Women Age Worse Than Men

I visited a club I hadn’t stepped foot in for three long years. I ordered a drink and settled into my favorite spot where I had full view of the bar and dance floor. And then I saw them—the sisters. They were in their favorite spot as well, the same one they’d camp at every weekend night, always dancing with new men. I remembered them clearly because they went to this club just as much as I did.

From a distance I could see their hair was still long, nearly waist-length, and that their clothes were still fashionable, but I couldn’t believe what I saw when I got closer—their faces and figures had degraded much more than the three years of time that had passed should’ve suggested. Crackles were developing around their eyes and mouths and their once-curvy body was turning clumpy and misshapen like a bowl of yogurt. Back then, they were the hottest girls in the club with no shortage of men approaching them, but now they were dancing next to each other with forced smiles on their faces, far uglier than in the past. They were no longer the center of attention.

All I could think of was “what a waste.” What a waste that these girls didn’t use their peak beauty to find the most valuable man that could to be their life partner. What a waste they didn’t leverage their youth to secure something that could lead to a more meaningful life. What a waste that they are still wasting their time to sate their bottomless need for attention. Whatever man they can get today will be a lesser one than what they could have received three years before, because younger girls in the club were now getting much more male attention than they were.

I stopped and thought about my own behavior. By looking at them, aren’t I staring into a mirror? If women valued men on youth and looks, like men value them, then yes. If women shied away from men with gray hair and furrows in his brow, then yes. But this doesn’t happen, because even younger women prefer men older than themselves. As long as a man has a good combination of status, money, looks, and game, he would experience absolutely no degradation in success with women over a 3-year time span, as I surely haven’t, and in all likelihood he would see an increase.

But for the sisters, every day the tick tock sound of the clock gets louder. Every day past their peak beauty and fertility, the main qualities men desire, the worser man they’ll end up with. Three years is nothing for a man, but it is an eternity for a young woman—an eternity that the culture is training them to waste by having fun hopping from one cock to the other with no benefit to their future happiness or stability.

I also ran into another girl I had gone on a date with. In three years the skin around her bright blue eyes were turning into a leathery shoe. I ran into a shop girl I hit on once. Her faced stayed fit but her body was halfway into becoming a stout pear. Before and after pictures of the same girl spaced three years apart can be a depressing sight indeed. How can nature be so cruel to one of its creations? How can it destroy something so beautiful? And then I look at pictures of myself and can hardly tell the difference. I have more gray hair for sure, but women continue to guess my 35-year-old age as being in the late 20’s. The twisted mother of nature gave women the incredible beauty of a flower, but only for a limited amount of time, while letting men exist as if they were bonsai trees.

There is a somber truth to the expression that women age like milk and men like wine, and I haven’t even spoken of the fact that these aged women have higher standards, higher expectations, and the burden of disappointment from being pumped and dumped so many times, factors that surely make them less pleasing. Once they are past the peak of their beauty, and once they have taken their spins on the carousel, they are not fit to serve as anything more than a fuck buddy, a mere container for male sexual pleasure.

If there is anything I’ve learned from this three-year observation, besides the cruelty of nature, it’s that a woman’s physical degradation accelerates rapidly starting at 25. While a girl will hardly age from 20-25, you are liable to see a precipitous fall every year after 25, until around 35 when she completes the transformation of looking like her mother.

While aging is no fault of women, I have zero sympathy for single women over 25. They wasted their best years to ride the cock carousel for attention, validation, or entertainment, and now expect you to be their handsome knight to give them a dream life and family. Fuck that and fuck them. They will get no more effort from me than the last man they had a one-night stand with. When it’s time for me to decide which girl to devote the bulk of my energy to, only a young girl in the peak of her beauty will suffice.

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Brutally honest. My homegirls keep tripping about why they can’t find a good man in their 30s. They wasted the “capital” of their youth and actually don’t want a nice guy, even when that would be the best option for them.

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Condolences for the cuntocracy (not)

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Hard to blame them, they were raised by women with the same mentality and perhaps even 2-3 generations of “carouselers” before them. Doesn’t mean I have sympathy, but its easy to understand when they don’t have mothers or grandmothers who pester them about getting married from early on like some cultures still do.

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But still, they can’t see the obvious. Which means they shouldn’t have the right to vote.

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It’s got nothing to do with how they’re raised, but simply what their vaginas respond to. We would do the same if we were women. Read a book called Attraction is not a Choice by David DeAngelo. You can’t blame a scorpion for stinging a frog.

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Getting them to marry a nice guy would be like telling a guy to fuck an ugly girl. If you can’t get it up, you can’t get it up, it’s got nothing to do with how blameworthy you are.

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I’d argue it’s more nurture than it is nature. Women are sponges to social engineering. They are the biggest suckers for the brain dead consumerist American culture. The girls who listen to pop country want a guy with a pickup truck. Others want the Jersey shore type.. etc.

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They aren’t attracted to “nice guys” thats in their nature. Nice guys tend to be weak, effeminate, and don’t have resources or other women chasing them showing the girl that they aren’t valuable.

A woman would rather be a side chick to an alpha with lots of options then be the main chick to a beta nice guy with no other options other than her.

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That’s mostly American women. But honestly, are you sure it’s not just you that’s the problem sometimes? I don’t feel the need to act like a “bad boy” to pull 7s and up.. Just sayin.

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Well you can’t be super nice, subservient, and do what she says and allow her to lead you. You don’t have to be a dick but alpha males who lead and are dominant will beat out the beta nice guys in every race of women.

The only reason “chivlary” worked back in the day was because you were trying to impress her PARENTS not the girl because the parents were the gatekeeper to allowing you to marry and fuck her. She didn’t have a say in the matter. Nowadays that shit doesn’t apply b/c feminism and its affects.

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If you have a 6 pack of abs and look good you don’t need any game at all. It works for me

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In the U.S or overseas? Also you can’t walk around everywhere with your shirt off so you’ll be limited in day game or anywhere that isn’t the beach lol

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thats true. Mexico here, for now. I think what you keep referring to is the overly saturated dating market in the U.S. for men. Even 5’s in the U.S. have like 30 dudes at any given time on a constant text message basis, always telling them they’re beautiful. In my opinion the “game” required to score high quality American chicks is just not worth it. But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do in the U.S. just to get your pussy fix.

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I’m in Canada, which is a country that makes the U.S dating market look like damn heaven. Its gotten so bad that you will see ugly bitches bitching out their attractive, jacked boyfriends in public and the dudes just take it. This is why most of the pickup artists are from Canada.

And if you want over a 7/10 then good luck unless you are rich as fuck. LOL I’m movin to mexico man, except I heard that obesity is pretty bad there so idk.

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rich as fuck – because all women ARE hookers… only thing that differs is their demographics…

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So do you bang hot chicks just by having a six pack, cause I’m pretty ripped but it doesn’t get results in Canada cause most of the time you’re freezing your ass off in a parka lol

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I think in Latin America you can really just get what you’re worth, or maybe even a little more if you’re in Colombia or Peru. So if you are naturally pretty good looking it won’t be hard at all to score with an 8+ down here. I imagine Canada is about the same as the U.S. Cold approaching never worked all that great for me in the U.S. It’s not impossible by any means to score with an American woman, but it involves finding a way into her social circle most of the time. I’m a day gamer BTW, not a big fan of nightlife.

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Do you know any black guys that do well with girls down there?

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Yeah I think blacks would so fine down here because you would stick out even better than a gringo. In Colombia you wouldn’t be a sore thumb as much because of Afrocolombians. But Mexico would probably be good.

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Oh okay, thats awesome. I’ve been wanting to do traveling and Mexico is cheap as fuck I hear.

Wherever I go I need to get out of feminized Canada haha its terrible here.

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Also yeah cold approach is pretty useless in Canada unless you are in the non feminist provinces FAR away from Toronto aka the feminist capital of North America. Lots of men use prostitution here, cops don’t even regulate it anymore because its too hard.

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Latin America = EVERY PUSSY DISEASE THAT CAN BE SPREAD READILY AVAILABLE… AVOID SOUTH AMERICA, DON’T BE STUPID. And Ukraine? Hot women? C’mon, they’re all hookers… The West Great White Whore mentality spread (like their nasty dirty snatches) all over the world… which is what ?Islam and EVERY other country is battling = whore women and the uncaring self serving destruction they cause – then they blame men. Tired of little girls yet boys, guys and men? The learn to lead and discipline the little whores.

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well, that’s what the weak mangina’s and white knights do – kowtow to little parasites and live with their 2″ dicks producing more morns just like them…

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ya, and she’ll end up having kids because she’s an idiot and mommy didn’t know how to raise kids, nor did she care, she just WANTED somebody to pay for her hooker ass her HOLE life and then she’ll be a guilt trip democrat getting fatter and robbing mankind to pay for her self made disillusioned whore ass… while repeating the entire scenario with her stupid kids who got educated by yet more lazy stupid girls who just want to go shopping and udderly compete against each other… the devil IS THE WHITE FEMALE… and black ones too… and the ones who cause problems, like Hillary Clinton and Orpah Winfrey with their nonsense and drivel as they chunt the money down… maybe they should get to work – one of the ‘wage gap’ reasons is because women take way more sick days than men, and make excuses for everything – IT’S A LITTLE GIRLS LAZY ASSED EXPECT – NO RESPECT… PATHETIC GUILT TRIP.

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Kobebryant23 …. all the guys I’ve dated have been nice. I like nice guys. And I don’t know a single woman who wouldn’t get violent if she found out she was a “side chick.” Some women like men who look like bad boys, but are actually gentlemen.

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You aren’t the norm. Most women want a confident, high status, doesn’t take bullshit type of man. That is not what 99% of nice guys are like.

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And you’re such a “free thinker” which is why you’re here. You are a “brain dead consumerist”…yeah..just women are..Keep telling yourself that.

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The question is, would THEY be ‘the best option’ for a nice guy?
I think NOT!

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Send them a link to this article. Watch their hamsters explode.

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There was a 40 something woman who I used to work with. She was better looking in her youth. She now has the baby rabies and you know she would have shot me down in her youth like a duck in Duck Hunt.

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You mean, nice guys like you that support articles that lift men up but tear women down?

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It is called evening the balance smile And we are not nice guys anymore. Gender dynamics is gender warfare. Women and SJW opened fire first.

