Why Is Working For A Corporation So Awful?

Except for start-ups in Silicon Valley that let you use scooters indoors, it has come to be common wisdom that corporations are horrible places to work. It shouldn’t be like this. A regular salary with benefits in an environment that puts you in constant touch with other humans shouldn’t cause misery, but in reality corporate work is one of the most soul-destroying activities you can do. Why?

1. It makes you helpless. The knowledge that you can be laid off, transferred, or snubbed at any time makes you feel like you have no say in your destiny. You’re at the mercy of the invisible bureaucracy, of layers of people who have control over your livelihood and the final say on your future.

2. It makes you fake. When a stripper goes to work, and has to give lap dances to fat men for money, she puts on a smile and pretends that she’s enjoying it. You do the same when you have to work in a corporation. You put on a fake smile and adopt a shielding personality to deal with people you would never choose to deal with in your spare time. This levies a significant blow to your self-identity.

3. You have to deal with Human Resources. Promiscuous women who graduated with a bogus degree now got you by the balls. Assuming you get through their dating interview process, you still have to comply with their rules and regulations, and you must be cheerful when they pimp slap you for stepping out of line or suffer one of their 90-day probations where you have to supplicate to their whims. You have to be alpha with your work but beta and subservient to the HR gals and all your other insufferable coworkers. Otherwise you’ll be written up and punished like you were in elementary school.

4. It makes you do things you hate. Your day-to-day tasks involve doing what makes the corporation money, not what you want to do with your life. The odds that a corporate position perfectly matches your passions are just about zero. Enjoy all the meetings, the Kaizen training, the diversity seminar, and the writing of TPS reports.

5. You receive low pay. You’ll never make as much as you bring in. Once Uncle Sam takes his cut, and you account for commuting,  you’ll always be selling yourself short. When your yearly review comes, you have to beg like a dog for a 4% raise that barely keeps up with inflation by telling your master all the wonderful things you did in the past year that made the company money. It’s humiliating.

The answer to this sad existence is to start your own business. It’s a tough challenge that will take time until you start bringing in income, but you’ll work on your own terms, control your destiny, be able to choose your customers, and not have to work with ditzy women who have power over you. Most importantly, you’ll be able to follow your passion. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

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112 Comments

  1. WallStreetPlayboys April 5, 2013 at 9:17 am

    While the overall message is true for “average” jobs starting in a competitive field has significant advantages.

    Ex: finance/management consulting/law

    You get killed for a couple of years but you learn what hard work really is. Then your debt is gone. Then you realize… If I put this much effort into a business….

    If you’re working 9-5 getting paid nothing, move on.

    1. Finance Finance October 9, 2014 at 7:03 pm

      What a load of tosh. Unless you are a revenue generator i.e analyst, PM etc. you don’t make much in finance. And revenue generators are just 1% of the entire industry, You have averagely intelligent people trying to prance around acting important when they know, they are dispensable, disposable and don’;t matter AT ALL. Maybe you are some hot shot revenue generator on Wall Street. Law is a joke and with Management Consulting you can only go so far and your pay starts to stagnate.

  2. OldHornDog April 5, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Worked for several small, mid, and large corporations in Silicon Valley until about the year 2000 – sucked the life out of me to say the least. That indoor scooter may be nice but you still have to put up with the hypocrisies and indignities of corporate culture. I frankly hated every single day of it – couldn’t wait to get out and do my own thing.

    As a side note – the food culture they try to force upon everyone is one of the other characteristics of cubicle life I absolutely despised. Almost every single fucking day they schlepped in pizza, cakes, cookies, everything but a friggin’ vegetable. That was supposed to be one of the selling point when they hired you – all that free food. In reality they just didn’t want you to leave the office – it’s cheaper for them to have you snarf up cheap empty calories (that will make you fat) in front of your screen while you are working.

    And don’t get me started on those sanctimonious conceited bitches who are running HR – unless you’ve experienced it it’s hard to believe they let those cows roam free. Suffice to say I got canned several times for speaking my mind.

    Fast forward a decade – now I run my own online business and happily live in Spain – so much more content here and life is cheaper! Not on the worst day would I ever go back to working for corporate America – it’s slow death.

    1. fastandbulbus January 22, 2016 at 1:30 pm

      spot on about HR…another Toxic layer that is a complete waste of revenue, yet they are always getting training and are given the best office space… they are rewarded for producing nothing, always at lunch or in “Important meetings” they think they are upper management, hence their arrogant strutting
      And these women decide if your a “good fit” for the bullshit culture they benefit from….WTF
      The only way to get past these insufferable stone walls is to mirror their vanity, tell them they are wonderful and beautiful , what a waste of Human existence……..Vulture Culture

  3. K April 5, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Starting a business is not realistic for most people. Corporate life is soul-crushing because our generation has unrealistic expectations.

    1. Buck Lowery April 30, 2015 at 3:00 pm

      I get it. Expect to be miserable and then there won’t be a problem.

    2. Ape In A Suit November 25, 2017 at 1:31 pm

      Which “unrealistic expectations” are you speaking about ?

  4. HCE April 5, 2013 at 9:28 am

    I would start my own business, but my country will punish me for even trying. I’m not kidding. As soon as I have founded a business, I have to make monthly payments to the government for “pension and health contributions”, even if my profit is 0 – and even if my REVENUE is 0! Seeing how most businesses aren’t earning much during their starting phases, you can see what a noose around an entrepreneur’s neck it is.

    1. Da Mac September 21, 2017 at 10:50 am

      Let me guess: Germany?

  5. 47f274a3faaf April 5, 2013 at 9:29 am

    This is mostly applicable to being Joe Average at Megacorp. If you have leverage by way of high demand skills, or are at a small private company, it’s really not necessarily like this.

  6. Mike Doe April 5, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Even working in an average soul crushing job you’ve described, wouldn’t living frugally, learning how to politic and setting up side investments let people leave this job and get another one that isn’t as well paid but more fulfilling within a decade or so?

    My take is that people fill the void of these jobs by blowing their money on distractions, then once they realize they’ve been squandered their potential wealth it’s already too late. They’ve been laid off or they’re so close to their pension that they “can’t possibly leave now.”

    If it’s possible, why not game the system? A common trope in the manosphere is how the average population don’t want to work hard. They feel entitled. They also have probably never sat down to plan out where their life is heading and consistently review it monthly.

    Surely, it could be done with the correct mindset. It would just take work.

    1. Jack Daniels October 29, 2016 at 5:02 am

      Pension? Hahahaha

  7. A April 5, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Yeah this is true for average jobs, but when you graduate from somewhere like Oxford you can pick and choose from most any competitive jobs in a field which you’re passionate about.

    It’s not possible for most of the people who read your blog cause let’s face it they went to shit universities, but for the few that actually worked hard in their youth to graduate from somewhere really prestigious the concept of working a meaningless corporate job does not exist (as long as you have your wits about you).

