Will The Only Form Of Game To Survive The Future Be Day Game?

I recently published an article on Return Of Kings titled Why The Era Of Meeting Girls In Nightclubs Is Coming To An End. It has received over 500 comments from men who agree with its conclusion that clubs in the Western world are providing a low return on investment when it comes to meeting women.

In the golden area of modern pickup (around 2000-2005), a little night game was all you needed to consistently meet cute American girls in bars and clubs. It had its flaws, but just knowing how to approach with a little confidence and dancing skill would be enough to get laid. You didn’t have to use the internet. Day game was nothing more than a niche for guys who didn’t drink. Flaking was a low level annoyance instead of a common outcome, and you didn’t have to aim for a one-night stand because chances were reasonable that a girl would show up on a first date.

My recent experiences in Washington DC, Montreal, Toronto, and New York City clearly showed me how much night game has declined.

Clubs in non-Western countries can still provide gains, but the proliferation of smartphones and bottle service has definitely made it harder at night for a man to meet women of reasonable quality. I’m sure you’re no stranger to this decline and are at least familiar with the basic idea of day game, especially since I wrote Day Bang several years ago. I’d speculate that most men, however, have never done a day game approach in their lives. To help them understand the benefits of day game in a declining Western sexual market, Troy Francis over at ROK is doing a series on day game. His first article is titled Why Day Game Is The Secret Sauce You Need To Consistently Meet And Attract Women.

While it would be inaccurate to call day game a numbers game (with application and experience your results can and will improve) nevertheless, the stark truth is that you will experience more rejections than you do successes. This is just the nature of life. Nothing that is worth doing is easy.

That said, you shouldn’t let the fear of rejection put you off from trying, because rejection itself is not really that bad. Put out of your mind any thought of girls slapping you round the face or calling the police. Such events are outliers and are so uncommon that they’re really not worth worrying about. A more typical rejection will simply be a girl telling you she has a boyfriend.

That’s it.

I’m also encountering a lot of complaints from men that internet game is getting worse. Specific services like Tinder and OK Cupid experienced a heyday where using them provided at least some value, but then uglier women and thirsty men piled in, causing lower yields. This is why for the near future I believe that the two best ways to meet quality women will be through day game and social circle. Day game is hard enough that it will never go mainstream while social circle game gives you VIP access to women that are harder to meet through cold approaching.

Your game strategy will completely depend on what your goals are. If you want to plow through stacks of girls, you’ll most likely want to involve some internet or night game since it puts you in contact with large numbers of them, but if you’re more selective and looking for something of a higher standard that could involve a relationship, day game and social circle will yield better results, and they’ll both hold up in a time span of five years. They’re much harder to do, but because of that, the reward is almost guaranteed to be greater.

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Requisite elements of game in the near future (the date should be 2020-2025, not 2073):

http://www.rooshv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2073-2.jpg

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Steroids? Did you mean Kratom? (:

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LOL

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If I knew that image would be shared a lot I would have made something better.

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when did you create it? i vaguely remember this from before

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Hey Roosh. I’ve been banned from ROK for a while now. What’s going on? At least tell me it’s not a mistake and I’ll move on. Thanks.

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Lol. I think the message is clear enough.

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By 2073, you’ll need game just to attract a sex-bot. Cyborg:”My 0s and 1s aren’t worth your substandard fleshiness!”

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It is indeed a pickle … If females declare you unworthy, that is an evolutionary ticket on your way to extinction, and they are right to do so. After all, as you understand, most males are invisible to women.
… But you ‘re not supposed or expected to just accept that … You can juxtapose your own evolutionary statement e.g. “I will control women and force them to have kids with me” or “I will increase my value and become desired”

Evolution is a bitch.

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Evolution is just a theory.

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Well, yes, Evolution is just a theory, but the definition is a little different than you might think.
“A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.”
For instance, it’s a theory that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

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Evolution fails that definition.

So does heliocentricism.

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How?

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If your mind is open and you’re ready to consider unorthodox ideas without passion, then I give you the following proofs:

Why evolution fails:
https://youtu.be/7Wr-lXLGCxQ

Why heliocentricism fails:
https://youtu.be/h5i_iDyUTCg

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Evolution & nature are the biggest bitches ever existed since women will only go with man who have: Game, Money, Status & Power.

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It’s not calculus;

manhood101.com

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what calculus your talking about?

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@Concerned Citizen, what we are seeing, in the contemporary form of “female finickiness”, is NOT evolution at work, not by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, its a part of the overall “media brainwashing effect” that makes contemporary women choose “career over their true biological needs”.

