Women Are Abusive When Not Socially Constrained

Anyone who believes women are kind, compassionate, and good-hearted has simply not interacted with enough of them. Anyone who believes that women need extra protections from men have not seen enough of their true nature to understand that it would be more fitting for men to receive protections from women instead. Out of all my dealings with people as an adult, the most cruel and heartless encounters came from the hands of women, not men. I am beginning to wonder if all my experiences with them in my adult life is equivalent to having an abusive stepmother as a child.

In what type of settings do most normal men interact with women? When they are young, it is school, seeing the same girls every day in class. They get older and it becomes work. They also meet other females through friends or they deal with women who serve them their daily coffee at Starbucks. These settings hide a woman’s true nature since she sees these men repeatedly. Having a meltdown at work or at school against a certain man may lower a girl’s social value or get her shunned from that specific environment. Lying or gossiping about a man may fracture her other relationships. The female Starbucks employee can’t treat you bad since she needs a weekly paycheck. In these places, even if a woman hates your guts, there are social restraints that prevent her from unleashing her full fury upon you. She won’t go nuclear unless she feels threatened.

It’s not hard to imagine that this was true in tribal times when humans lived in communities of less than 250 people. Even if a girl despised you, she had to keep a friendly public face for the good of the tribe. This would apply if she was your wife as well, since pissing you off too much for undue cause may put her out on her ass. The reason why women evolved to be experts at passive-aggressiveness and incessant whining is likely because they could never fully confront the objects of their derision.

If having a full meltdown against a man in the past would hurt her survivability by decreasing the chance that a man would stay and provide for her, it only makes sense that she would give a veneer or politeness to maintain good relations with the men around her. Whether you want to argue that this veneer was fake or not, it undoubtedly improved the behavior of women and therefore the happiness of men who dealt with them.

That veneer is now being taken off. More than ever, men are interacting with women who are not part of her “tribe.” Thanks to internet dating sites and game, whereby men approach women he doesn’t know, men are establishing more connections with women he doesn’t see in work, school, or in an established social circle. With these types of “cold” approaches, women are no longer constrained by social etiquette or regular courtesy to be nice to someone they don’t like, and she can now act in a way she really wants to these men without any fear of having her social reputation or livelihood ruined. It is this very behavior they display to men who they don’t have social connections with that reveal how they truly want to act, and unfortunately it’s not pretty.

What we see in 2014 is a disaster in the behavior of women, a race to the bottom on how cruel, flippant, and abusive women can become. Women renege on their commitments without giving advance notice or stand men up outright. They use profanity to disrespect men who have been respectful to them. They resort to physical violence against men who said something mild they disagreed with. They lie and fail to disclose their sexually transmitted diseases. They disappear completely without notice. If you let them, they’ll attempt to treat you like a servant who is supposed to be at her beck and call.

It’s not hard to see that if all social restraints on a woman is removed, her natural instinct will lack all character, respect, or anything resembling the good-natured behavior she would display within her social group. She becomes the evil stepmother. And you—the man hitting her up on Tinder or the man approaching her in the club—is the recipient of her abuse in the hopes of getting laid. All her negative energy and flaws can be safely unleashed upon the man who has no connection with her other social groups. A fast simulation of this behavior would be if you approached a group of four girls in a nightclub with a gentle opening line. Their scornful behavior to you, which they can deliver so easily without premeditated thought, is a woman’s true behavioral instinct.

A site called Signs Of Emotional Abuse might as well be titled Qualities Of A Typical Western Woman. I grabbed a few of the signs and reworded them to include “most women.” Consider the last few dozen girls you cold approached. Would you say the following list is more than 50% accurate in describing their behavior?

  • Most women make you feel as though they are always right
  • Most women give disapproving, dismissive, contemptuous, or condescending looks, comments, and behavior
  • Most women make excuses for their behavior or tend to blame others or circumstances for their mistakes
  • Most women have trouble apologizing
  • Most women regularly ridicule, dismiss, disregard your opinions, thoughts, suggestions, and feelings
  • Most women constantly correct or chastise you because your behavior is “inappropriate”
  • Most women treat you as though you are inferior to them
  • Most women accuse you of something contrived in their own minds when you know it isn’t true
  • Most women are unable to laugh at themselves
  • Most women do not want to meet your basic needs or use neglect or abandonment as punishment
  • Most women play the victim to deflect blame onto you instead of taking responsibility for their actions and attitudes
  • Most women do not notice or care how you feel
  • Most women do not show empathy or ask questions to gather information

I hope that I have successfully presented the case that women you cold approach will abuse you in your quest to get laid. It’s part of the game, and sadly for us, it affects our own brain in a negative manner, preventing us from seeing women as compassionate creatures while adding a justifiable jaded shell to our own development as men. Game puts men closer to understanding a woman’s true nature because it is only the man who runs game that can see what women are truly like, but this great truth comes at a price of having to receive and process the abuse that women give.

I had a date scheduled with a girl not long ago. I showed up at the appointed time and waited for her. After ten minutes passed and I didn’t see her, I texted her. She replied, “Didn’t you get my text message this morning?” Of course I didn’t, and my experience immediately told me the score: I was being stood up. Did I do her any harm to deserve this? Did I treat her wrong in order for her to waste my time? I didn’t, but my only crime was that she wasn’t attracted to me enough, and so she could act in any way she wished and not feel one ounce of remorse for doing so.

Thankfully there is a way to receive less abuse from women. There is a way to get flaked on less and experience less attitude. Make her strongly attracted to you. Attraction is the only way to restrain a woman’s true nature from blowing up in our faces, from turning her into the evil stepmother. When a woman is attracted to us, she acts on her best behavior, fearful that anything less will cause us to leave. Optimize your appearance so it’s the best it can be and sharpen your game so that it’s the most potent. It won’t work all the time, but it’s still the best tool we have to getting the best out of a woman while minimizing the worst, especially if you’re unable to meet the woman you want through your existing social connections.

There is a catch 22 in this: the only way to have good game is to approach a lot of women, but if you’re approaching a lot of women with beginner game, you’re surely to receive tons of abuse. This suggests that we’ve entered the age of abuse, where men of today will have to put up with more bullshit and nonsense than men of yesterday who didn’t have to approach women in person or on the internet in order to have a normal sex life. It would be nice if we can marry our neighbor’s 18-year-old virgin daughter and never have to do an approach in our lives, but those days are gone and never coming back. We don’t have much choice but to steel ourselves against the abuse we are surely to receive, all because we want to achieve heterosexual intimacy.

I can’t help but wonder how much this type of behavior has affected my brain compared to that of my father, who never had to experience much of this, but we all live in a different age than our male ancestors, and must go through certain hardships that they didn’t. I want a healthy sex life with attractive women so this is what I must endure to get it. A young boy comes up with coping mechanisms so he can survive the abuse of his stepmother, and we will have to do the same when dealing with women we want to have sex with. We definitely can’t change a woman’s nature, but we can present ourselves to them in a way that minimizes its most negative components.

Read Next: The True Nature Of Women


  1. Inside UoM October 20, 2014 at 9:30 am

    The shit men go through to get laid is a growing list. I wonder when there’ll be a time when guys will stop this all. I know the male sex drive is strong, but will there be a point where this simply won’t be worth it anymore?

    1. lifeuniverse42 October 20, 2014 at 9:51 am

      MGTOW is the current reply for people who don’t care anymore. If your listening well you hear all the “Where are all the good men?” Well they are gone never to come back with the good woman or alone as they see fit.

      We can say that we are starting to hit that point in time. Look how many escort there is everywhere, the all time high for sexual tourism or love traveller… Man are tired of all the shit.

      1. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:27 pm

        I don’t think of MGTOW as negative, and MGTOWs can still get laid. But you can only go your own way for so long before you need the society again. MGTOW is admitting the society has collapsed and that there is no solution to it. But it is not in itself a solution, so I think there has to be another way – because this shit is GLOBAL in scope.

      2. TyKo Steamboat October 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm

        Exactly. MGTOW can still be with women. Date them & enjoy them. Just DON’T marry them or impregnate them or spend too much money on them. Simple as that. No one can force you into marriage, no one an control your seed or wallet except for you yourself.
        1.) No need to marry
        2.) Don’t spray inside of females (pull-out…ready, aim, fire)
        3.) Don’t buy stupid crap you don’t (or she doesn’t) need
        Bonus notes: Only date a Yankee woman for 2-6 months or go for a nice Slavic girl if you’re older than 40 & hunting for an LTR.

      3. vlad02 October 22, 2014 at 2:45 pm

        Since you bring up Slavic girls….Ive been learning Russian, is there a big difference between ‘slavic’ girls from the Balkans vs Russian girls or are they basically the same?

      4. TyKo Steamboat October 22, 2014 at 3:00 pm

        There are big differences, yes.

        For example, Lviv & Kyiv are both in Ukraine & I would say there are differences in the girls from just those 2 cities.

        Another sample of examples would be Montreal vs. Torono girls. You’d think you were in a different world in a comparison there. …. or Los Angeles girls vs. girls from the East Coast, (NYC, Philadelphia, ect.)

      5. Daniel Smith October 24, 2014 at 6:19 am

        how do u make it look plausible to them I agree that u don’t wanna waste time bt if she catches on (to your not spending too much) then u have no chance of getting ya dick wet

      6. prepz October 20, 2014 at 11:01 pm

        “I don’t pay them for sex, I pay for them to leave.”
        Charlie Sheen

        Ah, Mr. Sheen. Is he a MGTOW, or just a genius?

      7. TyKo Steamboat October 20, 2014 at 11:30 pm

        Mr. Sheen has been married 3 times, engaged 5 times & has 5 children.

        In January 1990, Sheen accidentally shot his fiancee, Kelly Preston, in the arm.

        He had kids with Denise Richards & then she proceeded to make his life a living hell.
        He then bought a 100,000$ engagement ring for a porn star.

      8. Michael Teal October 21, 2014 at 4:40 am

        Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Sheen’s a broken man, lets accept the wisdom in his quote and leave his coke-riddled ass at that.

      9. Chips In Salsa October 21, 2014 at 9:32 pm

        Im not sure that cool saying apples here.

      10. Nick October 23, 2014 at 4:12 am

        How many cold approaches have you done this week? In your life?

      11. Inner West November 5, 2014 at 7:54 pm

        Blame the assholes for making women that way and hold them accountable because I do the same with my gender.

      12. Jon December 15, 2014 at 4:44 pm

        Checkout “The Beautiful Ones” by John Calhoun. Fascinating!

    2. ChimpGod October 20, 2014 at 10:04 am

      You can’t win dude.. Until they invent a cyborg that looks, and feels like a woman.. Her vagina of course.. It’s going to be one thing after another.

      1. Nick Jabba October 20, 2014 at 10:17 am

        The fuckbot is just a better pocket pussy. Unfortunately men will always crave the intimacy of a real woman.

      2. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:51 pm

        I sometimes wonder if the future of the west in 20 years is to be like Brazil/India, but worse. There is no poosey for many men due to lack of cash, and the fact that the men outnumber the women (most immigrants to the west these days are male).

      3. Der Mac October 21, 2014 at 3:48 am

        Now this is somebody who understands the bigger play The Man is trying to pull (albeit one of your examples, Brazil has more women than men as in EE, as I recall)

      4. 'Reality' Doug October 20, 2014 at 5:08 pm

        No we don’t, just a real woman’s body, which is what the cyborg =/= fuckbot is. Hell, you can put whatever personality you want in a cyborg. I made my case with Utopia 2050. The difference between mechanical pocket pussy and genetically real propery pussy is everything.

    3. Conrad Stonebanks October 20, 2014 at 10:30 am

      “I know the male sex drive is strong, but will there be a point where this simply won’t be worth it anymore?”

      Males are already reacting to these sexual market place pressures in different ways. Some go lone wolf and spin plates. Some go MGTOW. Some respond by mentally cordoning off their sex drives and become some kind of modern eunuch. These kind of men typically head a woman’s troupe of beta orbiters and usually are vocal male feminists. Others become gay.

      1. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:20 pm

        I did notice british white guys nowadays taking less female shit (a lot of them, anyways). I initially thought they were being shy and un-alpha, then I realised that I was being stupid (hey, it happens) and that they had the right attitude, as white women these days suffer from damaged princess syndrome, and that they fuck over their men. Unfortunately, as I posted below, there has been a recent case in britain where a guy who had dated a woman for there years was forced to hand over close to 45 000 US dollars just because he split up from her. They were not married. Co-habitation can be a dangerous thing!

      2. Tim October 20, 2014 at 5:03 pm

        The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

      3. allencraig November 21, 2014 at 1:49 pm

        Nobody “becomes” gay. You had a decent point, but you ruined it with bad examples.

    4. Daniel Ramos October 20, 2014 at 2:38 pm

      “but will there be a point where this simply won’t be worth it anymore?”

      Yes. When Men stop allowing Women to exploit our greatest weakness (the 11th digit) by choosing instead to focus on “virtual” relationships. Our greathest strength is also our greatest weakness…What makes us males is also what makes us suckers for Women who know how to manipulate us through the biological imperative (reproduction) which almost every heterosexual male is compelled by ESPECIALLY after hitting puberty.
      Women don’t get influenced by the BI until their biological clocks start ticking, whereas for us it begins shortly during/after puberty. They therefore have us at an early disadvantage and history has shown that they willfully exploit that disadvantage through every means and moment possible…if a Man allows them to, of course.

      As i said earlier, when males get tired of dealing with the Bs that most females tend to peddle in nowadays by choosing instead to engage in nothing more than virtual relationships (online communications) and in responsibility free sex (porn) then you will have the answer to your question.