What goes around comes around…

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A man of 30 marrying a woman of 30 has got to be the STUPIDEST age pairing imaginable. But people do it all the time. Why marry when a man is only just reaching peak SMV while it’s on the terminal nosedive for women? Don’t marry at all. But if you do decide to cash in your chips eventually, do it when your 40 to a woman hovering around 25 and preferably Latin or Asian. It’s the ONLY way it’s gonna work and have suitable benefits for both parties.

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I love you Hubert Cumberdale!! How is your friend Salad Fingers doing?

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“Why marry when a man is only just reaching peak SMV while it’s on the terminal nosedive for women?”

Coincidentally, Rollo Tomassi just published a excellent post on this topic over at the rational male: “Betas in Waiting”.

http://therationalmale.com/2015/03/24/betas-in-waiting/

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Uh, why Latin or Asian? I am, and surely many others are, in agreement with Roosh on his tastes.

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it’s debatable of course, but i would say latinas generally make better wives than FSU girls. latinas tend to be more loyal and spiritual, and less materialistic than russian and ukrainian girls. i have no experience in EE outiside of ukraine, but based on what roosh and others have said about creeping feminism in poland, i’m going to guess that latinas are a better long term choice than girls from other EE countries too, generally speaking.

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Eh. I think Latinas tend to look a bit manly, myself, but that’s become the new taste of (or forced upon?) the American male.

But don’t let me steer you away. I just didn’t like Hubert’s limited preferences.

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How are they manly? They have the best bodies on earth and the best faces apart from white girls.

Plus they love to cook and are very traditional.

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Whatever you say. I don’t expect Americans to recognize what masculinity and femininity are anymore, and only they would need an explanation.

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Black women are the epitome of masculinity dude LOL they even have the highest testosterone levels of all races of women.

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They sadly need it for raising whatever children they have with (most any) black men, or most of the readers around here for that matter.

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Plenty of repulsive women around here. A large population of hippas, many who might have been pretty if they weren’t obese.
‘Course, many of the men are matching hippos, so they still can get a woman if a hippa will do.

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Mexico maybe (obesity capitol of the world) but in other Latin countries no way. Girls try and look hot until marriage then they let themselves and their bodies go to shit.

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The BMI of the average American woman is 26; the average for Chinese is 22. The per capita divorce rate in China is less than a third of America, but that is misleading because America’s marriage rate is far below China. In general, there is no cock carousel in China. There is no proper translation for the word “girlfriend” in Chinese. The transliteration “nu peng you” (女朋友) means something less than fiancé but far more serious than what westerners call a girlfriend. They have a cultural best-before-date of 27 while generally not hitting “the wall” (by the western appearance standards) until well into their 30s and even 40+.
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There are some exceptions to these cultural observations in Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong as they are more westernized. For example, they have the highest divorce rates but they are still about half that of what you see in America (43% depending on your source). They also have more “club scenes” and such.
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In short, they are programmed to stay trim, look good, be good marriage material, and then stand by their man.

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Latin or Asian is a good thing Mac Dog.

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As you please

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The point I was about to make.

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30 is the age many Beta men finally find some success with women. The problem is that they are still inexperienced and naive, easy prey for post-Wall women fishing for a marriage/divorce free ticket.

For good and worse, the Great Recession is making most men to wait/forego marriage and family. That gives us all hope that an entire generation of Millennial men will take the Red Pill and avoid the same mistakes made by their fathers.

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Working on it: 48 and dating a 26 year old Chinese girl. Oddly, Chinese women don’t really hit the wall until well into their 30’s but have a culturally-enforced best-before-date of 27.

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Even the llatina/asian choice is a losing proposition.
Women will always find ways to sponge money from men
Be a free agent…
Viva the men’s independence.

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Actually there is worse. I’ve seen men that marry women significantly older.

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I was talking to this 32 y/o woman with 4 kids from a prior marriage who managed to get a dude who was 23 to marry her.

That shit got me feeling depressed real quick.

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Booooo! A woman found love and marriage with a younger man! Don’t those bitches know that it’s only men who are allowed to do this! So sad! Someone found love and I’m still posting on this woman-hating website!

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He’s raising a bunch of kids that aren’t his offspring, he is pretty much a cuck. She was also old, pretty ugly, and most likely had 100’s of dicks in her and was WELL past her prime.

The man was decent looking and not even in his prime attractiveness yet and he was already trapped. She is going to be unfuckable in 5-10 years and he’ll be stuck or have to give up 50% of his net worth while already shelling out thousands to raise some other mans kids.

How isn’t that depressing?

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It’s certainly depressing for you because you only value women for one thing. Not everyone sees the world in your terms, neither do they want to. If I thought the way you did about people, I bet I would be pretty miserable too. Everyone is allowed to pursue their own happiness. The fact that it makes you “depressed”, is your own issue, not theirs.

Rational people aren’t “depressed” when someone else finds their happiness. No matter their age, income level, looks, or whatever mitigating factors you personally consider the only value to life. Because rational people want other people to be happy. Rational people respect other’s rights to love and relationships and do not define happiness purely by the age of and looks of the woman they are banging. You may not find her attractive an that’s totally your right. There are lots of men I don’t find attractive. There is a significantly high chance I wouldn’t find you attractive. Does that mean I don’t think you deserve love? Everyone deserves love. Everyone. You don’t get to have a say in that. And if you want one, you might as well become Hitler. Because you sound close to him. He hated people too because of the way they did or didn’t look.

Perhaps it’s time to do some personal soul searching Kobe and ask yourself why you have so much hate for the female gender. Why you think people don’t deserve love. Why you think women who aren’t of a certain age and look a certain way to you don’t deserve love. Why you think children who are adopted by a non-blood related adult, don’t deserve that adult’s love.

Some people are able to love people who aren’t blood related to them. Sometimes there are people in our family who are hard to love. Blood is not what makes a family.

At the end of the day, this couple you talk of, they get the last laugh. Because they created a family together, they share a home together. They are making memories together.

The only thing depressing here is actually you, and your hate for a family that loves each other.

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He won’t be happy though, I said It’s depressing to see that not that I’m depressed lol. The poor man knows nothing about women and he will pay for his mistake in alimony and child support that he is bound to start paying after they get divorced (shit doesn’t seem like it will last). I hate to see men put in this position due to the bullshit feminism has fed them.

Also I believe that women who are old washed up whores who’ve been fucked by tons of men don’t deserve love because they blew their chance. There are consequences for decisions you make in life, she spent her early ages whoring around and after she popped out a bunch of kids the poor dude gets the leftovers of her genuinely gross used body (with all the stretch marks, fat, etc.). The man doesn’t love her, he is desperate and broken believing he can’t get anyone else other than a gross old, unattractive single mother.

lol you sound like you believe the disney fairytales, please just get off this site lady reality is clearly too much for you to handle.

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Not wanting to emulate someone doesn’t mean you hate them.

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For sure, she gets to drag your aging dead carcass around and sleep around with hot gym guys and you get to pay all her bills and buy her pretty clothes. Sounds like a win-win for everyone. smile

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Im only 20, but I can already 100% confirm that when I’m 25 I will NOT be dating a middle-aged 40 year old man who should already be settled down with someone his own age and is almost old enough to be my father. Gross. My limit for relationships when im 25 will be guys aged between 20-32. Thats my personal preference. Most girls I know say their ideal partner would be 1-5 years old (3 years being the most popular).

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Good on you Nina! The men on this forum are delusional – they’re ugly, grey and building 40-year-olds who think they can score a young pretty thing. Just shows how stupid they are!

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You might lose your hotness as well sic transit gloria mundi

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no they aren’t. the guys who talk about getting younger get them. there is a reason they think they can get younger women. they are usually good looking and successful older men who would choose a 24 year old woman over an old hag any day.

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This comes a bit late, but I hope the most girls are not pedophiles who are interested in 1-5 year old boys.

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the women who say this usually are not attractive enough that older men would want them anyways. good looking successful older men who can get younger women want the best of the best younger women not average looking 20 year old girls.

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It’s a real shame to see a woman waste the currency of her youth for impulsive short-term entertainment. Nature is a powerful thing, it always wins.

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It’s not Mother Nature, it’s Father Time.

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shut up….its men who age…bald head…fatty …and grey beard

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And women don’t get saggy breasts, wrinkles and grey hair?

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may be its after 60…but its men who starts balding faster losing hair more over greying hair …shut up and get lost

i have seen men balding age of 26,27… bloody fools….if u r so concerned raise your daughters like that …okay….lets see about it

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It’s a real shame to see a woman waste the currency of her youth for impulsive short-term entertainment. Nature is a powerful thing, it always wins.

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Men age like fine whine, women age like milk.

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Most appropriate typo in a comment regarding women ever

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Tom Leykis may be Jewish but he’s a Saint first.

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Do you always waste people’s time quoting from articles you’re supposedly commenting on? Please bother reading the article next time.

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How the fuck does one sentence waste anyone’s time? No one forced you read or respond to it. It’s like I’m talking to a 2 year old.

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It’s difficult to be more lame (and stupid) than extracting a line from someone else’s article and presenting it as your own (find).

Indeed, this wastes people’s time and is an insult to the author, and the intelligence of those who bothered to read the article, even if you fail to realize it working with the intellect of a two-year-old.

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I didn’t even read the article idiot so how did i steal from it ? I got the line from Tom Leykis years ago. Meaning the person who wrote this article got from someone else as well, possibly the same place i did. Stop being a fucking 2 year old. You’re wasting my time. Stop acting like a fucking female staring arguments over nothing.

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It would seem you skimmed it since you have no depth at all to add to the conversation. Even a douche bag like you has a point about arguing over nothing, though. It’s just the lazy pointlessness of rehashing the quote to feed some mindless fandom that bothers me.

The better argument would be the old argument that I added nothing myself. Anyway, who cares…

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“Even a douche bag like you”

How so? Because i told you stop acting like a 2 year old and stop starting mindless arguments like a female? Shut the fuck up would you. The world doesn’t exist to make you happy. Get over yourself.

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Calm down,ladies.

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Only one of them is a lady. A very bitchy old one at that.

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Women who don’t take care of themselves (don’t exercise, eat too much processed foods, smoke/drink to excess, etc) age like spilled milk.