Modern Humans have been on earth for approximately 200,000 years, civilization has existed for 6,000 years and the “society” that we live in today, which has rules that we are FORCED to follow, is a little over 200 years old. What this means, is that MANY of the people whom we THINK are Alphas today, may in fact, NOT be Alphas at all. Simply put, the last 200+ years has given LEGAL advantages to crafty, backstabbing, two-faced, Betas, whom gain undeserved Alpha status, due to LEGAL protection from PHYSICAL retaliation, whereas in the previous 199,800 years of “mans existence”, these guys would have been the quickly dispatched through physical retaliation of frightened into submission becoming a “follower” as a result.

If you have any doubts, just think of people like Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg.

Could either of these schmucks have lead men and convinced them to give their lives for a mere “personal conviction”? Like say, ALEXANDER THE GREAT or HANNIBAL? Of course not, BUT, people these kinds of guys are given a type of “Alpha Status” today because they are allowed act TOUGH, without any real threat of losing their heads or getting Tarred & Feathered by disgruntled peasants/employees.

I’ll clarify further, “Appointed Pseudo Alphas”, are winning in the West because the “unspoken rules” and “legal system” have been designed to prevent “aggressive retaliation” by disgruntled underlings. Think back to the early Teamsters tactics that were used against stubborn business owners and how you don’t see similar tactics being applied any longer. Once you recognize the overt influence of “undue physical & legal protection” by government, it becomes easy to understand why “Appointed Pseudo Alphas” rule today.

Note, its not because of superior leadership, nor because of any amount of endowed masculinity. It is because these “Appointed Pseudo Alphas” are receiving undue legal protection, that keeps the hordes of frustrated Betas from ripping these so-called “leaders”, limb from limb. The current batch of successful business leaders, that we see today, would have been beaten within an inch of their lives during the times of the Teamsters or outright Tarred & Feathered, right in front of their factories, in earlier times.

In Tribal and Chieftain level societies, the males that accumulated the most wealth and children were neither the “most fierce” nor the “most “timid”. “Successful leaders” in those times tended to fall somewhere in the middle, the main reason being that the “most fierce” warriors typically died in the hunt or battle because they could not temper when to be “bold” versus “when to hold back”. Also, on the flip side, it should be obvious why the “most timid” didn’t accumulate any wealth or children in a world based on hand-to-hand battles and physical hunting.

In today’s world we have set up a legal system that solely rewards the “most fierce” warriors (whom are not always true Alphas according to nature) and it is contributing to our eventual downfall. In the past, when mortality rates were high, due to living in a dangerous environment, these were the LAST people that a tribe wanted running ANYTHING. Today, these types of people get to go to the front of the line for leadership roles. Remember, just because they are “bold” and “fierce”, in a safe, OFFICE setting, doesn’t make them a real ALPHA, in the world of nature.

If you need a modern example, look no further than the post-war years, after WWII. Who do you think returned back to the USA, alive, after the war? Was it the foolhardy? Was it the yellow bellies? OR the ones whom could properly weigh the situation and take PROPER action? The answer should be obvious because not coincidentally, that was a period of stable employment and high wages for EVERYONE. With that said, it should safe to assume that it was the most “balanced people” returning alive from the war that became “captains of industry” in the post-war years. The “foolhardy” and “yellow bellies” likely died on the battlefield or returned home too physically and/or mentally damaged to function in civilian leadership roles.

Culturally we have had a big shift in the USA, where those given “appointed authority” seems to be trumping those that have “natural authority” more often than not. Make no mistake, the “winners” that we are seeing and hearing about day-to-day, are “Appointed Pseudo Alphas” at best. Since the early 2000’s I see MORE and MORE spineless Beta types easily surpassing people with stronger personalities and leadership ability, both in personal life and professional life. However, at one time, in the not so distant past, people displaying “natural authority and leadership” would have EASILY been the first choice of BOTH women and corporations and put in charge of most things, due to simply having REAL leadership qualities.

What exactly do I mean and how did we get here?

Well, it starts in K-12 education, where certain kids are publicly punished for being natural leaders and Beta Types are rewarded with appointed leadership positions for being good “yes men” and “yes women”. Other kids see this pattern and then begin to develop an indoctrinated aversion to kids that have natural leadership, for fear of getting in trouble, by simply being around or associated with them. This mindset then gets extended into the workplace where “appointed authority” is the rule, with no exceptions being made for “natural authority” to usurp the direction of poorly run projects, useless meetings or bad policies. Then, once people get past a certain age, their “profiles” and “resume” begin to carry much more weight than their actual “endowed masculinity”. Sure, women don’t pine over Manginas when they meet them in the flesh, but they will pine over a “hidden mangina” with a perfectly crafted okcupid or Tinder profile.