    1. AP January 25, 2016 at 5:35 pm

      just because you worked hard doesn’t mean you’ll get into Oxford…plenty of valedictorians who were captains of their sports teams and whatever else is necessary now to be “competitive” college applicants get into those top rated schools. Add on top of that the obstacles of funding yourself for the tuition levels of those top notch schools. It’s easy for rich kids who can “buy” their way into top notch schools to be so out of touch with the everyday person who actually probably worked harder, but end up with less opportunities. This is also why many middle managers are to blame for the deterioration of the corporate structure- there’s not sense of empathy or real talent in managing people.

      1. JC October 29, 2017 at 2:34 am

        well, I know plenty of people working for investment banks as traders, risk analysts and software developers, and they certainly didn’t “buy” their way to prestigious schools.

        I went to a British university, so I know in the first hand that there is no way anyone can buy their way into Oxford/Cambridge, unlike the Ivy League universities in the U.S. where it accepts alumni donation as a way in for their kids to get into them…

    2. AP January 25, 2016 at 5:35 pm

      don’t get into those schools*

    3. Jack Daniels October 29, 2016 at 5:03 am

      Let me correct you’re arrogant baloney. You didn’t mean “work hard in their youth”, you meant “had rich parents with connections”

      1. Da Mac September 21, 2017 at 10:53 am

        The rich are working hard in the U.S. to commoditize everything so even their dumb children have all the doors thrown open ahead of them…

  8. greenlander April 5, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Like OldHornDog, I did my tour of duty in Silicon Valley. It’s exactly how they describe it. There’s a veneer of “we’re so cool” with free food, casual dress, riding your scooter in the hallway and bringing your dog to work. But that crap doesn’t really matter, and after that it’s no different from working for some insurance company in the midwest.

    The worst part was after I became a manager. California state law requires all managers to receive eight hours of “sexual harassment training” every two years. My God, I hated that. Every time it came up I didn’t go when I was supposed to, and didn’t do it until my manager or HR called me out on it. My God, I’d rather to get a root canal.

    Almost exactly one year ago I left the United States. I do consulting work for guys I built relationships with while I was in Silicon Valley. I am presently living in Russia. I get up when I want, I take days off when I want, I say what I want. I just get my work done and it’s all good. Racking up “face time” is no longer of any relevance.

    I should have done it sooner. If you ain’t the lead dog, the view never changes.

    1. Jack Daniels October 29, 2016 at 5:05 am

      Right on.

  9. Ruxman April 5, 2013 at 10:18 am

    A lot of people aren’t creative, they get a job in which they trade time for money as a result. This is so common that even creative people have followed suit by influence or social conditioning.

    Creative people need to break the rules, otherwise they end up in the corporate world where they will suffer the most as they’re aren’t wired for that type of work.

  10. AlmostAnonymous April 5, 2013 at 10:32 am

    HCE,

    Who says you have to start a business inside the US? Look what greenlander did.

    Become an economic refugee. Go elsewhere where hard work is rewarded. You’ll have to move outside your comfort zone, but it’ll be worth it.

  11. Jason April 5, 2013 at 10:34 am

    I started out working class and attended a regional state university, earning excellent grades. I thought this was my best option to the middle class. Where did I get such an idea? After trying to shop such a degree around major and minor metros, I was only able to land very low level jobs. I am now stuck back in my home town where fat moms with no degree period get the office jobs with benefits. My lifestyle is minimal and I could live like a king on such a job, but that is a no go. I am stuck competing for jobs I worked straight out of high school, but having to disguise that I have degrees and a brain in order to fit in at this level too. At the moment, I am implementing the Captain Capitalism plan, but coming old age and poverty worry me. When the time comes, I may have to work up the courage to off the self, while these fat moms such public tax coin for benefits & salary in their unneeded jobs. I hope Rome burns.

  12. madmax April 5, 2013 at 10:36 am

    spot on, man. I would not have any other ways too. My business went well for 3 years and now it’s sucking cock, really bad. But I still could never revert to work for someone else. The downside is that you really are on your own. If it works, it’s great, if it doesn’t, you are done for

    1. Horatio September 11, 2017 at 3:00 pm

      Just reading the humorous and sad commentaries here. Just reading these makes me uncomfortable, yet I worked for corporate shops and had my own business as well where I had to contend with employees who would steal or threaten to sue you. Have a graduate degree from a top-rated school and tried for years to obtain a govt job. Pre-screening with tests and essays took two to three hours to finish. Then the interview was with a panel of three interviewers who gave rapid fire questions one after another. I was never politically correct I guess, and I retired from it all finally. Obviously, I never figured it all out.

  13. doug April 5, 2013 at 11:02 am

    i worked for Glaxo Smith Kline for a year. easily the worst working year of my life. clocked in every morning to a gated compounded that felt like prison.. complete with a staff cafeteria to ensure you didnt leave the area for a good 9 hours. horrible backstabbing culture, smiling as you carry out mind numbing tasks locked in rooms with soul dead people, some of whom had worked in that exact place for 30 years. horrible..

    1. Finance Finance October 9, 2014 at 7:05 pm

      Oh my god that sounds like my current company. They are everything I don’t want to be.

  14. Anonymous April 5, 2013 at 11:06 am

    this is not true at all. Maybe if you suck and have no unique skills and are just jow aerage cog. You do have the choice to pick something you love, be very talented and skilled at, be in high demand as well as build and be valued by a company – its not like your forced to do all of this shit. I agree lowe and mid level people with universal skills just serve a purpose of plug and play but get serious dude – if you are smart and telented the company will want you and make things awesome for you!

    1. Jack Daniels October 29, 2016 at 5:08 am

      Highborn smoke blower comment.

  15. madmax April 5, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Bobby Brown (Frank Zappa)

    Oh God I am the american dream
    I do not think Im too extreme
    An Im a handsome sonofabitch
    Im gonna get a good job n be real rich

    (get a good
    Get a good
    Get a good
    Get a good job)

    Womens liberation
    Came creepin across the nation
    I tell you people I was not ready
    When I fucked this dyke by the name of freddie
    She made a little speech then,
    Aw, she tried to make me say when
    She had my balls in a vice, but she left the dick
    I guess it’s still hooked on, but now it shoots too quick

    Oh God I am the american dream
    But now I smell like vaseline
    An Im a miserable sonofabitch
    Am I a boy or a lady…i don’t know which

    ah ah Roosh this is THE perfect song about all you dislike

  16. John Rambo April 5, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Corporations and the office environment in general are quite toxic for men. It requires you to become a pathetic beta male just to survive in that politically correct atmosphere.

    Now that college degrees have become basically worthless, best choice is for men to learn some trade like electrician, plumbing, repairman, etc. The benefits are, you will always be in need, since people will always need repairmans, plumbers, electricians, etc, and generally you’d be working around other men. And you’d probably end up making just as much money as you would working an office job, anyway.

    So yea, let the stupid bitches waste their life getting their dumbass psychology, sociology, and feminist degrees, because in the end, they will end up unemployed, and 50,000 dollars or more in debt. Best if we men avoid college since it is a useless waste of time anyway, and go get some real world training and knowledge which we can use in real world and useful professions. Get a MAN’s job, and you won’t have to deal with all this feminist/PC bullshit.

