Why Nationalism Without Natalism Will Fail

I sat in a Polish park with a brown friend of mine. We were watching people stroll by when a large group of men approached us aggressively and asked, “Syria? Syria?” One man got into a fighting position and was ready to start throwing punches. I spoke in English and said I come from the USA. He apologized and the group went on its way. The experience confirmed what I already knew: Poland is strongly nationalistic.

While the encounter could have ended poorly, and I don’t support their use of violence, I can at least understand their reasoning of wanting to keep Poland Polish. They believe that Poland should exist as a unique entity that retains the genetic material of ancestral Poles, with defenses that keep interlopers from harming it. It’s this nationalist streak that led to large protests in Warsaw trying to stop the government from accepting a modest number of Syrian refugees. Since most Poles don’t want immigrants, I predict nationalist politics will triumph and Poland will continue to exist as a homogeneous country.

Problem solved, right? Well, not quite. While Poland is against immigration, and won’t be invaded anytime soon like the United States, Sweden, or Germany, they have been deeply corrupted by feminism and female empowerment. The current generation of young Polish girls firmly believe that they must embark on a career lifestyle that includes going to a university, traveling to exotic locations in the Mediterranean, having fun with casual sex that doesn’t end with reproduction, establishing a steady job, and then maybe getting married in their mid or late 20’s. While you will still find many Polish girls who want to get married in their early 20’s, the trend is beginning to match that of American girls who bought the Sex And The City lifestyle decades ago. Polish girls are being successfully programmed to become corporate wage slaves instead of wives and mothers.

A combination of Polish emigration to the United Kingdom along with decreased birth rates thanks to the rising careerist behavior of the women has led to sharp drop in national fertility that mirrors much of what you see in all of Europe. Here’s a chart showing the decline:

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The population of Poland has flat-lined since the early 90’s, and is likely to decline in the next decade.

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The reason the elite in Poland want immigration is because they need it to sustain a population where Polish women are being made sterile through both cultural and biological means. Since I believe the elite will fail to allow immigration, thanks to Polish nationalism, what you will see in Poland over the next generation is a sharp drop in the population of the country that leads to a shortage of labor and intense pressure on the state treasury from a growing elderly demographic. In other words, they’re looking at a stagnation outcome like in Japan where the economy and population will simply not grow. Japan’s population has just recently started decreasing:

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Even worse news for Poland is that Japan has a higher fertility rate:

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Nationalism without natalism will lead to demographic collapse. Immigration without natalism will lead to cultural collapse at best and war at worst. Nationalism with natalism is the only hope for a nation to survive. It is currently being practiced in Israel, which is seeing strong birth rates that is safely above the replacement rate:

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Israel’s lack of immigration ensures that their culture remains preserved while minimizing the chance of an internal war. Even without immigration, their population growth is so strong that it almost mirrors that of African nations:

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It’s clear that nationalism is far easier to push and propagate than natalism, because getting your women to reproduce requires the restructuring or removal of post-Enlightenment notions of individualism, a step that nativists and nationalists are avoiding to their own peril.

Europe is currently in a post-decadent age where all Christian nations firmly believe that women should be pushed into work to decrease their dependence on men. Until this is reversed soon through state or religious influences that get European women off their smartphones and into the kitchen, the long-term prospects of Europe are dim whether they keep the immigrants out or not. Eastern Europe may have a chance if they can turn on the natalist switch, but Western Europe is far too gone, and we can except their cultural collapse within our lifetimes.

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after reading many posts of roosh I came to the conclusion that the only place in the world where roosh will find his happiness is Saudi Arabia, I am not really joking I am so serious just convert to Islam and move over there, most middle class and wealthy men has multiple wives whom they married virgin, women can not drive a car, cant work, can’t open a bank account and cant even go outside without the consent of her husband, I recently stumbled upon a white German guy who converted to Islam and now he got two wives and moved over there.

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Maybe he should. Islam is coming after all. Roosh already has a head start over most of us, having been born in an Islamic family.

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Muslims are not the enemy. They are being used as a weapon by Zionists in this war. They stand behind the scenes while we fight it out amongst ourselves as they greedily collect the spoils. This is obvious. Muslims want their own lands, and to be left alone in them – same as Europeans. These people have been doing this for centuries. They use the same tactics over and over and we just fall right in line for the slaughter.

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I agree in the sense that Islam is largely a pawn being used by the global elites to further their agenda. I also agree that if we were to just leave the Middle East alone, a large portion of our problems involving the Muzzies would be solved. Of course, if they try to come in or start kicking up a ruckus within our borders, deal with them swiftly and harshly. But for the most part we should just leave them alone in their own area. They blow themselves up, no great loss. However, regardless we cannot ignore that Islam, pawn or not, is a major threat to Christian way of life. It sucks, because several of my closest friends are all of Islamic background. But we have to keep a close eye on them now. They could change at any time. Time to start stockpiling guns and ammunition.

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Agreed, we need to mind our own business, and leave the Muslim world alone. I hope leaders like Trump, Farage, Le Pen etc. will be elected and hopefully achieve this. I don’t think Muslims will bother us if we don’t interfere in their domestic affairs.

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Huh? Trump said he’d bomb the hell out of ISIS. So I don’t know why you think he’d leave Muslims alone.

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Not sure about Trump yet either, though he has said many times that Iraq and Afghanistan was a mistake. I sincerely hope he means it in a way that we need to correct the mistakes that has already been made, and from there on mind our own business, as I said. That’s the way I read him anyway.
BTW, with Hillary we are guaranteed to have massive use of the military in the middle east, as her record as secretary shows.

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“BTW, with Hillary we are guaranteed to have massive use of the military in the middle east, as her record as secretary shows”

And up-amped feminazi laws no doubt. If that witch gets elected the USA could be done.

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They want a global caliphate, so your claim is patently false.

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And we shall defend ourselves if necessary, but at our own borders, not in their countries. No Muslim immigration and minding our own business works. What are they gonna do then, invade Europe? They might be tougher, but their military is stone-age compared to the West.

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You make good points. Islam as the ultimate enemy is a red-herring. The average Muslim does not want to conquer the West, just a better life. Of course, if they are allowed to come here in vast numbers they will dramatically change our societies, but that is our fault for not controlling immigration (our elites’ fault).

Also, not bombing their countries would be a good idea. The war in Syria is largely responsible for the refugee crisis (even if many are not Syrians, I know). Iraq was a pretty acceptable country back in the 70s. Libya had better standards of living than most of Africa, and so on.

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AIPAC controls the US. As long as they have enemies, our military will be used to destroy them. Doesn’t matter the costs.

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You might be right. But its difficult to prove such a claim.
I`m aware of the theory that the jewish lobby killed JFK when he tried to stop them from influencing US policy, and also possibly halt the Israeli Nuclear weapons program. It`s possible, but again hard to prove

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..even if they did if we built a solid border and the poltical will was there there’s be more than enough military might to keep them out if they attacked. Wish I could mention a German politician among those 3 you listed of course could name a few names but no-one is quite on the level of Farage..

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Muslims spent almost a thousand years expanding across the globe in an attempt to put Christianity (and the Hindus, and the Buddhists, and the pagans) under its boot. When the Christians finally said “enough” that stopped them, and then the tide turned.
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Maybe if the west develops a reliable alternate energy source to oil, we could leave the Middle East alone to let it implode on itself. However, I don’t think for a moment that if Christianity lost the upper hand, the Muslims would be content to be left alone on “their” lands.

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They surely would be after this mess of intervention by the West. The problem is, the U.S. refuses to leave countries alone that have resources it desires.

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I was not completely joking when I said that if North Korea had oil, it would have been invaded a long time ago.

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No joke is required. The briefest of objective investigations into American foreign policy since WWII will draw the same conclusion.

Hell, all you have to do is take note of how the US refers to the rest of the world in its official communiques as if the various third-world countries belonged to the West in the name of democracy, which America doesn’t even practice anymore.

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The upside is that the USA now produces a surplus of oil.

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At what cost, and for how long?

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For a profit as long as it stays above $40 a barrel… and for over a century.

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Not yet.

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explains why the jews were kicked out and bogged down in just about every empire they were in. Like honestly how offen have muslim mid easterns and white christians fought. Just crusades, spain, ottomans and colonialism…thats it. rest was pre islam christian tribal skrimishes.
even gandhi was against israels creation. Hell Hitler got along with the persians.
Honestly americans never heard of muslims till 911. They were unkown, jews were more known. If they were so bad they would never forget that boogeyman.

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I’m not so sure Zionists are the cause as opposed to the beast known as the military industrial complex. Of course, the former might be responsible for the latter.

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I disagree. Islam is agressive and dominant by nature. If left unchecked muslims will convert and/or subjugate entire world.

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Give me a fucking break. “It’s the dirty Jews again!” Bullshit. Muslims are killing in the name of their pedophile. And I think Roosh would be happy if women returned to more traditional types, that doesn’t mean they should cover themselves, not he able to drive, etc…

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Not to mention the fact that Israel is fighting the same ideological war..

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Why the false dichotomy? Jews and Muslims both fuck over christian european countries in different ways.

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You didn’t grow up in Dearborn Michigan obviously

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you hipsters can joke but if there is a ‘takeover’ all we straight males have to do is grow a beard and get up for morning prayers…its the liberals, gays, feminists, abortionists, etc that will be getting tossed off buildings.

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The ‘takeover’ is by the jews, where they get us to kill each other via manipulations (see ww1, ww2) – no more wars for the jews!

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But it’s praying 5 times a day… I looked into it because I don’t really care about the rituals of the religion as much as the overall message–most major religions are very similar. But Islam has too many crazy rules to follow. It’s like you’re in a union or something with ‘make work’ rules.. pray 5 times, wash your hands in this order. Return to bathroom and repeat any time you fart.

Still, your point is understood, and maybe it’s worth all that to have sweet, submissive, feminine brides.