      We are not far from that day…unfortunately.

    5. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      What about when they are poor as fuck, the women are fat and expect freebies, the government went psycho with surveillance and the laws became ‘you can’t look at someone on the street or else its rape’.

      Apart from the last one, many cities (or at least large parts of them) in western society have become exactly as I’ve described. And the puppet masters are working on the laws for the last one too (which women will go along with, because apparently it favours them – though this is a lie in the long run).

      Don’t you guys in Cali have some law that says that a woman must consent by saying ‘yes’ before sex every time? Never mind killing the mood, it will eventually become ‘she must say yes just before you cum’ and then ‘all sex is rape’. Creeping incrementalism. We are gradually being made into slaves by economics and laws, and this process will complete in the next decade in the west. Feminism is a prime factor feeding this, and as ROK’s tattoo article shows, there are a lot of angry fat brainwashed beatches out there.

      1. Dildo Baggins October 20, 2014 at 10:44 pm

        The Yes means Yes law is in the testing stage right now, only on college campuses. Not sure if the law has even rolled out yet. It already looks Orwellian though.

      2. Jams October 23, 2014 at 9:35 pm

        Yes, the law is in effect now. Only in college campuses. I see it, however, becoming California law in a few years. Then it’s time to leave California. When it spreads to all of the land, well, then it’s time to leave the US.

      3. Der Mac October 21, 2014 at 3:55 am

        California is so royally screwed-up socially. One angle that I’ve yet to read from Roosh, et. al., is that the latest waves of feminist crap began in, and continue to be rolled out of, California. Political correctness at large seeps out of there, taking all forms including the most influential: television.

    6. splooge October 20, 2014 at 10:27 pm

      ya and women will still complain where are the men or how come guys arent approaching me even though they complain of street harassment its like fuck bitch you start approaching least you dont wind up in jail or get beaten up or socially shamed if you mess up.
      but the point of society is to put away our dont give f menrality and thinking for ourselves is to improve living standards. like whats to stop us hoing rapin n pillagin like back in the day. our morals and society. we supress it make like life better and civil. an women have to do their part by being supportive n patient. but they are not upholdin their bargain but expect us to hold ours by restraining our impulses and guareente her safety so she can be impulsive an self interested.
      we are expected to be machines or brain dead worker bees for those fat pixie cut queens.

    7. Baker October 21, 2014 at 11:48 am

      Here in Sweden where man-hating feminism and sex-negative feminism are the ruling forces of state and society, the majority of men, single and married, do not remember when was the last time they had sex. Many are realizing that it is no longer worth it and are just walking away. Apart from the top 10% of the male population, sex for us 90% has become out of the question. Even prostitution is unavailable and criminalized here.

      1. splooge October 21, 2014 at 5:20 pm

        ya must be brutal there no wonder swedish men are more likely to get a thai bride then other nation. hell according to darndivorce sweden has highest divorce rate thanx to that lagam mindset. plus i dont trust that rape epidemic either becasue you dont hear migrants doing it say uk or france. rape law is so broad that the girl can accuse you at anytime and your screwed. sex without condom its rape. pull amove she didnt like its rape do something to piss her off well shell say she felt raped. how does sweden not havd ther own mra magtow or redpill. curious are most men virgins there as a result?

      2. Baker October 22, 2014 at 2:00 am

        True. Sweden has the highest rate of divorce in the world and the highest rate of relationship breakup in the world. The challenge in any relationship is how long can a man last being treated like a slave and not getting any sex. Apart from the top 10% of men, sex for the rest of us 90% is a distant dream especially when escorts are not available and buying sex leads to one year in jail. Yes most young men are virgins here and the vast majority are bluepill to the bone brainwashed by the educational system, the media and their mothers. Women are not only put on pedestals, they’re considered the “better and smarter” gender. When it comes to rape, there are about 3 or 4 violent rapes per year in the whole country. The remaining 36500 rapes are: “I changed my mind rape” “my husband touched my thigh at night rape” “I regret having sex with him rape” etc… I agree with you that immigrants are just used as a scapegoat as the vast majority of them are sex-deprived and bluepill just like the rest. I was bluepill before but now I travel a lot and I see other countries which do not indoctrinate their children at schools to hate heterosexual men. I have been in so many countries and confirm that Sweden is the most heterosexual men hostile country in the world. That sexually liberated country of the 60s has become the extreme opposite.

      3. Tom Dane December 12, 2014 at 8:36 pm

        “buying sex leads to one year in jail.

        W00t !

      4. Svensk Varg October 24, 2014 at 7:27 pm

        We do have red pill sites.

    8. Jake Karsher October 23, 2014 at 8:17 am

      That’s a very good question. We have MGTOW, but it is limited to the refusal of marriage. MGTOW guys don’t reject relationships, they just don’t actively pursue them.
      We mens are hardwired to chase and get women. The survival of the specie depends on it. So i can see a little group of enlightened and politically aware people just stop and don’t try to approach women anymore, but in a large scale, that’s like trying to empty an ocean with a spoon. Instead of having 100 men matching her on Tinder, your average girl will have 95. That’s not going to change anything.

      The curse of men is that we are just unable to retract from this bullshit on a collective scale. We are not capable to act as a unit in an era of individualism. And what’s more individual than getting the girl ?

    9. A Prophet October 25, 2014 at 2:30 am

      I started reading this article thinking “Yeah women are pretty awful toward men they don’t know”.

      And then I started tallying up the behavior of men I see in bars toward women they don’t know either.

      And then I said “Wow men are pretty awful toward women they don’t know”.

      And then I realized women do it to women they don’t know and men do it to men they don’t know.

      And then I said “Wow people are pretty awful toward people they don’t know”.

      But I guess we’re all going to go cry in a corner together about how mean women are and cut off our dicks for solidarity.

      1. bavieca October 31, 2014 at 3:55 pm

        ‘And then I said “Wow men are pretty awful toward women they don’t know”.’

        heterosexual men will be nice towards the beautiful women they don’t know. but towards ugly women those men don’t know? not so much or even not at all.

    10. nugganu November 1, 2014 at 9:12 am

      Why do you think strip clubs are always so packed?

    11. allencraig November 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm

      Yes, when you turn 45.

    12. MentalKenny January 3, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      I moved to opiates and occasional hookers, I can’t be around women anymore I struggle to contain homicidal instincts, really feel like strangling them. I stay away from them, only shag a whore when I really feel the need for it. I respect prossies a lot more than normal girls, I feel they are more honest about their true nature

    13. fernsoles January 23, 2016 at 3:19 pm


  2. Dr Caveman October 20, 2014 at 10:03 am

    “I can’t help but wonder how much this type of behavior has affected my brain compared to that of my father, who never had to experience much of this,”

    This is an interesting question, and I think that the ability to deal with it is going to divide future men into two populations that will drift gradually apart.

    One group will sequester themselves from women and wrap themselves in a safe coccoon where their only interaction with women are rejection free, is porn and escorts.

    The second group will find ways to minimize the impact that bad behavior has and reap the rewards, even train women to behave better. The second option is very rewarding – I am currently taming a spoiled party girl to behave in a respectful way and she is loving every second of it

    1. Visionquest October 20, 2014 at 12:28 pm

      ” I am currently taming a spoiled party girl, teaching her behave in a respectful way and she is loving every second of it”

      Good luck with that.

      1. Elroy October 20, 2014 at 12:35 pm

        Someone needs to in ent some too lev mind control methods that make chicks eat out of our hands. That’s the ticket not mgtow, becomin bitter, withdrawing into a porn and pizza cocoon, etc.

      2. Ron October 29, 2014 at 5:55 pm

        They already have. Its called Pimpin! And for those of us who think that that shouldn’t be done to a lady, must realize that women are not brought up to be ladies anymore, but more like whore. So act accordingly!

      3. GRock October 20, 2014 at 1:41 pm

        Temporary enlightenment for him, and submission for her she craves. Tends to wane after a while of doing so. No changing a slut once they cross the line. Their end mission is to land that beta provider, everything else will be written off as “What happens in Vegas stays there..” YOLO secrecy.

    2. ChimpGod October 20, 2014 at 9:25 pm

      I bet she is thinking, “I grow weary of this game.. time to Swag420YOLO BITCHES!” That is a fucking disaster waiting to strike you like a cobra.. I bet you get home one day and she has a bunch of Rappers wearing doo rags and gold chains, all sweating up on that pussy, with a dick in every hole, while she is drinking , while having a pair of angel wings tattooed on her back, or getting a sleeve on her arm, because its “so fucking cool”.

      1. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 10:42 pm

        No, it’s only you guys who spend all this time fantasizing about big black cocks.

      2. ChimpGod October 21, 2014 at 11:53 pm

        Where did you get “big black cocks” from? Are you implying that the foreamentioned rappers are black? Or are you truly the one who is craving black dick ? Looks like we have another follower who wants you to write “Gay Bang”, Roosh.. with a chapter on how to seduce African American males.

      3. Elven King March 25, 2015 at 9:56 am


  3. dontrecycle October 20, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Went out this weekend both Fri & Sat. great time. got 3 numbers at night game and 1 at lunch. Wasn’t working too hard, just enjoying my time out with friends, and wasn’t hitting hard on them. Even, 1 of the 4 above was the one asking for my contact. I wrote the numbers on Sunday, just said “hi..how are you….” NO reply from NOONE. I’ve learned to accept to just keep going forward with approaches but every once in awhile, you look at what its come down too….and just say … WTF ?

    1. Nick Jabba October 20, 2014 at 11:52 am

      Sounds like you weren’t showing much sexual intent. Don’t hide your balls lil fella

      1. 'Reality' Doug October 20, 2014 at 11:58 am

        You aren’t bigger for demeaning someone else, and you weren’t there. I hide my balls as a general rule, after I’ve let them breathe. I want polarity. I want her to hurt from not having my balls. I was her to have a scarcity mentality about me. But I know what you mean, and there is truth to it, but I think he needs to intensify by commoditizing these women in front of their faces. And we need each other to reestablish our patriarchy.

      2. dontrecycle October 20, 2014 at 5:01 pm

        Thks for the advice. Could be right, I was buzzing quite hard and wasn’t entirely there myself. Unfortunately, as this site talks about, my relaxed natural self just doesn’t cut it.

      3. 'Reality' Doug October 20, 2014 at 6:32 pm

        Welcome. Keep experimenting. If you start to get called creepy, that means you went from asexual to repulsively sexual, which is progress. Unfortunately, that is a dangerous time, like the litl birdie leaving the nest without reliable flight. Fight and finesse through it. Timing reading the moment is important. Good luck!

    2. GRock October 20, 2014 at 1:51 pm

      I think in the US, the # close alone has become less fruitful. Some women now use the # close just to end the interaction, leaving total choice with no consideration of commitment to text or call back. With call blocking apps too, they can give you their real #’s with no exposure or reveal to current boyfriends.

      You’re only as good as the very last impression you left with her. If it wasn’t “charged” in some manner, she’ll brush you off. I was just explaining to a friend the importance of controlling the end of an interaction NOT MATTER WHAT… consider it the “locked steering wheel,” because women don’t know what they even want themselves, it’s up to you to provide that direction and hopefully do so in a manner that temporarily lasts long enough to escalate on the next interaction. Another testament to why PUAs try to escalate as far as possible, especially during night game.

      1. Let's Go October 20, 2014 at 2:36 pm

        “You’re only as good as the very last impression you left with her. If it wasn’t “charged” in some manner, she’ll brush you off. I was just explaining to a friend the importance of controlling the end of an interaction NOT MATTER WHAT… consider it the “locked steering wheel,”

        Good point. I heard that a man is better off pissing off a girl than to leaving her feeling indifferent to him.

      2. dontrecycle October 21, 2014 at 10:43 am

        Like pro sports and hollywood, you’re only as good as your last play ! I’m so out for revenge …this week.

      3. Truth October 21, 2014 at 2:07 pm

        That’s why escorts should be legal and readily available in every city and country around this damn planet.

        Picking up girls at bars has become a fool’s errand and a waste of money, time and most important pride.

        Women love to see men debase themselves for their hairy pussy…

      4. A Prophet October 25, 2014 at 2:22 am

        Women love to see men debase themselves for their hairy pussy…

        The men who do this don’t get any of that hairy pussy.

        Picking up girls at bars has become a fool’s errand and a waste of money, time and most important pride.

        When a man’s a fool and tries to do something using ineffective techniques, everything is a fool’s errand to him.

        That’s why escorts should be legal and readily available in every city and country around this damn planet.

        Now this I agree with.

        The more fools throwing their money away on paid for pussy, the easier it is for the rest of us with qualities women actually want (besides a fistful of crumpled dollars).

      5. bavieca October 31, 2014 at 4:01 pm

        ‘The more fools throwing their money away on paid for pussy’

        if the pussies acquired worth the money then everyone’s happy and nobody’s a fool.

    3. Der Mac October 21, 2014 at 4:03 am

      Just the fact you’re complaining about it makes you sound desperate. You also should make your SMS greeting a wee bit more thoughtful and personal. I find such empty questions irritating to say the least.

      1. A Prophet October 25, 2014 at 2:26 am

        I’d never reply to anyone writing me a text saying “Hi… how are you…” in a million years, and I’m a dude.

        Imagine how a woman who’s getting 10x the messages every day of an average guy feels when she sees half assed crap like this… and this kid is blaming it on the woman for not responding to his uber lame messages…

      2. bavieca October 31, 2014 at 4:08 pm

        he’ll get more enthusiastic response had it been “hi what’s your bank account number, i’d like to give you 10 grand”.