Do real Alpha types still clean up in real life? Of course they do, but a LOT of “hidden betas” are getting FAR more than their share, of both “first looks” and “last looks”, than they would have received in the previous 50 years (heck, even the last 6,000 years of civilizations existence for than matter). These days, this situation applies to both the career track and the surface preferences of females.

Note, its not specifically that women standards have risen (we all know they have not), its that women keep on adding to the list of “non essential” traits that their potential partners and hook-ups must have, at minimum. So while going over that “non essential” list of traits, women unknowing eliminate what they ACTUALLY want and end up with something that they are ultimately dissatisfied with, an “Appointed Pseudo Alpha”. This exact same scenario goes for employers as well.

I always use the old comedy film “Revenge of the Nerds”, from 1984, as an example of where we are as a society today.

When the JOCKS were in charge of the metaphorical “Greek Council”, parties raged, un-PC behavior was tolerated and everyone was having a really good time, with few harsh consequences for bad behavior (hence the term, “boys will be boys”). As we all know today, in hindsight, when the JOCKS were in charge, people earned good wages, nobody was micromanaged (“use your best judgement” was a common phrase), people didn’t get fired on a whim and life in general was good.

Then one day the NERDS gained control of the metaphorical “Greek Council” and parties started sucking, people had to kowtow to PC behavior (so as not to offend anyone), EVERYONE became micromanaged (i.e. Lean) and people started having less fun in EVERY aspect of life, while consequences for uncouth behaviors were jacked up to the highest degree (zero tolerance anyone!).

So I ask, was “life” better for EVERYONE, under the rule of the JOCKS or better today under the rule of the NERDS, whom are nothing more than “Pseudo Alphas” with “Appointed Authority”?

Long live the “Betas of Nature” wielding “Appointed Authority”, I guess, to our own civilizations demise, I might add.

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At that point, it would probably make sense to live in a shithole third world country in a beaver shack but at least with a wife and kids to support than live in mansion in first world country with all the porn and functioning hand but no real woman to be with.

Machine, porn, sexbots…. (as much as women are insane), nothing can replace the real women.

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If i was you i would just stop focusing on women & make myself better in other things. Start a new hobby or having your own business would be a good start.

Women aren’t important at all & if all you want is sex just find some prostitute, pay & have fun.

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Men’s greatest weakness is women. I would concentrate on

Money, Power and women will follow.

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As a woman I would like to tell you that not all women will follow you if you have money. Of course is good if man can provide a family and woman but what about feelings? Personally for me is important how man treats me, his care in general, attention, devotion, love… Today man has money but tomorrow maybe will not have. if man behaves himself as a bad ass who cares about his money? Maybe only women who don’t care about man but only about money. Hope you understand what I mean.

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People talk about “we don’t care about money” … WAIT until the money problem falls into their lap and then reality will hit hard and then they will realize MONEY DOES MATTER.

If you had a choice to pick between two men. One man (let’s call him Man A) made you feel ‘good’, treated you nicely and was loyal to you but he was BROKE and had NO money.

And then you have another man (let’s call him Man B). He also provided you with loyalty, feel ‘good’ and acted nicely and devoted to you but he had some decent amount of income and assets.

I think it’s easy who you will pick. With all being equal and one side had more money, you would lean towards the man who has the most money. You don’t need to try to rationalize your answers. Everyone cares about money. MEN AND WOMEN. Women emphasize money the most because that’s the resource men can provide. What people say can sometimes differ later on once they find out that reality isn’t as easier said.

Thanks for sharing your inputs though.

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I didn’t say that money doesn’t matter. I said that not only money is important. I’m talking about Golden mean.
For me is mportant to have healthy relationship, respect, love etc.
One man has less money another one has more money.
For example if the man is greedy doesn’t matter how much money he has ))))
A strong man always will have money. The matter is how he treats a woman.
I will choose a man whom I love and who loves me, to who I am attracted and with whom I feel good.
What about sex? To have sex with a man only because he has more money? As to me it’s disgusting.

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“To have sex with a man only because he has more money? As to me it’s disgusting.”

^^ You be quite surprised what people will do at desperate times.

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I do not care what ppl do. I care what i do and with whom i do smile

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I think the name day game is kinda funny. It basically encompasses absolutely every place you would ever go in your entire life….except drunken gatherings. The phrase day game suggests that it’s this one place where you can meet women. No. Day game is everywhere. It’s the normal place to meet women. There are far more types of daygame venues than nightlife venues. Daygame involves a myriad of places. And if you really wanna game during the night, set it up at your place with your friends or at their place. So yes day game dating (normal everyday places) will survive. It’s just that clubs are horny guy central.

