Women Are Killing The Golden Goose

I feel sorry for any young man who gets started in the game today. He must deal with significantly more challenges when it comes to meeting women that tax both his free time, mental health, and overall life enjoyment. This man may eventually come to the rational decision that, based on the standard of women he wants and the value they’re able to give him, it’s too much of a strain to chase them.

What is the number one female behavior that is turning men off from pursuing women? Without a doubt, it’s flaking. We are now in the middle of a worldwide flaking epidemic where women are showing a shameful lack of respect to men by leading them on with clear interest and then canceling plans at the last minute or outright disappearing without notice.

It used to be that the type of girl who would flake on you was drunk when you met her, but now flaking is happening with girls you’re currently having sex with and who, we must fairly assume, have enjoyed your company to a strong degree. As girls are encouraged by the culture to pursue their momentary whims, feelings, and desires, we are facing a generation of women who don’t know how to make plans and keep them.

Most horny young men have natural immunity to systemic flaking. They are so single-minded in getting laid that they are able to temporarily forget the disrespect that was served to them and instead chase another girl. They can get flaked on as many times as needed in order to eventually fulfill their biological desire of fornication. Such a man may remark that it’s “no big deal” when a girl flakes, that it’s something that you have to “deal with,” as I surely have stated in the past. There are two things that I didn’t understand:

1. A man’s horniness will decrease from its peak. It’s easy to ignore the effects of flaking when your testicles are commanding the action, but that will inevitably fade and soon your more logical brain will take over and start convincing yourself to modify your behavior to avoid the flaking. It will first try to weed out flakes using various techniques but when that fails to work to a satisfactory degree, it will begin avoiding women.

2. The effects of flaking are cumulative. If a cat scratches you for the first time, you’ll be surprised and shrug it off. You may find the cat to be playful and coy when it scratches you subsequent times, but after a cat scratches you 250 times, you will establish a strong link between cats and the ensuing pain that comes from their scratching. Either you’ll start wearing gloves to play with cats, put your skin within safe distance of them, or avoid them entirely.

Men have flaws to their nature just like women, but those flaws are not enough for women to decide to drop out entirely of dating men, and the only women who suggest that are older spinsters who were forced to because they no longer get even scraps of attention from them. Yet like in Japan, we’re seeing young American man in their hormonal prime completely drop out from all interactions with women.

Imagine how bad the behavior of women has become for men to voluntarily forgo the immense bodily pleasure of sex. While there are additional deficiencies in the modern woman that can fill encyclopedic volumes, incessant flaking in the biggest one that quickly sours any attempt by men to try their hand at having a normal sex life.

As long as women are encouraged to shop around for men, and there is a lack of cultural shaming that punishes women from breaking their word, ghosting, and not maintaining their commitments, you will only see an increase in sexless “men going their own way” groups. It’s becoming too hard for a man who doesn’t deeply commit the time and study to game to even get a date with a girl who shows up at the agreed upon time, let alone have sex with her. The pain for these men in not having sex doesn’t outweigh the pain of the flaking and other abuse that women are now giving (pain that our male ancestors didn’t at all have to experience), and yet there is nothing that suggests women are even capable of recognizing their anti-social behavior.

Women are currently enjoying a party of epic proportions. They are allowed unlimited personal freedoms to live as they want, date how they want, and act as rude and disrespectful to men as they want. There is no institution in the establishment that wants to reverse these behaviors, but men are also allowed the freedom to make a choice of not dating these women, and that’s exactly what growing numbers of them are doing.

It used to be that men who were socially awkward would drop out first, but in the next ten years you will see accomplished, ambitious, and even top 10% handsome men drop out of the sex game simply because women keep abusing the goose. There will be always be thirsty beta males who give these women unlimited attention, but we already know that women don’t want them. Once men of higher value start giving up, and it’s only a matter of time if current trends continue, I wonder where women will find their golden eggs.

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KermitTheeFrog777
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Happened to me just last week. Got serious-sounding interest over several days from a cute girl online–obvious flirting and banter. She eagerly agreed to a date. On the day of the date, she was no contact, even when I asked her directly if something had happened and I should not drive out. No response ever–and she blocked me online, presumably to avoid a nasty-gram from me.