  4. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 10:43 am

    In the UK, they now make sure that if a man said he would marry a woman but they never did, he’d still have to pay a divorce settlement. This is to divide men and women from each other.

    it’s the jews.
    they came from the lineage of the pharaoh akhenaten
    they were forced to leave egypt as they were destructive
    they persecuted christains during their reign of babylon
    they invented the mark of the beast then, the six pointed star
    they killed christ who exposed them
    they were driven out of 109 nations since 240 AD
    they started WW1 and 2, to create Israel (false holy land, false peoples)
    they trained and continue to train islamic insurgents
    after they finish with the muslims, they will finish whites off
    and finish off christianity, amongst other religions
    THEY ARE EVIL, their talmud is full of hate.
    They forgot God and the talmud makes the Jewish peoples as God.
    They continue to genocide abroad and at home by proxy.
    There are some good jews, but most are are infestation.
    Ever wonder how a small group can own so much.
    Its through perverse banking, and centuries if not millennia of it.
    Its through many other manipulations.
    Its because many of them do not self-identify; there are at least 200m of them.
    That’s why the message boards get spammed and manipulated by them.
    They remove any criticism of them and try to defame the truther.

    Love God.
    Love your fellow man.
    Deny satan and his minions (however you choose to define it) worship.
    Deny them friendship and obedience.

    The apostate jews subverted the Catholic Church from the very beginning.
    They have subverted and own the west.
    In the next 50 years, they will destroy most western nations, and many whites.
    But shortly thereafter they will be destroyed almost to the last jew.
    Because they are anti-God. Sure, others can be, but mostly them.
    They will suffer eternally for their lies and their sins.

    1. Ian October 20, 2014 at 12:40 pm

      A good read on the News and their religion is- “Judaism Discovered” by Michael Hoffman.

      How are the Jews training Muslim insurgents??? That is news to me.

      Put some links up to articles or drop some book names on that one.

      1. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:17 pm

        Been going on a long time – they invented Al Qaeda

      2. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 11:03 pm

        Oh, are all Poles Jews in your worldview, too? No wonder you think the Jews control everything! You think everyone but you is a Jew!

        You’re a joke. I’m sure you could have found a Jewish American official to use make some kind of dubious claim, but not you: you just grab an irrelevant photo of a Catholic Polish-American diplomat in Afghanistan in the early 80s as “proof” that the Jews “invented Al Qaeda.” Do you have a system by which this stuff makes sense in your own head, or is this all extemporaneous free association?

    2. Let's Go October 20, 2014 at 2:37 pm

      So what if any female lies to a judge and says her current boyfriend proposed even though he didnt?

      1. Fiona October 20, 2014 at 6:52 pm

        It’s not true so don’t worry about it mate. The Daily Mail is a trashy UK tabloid renown for being full of crap.

    3. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 10:48 pm

      I don’t know what’s funnier, your cartoonishly bogus history of the Jews as the Sith (especially those bits about Egypt and Babylon! Man, you are fucking hilarious) or the fact that you just used the Daily Mail as a source to prove a point. I guess if you’re the kind of guy who thinks “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is real, you also believe anything you read in the Daily Mail, the Star, and the National Enquirer. You know, I heard that Bigfoot and Bat-boy were Jews. You should add that to your list!

      1. Cedric G October 21, 2014 at 10:55 pm

        Mazel on your half ass logic.

      2. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 11:02 pm

        What is half-assed? The fact that there is zero historical record outside of Exodus that the Jews ever even lived in Egypt, making that claim completely asinine, or that Christianity didn’t even exist when the Jews were in Babylon. Or the fact that the Daily Mail is a joke of a tabloid that has gotten out of libel suits by convincing the court that no one sincerely believes or expects their articles to be based in fact?

        You know, if you want to bitch about the Jews, there are some really good examples you could come up with. But not a single one of the rants in seth’s streetcorner schizophrenic sermon has any basis in reality.

      3. seth datta October 22, 2014 at 8:25 am


        The egyptians made multiple references to the followers of Akhenatan, who have been confirmed by people like Sigmund Freud to be Moses. Christianity is the Old and New Testaments. The Daily Mail has lots of joke articles but nowadays people want to see things from sources such as this, rather than lesser known sources.

        It is true that some Jews are good, but many are Talmudic Extremists who want to act as the hands of Esau in murdering all gentiles. Like you. Shut the fuck up you Luciferian Zionist Jew.

      4. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 9:52 am

        Sigmund Freud was not a historian, and was mostly a fraud, so that’s hardly any kind of confirmation, even if he did make such a suggestion. What on earth do you mean that Christianity is the Old Testament? Just because Christians embraced that book thousands of years later, doesn’t mean there were any Christians during the period of the Babylonian empire. No Jews have ever advocated murdering all Gentiles. That’s just preposterous. You are either just inventing stuff out of your own schizophrenic brain, or parroting stuff you read on another crazy person’s website.

        Nowadays people primarily want to see things from legitimate historical and journalistic sources, not the Daily Mail, and not blogs written by mental patients.

        And I’m not Jewish. I’m just not a lunatic antisemitic conspiracy clown like yourself. I can’t understand how this website tried to act like it’s a space for the legitimate concerns of men and allows utter lunacy like this to flourish here. It makes all of the antifeminist arguments look just as batshit as this stuff.

      5. Ruckus October 22, 2014 at 11:02 pm

        Nice hamster 🙂

      6. Friendly Cynic April 30, 2016 at 5:48 am

        “What on earth do you mean that Christianity is the Old Testament?”

        The first christians were jews, included their prophet.

    4. Ruckus October 22, 2014 at 10:57 pm

      Lolz their are some who say the Jewish Messiah never came and that they shouldn’t presently be in Israel. Their Messiah has come, but it wasn’t Jesus – it is MONEY.

  5. JQ October 20, 2014 at 11:10 am

    It happened to me I was waiting for a girl to show up. First 10 mins she texts “Im coming hold on”; another 10 mins pass by I text her and she does not reply. I call her and she says she is almost there please hold. After full 40 mins I call her back and she says she is stuck in public transportation at X and Y street because of heavy rain. I look at the clear sky and realize this bitch is playing with me. I had other cases too; they are not that frequent but they do happen. Most flakey girls decline politely; you learn to filter them. Example: I’ve found out single mothers are very likely to do this; some others have relationships already but like to create drama. If she does not cancel you beforehand and waits for you instead to call her back when she doesn’t show up. And then she comes up with a lame excuse and promises to see you later or saying you should have read that message she sent early in the day then she is playing you. Delete her number. Roosh is right in going for the make out asap; but even then it happens. I had an instant day one evening followed by coffee and a make out in the park and for date 2 she flakes on me. She did not react to any follow up either. Sometimes you will never know what happened. Just keep going; we ain’t stopping for no one.

    1. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:46 pm

      Thanks for the share. Every guru says their wins, but never mentions their losses, even though the best ones get a 5% response rate at best (in foreign nations).

    2. Der Mac October 21, 2014 at 5:30 am

      I feel for you, JQ, but you should shrug away the anger and direct that energy instead towards hobbies and being more interesting in general. If it went that far with the girl on the first date, and she flaked out after, it’s a sign she didn’t find you so interesting to meet up with again. I’m not trying to defend her (it was, of course, rude of her) or hurt you, but that’s the perspective from here.

    3. Ternarydemon October 21, 2014 at 12:37 pm


      Unless you are rich or a natural alpha with a great social circle, grinding should be the norm. You should expect 90%+ of girls to reject you, unless you go for fat/hideous girls only.

      1. JQ October 21, 2014 at 1:02 pm

        Thanks for the reference man

    4. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      Women are standing you up because they are figuring out that you are a hateful PUA loser. Nothing more.

      1. JQ October 21, 2014 at 3:34 pm

        Says an over-the-hill dried up land whale. Go back watching sex & city. Even trolling demands brains

      2. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 3:55 pm

        Oh dude, that hurts because it’s so damn accurate. Men who are attractive to women don’t go to these sites to whine all the time about how evil women are. If you change, well, just about everything about yourself, someday you will have sex too, little man, I promise.

      3. gibraltar October 22, 2014 at 3:31 am

        go back to your latin american shithole

      4. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 7:54 am

        Dude, I’m an American. It is your guru here who is the foreigner.

      5. Ruckus October 22, 2014 at 11:03 pm

        It doesn’t matter where you’re from – you’re fucking brainwashed and in denial of it.

      6. precious October 23, 2014 at 3:01 am

        So women who are attractive to men don’t go to sites to whine all the time about how evil men are — or do they?

      7. bavieca October 31, 2014 at 4:29 pm

        ‘Men who are attractive to women don’t go to these sites to whine all the time about how evil women are.’

        assuming that you’re a man then how would you define an attractive man? i’ve heard quite a number of women said that tom cruise is not attractive because he’s not tall enough although there are much more women who find him attractive…………

        men don’t come to these sites to whine, they come to this site to discuss and share experiences with their fellow men. why are you even on this site? you’ll have better luck to find kindred spirits at jezebel or david futrelle – you’ll like him for your first name isn’t the only thing he shares with you.

  6. Jeremy October 20, 2014 at 11:24 am

    Why don’t dating sites have post-date rating systems that are shared with the men only? Seems logical to me. Women are selling, men are buying, there should be the ability to post-date rate a woman. That’s social justice for you, let the men describe how they were treated, and then listen to the wailing from the women who want the ability to socially abuse their dates and get away with it.

    1. Joel Farnham October 20, 2014 at 12:06 pm

      There was one. It morphed into Facebook.

    2. Der Mac October 21, 2014 at 5:32 am

      Don’t fool yourself into thinking that men are doing the buying.

    3. alex November 17, 2014 at 4:07 am

      If the girl is abusing the date is because you are letting her do so. I pay for the first date, but the first date is just grabbing one coffee in 7-eleven and go to walk in the park. THAT’S IT!. So if I don’t see the girl again, I haven’t really spent anything.

  7. Mark Fox October 20, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Here’s how you deal with being stood up: if she doesn’t show up within 15 minutes of the agreed upon time, then leave. Don’t text or call her, just leave. If she doesn’t call or text you, then you know you were stood up. If she does, then tell in her in no uncertain terms that you like punctual girls and that she had her chance.

    Don’t complain about it either. If you’re connected to her through some form of social media, just “unfriend” her from everything too.

    1. Jeremy October 20, 2014 at 11:30 am

      I’ve done this. I took it a step further too, I basically shunned her in any further social interaction (she was a member of a social group of mine). She suddenly got a lot friendlier to me when she noticed my behavior.

    2. JQ October 20, 2014 at 11:33 am

      I like it. This establishes a strong boundary early on; either she straightens up or she is nexted

    3. 'Reality' Doug October 20, 2014 at 11:40 am

      Why even let her have the option to stand you up? Don’t go to meet until you get a confirmation text that she is getting ready to go an will be there within 1.5 hours. Or else go where you can hit on chicks but go down your list and say, want to meet at XYZ in an hour. If you get caught, your value will only go up. Think in female terms. If you can’t to that, act the opposite of what you would like from a woman. It will get you close. If the chick is not eager to confirm a date, she is not really interested. The agree to date only to keep the option and have relative status and avoid hurtful defensiveness. I have learned that a woman should hurt emotionally from my leaving her presence, or she isn’t attracted. That is some fucked up shit to internalize as a civilized man.

      1. Mark Fox October 20, 2014 at 12:00 pm

        That works just as well. The point is to impose your standards on her, not the other way around. It’s about maintaining frame when dealing with a woman who does not find you attractive and rejects you.

        It is also works for long-term investment in relationships. If you’re seeking a LTR, then you’ll be able to filter out the less desirable women effortlessly. If you’re looking to get laid more, then you’ll probably hook up with her friends because she’ll tell them about what you did.

    4. Tim October 20, 2014 at 3:09 pm

      I have no game whatsoever and that would still be my default response. Pride.

  8. John October 20, 2014 at 11:31 am

    When you’re dating a lot of women through cold approach by the law of large numbers alone some of them will be careless and disrespectful.

    Women will have similar complaints about guys who are pathological liars, promising them the world and then vanishing the millisecond they ejaculate.

    Some people suck, what’s new here? I don’t get it.

    1. 'Reality' Doug October 20, 2014 at 11:35 am

      You are inexperienced with being treated alpha, or at least potentially not beta. Get in the field and work. Women like pathological liars. They don’t fuck honorable (to them) men. Treat an animal like an animal and have the right expectations. Women never complain about fucking nice guys in the past, and rarely about being divorced from true jerks. You don’t get the alpha fux; beta bux logic of the female hindbrain. When you are shat upon that one time to many, you will seek answers.

      1. Visionquest October 20, 2014 at 11:44 am

        ” Women like pathological liars. They don’t fuck honorable (to them) men”

        Exactly. Women complain about these types of men yet gravitate to them.

      2. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:42 pm

        So true. Every time I got a woman hot is when I actually behaved like a complete sociopath. They are genetically wired to love violent and sociopathic men and will indulge this as opportunity benefits – our ancestors were wise and realised that such behaviour would result in a non-society, so they used family values as a mechanism to gain wealth and health. The boomers forgot this and bequeathed us a world of low-paying jobs and fat, shrill women with shitty attitudes (though men have degenerated too) and the boomers say “you are lazy and unmotivated”, when there are only poor paying jobs around and a shitty future. Most folk are not wise, so they are no different from us, and being older only makes them an old fool. If I want to learn how to destroy my country and my race, amongst other things, I will copy a boomer.