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don’t try to tell them though..they will go into a fit.
Fuck women..they are overrated and so is sex.

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Cardguy!

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Women: If it wasn’t for one thing, there’d be a bounty on ’em.
Well, that one thing would be worth interacting with a woman if she thought the same way.

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^This!

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LoL! Gotta remember that one.

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That’s just something men tell themselves to make themselves feel better in a world where they are loosing more social power every day as women gain it.

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No. It is an objective fact. Your responds proves that you don’t even have the slightest clue what I’m even talking about. I”m speaking about SMV(Sexual Market Value). Men’s increase with age due to increase wealth and status compared to women while women’s decrease with age after her 20’s due to her fading looks. The exactly opposite of your delusion.

http://therationalmale.com/2013/10/20/sex-lies-and-statistics/

Cry some more.

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Spider, lets have a rational discussion and not one fueled by illogical emotional taunting put downs like “cry some more”.

Your link, is a link to another men’s website that shows a clear lack fo respect for women in general. That’s not ‘fact’. That’s bias.

I actually don’t think any human being, man or woman, are devalued because they age. But that’s the principals I personally choose to live by. I’m not interested in degrading entire populations of people because of feelings of emasculation. There is certainly a prejudice against women regarding their age. But this was a contruct of a world heavily dominated by men, not one that’s rooted in any biological or logical fact. Frankly, biologically, the world wants both young men and young women to reproduce. Which is why after 30, men’s sperm begins to break down. Now yes, a 70 year old men can have a baby, but ED, a decrease in sexual desire, performance issues as men age, and the quality of sperm are scientific indicators that the world wasn’t biologically supporting a system where older men “age like fine wine”. This is infact a social contruct men put in place to keep women down and lift themselves up. There is really no need for it, but men have been striving for greater social power over many groups of people since the beginning of history.

Now back in the day, women certainly latched onto men with wealth and status because frankly, women had less freedom and choice in their own lives. But has women have gained social power, they are making different choices about their partners. They are looking for men for other reasons then wealth and status at greater numbers. This trend will only grow as women gain more and more independence.

You can choose to live in whatever world you wish. I choose to be a person that respects all kinds of people of all ages,sees value in all people, in both men and women and respect them for many other factors then the shallow ones that drive personal self interests.

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Notice who she never address anything i just said and just starts rambling on on about completely unrelated nonsense. She completely refuses to accept objective fact claim “bais” just because the information comes from a website she doesn’t like. She thinks age doesn’t matter and that SMV doesn’t exist because to admit that to herself would hurt their feelings as if reality gave a shit about what she feels.

Women get uglier and less fertile as they get older which means her SMV decrease as she gets older and men want young fertile women FACT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_and_female_fertility
http://yourfertility.org.au/for-women/age
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-112136/The-female-fertility-clock-starts-ticking-27.html

It is NOT a “soical construct”. When arguing with a women always ignore the fluff and get keep the conversations to the original point. Don’t let women derail the conversation with red herrings and other irreverent nonsense that has nothing to do with the point conversion.

Women age like milk. Reality is what it is, not what you wish it were. Deal with it and stop trying to troll me because you obviously failed.

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Spider, clearly you have fundamental issues regarding respecting women. You simply don’t. While I’m sure nothing in the world makes you feel better than when a woman respects you as a man. The thing is, you don’t get respect from people by actively degrading them and supporting views about their lack of worth to society as a whole. That’s just the reality of how things work. Which is probably one of many reasons why you most likely have difficult relationships with women to begin with. I know that it’s not popular to look inward at your issues with women on this site, but for your own future success and happiness, you may want to consider it.

We both know that you do not have the intellectual complicity to intelligently debate with me on the merits of actual factual data. Which is why you’ve decided to not address me and tried to manipulate the conversation insisting that I “rambled” about “unrelated nonsense”. My comments are actually compromised of more factual data than yours.

I don’t remember saying “age doesn’t matter”. Infact, I remember specifically saying that biology is a system that wants young men and young women having off-spring. It ‘s biologically true that women are more fertile when they are young. It is biologically true that men have healthier sperm when they are young, have less ED issues and other sexual complications. There are scientific facts. Women are drooling over Chris Evans and Ryan Gosling more then they are drooling over aging Brad Pitt now-a-days. Ask a 19 year old woman what she thinks of Brad Pitt vs Chris Evans and you probably won’t like the answer because it goes against your fear-mongering around your own personal aging.

People get older. People get wrinkles. People loose hair in some places and grow it in others. Fact. Men are some of those people that this happens to. Fact. Women have more economic and social freedom. Fact. Women are looking for more qualities in men now-a-days than just money. Fact. Women are enjoying their financial and sexual freedom. Fact. Most of the men on this website probably make anywhere from 10k-50k a year on average. Not exactly the kind of money that is going to pull the type of women you would hope for. Fact.

Yes, the idea that women get worse with age but men get better is totally a social construct, it’s certainly not a biological one. How you could dispute this only makes you look like someone who doesn’t understand science and logic.

Posting videos that clearly have no respect for women and look to degrade them, is not “fact”. It’s biased. Call me a troll all you want. I’ve been logical in my arguments.

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Testify to the truth.. These emos won’t understand logic though.. Hypothetical situation : I am a nineteen year old girl- Brad and Chris come a courtin’ .. I would accept Brads flowers and candy.. Then would tell Brad my pops is waiting for him in the house watching the game..Chris and I would giggle about the “old goat” in between kisses later.

Harsh but true.. No offense to Brad either.. He is still good looking.. But really can’t compete with a young stud.. Who cares? He has a woman that shares his ideals and loves him for who he is.. Now that is what life is really about..

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For sure, Brad’s a nice looking older man. Angelia Jolie is a good looking older woman. But there is a reason we are seeing more movies with Chris Evans and not Brad Pitt. There might be the occasional 20 something that goes for a much older man. But usually that’s bcause has money. It’s not like 20 year old girls are dating 40 year old plumbers. And if the kind of girl you want is that shallow, and dates you because you offer her money and fun experiences, then you two deserve each other.

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how bout this 38 year old man ? this guy is probably too good looking for you anyways.comment image

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*Cites no source at all
*A bunch of read hearings with no relevance to what i said.
*Make baseless claims back up by absolutely nothing at all yet pretends it is fact
*Accuse me of manipulating the conversation while writing bunch of irreverent nonsense that has nothing to do with SMV at all and attacks me personally.
*Pretends her opinions are objective facts
*Attacks me personally and claims i have some short of mental issues without ever meeting me in real life.
*Ignores all sources i cited and pretends I’m being illogical while she ignores demonstrable proven facts just because she doesn’t like it.
*Claims i have relationship issues with no evidence then hypocritical claims i have no respect for women for posting a video that someone else made that destroys her delusion about age .
* Then claims I’m being illogical while committing everyone logical fallacy there is. Bare Assertion, Red Herring, Begging the Question and Ad-homminim being the most common in her case. I can guarantee she has no fucking clue what either of them are.

Remember men, when factually data destroys a women delusions all you are going to get in return is hypocritical personal attacks , Red Herrings, Fluff, and a bunch derailing from the main point of the discussion and will never actually support a word she says with actual data or logical argument while claim her unproven BS is “fact”. Hahhaha. I bet she is a 40 year old single mother who hates her job and is angry at me because no guy will date her anymore.

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*wink, I’ll see what I can scrounge up. It’s certainly going to be a heck of a lot better than your “links” to websites created by average guys like you that show a clear dislike for the female gender.

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So Wikipedia, thedailymail, and yourferitility .org are now misogynistic websites? hahhahahahaha.

I have to wonder why are you on Roosh’s website since you think we are all just misogynist loser? I want to know what your hamster comes up with.

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Goodness, use your head. You did post links to websites created by average guys like you to demean the female gender.

The truth is that you simply don’t have the intellectual chops to debate with me which is why you simply attack instead of actually talking about the points I brought up. None of the websites you provided refute or disprove anything I’ve said. Do you know why that is? I do. Lets see if you can figure it out.

Lastly, your insults are a reflection of you. Refering to another human being as ‘it” and all your other nonsense says more about you as a person than it does me as a person.

Don’t worry though, when I get more time today or tomorrow, I’ll provide some links for you. Oh by the way, you do realize that requesting links to back up what I’m saying proves that you actually do understand the points I’m making. You simply don’t want to believe in logic and fact for whatever reason.

I don’t think you area ll “misogynistic losers”. If I didn’t think I could offer a fresh perspective, offer things some of you don’t see, I wouldn’t be here. Frankly, I just want both men and women to treat each other with more respect and have healthier relationships. That’s never going to be achieved if you refuse to see women as your equals and as human beings, not just something you want to or don’t want to stick your penis into.

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*Claims she wants men and women to treat each other with more respect and demands to be seen as equals to men

*Does nothing more than insult me and every other man on this website by claiming we are just misogynistic losers who can’t get laid proving her own lack of respect for men.

In true hypocritical female fashion she can’t(or won’t) to adhere to the very same moral standards she demands of others. An complete and other lack of self awareness is a reoccurring theme although out female nature. Once you ignore all the fluff she throws at you and get right to the meat and bones of what she is saying it will become self-evident and obviously for any red-pill man.

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You’re reacting on pure emotion and not with any logic. *You* said the “misogynistic losers” comment, not me. Seriously, use your head. I do think there is a fair amount of women-hating going on here. Denying that is irrational. It’s also irrational that you want to point out how I’m insulting people around here but you hold no accountability to other men who are insulting women. Such as when you go on to talk about “female nature” and make insulting claims about women.

Like I said, you clearly don’t have the intellectual chops to talk with me. You further prove this each time you attack me with your nonsense instead of just being a reasonable person and talking about what you disagree with. But we both know you don’t disagree with me. Because my comments are backed up by actual fact and science.

When you’re able to be more logical, and less emotional, then we can actually have a discussion.

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“Denying that is irrational. It’s also irrational that you want to point
out how I’m insulting people around here but you hold no accountability
to other men who are insulting women. Such as when you go on to talk
about “female nature” and make insulting claims about women.”

If you don’t’ like what is being said here then leave. Nobody force your dumb ass to come here in the first place. You are so desperate for male attention that you that you would rather have “misogynist” attack and belittle you than to be completely devoid of male attention. Either way you are a troll and loser who just wants the last world no matter how irrational and stupid it is. Nobody wants to be with you, get over it. Now go fuck off will you.