This is why you always keep plates.

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I had one who was becoming a pic-texting freak. Not quite sexting but skimpy clothing. Called her on it, and her template response:”I don’t just sleep around, but I’m a flirt and sorry you can’t handle that.” blah blah blah. I saved myself a lot of unneeded attention she was begging for, and my time avoiding her wasting anymore of mine.

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The only good solution to this problem I’ve found is to setup things with a girl to meet here in a place and situation where I’m ready, willing and able to game other girls if she’s so much as 5 minutes late or just doesn’t show. I also prepare myself to be neither surprised nor disappointed if she doesn’t show, call or text. You gotta have a plan B, always.

The ultimate outcome of epidemic flaking is that men will only pursue quick sex within an hour of two of gaming a girl so as to avoid future flaking. Of course, there will be not free drinks, 2nd or 3rd dates, or anything else women think they’re entitled too unless a man is confident that he’s not wasting his time and he’s going to close the deal. Dating as we know it will end. Insta-dates and ONS’s will become the new norm.

However, until the sea of brainwashed betas wise up and start weeding out flakes as well, these girls will always have plenty of options, allowing them to flake easily as the wind changes direction.

If we in the west are frustrated, just think about our uber horny Japanese brothers. They will be the liberators of man as they develop and evolve the sexbot to better hot babe realism. The one thing they will omit from their design any decision making firmware and software that allows sexbots to flake on their male masters.

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Agree. You must purse for first date bang. You must always assume the flaking, and be ready to eject at any moment.

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To attempt to understand where this is going, there needs to be an understanding that the overwhelming majority of women are simply not able to rationalize cause and effect. Everything else falls into place after that.

The majority of women today are standing on the deck of the Titanic and taking selfies. It’s what men have to deal, or not, with.

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For real, it’s beyond them to realize that what they are experiencing now is at a cost to what they experience later.

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They aren’t even happy now is what makes this all beyond pointless.

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This looks like it was written by a 15 year old incel about to go on a shooting spree.

Even Russian girls flake to a degree. Certain things in game are universal and cross-cultural.

What’s the next post? “Men commiting suicide over shit-tests”.

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How old are you, and how much experience do you have?

GRock
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The flaking doesn’t drop off much until they’re well into the wall.

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I guess ignoring reality is an effective solution to dealing with it. Please tell us more.

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Whining and bitching is as ‘effective’, and that’s all Roosh does for a while now, peppered with an apocalyptic tone so to make it all sound really important.

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Eat, drink and be merry then.

At some point the decline will be done. What then?

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So civilizations never collapse, they just keep going perpetually, and therefore, there will never be any signs or warning markers of a civilization in the process of collapse.
What a marvellously ignorant historian you are.

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Nonsense. I don’t recall in the past this being normal behavior outside of a few occasional women.

15 year old? What a silly, & inaccurate comment.

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You’re right. Until fifteen, maybe twenty years ago, antisocial behaviors like flaking were still shamed. Often specifically by older women on younger women… but men got it too.

Not that women ever gave a damn about men’s inner lives… but the older ones grew up with scarcity and insecurity and knew better than to openly disdain beta provision. Or as Roosh would put it, they discouraged their sisters from instinctively strangling the Golden Goose.

Back then getting “stood up” wasn’t just passively tolerated and written off as the cost of doing business. It was a big deal– mortifying for the flaked, shamefully offensive on the part of the flaker. People actually felt remorseful about it, if you can believe that.

No more. When was the last time you heard someone even use the phrase “stood up?” It has no currency. Zilch. Another casualty of the demographic apocalypse.

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Yeah, this is all happening because of women’s personal freedoms. Somehow men in Japan dropping out of the dating scene (and social scene) has nothing to do with the failing world economies.

I highly doubt female behavior and flaking is causing men to drop out of the dating game all together. My first assumption would be an increase of 25-34 years old millennials living at home, high unemployment and underemployment rates, $1.3 trillion in student debt, prevalent part-time employment because of the Obamacare employer mandates. I could go on, but why bother.

Just this week I’ve read about Walmart’s falling stock prices (leading to the Waltons losing $9 billion in a day) with the threat of layoff at their home offices. I also read another article of McDonald’s closing under performing stores and it’s likely 30% of stores are are insolvent due to declining sales. When Walmart and McDonald’s are losing big time something is wrong.