  17. erm April 5, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Roosh,

    First, disclosure: I am a smartass. And I’m currently drunk, because it is Friday.

    Second, what you wrote about the corporation and strippers is sublime. I know that because I once worked for the corporation, and quit, and have got to know a few strippers in my time. And yes the parallel is perfect.

    Third, you Roosh want to be LOVED like every man does. Yes we all watch tail but what we all want is the LOVE of a beautiful woman. We don’t just want to fuck, we want to be loved and to love. I think you should address this in your blogs, or reply to me and tell me I’m right. Because deep down Roosh I know you cry at night, you want tits and vagina because you want to be close to someone. This Bang shit isn’t really you. You want wife and kids in the home that you made, quit crying into your drink and your whore and tell me yes man you are right.

  18. John Rambo April 5, 2013 at 11:45 am

    PS. After reading all of the comments here, I’d just like to add:

    To all of you guys trying to justify working in a corporate/office type of environment, please excuse most of us. Most of us never got the chance to go some high profile university like Yale or Princeton or Harvard. Also please excuse most of us, since most of us are just “halfwits” since we can’t function properly in such an artificial atmosphere.

    Frankly, I found the arrogance and elitist tone of a couple of the commenters here to be pretty disgusting.

    1. ap January 25, 2016 at 5:42 pm

      I completely agree…what is sad is that they are most like the middle managers who create the environment of hell in corporate America. Thanks to their “lucrative University degrees” that their parents paid for them to get- I find that many managers who came from such an elitist background are so out of touch with the average employee they manage and this is a huge problem with management in Corporate America now.

  19. Anonymousagain April 5, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I might be stepping on some toes with this, but the massive influx of women in higher education and the workforce has amounted to nothing but a huge sink of productivity and creativity. In these days, it seems normal to throw away the babies, but retain the bathwater. Think of grade school, college, graduate school, corporate life.

    Some here ask ‘why not game the system’? It’s not worth the effort. For us men, there are only three options for the future: 1. go your own way, 2. try to unite with similar-minded people and give the system the finger, and 3. be a corporate ‘galley slave’ completely subjugated by legions of irrational HR women.

    “Now listen to me, all of you. You are all condemned men. We keep you alive to serve this ship. So row well, and live.” – Quintus Arrius, Ben Hur (1959)

  20. John Rambo April 5, 2013 at 11:48 am

    At #18, ERM.

    I think you’ll need to go do your Magnolia fantasy of “psychologically dismantling a PUA” crap somewhere else.

    Yea, we men want love and a good woman. Good women no longer exist in America and the Western world, UK, Canada, Australia. If you’re a man and looking for a long term relationship with a woman, get a woman from East Europe, Russia, South America, Asia, India, or whatever. Anywhere EXCEPT the USA, Canada, UK, and Australia.

  21. Anonymous April 5, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Am I the only one that works somewhere with all male HR? haven’t seen any problems, so might be something to look for in a corporate overlord
    course this is in wood products, so there is a masculine bent to the whole organization

  22. Kobayashi April 5, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    More than one way to skin a cat my dude, Not everyone has the innate ability to venture out and become an entrepreneur or start their own business. Considering we’re the “instant” generation I bet you 99% of the cheerleaders don’t have the gusto to put in the work to start and run a successful business.

  23. Aurini April 5, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    The worst part of the corporations I’ve worked for is that they value obedience over productivity; you aren’t even able to get the satisfaction of doing a good job, of having made a difference in the world at the end of the day.

    Working at a fast food restaurant sucks, but at least you’re giving people something they want (I worked at subway as a kid, it’s fairly healthy); at the corporation you get into major trouble for pointing out that the hoops you’re jumping through are utterly pointless, and a decently-crafted program could replace everybody on the floor.

    Sometimes I wonder if we’ve hit post-scarcity and the corporations are designated make-work to keep the proles in line.

  24. Brendon April 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    This is true for most corp job.

    Basically, if your job is revenue generating then you’ll be compensated accordingly, if not then someone else will. However, most jobs are support roles and as a result are viewed as a cost center.

    Once people realize this fact, they won’t get “surprised” when they get laid off after 10+ years of loyalty to the company.

  25. erm April 5, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    John Rambo

    Not really. I live in Eastern Europe and fuck local woman for my hobby. But I’d prefer to be happily married to a beautiful woman, with no fear of being cheated on, and faithful, and a dad. So would you.

  26. Mohammed Chang April 5, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    I like my gig working for a multinational. I’ve got two worthless liberal arts degrees from a flagship state school, because that’s what middle class kids from my hometown did after high school. I started off in a corporate environment much like you describe in your list above, used it to build a work history and resume that has allowed me to create my own position with my current employer. Since joining, I’ve never seen HR in the flesh. They screen resumes, but the people who are going to be working with a new hire handle the actual interviews with applicants. My boss is far too busy to micromanage, and I like and am liked by both my coworkers and clients. I’ve worked for and with companies with very different business cultures. The list above paints with too narrow a brush, and much of the fear over losing your job is alleviated by not being a slave to debt, regardless of the type of employment you have.

    Roosh, how many corporations did you work for? One, IIRC from reading your blog? There are fulfilling corporate gigs out there, just takes some work to find them. I can’t imagine doing so is considerably harder than starting a successful business from scratch.

    The bit about begging for a raise at review time is a tell you don’t really know how the corporate world functions. If you want to make more money, you need to change jobs, or at a minimum, secure an offer and ask your current employer to match it or meet you half way. The lack of loyalty is a double edged sword. You’d better make use of the sharp bit that isn’t pointed your way.

  27. Hipstersstink April 5, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Humiliating indeed.

    There is a rising trend taking place. This trend may put women behind, even if they think they are getting ahead with more and more following the corporate gig way.

    So yes, more women are going to university than men. However most of these women are taking useless degrees that will at best result in a basic corporate job. Nobody would argue nothing has lots its value more since the 70s than a university degree (aside from the value of pussy). You can’t just do with one university degree, particularly one in liberal arts.

    Meanwhile, don’t discount men. Maybe they are seeing how devalued a degree has become. Going your own way is the answer. The government needs more of that as well. Investment and innovation is what will grow an economy out of the doldrums. Not large corporations hoarding cash.

    You don’t need a degree to be an entrepreneur, but you do need to take risks. Women are inherently extremely risk averse. That’s why a university degree and basic corporate job suits them just fine. But this will not improve society or grow the economy.

  28. Hipstersstink April 5, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    I said the government needs more of that entrepreneurial spirit, not that they encourage that.

    One other thing. Laws of supply and demand. Too many people with similar education and applying for the same jobs. Nothing wrong with no education and applying for jobs where there are no applicants (plumbing, electrician). Make no doubt about it, men can see value better than women in my experience.

    No education + $50,000 / yr > Debt-fuelled education + $50,000 / yr

  29. ken April 5, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    If you think working for a corporation is bad, try working for the government—at any level. If you do anything good, something that helps the public or benefits taxpayers, you will be punished, and/or your efforts and ideas attributed to someone else. You will learn to do the least amount possible or face big negative consequences.