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You’re so foolish Spider. I’m not the one being belittled. You’re belitting yourself. Watching you jump up and down like a wild man and shot insults makes you look poor, not me. That’s on you. What you choose to say about others is purely a reflection of you, it’s not a reflection of me. When someone calls someone else a nigger or other slurs, that’s their embarressment, not the person they are trying to direct to slur to. smile

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It’s mother’s day though, so go kiss your Mamma. Just don’tell her how much you sincerely hate women.

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“you hate women”

Is female speak for “I lost the argument and no longer have anything else to say of merit.

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Your anger and attacks are proof positive that what I have to say does have merit and you are doing everything in your power to fight against it with insults instead of actual intelligent discussion. You do hate women Spider. You may want to sleep to them, you most certianly jerk off to them in a dark little room by yourself most days of the week, but you do not actually really like women. And healthy women, they can spot men that are angry to their gender and are degrading to their gender. Maybe you’ll attract a woman as unhealthy as yourself. But I suspect you’ll both end up more miserable than not.

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*Accuses me of having anger attacks and lacking intelligent discussion then the very same paragraph dedicates an entire post accusing me of hating women and not being able to get laid in the very same post that claims I’m attacking her and fails to see the irony of what she is saying not even aware of the fact that here entire post was nothing but an anger attack towards me. Your lack of self awareness is typical of the female gender.

So, Yea you clearly lost the argument.

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It’s very childish when you say things like “So, Yea you clearly lost the argument”. Are you 12 years old? Just because you make these statements, and believe them in your own head, doesn’t make them reality.

Spider, you do hate women. I say this with no anger. It’s you who is angery. and you know it. It’s reflected in the way you talk. It’s reflected when you choose to call another human being “it”. It’s reflected when you choose to not talk to me directly as a person and refer to the men who you believe care about what you say. When you are able to seriously confront the issues you have with women within yourself, then you can begin to fix it. Just because you hate women today, doesn’t mean that you have to always hate women. You can be a better man. but it’s not going to happen here. You are stewing in your own anger and you will continue to struggle with your relationships with women because of it. You will also continue to blame women instead of seeing yourself as the problem.

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“I say this with no anger. It’s you who is angery. and you know it. ”

*Angry* LOL. You are so angry that you can’t even bother to correct your own spelling. Dumb bitch.

It is self evidence and obvious you lost the argument when you can no longer give a serious reply to any of the fact base claims i make and the only reply you can make is “you hate women”. LOL. All you are doing is doubling down on your imaginary view of reality. My only guess is that you are a 40 year old women who is so desperate for male attention that you spend your time on “Misogynistic” websites trolling men like myself because it is the only male attention you can possible get. You are a pathetic excuse of an human being. You are clearly a product of modern sheltering, without of which genetic failures like yourself could have never been born. Now please go fuck off.

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Lol, I’ve always been a poor speller, sometimes spelling mistakes are simply because I didn’t type perfectly. I have never been ashamed or embaressed about this. I don’t spend all day long correcting my spelling on everything I say on the internet. Especially within spaces like these. The fact that you are again, choosing to spend your time making arguments against me personally, and not simply discussing the topic, speaks volumes for your inability to intelligently argue or debate where you may disagree. Most rational people are able to argue their case without demeaning themselves to the point you’ve demeaned yourself.

The fact that you can call another person a “dumb bitch” does display your anger and hate specifically for women. The fact that you can call another person a “dumb bitch” is a poor reflection of you, not of me. As for your other insults…. :)… your irrationality grows by the minute. You are so emotionally intrenched right now, you’re simply not a very rational person at the moment. YOu could have spend this time making actual logical arguments, but you just don’t have the chops for it. So instead, you’ve gone on a emotional tirad that is absolutely meaningless in teh grand scheme of things.

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What part of “fuck off”do you not understand? It basically means LEAVE. NOW. You inability to comprehend the most basic of commands is proof how fucking stupid women are.

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1) Look at the delusional behavior where this man believes that by telling someone to “leave”, that they actually will do it. He seems to fail to understand the concept that people are allowed to talk where they wish and when they wish.
2) Another reference to “how fucking stupid women are” – thus again proving his heavy emotional anger toward women and his hate for them.

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1) So what are you going to do? Annoy and troll me to death.
2) Nobody on this website gives a shit you fucking moron. You think I on anyone else here gives a shit about you think of me? Calling women what they are (dumb children who don’t know anything) is just stating a fact as all of your comments clearly prove. As is said before objective reality doesn’t give shit about your fellings. You are just an attention whore.

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Spider, for your sake, I hope you come to grips with your hate for women. Its only in your own best self interest to heal from your scary and pyschopathic amount of anger you clearly have toward the female gender. Until then, I hope you enjoy a lot of butt fucking because that…or your hand..is really the only sex you’re gonna get.

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Yea, you are clearly a troll.

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And you have significant issues with the female gender. You probably want to bang them, you probably spend half your day wanking it to the soft glow of your computer, but you don’t actually like women. And that’s the real issue. It’s not women, it’s you. But you aren’t mature enough to recongnize your own flaws and fix them. So you rail against women.

I want there to be healthier relationships between men and women. Places like this degrade men and women. You can think for yourself. You don’t have to follow a random man on the internet just because he can write a blog, make a website and spread hate.

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If that helps you sleep better at night.

“You probably want to bang them, you probably spend half your day wanking
it to the soft glow of your computer, but you don’t actually like
women. ”

You seem very familiar with masterbation and computer screens. Projection much?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

“Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.”


H.L. Mencken

Does anyone actually really like or hate women? What is the point of hating women anyway? They are just animals that run on pure blind instinct and nothing else. Women are too infantile and childlike to be hated and too easily manipulated to be worthy of respect from men or other women for that matter. Women are merely an means to an end(sex/bearing men’s children/ect).

Since you hate “misogynist” so much while don’t you go to Afghanistan or Africa and do something about? Oh yea, because you are not actually serious about it all but just another worthless troll who wants to feel morally superior to others so you run around crying “muhsognity” because you can’t actual accomplish anything in the real world. Women in general tend to be more about whining about problems then actually action.

“Places like this degrade men and women. ” Then leave you moron. You won’t because your intentions are so fucking obvious. You suck at trolling.

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Oh Spider, don’t pretend you don’t spend a good chunk of your time holding yourself, crying into the wee hours of the night wishing you could bang a real live woman – even as you hate them. At least you have your hand…otherwise I fear you’d be shooting up a school with all your anger and hate.

Your hate for women runs deeper than I even thought. That must be really hard for you being that you’re so attracted to them. You’re probably one of those guys that likes to beat women anyway. The more misogynism you post, the more clear your irrationality becomes.

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Keep projecting your own failings with women on to everyone else omega loser:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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It’s easy to tell yourself that so you don’t have to confront your own hate toward women.

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Compare Keith Richards against Christy Brinkley and bring up your milk and fine wine argument.. Oh boy someone is in denial…and lacks logic.. Or is blind..

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That is not an argument you idiot. Single antidotes don’t prove anything. You are the one in denial. Moron.

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lol…Christie Brinkley is the only woman on earth over 60 who looks like that. this is how women age versus men agecomment image

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Fully agree.. But sperm quality degrades after thirty?? I thought a little later than that.. If so.. The menfolk here need to stop with the fine wine myth..

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Yes, it’s 30. Men over 40 have a six-fold increase in autism disorders in their children compared with men under 25. Consider what a big issue are now having with autism in our culture, older fathers are a direct result of it. Although probably not the only result. Older fathers are contributing to schizophrenia, dwarfism and other disease too. Medical research use to predominately focus on women and now it’s collecting more information around how older fathers are negatively affecting their off-spring. Sure, an older man can have a baby. But the quality of his sperm matters. This is all just biology though. Nothing we can really do about that. I still think older men and women should have kids if they want them. We just need to stop perpetuating the myth that only women’s youth in these equations matter.

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Thanks for the info….I hope the men here stop heeding the myths and start researching facts..

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Me too. I think that a lot of men are more scared of getting older than women actually are. In our culture, getting older = being irrevelant. But it doesn’t have to be that way. That’s just the way our society chooses to see things.

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I hope all women and men of all races are gone from earth leave planet earth alone good riddance

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you know that mother’s age is a far bigger factor in genetic defects than father’s age..right ?

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“Material ” Market value maybe.. But keep in mind many women have careers and can support themselves fine.. Sexual market value? Give me a break. A forty year old + male cannot compete with a thirty year old. The quality of sperm greatly declines after the age of 35. Then there’s ED and loss of penile sensitivity.. Many men 40+ are balding and have gained a paunch. This is not sexually alluring in any way shape or form.. Money can’t buy raw sex appeal.. And if a young woman marries such a man it’s likely she may cheat with a younger more virile male.. I am not saying that an older man can’t be attractive- but- younger men are much more sexually appealing. Especially to women their age.. You are being illogical by the way. The female / wise male commenters are telling it like it is..

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Women rule the world nice utopia i hope humans of all races are gone before 2050 or 2100 all humankind is sinful and degenerate since 1945 start of globalization

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men do look a lot better than women 30+. I can count on 1 hand how many women I have met who I would say were attractive 35+ in my life. There are far more men who have looked much younger for their age than women.

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Too bad a lot of men this days age like a banana peel left out in the desert.

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Not too long ago, I ran into a formely hot and fit girl I used to have a thing for a decade ago. Father time hasn’t been kind to her.

Her once perky breasts of considerable size have sagged and shrunken, much like a couple of peaches that have been exposed to the scorching rays of the sun for an entire summer day. A gut has developed which she attempts to camouflage by wearing black. A receding hairline. Her skin looked like it sustained heavy micrometeorite bombardment: blemished, cratered, and devoid of that estrogenized youthfull softness.

The party’s over.

The thing that surprises me the most is how some women seem to think they can chain smoke for over a decade without it having consequences for their appearance. Not to mention the regular booze. Or the lack of exercise. Or the bad diet. Barring some exceptions, they have been blessed with a highy valuable, but depreciating asset (i.e. their youthfulness and beauty), but instead of attempting to maintain it for as long as possible, they decide to accelerate its depreciation by picking up smoking and developing a drinking habit.