I need to stop coming to this website. Roosh is a good writer, but damn if he doesn’t have better things to talk about regarding today’s youth and young men. Seriously, flaky women?

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It’s difficult to arrange dates when young women have no sense of commitment or integrity to even bother showing up or respond to you. If you can’t meet up with them a potential relationship cannot move forward.
In the past, churches and various other social institutions would arrange for young people to meet and socialize to promote relationships, and the man would meet her father when he went to pick her up. Now with texting / dating sites women have huge options and simply have no sense of honor regarding basic communication.
As far as the economy – women voted for Obama in droves (largely for free birth control), so that has everything to do with female behavior as well.
Finally – you’re goddamn hideous looking. change that picture

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Right. Obama stole the election. Might I remind you who he was running against?

In 2008 Obama was running against that senile war monger John McCain who has a habit if getting lost and wandering into Revolutions to take selfies with “rebels”.

In 2012 Obama was running against Mitt Romney “corporations are people” whose own party base didn’t like him. He was so stiff and programmed I thought he was a robot. My only hope in him being elected President was that he would be bound by Issac Asimov’s Three Laws of Robotics.

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right, you voted for the ‘cool’ charismatic guy who wanted to tax everything that moves. then they wonder why people move their wealth / corporations overseas. Not that women care, it’s all emotional.
Given CEOs and founders of corporations are almost entirely male anyways, women don’t hesitate to ‘demand’ more taxes from them, unable to see the big picture that taxes are priced into the products you pay for. Now run along and vote for Hillary so the evil male can be forced to pay for more goodies to try and get more women to care about math class

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Nope. Voted for Ron Paul both times until he was out of the primary race. I didn’t vote in the general election because I have enough self respect to not cast a vote for Obama, McCain, or Romney.

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I applaud you for voting for Ron Paul, but the vast majority of women will vote for socialism which is my primary gripe with them

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That’s because as of now most young women don’t know what true freedom is anymore. I see it every time when I read an article written by a young woman about ‘privilege’. I just want to scream at them ‘Bitch, it’s called fucking freedom’. Pointing out something asinine as someone’s ‘privilege’ isn’t going to get you more freedom. It’s just going to guarantee everybody has less freedom. Especially in terms of financial freedom.

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Better to be free and unequal than to be an equal cog in the machine.

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You two still give two sh%&s about elections?
Wow, the people who really run this country–the ones who don’t run for office–they got you right where they want you.

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This time around we have the Donald. The Trumpening. A real alpha. Your days as a welfare leeching, free birth control munching, selfie taking whore are numbered.

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Yes dating was easier back in the day before dating sites and texting but these avenues also gave men more options. I’ve heard countless stories of women being flaked by men they met on dating sites. Yes women likely have the advantage regarding choice but men do flake on women.

Finally – why the blatant insult on someone’s appearance? Just because they’re debating with you? If a guy had his image up here and disagreed with you would you attack his appearance too?

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because that picture looks like it’s from a horror show, some Halloween shit. seriously. maybe if the lighting was changed and perhaps a smile.

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You’re missing the point (assuming you even care about getting the point).
It’s not about “women’s personal freedoms.” It’s the systemic disrespect that women show to men that is encouraged and enabled by the culture. It’s the lack of boundaries, the lack of rules, the lack of responsibility that Western women have.
A new law in Switzerland proposes to compel men to pay child support AND alimony to random women they might impregnate. Other laws propose to stretch the definition of “marriage” to even casual dating, so that men will be stuck with paying “alimony” to women they never intended to marry.
But of course, you never want to look at those facts. You’d rather prattle on about stock prices or other unrelated bullshit.
So yeah, flaky women is an important issue. Roosh is right: it is cumulative, and over time, it hardens many a man’s attitude to women. You can only take so much abusive before you say “enough.” So, enjoy your cats and your slutwalks, while we go abroad to enjoy being treated as human beings.

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“But of course, you never want to look at those facts”

But of course, you didn’t post the reference links. I don’t follow Switzerland’s family law.