  30. Rael April 5, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    It’s only with easily replaceable individuals that corporations have the upper hand.

    If you have exceptional skills you can get the corporations by the balls. They will need you as badly as you need them – possibly more – AND they need to keep you out of the hands of their competition.

    Also, you will never build a spaceship or a supersonic aircraft unless you work for either a corporation or a government … & governments are worse.

  31. Inane Rambler April 5, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Fuck corporations.

    They are the true parasites in the United States.

  32. Juice April 5, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    So funny you mentioned this, Roosh. A friend posted a related article today on Facebook: http://www.ariseindiaforum.org/nurse-reveals-the-top-5-regrets-people-make-on-their-deathbed/

    Also the point about HR was right on. I’ve worked for years as a government contractor here in DC. The HR folks (girls and guys) are some of the stupidest people I’ve ever met. Almost every mid-level government person is insanely stupid and lazy. I always found myself asking “How the hell did you get hired?!” Anyway I’m now focusing on getting off the treadmill and getting the hell out of DC (and I’m a DC native. Sad I have to leave it to yuppie interns).

  33. Stuki April 5, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    to all those saying “not everyone can start their own business and be successful”; while you are obviously right about “everyone”, beware of the apex fallacy.

    You don’t need to be “successful” in absolute terms, to have a better life working on your own terms than someone elses. Corporate gigs tend to be located in expensive areas. Because they need proximity to lots of potential employees, trading partners, services and possibly customers. And for those making decisions about where to locate, the executives, the cost of living is irrelevant. While non executive employees get stuck with moderate pay in expensive areas.

    By setting the “success” bar high enough to be comfortable in Silicon Valley, or Manhattan, or West LA, lots and lots of people who could drop out of the ratrace are artificially holding themselves back. If you start a fairly location independent business, which lots of one-person/few-person businesses are, live in a cheap, nice place. Where the bailed out classes are not around to drive up home prices, taxes, regulatory burdens etc.

    Also, when working on your own, what you do compounds over time. You make contacts that broaden the scope of people who will call you when they need help, and pitch you ideas. When you are just a cog, even a “skilled” one, those contacts will be earned by someone higher up.

    There are many such effects that conspire to make working for yourself, or with a small group, vastly more beneficial in the long run than simply putting in work for someone else. And, given the cost structure of most corporations, they are not nearly as efficient and fearful competitors as their size may indicate.

    So, just live cheap, and you can probably make enough money on your own to get by, until you start making some more. And at least, you won’t be subsidizing some HR department.

  34. AFemaleCat April 5, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    I’ll never forget my first 1 hour in my very first and only corporate job. The HR girls managed to tell me
    -This upcoming weekend I’m going to *** with my fiance!
    -I’m sorry I’m late! I had to visit my PRO Football Player boyfriend who played a game in Texas this weekend and my plane was late

    The other HR woman had fake titties so you know, she was too busy pushing them out to tell stories.

    Corporations are evil. You’re right, you have to put on a fake face and can’t be yourself.

  35. AFemaleCat April 5, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Hahahaha @ Mohammed Chang

    (I’m assuming that comment was a well written satire on Indian and Asian conformity)

    1. Ravi Macho September 9, 2017 at 10:42 am

      You mean Satya Nadella and Sundar Pichai !!??

  36. AFemaleCat April 5, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    I’m getting disturbed by reading the pro-corporation comments above that aren’t jokes.

    Ok…At my old corporation there was a group of men and they were amazing. They were the men who make the world turn. And I asked my boss, who was also super smart, “Why don’t these guys take their ideas and do it themselves because all of this work they are doing will belong to the corporation and not them” and my boss was like “They need the consistent income to live”

    My boss was right, but that’s the flaw of the corporate structure.

    Isaac Newton and those guys were all farmers and they had tons of free time. There’s something to be said for an intelligent, (hopefully non foreign labor hiring) upperclass, landed aristocracy that has free time to start business or think of ideas. We don’t have that anymore in our current ‘corporate’ system.

  37. Anonymous April 5, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    This posts explain why John McAfee goes crazy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McAfee

    Roosh is the prophet and McAfee the follower. lol haha.

    It would be cool a post about McAfee and his adventures outside America, and him discover of real life.

  38. John Rambo April 5, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    @ erm, #27

    “But I’d prefer to be happily married to a beautiful woman, with no fear of being cheated on, and faithful, and a dad. ”

    Your first part is correct. I actually am married to a good girl, an indian girl, who was raised in a village and has no connection or conception with the evils of the modern western world.

    There was a very very wise statement I once read from an indian spiritual leader. He said “A man who has never been married before thinks that getting married will make him happy. While a man who is married is thinking “Why didn’t I stay single, I could have stayed free?””

    It’s a real catch 22. If you’ve never been married before, you don’t realize how boring and unsatisfying it is. But most men have to get married to understand that reality.

    If I had come in contact with the MRA movement just a few months before I had, I probably would have given up on marriage entirely. See, another trap is thinking that foreign women are better than western women. Yes, they are, but even still I would not recommend marriage to ANY kind of woman, foreign or western.

    Marriage is fucking misery, any way you look at it. I’m honest enough to admit that. A lot of married guys will never admit that.

    I just wish I had waited a couple more years before even thinking about marriage. By that time, I would have realized how pointless it is and probably decided to never marry. So, cheers to all of the men who ARE intelligent enough to never get married, guys like Roosh and so on.

    I’m a 28 year old guy, so if there’s any advice I would give to men under the age of 30, it is this:

    Do NOT get married. Once you hit age 30 or so, you’ll realize how fruitless the whole endeavour is, and then you will hopefully give up all desire to ever get married. You may THINK that marriage will make you happy, but it won’t. Even marriage to a super submissive humble foreign girl. Otherwise, if you get married and then realize too late that marriage is a trap for men, you’ll end up just like me. Drinking his life away to a bottle of alcohol, trying to speed up his own death.

    1. Colonel Traut December 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm

      Don’t do it Rambo! This time, we get to win.

  39. John Rambo April 5, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    @ Rael, #32

    “Also, you will never build a spaceship or a supersonic aircraft unless you work for either a corporation or a government … & governments are worse.”

    I guess my life is a complete failure since I am not smart enough to know how to build a fucking spaceship.

  40. sj April 5, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Agree which is why having an independent consultant mindset works well for me. Make good coin, save, travel and have fun. Switch jobs for more pay until one can expat and start an online business. Me, I want to fly jets, scuba dive and give tours.

  41. OldHornDog April 5, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    @greenlander – Hey mate – glad to hear you got your ass out of there. If you ever come to Spain look me up – I’m in Valencia. You’ll love the poon here and if you look half way Russian they’ll eat you up (despite what Roosh says – I’m having fun over here – ahem).

  42. Zorro April 5, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    The answer to this sad existence is to start your own business. It’s a tough challenge that will take time until you start bringing in income, but you’ll work on your own terms, control your destiny, be able to choose your customers, and not have to work with ditzy women who have power over you. Most importantly, you’ll be able to follow your passion. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

    I’m 52 and have worked in nine different industries. This post is Marcus. Fucking. Aurelius.