How did I hold up you ask? I’m in my early 30’s, yet can easily pass for a 22-25 year old. I’m at or approaching peak physical fitness (still regularly breaking pr’s). Peak SMV seems to be at least half a decade away.

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Even for decent women the fall is precipitous. I worked at a branch of Encorpera with a lovely Latina. After I left she married another fella there, and they had a couple of kids. A few years later I returned and there she was. Did not recognize her at all. She was still a fine cheerful person but the physical transformation was dramatic, almost disorienting. But she had a good husband and lovely children. She seemed happy and content.

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I had this happen to me a couple years back. This “ok” looking chick I knew thru a friend came up and started talking to me at one of my hangouts. I honestly asked her: “Have we met before?” I had ZERO idea who she was, she aged HORRIBLY in just ~2 years. WNB. She was taken aback by my question, but, fuck it, I didn’t care.

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Imagine you are the guy stuck with this piece of shit for the duration
HELP!!!

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How about we see your pictures fellows. smile

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‘She had a good husband, lovely children, and seemed happy and content’ — this sounds like she got a good return for ‘investing’ her youth, beauty, and fertility in a relationship which resulted in a happy marriage, children, and a happy family.
Definitely better than the typical return that the typical Western female gets when she ‘invests’ her youth, beauty, and fertility in riding the carousel and ‘finding herself’ while simultaneously exploring her ‘inner slut’.

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I once dated a girl, aged 28. While she was sweet, caring and nice, she was already clumpy and saggy, with wrinkles around her eyes. I couldn’t overlook the fact that she never went to the gym.

Once I saw a photo of her at 24, I ejected. She looked full of youth, her skin shining and her muscles firm. I actually felt bad about leaving her, since she was not a carousel rider, just a white girl with average genetics. But having no intention to marry her, I knew it was a matter of time before I could not get it up with her.

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Of course not. You, the average american man who is probably very average looking himself and probably makes only 40k a year if that, deserves Maxim models and women who never age.

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Just like 35 year old average looking women who think they deserve George clooney. No difference

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I was shocked a few years ago to be at a party and see a girl I knew from college. She was 23-24, but looked dramatically different than at 19. Some girls age far worse than others. If a girl loses a couple of points in that timeframe, 30+ will be tragic.

I’m nearly 32 and the average guess of my age is 25-26. Even if I looked older it wouldn’t matter to me, the confidence and game I have now far surpass any advantages conferred by my youth. God bless Rollo and his SMV graph for showing us the light.

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Come on, don’t fall for that! You should know that most people want to be polite when guessing someone’s age. So bad news, people probably think you are older than 25-26. Good news is that it does not matter a lot anyway for a guy, as long as you are making progress in your life. smile

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Thanks for the news, but I’m not falling for anything. Women aren’t sensitive about hurting a mans feelings like it is the other way around. I’ve got a 5+ year cushion on my looks and get surprised responses regularly. If a girl knows your age she can disqualify you as a knee-jerk reaction anyway, but when you’re going for girls 18-23, looking under 30 helps. Of course making progress in other areas matters.

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For sure, you, and all the men here, seem really sensitive about not wanting to hurt women’s feelings. But it sure is fun to put women down behind their backs right? You guys are truly upstanding men. Any girl would be lucky to have you. That is, until she hits 25 and becomes a disgusting mess. Hey, at least as a man, you simply have more worth as a human being than any woman does so it works out for you. Except, so many of you here seem so miserable and angry and you seem to really struggle with finding relationships, love and respect.

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I reckon alcohol is what kills them. Here in Australia girls drink HEAVILY every week – this is why they all look ghastly by 30. I know a couple of girls who don’t drink and are fitness fanatics, and they still look very bangable.

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Same. Last time I lifted hard was around 23, and I didn’t care much about putting on fat. Fast forward to 29–I’m hitting new PRs constantly and I now have enough built up strength to bulk and cut effectively. Add money, achievements, confidence.

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Just because they are still hanging out in clubs after their looks have curdled doesn’t mean that they aren’t still hot.

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Upvoted for irony

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LOL You ARE being sarcastic, right?

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Amen to that. I recently went out with a 26 year old girl whom I met at a bar in Poland. She told me during casual conversation some of the men she’d been with so far, one of which was an American fighter pilot from Arizona (I guess this was supposed to impress or intimidate me in some way). Anyway, her standards were far higher than those of the many younger girls I had talked to before meeting her, and her beauty was beginning to fade, and I could tell that her waist used to be smaller, and the lights in her eyes – if you know what I mean – were starting to get dimmer. When she listed her requirements, I almost vomited. I told myself that she can go fuck herself, because I wasn’t going to put in the effort if, for the same amount of effort, I can get a younger girl with higher value. And I did. The turn off is not that they get older – I can’t blame them for aging – but their increasing standards with every new cock, and their requirements that become more unreasonable with every pump and dump just piss me off so much these days that I end up dumping them before even pumping them. I just can’t be bothered anymore.

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“I end up dumping them before even pumping them. I just can’t be bothered anymore.”

It will get worse. You will begin to tolerate them much less in the future.

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Agreed. I find myself losing interest more and more rapidly.

It’s a combo of me becoming less and less tolerant of them and them getting worse.

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Disheartening to know it’s not just me. I hang out with a few guys and we regularly go out to “sharpen the skills” if you would, and I find that I alone am the only one who sees right through the BS these broads throw at us. We are all fairly attractive, fit and between 37-32. Girls ALWAYS assume we are 25-27, they ALWAYS make basic conversation a major hassle, never mind that they throw IOIs like a bitch in heat. Yet, from the get go the test, rudeness, self-absorbedness, and their try-hard attempts at aloofness just immediately turn me off. It’s so bad that I will just walk off mid sentence when they begin to irritate me.

I also find myself loosing patience with a couple of the a fore mentioned guys. They will holla at literally ANYTHING. Fat, ugly, slush-headed, sloppy, unfeminine, blatant feminist, androgynous dressed, no matter, she gets play. I keep telling them lay off that shit. you are just encouraging the very behavior, and ugliness men hate. They agree, then do the same thing all over the next time…even bedding these skanks!

Last weekend, a friend ran across this fat Indian chick he used to work with. She was one of the most entitled heifers I ever met. Looks wise she was a 4+ at best. Yet he was up her ass the whole night. Even when she plainly made it clear she preferred me. (funny cause I ignored her most of the night, even calling her fat in ear shot of her when he was asked me if I was gonna scoop her)

At the end of the night she was literally begging him to stay with her. Later the next day he told me he went home then stopped by her place in the morning on the way to work and smashed it. He was actually proud!! I just bit my tongue and acted ambivalent.

As much as I want to lay the fault at the feet of these whores, it’s the guys who actually enable it.

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That is so true. Met one 26 year old woman who told me that she rejected her tall handsome boyfriend 1,5 years ago, because he got an excellent job in Shanghai and wanted her to move with him to China for a few years. Her body was already deteriorating fast, she chases Players as if they are her life-blood and works her “glamorous” nursing job at a grueling 60 hours/week pace. I told her she was an idiot, for refusing the marriage proposal of such a high-potential man. I heard that she is now on psycho-pharma now getting depressive bouts regularly. I encounter ever more of those girls now in Poland.
Fuck them – let them ride to their “sexual peak” at age 35-45.

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Nurses are women who seek drama (i.e. sick people, emergency rooms) and will ALWAYS reject a “boring” responsible man for a bad boy or an insane lifestyle. If you’re looking to bed a nurse, just lie about having a criminal record or drug problem. Or say you’re unemployed. The problem with your tall successful friend should be self-evident when it comes to a nurse. Be Opposite George with nurses.

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At one point in time, young women were not allowed to service as nurses. It was thought too improper.

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I wouldn’t even want to converse with someone like that.

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“their increasing standards with every new cock, and their requirements that become more unreasonable with every pump and dump”

i hadn’t really thought about this much before, but i compare it to my wife, who has never been with anyone but me and think you might have a point. she’s just appreciative of everything i do for her, little stuff and small stuff, and still just easy to be around after three years. totally different from other women in my past, even after a few months together.

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That is why our ancestors directed women to marry young and virgin. Once they taste enough cocks, they crave for more and more and more, until no man is enough. Civilization collapse follows a couple generations later.

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What’s wrong with wanting a lot of cock? smile Cock is awesome when it’s not attached to a prick. smile

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Lots of cock is wonderful.. Esp when it’s attached to a white knight/ mangina.. Wink wink..:) he he he.. (Assholes and pricks are too selfish to please a woman)…0

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Lol. Sheesh, you would think they would love it that we love the cock. Instead it’s like some kind of insult that a woman might love the cock. There is no pleasing some people!

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You and I both know they are pissed that women don’t love THEIR cock.. And that’s the main issue here..women don’t wanna f;$$k them.. Hmm ..wonder why??

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Too true Ms. Andie. Too true. They don’t understand that one fundmental way to get a woman to like you is to actually like and appreciate women. And not just as little baby makers.

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Your wife may still divorce rape you in the future.

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absolutely. but had i not gotten married i would almost certainly regret not having a family. nothing in life is certain.

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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

heh.

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As a man ages and becomes wiser, it learns that time is the most valuable resource of all.

Women also know that, very, very well. As they age, their standards go higher since they only have so many Alphas left before they hit the Wall.

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Excellent article, as usual, Roosh.

Factor in excess sun exposure, smoking, drug use (prescribed and illegal, including birth control pills, implants, patches, etc.), excessive drinking and eating processed food and the aging process in women is turbocharged to its unsightly and unattractive end.

And even though the majority of these women know they belong on the “day old bread” shelf, they still try to act like their in their prime. Pathetic and sad.

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I think that whether your a man or woman, you want to live a full, quality life. And you don’t want your age to be the factor in what makes you worth while to society or not. We can see that here in how many men are bragging about how young they look. People don’t want to become irrelevant. People want to have a full, happy life well into old age. And all people deserve the basic human right to seek their happiness and enjoy life to the fullest well into old age. Why would you want to take that away from women when you don’t want it taken away from you as a man?

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Beacuse many men are longing for a lifetime woman companion even when they are in their early twenties. But women these days have been given so much options they think it will last forever, therefore they dump many a good man, who would make a great father and husband and go for the ‘alpha boys’. How many times a guy dumps a woman? Like one in ten, maybe, if she becomes unbearable. Therefore these washed out bitches don’t deserve happines when the wasted all possibilities in their early years.