I do however follow the financial markets. And when Japan is used as an example it doesn’t pass the sniff test. Japan has been in a stagnating economy for decades and the young men in Japan don’t date without jobs out of shame. Whole different culture.

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Your knowledge of Japan is flawed. I lived there for several years, and I can tell you that Japanese men are crushed and beaten down by a system that makes them wage-slaves from the time they are 10 years old. Japanese men also feel little incentive to marry when the only outcome is endless work, endless stress, and none of the respect that their fathers or grandfathers used to get.
Instead of coming here to argue and lecture us, you should be listening. Listen to what men have to say. But that would be expecting too much, obviously.
See, and this is what is so surprising about the whole thing. If you women could only understand that it doesn’t take much to make us men happy. It really doesn’t. All most men ask for is a modicum of respect. Unlike women, most men are not frivolous, scatter-brained, materialistic creatures. We don’t need much. We don’t demand much. You could truly win our undying loyalty if only you would just be nice. That’s it. Give us respect.
But you can’t even do that. You’re so spoiled, selfish, and caught up in your own heads that you can’t even do the absolute minimum.
So, have fun with the result. This is the world you wanted. This is the world you created.

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+100000000 to this:” Japanese men are crushed and beaten down by a system that makes them wage-slaves from the time they are 10 years old.”

Add on: not only Japanese but all western males are crushed and beaten down by the system of values which turned them into wage and “status in the society” slaves and speechless robots and androids.

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Exactly, I for one am glad feminism took the ridiculous turn it has, it has shown men that we really don’t have to live this way anymore or live the way society expects, women are strong and independent now so we can let them be strong and independent and we can turn away from their batshit crazy selves and say no thanks I will go my own way.

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I can see that you’re pissed about the situation. Yes a lot of women are like what you described. But not ALL women. I read these posts and feel bad for some of you because I see where you’re coming from in some respects. But I also a lot of fuelling the fire. I see men call women bitches then wonder why they can’t get a women to respect them. I think there is stuff to learn here but it’s good to have other perspectives from men who don’t see all women as bitches. I’m just saying converse with men how have other views to get a more balanced perspective so you can see that it’s not completely hopeless.

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Uh, oh. NAWALT alert.

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“I see men calling women bitches then wonder why they can’t get a woman to respect them”

You must not have seen any hip hop videos in the last 20 years….

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I will concede my arguments of Japanese men because I’ve never lived there.

You give me very little credit yourself. You speak as if I have no interaction with men whatsoever. I have a father, I have brothers, I have uncles, and I have cousins. I have a lot of male family members. And I have a lot of male friends. I hear their problems all the time.

My younger brother makes good money and works hard for it. He doesn’t go and spend it on women. He is very smart. My older brother on the other hand did the get married and have a kid route. He got screwed a year after his son was born because his wife was immature and had unrealistic expectations of marriage. His divorce broke him and he’s been in and out of jail ever since. He was never in trouble prior to his divorce and I was in the car with him when he got his first ticket at 23 years old. He is pretty much a criminal now.

You make every type of a assumption about me when I haven’t been disrespectful to you at all. Debating a topic is not disrespectful. Saying Roosh should pick a better topic is not disrespectful. There are massive problems going on all around the world affecting young people.

In the U.S. we’ve been in an invisible depression for years. We don’t see soup lines anymore because it’s hidden by electronic welfare and food stamps. The economy is about to get much worse (ask Aaron Clarey if you don’t believe me).

So, yeah. I find it a little bit frustrating when I know young men (particularly the 18-25 age range) needing serious advising and the discussion is flaky women. I know both you and Roosh have to know about the economic shifting right now.

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CQ does not like to debate. He can dish it but cannot take it. He banned me from ROK for some very benign comments. I’ve never been able to comment there since. Its a true shame. I was a great contributor. Now I’m sure I’ll be banned from Roosh V.com as well for what I just said. If that’s the case, I will lose faith in this corner of the Manosphere. I began reading Roosh a long time ago. He often has excellent articles that the mainstream is too cowardly to touch. However, if I get shut out for disagreeing, then this corner of the manosphere is too sensitive for me. I’ll stick to the older, more mature writers.

You make very strong arguments about the failing economy. It is important, although it doesn’t necessarily relate to the article.