  43. Anonymous April 5, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Good points. I am rolling in the money right now and eventually plan to start my own investment firm. There are some advantages depending where you work. I work in banking and interact with a lot of women. I am a minority as a man. They are forced to dress nice and while there are a lot of hogs, there are also a nice group of 7,8,9’s who are DTF. http://www.rooshv.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/bigsmile.gif

  44. Anonymous April 5, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    I have what one would consider a soul-killing job. On the other hand, it can be considered a dream job. I mostly have my own autonomy. I don’t get micromanaged. Big office. Don’t deal with HR at all, even though they are women. Yes my bosses (plural) are women who are in the dark ages with technology. I am in direct contact with 18-40 y/o women customers all day everyday. The average day I may do 2 hours worth of work in an 8 hr shift. It’s really not that bad. Guess where I work.

  45. Anonymous April 5, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Guessing a bank?

    You hear the joke that as a single, white, 30-something male you are never the minority.

    I took a job here and 90% are women all the way up the chain until you get to the executives. The manages based off feelings and emotions and because of this the company is a fraction of what it could be. I quickly learned that my “go get em” attitude and “improving the system” did nothing but put me in a negative spotlight.

    Now I avoid any unnecessary contact with any of them work 2 actual hours in a day and spend the rest of it on blogs and building my business again.

    At first I felt bad not being productive on the company’s dime, but fuck them. They handicap the entire company with their lack of actual experience and they gained their positions of leverage by spending more than 1/2 their life working at this company. What secretly they know is they are lucky because they have no marketable skills and to subside this feeling of worthlessness they show their “superiority” making pointless demands that do nothing but retard the ability of their staff to increase profit.

    Fuck them. I’ll suck this tit while being paid to build a business as long as I can until I can walk away from these chains and be the professional business alpha I know I am but they are afraid to realize.

  46. Zozza April 5, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Unfortunately I currently work for a Corporate. However, I am saving furiously & am not too faraway from having enough in the bank to tell them to shove their job up their ass. You know what amazes me about Corporates…..they actually think we give a fuck about their KAIZEN training, their “pro-active” meetings, and all the other corporate propaganda crap they try and mesmerise you with. Roosh is right – it is humiliating, and it will be a special day when I leave the cunt of corporate place that I work.

  47. Anonymous April 5, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Interesting timing on this post for me, I just got snubbed 2 weeks ago, total political bureaucratic b.s. move by the VP. He’s a chump, I’m not, so he eliminated me after tripling his business in 18 months for our biggest profiting product/service. I can’t stand corp America, what a f-ing joke it’s become. Little bitch-boys/women, holding positions of authority over real men. Sad condition.

  48. Moses April 5, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Yes, some corporate jobs don’t suck as bad as others. Some might even be ok.

    But never forget that no matter what your corporate job at the end of the day you are 100% dependent on the whims of others. They could dismiss you at any time. The only real security is taking charge of your own destiny.

    For those caught the corporate web, I suggest you read “Power” by Jeffrey Pfeffer.

    http://www.amazon.com/Power-Some-People-Have-Others/dp/0061789089

    I usually don’t like books written by professors but this one is pretty good. Pfeffer explains why pay and title are 95% NOT correlated with talent, and gives practical advice on how to sharpen your political skills to get more.

    Watching kiss-asses get ahead, it dawned on me and my Silicon Valley carpool mates about 18 months out of bschool that talent was absolutely not correlated with advancement.

    Jump into the cesspool and play the game, or get out and do your own thing.

  49. 47f274a3faaf April 5, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Claiming that corporate employment is risky is a little silly when advocating entrepreneurship as the alternative. If you are a skilled worker, clearing $130K+ by age 30 as an employee is a cakewalk. If you can’t pull that off, I’m sorry but your odds of doing better solo are slim. You probably have no skills or industry knowledge. In contrast your odds of failure as an entrepreneur are high. The expected value payout maybe higher, but it is quite clearly riskier.

  50. Anonymous April 5, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    I see someone else already quoted one of my heroes already, the original Red Pill Musician, but I had another song of his in my head before I saw his comment:
    Frank Zappa – Brown Shoes Don’t Make It

    Brown shoes don’t make it
    Brown shoes don’t make it
    Quit school, why fake it
    Brown shoes don’t make it
    Tv dinner by the pool
    Watch your brother grow a beard
    Got another year of school
    You’re okay, he’s too weird
    Be a plumber
    He’s a bummer
    He’s a bummer every summer
    Be a loyal plastic robot
    For a world that doesn’t care
    That’s right
    Smile at every ugly
    Shine on your shoes and cut your hair

    Be a jerk – go to work
    Be a jerk – go to work
    Be a jerk – go to work
    Be a jerk – go to work
    Do your job, and do it right
    Life’s a ball
    Tv tonight
    Do you love it
    Do you hate it
    There it is
    The way you made it

    A world of secret hungers
    Perverting the men who make your laws
    Every desire is hidden away
    In a drawer in a desk by a naugahyde chair
    On a rug where they walk and drool
    Past the girls in the office

    We see in the back
    Of the city hall mind
    The dream of a girl about thirteen
    Off with her clothes and into a bed
    Where she tickles his fancy
    All night long

    His wife’s attending an orchid show
    She squealed for a week to get him to go
    But back in the bed his teen-age queen
    Is rocking and rolling and acting obscene
    Baby baby…
    Baby baby…

    Gimme them cakes now, uh!
    If I do, I’m gonna lose my…

    And he loves it, he loves it
    It curls up his toes
    She wipes his fat neck
    And it lights up his nose
    But he cannot be fooled
    Old city hall Fred
    She’s nasty, she’s nasty
    She digs it in bed
    That’s right

    Do it again, ha
    And do it some more
    Hey, that does it, by golly
    And she’s nasty for sure
    Nasty nasty nasty
    Nasty nasty nasty
    Only thirteen, and she knows how to nasty
    She’s a dirty young mind, corrupted
    Corroded
    Well she’s thirteen today
    And I hear she gets loaded
    If she were my daughter, i’d…
    What would you do, Frankie?
    Well, if she were my daughter, i’d…
    What would you do, Frankie?
    If she were my daughter, i’d…
    What would you do, Frankie?

    Check this out…
    Smother my daughter in chocolate syrup
    And strap her on again, oh baby
    Smother that girl in chocolate syrup
    And strap her on again
    She’s my teen-age baby
    She turns me on
    I’d like to make her do a nasty
    On the white house lawn
    Smother my daughter in chocolate syrup
    And boogie ’til the cows come home

    Time to go home
    Madge is on the phone
    Gotta meet the gurneys and a dozen grey attorneys
    Tv dinner by the pool
    I’m so glad I finished school
    Life is such a ball
    I run the world from city hall

  51. Eddie Morra April 6, 2013 at 3:30 am

    One of your best posts yet Roosh! Simple yet directly to the point. I wish I had this advice when I started out in life. I’d add one more that prevents many a young man from working for himself, “debt”! Don’t start guys! Like drugs, it’s easy to fall into, first it’s a nice night out dinner, drinks, all on the card. Then it’s at the mall, picking up the latest gadget or some trendy clothes, then the car loan…… Hard to start your own business when you got debt…..