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“I have more gray hair for sure, but women continue to guess my 35-year-old age as being in the late 20′s. ”
And I thought it was just me (38)! Well, not like 29 but sure they say 32-33. Thank you Gym! Thank you healthy diet! Thank you supplements!

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what supplements?

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Usual stuff. Whey protein, glucosamine, chondroitine, msm, vitamins, carnitine, hialuronic acid, salmon oil, glutamine, bCAA, creatine, etc.

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If you eat a healthy, balanced diet you won’t need supplements.

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Food is so tasteless, altered and watered down now you almost need supplements. Unless of course you own or control your own food supply.

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I’m 43 but most people still think I’m in my twenties also. It’s good to be a genetic Alpha.

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Yeah, sure! I am 95, but have the skin of a 35 year-old.

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Lol theres always at least one middle aged men who still thinks he looks as good as a 20 year old lad. Wake up bros…. Men age too. Some age like sh*t.

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I wish I could post my pic. Im in my late 30s but could still pass for 20s. My aging is actually legit. No balding, no wrinkles, none of that crap.

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you don’t look anywhere close to 20s. guys in their 20s usually aren’t bald with graying hair on the sides.

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Roosh
What will your strategy be when attractive young girls find you too old and ugly?

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no such thing

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This.

Money makes a man 10 years younger.
Fame makes him another 10 years younger.
Power another 10 years.

The 60yo millionaire celebrity, is 40 years old in a woman’s eyes.

P.S. Question to Roosh. Why am I banned from commenting at ROK?

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you probably said something about jewish people

Johnny
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Lol

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Easier said than done. A smart man like you might not be able to get it up knowing women are with you only for the money.

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And yet you banned the Greek Kamaki for doing the same.

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Relocate to poor countries…with a demographic explosion ..
Indonesia and Phils for me.

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Had this exact conversation last weekend with my sister, who’s about to turn 40. She’s been married for 15 years, eats healthy, stays in shape, doesn’t smoke, so she has stayed in pretty much the same shape she has always been. But I still had to remind her that, despite her aging better than most of her peers, if she were to get divorced she would have to settle for someone worse than her current husband, who looks exactly the same as he did when they met 17 years ago. She initially said, “Well that’s depressing,” to which I responded, “No, what’s depressing is making an irreversible major life decision based upon a faulty understanding of reality, like a large number of women I know your age have done.” She reluctantly agreed.

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Wow, you sound like an awesome brother. Way to support a woman who is actually doing the right thing and not hanging out in clubs trying to attract younger guys for casual sex, which is sad and pathetic. I guess you felt it was important to remind her, that, though she looks younger, is the same shape she has always been, and is committed to one man, that it could all fall to hell at the drop of a hat. Why did you feel you had to “remind” her? What purpose did that serve towards her well being? Or was your intention to be mean to her?

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Simmer down, Susie. It came up in a conversation about why I mainly date girls 15-20 years younger than me. She asked me a couple of point blank questions about men’s perceptions of female attractiveness in relation to aging. As is the female inclination, she then turned the conversation toward herself, and, as is my inclination, I responded truthfully. She can handle it.

Assuming you are a guy, do you have a younger sister? Because this is how the big brother – little sister dynamic typically plays out. I tease, she reacts, I smile, and she eventually realizes I have her best interests at heart, as always.

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You generally date women 15-20 yrs younger because their standards are lower. Be man enough to admit it dickwad. I don’t know what planet you live on but here on planet earth, most men I know look every bit if not older than their age.

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Yep, most do. Makes my job a hell of a lot easier too. The rest of your comment is just wishful thinking though. Funny, but delusional.

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Line-up 100 people at age 40. …50 men, 50 women.
Then go ahead & let the line-ups speak for themselves.
Men age better than women.

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You generally date women 15-20 yrs younger because their standards are lower.

HE dates women 15-20 yrs younger because:
1. They are young and hot
2. He can

THEY date him because:
1. The reason (to him) is Irrelevant

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Being young doesn’t automatically make a woman hot. A lot of young women just dont have pretty faces and some older women do.

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Simmer down Susie that’s funny hahaha yeah I admit I was floored but also laughing at your post. Thank you for explaining further when you didn’t have to I appreciate that. I don’t agree, that as we get older we have to settle for something worse than our husbands or boyfriends etc, just because we look older. Because for me, “something worse” doesn’t mean someone whose isn’t years younger than me and ripped. Actually, given the fragile self esteem of most women as they get older in a youth obsessed culture, I imagine I would feel even less secure about my looks if I was dating a much younger man but that’s me can’t speak for all women.

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@nattashawilliams:disqus
I would argue that he is helping his sister. Women are prone to do stupid shit. Reminding them of the terrible consequences of bad decisions is what a good male sibling should do.

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Men are also prone to do stupid shit, in fact humans in general are prone to do stupid shit, like generalizing about a whole group of human beings based on one or two bad experiences and being fueled by the stories of other people’s bad experiences.

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You most likely don’t know this person’s sister in real life so don’t go thinking you know what’s best for them.

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If older women going to clubs and trying to seduce younger men for sex is pathetic, then older men doing the same is equally pathetic. Trust no young woman thinks its cool when they see it. They all cringe.

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A man in the right place shouldn’t really even be thinking about this.

Girls give no thought to beta males. It’s only men in transition that would give importance to anything concerning low-value women.

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I don’t even understand why he’s there.

Russia is tough, but why would you want to be with girls that are essentially the equivalent of prostitutes?

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A good whore can simulate love better than a woman that says I love you.

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Men will still pay for sex no matter what the currency is. Many pathetic chumps the world over, may God have mercy on their souls, even paid with life-time self-enslavement in order to get some low quality actions with pathetic quality women.

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Any time a man involves himself with a woman and in any way cares about her no matter how slightly he pays. You know and like it.

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And yet you’re posting this from Western Europe…

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He is delusional

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I discovered the same thing recently upon seeing recent photos of my first girlfriend from 10 years ago. When I dated this girl she was WAY out of my league and every day was a constant struggle to try and keep her. When she eventually left me I was depressed for months, and in a sense she became my “white whale” – The one that got away.

The new photos tell a different story, though. Like the sisters in Roosh’s tale this girl still had her long flowing hair, her face was still the same, and she still had the large breasts that I enjoyed playing with in my youth and a thin body that all of this was placed on. But she just looked…..different. Her youthful glow was gone. And once that “glow” is gone it can lower a woman’s SMV drastically. I spoke to her recently, and instead of watching my words and trying to overgame like in the past I ended up not caring what I said, because I honestly didn’t care what I said. She used to be an 8, now she was like a 6.

Then it hit me – Our respective values overlapped. I’m in my late 20’s now and I’ve noticed a gradual increase in my value as I gain status and learn about game, and her value is decreasing due to aging and loss of vitality. This girl had her pick of the litter in college, but now she’s dating a fat pizza delivery guy from her hometown. Not exactly my idea of “dating up”. It’s possible that if we re-connect in a few years that she might act like the lovelorn puppy that I was at 18, while I treat her with the same disconnected aloofness that she did when we were together.

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Probably if you meet her again a few years from now, she will have become a ‘white whale’ in the literal sense too…

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Or maybe you’re just delusional? Maybe she still looks better than you and you can’t admit it. I can guarantee you wont look good forever, you’re aging like every other human being.

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Men are valued by women for more than their looks. Additionally, by their 30’s men are appreciating assets while women are depreciating assets. But thanks for the insight, “Anonymous”.

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I know a woman, now 38, successful professional career, still single. Way beyond her best, obviously. As her trusted confidant, she tells me about her various dates. Through her professional connections she still manages to date high value men who obviously have no interest in her beyond a quick shag, let alone settling down with her.

Yet she keeps stating that she dumped them because they were
boring/balding/fat/old/not rich enough/whatever.

Rationalisation at its best.

Then she had a bright idea: head to 3rd world country and marry a rich mogul. If Liz Hurley could do it, she can too.

Didn’t work out.

I remember her in her twenties in London, a hot chick, ruling the night. Fell in love once with (and wanted to marry) a typical bad boy who unceremoniously dumped her.

She is considering artificial insemination as this stage. And even that might not work at her age.

She’s literally going insane.

Still, she admits it, with the heartfelt regret of a life wasted: “I’ve never thought I’d end up alone”.

Sad really.

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The sad thing is she is in the minority of people her age. Most wymen today raised on feminism will end up in her situation. I shudder to think at the societal problems that will cause.

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It’s hard to say whether she is minority. I find that single 35-40 yo women somehow manage to make themselves invisible, in the sense that they conscientiously take themselves out of the mating market, hence conveying the impression that they might be in a relationship.

But I believe there is a lot of her kind in UK/Germany/Scandinavia/US, they just don’t brag about it.

A friend of hers, equally successful, settled for an unemployed carpenter raising two kids on his own. It was that or complete clinical insanity by the time she hits 40.

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Long term, the sexual marketplace inverts. Instead of lots of single aged 20-30, there is a majority of single women aged 40-60. Not that many men are interested in single, spinster/divorced women aged 55 though.

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I’d add that the feminist view of “never good enough,” or “career first, man second,” has bred the trendy increase in bisexuality among females as well.

If a man isn’t perfect price charming but with bad boy mysteriousness, they can always drown their tears dying away muff diving with dildos and vibrators until they retire.

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There is a bazillion of these bitches around
The chicken(of women’s lib), are coming home to roost.

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I also have to say that Facebook can be disappointing when first befriending a girl. The girls I meet are usually between the ages of 24-27 and of course the first thing that attracts me to them is their looks. But if a girl friends me on Facebook and I look back at her photos from college? Good Lord, there’s no comparison – The 20 year old version of her will ALWAYS look better than the current version of her (Unless she was fat at 20 and lost the excess weight between then and now).