      3. Der Mac October 21, 2014 at 6:33 am

        Couldn’t agree more that the Baby Boomers have taken a proverbial squat on mankind and Planet Earth altogether. It is difficult to envision the planet having to suffer any more selfish “generation” in the future.

    2. JQ October 20, 2014 at 11:54 am

      To each their own problem. Women have their blogs to deal with those situations. Here, we discuss and share knowledge on how to better deal with ours.

      1. John October 20, 2014 at 12:59 pm

        Let’s try to deal with the problem practically then.

        You can relocate to countries where women are more respectful of men (some countries in South East Asia for example), and hunt for a conservative humble wife to settle with. No marriage is perfect but you have a much better chance of striking gold.

        But to go on the hunt for notches and except no flakes, no lies, no disrespect ever – that’s as delusional as you can get, no matter which country you are in.

        The game is tough. You don’t have to play. Even if you want casual sex you don’t have to play, since you can always pay for pleasure.

        You’re in or you’re out it’s up to you. But to play and whine like a bitch every time you get stung.. that’s just childish.

      2. JQ October 20, 2014 at 1:17 pm

        Nobody here is writing about meeting women and expect no flakes but you. On the other hand, discussing a situation which game practitioners must deal with on a daily basis brings new ideas to give a try. Obviously, we cannot stop flakes from happening; and it does not matters in which part of the world you are located. But opening yourself to new insights from others will help you reduce the time sinks flakey women produce. This is what this article is about.

      3. John October 20, 2014 at 2:24 pm

        I agree complete – yet where are the new insights in this article?

        “Make a girl strongly attracted to you so she won’t flake” – well very true, but I wouldn’t really call it new.

        The rest of the article – bitterness, hate, and the usual “oh where are the good old days” rant.

        I’ve noticed a pattern with Roosh – a few insightful, analytical, applicable posts, and then one senseless seething hate rant. Then repeat.

      4. Nohj October 20, 2014 at 3:43 pm

        Just because his essay stirred you up doesn’t make it a “senseless seething hate rant.”

        Why does everything have to be “applicable” and perscriptive anyway? To garner your approval or something?

        The part about your average young man on Tinder or PoF or whatever experiencing entirely novel degenerate modes of interacting with women is particularly good. Interactions that would present a challenge to a 70’s street pimp are the “new normal:” that’s fascinating, and probably consequential.

      5. John October 20, 2014 at 8:03 pm

        Not every post has to be applicable, but posts like these don’t help red pill credibility in the mainstream.

        Roosh talks about ‘how we need to change the world before women destroy it completely’, and with posts like these I can’t see how he can except anyone to ever take him seriously.

        “All women suck!! Watch as I compare them to an emotional abuse check list!!”

        Are you serious? You wouldn’t be taken more seriously than a butthurt child whining that he can’t get every toy he points his finger at.

      6. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:45 pm

        The game used to be much much easier and more fruitful 10-20 years ago. Recent changes in society have now made for diminishing returns.

        I’m predicting that only the upper middle class of most western nations will have free time/resources to run game in the future, and they will be social grouping it with members of their own economic group. It will be restricted access. As time goes on, women in lower socio-economic groups will become unfuckable (assuming you have any standards as a guy) due to not being able to afford to look good, getting fat, and other issues.

    3. Dildo Baggins October 20, 2014 at 10:57 pm

      Good point.

    4. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 3:24 pm

      I love this shit here. When you are using a fucking strategy to manipulate women into letting you fuck them, and they don’t go along with your schemes, they are disrespectful. This is fucking hilarious.

      1. Juanito El Comandante October 21, 2014 at 7:44 pm

        Eres un pendejo, pinche morro teto. You’re probably like 17.

      2. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 9:15 pm

        Right. First of all, which of us is still using a dimunitive, Juanito? Most grown men grow out of the “girls have cooties” phase you are all arrested in. I just jumped right into an adulthood where I both slept with and got along with women, and never had to soothe my bruised ego with delusional evo psych theories or pandering, exploitative websites. I never went through your phases where 1) your ugliness and repellent personality prevented you from ever getting laid (except possibly in a date rape scenario; 2) you decided to learn game so you could manipulate women and overcome your personal shortcomings; 3) you realized game doesn’t work when you are just that unattractive to women, so you desperately tried to “alpha” yourself by any means possible; 4) you still couldn’t get laid, so to prevent any kind of introspection of personal growth, you just decided that all women are an evil conspiracy out to destroy men and society.

        The entire philosophy of this site boils down to a single complaint. Now that women can choose who they have sex with, they don’t choose you. You think this is a great injustice; in your mind, these women should be forced to fuck you hideous half-men, despite the fact that you have absolutely nothing to offer them. You think there was some magical time when even mutants like yourselves were assured lovely wives. But that time never existed. You still had to have some value to marry, at any time. You all would have been a bunch of serfs or conscripted sailors who might possibly on occasion get to blow a month’s wages on a syphilitic whore.

        It’s just the saddest self-help support group ever. You’ll pretend you believe some guy about how alpha he is and how much he gets laid (despite him still being here), and he’ll pretend you’re an alpha who gets laid (despite your pining and whining), and you’ll all pretend Roosh is a Turkish alpha who knows about science and history and gets laid (even though he basically admits periodically that he doesn’t), and together you can create a little roleplay community where it doesn’t hurt so bad to be a bunch of loner misfits who never, ever get to kiss girls.

        Your circle jerk therapy group where you can all bitch and moan about how mean those pretty girls are with their standards and independence is the least masculine thing to ever exist. Male My Little Pony fans even laugh at you clowns.

      3. Ian October 21, 2014 at 11:26 pm

        Dame you’re cruel. I have worked on self help so my autopilot response to a sadistic person like yourself is automatically virulent.
        Do my little Pony fans spar with Vegas prize fighters or shoot assault rifles as good as the upper tier of soldiers? Our toxic society and its perversion of nature and social institutions through cultural Marxism is really the crux of the issue. If you had not had commie schools and colleges and junk toxic media growing up many me. Would’ve turned out better she. You combine that moral relativism and godlessness and its all just a big train wreck.

      4. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 11:51 pm

        What on earth? I legitimately have no idea what you are trying to say. At least in my “commie school” we learned syntax.

      5. Ian October 22, 2014 at 12:00 am

        Rationalizing being a pinko is never cool.

      6. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 12:12 am

        Huh? When did communism even begin to be relevant to this conversation? All I was doing was making fun of these so-called macho men wingeing about getting their feelings hurt by rejection. Your response was like a right-wing Madlib with incomprehensible sentence structure.

      7. Visionquest October 22, 2014 at 6:44 am

        David Alvero = female troll.

        Ha ha ha – If you were such a stud and had such an important life you wouldn’t be posting here.

      8. bavieca October 31, 2014 at 4:36 pm

        ‘When you are using a fucking strabtegy to manipulate women into letting you fuck them’

        decriminalize prostitution and let the fair trade commences.

      9. Unreal March 14, 2015 at 10:28 pm

        I suspect not much would change. Except prostitutes would make something more like a living wage. Mandatory testing would make it safer. Whiny boys like the ones posting here would be free to pursue paid sex and stop hounding women who are sickened by them. They would no longer have to watch the real men go home with the girls they want. Roosh would be put out of business. Sounds like everyone wins.

    5. Unreal March 14, 2015 at 10:08 pm

      What’s new is that in 2015 America everyone is a victim.

    6. Unreal March 14, 2015 at 10:15 pm

      What’s new is in 2015 America everyone is a victim and the internet is the watering hole for their self pity.

  9. Visionquest October 20, 2014 at 11:41 am

    “That veneer is now being taken off. More than ever, men are interacting with women who are not part of her “tribe.””

    In other words, why fuckin’ bother any more? In fact it is best to avoid any kind even superficial interaction with today’s unrestrained cunt.

    1. 'Reality' Doug October 20, 2014 at 11:45 am

      Life has always been a contest. Men are in competition with you, and they have troops and an army of bureacrats, but you only get this one life. You can’t get some fuck value once in a while? They can control some of the pple all of the time, all of the pple some of the time… If women don’t provide sex, they are taking without giving. There is no moral dilemma here. You have paid dearly. Not only do you owe women and most men nothing, they own you, or else catch as catch can like the wild animals they are. They made the rules, not you.

      1. 'Reality' Doug October 20, 2014 at 11:53 am

        What I mean is do used superficial interaction, which is not very interactive at all. Rhetoric determines the winners and losers, and it will determine who lives and who dies. Though I am not inclined to go out to get laid, because it hardly ever happens, if I am out for me, I develop the skills I can. If feels so wrong at first because of emotional conditioning, if I may project myself, but you will become congruent to your logic of knowing you are dealing with opportunitically predatorial sheeple. Fuck them, in so many ways, please. We are the patriarchy, and that which does not kill us makes us stronger. Imagine the understanding of women future Western patriarchs will have. Never before have social experiments on seduction been so ethically and socially possible, even essential to one’s welfare. I don’t think isolation is viable in the long run. You don’t need any one, but we all need someone. There is force in numbers. If I can get over treating sheeple like they aren’t civilized, you can too.

      2. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:46 pm

        You mean propaganda/social engineering determines who wins or dies??

        The contest is determined in advance these days, at least I feel this to be true in the west, whose destiny is pre-structured by the investment class who reward certain behaviours and penalise other ones.

    2. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:49 pm

      I do sometimes feel women are taking the piss in expecting everything and delivering nothing. All their work is paid in taxes to essentially deconstruct western society and make us slaves. Many men are the same. So it becomes most people are a waste of space in that their energies are used for social enterprises abroad where others get killed or enslaved, before the same thing happens to them back home in the western society (e.g. mass immigration, weakened men, outrageous laws).

    3. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm

      Please, all of you follow this man’s sound advice. Just completely stop interacting with women. And men outside your cult.

      Thank you!

  10. Ian October 20, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Masculine republics (how America started) devolve into feminine democracies (the godless, immoral socialist slime bucket America is today).

    I think the ancients knew something when they implemented means to keep women from owning property. For most women, a creditor will eventually own their assets if they do not watch their natural impulses towards over consumption and selfishness.

    Another thing I’m seeing in the US is younger adult guys are acting more effeminate- catty/passive aggressive and flippant. As a state many people I’ve met from California act this way too. I like the NY style as many in NY will beat your face in if you get out of line whereas in California I’ve seen inst and catty disrespect verbal
    Jousting. I think both coasts could learn from the humble, polite midwesterners.

    1. Daniel Ramos October 20, 2014 at 1:41 pm

      “Another thing I’m seeing in the US is younger adult guys are acting more effeminate- catty/passive aggressive and flippant”

      It’s no coincidence that the archetype American Man is being replaced with the watered down sissy that wears earrings and likes glee and is into “social justice…and also enjoys sucking/sitting on a phallus or two (or twenty)
      The more homosexuality is accepted, the more likely you will see the disturbing behaviors you mentioned among younger males today.

      1. USSA Today October 20, 2014 at 2:16 pm

        They also tweet and status update all day. They dont have time for unmanly things like carrying a rifle into the Forrest and crawling around in the mud looking for game.

      2. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 10:57 pm

        I know! And don’t get me started about the unmasculine dudes who sit in front of their computers getting solace from other soft dudes about the fact that they never, ever get laid. Can you believe these guys have tons of websites devoted to this? Instead of actually achieving things in life and having sex with women, they spend endless time reading and commenting on articles that pander to them and roleplay that they are actually masculine and that they only have nothing because of a global conspiracy of feminists, liberals and jews. And they form these little communities where they can all hug it out and tell each other how awesome they are and pretend they don’t even want to fuck all the women that reject them, rather than figuring out how to become adult men and actually have sex from time to time. It’s unbelievable that the rugged, self-sufficient American Man archetype is turning into these hopeless losers who fantasize about quaint past times when soft men like them could purchase a wife and fetishizing third-world women who, in their fantasies, might be happy with a sad little half-man for a husband. It makes me so sad that American men have fallen so far.

      3. seth datta October 22, 2014 at 8:31 am

        JIDF. What the unmasculine losers like you? Is that you Ezra Klein? I have no problems with jews that do NOT want to be like the hands of Esau in murdering gentiles. I DO have a problem with the faggot guys like you, getting paid to troll websites, trying to minimise the impact of recognising who is behind this. It makes me sad to see the cowardly Edomoites/apostate khazarites come to this. Basically, amend you ways or you will suffer greatly for your crimes against humanity, before you die the second death.

      4. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 12:31 pm

        Dude, please seek help. You are so beyond mentally ill- minimally a paranoid schizophrenic, but I fear you may be worse and a legitimate danger to yourself and others.

        Your delusional random biblical references aside, who on earth would pay someone to troll such a no-account laughingstock website as this?

        Besides, you are just falling for the lies that of the true adversary. They want you to blame the Jews for every bad thing in the world, so you won’t recognize the true workings of the Rand corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires! Wake up, sheeple!

      5. seth datta October 23, 2014 at 3:59 pm

        Projection – you are the paranoid schizophrenic as you show all the signs of being one in your comments according to the DSM-V, the psychiatrists bible.

        Please seek help yourself – your narcisstic ramblings where you try to derail the comments thread by painting me as mentally ill, pure speculation, as befits patients who often project their insecurities onto others’.

        You outed yourself when you suggested you didn’t want us affecting other people’s perspective above. That means you have an agenda like being of the JIDF.

      6. seth datta October 23, 2014 at 6:40 pm

        I liked the ‘they want you to blame the jews’, which shows that you have an agenda and that you are a paid shill, and that YOU ARE GUILTY BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION OF TRYING TO GENOCIDE ARABS, WHITES BY MASS IMMIGRATION, AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER PEOPLE.