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It depends. The Ismailis are cool. The Aga Khan rocks! They are probably the most westernized and modern of the Islamic sects, and so most of the other Muslims consider them to be heretics. The guys are good beans and don’t run about blowing shit up. The women tend to be good looking, even shockingly so in some cases.
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Not that I am looking to convert, but if I did, I would go Ismaili.

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The problem with Islam is that regardless of how violent or inherently aggresive it might inherently be, it has been incredibly radicalized in recent years by Saudi wahhabism.

There were several sects like the Ismailis you point out which never posed much of a threat. Even mainstream Sunni Islam was reasonably moderate 70 years ago. As I read a while back, a big problem for the Sunnis is being a theocratic religion with open entry into the priesthood. This means that priests jockey for position by demonstrating superior holiness, constantly trying to stake out a position to the left of the other priests, radicals all trying to out-radical each other. The Saudis tried to head this off by being the most radical, but they were outdone by the Muslim Brotherhood, which was outdone by Al-Qaeda, which was outdone by ISIS. That’s why Shiites in Iran with their papal-like clergy don’t have such in-fighting.

If you add that to the wars and general dysfunction of Middle Eastern states you get a recipe for disaster. In my view, the fact that a large bulge of millions of young unemployable men have nothing to do with their lives explains much better the current chaos than any religious motivation.

Indonesia is by far the largest Muslim country in the world, yet we never hear anything from there. I wonder why.

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“most major religions are very similar”

Spoken like a feminist female on a MSM talk show.

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Any group of people that promotes family over feminism will succeed.

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Ha ha, not if the feminists have their way.

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And gays definitely don’t come out the closet, and no political correctness to speak of. Maybe you are right. So Saudi Arabia should be a manosphere paradise. Where is the stampede?

Even then however you’re just buying yourself time. I have no doubt that even the conservative Muslim countries will liberalize given enough time. The trajectory of social development seems to move from conservative to liberal. Look here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35086357

Women’s rights is slowing making progress in Saudi Arabia. In 100 years it will probably be no different than the West.

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The society in Europe in 1900 or 1800 would not be confused with Jeddah today. Just because a place isn’t a debauched egalitarian wasteland, doesn’t mean it’s not a wasteland of a different sort.

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China is socially conservative (not counting Shanghai, HK and perhaps Beijing). It’s not about Yellow Fever or anything, but the women are not slutty, fat-shaming is rampantly enforced, family values are important, gays are all but invisible, feminism knows its place, personal income taxes are a flat 9.2%. The whole “communist dictatorship” thing can wear on you, but if you are a bit flexible about your first and second amendment rights, then it is a good deal.

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I could see China being a better society for families and straight men on the basis of what you listed. Though things like widespread pollution and food safety are a bit turnoff. Plus I have zero attraction for Chinese women, I think they are at the bottom of the Asian beauty hierarchy.

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Income tax is 9.2% What are you smoking?

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Roosh does not restrict himself to dogmatic thinking; Islam is close minded religion and it doesn’t allow you to think independently and think outside the box. He is traditionalist. I think Roosh will do well with Islam but I don’t think that is the complete picture.

Islamic countries (while they keep their women in line) do not have bright future and they don’t promote science and logic; they get offended very easily and look what happened after Danish newspaper posted pictures of Mohammed in 2005. These guys rioted and stormed and burned buildings and stuff. They are too emotional (on violent level). Islam does not promote individuality thinking which Roosh is into.

Roosh appreciates some Islamic value but he is open minded to appreciate the beauty of western culture as well. I think he is pragmatic and he absorbs the good cultural elements of both side.

Western culture gives females TOO much freedom. Islam oppresses human freedom. There needs to be balance between both and that is where Roosh is at. If you read his articles and writing, this man is intelligent.

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“Islamic countries (while they keep their women in line) do not have bright future and they don’t promote science and logic; ”

You realize that the West got its “science and logic” from Islamic countries right. ???

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Islamic countries got their science from the Greek and Roman sources, right?

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You have been reading too much leftist media.

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yes well the achievements of the ancient Greeks have not really helped the country in the modern era…

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Yeast. It doesn’t make bread there any more.

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Disagree, freedom is not the problem an overreaching profeminist government is the problem. In a mostly free nation where the government is gender neutral with the application of it’s laws and benefits A patriarchy would arise on male merit alone.

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link,
hard to belive, 1 more males then females there only rich sheikhs an some villagers in the interior do this and 2 they are pretty nationalistic beyond belif they dont even marry out of the tribe

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As far as I know, Saudis don’t give out citizenship, even to other Muslims, and they are not too embracing of white guys even if they convert.
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Having lived in Toronto, Vancouver and a number of cities in China, it seems to me that you don’t have to move to the Middle East to have that lifestyle. I have seen all sorts of chicks running about in burkas and such.
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Join a mosque, build a social circle, and – if you have any reasonable financial means – get yourself a couple of wives. In Canada, you can only have one legal marriage, but who cares?
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The other alternative is to go all Fundie LDS. The problem is that the communities drive away all the younger men so apex males can marry and knock up all the young girls.
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If not the fundie route, LDS girls tend to be a solid bet: generally virgins who take family responsibilities seriously.

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Roosh is telling you what direction we are going. You can either agree with him or not (even if partially), but it has nothing to do with his happiness.

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Joshua Van Alstine an American born in Texas he converted to Islam and moved to Saudi Arabia, he got recently married with a Saudi woman, he makes loads of money online as he became a popular youtube blogger over there https://twitter.com/americanbadu

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The best part of it is that he belongs there. As the Polish men in his story said, he looks Syrian. He does not look American.

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Believe me when I tell you middle eastern women are no different than western women. They’re just more covert, but they all subscribe to the exact same slutty drama. The ONLY difference is that over there islamic law rules above all so punishments and tension is a lot stricter and higher. But women are the same conniving bitchy cunts over there, just slightly more “class”.

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Nicely written. I was waiting for a post like this since the nationalist marches in Warsaw. According to Wikipedia, the governing party (PiS) is very pro family:

“PiS promotes itself as a pro-family party. Prior to elections, it promised to build 3 million inexpensive housing units as a way to help young couples get married. Once in government, it pushed through legislation lengthening maternal leaves and offered qualified support to the idea of giving parents a grant for every newly-born child.”

There might be some hope if they make it their priority to rise birth rates to replacement levels within their four years in power.

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This is interesting. While I do think it’s true that feminism has hallowed out the fertility rate, I think it is still possible to see it rise even if you can’t defeat feminism. I think another major reason fertility rates are falling in the West is due to cost of living and difficulty of finding affordable housing and financial stability for many people in their reproductive prime. My father in the 70s was able to support a family on one income with a blue collar job. This is simply not possible anymore. Even adjusting for inflation, the price of homes has been on a tear for decades effectively forcing people to have to get an education and climb the corporate ladder during their prime reproductive years to have any chance of affording a home in their 30s. And in many cities, you simply cannot buy a home unless you are a two income family, meaning women have no choice but to work.

So maybe a solution in the West is government subsidies. Provide subsidized affordable housing to young married couples, give generous benefits to women who choose kids over career, free day care, etc. I know many in the ‘sphere hate anything that smacks of socialism but I think in this case it could address many of this issue.

Polls show that most people actually DO have the desire to start a family. Financial reasons though is a major hindrance.

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Money/debt/job market is a difficulty, no doubt, but let’s be real here. Our great-grandparents lived a FAR lower standard of living than we do. If we had a society structured to promote young intact families, we would have them. That’s what must change. No way around it. Subsidies are being tried the world over, to minimal effect. The siren call of feminism’s individualistic selfish decadence is too much to combat solely with monetary incentives.

True, most women will say they want to have a family………eventually. But AFTER the carousel, and travel, and degrees, and career, and materialism, etc. That’s the problem.

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You can defeat feminism, the problem is it will only happen when every man embraces shaming flapperism. Women may boil themselves alive but they will not suffer endless public ridicule without changing.

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A more sustainable solution is changing the cultural norms as to be conducive to natalism like Patriarchy.

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“Europe is currently in a post-decadent age where all Christian nations firmly believe that women should be pushed into work to decrease their dependence on men.”

They are still dependant on men.

But only specifically dependant on the top 5% OF MEN who are hardcore alpha males. Very specific men, and these men, being intelligent and alpha know the game, these women will betray you in 3 seconds even if they’ve known you for 3 years.

Women now claim they don’t want relationships, but it’s not by choice, it’s because they are failing to trap an alpha

loyalty = masculine virtue, and men used to project their own virtues onto women who only liked them for superficial reasons.

For these men, they are submissive, and very polite and caring.

The solution is to date a woman 3 notches below you, but you won’t be happy

If a woman doesn’t fear another woman taking you away from her, she doesn’t love you and will cheat on you 100%

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I agree with this, except the women are dependent not just on the 5% of top performing men, but also the legion of betas. This is really where their true power comes from. Weak men that will appease them, vote to give them more, and always unquestioningly believe them and white knight for them. Women are utterly dependent on these betas.

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“because getting your women to reproduce requires the restructuring or removal of post-Enlightenment notions of individualism, a step that nativists and nationalists are avoiding to their own peril.”

So Roosh is finally admitting that he is a collectivist?! Good, now we know that roosh is not better than Communist and Nazi scum that he pretends he is against.

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“So Roosh is finally admitting that he is a collectivist?! ”

Opinions are non-conclusive… and contradictions, the mark of genius

There are opinions, suggestions, facts,

What do you think the article is? a 10,000,000 researched study? it’s a free intelligent opinion. lol

everything is a half truth and therefore non-conclusive. A close minded comment you made.

Unfortunately, machine learning and AI is getting to the point where the pink squishy thing between your ears doesn’t really stand a chance against the mind-control in the long run 15-25 years

people are programmable, look at religion.

and who knows what kind of dirty technology exists by now, mind-control is real, its just too horrific to think about, and no one has written an article on the ease at which it occurs.

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If you expose a child to TV and psychological conditioning, you will make an obedient slave 99% of the time.

The enforced medications make this effect even more prominent.

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And 99% of US media is owned by jewish persons.