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Yeah. I’m not entirely seeing how this is a bad thing. Isn’t social circles and “day approaches” basically how relationships between the opposite sex started in decades past?

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Yep

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Exactly..you have hit the nail on its head.

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The whole “night game” and “day game” concept is balogney. Just one of many idiotic things the PUA cults came up with.

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Roosh, I thought you don’t even go to nightclubs anymore because of your age (no offense intended, I’ve long since been too old for clubbing myself). Without a doubt young women will react differently to you at your current age today (35, 36?) then if you were 25.

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Younger guys report the same problems – clubs suck and have sucked for a long time now. But yeah, nobody wants to be that old guy in the club.

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Just look at the trash you find in clubs nowadays, most of the talent is riddled. Is it worth the risk?

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Good question and one every man needs to answer for himself.

I posted about this in the article on ROK. Ive been working in bars/nightclubs for a long time and I have noticed a big decline just in the last 3-4 yrs.

Even where I live there is a good ratio of attractive women. The problem is that unless youre top tier social status/fame/looks you probably arent gonna get shit unless you are willing to be a super aggressive asshole.

If you do then be prepared to deal with lots of mother hens and white knights cockblocking or worse. The level of male thirst is unbelievable it seems.

Ive also seen pro athletes who are jacked and have money with some very so so girls. I just dont fucking get it. I have no desire any longer to meet a girl to fuck her used up pussy or start any kind of draining relationship whom I meet in the nightlife.

Another thing ive seen is top tier dudes upset over losing out for the night on the opportunity to fuck a girl who is a complete and total whore. One in particular I am thinking of I fingered on a balcony one summer and would have done more if my gf of the time wasnt there and came outside thinking I made out with her
Is it any surprise this girl is a known megaslut?.

I guess those stories are funny and all now but I look back and see them as quite empty and Im not proud of treating my last gf horribly.

I never got into day game as much since I was always working nights. Perhaps I need to give it a try. I always ask myself whenever I interact with any female.

What does she have to offer me?

When I think about it seriously I come the conclusion that a pretty face and beat up pussy just aren’t enough for me anymore.

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Day game is the way to go.
I don’t want a relationship with anyone from this part of the world ever again. A cheap whore is all i need i just don’t want to have to pay for it.

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Why go to clubs when you can go to “meatmarkets” ?
Is it not obvious that the former sucks and the latter will always by definition blow ?

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“but if you’re more selective and looking for something of a higher standard that could involve a relationship, day game and social circle will yield better results”

Agree 100%. It also correlates with my experience in Poland, some of the most beautiful girls I know have boyfriends they meet through either social circle or some day activity.

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Reason is girls have more options with a click of a button from okcupid to simple swipe to left or right in tinder. Girls can make money, have government take care of them, have any beta male take care of them, have society automatically white-knight for their bad behaviors, don’t have to worry about being starved to death on the street and have iPhone as distraction and entertainment.

Therefore, for any average man to even gain initial attention of a woman, he must clown himself and be MORE interesting than her iPhone and give her constant Fun in her short attention span. Never forget that you can easily be replace-able by any males. Simply supply and demand.

If you want to increase your chance with a girl, make sure isolate her and she is not around with her friends, or has her eyes glued to her iPhone. If you make a girl be assured that your sexual encounter with her will never be found out by society, sex with become so much easier.

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some level of fame is the only answer.
whether as a small business owner with a newspaper article about you, a youtube blogger, etc…

Having your own business kills about 20 birds with 1 stone in terms of improving your life, provided you’re slick enough to keep it financially solvent.

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so getting bang is a waste and just learn day game?
how hard is night game now then before?
guess when youre getting started best to do all 4 of them and see what you get. like approach in the day an daily life and network throurgh ur circle then internet n club at night.

u sure this aint age affectin u

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Bang helps you close. Day Bang is mostly up to getting the first date.

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there are places worse then the west. like met a dude from india whom confirmed everythin here in the manosphere.
same 200 guys(rich upper westernized class) only go. and mostly 80% guys the rsst are girlfriends wives or usually not that great looking women.
so he really like the sex ratio an the girls apperance here in the west

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The whole world is basically turning into one large r-selected pig sty. There are too many males competing for lower and lower quality women.

This is great for corporations and governments but horrible for nuclear families, traditional gender roles and cohesive self reliant societies.

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As mentioned in this article, internet dating is indeed on the decline. I’m a pretty introverted guy, and while I do some day game and night game, internet dating is where I meet the majority of my lays – or used to. If it matters, I’m in Ireland, and just two to three years ago when I came out of an LTR internet dating was like shooting fish in a barrel. I was pulling on average 6s, the occasional 8. Girls in their 20s and 30s predominantly, with the odd cougar thrown in for good measure. It was a smorgasbord of poon. Girls emailed first, and it was almost like having a passive stream of pussy. Girls replied to your message enthusiastically, and it was all a breeze getting them out.