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The comments weren’t meant to relate to the article. I agree Roosh writes some good articles and that’s why I’ve read his site. ROK writes some great troll articles against the SJW crowd which is entertaining.

With that said, I’m tired of seeing the complaining about women. Most women are just out there doing their own thing. You can’t control anybody’s behavior and complaining about it is just consuming energy and self defeating. Yet, that’s all I see happening on manosphere blogs these days. Just complaining and rehashing talking points.

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Well, from the male perspective, women in the West are damaged beyond repair. It’s very troubling for us. We are seeing an entire generation of women being sacrificed here. These are women that we would otherwise want to build families with. It effects us tremendously because as men we can think independently and overcome our toxic socialization, hence the Manosphere. Our female counterparts have no such ability, except for a tiny few. There is no female version of the manosphere. Nothing even close to it. The female response to the toxic socialization is more dysfunction and more destructive, top-down group think. To be blunt, Western bitches are a huge liability to Western men. And now large numbers of men are waking up to it. Think about that very carefully. How will that effect you as you get older?

Furthermore, women seem to respond to shame, very acutely actually. They sure as hell don’t respond to reason, and you know that. Shaming and berating women is the only thing that is going to work at this point, and I don’t think it’s going to work very well.

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” To be blunt, Western bitches are a huge liability to Western men.”
Lol. Check out the laws in middle east or even eastern countries before you even say that. Around 53% of the rape cases filed here are based on “rape on false promise of marriage”. Let that sink in.

“Well, from the male perspective, women in the West are damaged beyond repair. It’s very troubling for us.”

No? It became even more trivial to spot the “good ones” from the hordes of rotten ones these days. I think you are letting a few bad apples ruin you for the rest of women, in this vicious cycle.

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Your argument is confusing. Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing?

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I am saying, you have been only focusing on how bad the bad ones are. There exist a lot of bad ones out there. But that makes it a lot easier to spot the good ones.

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I understand what you are saying. The problem is that other men can also spot the good ones by comparison. The competition is fierce out there. Not enough good ones to go around, on either side really.

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Sadly True. What I am actually curious is how long can those “bad women” tolerate these awful “male feminists”. If it is really what they want. Or if they are giving them the taste of their own medicine.

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Uh, oh. NAWALT alert again.

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And it too provides a lot of incentive for the bad ones to look like good ones. You’ll never truly know her until you sign the dotted line, but at the latest when she files for half.

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thats actually sounds like a solid reason to accuse someone for rape. The rest of his doesn’t hold water.

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Shaming from men is not going to change women at all. The shame factor only works of older females shaming younger females. Feminists like to think it was men oppressing women but it was always older women (their mothers, their aunts, their grandmothers) shaming them to make them good marriage material.

Feminism screwed that up. Now older women lead younger women on a very destructive path. They see no problem with younger women spending their most fertile years going into student debt. They see no problem with their daughters sleeping with various men in the name of sexual freedom (most women aren’t cut out for casual sex). These older women are the same ones that say abortion is a choice. Some fucking terrible choice I’d say. Nothing to be celebrated.

Men in the manosphere complain about young women making these decisions when it’s their feminist matriarch that has been lying to them for decades.

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“Shaming from men is not going to change women at all.The shame factor only works of older females shaming younger females.”
Lol. Not to mention, it actually seems to boost their “I am fighting the patriarchy” mentality and only furthers the campaigns of these retarded femitards.

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Oh yeah. A man criticizes me and it just makes me defiant and combative against him. My grandmother or mother criticizes me it comes with a side of guilt and shame.

It has always been older women controlling younger women.

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My guess is men don’t often criticize you. Men generally tread lightly around women, at first seeking to accommodate, pacify, an appease them.
My daughters are the first females I remember openly criticizing.

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I’ve been criticized by men, it just doesn’t have the same effect. When a man criticize me is just makes me want to either avoid them or prove them wrong.

When a woman criticizes another women it is often done in an ostracizing manner. It is typically a group of women singling out one woman. Often this is done to bring down a higher status of woman. I see this happen often to feminine women all the time.

They have a higher value and unpretty women hate them. And older feminist women are vicious to them.