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Dude the government ie cia has likely succeeded in mind control, mk ultra. But a lot of the info is classified and they say it wasn’t very successful. With conditioning and torture and other things, mind control and departimentalized memory can be achieved

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This isn’t argument at all but just an emotional temper tamturm.

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Trolling much, huh? Collectivism is a broad category that includes Communism and Nazism but other ideologies. Such as Nationalism, which is necessary for a nation not to disappear in our times of globalism and birth control.

Blaming Roosh for being a Communist or Nazi because he rightly realizes that individualism is death, it is like blaming you for being a Communist because you believe in the Enlightenment, from which Communism is ultimately derived.

Next time, troll smarter so you don’t make a fool of yourself.

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Ho Ho Ho – israel has high birth rates and next to no autism (despite being a welfare state dependent on western money)

..but……… the rest of the world is almost uniformly having decreased birth rates and massive spikes & rises in autism. Despite working hard for a living

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Who have the last 5 FED bankers been – jewish ( at odds of 3 billion to 1)
Who makes up 50% of billionaires in the US – jews
Who is behind mass immigration – jews (google barbara specter)
Who attacked the US liberty – jews
Who has most to benefit from wars in the middle east – jews
Whose holy book says they can rip off non-jews – jews
Who has been kicked out of 109 countries since 250AD – jews
Who plotted for Christ to be killed – jews
Who poisoned and killed off Muhammad – jews

I think I’m seeing a trend here…

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Everyone needs to see ‘antiracist hitler’ on youtube to get some understanding on jewish strategy, for it is the jews who are pretending to be ‘white’ and then doing atrocities in our name, as well as their promotion of ‘white shame’ and subsequent race-replacement by others, which is not the fault of other races, but of the jews’ wars/genocide/other policies.

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..examples?

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Why would the jews not want any of these policies. Look at what nationalism means, you throw out people from a different group. This works fine for most groups. Except jews. Jews cannot operate because they produce nothing of value and israel is not resource rich.

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“Who poisoned and killed off Muhammad – jews”

Muhammad’s atrocity against the Qurayza Jews:

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm

The Death of Muhammad:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/mo-death.htm

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Jews are the ones as an international group trying to reduce the nationalism of others’; and increase the birth rates of their group only whilst foisting jewish-created marxist feminism onto other countries.

It stands to reason as a welfare state that jews would breed the most – they are stealing money especially from america as ‘aid’! They are a racist pack of supremacists who are ‘satan’ incarnate and wish to eliminate the white race and palestianians at a minimum, whilst making all others their slaves – and this does not even begin to describe the evils of this mind control death cult.

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Yes, they have brainwashed whites into doing their bidding and have stolen white men’s productive labors. The jews also want to keep third world populations in perpetual poverty too. The real white supremacists are not white men – this is how jews portray men who just want to live a simple live with their fellow brothers – but, the real white supremacists are the JEWS !
They created the slave trade for blacks, introduced communism to asia and South America, as well as foisting all sorts of other evil onto the peoples of the world; and people are waking up to this !

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Jewish people are some of the biggest nerds and pussies in the world. Cunning and clever they are, mighty and strong they are not. The worst among them are like rats, weasels and cockroaches- mere vermin. But it takes more than smarts to conquer the earth. There is no way they are in control of this planet.

The real people controlling the world? Right now it’s the Reigning Queen of England and her kind. I believe that the fiat world has been GRANTED by the Kingdom of England to the Jewish elite to manage and control while they sit back and get fat off everyone else’s sweat.

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Besides the slave trade, the biggest race traiting was when the jews sold out the blacks rights in the 1887 treaty. but for that most african americans would be eligible for homesteading, and there would be some economic floor for most african americans. They might still be poor )like hill billies), however they’d have land and be self sufficient (like hill billies). But the jews needed labourers, so that couldn’t happen.

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I don’t go along with this grand Jewish Conspiracy Theory business….some of you really seem to believe that Jews control the whole World.
I understand their weight of influence through the media, political donations, news, press, films and things like banking, but really don’t believe there is a Jewish Conspiracy to destroy the Western World.

Once, or if Europe and the USA slide to Islam, then Israel is finished, as they would lose the support they currently get from these countries.

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Nope, because Muslms are destroyers. The Saudis have more oil money than anyone on the planet and cannot even build a decent country with educated people. islamicst Arabs hate education and are generally lazy. This is why the Jews can conquer them all. The islamist arabs aren’t interested in education which is why tiny israel can have so much nukes and none of the muslims do. If the West crashes it takes the oil states with it, and Iran and co collapse too.

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Jews go to Europe, Asia, Africa and Americas, preach multi-culturalism. But Israel is a jewish state, go figures.

America should have drawn a line down the middle and split the nation in two. One half for white, one half for african american. Of course like any nation split you’d have some resource sharing ie. oil revenues would be split or other natural resources. Then everyone would be happy, there’d be no one to blame for ill fortune, nor racial failure, nor anything else. When the whites were practicing separate but equal if it were truly separate and equal, then there likely would be no complaints at all. Really it was the greed of those at the top who permitted jews to play the integration card.

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Absolutely. Jews preach feminism for others, but they don’t want it for their own country.
Feminism is good for the West, but feminism is bad for Israel. Have a look at this:

In Israel, the only institutionalized form of Jewish marriage is the
religious one, a marriage conducted under the auspices of the male
rabbinate.

There is very low divorce rate in Israel – 28 % compared to more than
50% in the US and Europe. Probably because in Israel, a jewish woman
can not divorse without her husband’s permission.

There is very high birth rate – 3 kids per jewish woman. In Europe, the birth rate for white women is 1,5, in the US – 1,7

The population replacement rate is 2.1

There is very high marriage rate in Israel, and very low levels of
cohabitation without marriage. Only 3 percent of kids are born to
mothers who are not married, compared to 40-50 percent in the West. Why is marriage important? Umarried women tend to vote to the left, married
women – to the right. In the US, 70 percent of unmarried women voted for Obama, while the majority of married women voted against Obama.
Therefore a society with high marriage rate will tend to be more right
wing.

A woman without a man in Israel is seen as something to be remedied; a woman without children – an aberration to be pitied.

Gender segregation in Israel is tolerated if it is for religious
reasons. In some areas women have been shunted onto separate sidewalks, and sometimes buses and health clinics have been gender-segregated.

Advertisers are covering up female models on billboards in Jerusalem
and other communities with large ultra-Orthodox populations. The female burka is not banned in Israel and there is a jewish sect where the women are wearing burkas just like muslims.

Israeli parents are highly involved in mate selection for their daughters.

A wife must receive permission from her husband in order to divorce
him, even if he is at fault. A husband can secure a divorce whether or
not his wife consents.

The rabbinical court than manages marriage and divorce is all male.

Cuckolding is not tolerated: a child born to a married woman from
another man is labeled as a bastard (mamzer) , and is not eligible to
marry another Jew.

There is low opinion for “illegitimate children” in Israel, where
they are called “mamzer”, which could mean a “bastard”, or a “son of a
prostitute”.

A married woman who had a sexual relationship with another man is not
allowed to marry the latter once her marriage is dissolved; a Cohen (a
man belonging to the priestly caste) may not marry a divorced woman; a
woman who has been separated from her husband for reasons beyond her control, such as war or disappearance – may not remarry at all.
Moreover, women whose husbands refuse to divorce them are also banned from remarriage.

A man may commit adultery and eventually marry his lover, while a married woman is forbidden ever to marry her lover

Same-sex couples are also excluded from marriage. Interfaith
marriages are not recognized either, since Judaism, Islam, and other
religions impose restrictions on marriage between people of different
religions, and in many cases even regard this kind of marriage as void.

The gender income gap in Israel is large – women earn 65 percent of
what men earn. The gender income gap in Israel is way bigger than the
one in the US and EU, where it is around 80 percent.

Abortion is illegal for married women in Israel.

Jewish women in Israel are not allowed to marry non-jewish men.

According to Avigail Moor, a psychologist who treats victims of
sexual violence and a researcher at the Tel Hai college in northern
Israel, more than 60 percent of Israeli men and 40 percent of women do
not believe that forcing sex on an acquaintance constitutes rape. As for
sex without consent in a relationship, only 18.5 percent of israeli
women and only 17.3 percent of men thought that was rape.

As Peter Beinart wrote in his New York Review of Books essay: “For
several decades, the Jewish establishment has asked American Jews to
check their liberalism at Zionism’s door.”

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Exactly, The notion of “white supremacy” comes from the Talmud which declares Jews as a people to be “chosen” above OTHER whites.

The Nazis did not come up with “white supremacy” , they were countering Jews claim of their white supremacy.
It’s the Jewish Talmud that declares blacks to be one step above monkeys.
The Nazis retorted , ” If that is true, then Jews are one step below monkey”
This idea of “chosen” Jews is even spread by Zionist Christians whose false doctrines were introduced to them during slavery , when Jews owned half of the slave plantations .and held up their edited version of the Torah to justify the practice.

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I understand that in Israel the Arabs have a higher birth rate than the Jews, I dont know what the Jewish birth rate is…so there’s that side to the story.

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The Hasidic Jews birth rate far outstrips the arabs, thereby there is a very high jew birth rate, compared to Arabs who get less resources spent on them.

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And ironically, the Hasidic Jews would get along great with the conservative Muslims–they believe almost identically except for some split centuries ago between two brothers… it’s all silly when you really think about it. They probably have more in common than with the modern secular jews in the Israeli government.

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The jews actually hide their real population numbers, as not to spook the whites and the arabs. They actually number close to 80 million and some jewish scholars have put the number far higher than that. They merely lie to hide their jewish agenda.

Whilst the evil jews number up to 40% of all jews, they do manipulate their ‘lesser brethren’ into doing their will – so almost all jews are part of that agenda (including controlled opposition jews who claim to be against their brothers). Seeing as judaism is a form of luciferianism where the jew is ‘God’ and allowed to abuse all non-jews; it is not surprising that over 2 billion people hold the view globally that such a people are a disease that needs to be cured; the remainder are just too poor to care, being slaves to the jews, with only a remaining 700 million – mostly in the west – being pro-jewish indoctrinated slaves – most of whom the jews will get killed in an upcoming war.