  52. HWDNGU April 6, 2013 at 4:29 am

    I can totally see where Roosh is coming from but I have a slightly different view on this. Yes the corporate system is out there to squeeze your life away from you to fill the pockets of the bigwigs who somehow slithered their way up to the top.

    But what if you havent got the skills to be a successful entrepreneur ? For example you may be very intelligent but not generously gifted with the social skills required to be able to run your business.

    My view is that you have to play the system. Yes you may be a cog in the wheel in the ‘corporate game’ but if you treat your company as a cog in the wheel of your ‘life game’ then chances are you will have a crackin’ time in life.

    Every time you make a substantial contribution to your ‘wheel’ due to your intelligence/work ethic, then demand a payrise. Threaten to leave. Work yourself into a position where they cant quite afford to sack you. Play this game and you know what, you could squeeze out $$$’s from the ‘corporate game’ to feed your ‘life game’.

    Use this money wisely too. Re-invest it. Save some of it but use the rest to live your life to the max. Travel, make love with beautiful exotic women in exchange for your $$$ you squeezed out from the corporate game.

    You will then have won the life game.

  53. cibo April 6, 2013 at 6:44 am

    Silicon valley firms aren’t that much different, it’s just that we can work on bean bags.

  54. Anonymous April 6, 2013 at 7:42 am

    Most of those online consultants and “entrepreneurs” with online “businesses” are FULL OF SHIT. I run into them abroad all the time. They usually have some family money to start with, so they can nickle and dime it over the Internet without worrying about the future.

  55. DarkTriad April 6, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Mohammed Chang –

    “The bit about begging for a raise at review time is a tell you don’t really know how the corporate world functions. If you want to make more money, you need to change jobs, or at a minimum, secure an offer and ask your current employer to match it or meet you half way.”

    You say Roosh doesn’t understand corporate America, and your last example is a technique notorious for getting people fired in corporate America.

  56. gunslingergregi April 6, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    15 Anonymous
    April 5th, 2013 @ 11:06 am
    this is not true at all. Maybe if you suck and have no unique skills and are just jow aerage cog. You do have the choice to pick something you love, be very talented and skilled at, be in high demand as well as build and be valued by a company – its not like your forced to do all of this shit. I agree lowe and mid level people with universal skills just serve a purpose of plug and play but get serious dude – if you are smart and telented the company will want you and make things awesome for you!
    ”””””””””””””””””

    its true there is a part of a corporation that is totally diferent from the regular parts where there is no time you have to show up and where you can basically do what the hell you want and just make sure you get some stuff done
    I would say it is easier saving up loot working for a paycheck you know is coming than trying to run a business
    I worked my but off and at least got to see what the promised land looked like he he he

  57. gunslingergregi April 6, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    19 John Rambo
    April 5th, 2013 @ 11:45 am
    PS. After reading all of the comments here, I’d just like to add:

    To all of you guys trying to justify working in a corporate/office type of environment, please excuse most of us. Most of us never got the chance to go some high profile university like Yale or Princeton or Harvard. Also please excuse most of us, since most of us are just “halfwits” since we can’t function properly in such an artificial atmosphere.

    Frankly, I found the arrogance and elitist tone of a couple of the commenters here to be pretty disgusting.
    ””””””””””
    no college degree here but I should of gotten one probably
    really coorporations paying the most my buddies all making 100k and up working oversees

  58. Foghorn April 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    I loved the article, I recognise so much of it from my increasingly unbearable experiences in the rat hole where I work which is run by human vermin (mostly female) based on their own whims and personal financial interests alone.

    However, I also completley agree with the guy above who said that so many of these people you meet abroad who talk about their online businesses are really full of shit. They are usually seeded by family money/trustafarian layabouts or alternatively, they are desperados who are often to be seen trying to leech money from gullible tourists to “invest” in their “business.” Kudos to the guys who are the real deal though – I admire them a lot.

  59. Billster BC April 6, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Great piece, Roosh and some great comments.
    Me, I love the concept of entrepreneurship. Ultimately it’s the best way of making what you love to do most earn a living for you.

    On the the other hand, some great things can be produced through the corporate model and that to me is people acting together to earn enough to make a living.

    I’d love to own a no-bullshit company.

    All prospective employees would be told that the only goal of the company is to make a profit doing or making X, and that all else is secondary.

    Compensation and advancement would be based solely on productive merit. Hiring done by the same principle. Produce, get paid or fuck off.

    HR would be done by myself or a like-minded guy whom I’d refer to as “Adjutant.” My EA/secretary — if I bothered to have one — would be a like-minded, wise old gal not younger than 50 and to whom efficiency would be religion.

    There would be no fucking dogs, daycares, cafeterias, mopeds, bicycles, counsellors, cluttering up the facilities or other people’s time. Just get the job done.

    I’d pay what it takes to keep productive employees.

  60. WHY DO YOU HATE USA April 6, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Why do you hate american girls? angelina jolie and most of these hot actresses are from there.

  61. Anonymous April 6, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    I’ve owned a business before (I as post #50), and after the economy tanked I lost it. The stupidest thing I did besides get a 5-month-in bang pregnant and try to make it work toward a marriage for 4 years, was to hold onto that business for 3-4 years as it dwindled into the flames of hell.

    The next business I open will: 1)Will NOT be business-2-business sales.. why? Because the same clowns and “systems” I was fired from, are who I would be dealing with. ONLY business-2-individual consumer businesses will I attempt going forward. 2) I will minimize any extensive “service” type products offered even to individuals. Why? Because 99% of them take that fake-ass corporate brainwashing into their daily lives and project those demands on your business services. So F-them for that. 3) I WILL however, someday, offer products in the $3-$300 range, sold to consumers (direct / drop shipped in most cases), the bulk of which I will never meet for a reason. Reason? Because minimizing human contact except for large bulk orders, will disconnect me from the crap and politics that the “system” has in place which consumes your time AND money. And lets face it, if I give you my time, time=money, I’ve allowed you to steal from my life unless I make that time available ONLY on my preferred terms.

    To me, that is the equation to re-rail my life down the right track for an enjoyable life. Also, choose wisely the state you incorporate in for many reasons, AND, never make a business larger than 49 people to avoid EEOC laws. The union mind-set will not be welcome in any business I own, only entrepreneurial wit.

  62. PHC April 6, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Worked the corporate grind for years. It was a soul crushing experience.

    Got into the fire service 7 years ago. It’s been great. Between calls (many of which are highly exciting) we sit around around the coffee table and talk shop, pussy, and guns. And we talk shit. There are no third rails, and no pussified corporate culture.

    Plus I work 8 days a month. The pay is good, but you could cut it in half as long as the schedule and camaraderie are held intact; I’d still be happy.

    Best job I’ve ever had.