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Good perspective. I’m usually in favor of banning women from these comment threads, but sometimes we miss out on the very rare truthful analysis from a chick.

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When I was working as a server I worked with this highly feminine girl. She looked like a girl who’d won a few beauty pageants. She started as a hostess and they moved her to be a server. I was her trainer.

The entire time I worked with her the tables with women were nasty towards her. Down right rude and nasty towards her. When my bosses asked me if I thought she should be a server I said, “Hell no.” It would’ve ruined this girl’s personality and everything good about her. To put her in a service position waiting on the middle-aged females would’ve been terrible. I told this girl specifically to quit and find a better job.

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”I told this girl specifically to quit and find a better job.”

That’s good. Women like that need support.

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I’ve had female employees. Very hard to tell whether it’s my personal bias – sexism – but my impression is they were a little thin skinned.

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Well, they are definitely more thin skinned than working with men. I don’t think sexism would be relative to the situation. The problem of male bosses and female employees comes down to the illusion of fairness.

Women are obsessed with fairness. I will turn cold on a male boss quickly if I feel I am treated unfairly. Especially if I am treated unfairly in relation to female co-workers. Or if female co-workers are shown undeserved favoring (often if they are manipulating a male boss).

With female bosses it’s entirely different. There’s no such thing as fair. There is only accepted or not accepted. I once read a quote that said, “The loneliest woman is one without female friends”. A woman who isn’t accepted at work is a worse situation than any criticism of a male boss.

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There is a ton of research and a ton of thinking on this topic. To my mind it boils down to the evolutionary bias: Men in hierarchical groups, doing things (e.g. hunting) but falling into the hierarchy because it is how their tribal group is structured. Women, on the other hand, live in a flat sort of hierarchy (non hierarchy) in which they compete with one another and few take or give orders. Which makes sense from the “gatherer” side of the model.
Fairness – I totally get that. You’ll reject a male boss you don’t think treats you fairly. I conjecture that if you sufficiently respect a male boss, questions of fairness never even arise. But if he is coming from a position of what you perceive to be weakness …
I can’t really tell what constitutes female friendships. The women I have known that had what they characterized as many friends had many friends that they subtly felt superior to. The two I’m thinking of, they seemed to have more than a few observations about the challenges their friends were facing. Ha – even at one point, I remember quoting to one of them from Fight Club: “You got some fucked up friends!”
Lonely? I’ll tell you what. I’ll tell you lonely. A woman attracts men, has babies, raises them … she’s done something deeply powerful. I’ve raised three kids myself, but I’ll never feel the connection to them that their mother did – and at the end, they’ll grow up and leave, as they should, and I’ll be alone. That’s lonely. Now tell me, who pulled the shortest straw?

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“…and at the end, they’ll grow up and leave, as they should, and I’ll be alone.”

This is an entirely American construct, and an extremely sad one at that. People in the rest of the world do everything they can to keep their communities self-sufficient so as to keep families together.

Career is a tertiary consideration, but the U.S. is unfortunately starting to influence the rest of the world on this.

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I don’t know one from the other about it being American or otherwise, but it makes sense. I’m pretty sure America is one of the most mobile societies around. Additionally, various parts of America have more mobility than others.
My point is a bit more philosophical than that, however. My job as a father is to push them. Mothers have the luxury of being able to pull and to be soft and fuzzy. If a woman is lonely it’s because she is living the wrong damn life.

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There’s nothing wrong with both parents being loving. If you feel you need to “push” your kids away, then you have been culturally poisoned.

“living the wrong damn life” in the context you provide is essentially equivalent to saying a woman shouldn’t retire in America, which I wholeheartedly agree with. Many more facets of social life in the U.S. are broken aside from its young women.

Retiring in the States is something I will so my best to avoid, in spite of the weather.

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Yeah I find it disappointing the American work ethic is spreading, it is really fucked up. Why do all this work what are we really gaining? When I am on my deathbed I am not going to be wishing I had worked more, I will wish I had enjoyed life more and spent more time with people I love.

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The work ethic is among the reasons I moved to Europe and stayed. An enslaved work ethic is part of the programming included in “the less regulation, the better” despite its ill effects on society as opposed to the pocketbooks of the rich.