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80 million? lol lol lol

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Highly patriarchal the Hasidic Jews are.

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First, re: Israel, the last chart implies that Israel has a strong birth rate and doesn’t allow immigration. Israel allows worldwide immigration from anywhere to anyone with Jewish heritage. I think a lot of their population growth comes from this immigration, not from making babies.

Second, I don’t necessarily want to live in a place with ever higher population levels. Some of my favorite areas of the US are places like Montana, a HUGE state with a population of less than a million. Think for a second and imagine how it would look if it had a population of 8 million (like NYC). It would lose most of what makes it great. Indeed, discouraging population growth is one of the biggest issues for people living there. In fact I’d say a rising population level could be one of the most disruptive forces to a stable, nationalized society.

Third, Nationalism can be very dangerous. You and your buddy could have easily been attacked by that mob. After all, why should they care that you have a US passport? You’re still an outsider to their culture. One can argue that nationalism has lead to many of the deadliest wars and considering that the Great War signaled the beginning of the end for western civilization, and specifically patriarchy, I find it hard to support a policy of nationalism.

Finally, while acknowledging the dangers of nationalism, I can also see some of its great strengths and benefits. In principle at least. But how does that apply to the USA? Are we supposed to bond together and support the USA and its leviathan government and its values and principles because we live here? Because the USA is a nation of bellicosity, obesity, torture, immorality, third wave feminism, affirmative action, and tranny sex. That’s literally what the American flag symbolizes to me. Are we supposed to rally behind that?

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I think the reason they weren’t attacked is important. It wasn’t how they looked that would have lead to a fight. It was their status as migrants (invaders) that would have. Yes, nationalism can be dangerous, but it doesn’t have to be. You can’t have a nation, without nationalism. The alternative is the destruction of national cultures.

If you want to resurrect the old reactionary monarchies of Europe, that might be one way to go, to avoid the extremes of nationalism. But that’s not the kind of thing which is easy to refashion, once destroyed. At present, the choice isn’t between Imperial bureaucracy or Soviet bureaucracy, but Brave New World soft-Soviet bureaucracy and the nation state. Not an ideal choice for most of Europe, but that’s where we are.

The old America, the 19th century WASP America, is what that flag really represents. Not the present debauchery. We can’t cede our respective histories to the Left’s lies about them.

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To be slightly more philosophical–if you can’t have a nation without nationalism, why is it important to have a nation?

I would be all for resurrecting the old reactionary monarchies, but we are all taught how “democracy is great” and that’s just not going to happen. Sadly, there is no western nation still under a true monarchy, and I’m not going to live in an Asian or African monarchy. What alternative that leaves us, I’m not sure.

And the American flag represents America the same way the Nazi flag represents Germany. Those ships have sailed. America gets caught up on its “history” too much, when in reality it has a laughably short history. In Europe, they are used to rearranging borders, constitutions, and national governments every couple of generations, so change is seen as normal. In America we still want to pretend we are this good wholesome righteous republic that our freedom loving founding fathers fled their homeland for. Ain’t so.

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As to the issue of nationalism, haven’t you answered your own question? The old monarchies aren’t likely to come back, so what are our options? Is it not a choice between the nation state or the internationalist bureaucratic state?

Why is it important to have a nation? Well……we’re living the reason right now. Without a shared understanding of values and beliefs, a society atomizes, and all that’s left is the state. Which is why the Left has always sought to destroy faith and traditional culture/institutions. Stripped of those supports, people are just lumps of clay, ready to be shaped by their superiors.

As to the American situation, it’s important to bear in mind that Europe could reorganize its borders, governments, and constitutions, because and ONLY because its religions and cultures remained intact and separate. America tried to build a state, not on the basis of imperial monarchy, with a combination nations within. Nor upon a series of separate localized monarchies. Nor with a national democracy. We took a Anglo-Saxon, Protestant Christian population, and formed a government with traditional WASP substance, and covered it in the radical humanist rhetoric of the Enlightenment. That wasn’t a functional problem until mass immigration in the mid-19th century hit. We could pretend to hold Jefferson’s ideals, when the country was mostly WASP, as sort of an act of national make-believe. But eventually, the weight of mass immigration destroyed that collective WASP identity, and all we were left with, was Jefferson’s illusory rhetoric to hold together the teeming masses. More recently in the 20th century, the collapse of faith and cultural tradition among the natives, teamed with the post-’65 immigration flood have effectively delivered the coup de grace.

So yes, it’s true that America has a difficulty with its history, given the rhetoric of the Revolution, and the subsequent mass immigration. But to say that America has no genuine traditional culture, as Europeans are so apt to do, just isn’t so. Prior to 1850, this was quite clear. The traditional faith and culture might have been obscured over the years, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t, or doesn’t exist.

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White people are still 77.7% of the population according to 2013 Census estimates. Immigration is not what ruined this country.

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Why do you suppose all white people are the same? While the Dutch, Germans, and Scandinavians could just about be folded into the WASP base, because they were Protestants and came from stern Northern European cultures, the Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews came from faiths and cultures that weren’t just different from the WASP base, but were decidedly more hierarchical and collectivist. These later groups have only ever partially blended into the American culture, even to this day. This truth may be clouded by the overwhelming influence of our vacuous popular culture, which unites people in superficiality. But one need only look at the vaunted “attitude” of major cities in the Northeast and Upper Midwest, where these groups settled, and compare the lack of it, to cities where only WASPs or the like settled. That attitude, as one example, is not a WASP trait.

In most ways, they maintain distinctiveness of some sort. Look at the voting patterns. Up until the Sixties, it was legitimately said that the GOP was the Party of Plymouth Rock, and the Democrats (notwithstanding Dixie) were the Party of Ellis Island. The Democratic Party of the day wasn’t necessarily a radical party, though it did contain many radicals. Rather, in practice, it was the home of conservatives from the more collectivist and hierarchical nations of Europe. Namely, from Roman Catholic Southern Europe and Orthodox and Jewish Eastern Europe. Those faith traditions and cultures were never going to mix with the WASP base.

Yes, a large section of the Anglo base did eventually fall prey to the death of faith which has generally swept the Western world, as well as to the progressive project to, as Pres. Wilson once said “make a son as unlike his father as possible.” But that project was furthered in great part by the presence of a massive wave of voters who, by their religious and cultural instincts, were naturally inclined towards governmental oversight in their communities and lives, and who lack the inclination to form and maintain Burke’s “little battalions” in society.

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All white people are not the same, although I would say European culture as a whole is far more similar than Asian, African, Mideast culture, etc.

However, there are many who claim that the US was doing fine until immigration got “out of control” in the last few decades. White people still have a strong majority in the US population, therefore any failure in the culture or society can’t be blamed on immigrants (although this stat is no longer true with new births, and within the next generation or two, whites will be the minority). I’m not arguing that these immigrants will make America better or worse (that remains to be seen), only that they have had a minimal effect so far, and that what we see today is largely the result of white actions and policies.

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Are fellow Europeans closer to WASPs than Hispanics, Middle Easterners, East Asians, Indians, and Africans….sure. But that doesn’t mean they’re the same. One need only look at Yugoslavia or indeed the European Union to see it.

Sure, there are many people who think everything was just peachy up until Obama, or the 86 amnesty, or the ’65 Immigration Act. But they’re wrong. Each of those things worsened the problem, but the country had been greatly changed by the mass inclusion of non-WASP Europeans. That fear was one of the major reasons for the 1924 Immigration Act that virtually cut-off non-Northern European immigration altogether. They were too late. Post-civil war, we had one GOP president after another. Until Wilson/FDR were able to cobble together an Ethnic-North/Ango-South coalition. Thereafter, Democratic control until the radical Left destroyed the Dems in ’68.

Again….white people are not a religious or cultural group. Within Europe those distinctions are quite clear. They didn’t disappear with an ocean voyage. You completely understating the impact of those differences.

The post-’65 immigrants helped to elect Obama. Yes, 40% of whites voted for him as well, but look on the linked site, for the results of the 2012 election if only whites had voted. (While you’re at it, look at the results for only white males voting…observe as well, where those white males who would have voted Democratic reside and their demography)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/what-the-2012-election-would-have-looked-like-with#.ivxEJ173n
I know you go out of your way to defend immigrants here, and I don’t think we can say that to a man, they’re bad people. But even among non-Muslim immigrants (that’s a different kettle of fish), those immigrants are bringing with them cultural practices and values which are antithetical to traditional American values, beliefs, practices, and institutions. There is an extreme acceptance of corruption, of incivility, of tribalism, of pagan morality, and of passivity to the best interests of society, which will cause problems.

I don’t care if many of them are hard workers. And this sets aside the natural inclination of new arrivals to learn how to play the rigged welfare system once they’re here. We have plenty of people here who could be hard workers, if the government and the culture didn’t push the opposite. We need economic, cultural and religious reform, not the importation of economic band-aids, who carry with them a host of other problems.

I don’t care if they can start businesses. There are things more important in life than money. The survival and maintenance of your culture and society being a good example.

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Sure, there are many people who think everything was just peachy up until Obama, or the 86 amnesty, or the ’65 Immigration Act. But they’re wrong.

OK, We are in agreement here.

immigrants are bringing with them cultural practices and values which are antithetical to traditional American values, beliefs, practices, and institutions

Perhaps, and perhaps not. One would need to analyze examples of what these ‘values’ are and what the foreigners were changing. But regardless of this, the non-immigrant core of America, including the conservative supreme court and the rich white guys controlling the government and most major institutions including education, religion, health care, etc. have fully accepted other bad things like political correctness, racial and ethnic quotas, tranny sex, legal fascism (Obamacare is forced purchase of a private for profit service), no fault divorce, etc. In other words, even if one played devils advocate and granted that “corruption” and “paganism” were real problems thanks to immigrants, one could argue that the white American powerbrokers have created far worse problems on their own.

I don’t care if many of them are hard workers. And this sets aside the natural inclination of new arrivals to learn how to play the rigged welfare system once they’re here.

