nearly painless to be fat as a adult in the United States.

America is trying to subvert the world imposing its obesity on us all. Americans, go home!

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roosh, you’re right: i totally forgot to mention that in my spare time i gorge on fast food and twinkies. my bad.

way to be a close-minded person and miss my point entirely.

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Heather, your point is that you’re a self delusional attention whore thinking that writing a bunch of crap will gain you acceptance on a blog like this?

I think we got your point entirely.

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this is AMERICA! to be Fat is to be American. to be American is to be Fat. we like fatty foods, and our typical exercise consist of walking to our cars and to our fridges.

god bless America.

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hahahahahahaha….heather’s fat

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heather, are you familiar with the ethiopian famine of the mid-1980s? millions starving, and a bunch of euro pop stars got together and wrote a song called “do they know its christmas?” and sang feed the world. bob geldof organized charities. the media was streaming video and pics from ethiopia during that famine.

care to guess how many of those ethiopians were fat?
yeah, not a one.
you can try to fool everyone here but you can’t fool the second law of thermodynamics — if you eat less food you will lose weight.

heather, you are a big fat bowling ball. 5’5″ 185 lbs is disgustingly obese on anyone who isn’t a world class male bodybuilder or powerlifter. if you aren’t lying about your exercise regimen and your vegetarianism, then the simple conclusion remains that you are eating way too much plant food or ice cream and/or exercising with the intensity of a slug for you to be that fat. because i guarantee that if you ate 200 calories worth of food per day for the next two months you WILL lose weight. there is no getting around that law of biochemistry.

oh, and i don’t believe you have an “enviable” boyfriend. you are either lying about that or deliberately misconstruing the meaning of “enviable” to assuage your ego. to clear the air, answer the following questions about your BF:

how tall is he?
how much does he weigh?
does he have all his hair?
do other women check him out when you are out with him on the town?
what is his occupation?
does he have an arrest record?
what is his level of education?
does he watch nascar regularly?
how much money does he make?
is he, or has he ever been, a drunk, gambling addict or drug addict?
is he, or has he ever been, in debt?
what happened to his last relationship?
what did his ex-girlfriends look like while he was dating them?
does he talk about his exes a lot?
when did he lose his virginity?
how long have you been together?
how many gifts has he bought you?
how often does he want to have sex with you?
has he ever fucked you with the lights on or during the daytime?
has he ever fucked you two or more times in a row?
does he go down on you?
on average, how long does he fuck you?
is he always asking you for blowjobs?
do you frequently catch him looking at other women?
has he ever called you another woman’s name?
does he watch a lot of porn?
is this porn featuring slender girls, or fat tonka truck girls?

that’ll do for now.

ps: if you think at your grotesque size you aren’t suffering a hit to your attractiveness to 99.99% of men, think again. men are pretty uniform in what they desire in women’s looks. if you have found a genuine fatty fucker, then count your blessings, because the number of weirdo fetish men who like fucking women of size are FAR fewer than the number of fatsos available for them to fuck.

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Fat chicks give good Blo-Jays!

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On a side note, this post depressed me after going out last night. Was out after the Caps game, and of the standard set of DC sixes on display, not one was thin. There were plenty of average and overweight girls, but not a single thin one.

Average build is fine, but I think it is a bit telling when the thin body type is missing entirely from a standard bar deviation on a given evening. I’d naively call it an outlier, but this isn’t the first time this has happened lately.

Also, Heather is fat. And either typing up a bunch of lies to respond to Roissy or gorging herself on vegetarian Ben and Jerry’s. I hear they use organic milk, therefore it must not make you fat.

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Obviously it must be genetics and thyroid conditions.

Conveniently enough, these genes didn’t exist two generations ago, and thyroid conditions don’t seem to affect people in poor countries – just their relatives that immigrated to America.

Crafty, crafty diseases and genes, I tell you.

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Somebody made a point about the healthcare costs. That is an excellent point. All the rising obesity rates and the healthcare problems associated with it will assure that health insurance rates continue to skyrocket. Guys like me who work out and watch what I eat see my health insurance premium steadily climbing even though I take care of myself. I’m literally PAYING for other people to be fat.

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15 Heather, I looked you up on the BMI scale but they haven’t made one for you yet.

Please contact the National Institute of Health and have them come up with a new category beyond obese.

Because you are it. You are either not real or if you in fact are, you live on snickers bars in addition to other things.

Now if you have a guy who likes mega obese women, good for you.

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oh my god, i’ve never seen anyone owned so hard as roissy just destroyed heather. especially love the “does he watch nascar” and “you can try to fool everyone here but you can’t fool the second law of thermodynamics”. wow, do you give classes on destroying pepl, cuz i’m down for a seminar.

the average weight for a woman in brazil is between 110-120 lbs. damn gotta move.

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@ #9 anon

Until you know what it’s like to have a slow metabolism AND love food, shut the fuck up. “Men” who claim to be hard-gainers are just weak. With proper diet and exercise, you can put on weight easily. There are plenty of dense healthy foods you can use to pile on the calories. For someone like me, putting on weight is amazingly easy, but making sure that weight is mostly muscle requires clean eating and rigorous exercise. Burning fat takes quite a bit of willpower.