      7. David Alvaro October 23, 2014 at 6:53 pm

        You guys must be so proud that your community attracts such discerning intellects as this mental defective neonazi paranoiac. Seth, when people try to devise caricatures of delusional attic-dwelling conspiracy loons, they never even come close to you. You are literally the most bonkers person I’ve encountered in decades of the internet.

      8. seth datta October 26, 2014 at 3:11 pm

        check out your newer comments in more recent threads. You are busted for being a Zionist. Shut up. There are apparently one billon neonate paranoiacs all over the planet – it can’t be true of all of us. Why don’t you look up the higher rates of mental illness in your own communities.

      9. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 2:22 pm

        Dude, please get some mental help. You are in schizophrenia crisis.

      10. Kansas October 22, 2014 at 9:17 pm

        Female trolls lol.

      11. Kansas October 22, 2014 at 9:29 pm

        Why are you posting on here as a guy, feminist troll? If not a feminist troll, a faggot? Let people vent their frustrations, reading the comments you posted just make you look like a sick woman, stop taunting. Some people go through shit in life and are trying to cope, it doesn’t mean they are losers. GTFO

      12. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 10:31 pm

        I am a heterosexual male, one of those ones that you read about and pretend to be, who actually has sex with women. That’s what’s confusing you. 99.999999% of straight men think you people are clowns as much as women and homosexuals do. Alot of people go through shit in life, and everyone tries to cope. But those who cope by turning all that frustration into hate, reducing the world into absurd simplistic models, and blaming everyone else (women, jews, minorities, liberals (for their problems) rather that themselves and perhaps the one or two other people actually responsible for their problems, are losers. People who assume because someone isn’t posting sycophantic self-help group speak about how everyone but whiny, straight wannabe-alpha white men are evil scum that they much be a woman are losers. Angry virgins who call men who are at peace with women as a group because they actually engage in regular consensual sex “faggots” and “manginas” to feel better about their involuntary celibacy are losers. People who worship a one-time PUA guru who is so bad at picking up women that he fled the country and still strikes out with poor women in rundown ex-communist cities are losers. People whose idea of masculinity is eliminating any vestige of empathy or compassion for all people that are outside your cult, but having inexhaustible high fives, hugs, and reach arounds for any guy who wants to moan about how hard it is to be an ugly, obnoxious, unwashed, unemployed “alpha” and yet not be able to fuck 10s is a loser. I understand the idea of wanting a safe space where you don’t have to deal with women or actual attractive and successful men, but this thing you do where you demonize the people that you obsess over and either want to be or to fuck, it’s just too funny. Not to mention the fact that you’re cultishly insane feelings about women, understood only as a global cabal dedicated to making sure you never, ever get so much as a handjob, makes you so succeptible to buying into any other crazy, unsubstantiated conspiracy theory, where you’re suddenly also interested in the antisemitic works of the KKK and a legitimate schizophrenic streetcorned preacher. Any time I post something that reflects what almost every person in the world thinks about your pathetic hate cult, you accuse me of being a woman, a homosexual, a jew, or whatever the fuck you’re blaming today (a reptilian alien? the CIA? reverse vampires?) Whether you started with legit shit you have gone through in life or not, when your solution is to lock yourself in the asylum and convince yourself that your angry delusions constitute some kind of enlightenment, you are a fucking loser.

      13. Kansas October 22, 2014 at 11:56 pm

        I didn’t bother to read half the shit you wrote. “99.999% of men think you people are clowns, same as women and homosexuals”. Im not a bitter person, I don’t hate women. I don’t like the KKK. I don’t believe in conspiracy theories; you’re labeling a lot of people who read sites like this one. This shows your lack of intelligence, you can’t hide that. Its easy to use labels and make arguments, you sound fucking generic.

      14. David Alvaro October 23, 2014 at 12:04 am

        I was responding to your attack on my response to your peer here, seth datta, who has littered these thread with irrelevant and completely bonkers conspiracy rantings about Jews, invoking David Duke as a brilliant intellectual. Maybe you don’t hate women and minorities, although your slur suggests you aren’t so good about homosexuals. But this is an environment so full of toxic hatred to women that when someone goes off on some evil shit about Jews or black, no one objects to it. And when you, and everyone else in these rooms, declares that I could only be a woman since I disagree with this garbage, you are demonstrating either your own lack of intelligence or the fact that too much time spend in this environment has completely severed your link with the real world.

      15. seth datta October 23, 2014 at 3:54 pm

        Tel aviv man trying to justify his posts when he knows we’ve cottoned onto his game. Fuck you and the one you worship, satan.

      16. Kansas October 23, 2014 at 12:06 am

        Yeah, some (most?) of these guys are strange, and no one in their right mind would accept them in a normal civilized society. But some (most) aren’t. I just come here to learn, and i look over the strange shit some people post. And Roosh is negative, and bitter, so is Heartiste, but some stuff is based on reality, and is interesting. So i understand somewhat why you would be angry. I have 2 sisters, and 2 neices that i love, and to think that some day they would hear stuff like this bothers me.

        And i was posting about your comments in the comment section, not defending “my peer”

      17. seth datta October 23, 2014 at 6:38 pm

        The reason he defends himself so much is because bankers etc.. are all jews. If you read their Talmud, it says they should kill us all. They also are behind mass immigration and population replacement, as Congress etc.. are mostly jews. if you investigate it, you will find its fact. This is why one billion people minimum around the world are labelled by the fraudulent ADL as being ‘anti-Semite’. But the Arabs are the REAL semites and we are lied to all the time.

      18. Jake Karsher October 23, 2014 at 7:58 am

        Do you know Alain Soral ? He’s a french writer and intellectual that came to the same conclusions as Roosh. Since he’s now in his 50’s, he was in his peak in terms of game in the 70-80’s years, and slowly saw the decline of the western woman, and the market logic being applied in relationships and game.
        Whining about how all of us are pussies, refusing to man up, etc, is negating the collective and global mechanics that made the game harder now than 10, 20 or even 30 years ago.

      19. David Alvaro October 23, 2014 at 9:41 am

        That dude was basically a neo-Nazi. Roosh is in such good company. Soral would have tried to eject Roosh from Europe.

        This is not a game. Viewing it as such is the act of a man-child. I wouldn’t even be pointing out how unmasculine your collective complaining is if you guys didn’t all affect the persona of ultra-masculine men and suggest that all men who actually get along with women are feminized.

      20. seth datta October 23, 2014 at 3:55 pm

        You’re feminised. Look at the way you talk. Like you are the epitome of masculinity. Why are you so worried about us affecting the persona of men, unless you were an infiltrator from the JIDF/affiliate. Busted!

      21. Jake Karsher October 23, 2014 at 4:46 pm

        Soral is a marxist. His reasoning is that feminism did absolutely nothing for the lower class women. Thus trying to categorize women as a whole is a fraud in terms of political representation. A low wage clerk chick has more in common with a man in the same condition than a rich shareholder woman who can afford the privilege not to work.

        Check the Frankfurt school of thought. They are basically the reason why feminism exist. Those guys applied the Marxist dialectic to itself, saying “Hey, if we can have a class society why limiting ourselves to a classification based on productivity ?” And there you go: new useless political categories: women, blacks, vegans, disabled, etc…

      22. seth datta October 23, 2014 at 3:53 pm

        You’re some old faggot in Tel aviv trolling here as part of counter-insurgency so people don’t cotton onto your guys. Shut up faggot. masculine man my arse. No jews are masculine. None. At all. Ever.

      23. Average Joe November 3, 2014 at 3:14 pm

        Now, THAT was some real good reasoning.
        You sir, show good sense and good humour.

      24. seth datta October 23, 2014 at 3:52 pm

        Hi. We know many jews lied about the jews idling each other off in the holocaust. We know you’re trying to get us to kill each other off and are killing us off at the same time. Schizophrenia – that’s what you guys are claiming to be victimised (a lie) yet murdering in palestine, the holodomor, Christ etc… Fuck off faggot.

        You guys in JIDF only up voted him twice so far. Not so good. You are having a great day in Tel Aviv, No?

    2. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:36 pm

      Social engineering – if you promote anti-male values from a young age; the masculine males will over time die out as they are socially selected against. Whereas, the passive males and feminists are selected for by being funded by wealthy sources and become the future society. Of course, this has its limits, which is why Rome and other societies that tried going against patriarchy collapsed (patriarchy = men leading family life at home).

      When women say ‘I hate the patriarchy’, we should let 5-10 years pass and watch all the jobs go and all the thugs and rapists move in and say ‘ you reap what you sow’.

      Feminism is being set up for a fall politically anyways – when the jobs go, the upper class will blame the feminists who will have shit jobs or none at all. The problem is the men will be in the same position. The revolution already occurred – they broke up the family, moved in immigrants and changed the laws. Everyone is now dependent on a shitty economy that is haemorrhaging jobs and no revolution through guns will be successful when the people cannot domestically produce what they need as the means of production have been off shored. Most people have the ‘slave’ gene, so they will be slaves to the elite till this system of things comes to a catastrophic conclusion.

      1. Baker October 21, 2014 at 2:31 pm

        Great comment

  11. Visionquest October 20, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    “I want a healthy sex life with attractive women so this is what I must endure to get it”

    That’s a contradiction; sex is more than just the chicks hairy hole. Its a lot of the interaction she gives him – the genuine smile, the gentleness, truly enjoying the man’s company.

    Without that you just have hook-up culture and nothing more. And hook up culture fails to make a healthy and complete sex life.

    1. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:33 pm

      If you are a passive male, a healthy sex life is somewhat guaranteed in many western nations. You have to be passive so you can put up with her BS and accept her cheating. Being a man these days means that everyone wants to interfere with your relationship as acting assertively is the kind of thing that will get you fired from work (in most industries which have become PC) and the social engineering from TV etc is to be passive. So passive males have happy lives of non-introspection whilst more aggressive yet thoughtful males have hook up culture and jack all else.

      Hook up culture is encouraged to make us slaves, like in Brave New World, though, these days we are headed in the ‘1984’ direction of Orwell.

      1. Elroy October 20, 2014 at 5:43 pm

        The Junior Anti Sex League

  12. Sean October 20, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    The description of the women sounds like you are back in America.

    Are they getting worse in EE?

    Where were the nicest, easiest to deal with girls in EE?

    Have you ever thought about monetizing the process of linking up guys to 18yo virgin farm girls to marry as this does sound most appealing because used up women are gross and a man who has cash should be able to snag a fresh virgin girl whether he’s 27 or 57.

  13. Voland October 20, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    You are a good writer.

  14. Sean October 20, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    When I’ve dealt with domestic animals-I generally like dogs behavior but many cats are lousy to deal with.

    This is in jest but its surprising some eccentric mgtow hasn’t combined cold approach with knockout game.

    1. 'Reality' Doug October 20, 2014 at 12:31 pm

      I’m saving that for SHTF.

  15. Mr. B October 20, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    There are striking similarities between the above list and what women find bangable in a man. Flip the script from qualification to action and it’s a bit dark triad:
    – Acts though you are always right. (Irrational self confidence)
    – Give disapproving, dismissive, contemptuous, or condescending looks, comments, and behavior. (Make her seek your approval.)
    – Make excuses for their behavior or tend to blame others or circumstances for your mistakes. (Live without responsibility for your actions.)
    – Never apologize. (Same as the last.)


    It’s not 100%, but pretty damned close.

    1. seth datta October 20, 2014 at 4:29 pm

      Unfortunately, that above list is going to become the man that does not find employment or ends up in jail, if you work in the west (which is where the money usually is). I think men should be allowed to be men without negative social engineering.

      1. Mr. B October 20, 2014 at 6:28 pm

        Obviously a man mixing full time Machiavellian, narcissist and psychopathic behaviors is a recipe for disaster.

        Women, though, will swing knees agape for it – alpha fux. That’s baked in to the dysfunctional woman’s brain, and, sadly to say, being dysfunctional is more the exception than the rule in the west.

  16. Daniel Ramos October 20, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    This article is well researched and superbly stated. As a Man that has had to evolve his approach to Women to include better and better game, i can certain agree with the bulk (if not the totaility) of what you expressed here.

    I will add that there are of course, exceptions to every kind of female that you have briefly described here..I personally have encountered them. For every 9 females that i came across that were petulant, narcissistic and otherwise selfish in their demeanor as a matter of intent, there was one that was sincere, altruistic and generally behaved in a much less puerile disposition than the majority of her counterparts. It goes without saying that ihey are few and far between.
    Incidentally, I must emphasize “much less puerile” for a reason, because even with the few Women i encountered that don’t fall into the “typical” category that you have mentioned in detail here, they still possessed enough of an estrogen fueled erratic personality to distinguish them as childish in the most basic understanding of the word.
    Dealing with women is an exercise in patience, one that would make almost any Man qualified to teach even the worst “dangerous” minds in the school from “lean on me.”

    1. GRock October 20, 2014 at 1:37 pm

      Your “1 in 10″ statement is supported by many here. And that’s WITH decent game. It’s probably 1 in 30 or 1 in 50 for those with none. It really has become more a numbers game than anything else anymore. One where a bit of game wisdom can help reduce the time expenditure and minimize the exposure to excessive abuse. It’s a fine line of opportunity costs of making oneself more attractive and simply living our lives like real men used to.

      I think that’s why so many of the ROK articles that have titles like:”5 Things that Improve Your Attractiveness,” are relevant despite seeming cliche. Even if only improving 2 things are all you have time for, it may be time well spent that lasts a lifetime.