I want to live in a society full of productive, driven, people. I do my best to surround myself with people who are high achievers. And that is a higher priority to me than their nation of birth. Incidentally, welfare, whether it is good or bad, is used at a higher rate by non-immigrants than by immigrants.

I don’t care if they can start businesses. There are things more important in life than money.

There are indeed. I am far more concerned with social and societal progress than economic. However, let’s not move the goalposts. This discussion was in response to those that said immigrants are taking our “jobs” and ruining our economy.

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“This discussion was in response to those that said immigrants are taking our “jobs” and ruining our economy.”

Is it? The article was about Roosh’s view on nationalism and birthrates. Don’t recall much about the economy in there.

“One would need to analyze examples of what these ‘values’ are and what the foreigners were changing.”

The easiest way is to look at the voting patterns. Immigrants, even several generations in, vote overwhelmingly for the Left. And many of those who do vote GOP, do so for economic reasons, not for traditionally social conservative policies. Regarding post-’65 immigrants, like her or not, Ann Coulter does a nice job of summarizing some of those destructive cultural practices and their impact in her recent book. Prof. Victor Davis Hanson over at PJMedia also regularly documents the transition to 3rd world status of his ancestral farm community in the central valley of California. It’s not exactly a secret what immigrant communities end up like. And that’s without even starting with the Islamic communities……

“I want to live in a society full of productive, driven, people. I do my best to surround myself with people who are high achievers. And that is a higher priority to me than their nation of birth. Incidentally, welfare, whether it is good or bad, is used at a higher rate by non-immigrants than by immigrants.”

And traditionally, the most free and productive societies on earth have been WASP societies. UK, US, Canada, NZ, Australia. That’s not a mistake. It’s not happenstance. The institutions and society which allowed for this freedom and production, with order, was the result of the values, beliefs and practices of those societies, which emanated from their religion (Protestant Christianity) and their traditional culture (Anglo-Saxon).

The question you’re asking, is one which many in the GOP have asked over the years; whether the institutions and society of America can be separated from the faith and culture which birthed them. Those who think it can, are for open door immigration, because ANYONE can become an American. Those of us like myself, who think this folly, would like to shut off immigration from most sources, and think most past-immigration was a disastrous calamity.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I think the reason for this mistaken belief, goes back to the Revolution, when the substance and rhetoric of the Revolution were confused with one another. Such that in the years that followed, uniquely WASP beliefs were taken to be products of the Enlightenment (rather than of faith and culture), and since they were universal in nature, they were equally applicable to anyone, regardless of faith or culture. In short, if you show up and work, you too will become “American.”

It’s the idea of America as an idea v. America as a culture.

Yes, the native core has wandered away from their ancestors faith and culture. Just as they have in Europe. And that may justly be called the root of the problem. But while stopping immigration won’t solve that problem, I can’t see how continuing immigration would make it better, and I can see how it could make it incalculably worse.

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The voting pattern I find interesting is that your average, college educated person will tend to vote Republican. It’s grad students, professors, and high school drop outs that overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Never mind about what would happen if only white people voted, if you restricted voting to people with IQs between 90 and 140, Democrats would never get elected.

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The institutions and society which allowed for this freedom and
production, with order, was the result of the values, beliefs and
practices of those societies, which emanated from their religion
(Protestant Christianity) and their traditional culture (Anglo-Saxon).

You can scratch protestant from it and you would be right. Besides the fact that protestants cannot be called Christians, if the best the WASPs can get elected is Wilson and FDR, you are screwed.

BTW you got a point but immigration is not the main reason of your decline, at least not the immigration of most of the groups you cited (Italians, Irish, Poles). When I see an Irish mogul powerbroker able to put or ruin presidences then I will concede your point.

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The thing is, white women and married women voted heavily AGAINST Obama. Blacks voted something like 98% in favour of Obama (so who are the real racists?)

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Immigrants largely flock to cities, and cities are the economic and cultural centres with far more importance than they should have. Whites are no longer a majority in Toronto. Richmond, in BC is 56% Chinese. The rest of the Greater Vancouver Area looks more like Beijing or the Punjab rather than a WASPy city.

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I was surprised to read how urbanized the USA is. You would think the US is one of the lesser urbanized countries. Not true. 81% live in urban areas. While the worldwide average is around 50%.

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Nationalism normally doesnt require violence. But when nations are led by a hostile elite collectively seeking demographic replacement of all Western countries through mass immigration and refugees, then violence becomes necessary to oppose that.

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The WASP culture is what made Anerica, period.

You take that away, like what’s been going on since the 60s and you end up with a Balkanized shithole, like we have forming in front of our eyes.

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Baby steps, Roosh.

When the sink is overflowing, the first step is to turn the water off.

Unclogging the drain is the more difficult, time-consuming job.

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what would happen if you told them you were from Iran or Armenia instead of USA? What did your brown friend said?

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He’d be recovering at the hospital. Because America is associated with power and status in the minds of many abroad, that’s what saved him. Roosh better be cautious in being pro-nationalist. Those guys obviously didn’t consider him white if they approached him thinking he was a Syrian refugee. Nationalism in E. Europe will be dangerous for Roosh.

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A combination of Polish emigration to the United Kingdom along with decreased birth rates thanks to the rising careerist behavior of the women has led to sharp drop in national fertility that mirrors much of what you see in all of Europe.

You’ve conveniently excluded another major factor – western sex tourists in Poland, such as yourself and your followers. Why?

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The irony though is that Polish people are some of the most prolific emigrants. If they want no non-Poles in Poland, then maybe they should recall their Polish diaspora living abroad in other countries. It reminds me of guys who want to fuck women of other races but will go to war if guys outside their race touch their women.

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yeah polish are funny that way. they have really started to fill up britain. my personal opinion, they should send all the men back (they work harder than the typical low end brit and are generally more qualified. i’m talking about the educated lot, not the low wage sports direct wearing masses you usually get doing the hotel backend and roadworks jobs) and keep the polish women for british men to breed with.

Maybe that would give a boot up the arse of british women so they start behaving like good traditional housewives, instead of drunk slaggy women (shout out newcastle, cardiff and nottingham) that behave like sloven drunkards and instigate fights before jumping on a plane to jamaica or north africa to have their cushion pushed in by some monobrow foreign dude who knows how to treat them like they wish to be treated (badly and without protection).

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I don’t know if there’s a word for it when women en masse reject mating with their own nationality, but pure blood nations seem to be afflicted with this type of think while mixed race and semitic nations mate and proliferate with their own and in great surplus. The more ‘raceless’ the nation, the more they breed and especially the more they breed with their own. White EU women say things like ”anything other than their native men” when asked what kind of man they desire. Baltic nations too. Estonian women strangely have so called ‘sayings’ like ”anything but an Estonian guy”. Japs, same thing. It seems the recessive trait purebloods all over the world are being conditioned to proclaim that they refuse to breed with their specific tribe. With mixed race nations, it’s the opposite. I’ve never heard a Mexican woman proclaim she’ll do blacks, whites, anything but another mex. Packies same way. The dominant trait, mixed race nationalities mate with their own and they don’t blackball their own culture or nationality like pureblood nations have been doing. They proliferate with their own and in great numbers. Marx described something that he termed as ‘WORLD MAN’ which was a completely mongrelized human race which was as a raceless zombie worker slave for the state. Marx proclaimed that mixed semitic ‘world man’ was the future for mankind. I’ve heard many times from simple co workers and acquaintences that the races should be all ‘mixed’ and this would end all wars and sorrow on the planet. The world according to Marx would then become the famed ‘workers paradise of peace and plenty’. I’d like to probe and find the exact source from where so many people had this idea planted into their minds. Recounting, I myself never heard this proclaimed verbatim in all my schooling. I hear a tremendous amount of this as word of mouth. This particular message is being disseminated with much voracity and it’s by word of mouth, socially and by street culture.

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I’ve known Mexican women that prefer other types of guys. I’m not so sure about this theory of yours. I think it’s more along the line of American guys being sick of American women and the grass is always greener effect. There’s always going to be a given percentage of every country that is xenophiles.

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Hey I just wanted to comment on your recent comment on the Returnofkings article on Islam which was full of inaccuracies and holes, it’s a perfect illustration of the ignorance that runs amok the manosphere community.

Firstly the Indus Valley civilization predated the Aryans and HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM! Btw the Aryans arrived in the area when it was close to being abandoned due to climatic shifts; the Aryans were barbaric illiterate nomads who were backwards like the Huns and Turks from Central Asia, and they had no prior settled civilization or civilization like Sumeria or Indus Valley when they migrated there. The Indus valley was constructed by the Dravidian like people there before the Aryans entered India, not by the Aryans.

The had no writing systems or maths, or sciences, or reading capabilities, or books, and they didn’t even know of farming/agriculture or invent it by this time period, and they had nothing to do with what we attribute as civilization and there is no evidence of them having it.

They were basically the pre-mongol empire mongols and pre-hunnic empire huns of their day, and when they invaded the Indus valley civilization. The people of the Indus Valley went into South India, West into Iran to become the Elamites and Medes, and East into India when the climatic shifts started happening which was BEFORE the Aryan MIGEATION period. By the time Aryans showed up the civilization was half-way to nearly fully abandoned.THIS IS A FACT!

Secondly the Ancient Indians and Indians had already come up with Algebra, and geometry, Pythagorean theorem, the decimal system and the numerical system BEFORE the Ancient Greeks AND THE ARABS! The Arabs did not invent Algebra, infact THEY EVEN ADMIT IT IN THEIR BOOKS THAT THEY GOT ALGEBRA FROM THE INDIANS IN THEIR BOOKS! Infact this is where THE ARABS GOT MOST OF THEIR PRIMARY MATHEMATICAL THEORIES AND FOUNDATIONS FROM! FACT! They were doing CALCULUS LIKE MATHMATICS HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE NEWTON!