Now it’s an uphill struggle getting them to invest at all. You have the jaded lifers, the validation-seekers who are going on no dates, the tatted-up whores, and the fatties. Plus the thirsty men are compounding the problem. It’s now, in my estimation, a worthless endeavour.

It’s really amazing to me how utterly degraded it’s become in a few short years. Maybe it’s just in my area, but I doubt it. I’m not sure what has happened, or if internet dating is cyclical.

Daygame is indeed the way forward, and has always been the best way to score quality poon.

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I’m Irish and female. Some quality poon man! What an idiot. Also, don’t you think having all this shit on the internet where women have been reading it for years to stay away from guys like you, negates your game. Dudes!

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Stop flirting with me.

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You are fat ugly and/or lesbian.
Pretty feminine women don’t read, they make beds and cook.
GTFO

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I’ve heard Ireland has a low quality of females, but Ireland definitely caught on late for internet dating.

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Ireland is just like the rest of the UK. Sure there are lots of beautiful women here, but LOTS and LOTS of fatties. It’s nowhere like EE with the statuesque hotties. Over here there more like short and cute.

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Its as bad or getting worse every day if you live in the west. Maybe even areas outside the west.

Ive seen the decline at ground level in my southern US city.

Society needs a reset.

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The data you provide is lacking something …
How many lays and over how long a period of time were you able to get through internet dating ? What is your looks level ?
Try to be acurate on both answers.

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Those degenerate places are closing down all over England.

I forgot that by not going there I was sabotaging their business. Nice, those places and the sluts that frequent them deserve to go to Hell. Fuck em all.

Time for a more Patriarchal approach.

Game is predicated on matriarchy and uppity bitches. Time for that to end.

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Matt, you appear to have a lot of anger towards this society.
What has been your story so far with women ?

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Sex is not a recreational activity. Western women abuse the function of sex and thus they are sluts. In so doing they imperil our civilization with their low fertility rates, provoking Islam to conquer us and bring upon our posterity servitude and another dark age.

This is treason of the most despicable sort. What is there not to be angry about?

Time to quit fucking around. Ditch the whores, put your bros first, establish the Patriarchy and put these sluts back in the kitchen.

It’s that simple, or else we perish.

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Matt Edge knows his shit.

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“Game is predicated on matriarchy and uppity bitches. Time for that to end.”

YES!

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As resources in a society stabilize and women marry the government as a provider the only thing women start looking for is stimulation.

The problem is, nightclubs are hyper-stimulated environment, which means the only way to get a women there is to bang her on the dance floor or pulling her into a bathroom stall, and good luck with the bouncer letting you do that. Back in the day PUAs called this “high buying temperature”.

Getting a number in a nightclub was never really the best way, bars were always better for approaching. Insiders in the club life seemed to be the few that genuinely benefited from clubs.

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/get-laid/an-introduction-and-misconception-about-party-club-game

I guess there was a window of time when getting a number in a club meant something, but it seems clear those days are over.

We are entering the era of mainstream metrosexuality. Game will become more looks and status based. It seems the only game there is these days is called “don’t fuck it up” game, where a girl must like you from start and then you must not fuck it up by being awkward.

GoodLookingLoser type game will probably be yeilding most results, were you get jacked than escalate quickly on girls for early screening.

https://youtu.be/JqoAtzTIgGA?t=721

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That was basically my type of game for years. Now to be honest Im quite disgusted by it. These kinds of women are worth absolutely zero effort.

Plus the threat of std’s is a very very real concern.

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**only way to get a women there is to bang her on the dance floor or
pulling her into a bathroom stall,**

Back in the 80s (no cell phones btw) that’s what it was like. Not ” oh let me get your phone number & we an go out some time”. Nope, it was down to the basement, the bathroom, out to the car, etc, the deal got closed right then & there. Then a month later you’d see that same chick as you were pulling another someplace to do the exact same thing. Men had all the power back then, the girls had to compete for us by dressing sluttier to get more attention & putting out to get us to like them…it was an amazing time, I wish the younger generation could experience that

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And how did it work out for you and your buddies and your children when you married the sluts you created ?