While I agree with Roosh about a girl’s downfall beginning at 25 and the Wall hitting at 35, I have to say there’s one other step there – The slowing of the metabolism at between 21 and 23. Most girls can maintain a thin frame in their teen years with no effort at all. But during college all the bad food and alcohol, mixed with natural aging, begins to take its toll as most girls begin to gain some extra pounds. If they never exercised in their lives then chances are you can’t teach these old dogs new tricks so they’ll just learn to live with their excess girth (Or write thinkpieces about how “big is beautiful”). Then 25 is when the wrinkes start developing and the “youthful glow” goes away. And then 35 is when they stat becoming completely invisible

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Roosh Roosh…
Are chicks like these the reality on the street in EE?
http://www.loveme.com/women/info153364.htm

http://www.loveme.com/women/update.htm

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Not in Poland lol.

In Moscow you can get girls like that, but only with tight game.

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Game is irrelevant in Moscow. Money, and only money, will get you quality girls.

Also forget weekend trips, they are suboptimal. You need lengthy stays. Roosh is doing it correctly by pitching his tent locally for a few months, although as I said in a previous, I’d have headed further east.

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You’re asking if photoshopped photos are reality?

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Maybe women with poor personalities and lower frequency emotions age faster because there’s no inner beauty to shine from within once their looks begin to fade.

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The reason they age so badly is a life of whoring around, taking in fluids and pathogens from countless different people. It gives them that worn down look that prostitutes have.

A Western girl lives a life that is practically identical to that of a prostitute. She has destroyed herself physically and mentally. And in her late 20s all you have left is a deeply damaged catastrophe to be had only by the lowest-value idiots that simply don’t know any better.

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Men age like wine, women like milk.

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I’ll play your game: A man is as old as the function of his penis. The half life of a man is 5 years. A man is as much worth as the amount of hair on his head. Women may age like milk, but milk doesn’t need Viagra. Tick-Tock, Wake Up Cock. You’re just a man, dude.

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So, ever hear of Taidje Khan, also known as
Yul Brynner?

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You can talk a lot of bullshit, but it still doesn’t make it true. Who are you trying to convince here?

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On average and as a whole, older women cannot hold half a candle against older men when it comes to attract the much younger members of their opposite sex. Rarely if ever does any man subscribe to the ludicrous concept of ‘age-appropriate dating/fucking’ why? Because it would only deny them their true potential and they don’t find older women attractive at all.

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As a younger woman I don’t find older men attractive. At all. I know a 23 year old who dates a man in his 40s coz he has money and status, but she brags about regularly getting her sexual satisfaction from guys in their 20s. And her older boyfriend has no idea. So if you don’t care uf a woman is using you and/or cheating on you, then whatever.

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LOL , as long as I got what I paid for then any woman I previously fucked can fuck the whole hommies in the ghetto for all I care!

We can not forbid prostitutes from soliciting other Johns now can we?

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you don’t think that older guy with a lot of options isn’t messing around those younger women as well ? he is cause he has a lot of options which is what guys with a lot of options do

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Roosh, what about Asian women? Out of all races they age the best and hold up the longest.

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Japan

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Age best?!? lol, I’ve been to south east aria and lived in Japan and South Korea, Trust me there is next to NO SUCH THING as a good looking 35+ Asian woman. They exist, but are as common as the odd Lambo Gallardo sighting back in the US. When witnessed, well worth exclaiming the experience.

I find the best Asian women are those who are mixed, preferably with black or latin…although those mixed with European stock can be just as nice.

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I’ve been to those countries too (and a few others in SEA) and my take is the opposite – there are MANY good looking 35+ Asian women. That being said, there are hardly any good looking 45+ Asian women. The Asian wall seems to be around the age of 40, whereas for western women it’s around 29.

Keep in mind that Asian women also look way younger than the western norm. So perhaps all those ugly “35” year olds you saw were really 45+.

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I had a female boss in 2004 who was something of a sexual fantasy at 27. Around the office we (secretly) called her The Babe. We fell out of touch. Just saw her pic on Twitter. Her new nickname: The Hag. Can’t believe anyone could age so badly. Must be stress and urban living.

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She was a whore to the working world

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Also, don’t you guys love it, if you are 30+, when you meet a-still-single
old flame, after a quick chit chat she drops the inevitable
“ . .you did rather well for yourself. So.. are you seeing someone”,
“yeah, a 22 yo Russian, she can’t keep her hands off me”,
“geez, she could be your daughter, she’s all legs and no brain I guess”,
“Bye Vicky, was nice seeing you”.

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I laughed out loud, buddy. Thanks!

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I’d clap for the brilliance of this article. But I know clapping is no longer allowed. Therefore, I will use “jazz hands.”

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So much truth. I live near a HS (also a beach) and on days off I venture out to the local sandwich place for a hero (hoagie). The eye fucks I get from some of the girls is incredible. These are HS girls, mind you, and I’m 39; look like I’m in my late 20’s early 30’s. The women I went to HS with and/or my age: misshapen bodies, wrinkles everywhere, looking 5-10 years older. Smoking and heavy drinking is bad on women as well.

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They don’t age well at all. Masculinity is not tied to age. Feminine beauty is. The attitude women have for feminine beauty is what adds to what makes them so unattractive. Especially an unwed woman in her late 30’s and forties.

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Someone one asked Roosh what he will do to attract women when he gets old and he replied $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Men who use money to attract girls reinforce the behavior of the girls most of you complain about. No they didn’t start it as yes many hot young women seek men for economic reasons. Why? Because they can. It make these women bitchy, vain, and see men merely as a means to an end rather than an actual human being, which pisses off men who are rejected by them to in turn see these women as less than human. Then when said women hit the wall its like karma right?

How many of you have said to your mothers: Mom, you hit the wall, you are one ugly old bag, good luck finding a man. How many of you have said anything similar to this to women in your life whom you actually love, and who loves you?

Many of you talk about the need eliminate current female gender roles.. How about eliminating the sugar daddy role?

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There is no reinforcing the behavior of the girls attracting them with money. That was already there as an unlearned characteristic. Women never had the capacity to see men as human beings. (abortion is legal you know) All women need to be and should be treated as worthless cunts except for relatives.

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Your mother must be proud. Or maybe you have mommy issues and that’s why you hate women. Or maybe you’re gay and you resent women for it. In any case, you sound like a real peach.

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Uh, okay…

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I am sort of lost here, greyghost. I understand your words, but worthless cunts have relatives, too. So, I do not except relatives. Perhaps the women in your family are worth more than mine?

I am trying to think about my female relatives? My dad’s sisters, all dead, were good women. But, my sisters and nieces? All worthless cunts.

My wife’s kinfolk here in rural Mexico, all are fantastic women of the highest quality. As excellent as my dad’s sisters were.

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My relatives are worth more to me than yours. The method to the madness is that females run wild with the idea they are special for being female period. That is our failing as men projecting virtue on women for being women. When they are not special women always behave civil for some reason. Male family members starting with her husband need to be her only male source of comfort and relief from reality. So to me your daughter is a worthless cunt. She will need to go see her husband or you her father. If she knew that was the case she would be a pretty good wife and daughter and it wouldn’t violate the nature of women one bit. Out of pure wicked selfishness she would leave you with good feelings about her. Masculine leadership does that because in the short term I look like the asshole. I’m a husband and father what else is new.

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Okay I got it. I was lost because you don’t make much sense. The only part I understand is I think you are saying MAN FAULT!

This idea that men, real men like you, of course, not losers like me, can control ornery women is part of a major Christian heresy which is destroying the USA, just as Gibbons says it destroyed the Roman Empire.

Your posting would make more sense if I knew English is a second language for you.

Plus it takes considerable intestinal fortitude to tell a man you don’t know that his daughter who you also don’t know is a worthless cunt. My youngest daughter is actually an excellent woman. She is a true submissive Christian wife, not a trained rat but a creative happy mother and wife. Yes, I “hand-raised” her and she is one of the happiest women I know.

She has been married 18 years, and both she and her husband say they have never had one angry quarrel.

But, though I worked hard to teach her how to be a good and happy wife, I can take no credit. She made the decision, just as your female relatives allegedly made a decision to be worthwhile women. Like most men you want to assume credit for it? Or, perhaps I misunderstand you.

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Telling a man his daughter is a worthless cunt takes balls and is not necessary. It is a good mind set for every man to have. That leaves you to be the one that gives her the values and ideas she needs for her hypergamy. As you said with your own daughter you raised her and also the environment in Mexico the choices she made gave her the most real joy in her life. That influence you had was huge.
The credit for a well behaved woman is all of that woman’s.

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Your second paragraph is ridiculous, how you are trying to push through some unclear point, by all means, with totally surreal example.
No reason to tell my mother ‘good luck finding a man’, she is with my father, has been 45 years together now.
With lifelong commitment to and from good husband one can hit the wall with grace.

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Nice article Roosh, and one that will surely piss off the feminists – congratulations. You really speak the truth here, which they can’t accept – that riding the carousel makes it virtually impossible for a female to end up being a woman that has value as a wife and mother. Women don’t care if you have pumped lots of other women before (in fact it makes them want you more), but men sure as hell don’t want to wife up a ‘reformed’ carousel rider and make her the mother of their children. That is why we are facing an epidemic of washed up 30 something single career gals…

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“that riding the carousel makes it virtually impossible for a female to end up being a woman that has value as a wife and mother.” True and I’ve seen this play out many times. Women who were sluts when they were younger seem to actually age worse (probably all the late night bar hopping and lack of proper sleep).

“Women don’t care if you have pumped lots of other women before (in fact it makes them want you more)”. Many women who aren’t sluts actually try to avoid men who’ve sleep with lots of women, because most of those kinds of guys are players, and decent non slutty women typically avoid players.

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It’s been a while since anyone has used the phrase, Thousand Cock Stare, to describe the look on the face of American Women.

As much as I hate to agree with Genie on anything, yes, there are good women who want nothing to do with players. I met one once years ago…

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I’ve met more than my fair share of those women, who say (and I believe them) that they want nothing to do with players. But here’s the ticket – most of those same women would, in a heartbeat, go with a guy who *used* to be a player but now wants to live a monogamous life – provided he also meets her other requirements. The “player past” can easily be forgiven. I know, as I’ve been there.

But reverse the sexes and it doesn’t work. Men of true value would never wife up a reformed carousel rider.

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Women DO care if you’ve been a male slut. Some of us don’t feel like dying of cervical cancer because you are carrying the HPV virus that causes it.

This idea that casual sex doesn’t affect men’s health makes me think no one on this forum understands science.