Thirdly, there is no evidence whatsover that the mathmaticians and scientists with multiple wives that you talked about, were actually white except vague paintings, modern eurocentric interpretations and made up none-sense by ignorant online WN’S and moronic westerners. Yes there was a MUSLIM BLACK GUY who came up with the theory of evolution or something close to it BEFORE DARWIN! And no, the Moorish, Persian and Arab etc mathmaticians/scientists that contributed to the so called Islamic Golden Age would ever pass for white in places like America, Northern Europe, or Australia.and there is no evidence that they would, but it’s most likely they would be racially profiled, called Wogs or sandniggers.

Fourthly, most of the scientists and contributors to the Islamic golden age was actually non-Muslims or forced Muslim converts. Islam is at it’s core anti-science, the reason why there even was an Islamic golden age at the time was because the Arabs Muslims had managed to take over an area and past-their prime civilizations/societies that had overrided the barbaric protocols and programming inherent in the Islamic religion through their peoples and cultures. The real Arabs of the Arabian peninsula who started Islam were backwards illiterate camel jockeys without a history of sophisticated advanced civilizations or literacy or anything civilized.

The Muslims had to continuously take and steal from more advanced peoples and learned societies or older societies that were advanced to further propagate itself and continously stand/survive as an ideology, none of this Islamic golden age stuff was homegrown but mainly made possible by the contributions of non-Muslims and older more advanced societies. The Muslims simply stole or put together/salvaged or forced intellectuals and thinkers from other societies to run the Islamic empire, it was never a homegrown true Arab phenomenon.

But as we saw with the Mongol invasions and with the Western under-handed and covert insertion of radical groups and manipulation of factions within Muslim countries, Islam reverted back to it’s natural most basic programming once they were over-powered and they had no capability to conquer more advanced civilizations to steal/loot from and that was one of barbaric primitive camel humping backwardness.

I would say that terrorist groups like ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, etc are the truest and most genuine versions of Islam since Mohammed’s time period! Moorish Spain, and Baghdadian science Islam was not even true Islam or even true to the tenets of basic foundations of the Islamic religion.

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I think that which you mention there, all the races being mixed is certainly happening whether we like it or not, but as for it ending all war and sorrow on the planet will have to wait and see.

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I would be interested in seeing birth rates of Muslims living in Europe vs native birthrates. I’m sure it would illustrate the collapse of western culture and the rise of Islam.

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Roosh, I think it’s time to admit that Poland is dead, and the rest of Eastern Europe is soon to follow. There is no turning back once the cancer of leftism has been inflicted on a nation. What will you do next?

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but saying this for years and with israel worth noting that the jewish population is growing while the local arab fertility is declining, they know exactly what they are doing

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Defund secondary education – the environment is infantilizing,
the debt is burdensome, and it crushes the birth rate

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Roosh has covered all the talking points excellently here. There’s very little to add.

If you love your country fuck your women and breed with them. THEN enforce your borders.

Problem is most of your women [in uk, western europe and the US] are shit because of technology + feminism + atheism (shamelessness)+ feminist media + chemical birth control+ destructive anti-familial governmental policies+ corporate interests willing to sell men under the bus to get that purse people’s wives have.

So we go outwards like big game hunters poaching other people’s women before their lands too become shit due to the aforementioned afflictions listed above. [i’m not knocking, i will likely do this too]

Then their guys get pissed and have to go out elsewhere as well to find women.

life is so backwards we are living in a ponzi scheme.

future generations will be broke, their jobs lost to automation or foreign workers, their profits wicked away from their country to wherever that has less red tape, their people aged and lethargic unable to compete globally, or to sustain the welfare bubble they have created around themselves.

here’s a solution but its anti-economic. become protectionist.

thats not going to happen, its too taboo to say that in a globalised world

culture will die before technological and economic progress does

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As a Canadian, I see Canada as a state of mind rather than a place or ethnic group. The problem is that from the top down there is a complete decay in values. What are “Canadian Values” in the mind of our current Prime Minister? Sodomy and abortion. Guys fucking other guys up the ass and women killing their children in utero: that is what makes Canada great. He implied that he would want Quebec to separate if the rest of Canada did not agree.
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I have been living in China for the last few years and sometimes it seems like these people are more Canadian than the cretins I left behind. My girlfriend, soon to be wife, is a wonderful woman. I intend on making as many babies as economically feasible. Yes, they will have a Chinese heritage, but I will try my damnedest to raise them as good Canadians and insert them into the population at one point.

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Folks, now that the old culture is undergoing a shift and some madness is the result as in rome

the oppurtunity arises for new culture creators to emerge

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Controlling the narrative and influencing the zeitgeist is imperative moving forward. Television and newspapers are dying but governments are colluding for control over the internet now.

As old media goes extinct we must fight for internet freedoms against United Nations manipulations. eBooks, blogs, music and good ole fashion conversations at the gym or gun range are some of the ways we can begin to shape the new cultural swing back to the right.

Marketing must been seen as the new hated profession more than lawyers and bankers. Shame peers in the marketing majors in your schools and continue to insult them until people realize that marketers shame you for not perpetuating culture rot.

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Theoretically if a mass of people kept off mainstream media sites for a few days it would have a large impact on their revenue from online marketing..

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People cannot be so stupid to honestly suggest converting to Islam. That’s pretty much like mentally returning to Dark Ages.

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Can someone clarify something? Roosh is big on traditional family with the woman staying at home and taking care of the nurturing side of the family ,I get that. What I’m missing is say that I found a woman in the U.S that was cool with breeding and staying home taking care of the kids, cooking cleaning, fucking etc..The classic 1950’s family setup.
What i’m not getting is being able to afford a house in order to have the room for a family as opposed to a ghetto lifestyle. You’re talking a single breadwinner to have at least three kids in order to sustain population levels in the country. A MAN would have to earn about AT LEAST 100k a year to be able to afford the house and the 3+ kids AND the miracle of keeping his wife happy and intellectually satisfied during this whole plan.
WHO THE FUCK can bring in that kind of money afford that kind of family in this day and age? Maybe someone in the industrial military complex? A STEM field occupation? These occupations require BLUE PILL mentallity. Nerds that dont question reality. People that come from Indian, middle eastern third world backrounds that dont question the life of being a drone their whole life in order to live an upper middle class lifestyle. AT ALL COSTS.
The whole impetus to awakening to the red pill was realizing this world of outsourcing, depressed wages, open borders where the American dream is just that, a DREAM. We got sold a bill of goods and sold out by our politicians. We now know this is bullshit. We learned we cant get the American dream if we did anything other than computer sciences and the tech field.
So how the fuck do we afford the classic nuclear family dream that Roosh uses as a model for re establishing the patriarchy and socio political homeostasis and a future for America? Any takers?

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The average income in Canada is something like $50k a year. The average guy makes about $65k. It is simply out of the question for all but the elite to own a detached home in a major, urban centre. The average price in Greater Vancouver is a million bucks.
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However, on $65k a year you could afford a $200k mortgage, a modest vehicle, decent food, clothing and other necessities to cover a family of five. It’s not high living but it is doable.
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I will take a stab at living the American Dream. . . in China. I won’t be buying any real estate here but my earning potential is two to five times higher than the Chinese guys I work with and they seem to have no trouble supporting a wife and kid. Once I finish my present contract I will land a new job and get my girlfriend to quit hers, and then get down to some serious baby-making.

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You’re right. If you’re not making more than 100k you can forget about it. I’m still working on wtf to do though.

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You can’t make 100k a year?

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A friend of mine from high school (so we have known each other for more than 30 years) decided to pack it in a move to Budapest, where – following the death of his mother and stepfather – his remaining family live. I haven’t talked to him in a while but the impression I get is that Hungary is rather nationalistic. I don’t know about the women but it seems to have its fair share of lookers. However, I don’t think they age well because the food (which is delicious) has more carbs than you can shake a stick at.

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Demographics and it’s impact on history is a very misunderstood and unstudied area. It explains the rise and fall of nations and empires.

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Israel may have the nationalist and natalist practices in order, but they are still being out-bred by the Muslims all around and inside their borders.

The big question for Israel is what will they do when there is finally no more meat to pick off of the carcasses of Western Europe and North America to support their artificial existence in a hostile environment? Who will be next in line to support their resource-poor geography? Asia doesn’t have an AIPAC equivalent and feels no guilt trip over the holocaust, so it will be a tough sell to get any of those countries on board to the same extent. But I believe they are trying.

I recently saw a brand new public information display in Hong Kong about the holocaust. Yes, in Hong Kong, where the only Jews are expats working for Western multinationals and banks. This display could represent nothing other than an early effort at indoctrination in a land with zero cultural or historical connection to the middle east. Given the regions experience with equally or worse (yes, worse) horrifying mass murders like the Great Leap Forward, the Khmer Rouge, North Korea, etc. I’m not convinced Asian populations have much appetite for another guilt trip imported by foreigners.

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Our grandmothers and mothers had the courage to do something different and design their own lives apart from what they saw among their own sisters and mothers. It wasn’t men that held women back from emancipation, it was their own imagination and acculturation. If things are to change along the lines the way our host, Roosh, suggests and our peoples find a way not to perish, it won’t be just men who lead the way. Things are far too gone.

Once again women need to have the imagination and desire to forge a life different from their mothers and sisters. It will certainly not be easy. What woman will be immune to the judgment and criticism if she goes off the typical path taken by all of her sisters through college, career and cock-carousel… and consciously decides instead to start a big family while still young enough in a stable household with two responsible parents in addition to the support of nearby kin and grandparents? Girls are herd animals and very few are independent thinkers or revolutionaries. While I’m not necessarily a fan of the first waves of feminists and the unforeseen consequences that women’s liberation unleashed, those early leaders do get my grudging respect because of their courage to go against the grain and do something differently than they had ever seen. However once a few high-profile high-quality high-status “alpha-females” opt out of career and public life for a low-profile life of family and children, the herd will follow and a trend will be launched. We need to make it worth aspiring to young marriage. We can make young mothers cool and common again.