      1. Daniel Ramos October 20, 2014 at 2:47 pm

        The games that Women play are likened to chess…it takes a minute to learn them, but a lifetime to master.

    2. Daniel Ramos October 22, 2014 at 12:40 pm

      I’m going to further add that, the minority 1% of all the Women i’ve dated that were not “petty selfish narcissistic things” etc were predominantly of a religious persuasion (Christian)
      These Women cooked for me, cared for me, cleaned for me etc without me having to ask, and inspired me to want to do the same for them. Even when they would deny me sex, it wasn’t to try and manipulate me into doing something for them first, it was because of a genuine belief in trying to put themselves in a better standing with God and within their faith…they inspired me to do so as well.
      I think this is key because (Christian) religion is one of the few bastions of society that the feminazi movement has had tremendous difficulty infiltrating, and of course corrupting.
      Most of the other females were secular and displayed all the telltale symptoms of a socially stunted hamster mind. This is why i refer to those misguided creatures as females, and not Women.
      A Woman who appreciates the value of a Man is more than just an everyday female that does not. She is a diamond in the rough in that regard.

  17. Dunkerbeck October 20, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    I have good reason to believe that the most adorable woman is the one who doesn’t know, or at least acts as if she wouldn’t know, she is adorable. Based on mere looks, attractiveness always becomes quite a paradox.

    1. Dunkerbeck October 20, 2014 at 5:24 pm

      I can relate to the article. Seems to me that ceasing from idealizing women leads to accusations of being misgynic or to humiliation — being ridiculed even by close friends. Seems to me that when the paradigm is on the line anyone may become its agent.

      1. Dunkerbeck October 21, 2014 at 3:34 am

        Sad but true that men’s desire for freedom can never compete with their sex drive. If abstinence is not an option, virtual sex could be a means of liberation by matching the male’s/female’s mentality of scarcity/abundance.

        Here is an artwork of mine revolving around this topic:

  18. 41490_0 October 20, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    Man this is so true everything I swear I’ve only had one or two rare occasions where I’ve received less to no abuse from a women who I approached even if I didn’t score with them there was a good level of respect and it always surprised me in a good way at least there is a few but the majority OMG 🙁

    I Quote “Why is it so hard to believe I have a date with a perfectly nice normal girl”

    The Reaction says it all!


  19. Dawson Stone October 20, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    I don’t get it. Women only treat you this way if you allow them to. Attractive women get hit on all the time directly and indirectly when they are out and about. If that happened to a guy (which it never does) they would act the same way. This is how male celebrities are…they are annoyed by all people coming up to them all the time.

    The problem is that cold approaches on attractive women is going to always be like skating uphill for reasons that have NOTHING to do with the nature of women but the nature of cold approach game.

    I actually find that men and their egos tick off more of the items on that list than women do.

  20. just a human October 20, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    Roosh-it is half of true! I live in eastern europe-and worst things that ever happened here with me and my family were done by MALE individuals!!!

  21. OhioCoastie October 20, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    When women’s voting patterns successfully upend society and everything collapses, they will be forced back into subservience. Sad, but true.

    1. Stackist October 22, 2014 at 5:23 pm

      Well, like the Terminator, they can be stopped with a shotgun blast.

  22. Eric S. Mueller October 20, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    Roosh, you nailed it. But marrying one can truly show you the depths of their depravity. I knew nothing about game and female psychology when I married my ex-wife in 2001. And I saw up front just how deep they can descend into cruelness. If you make the mistake of letting her think she’s in charge, they really isn’t a way to recover.

    I’d love to think someday women like that will be held accountable for their actions, but I’m not going to hold my breath. Their solipsism is too strong.

    But if you find one who is socially constrained, or you know your own value and will not back down from it, things can work.

    1. Mark Kimmel October 20, 2014 at 11:50 pm

      excellent comment

    2. GRock October 21, 2014 at 11:36 am

      Good point. Where as most women realize the power of their pussy, most men don’t realize the power of their accomplishments and self-improvements. Thus, men don’t leverage themselves well at all. A true solipsistic bitch’s goal is to literally turn any man close to her into her bitch, and herself into a man. This is how bass akwards things have become.

  23. Fiona October 20, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    Maybe try growing a thicker skin rather than getting all upset and writing your stroppy little articles.

  24. BangkokSlim October 20, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    Flat out paying for sexual relief will be mainstream someday….lol !

    1. 'Reality' Doug October 20, 2014 at 9:39 pm

      That is not the animal-sheeple-opportunistic preditor way. Men flat out pay to not get sex, and the price is going up, up, up. I don’t think mens’ money will be good because that would lessen female power, but more importantly go against female instincts: submit to alpha; milk to death beta.

  25. Keith Swanson October 20, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Roosh you need to put this one on youtube

  26. Oscar Delgado October 20, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    I read a story once that said that women will get on there hands and knees and beg to get treated like shit. Is it true

  27. Titan000 October 20, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Now if there is a trial specially designed to purge women of their cruelty and heartlessness. Like a fire burning off impurities.

  28. anon October 20, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    is this a joke? literately WTF

  29. Fuck america October 21, 2014 at 1:25 am

    Rooshs words always ring true. My game sucks ass so I decided to see an escort the other night, two hot 20 year old blondes for $140, seemed like not a bad deal. When I showed up in the room the girls were pretty but turned out to be bitchy as hell. I gave them the $140 as promised for 30 minute session beforehand and right after they said they weren’t having sex with me that costs another 200 which is complete bullshit, one girl gave me a handjob for a minute with a condom on and then swiftly kicked me out. I drove an hour to get there and was with them for less then 3 minutes. They basically robbed me. Typical american women. Abusive, heartless pieces of shit.

    1. 6 100 October 21, 2014 at 1:30 am

      Never pay full price up front, unless you know for absolute certain that you are getting the complete good or service.

    2. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 12:55 am

      Hahahahaha! Dude, you can’t even score with prostitutes? Give up. You were clearly never meant to have sex.
      These were not typical American women. This sort of thing doesn’t happen to most men. There is clearly something profoundly wrong with you.

      1. precious October 22, 2014 at 5:43 am

        If you laugh at him while at the same time suggesting something has to be wrong with him, something has to be wrong with you.

      2. Kansas October 22, 2014 at 9:19 pm

        This female troll is not self aware at all. Lol wtf?!

  30. Jennifer October 21, 2014 at 5:56 am

    Let me speak as a teenage AMERICAN girl. This is not an insult to anybody. I was born and raised in the US to Asian immigrant parents. I’m also deeply interested in Slavic culture and languages. Thus, I am fluent in Russian. I feel as if I might have some interesting insights. Roosh’s website makes me feel conflicted. On one hand, many of Roosh’s supporters are correct in that Western culture is falling further into degeneracy. I admit that I don’t have any friends at my university because 98% of the students are immature skanks (boys and girls). Everybody is addicted to some kind of drug and alcohol. But, as somebody who is an Asian female, I have to say that Roosh’s views on foreign women, specifically Slavic and Asian women, are highly incorrect. Many of those women DO only care about the money a Western husband will provide and the possibility of citizenship. There is very little love in a relationship like this. I want to also understand, from the men on this website, how is it possible that you keep meeting such awful women? Yes, I would say that the majority of American women are quite horrible, but there are women who are beautiful, kind, and intelligent. Has anyone of you ever gone to perhaps a church, community center, or volunteer organization? I’ve met wonderful men and women at book clubs and foreign language institutes. I can’t help but wonder if maybe the blame is on you guys? I actually can feel the pain, anger, and sadness from reading many of these comments on Roosh’s site, and in a way, I feel as if somehow, I am to blame. Granted, I don’t act like the “typical” woman Roosh often writes about on his site. But I feel as if nobody should give up hope. I think perhaps many of you men are not looking in the right places. Furthermore, treating a woman badly and acting arrogant will not help you to find a wonderful woman. Good luck to you all.

    1. Cedric October 21, 2014 at 11:59 pm

      Great comment- if you want quality go to a quality place not the gutter. You shouldn’t be ashamed of coming from immigrant minority parents as many immigrants are hard working, successful business owners (nail salons, restaurants, import/export, etc).
      I agree that many state colleges are full of hedonistic drunks and druggies and scarred people from all the meaningless casual sex. Study hard and link up with a quality man. The 3rd World crowd hasn’t got the memo yet that the US economy is in the toilet via Zionist usury ala Central banking. Hollywood keeps up the PR on the US but when its finally insolvent that won’t matter anymore. Best of luck to you too.

  31. TonyFlame October 21, 2014 at 7:46 am

    Roosh you nailed it! Your article precisely described the reality of an average guy (who can’t create a ton of attraction from the get go) in cold approach game. You have to face monsters and it can make you or break you. In my experience that doesn’t apply only for hot girls, sometimes the less beautiful ones are even worse.
    I remember how once a buddy visited me from a smaller town for a week to practice club game. I motivated him and he brought up the courage to approach a couple of girls on the first night. He was so shocked and paralyzed by their cruel reactions that he later told me he won’t be able to approach for the next weeks or months.

    1. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 1:00 am

      Why is this such a revelation? If you are unattractive, and you harrass/cold approach women kicking this played out game material that all women are familiar with by now and all women hate, since it presupposes that they are idiots that can be manipulated into having sex with someone they wouldn’t otherwise want to using a few pseudopsychological triggers, of course they are not going to be polite to you. How courteous are you to con men who approach you out of the blue, identify you as a mark, and try to separate you from your money? The more of you guys that do these ridiculous game scripts, the more every women can recognize them right away, and the negligible chance they once had of being effective completely evaporates.

      1. TonyFlame October 22, 2014 at 5:05 am

        In your comment you are smashing the principle of game, or is it just aimed at weak game? The (ironical) thing is the better your game the less abusive reactions you will get. Part of the solution Roosh suggested is to have ‘razor sharp’ game.
        Game is NO magical/ psychological manipulation to try to hack her brain and steal something from a woman! When two strangers meet (who are not attracted to each other from the get-go) it’s a complicated and potentially awkward situation. Game is a helpful tool to meet and get to know each other, in an emotional compelling way (instead of boring small talk with awkward silences). This is meant to be exciting for both the man and the woman (we are also giving value), and it’s actually a non-commital OFFER to the woman.
        OK…It improves our value as man, but is this a sin (and a legitimate reason to smash on game guys)? We are using the tools that we have at our disposal (for 90% of the man it’s not their looks) … usually charisma telegraphed with game.

        In my city I get approached pretty often by homeless bums who want money. Even though they just WANT something (without giving me something back) I reject them with some respect.
        In game we want to share value (also giving her something) but actually got threated sometimes worse than a bum on the street.

  32. FormerCanadian October 21, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Roosh, I usually tend to support your thoughts but I STRONGLY disagree with this one.
    Again, DO NOT BLAME WOMEN for all the above mentioned shit! BLAME NORTH AMERICAN MALES for lowering their standards and selection criteria, for becoming pussified creatures with absolutely NO self esteem, for turning into speechless robots willing to obey every order they are given and to comply with every female demand!!
    It’s males who allowed ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED to happen first and then to rule in North American society!!
    It’s males who are dating fat, ugly and abusive bitches, who succumb to political correctness and mainstream, who go 10 extra miles in order to please a whale of a woman in a vain hope to get access to that elusive pussy!!
    So, do NOT blame women, but blame MEN who’ve allowed ALL THIS to happen!

    1. GRock October 21, 2014 at 11:31 am

      It’s both. That’s like saying women have 0% cognition and social reasoning. To give and entire gender a “pass” based on “human nature,” and throw the entire blame on the males because they allowed women to have some rights in the first place, is too demeaning to both genders. Abusive behavior by women is a choice, just like men tolerating it is a choice. Changing this from the bottom up is a lot harder than from the top down, where things like child support, marriage and divorce law, campus rape entrapment laws, et. al manifest. However, the landscape suggests the only way to gain traction is from the bottom up. So your “call to arms” by the men involved in the sexual market place is spot on, but I don’t believe men alone created this position, especially once the momentum of the 1960s had taken hold and grown into what we see now.

      See, it was sold to men in the last millennium, that women’s right to work and vote made sense to have them begin paying for the cost they impose on society. The problem is, all the other so-called “rights” that were tagged on along the way. And those ancillary empowerments should have been nipped in the ass but weren’t because along with women come the emotional flood gates which laws were enacted for. Logic and reason started this movement, but the problem was created by allowing women to vote. Work sure, but giving women the right to vote gave them stakeholder’s power in USA Inc. That’s where men really fucked up bad.

      1. FormerCanadian October 21, 2014 at 12:00 pm

        I do understand your point and somewhat agree with it, but again and again I’ll reiterate that MALES fucked it all up when it comes to dating, political correctness, affirmative action and similar shit happening nowadays in North America.
        How is women’s right to vote related to the fact that MALES lowered their standards and selection criteria, settled for the lowest of the low on a dating market and became speechless slaves and robots obeying every order coming from a female Master??
        MALES voted for the laws like child support, divorce regulations, multiculturalism! Males embraced them in fact!!
        Nothing’s gonna change until the moment when every male looks in the mirror and understands that it’s HIS own fault it’s all gone down but it’s also HIS power to change it all to the better!!
        It’s so easy to look for an excuse and complain, but it’s a lot harder to admit own faults and start doing something to change the current situation.