(well, you did say that it was YOUR STATUS as men, that turned women into sluts. Looks like you had your fan and left your children with whores for mothers, which in turn gave birth to a whole generation of worthless SOULLESS bitches aka your daughters … Your generation was a fuck up. We are experiencing what came AFTER your “golden” years. Got it ? Your generation fucked our lives up. FFS lets hope Trump at least wins this, otherwise America is gonna turn Latino through illegal immigration – as if we didn’t have enough problems already created by your fucked up generation, you baby boomer … )

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Worked out great…never marrried, no kids, no debt, own a business in an area with year round warm climate that allows access to attractive women between 20-30. Work hard, make smart decisions, adapt to the surroundings & enjoy

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YUP, Chris’ screening method is the most simple yet effective method of getting lays out there IMO….and it’s free. Just look good and be more aggressive/have more social freedom than 97% of men.

“How to get laid in a Bar In About 15 minutes” is what inspired me to start learning game. Being super aggressive works for the simple fact that theres so few guys there that have the balls to do it. Combine this with looking good and ur in the top 3% of guys on the planet…easily.

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Ultimately Chris boils it down to basics(looks + approach) and just puts the escalation on the next level. It is just a more advanced form of the same game PUA use, just with quicker escalation and accent on looking edgy.

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“the only thing women start looking for is stimulation”

Really. Can you prove this? Or is this just your experience because

a) girls find you boring and
b) you mostly talk to the wrong type of women

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“Or is this just your experience because

a) girls find you boring and
b) you mostly talk to the wrong type of women”

You just have a small penis, Not All Women are like that !

“Really. Can you prove this?”
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Idiot.

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The things I find most confusing about the whole manosphere controversy thing: WHERE ARE THE WOMEN? Where are the women who are willing to join us and say, “This is all wrong. We want to be mothers and wives”? And even if they disagree with you.. you’d think they’d say something semi-rational, like let’s try and resolve this situation.

Instead they simply just deny EVERYTHING, and then accuse us of hate.. They have nothing else to say. Strange..

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Totally agree. The women are no longer in quantity at the Night Scene, and those that are , mostly have Men accompanying them, but there is no shortage of women in the world, so where are they if they are not at the Clubs and Bars? I’ve been hunting at the Mall for some time now, and the Mall is loaded with women, they may not be at the Bars, but every woman will go to a Place she can buy material Things, Places like the Mall. There is always a Large quantity of women at the Mall. I think women are becoming Reclusive though, in places associated with Meeting the opposite sex, and I think it may have a lot to do with women Becoming increasingly Fatter. I tried taking a Mental note of all the Fat women I’ve seen at the Mall, and I had to stop because it was overwhelming , i’d say maybe 65%+ were out of Shape and Fat…maybe more… I think despite Female Body image-empower propaganda, many of the fat women know deep down inside they are undesirable, so they are avoiding the Night Life, and since obesity is an epidemic in western women , it could explain why the Night life yields so few women now.

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I avoid the mall because I hate malls, but I just realized, I hate bars and nightclubs too. To the mall it is !

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I hate malls. Those horrible places filled with kfc-loving, heavily tattooed losers aimlessly wandering the food courts during daytime working hours.

If you want to troll a mall real bad, just get everything you need on Amazon.

Malls, clubs, bars… All these degenerate places are starting to close down. Soon to be replaced by mosques–where you will one day find all your missing women.

If only White men had the balls and integrity to form groups against this then your women would respect you a little more. And you won’t need to learn the sleazy craft of a car salesman in order to convince a whore to sleep with you.

Where’s your dignity?

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I agree that, the effort modern western Man has to make in order to get with Degenerate whores is too great, and many western Males lost their Balls, and allow women to act Degenerate and Trashy. I don’t agree with you that Mosques are going to be replacing Anything in the west.

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I don’t like mosques either, but unless western men grow some balls and establish some sort of alternative ideology or religion then Islam will fill the void.

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How about talking to women like human beings.

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exactly
‘Hunting at the mall’ as though women are animals
‘obesity is an epidemic in western women’ -exclusively in women? Yeah sure.

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It works. PERIOD.
The only thing is you need to be a sexy man for that to work.
But then again, is it not normal for any person to ONLY chose someone sexy ? Is that not what men want as well ?

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How about women acting like human beings?

Only possible within the confines of a Patriarchy.

I doubt you have the sack for that, because Patriarchy requires solidarity and self sacrifice far beyond individual self interest. In other words, it’s something out of reach to you average cos-playing “alpha” male Hollywood-educated individualistic faggot.

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This is the truth. You don’t have to be a “clown” to get laid.

Ridiculous. The men are just as bad as the women.

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How about speaking to women like human beings?

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As if, real men don’t? Grow up, and stop generalizing.

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Ideally, go out with a group of people which consists of a guy friends who has girls he knows meet you at the bar. SInce there are girls in your group it will be easier to approach other girls at the bar and the girls in your group will see you talking to other girls. Win Win.