A student visiting my department from Germany made the observation that while America has far more obese people than most of Europe, we also have more health obsessed people like me. I can relate with kkrev. Fat people disgust me, I’m glad they’ve all given up their new years resolutions and stopped polluting my gym. And I do realize my emotional hypocrisy.

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Interestingly fat isn’t a protected class under anti-discrimination law. It’s surprising it’s as accepted as it is. People are so used to American wide-loads they don’t even realize what fat is anymore. What is now an average size zero for women’s dress sizes (they vary between clothing lines) was a size eight in the fifties, the era of Marilyn Monroe.
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Fat women are always on anti-depressants, that’s why they are so delusional. I bet Heather is taking them.

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“and don’t give me that feminist bullshit that a woman’s libido peaks in her 30’s”

Either roosh or roissy need to post about this bit of conventional wisdom. I’ve tried Google, but the results are clogged with women insisting that they are at the height of their powers in their 30’s (or later).

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Because of this obesity epidemic, it’s also hard to find ordinary human sized clothing at stateside clothing stores. For instance, smalls and mediums quickly sell out, or seem to be equivalent to what a Large used to be. Stores like Jcrew are now like a Big and Tall shop.

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sorry for the double post
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@43

I know- I knew I wasn’t the only one to notice this! I am 5’2, approx. 105 and I have to shop in more expensive stores or buy Euro brands to find clothes that fit, like Zara, French Connection, etc.. I really get angry when fat women complain about not being able to find clothes in their size.

Also, @39, fat people are not a protected class because being fat is obviously not an f%[email protected] immutable characteristic like race or gender, despite how overweight people delude themselves into thinking it is.

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“Americans are fat because the diet is loaded with sugar and starch. ”
Nope. I’m in Copenhagen now, and the diet here has lots of fatty, starchy foods. People are slim for the most part, across generations.

Danes are skinnier because:
1. People walk or bike everywhere. So not only do they burn calories while moving, but they also buy less food at a time (T mentioned this in his blog).
2. Portions are smaller.
3. They eat out way less – I’ve heard of many Danish MEN who spend hours a day cooking on weekends.
4. They eat much more fruits and vegetables, side dishes that would be starchy and high-calorie in America.
5. Soda is way more expensive, and has much less sugar – there’s a popular soda here that tastes just like Sprite, albeit half as sweet.

People like to shit on fast food, but looking at the typical fast food meal, it’s not so much say the Big Mac that’s doing it, it’s all the other crap that’s added. A burger at 600 calories, isn’t that much. Add in a 40 ounce 600 calories of soda, another 400 calories of fries, and you have a carcinogenic meal.

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BasilRansom,

I’m willing to bet that Danes’ will get fatter in decades to come. American style of eating ever-increasing portions of sugar-laden foods has slowly crept through Europe.

On a similar note, check out Americanized Asians living in the US. Asians are generally thin, but there’s a whole crop of fat Asians running through the streets here. They’re the Americanized ones that eat unhealthy foods. You can also see the change in diet in their complexions. Many “Americanized” Asians have acne and shit as well.

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Just because fat people, male or female, are fat doesn’t mean they want to be fat or like to be fat or that it’s easy to be fat. Maybe I’m trying but not hard enough — that doesn’t mean it’s easy. And it doesn’t make it any easier when so many people are so quick to say, without any hesitation or embarrassment, that being fat is disgusting, that no one will ever love a fat person, etc. etc. etc. I’m not making excuses for being fat, I’m just saying that it IS hard – how can it be emotionally easy on anyone who’s overweight, male or female, to read the posts here, to listen to comments from everyone they’ve ever met, to watch any TV show or read any magazine? How can a fat person walk away from any of that with any self-worth? It’s motivation to try harder, sure, but sometimes it’s also motivation to go eat a fucking cheeseburger & convince yourself that you ARE shit.

Thankfully, there are plenty of people out there willing to wait it out with overweight friends, family members and, yes, even boyfriends & girlfriends, as they try to make the journey into living a healthier – and hopefully thinner – lifestyle. Thankfully there are still people, though not on this blog, who see other value in their overweight friends & love them regardless. It doesn’t mean it’s OK to be fat or that that acceptance is any reason to stop trying NOT to be fat. It just means that at least some chunk of the population has enough compassion not to degrade & abuse every fat person they’ve ever met — or, in the case of Heather & all the other posters on here, NOT met.

And in closing, I have no idea what my point was. Maybe it’s this: Being fat is disgusting, but so are you guys.

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it doesnt help that many food products contain corn syrup and appetite stimulants (msg). people down this stuff unknowingly or not and then ride a desk all day and are too tired to exercise after work, or at least enough to make a difference.

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That Roissy list is a good checklist for any girl wondering, “Is He Just Not That Into Me or Is He?” Way better than the book by the same name wink

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Oh and also if “He” is a good catch or not… some of the items more have to do with status!