  33. Smart Alex October 21, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    In my experience a lot of this doesn’t resonate. Some yes but:

    Most women make you feel as though they are always right
    Uhh..no. Never ever

    Most women give disapproving, dismissive, contemptuous, or condescending looks, comments, and behavior
    Only the friends of girls of girls I’m banging or trying to bang
    Most women make excuses for their behavior or tend to blame others or circumstances for their mistakes
    THAT is 100% accurate
    Most women have trouble apologizing
    Again very true
    Most women regularly ridicule, dismiss, disregard your opinions, thoughts, suggestions, and feelings
    Nope. Advantage of being older perhaps?
    Most women constantly correct or chastise you because your behavior is “inappropriate”
    Again nope. When I’m “inappropriate” I’m usually on my way to getting laid
    Most women treat you as though you are inferior to them
    Nope. Never
    Most women accuse you of something contrived in their own minds when you know it isn’t true
    Not even sure what that means but I think this might be, for Roosh, an artifact of being a semi-public figure. I can’t imagine this being true for the “average joe”.
    Most women are unable to laugh at themselves
    Again VERY true
    Most women do not want to meet your basic needs or use neglect or abandonment as punishment
    Meh…As a self sufficient, successful I need very little from women. If I aint gettin that then they are less than peripheral to my life
    Most women play the victim to deflect blame onto you instead of taking responsibility for their actions and attitudes
    Bingo. This has been true in the past more times than I can count
    Most women do not notice or care how you feel
    True but that one slices both ways
    Most women do not show empathy or ask questions to gather information
    Again mostly true

    1. Unreal March 14, 2015 at 11:37 pm

      “Most women make excuses for their behavior or tend to blame others or circumstances for their mistakes”

      That what 99% of the men here are doing, blaming women for their lack of sex and relationships, blaming women for everything negative about American society.

      How is this different?

  34. Quintus Curtius October 21, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Great article. They just get better and better. Pretty much no one else is saying these things that need to be said.

  35. David Alvaro October 21, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    You know nothing about anthropology, sociology, and evolution. Stop using this absurd pseudoscience to justify your antiquated prejudice.

    1. Eric Wright October 21, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      How do you know what he knows and what he doesnt know, take a hike land whale

      1. David Alvaro October 22, 2014 at 1:02 am

        Because he has no qualifications, and they way he glosses over these topics to justify the same points suggests that he’s never even taken a 101 course in any of these subjects. It’s beyond laughable to anyone with even a rudimentary familiarity with these fields. But the core audience here is so grossly uneducated that they believe Roosh is some sort of intellectual Renaissance man and eat all of this bullshit up.

  36. Europe Puller October 21, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    Solution: 1) Focus on your career achieve financial independence
    2) max out your looks and game skills ( being able to bang good looking girls from cold approach)
    3) never marry (kids depends on your mindset)
    4) If you have depressions… fuck some hot prostitutes, travel and focus again on point 1-3

  37. Moonpie Nobot October 21, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    All of what is posted here is true of men too. Some people are nice, some people aren’t. That’s it.

  38. pauldrake October 21, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    “Most women do not show empathy or ask questions to gather information”
    If there is one thing that bothers me most about women it is this. Even the sweeter, kinder, more intelligent and attractive are guilty. I take an interest in everyone I meet and am very historically oriented. Additionally I’ve done work where I had to ask individuals and groups lots of questions. I’m pretty good at getting women of all ages, races and levels of attraction to talk to me, to give me information. However it is a rare occasion and a rare woman that shows me any depth of intellect or even more so show a real genuine interest outside of the mundane and ordinary. Yes, this attribute is the most depressing of all to me.

  39. Xtianslater October 22, 2014 at 12:08 am

    I dated a crazy bitch with full blown borderline personality disorder for 2 of the worst years of my life. This article is just skimming on the surface of what monsters these crazy bitches can really be… a great site is http://www.shrink4men.com

    1. FormerCanadian October 22, 2014 at 5:52 am

      So WHY did you date her for TWO years instead of just breaking up and forgetting her??????? This is exactly what I do not understand in North American males: you seem to enjoy all the suffering and never dare to be man enough and stop it! Thus, again: DO NOT blame females for all your faults, sufferings and other shit! Blame YOURSELF for not being men enough to stop it!

      1. Xtianslater October 22, 2014 at 6:30 am

        fair comment. i was very inexperienced in relationships and did not know about Borderline females or how crazy and dangerous they actually are. It turned out she was a pathological liar with a double life who had been making up fictional stories to me the entire time. To be fair she wasnt just exclusive with me, she had two other males she was seeing, including her de-facto partner during that period. in short I was immature and naive, and easily manipulated and steamrolled. Once i learned about BPD, i educated myself and got out.

      2. FormerCanadian October 22, 2014 at 8:48 am

        Holy crap…… I do understand that people may come into a relationship being inexperienced, but…. Man oh man, 2 YEARS ain’t no 2 weeks or even 2 months! it’s 2 YEARS!!!
        It has nothing to do with being immature or naïve, man! It’s ALL about a lack of self esteem, self respect and vain hopes to keep that pussy by your side by all means possible!!
        For all others: THIS is the primary reason WHY North American females can do whatever they want and behave the way they want without any problems!!!
        And it’ll stay this way as long as males would keep looking for all kinds of excuses instead of becoming a MAN with OWN thoughts and visions of life, a MAN who dares to differ, to stand up and be counted and t lead by example!
        I can NOT even imagine how it’s even possible to be in such a relationship for TWO YEARS without even making an effort to break it up and live OWN life… simply unbelievable…

      3. 41490_0 October 22, 2014 at 5:10 pm

        Dude have you ever seen catfish well trust me that thing is going to be more common in the coming years, unfortunalty if you’ve grown up being sold lie by society, parents, and anyone about dating and women and all this, then you can easily fall into the trap and date a girl for 2 years as the guy above put it. I would much rather have a bad experience and wake up later and change my life then to have everything rolled on a plate easy to me and never reach my potential in terms of dating. I had almost worst experience than the guy above it was so painful but something awoke inside of that pain and hurt and depression and now I’m putting myself out there and using that pain for unleashing my potential.

      4. Xtianslater October 22, 2014 at 6:06 pm

        i would do some research into BPD if i was you. Borderlines have a frantic fear of abandonment and they will do literally anything to avoid a relationship breaking up. To be honest she had a complete double life and was constantly dipping in and out of my life for that extended period. sometimes she would disappear for 2, 3 months and come back, and the first year I was only with her sparsely. And I was seeing a couple of other girls during that period. It was only when i committed to the borderline soley that everything really went downhill. Anyway, it’s all in the past now and i know how to spot these malicioius predators that pose as vulnerable victims. Lesson learned. She is rotting in hell somewhere. Unable to grow or change. Still projecting dramas, lies and abuse on anyone she can manipulate successfully.

  40. gibraltar October 22, 2014 at 3:39 am

    Think 80/20 rule. Just stop cold approaching if it causes you so much abuse.

  41. Occidental October 22, 2014 at 5:11 am

    Uncle Roosh,
    What would you have done if the books never took off and you were still in DC at your current age?

  42. Cedric Leroy October 22, 2014 at 5:13 am

    Leroy sez-
    Roosh player when are you gonna write a manifesto for fat guys-
    The Roosh V Diet

    Don’t need no tourist ass clown South Beach diet- the Valizadeh way everyday baby!

  43. Falcus October 22, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    Men indeed suffer a lot too from female privilege just as women do from female privilege.
    But I think you might be afflicted with medical misogyny, writer.
    I mean actual misogyny, not the bogus shit that feminist recite to get money.

    Your past experiences led you to believe that there is something innerly shady about women, but it’s simply false on all counts.
    Not all men are rapists either.

    You just need to come to terms with the fact you had very bad examples of females around you, so your brain is tricked to associate all females with those experiences.
    Same happens to women, in the reverse way.

    Sadly the only way to fix this is getting to know some really good women, investigate them, and realize they are not affected by the same problems as you think which dismantles your theory, and your misogyny is gone.

    Hope I was helpful! If you need further medical advices ask away.

  44. Guest October 23, 2014 at 12:50 am

    Men do all of those things to women not in their social circles, too. Women’s abuse towards men is because they know you intend to abuse them: pump and dump. Treating you that way protects them from the emotional abuse/damage of your pump and dump.

    As for flaking out and disappearing, men flake out and disappear on women very often.

  45. Onder Hassan October 23, 2014 at 7:18 am

    Its no surprise that ‘The Mystery Method’ was based on a dog training manual.
    Women are like dogs and have to be trained in order for them to treat you nicely.

    Thats’s why I think a great woman can’t be found. She can only be made.

    The only thing we can do as men is to find one that has a few kinks to it and simply raise it to become a better woman. It’s what they all want naturally anyway – A strong and powerful man who can lead and protect them.

    Anything less, and like a dog, she will piss all over your shoes and tear up your furniture.

    Its a bit like tuning a car. You can tune the insides of a Chevy all you want, but at the end of the day, it will never perform as good as a tuned up Mustang.

  46. Angel Berardi October 23, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    This is a crock of shit. Even though I’m a guy, men will be abusive if not constrained either. All those bullet points on how women don’t take responsibility, etc. are screaming insecurity. Women simply do NOT rationalize like we do. They are raw emotional beings. Just as we hate women for not using their brains, women hate US for being logical about everything. A woman is basically all of life in a human body. You have to learn to treat a woman as you would treat life: unpredictable, it is what it is. Blaming women is like saying, “Life should be more apologetic and try to ask questions instead.” Please.

    1. Angel Berardi October 23, 2014 at 8:27 pm

      Abuse from women ONLY exists if you think so. A girl is standing you up and you rationalize that you didn’t “create enough attraction”? What are you a robot? You’re denying her emotions. In order to be attractive to a woman, all you need to do is to “be ENOUGH”. You got nothing to win, nothing to lose. You don’t have to cave in to a woman, but you don’t have to run away either. This article is biased in so many ways and the bad thing about is that other guys read this shit and they go out thinking they gotta start laying down the law.

    2. precious October 24, 2014 at 2:17 pm

      When the most childish behavior is not only confused with, but also praised as the most feminine behavior — it’s time to turn out gay.

    3. Mark Kimmel October 25, 2014 at 2:54 am

      I’ve never gone wrong underestimating a girl’s capacity for self-awareness, self-respect, and morality.

  47. pua nani October 23, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    this is absolutely ridiculous. Roosh, you could have stayed with Anna and lived the high life with a sweet woman who really cared about you. You chose to be abused instead. You made your bed…

  48. spicynujac October 24, 2014 at 12:53 am

    Another brilliant observation by Roosh. As common sense as this article appears to anyone who has taken the red pill, it was a huge eye opener to ask each of those questions about my last serious relationship. She met 10 / 13. It’s really fucking depressing how disgusting women are when you think about it. I appreciate this site and all the effort put into game and dealing with women, but I have to say, many days I simply cannot bring myself to pursue or interact with such creatures as these, when even the “better” ones that I have selected (and I am quite discriminating) receive a 77% on the “Emotionally Abusive Test”.

    I have chosen MGTOW while I live in USA with some short term relationships when traveling abroad (the above foreigner received the 77%). I can’t even get in the frame of practicing / approaching but a couple of days a week at home. Who the fuck wants a wet hole that badly?

  49. Zelcorpion October 24, 2014 at 5:49 am

    Men are required to have balls of steel nowadays:

  50. Daniel Smith October 24, 2014 at 6:12 am

    so called misogyny is their own creation

  51. The Truth October 24, 2014 at 7:50 am

    @Rooshv: feminism has revealed women’s true nature in a scale which was propablby never possible before. Think about it: they claim the right for abortion just for the sake of having a fail sale “contraception method”, so that they might have kids only with the “right guys”. Their continued complaining, whining and discussion about “consent”, “anti-rape” laws, etc. is all about having men on their back and call: that’s why they basically want to have the right to dress as they want, decide subjectively when a consent was given or not if, if it was possible, even force men to commit to them without any sexual gratification in return. That’s basically what feminism is all about. That’s the true nature of women feminism has revealed for everybody to see.

    We don’t have much choice but to steel ourselves against the abuse we
    are surely to receive, all because we want to achieve heterosexual

    I think that what’s more likely to happen is a mass male conversion to Islam and endorsement of Sharia as state law, because only Sharia has proven sustainable in dealing with women’s nature. Most previously Christian and democratic societies are collapsing altogether and in great part this is due to the abusive nature of women which was unleashed through sexual liberty, consumerism and feminism. If you think about it, even “game” is a kind of a workaround this abuse, but it doesn’t mean that it’s not there on a societal level and doesn’t eliminate it (and in great part enables it).

  52. The Truth October 24, 2014 at 7:50 am

    @Rooshv: feminism has revealed women’s true nature in a scale which was propablby never possible before. Think about it: they claim the right for abortion just for the sake of having a fail sale “contraception method”, so that they might have kids only with the “right guys”. Their continued complaining, whining and discussion about “consent”, “anti-rape” laws, etc. is all about having men on their back and call: that’s why they basically want to have the right to dress as they want, decide subjectively when a consent was given or not if, if it was possible, even force men to commit to them without any sexual gratification in return. That’s basically what feminism is all about. That’s the true nature of women feminism has revealed for everybody to see.

    We don’t have much choice but to steel ourselves against the abuse we
    are surely to receive, all because we want to achieve heterosexual

    I think that what’s more likely to happen is a mass male conversion to Islam and endorsement of Sharia as state law, because only Sharia has proven sustainable in dealing with women’s nature. Most previously Christian and democratic societies are collapsing altogether and in great part this is due to the abusive nature of women which was unleashed through sexual liberty, consumerism and feminism. If you think about it, even “game” is a kind of a workaround this abuse, but it doesn’t mean that it’s not there on a societal level and doesn’t eliminate it (and in great part enables it).