  63. Mike April 7, 2013 at 1:12 am

    It sucks that society has gotten to the point where a college degree is viewed as so important when in reality, the most successful people out there aren’t ones with college degrees. Hell, most of them even dropped out of college.

    I believe a strong idea with a strong passion can lead to bigger and better things. The online market is FILLED with different possibilities 🙂

  64. 65 Mike April 7, 2013 at 4:59 am

    65 Mike:

    Online market is filled with losers on websites that come and go. Only guys that are successful are the ones that don’t need that much money (old ready to retire, no ambition, family funds, no school loans, etc.)

  65. Anonymous April 7, 2013 at 5:51 am

    @65 Mike

    ” The online market is FILLED with different possibilities :)”

    Like what?

  66. Anonymousagain April 7, 2013 at 6:25 am

    @mike #65

    In part, the credentialism-on-steroids we witness now is a vestige of feminism.

    We men, and more so the intelligent and creative ones among us, want to CREATE things. BUILD things. We have vision. Academia no longer recognizes these masculine needs, but actively works to stifle them. Indeed, the most succesful people drop out, because they want to build and create something of value, because they have a vision. They don’t want to work on somebody else’s dreams. They don’t want to conform to a broken system which disrespects them and their needs. When taking the college route has a cost-benefit ratio worse than that of starting a business from scratch, then you know something is terribly wrong.

  67. Ewa April 7, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Wow, I was thinking the exact same thing today… Your blog was not where I expected to find my ideas articulated… I guess this is really becoming common sense to everyone these days, corporate life is terrible, fake, unfair, unnatural

  68. John Rambo April 7, 2013 at 11:54 am

    #67,

    Wow, man, you expressed EXACTLY what I was thinking today. That feminism has destroyed civilization by suppressing all of the intelligent, independent thinker young men out there. The educational system is feminized to destroy this natural MALE CREATIVITY.

    And thus, they have destroyed civilization by destroying all of the gifted young men who COULD have gone on to do great things, invent things, improve society, etc. How much POTENTIAL has been SQUANDERED because of feminism?

    In the end, it will be women who lose out the most, because if or when society collapses, men will prey on the weak to survive, and women are defenseless.

    Karma is coming soon, all of these stupid fucking liberals, feminists, Marxists, and other various assorted scum, is getting their due soon.

  69. Ed April 7, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    The likelihood of building a successful, sustainable self-employment vs. one that drains your soul, is about the same as finding a decent corporate job. For every successful guy with his own business, there’s 1000 more on the verge of bankrupcty trying to get back into corporate america. Same with corporate jobs- for every guy chiming in here saying he’s got a ‘good gig’ that doesn’t deal with the problems on this list, there’s 1000 others working in soul-draining position scared to death of HR fatties, watching every word they say.

    The common thread is to be good as shit at whatever you do, so that you are irreplaceable to the people that give you money – whether your corporate bosses, or your audience for your online biz, etc.

  70. Anonymousagain April 7, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    What happened to the post numbering? Some replies now refer to the wrong posts.

  71. Glengarry April 7, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    The main advantage of working for a corporation is that you learn how to do real business on another man’s dime. The second advantage is that paycheck.

    Since your job can evaporate for whatever reason, you have to learn to hustle like an entrepreneur regardless. Working for a corp adds no value there.

    Silicon Valley, that’s where they rave about that 100-Hour Workweek book, isn’t it?

  72. Mark April 7, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Get a government job. After you get it, don’t waste any time working hard and doing a good job because no one cares. Be friendly to your fat old woman boss and she’ll get you a promotion. You’ll have an easy life. If you start your own business, you’ll just be taxed and regulated to death. Starting your own business was a good idea fifty years ago but not now.

  73. Peter April 9, 2013 at 7:30 am

    Lysander Spooner. Remember him. A man of theory and practice.

    Small businesses are much rarer under this monsterous, regulated mixed economy (crony capitalism) which we live under. Small businesses and self-employment would be much more common under laissez-faire. One of the major factors is the regulation and government monopoly on credit making it hard for people to entice people with excess capital to lend to them for their startup.

    From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysander_Spooner
    (Spooner believed that it is beneficial if people are self-employed so that they could enjoy the full fruits of their labor rather than having to share them with an employer. He argued that various forms of government intervention in the free market made it difficult for people to start their own businesses. For one, he believed that laws against high interest rates, or “usury” prevented those with capital from extending credit because they could not be compensated for high risks of not being repaid: “If a man have not capital of his own, upon which to bestow his labor, it is necessary that he be allowed to obtain it on credit. And in order that he may be able to obtain it on credit, it is necessary that he be allowed to contract for such a rate of interest as will induce a man, having surplus capital, to loan it to him; for the capitalist cannot, consistently with natural law, be compelled to loan his capital against his will. All legislative restraints upon the rate of interest, are, therefore, nothing less than arbitrary and tyrannical restraints upon a man’s natural capacity amid natural right to hire capital, upon which to bestow his labor….The effect of usury laws, then, is to give a monopoly of the right of borrowing money, to those few, who can offer the most approved security.” [25]

    “Spooner also believed that government restrictions on issuance of private money made it inordinately difficult for individuals to obtain the capital on credit to start their own businesses, thereby putting them in a situation where “a very large portion of them, to save themselves from starvation, have no alternative but to sell their labor to others” and those who do employ others are only able to afford to pay “far below what the laborers could produce, [than] if they themselves had the necessary capital to work with.”[26] Spooner said that there was “a prohibitory tax — a tax of ten per cent. — on all notes issued for circulation as money, other than the notes of the United States and the national banks” which he argued caused an artificial shortage of credit, and that eliminating this tax would result in making plenty of money available for lending[26] such that: “All the great establishments, of every kind, now in the hands of a few proprietors, but employing a great number of wage labourers, would be broken up; for few or no persons, who could hire capital and do business for themselves would consent to labour for wages for another.”)

  74. Generate April 9, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Everytime you write a piece on this subject it gets me a bit depressed and then motivated. You write the truth homez.

  75. Chest Coach April 9, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    I don’t know how this came about but somewhere down the road, society expects everyone to have a good job in a big corporation, drive a prius, be polite and courteous…I say fuck that. We are men and we decide our own fate!

    Thanks for the inspiring post Roosh

  76. Business Man April 12, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Sorry Roosh and readers, I’m about to burst your bubble with all this liberal anti-corporation sentiment around here. Not all corporations will suck you dry. In fact, corporations are actually some of the best places for alphas to work. Hardworking, confident men in business will go much farther in life with a prestigious corporation’s name on their résumé than without it. Sure you can become a plumber or electrician but you are going to top your salary off way too prematurely. Not to mention, trades like these aren’t sexy and you don’t meet attractive women.

    As a 21 year old graduate, I began working for one of the largest corporations in the world, and I have developed as a person in ways that would never have been possible if I took an “alternate” career path. Most importantly, I have learned that America specifically does not care about you. You are only worth what you provide in your labor. This applies to every aspect of life. Either deliver, or get out. Give 100% or fuck off.