If our community is to succeed in making a the transition to a hopeful future, it will require courageous men and women who reject the culture of distraction and death that dominates our society as they instead choose life, hope and family in the face of much opposition and condemnation. I don’t quite know how it will work, because everything is stacked against them; economy, education, job-market and so on. It’s funny that the progressive women’s activists are so blind in their acceptance of birth-control. If we didn’t have those technologies and practices, we might have actually been able to adapt our society and economy to our nature… the natural human biology of men and women. Instead we have subordinated our nature and biology to the economy and culture… When our biology protests, the culture says, “Here take this pill or get this surgical procedure so you can better fit in our career-ambition culture. Now go back to your desk sweetheart and get to work!”

I’m not sure I can clearly see the way forward and what the destination will look like. The first feminists could hardly predict how things turned out either. But I think I see a step in a promising direction. Rather than ranting at the destructive influences that demand we continue the march to our extinction, we could turn our backs on that culture of death. I know how satisfying it is to hate our rivals, but perhaps we could turn that energy into something constructive. It will be hard to be indifferent to all the odious currents churning in our culture, but perhaps we can focus our attention on building what is next so we can truly leave everything else behind.

I don’t think I’m alone in this sentiment either. I sense something
hopeful and constructive in spirit in what I’m reading about the
Neo-Reaction. So what’s next after all? Perhaps some kind of conscious communities that would be hospitable to the kind of lifestyles and values… where young families could make worthwhile contributions and be able to sustain themselves economically and spiritually. Another important step would be to package the values in an attractive and palatable way that will appeal to community leaders, business owners and employers so they would be open to engaging men supporting young families even when their biographies might make them unattractive according to current conventional hiring criteria. After we’ve won some high-profile advocates, the momentum will be difficult to stop. We’ll probably never convince everybody, but that’s ok, as long as we’ve found a way to make a space where we can flourish. But in the end for our opponents who march to the culture of death, the prognosis is not good. If they do not change, extinction is their inevitable destiny.

In the meantime brothers and sisters, it’s time for us to get breeding.

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If alpha females opt out of the public eye, then they have no real power to influence other females to make the same choice. Feminism is kind of a virus that way. Smart, bitchy women convince others to come over to the dark side.

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Aaron Clarey seems to disagree that declining populations are bad. Link:

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2015/12/theres-nothing-wrong-with-declining.html?m=1

Thoughts?

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‘NATALISM’ . . Good term there. The word ‘natalism’ sums up a book’s worth of debate points and streamlines arguing for tribal hegemony or arguing for nationalistic health making the dialogue swift and to the point. Pro natalism needs to be pushed with fanaticism. Anti natalists should be seen for their motives. When someone argues an anti natalist point or presses an anti natalist agenda to be implemented against a certain group, they need to be called out immediately. The target group should call out the agenda and call out the purveyors of the agenda. Most people would never tell you to your face that they want you and your kind dead and would never express such an opinion verbatim. Instead they’d tell you to get a vasectomy or encourage your females to work shoveling paperwork instead of breeding. The people that would tell you directly to die off and extinct yourself would get lynched in doing so.

The message of anti natalists is strong and widespread. Many people that seem to be anti natalists are really only parroting what they believe is popular opinion and trend but when pro natalist points are brought up, that’s when they either rev up their argument or fold and acquiesce. Only a hard core belligerent to your tribe will continue to argue for your tribe to practice anti natalism. A true patriarch would never advocate anti natalism against any tribe. Anti natalism is a force from hell and brings the spirit of the wrathful scorned bitch, the force of death. The sword of patriarchy will chop it down and has time and time again throughout our history as a species. We in the west have to be able to sort out the real anti natilists that want our tribes dead and separate them from the ignorant party liners who only parrot what they were taught.

One way to single out the die hard anti natalists is to preach pro natalism. This will rouse the devout of the enemy to a marathon debate. One or two points argued and any sympathetic tribesman would shed their anti natalist brainwashing. The die hard enemy must be distilled out. Call out the anti nats as if though they were commies that wandered into a snake eater revival with cowboy hats and shotgun salutes. It’s very important to discern the REAL enemy from the simple dupes that cannot form original ideas and speak as thought slave cows.

A lot of fags live an anti natalist lifestyle but they’re not the enemy. They’re unfortunate victims of brainwashing. They’re humongous dupes and they also get rolled occasionally. But how many actual king pin promoters of anti natalism against your tribe ever get rolled? The king pins think they’re safe, warm and fuzzy behind their curtain. They’re smaller in number yet they’re like a tidal wave of effective destructive force against your tribe compared to the poor cnfused ‘fag’ who is but a drop of water in comparison. You have to shit test people to see the source of their anti natalism, find out whether they’re merely are a non thinking follower of anti nat ideology or if they’re a pundit for enforcing anti natalism against you. You need to know always if the person you’re dealing with has a benevolent face, or if their eyes are really shark eyes like staring into a double barrel, and if they really want you and your tribe annihilated. Shit test and call out the real enemy. With its health and bearings regained, THE TRIBE will dutifully march the anti natalist enemy into the sea. INTO THE SEA WITH THEE.

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“Polish girls are being successfully programmed to become corporate wage slaves instead of wives and mothers.”

Indeed. They’re abandoning their Catholic culture of not using contraception and thus having 15 children. They could even end up embracing immigration. They’re being programmed not to end up like Israeli women – getting fat, being tired from looking after 3 children all day, and not being interested in sex.

“Israel’s lack of immigration ensures that their culture remains preserved ”

Israel doesn’t lack immigration. Far from it. Any Jew in the world can emigrate to Israel and are actively encouraged to do so. And they do. Unfortunately you won’t get much sex from those who preserve their culture – the most religious.

But the culture isn’t being preserved either. Fat, feminist bitches are demanding to be able to pray at the wailing wall and women are obliged to do national service in the forces. Over 50% of women go to work and the Jewish mother is notoriously the boss of the family. I don’t think you will like Israel or Israeli women.

“Europe is currently in a post-decadent age where all Christian nations firmly believe that women should be pushed into work to decrease their dependence on men.”

Or it could be that women have been educated and no longer wish to spend their days in the kitchen being bored to death or shagging the hunky milkman. Especially when they have automatic washing machines, microwaves and access to McDonalds.

You boys need to grow up. The world you yearn for no longer exists.

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“Or it could be that women have been educated and no longer wish to spend their days in the kitchen being bored to death or shagging the hunky milkman”

I don’t believe it matters what they want. That’s just selfish behavior. Women are like kids. Do you always care about what your kid wants? Of course for women its easier to have 1 kid and carrier or to be childless. Men could also be selfish like women and say: “its easier for us not to get married, not to pay taxes and be mgtow”.

What matters is what nature wants. Euro women made a faustian bargain. Give us good life now, let he future generations pay. The point remains that europeans do not reproduce themselves in sufficient numbers, so if this continues, they will go away. That behavior is unadequate and evolution will replace euros with other peoples, with different culture.

Not to mention the dysgenics in our current society, where the most educated and successful women are also those women most likely to be childless, which is clearly not normal (for example this wasn’t the case before 200 years), which is leading to the lowering of IQ of western populations (idiocracy).

So clearly current feminised western society is not normal, and it will be replaced by something else. What is going to replace it, i ‘m not sure. Demographics are suggesting that Islam will replace current european culture. As for North America, i don’t know. It will probably look more like South America, and South America is more macho/conservative.

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“Men could also be selfish like women and say: “its easier for us not to get married, not to pay taxes and be mgtow”.

Breaking news from the 20th Century! Unmarried working women pay taxes! And working feminist bitches pay more taxes than most men because they are better educated and successful. Women could be as selfish as men and say: “its easier for us not to get married, to pay our taxes and be wgtow”.

“Euro women made a faustian bargain. Give us good life now, let he future generations pay.”

I think you’ll find that European men made the same bargain. I know a few.

There has been no lowering of IQ anywhere, apart from the USA where Trump disease seems to have spread throughout the land.

Western society has not been feminised and Islamic women are also having fewer children. (Iran has a birth rate of 1.83 per woman. Less than the USA.)

However, I wish you luck in your old world where condoms are the only form of contraception and you don’t get to reproduce because no woman will tolerate your macho views.

You could try South America I suppose. Don’t go to Brazil though. The birth rate is lower than in the USA. However, you might fit in with the Yanomami tribe deep in the Amazonian rain forest. They do good drugs there too.

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“Breaking news from the 20th Century! Unmarried working women pay taxes! And working feminist bitches pay more taxes than most men because they are better educated and successful.”

I’m sorry, but you live in some kind of delusional, phantasy world. A you a child? Actually men pay the vast majority of taxes (70 percent).
https://fullfact.org/factchecks/women_men_gender_gap_income_tax-28758

A female doctor for example is far less productive than a male doctor.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/opinion/12sibert.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2

As far as education is concerned, the more female-dominated a college major is, the lower the average IQ of the students studying in the major. Women dominate low IQ majors (social work), while men dominate high IQ majors, such as STEM.
http://www.randalolson.com/2014/06/25/average-iq-of-students-by-college-major-and-gender-ratio/
Also, from what i see women are less successful in proffessional life compared to men. For example women represent only 25 percent of professors, 28 percent of doctors, 33 percent of millionaires, 30 percent of business owners, 12 percent of billionaires, 5 percent of Fortune top 1000 CEOs, 8 percent of software developers, and 6 percent of pilots. Among high-growth companies, women usually account for less than 10 percent of founders, and invent almost nothing – only 5.5% of holders of all commercial patents in the U.S. are female, and only 5.6% of Nobel Prizes have been awarded to women.

“I think you’ll find that European men made the same bargain. I know a few.”

Nope, i think it is euro women that made a faustian bargain because they have much more to lose from an Islamic Europe in the future, compared to euro men.

“There has been no lowering of IQ anywhere, apart from the USA where Trump disease seems to have spread throughout the land.”