  53. Daniel Smith October 24, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    evidently it will no longer be worth the effort after that’s what Elliot Rodgers myrtanum was thetre for

  54. Veni Vidi Vici October 25, 2014 at 2:49 am

    I have pondered this for a few days, so do you think men have more empathy then women?

    1. Roosh_V November 2, 2014 at 3:25 pm


  55. dorabella October 26, 2014 at 7:26 am

    This is fantastic! Congratulations, Roosh, you finally got it! This is exactly what feminists have been saying all along:
    1. women were FORCED to be “nice” and “understanding” and “sweet” towards men, or they would lose their livelyhood, because they couldn’t be financially independent. They were also forced to accept betrayal, physical and emotional abuse and tons of other crap.
    2. Now that women are financially independent, they can finally behave like normal human beings, and tell annoying people to fuck the hell off.

    All your examples of how women are horrible towards men apply exactly in the same way to men towards women. Or to men towards men. Or to women towards women. Thats’ how normal people behave in our society, including you, Roosh.

    And, yes, there are a lot of assholes out there, men and women. Deal with it. Grow up. And report them to the police when they commit a crime (hint: giving you a sad boner is not a crime).

  56. Steve October 31, 2014 at 5:58 am

    The problem I see with MGTOW is that they seem to think the answer is to boycott all women. They should instead boycott “western women” only , and just tell their members to search abroad when they are ready to marry and/or start a family. In general; foreign women take 15 -20 years to become significantly Americanized so don’t worry about bringing a foreign girl here to US. The statistics show only a 20% divorce rate between American men and foreign women so that’s proof these foreign women make succesful and happy marriages and that they are not divorcing their husband after getting green card status. Roosh has it 100% right- American men just need to search abroad, problem solved.

  57. Dubya November 3, 2014 at 9:55 am

    That’s no BS. I can tell you from my previous marriage that, that’s exactly how women act. Deflecting and being abusive by withholding anything physical or emotional. It’s a buzzkill.

  58. Allen November 3, 2014 at 10:08 am

    100 per cent true. My friend you hit the nail on the head. The American justice system is geared up to make her look like a victim. Here’s one example in Florida a 15 year old boy virgin gets deflowered by a 17 year old neighbor hood boy toy and the state went after the. 15 year old boy.

  59. Paul November 3, 2014 at 11:08 am

    It’s all due to having no dad when growing up! In the last year, I’ve basically cut all my friendships with men that come from broken families. I’ve always wondered why I had problems with these people in my life compare to people that come from a good home! Basically life is short and I won’t deal with broken women or men any more!

  60. rm November 3, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    most women do this to each other without giving it a 2nd thought

  61. M November 4, 2014 at 11:42 am

    100% Truth.

  62. Inner West November 5, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    “I am beginning to wonder if all my experiences with them in my adult
    life is equivalent to having an abusive stepmother as a child”

    I always wondered what happened to you and why you find us so evil. I get it now. I wish I could take many of you men and women back to when you were young children and raise you myself. I would have done a much better job than your evil stepmother and you would wouldn’t be so spiteful and hurtful towards women.

    You would then understand why women react to you so “abusively”, you would see that your actions are that of a bad person. Roosh you are a bad person and I’m hoping age will find it’s way to your heart and show you what you’ve been teaching is awful and will work against everything these boys are trying to achieve.

    Approaching women to only get “laid” is offensive and if you can’t appreciate that women have opinions and desires outside of yours, then you’re a sociopath. You are not good for these young souls.

    The only thing you should learn from this website is how not to follow this broken mans life. If there are any men out there in a relationship with a woman who is NOT the biological mother to your children, watch her very very closely. I hear this all too often. Protect your children! Talk to your children about what happens when you’re not around.

    1. Marcus Aurelius December 30, 2015 at 6:51 am

      “I would have done a much better job than your evil stepmother and you would wouldn’t be so spiteful and hurtful towards women.”

      Way to go on reading comprehension. He speculated whether it was equivalent to having an abusive stepmother as a child, not that he had one.

      “Approaching women to only get “laid” is offensive and if you can’t
      appreciate that women have opinions and desires outside of yours, then
      you’re a sociopath. You are not good for these young souls.”

      This is about the most clutching-at-pearls response I’ve seen to Roosh’s attitude. Little lesson, sister: it’s not offensive to approach women in the sole interest of getting laid. Your father did so to your mother numerous times, the result being you. It’s cute that you also replace one sociopathy with your own: the implied privilege that a woman can be abusive or cruel towards a man who shows interest in her without any consequence or without any consideration for the man’s feelings.

      That’s what women do, as judged by their actions. Inept approaches by men to women are laughed off or sneered at as ‘creepy’, even if the guy is just inexperienced. Men who just don’t want to take women’s bullshit in this area are sneered at for being virgins. And scumbags like yourself enable this abuse by putting women on some sort of pedestal, that their opinions or desires trump those of men.

      Who knows? Maybe the past year has opened your eyes a bit on this score. I see from your posting history you had an incident in your engineering firm–

      “I worked for Hewlett Packard as an engineer and our head of staff
      made the most disgusting comments about the females in another
      department (I was the only female engineer at the time). He asked to see
      my breasts in front of many of the younger male engineers who looked up
      to him.

      The Director of HR was flown in and HE was so supportive,
      he gave me the option of firing his ass or getting an apology. I took
      the latter option because I felt HR backed me.

      Do you know who
      made my life a living hell afterwards, my FEMALE Teamleaders for
      political reasons. I wish I had the option of firing the females. More
      men supported me than the asslicking women.”

      The women’s claws that came out against you. There was more support from the men than the women.

      Are you getting the idea yet? Are you getting the sense of what the modern guy has to deal with in dating, given what you had to deal with in a fucking professional job? Have you got any experience or fucking insight in this area, given by your posting history you’ve been comfortably tucked away in a marriage for 25 years and presumably haven’t been out on the town recently? Get off your high horse if you haven’t already and stop criticising men who are trying to help other men. This site has done more good to get men the sex they want and the relationships they want, to put men on an equal footing to women rather than on their knees where you seem to want those men.

  63. revengeofthecrazy November 15, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    I strongly believe that women, just like children, need to have values imposed on them, to function in a civil manner. The reason for their lack of sense for what’s right and wrong has been discussed thoroughly in the manosphere. It is up to the awakening male population to start demanding a very high standard in women’s behaviors and to relentlessly shame behaviors that we don’t value. There is no need for justification and explanation for the reasoning behind the requirement for such high standards outside of the manosphere. When a woman acts out / cheats / whores around, simply shame her without explanation and walk / revoke all commitment and presence in her life. She has to learn that this behavior results in exclusion from the market of attractive males. If enough high value males do this to her, and if this trend pierces into the consciousness of the masses (like pickup did), we may have a certain chance of healing this aspect of society. That’s my suggested alternative for (the absolutely valid, but somewhat defeatist attitude? of) MGTOW.

    I understand my theory requires “pump and dump” to be changed to “pump then shame then dump”. That’s a joke to show that I know my theory isn’t completely bulletproof.

    Anyway good article.

  64. Greg Carr November 22, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    I think a big issue I have personally with western women is that they expect you to pay for everything, like they are entitled to free dinner, movies, etc. I feel like they are overvalued in America. We cannot just enjoy eachother’s company, instead it is almost artificial.
    This was not so much the case when I was living in El Paso, though. The Mexican women there would generally expect to pay for their own entertainment as I do mine. Things changed when I moved to Fort Worth, but then again I have only been here three months so I do not entirely know.

  65. omgwtfbbqhax1 November 27, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    More the reason i feel zero sympathy for females who are beaten and stoned in islamic countries.

    Those females may not be abusive bitches of the west. But the fact is they COULDLVE been, provided they were in right environment to draw out true female nature.

  66. Tyguy November 30, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Bravo Roosh, Bravo. You just explained my last 5 dates/approaches perfectly. Throughout the whole process from meet to isolation, it is a constant battle of insults and vulgarity. Their mislead attempt at masculinity overcompensating for power, leaves these women blind. Blind to how powerful simple soft femininity truly is. It really is as simple as shut up. However at times I feel genuinely bad for these women. Due to their blind spots and complete disregard for another human being, after intimacy is achieved, I have zero further use for them. The have soured the whole experience too thoroughly. So when I get texts for subsequent meetings from them I have to let them down. When they want to be held after giving themselves to me, I want to leave. When they want to feel valuable, I want to discard them. My advice to any guy is to get yourself a part time gig at a casual or premium dining restaurant, especially management if possible. You will find yourself surrounded by girls who are forced to keep their femininity on display. Your standards will never be the same. Keep up the chase.

  67. Jon December 15, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    “Out of all my dealings with people as an adult, the most cruel and heartless encounters came from the hands of women, not men.”

    I have been saying it for years, when we see a female dictator (which is just a matter of time) she will make Hitler look like child’s play.

  68. AussieJ T January 5, 2015 at 4:44 am

    A lot of this behaviour has been amplified by our consumer luxury culture. Essentially, the value of men as makers, fixers, protectors against storms and lions… is masked by our brave new world of shopping malls and ccubicle jobs. I hear there was a trend in Nyc of women visiting firemans bars to find manly men…
    Add to this cultural marxism in the ciurts, media, colleges and the natural narcissism of women and you have a shitstorm

    Leave your corporate jobs and go fishing and hunting in Alaska orsimilar . You will rediscover your manhood and women will chase you.

  69. Just Me May 9, 2015 at 1:09 am

    “I am beginning to wonder if all my experiences with them in my adult life is equivalent to having an abusive stepmother as a child.”

    This actually explains a lot about your inability to relate to women and how your blog tears women up. The irony of this post is that your entire blog is one of the most abusive written attacks against women and yet you complain about how abusive women are? When you have lots of men coming onto your website calling women names, tearing them down, talking about how worthless they are except for sex.

    Roosh, you are a very broken person. And you have attracted broken men to your website. Not healthy men.

    1. Jim Christian June 25, 2015 at 12:51 pm

      Women broke him if he’s broken. Actually, WOMEN are broken. Expecting men to pick up your broken pieces of feminism and try to make nice is impossible. Women broke men and women. And smart men refuse to play by the old rules leavened with new and disastrous consequences. Unfortunately for women, the best men understand and refuse to play. We’ll bang, we won’t break. It’s over. Sorry ladies. Find a simpering pussy if you can, but most guys are done with it. Enjoy your “equality”, your dopey jobs, your credit cards and college debt. You’re still slaves to a man, except now it’s your boss. No family, no children for you. And for sure, no husband.

  70. John June 3, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    Yeah, I am never getting married/serious with a woman again. I make way too much money now, and got too much cool stuff going on to have some monster come and take half and steal it all. I’ll just adopt a kid or pay for a surrogacy when the time comes. I am Gen Y and I truly pity the men of the next generation. Sometimes I wonder if women ever actually feel any emotions other than anger, jealousy, greed, and insecurity and just act the rest of the time. Oh well you strong independent and successful women don’t need or respect us, us strong independent and successful men want nothing to do with you and will never take you seriously.

  71. Aservant November 10, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    Why still go through all of this? Once you get with the woman anyway, the vast, vast majority have no sensuality, don’t even know how to fuck, have toxic, bitchy personalities, are completely stupid, terrible company, can’t have a conversation, no sense of humor, the list goes on and on. If you are just dying to get laid, rub one off with some nasty porn if you have to (better just to ween yourself off the desire though….it ain’t easy, but it can be done) or get a whore or a drunken bar slut. All of this “gaming” these women and putting up with abuse just for a piece of skanky pussy is only for men whose perceived self worth and esteem is so low that they can only feel to be someone if a woman “gives them some”.

    Get a life, accomplish something, learn things, succeed…….and you will develop a sense of self where you don’t need the abhorrent approval of these putrid wenches. In fact, it just makes you feel defiled and it becomes very evident that it is far below you.

  72. fernsoles January 23, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    I hope Obozo brings in 10 or 20 thousand Syrian refugee men in our society.
    Then these American female pigs will really see what a rape culture is. LOL
    The last thing I feel bad about is female rape.

    1. fernsoles January 23, 2016 at 3:23 pm

      Hopefully we will all get to see the fun on youtube.

  73. Dirk Diggler August 14, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    Women need a firm, but loving, guiding hand. Weak men turn women into tigers.

  74. ricco-00 December 1, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    “It would be nice if we can marry our neighbor’s 18-year-old virgin daughter and never have to do an approach in our lives, but those days are gone and never coming back. ”

    We still do that in our countries lol

  75. Jay Hurley June 19, 2018 at 1:14 am

    Absolutely. If a woman isn’t attracted to you, and if she can get away with it, she will treat you without basic human decency.

    A lot of women think extremely little of men. Chris Rock said it best when he said that everything else gets unconditional love, but as a man, you’re loved for as long as your provide something. A man who doesn’t provide anything for the woman he is in some way interacting with is often seen as contemptible. We are a list of attributes and resources to women, and if that list isn’t particularly long, expect to be treated like an Indian widow shunned by them, and probably spat at by them in their imaginations.

    This is why I have put game on the backburner for a while. I’ve had a few old leads chase me up over the past few weeks and I haven’t even bothered replying. For game to be worth it for me I have to be that list of resources. It is an unfortunate irony of it all that I can bemoan women’s need for resources, yet still chase it because it is the societal ideal. But having said that, lately, now that I’ve been concentrating on my own path, I’ve felt a lot more powerful in my life. Now that I am concentrating on my health and financial well being, I have been getting a lot of attention from women and generally snobbing them off. I’ve know what it is to live like a female 6/10 and I’ve rather enjoyed it.

    I’ve made a bit of a habit of not caring too much about any one particular woman and I am seeing the pay offs.