    Working for a global corporation forces you to be competitive. It forces you to develop your social skills and hone your ability to get what you want. I can tell that you, Roosh, must have worked for a shitty corporation back in your day by your attitude about annual reviews. Reviews should only be working in your favor. Yes you do have to endure a small degree of kissing ass to your superiors, but if you work hard, a good corporation will notice your abilities and dedication. If you aren’t being rewarded for your efforts, look elsewhere for a better career.

    Where do you think CEOs and CFOs are made? Sure, some incredibly entrepreneurial spirits like Jobs or Gates may take the road less traveled, but a huge majority of executives come from hard work in the corporate world. These CEOs and CFOs have the ability to actually contribute to the world in beneficial ways outside of the corporate realm. The CEOs are the ones donating to noble charities and causes.

    Don’t hate corporations because you couldn’t stand the competition.

  77. BobbDobbs April 13, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    It would be cool if we could all get paid for doing whatever we like. But at the end of the day, somebody has to shovel shit out of the barn.

    If it wasn’t hard they wouldn’t call it work. If it wasn’t hard they’d do it themselves and they wouldn’t pay anyone to do it.

    If you are getting paid you are a seller. If you are paying you are a buyer. It isn’t any more complicated than that. Who your customer is or who your vendor is are merely among the details of the arrangements.

  78. RSN September 9, 2013 at 3:24 am

    Man you are a genius. I roll my eyes internally when I talk to college girls and they tell me their corporate job dreams.

    I want you to know reading your blog everyday gives me hope to get up in t eh morning. The pick up community was and is needed because the Americannsystem has failed young men by draining and breaking down humans souls to help a bunch of old Jewish high finance bankster guys in suits who have the look of a dignified individual but the heart and verve of a infinite sewer as they use financial leverage and psychology to strip man of his birth right of individuality and freedom. I would add that if the common man said screw you bastards we won’t be your slave any more things could get better. Keep blogging Roosh piss in all the haters and piss on Zionist banker created feminism to destroy the toys society too. I love the irony of how Poland was under Communist Zionism and yet AeriKa is so free yet the most oppressed create better woman Han the so called free Americans. Amreroca is a big circus of corporate bull why masquerading I. Ideals that are publicly stated but no longer lived by but as Rage Against the Mahoney sang- we gotta take the power back.

  79. Minibepa December 11, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Here
    are couple additions to this article from me:
    #6 You have to drive in their parking lot
    with below 15mph, which makes you feel less than a high school student,
    that allowed 20mph;
    #7 you
    need to come up with some bogie initiative than you need to put into the
    ears of your boss, so your boss can come up with it: no benefits to you
    here; #8 your performance will be judged strictly by yearly peer
    reviews, and you’re out of luck if due to cultural differences you’re
    too open minded and straight forward toward the next cubicle guy

  80. wow you guys suck January 3, 2014 at 9:15 am

    For the record, I’m a woman who works with a male Human Resources Manager. I’ve worked with my share of males who are ignorant, dumb, lazy, and overall problem-makers. I’ve also worked with females who share the same qualities. Labeling genders is lazy and, quite frankly, just makes you look bad. This article, and many of the comments below, hold all people back from reaching potential and maybe, just maybe, discovering life and balance inside and outside of corporate culture. The problem lies within humans with limited creativity who are stuck in old boring conversations: “My job sucks, let me blame a woman.” How about, your job stinks, why don’t you be a “man” and do something about it. Let’s think of new conversations, ones that create change, not trouble.

    1. Christian P. June 16, 2018 at 5:46 am

      76% of all HR managers are female. So there not generalizing.

  81. Zyzz April 22, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    you get reamed out for little mistakes you make and never get credit/acknowledgement for anything you do right. very negative environment where you are only told of your faults

  82. Will Kim August 5, 2014 at 4:13 am

    Amen.

  83. KindaNotSure March 2, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    A simple answer would be become self employed…..the end.

  84. Highland26 April 17, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    Corporate culture is definitely not for me, either!

  85. ocdhd August 17, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    ROOSH V, with all the time you spend on these amazing articles you write, how in the world do you find time to get laid? You should screw each and every HR department. Make it your new mission. Keep those self centered losers busy while we plot a way out of this mess. HR needs to die faster than California water is evaporating.

  86. rpstephans July 26, 2016 at 12:18 am

    The problem with corporate America begins at the college level. The education system does very little to prepare college students for the actual work world where most graduates get funnelled into the bottom feeding corporate ranks. Instead of providing opportunities to experience and prepare for the bullsh*t that lies ahead, colleges teach you theory and content that is essentially meaningless. It is astounding how much the education system has also been corporatized simultaneously, increasing tuition rates every year. Of course, colleges love to preach mission statements but don’t be fooled, they’re all just big businesses.

    Corporations feed off the education system in place, associating with colleges to form partnerships aka screwing the little man. Knowing that most college graduates will do anything for a “decent” paying job, corporations take full advantage of their desperateness and naiveness. Colleges essentially serve as the minor leagues to big league corporations. I think the worst part is the fact that you NEED to have a college degree in order to work at a corporation. Working at two corporations myself over the past five years, my degree has served me very little. Having a college degree simply gives you a chance at a job but without one your screwed. You could be a better, more experienced candidate but without a degree you’re going nowhere. It’s sad because corporations simply require college degrees to narrow down their applicant pool. A degree is your ticket in the door but it’s then how you sell yourself to the company aka buying into their bullsh*t that really land you the job. What I am really trying to say is you really don’t need a college degree to perform a corporate job because it’s really how good you are at fellating your superiors and trying not to sink in their tsunami of sh*t.

    Besides the endless mounting pile of sh*t you are expected to put up with on a daily basis for chump change, you also must do it with a smile. Perception and acting are everything if you want a chance to move up in a company. If you don’t drink the koolaid right away, they will notice and make you out to be detrimental to the company. Don’t get me wrong, results are always important but if you dare challenge or bring up any ideas of your own, you are the enemy. Of course they always say they encourage new ideas but your best just shutting the f*ck up. If you’re not going to be their poster child, you mine as well start your own business or go deal drugs. It’s unfortunate that corporate America has everyone by the balls and it is virtually unavoidable since we are all consumers. The reality is everyone is working so that the upper 1-2% can keep making their astronomical salaries and continue flying their private jets around. This is the root cause of all America’s problems, the elite few have gotten so rich that you or I do not have a fighting chance. How can someone justify making billions of dollars and not be enough? I have been unemployed the last 6 months living off scraps but I rather be unemployed than a greedy piece of sh*t. Oh did I mention I got fired because of a white girl and her friend were able to leverage the black women in HR against me? Oh yeah, and it was over caddy bullshit. I love the reverse discrimination now against ordinary average white guys.

  87. Larry November 15, 2016 at 8:38 am

    I would love to reply but due to monitoring of social media I can not. That, in itse;f should speak volumes.

  88. Jenna January 22, 2018 at 6:05 am

    Hi, you know your article is very helpful and relevant. Im currently working in a corporate environment after four years in the academe and everything you said is true.

  89. Commenter June 29, 2018 at 7:21 pm

    oh, and working for the gov’t is even worse!