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If you want to win the game then just score more points than the other team. It’s that easy.

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It is true that online game has seen a decline since the masses have opted in. But with online game, you still have the sheer numbers on your side. The odds are in your favor enough so that it remains worthwhile.

The drawback of course is that the vast majority of women in my entire generation are now undateable as they’ve now been enabled to passively pig out on a buffet of men from the comfort of swiping in their pajamas.

But hey I still have fun with them. Just don’t fall in love with them.

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I just watched roosh being unfairly attacked by being called useful idiot by sandman on his mgtow channel. I would much rather be considered a PUA then a celebate, bitter mgtow!

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The golden era of night game wasn’t 2000 – 2005. It was anytime before the smart phone era. It cracks me up that people think game started with neil strauss and his book.

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It won’t only be day game. It’s going to be online game, a strategy towards dating on traditional social media sites (facebook, twitter, instagram), dating apps (Tinder, Bumble, etc,) and dating sites (Match).

Women who have 10,000 people in their social media orbit are not going to fuck a guy at a club unless he’s massively preselected. They have huge social circles and 10,000 horny penises screaming to enter her.

Expect the next generation of men to learn to to become marginally famous on social media sites. Taking pictures, filming videos, getting followers, professionally done. Steroids will become even more mainstream and plastic surgery will be huge.

Hypergamy will become even more prevalent. It is crucial that you get to the top 5-10% of males to reap the benefits of the current promiscuous culture.

I will tell you from personal experience that the quality of females on the majority of online dating and dating apps is very low. It is baffling how many unattractive females there are. In New York City, i’d estimate on Tinder that 1/50 girls are good looking and on a dating site it would be closer to 1/100. I’d estimate the gender ratio to more men than women as well . The majority of bars are absolute sausage fests, you are very lucky if you get 50/50, and plenty of women go to bars already locked down by a group of guys. Once you pull numbers from daygame or online, a frustrating amount of women will flake without remorse and cocktease.

Unless there is a drastic change with an immigration policy to bring over young women, men will become increasingly marginalized. If 80% of men don’t have sex or families, there are bound to be problems with crime, narcissism, vice, and mass terror. These societies have failed before, in the black community, and with Muslims. The white community is seeing the effects with mass terror and opiate addiction. Women will become increasingly uncomfortable with the aggressive environment, which will lead to an increase in rape claims and street harassment laws.

As men, every age group is competing for the same 18-25 year old women, from the physical studs who are their age, to the 60 year old multi-millionaire with tight game and status. That automatically creates a huge imbalance in the dating ratio.

I have increasing pressure on me to make a large sum of money in my 20’s and 30’s so that I can build a new life abroad if the female situation doesn’t get better.

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It is sad how correct you are.

US and the west in general is a sinking ship for gender relations. One must be heroic to choose and struggle there.

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If night game is declining now because 2/1 male to female ratio at clubs, then online game is more lopsided 10/1. That leaves day game by default. Back in an earlier era, day game was a minor side show to night game. It is increasingly going to be the main event for many men and requires alternative strategies. Like one ROK commenter said he hung out at coffee shop near yoga studio and that yielded results for him. The advantage of day game is the ratio is more 1/1, and females don’t have the bitch shield in place because they aren’t anticipating getting approached.

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” If 80% of men don’t have sex or families, there are bound to be problems with crime, narcissism, vice, and mass terror. These societies have failed before, in the black community, and with Muslims. The white community is seeing the effects with mass terror and opiate addiction.”

Combine this with increasing levels of Islamic conversions among frustrated incels and yeah, we’re going to see a powder keg erupt.

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You’re correct except for this passage:

“Women who have 10,000 people in their social media orbit are not going to fuck a guy at a club unless he’s massively preselected. They have huge social circles and 10,000 horny penises screaming to enter her.”

That’s simply not true. Every weekend, someone is pulling a bitch home from a nightclub, despite them not being on social media. Yes she has thousands of orbiters but that doesn’t mean shit when there’s an alpha meat market all around her in the real world, right now. Real life game trumps social media game, every time.

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Nah, you are talking about 6’s and 7’s. The real deal girls, the 9’s and 10’s, who are semi famous on social media, no way they are getting fucked randomly in a club by some guy with good “game.” Besides her social media, she’s being surrounded with the club owner, club promoter, DJ, celebrities in VIP, plus the guys shes probably rolling with. Real life game sucks compared to social media game, if you do it right. Look up Mario Rodriguez on instgram or Vitaly on youtube. You really think they’d be better with cold approaches than filtering through the thousands of messages they get?

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Social Media game is like supercharged hypergamy. For the top 1 percent of guys who have fame and looks, social media is no doubt a goldmine. For the rest of us though, live game is a more worthwhile endeavor. So yeah, guys like PewDiePie have it made, no argument here.