There is general IQ decline in the West. It is attributed in to the fact that the most highly educated women in society are also having fewer children than the less educated women.
Evidence suggests that the IQs of people in the UK, Denmark, Norway and Australia have declined in the last decade.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/mind/iq-in-decline-across-the-world-as-scientists-say-were-getting-dumber/news-story/f08cbe3b4ab62c500e28d4a4e3b64780

Data fot the US also suggests IQ decline.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-03/americans-have-never-been-dumber

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/brookings-now/posts/2015/07/decline-in-average-intelligence-marine-corps-officers

East Asian students are now outperforming western students according to PISA surveys:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment

“Islamic women are also having fewer children. (Iran has a birth rate of 1.83 per woman. Less than the USA.)”

There are more than 50 islamic countries and almost all of them have positive birth rates. Iran is an anomaly in the islamic world. The highest birth rates in the world are among black muslims. It is strange that you mentioned only Iran, that is widely known to have negative birth rate, but you didn’t mention the rest of the islamic world that is having positive birth rate. Here you can see how muslim immigrants are having higher birth rates than native europeans as well.
https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/pew-fertility-rate-for-muslims-and-non-muslims-in-europe/

“Don’t go to Brazil though. The birth rate is lower than in the USA”

And as with the Iranian case, you somehow “forgot” to mention that the vast majority of Latino countries have positive birth rates, Brasil is the exception. On the other hand, the US, Canada, all european countries, etc. have negative birth rates. Latinos and blacks in the US are also having higher birth rate, while “educated” (or shall i say indoctrinated) white women studying “gender studies” or liberal arts are having negative birth rate. Which is leading to dysgenics and the lowering of IQ of the US population.

As far as machos are concerned, it is well known that chicks dig jerks, bad boys, alpha men, etc. As they say, nice guys finish last. The role of the nice guys is that of servants, cuckolds and providers. They exist only to be used, they don’t exist for anything else. Alpha is for f..ks, beta is for bucks. So i suggest that you don’t worry about me, worry about yourself.

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Very good reply. Solid figures and facts to rebutt the feminist nonsense some males have swallowed whole…

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You make a good point here. Japan is quite nationalistic but their population is growing older and we’ve seen the rise of the “Herbivore Men”. I think it is possible to see the rise of nationalism here in the US as more and more people rally around Trump and turn sour on the leftists, neocons, and Cuckservatives who have helped to get us into this mess.

Trump is helping to re-ignite the nationalist fire under the butts of Whites of European descent, but I think we must also learn to reject feminist tenets within the next generation or two or we’re finished. Websites like Roosh V, ROK, and The Rational Male are definitely helping this latter cause. MGTOW, on the other hand, plays right into the hands of the twisted elites.

While Trump and I would probably disagree on a few topics related to his views on Iran (he kind of follows the establishment narrative here, perhaps only pre-election though), I’m beginning to think that if he loses, this country is finished (barring an open rebellion). I just don’t trust Ted Cruz nor do I think Rand Paul is electable. And, if Shillary or Bernie get elected, we’re finished.

It may be “Trump or Bust” in 2016. We’ll see.

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It IS Trump or bust 2016. Trump is America’s (and by proxy the west’s) last hope for survival.

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I agree it’s Trump or bust. He’s the last hope.

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doesn’t seem much nationalism left in anyone of European descent unfortunately I hope he succeeds

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If women show their “empowerment” when they reject the men they don’t want in their lives, and the rejects have to accept it and go away, then why don’t whites show our “empowerment” when we reject the Orcs and their babies we don’t want to have in our communities and countries?

Because if you think about it, the ongoing elite project to propagandize, shame, bully and terrorize whites into compliance with our dispossession resembles using the power of the state to force women into putting out for men they find unattractive at best, and repulsive at worst.

Perhaps we should adopt this framing and call ourselves “empowered whites” from now on.

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The really twisted irony about this whole “women in the workforce” social experiment, is that it hasn’t freed them from the “slavery” feminists have been bitching about since day-1. Now women are slaves to low paying corporate jobs, but thanks to inflation brought on by rampant consumerism, they still have to land a husband since two incomes are needed to fucking survive. Oh sure, useless consumer goods like iPhones are dirt cheap, courtesy of near-slave labor conditions in China and other places… But frivolities like rent and housing prices are astronomically more than they were 40 years ago. Honestly, fuck this world to hell.

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Sure. It’s all women’s fault! Change the record.

Day one must have been about 1920 when my grandmother got her first job as a midwife. The bitch!

Breaking News! Wage slavery started with the Industrial Revolution and women have had “low paying corporate jobs ever since.”

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Climb down off your soapbox. I don’t recall blaming women for anything.

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What you described is the elephant in the room. It’s quite obvious that feminism causes population decline, but everyone is too afraid to say it, even hardcore natalists.

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There’s several elephants in the room

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” One man got into a fighting position and was ready to start throwing punches. ”

This is why I dont get why Roosh is defending East Europe so much, but the males over there probably see him as way inferior to him. They don’t give a fuck about you Roosh. I enjoy reading your blog and books, but don’t understand why you care so much about those same people that would chase you out for being Middle-Eastern appearance.

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Roosh: I know that you love Poland, but you need to read this.https://ia801409.us.archive.org/32/items/PolishAtrocitiesAgainstTheGermanMinorityInPoland/Poland.pdf
It definitely puts WWII into perspective, and your observations should confirm what’s shown in the book.

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I noticed this on boards when I was trying to find someone to practice Polish with. The women believe the “our moms walked around the kitchen barefoot’ myth. They all talked about how much fun they should be allowec to have. I couldn’t stop thinking how miserable they are going to end up.

But strong aggressive men are what is needed to completely shut out feminism. It might change. History says otherwise.

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“Since most Poles don’t want immigrants, I predict nationalist politics will triumph and Poland will continue to exist as a homogeneous country.”

Couldn’t be more wrong. Most nations, in fact all nations who have taken on millions of immigrants don’t want them. Time after time, polls show this. The Government is a Globalist mafia and must do as the Don says. Right now the EU wants millions of new immigrants, and they will get them. If they run out of money for them (like in Germany) they will just shame the populace into taking them in. Poland will fall, like all the others before them.

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Actually in Israel they do have a problem as it is the muslims who have 4-5 children and the ultra orthodox jews(who won’t go into the military and receive massive amounts of public assitance). So like in many places the least responsible people are outbreeding the most responsible.

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“Nationalism without natalism will lead to demographic collapse.” It’s not a collapse, it’s a progressive reduction of the population. Nothing scary about that. We have to address the overpopulation issue sooner or later anyway.

In reality, there have never been as many Whites as today, it’s just our proportion in the global population which is diminishing! So demography is not really an existential threat for us. It’s not about breeding more Whites, it’s rather about making sure the Africans and Middle Easterners STOP breeding (or at least do it contained in their respective shitholes and do not use our technology to pollute the planet).

Think about it: France at is heyday (in the 1600’s) had no more than 20 million inhabitants. Today it has 65 million. Demographics has nothing to do with quality of life, national power, or anything.

People go berserk over the fact that Japan’s population may go down from 120 million today to 80 million in 50 years. Big deal… It’s still more than there were in 1945. As long as they control their borders and don’t allow any shitskins in, they will be fine. Japan has always refused immigration and is compensating the shortage of labor with technology and social innovations. Plus, it is appearing clearly now that robotization is picking up and will lead to major unemployment problems in the coming decades.

To me, natalism is mostly a knee-jerk emotional reaction of people with an existential anxiety. It’s like in the “White nationalist” environment where most dudes are a bit lost and especially have a huge affective need for family and belonging, and then find the demographic/natalist excuse AFTERWARDS… (“saving the future of the lil-white-aryan-children” yada yada).

Our population can go down as much as we want, as long as we don’t let any shitskins in. It’s not a demographic issue at all, it’s a matter of control of our borders. Look at Singapore: do they give a shit about “demography”? If they need more inhabitants they just let qualified, highly educated Asian or Western immigrants in. They maintain rules and order within their borders, which is what matters.

Civilized, educated people the world over have better things to do than to end up with 3 kids. Only the ones with huge affective and belonging needs obsess about that. Personally I just want live with girlfriends who keep their vaginas tight. I have no interest in catering to some children.

The problem of the Western world is:
– the poor quality of todays’ Whites who are just a hedonistic, uncultured bunch – nothing to do with numbers or traditionalism
– the “do-gooder” attitude that make people afraid to said “no” to the outrageous demands of the non-whites.

If we’d just stop to give a shit about non-whites’ “human rights” and create an racially-selective ethnostate, we can solve the problem in 3 months, really.

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Another ignorant. Besides the fact that you think overpopulation is proven fact (it’s a myth spread by those who wish to get rid of excess baggage, aka useless eaters), you don’t understand that demography is not just about number but the age structure of a population and the fact that white women are having children few or no children not because there is no money or no space but simply because they think children are an inconvenience and many of them have been indoctrinated to believe having 2 children==slave to a man. A population where oldsters are more than young adults and children is a dead society not only because of the economic impact but culturally and socially (if you think men-women ratios are infuriating now in many places just wait a decade or two if things continue (not including immigration).

I don’t know why people like you pick Japan as an example. Japan is a dead country without future. By the end of the century, barring a miracle, it’ll be either Chinese or a cluster of radioactive debris floating on the Pacific due to its lack of strength before its enemies (China, Korea if China wouldn’t be in the neighborhood, etc). Singapore is a little island whose livelihood relies on a functioning international order and stable alliances in the region.

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There is a way to promote natalism without welfare.

Hitler’s policies in the 30s included: 25% off a house mortgage per child and 10% deducted from income tax per child -> that is a step worth pursuing. Mothers were really exalted in the Nazi regime as the future of the country and the Aryan race.

Funny how one of the most totalitarian, ‘evil’ regimes had a better fertility and cultural policy then modern countries.

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Has anyone noticed that this only happens in countries where protestants are the majority maybe Protestantism is the problem ? I just got back from 3 catholic countries and I was shock to see my buddies gf washing his clothes making breakfast with a smile in America I only had one gf do that for me but she would always bring it up during arguments…

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Poland is catholic. So is Italy, Spain, Portugal, Croatia – all countries that suffer from catastrophically low tfr. It has nothing to do with protestantism.

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German men need to kick out brown men and take their women back.