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This article is very true, and sad really. The only other thing I’ll add is, young women these days aren’t much of an alternative. They are simply unbearable personality wise. Vain, narcissistic, slutty, with ridiculous tattoos and piercings (especially those gross bull bar ones!), and they are smart phone zombies addicted to bloody facebook and instagram – massive turn off!

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Have you also noticed the rise in the hoop piercings in the nose? WTF, right?

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Yep. They can’t seriously think they look good, can they? Unfortunately there has been a very sharp rise in the number of young girls in their 20s getting this monstrosity in Australia.. it makes a grown man want to cry. Why????

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I want to reproduce with them all

Culture of Critique is good

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I recently saw a pic of Pam Anderson. Though fit, she is a middle aged woman now! Seems like only yesterday when many pegged her as the sexiest woman in the world. Now she is just your average suburban mom. Thank God I am a man!

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Middle aged woman?

Pam Anderson looks like a busted streetwalker ho now, not even her plastic surgery can disguise it.

I’m not hating on her, because she was hot well into her 30s and was basically what every young guy in my generation had as their nr. 1 sexiest girl at the time.

Pamela in her twenties was the hottest bitch probably on TV ever.

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She looks like a demon spawn from hell.

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Ye judgement be harsh but fair, yaaarhhhh!!!!

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The last stanza of the poem “To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time” by Robert Herrick (1591 – 1674):

“Then be not coy, but use your time,
And, while ye may, go marry;
For, having lost but once your prime,
You may forever tarry.”

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Timely reminder. Excellent piece. Thank you.

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White women age faster than black, Asian or Latino women. The biggest mistakes their make in destroying their beauty is by smoking, drinking alcohol in excess, sunbathing and not eating fruits and vegetables to protect their skin.

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Asian women age the best IMO. I’ve seen 35 y.o. Asian women that look 19 & Black men age quite well too. I know 65 y.o. black men that look great.

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the only women who age well are asians but its hard to find an attractive asian woman in America. Black and latina women age no differently than white women and I live in a mostly hispanic area so I should know. They usually get fat and gross over 30 with a very small percentage who look good over 30.

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One thing that the E.E. lovers like myself will notice is that the Slavic girls start to get their shit together rite at about the age of 25 & try to lock a man down around this time. They still have some time before 30…but after college & the parties, 25 is the magic number I assure you. It’s the culture
The culture in the USA has Yankee women partying, drinking & as sassy as ever still) at the age of 35 when all of their physical “leverage” has disappeared. However, they still get attention from ussy beggars forced to “date down”
I remember being 22 & thinking how cool I was banging a 39 y.o. in West Omaha & how much I loved cougars back then. Even at 27 I was still kinda like this but mostly dating girls the same age as me. But the truth is your reward in life for being a 30+ y.o. single man (w/o kids) is that you can flip the 180 & turn around & date girls 19-25 no problem at all….& I gotta tell ya, the days of the cougar hunt is long over. Long over…& I couldn’t be happier ignoring unsavory women that are 30+. Gross, dude.

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You have it wrong.

Most slavic girls, at least the Russian ones, marry earlier, way before 25. Usually a childhood sweetheart or a fellow student or whoever. Once they’ve left university and got a job their chances go down drastically.

Slavic men are not dumb. They know what these girls have been up to, up until 25. Slavic men have so huge a choice of 18-22 yo willing to marry men up to 40 that it doesn’t make sense to consider anything 25+ (and a used up whore at that). Unless they are deadbeat and can’t pick up anything younger.

In my experience, those women between 25-30 who still manage to catch a man almost have to bribe him and most of them marry down.

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Rubbish.Maybe village or small town girls,but in large cities majority of girls I know have not married by their 30.Or got divorced quickly and still wondering.

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Not sure what point exactly your are contesting.

My contention is that 1) it is hard for 25-30 women to get married on their terms in Russia and most of them marry down when they do and 2 ) that the good/smart ones are already married by the time they hit 25.

Your statement about large cities being full of independent women still wandering about does not contradict any of the above.

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What about Black women they don’t seem to age at all at least a majority of them, I know my friends mom who looks like she is in her 30’s and was shocked to find out she recently turned 60…

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The same rules apply with black women the only exception are if they rarely drink dont smoke and have a good lifestyle. I remember a black girl in university I used to like but was never man enough to tell her, ended up in the friend zone role the clock forward a year after university see got herself pregnant I saw her recent photo on FB and man she looked tired, her ageing tripled.

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the problem with black chicks is not the aging, it’s that they look shit in the first place

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Swipe through Tinder … Once you see the MAJOR differences between one that’s 25 & another that’s 30 … the proof is rite there.
I just think nature is sad in this regard.

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Just what I thought yesterday.Almost ALL 21 years olds are hot.I have not seen even one 30 years old who I would swipe right.

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It’s not only looks. Women older than 25 become tainted mentally and the insanity increases exponentially every year. By their early 30’s they are completely insane. Like bat shit crazy.

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I wouldn’t say that they aren’t responsible for how they age. The majority of women in this day and age live insanely unhealthy lifestyles. Picture yourself having cake and soda for breakfast and a big bowl of ice cream right before heading to the clubs for more cheese sticks and sugary, highly toxic, cheaply produced alcoholic beverages. Women live in entitlement and external validation for most of their fertile years.

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Somebody mentioned below that it’s not only looks.Indeed.All the girls in their 30s (30+/-3 years) I have tried to date-all of them seem to be completely mad.A lot of complex thoughts, weird “rules”, bizarre emotional struggles.Fuck this.

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I would add 30+/-3 years, without children. Motherhood gives women a sense of purpose and fulfillment in life. The childless ones seem to wander aimlessly following whatever happens to be the trend of the day while suffering wild mood swings, ultimately leading to insanity.

I’ve recently bumped into a Russian-Latvian at a friend’s do, about 27 yo, average looking with noticeable fat deposits starting to pile up.

She claimed to practice hinduism (or some other Indian religion). She was looking forward to procreate, however the “lucky” candidate should lead a hindu lifestyle before inseminating her, which includes no Alcohol or meat for 3 months beforehand and other odd stuff.

Fuck that indeed.

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Russians from Baltics are the worst scum on earth.Primitive chavvy pseudo-patriotic bigots with females who are the white version of negro females.High divorce rates,single mothery and violent family dramas. Pretty much typical provincial russian women but multiplied by 2.Avoid at all costs!Always and everywhere.

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“Russians from Baltics are the worst scum on earth.Primitive chavvy pseudo-patriotic bigots and their women are the white version of negro females.High divorce rates,single mothery and violent family dramas.
Lots of gold digging when a beta comes along.Pretty much typical provincial russian women but multiplied by 2.Avoid at all costs!Always and everywhere.”

Ah, the Baltic states, full of racist Nazis who hate Russians and who’ve made a bad bet siding up with NATO. If they were wise they’d have sold their border regions with Russian population to Russia, and/or become neutral states, because there’s no way that NATO is going to protect them (NATO would either leave them to hang like Georgia and Ukraine, or at best, they would be nothing but the tavern in a bar fight).

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Get the f out of here with your russian propaganda.Tell it to you babushka or that fat girlfriend you buy flowers on 8 of March.And btw Ukraine is a functioning state with a democratic government, which has a standard of living on par with Russia (with all its natural reserves).Looking back on economic potential it’s Russia which is a failed state not Ukraine.

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Man I don’t know if I agree about the child rearing helping “their purpose” which takes away madness. I can only speak for America, I think it may preoccupy them, that the madness gets tucked away. I think the permanent chemical changes that having a child, which ultimately leads to menopause, turns them into complete intolerable psychopaths. Since the filters have been lifted, women act as they please, the insanity has bled into many households I know of…. which supports cause for divorce.. so perpetuates the cycle ofdiminishing looks, behavior, and returns on female investiture.

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A woman without a stable, strong man in her life – whether she has kids or not – is guaranteed to be nuts in some way or the other. End of story. Feminists can foam at the mouth at that assertion all they want. But there is no arguing with nature. It is women’s nature that she requires a masculine, hand to center her spirit and prevent neurosis.

Men, on the other hand, *can* maintain their sanity while remaining single, well into old age – just as long as they get laid from time to time.

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um, a minor technical point Borya. Make that “non-fuck” them.

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With Facebook and the other social media apps, it is possible to find people we haven’t heard from for years. While I notice there are nerdy guys I went to college and university with who became fine wine, I notice sour milk is far more common among women I met during that same period, from 1987 to 1993.

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Age is a indeed a cruel joke on women. Since so many men of all ages try to get with the young, hot 18-25 year old babe, women in this age group get used to the constant attention and flattery. The smart ones lock down a solid man while they are in their prime, while the less intelligent girls keep trying to trade up for that “perfect” guy whose got money, looks and charm. Its got to be a brutal wake up call when, in her late 20’s, she finds all the most desirable men are no longer interested in her – just when her standards are at their highest. Must be depressing for a girl who’s used to dating 9’s and 10’s to suddenly find the quality of men interested in her take a nosedive. Nature is a cruel beast.

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hard truth man. Glad its been said.
watch it grow viral when all the angry indian women on forneys posts swing by here

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Is this club in east europe? Are the women in question that you apeak of based in that part of the world? If so, that makes it even more depressing.

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I am from eastern europe and just over 30.All the girls of my age (from the past) are horrid.Simply horrid.Much worth thn their european peers.Russian and Ukrainian women age terribly.

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Great analogy with the flower and bonsai tree. Describes it perfectly.

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This is the reason why women should marry before they are 25

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& why men should wait until they’re at least 40 (minimum)

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I worked with a girl at a bar around 8 years ago, same age as me. Had a kid but was still fit. Easily an 8. On again off again with her baby daddy. Saw her at a concert a couple months back. Chasing guys who are barely old enough to drink, and God has she gone downhill. Desperation is now the perfume she wears, and it is not an airy smell. I chuckle.

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A lot of women over play their hand. I see it all the time – thank heavens I’m a man… The reason I have 25 as the limit for women in my core group is that is when they start to fall hard – and get desperate.

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Would most of the fast aging in these
women be more due to diet and life style choices? Three years is a
short time but if they are going out clubbing (staying out late and
getting bad sleep habits), drinking a lot alcohol (Not to mention the
high sugar) and sometimes having bad food after drinking like
McDonald, let alone anything else in their lives such.

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it’s the diet. raw food diets slow down aging.