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Exactly. But what I’m saying is that these ultra hot girls are surrounded by these one percenters on 5 different apps, plus one percenters who are preselected in the venue based on status.

Not to mention, if I go to a bar for the night, I’ll be lucky if I see one or two people hooking up, and they could have know each other beforehand. Night game is far from what it used to be and is a huge waste of time.

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With feminists now putting forth the absurd notion that any sex made while intoxicated is a rape (always perpetrated by the man against the woman, of course), their ridiculous argument would invalidate the purpose of bars and nightclubs everywhere. If they are able to perpetuate this insane redefinition of a crime, then there will have to be a sharp decline in bars and nightclubs. Other than overspending with buddies to “catch a game” the only real purpose of bars and nightclubs is to meet women.

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Logical conclusions, all based on the laws of supply and demand and market behaviors.

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Will the only one of Roosh’s sale-delivering books to survive be “Day Game” ?
It is already clear that the only kind of Game is meta-Game…

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… and Day-Game mentality IS the DEFINITION of Meta-Game.
Super Tuesday is coming up … long live the Trump !

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On another note … I may have made some inapropriate comments.
Sorry about that … I am just pushing for a deeper understanding of things

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Game in the future will be your Muslim father telling you what woman to marry, or it will be your White father telling you what woman to marry.

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Routine day game works for the average pedestrian, commuter or jogger, but what about the one in a million hottie that you rarely see in public? When you see an exceptionally high SMV hottie, get excited. Carry a container of ginko caps, pop ’em quick, chew ’em up for max quick absorption, and a sealed emergency shot bottle tequila, not for courage which you probably have, but for NERVE. It’s quick game, boy. The NERVE to spit something fresh. Maybe she’s a celebrity or a rare hiding beauty in the community who appears for only a flash. The window of time is always small for the real gold. They don’t sit on park benches for hours or show themselves at clubs much. The few super hotties I’ve clammored for quick game to intercept, I’ve often run dry with the interaction, reflecting on what I could have done or what I should have said. I know a good smack of booze and ginko would have had me pulling some novel, over the top shit to keep the interaction going. Somersaults, faking a medical condition, anything. When the quality is over the top, the game has to be quick and over the top as well.

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lolz i stopped going to stupid clubs i roll with day game these days just had some today before my roomate came . . .life is good . . . .however after sex she blew up my fone and stumbled on to shit she shouldnt have

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Roosh nailed this. I’ve noticed what he described, particularly in the last 3-5 years, all over the NYC area.

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It’s astonishing what I’ve noticed happen in the past few years the hostility if women. I used to have women flirt with me everywhere I went. Not now. Especially the younger generation. I don’t know if it’s subliminal messaging in kids cartoons. Or iPhone’s microwaving their brains. But something astonishing has happened. What in the world is going on. Everything has to be perfect for girls these days or they want nothing to do with you. It’s the entitled generation. Let them be single then. And without a loving man. Sucked in losers

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Well look…Apps like Tinder and Ok cupid have made things VERY easy.You dont even need to leave the house at this point.I spent a year on Tinder and did well.Just for fooling around…As for meeting “quality women” i just use Law of Attraction.We give women way to much credit.They are chesspieces on the boards just like us…just need the right push.Master vibrational matching and/or law of attraction and girls will walk up to you.I use it daily and in my sales job.No need to have to chase pussy…using pickup artist tactics etc etc…That shit is level one karate…stop chasing pussy.Make them come to you.

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Nightclubs suck these days. It is $20 to get in the door then you pay inflated costs per drink. A well vodka drinks will run you almost $15 in any major NE city. The last time I went to one (about this time last year) the only women in the club were what I suspected to be hookers hired by the owner. They were bombed out of their mind on something. You couldn’t even approach them because they were in the “VIP area” which was really just a few tables policed by a bouncer (or perhaps their pimp). Some beta lap dogs would send them drinks but all they would get in return is “thanks honey…”

I think in the days of Tinder and social media the whole purpose of night life has been flipped on its head. It is funny to watch an old 70’s or 80’s movie where the characters actually go to a bona fide singles bar. These days the only singles I see in a bar are randoms and weirdos.

I don’t know what the life on a single chick in their 20’s is these days but I suspect it is 1) browse social media to get attention 2) toy with betas for fun on phone during brunch 3) text Alpha in hopes of getting laid 4) by 5 or 6 toy with beta again to get free dinner 4) text backup Alpha in hopes of getting laid 5) have beta buy dinner and then brush him off 6) get laid by Alpha that leaves right afterwards because “he has early meeting”.