We all know now how much of that money actually comes “trickling down” in reality now that all the wealth is being wheeled into private tax havens.

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Thin skin = lower value. Should be removed based purely on dysfunctional behavior and insubordination. Thin skin = less qualified than male counterpart with same skill set otherwise. The 50 Shades of Gray area afforded to women needs to be closed so productivity and value can once again be recaptured by society, business, and socio-economics.

The most effective strategic and tactical systems known to date are the military and the mob. There’s few, if any females in hierarchical positions of power in either. Not a coincidence. Moreover, most (over 90%) Fortune 1000 companies holding a female at C-Level positions have failed or are failing. Men were meant to lead.

The ONLY reason women aren’t fired at an alarming rate is EEOC laws protecting them. Guys know what’s up, they’re forced to deal with women, when they don’t want to. There’s the occasional exception to the rule, but emotions don’t belong in logical strategic, and tactical operations, thus by default, the emotional gender doesn’t belong there either. You can have the beauty and mothering industries however.

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“When a man criticize me is just makes me want to either avoid them or prove them wrong.”

So because that’s how you were brought up or that’s how YOU react to it, you are convinced this is true of women in general? What a silly, self-involved, solipsistic creature you are.. i.e, the typical female.

Women do react strongly to shaming by men.. it just happens to be that the current feminist culture in which you have clearly been raised and influenced by has lessened the effect of male shaming on women.

You are right though that shaming by other women, and older women, especially shaming of sluts and promiscuous women, was essential in keeping women in line and ensuring the sluts didn’t ruin the chances of women securing committment and marriage from men.

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You might do better to choose a more appropriate protagonist, hv.

Plus, I think she might perchance know a bit more than you on the subject…

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She’s more intelligent and is more detached from her perceptions as well.

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That’s right.

What’s happened is that white men have been so discredited through the control of the media by anti-white groups, that they now lack their proper historic sense of group interest to act to shame their women where appropriate.

Through the same mechanism, some feel the need to jump through hoops to impress women (hence: game). If one should step up and shame a woman, there will be another who will use this as an opportunity to discredit him for some perceived advantage with the woman being criticized.

However, the moment white men ‘remember themselves’ and assert their natural position, collectively, this situation will change virtually overnight.

We need a bit of historic sense – look back at almost any period of European history from 2000 years ago or longer right up to 1945 (where it started to go astray).

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She clearly answered any questions to the very point we were making, that she might have had. Devalue the criticism of men. Well that’s literally removing all logic, by removing the logical gender’s criticism, and embracing ONLY what little logic (and emotion) the female elder’s have for them.

…. which are often wants-based emotional driven conjecture to begin with, so no “progress” (not progressivism) is made. The same ole cyclical redundancy error of society perpetuates.

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Really? Interesting to read!

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“Oh yeah. A man criticizes me and it just makes me defiant and combative against him. ”

You just outed yourself as a rebellious & contentious woman. No matter how intelligent you are, you are not good relationship/marriage material. You will never be a good mate choice for any man until you can, & will, submit & defer to a man that you respect.

If you ever find a man whose criticisms make you want to be a better person to please him…then, and only then, will you be ready to be a good mate/wife. I am sure the Wall or divorce & cats will get you first.

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All women feel like that, the good ones just submit. Consider the necessity of shit tests when viewed through that lens. That instinct needs a handle put on it, older women are an important part of that.

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Shaming works when alpha males do it. If Brad Pitt told women to stop coloring their hair blue and shave their god damn armpits, they would do it. Alpha males have better things to do than shame ugly women though.

Otherwise your analysis is spot on; very much the same conclusion I have come to over the years. Older women hate and resent younger women. They always have and they always will. Bitter, old women will always sabotage younger women. They don’t have any other purpose in life.

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“Older women hate and resent younger women. They always have and they always will.”
Actually nope. Not when the younger ones are their daughters or sisters. Well sisters – probably not so much.

A lot of mothers here were actually stupid enough to think that the “lesbian terrorists” dressed up as “do gooders rescuing women” were a good thing. They raised their daughters by telling them being an “independent women” is nice and they don’t need a man, that “slut shaming” is a bad thing and “male gaze” is what is oppressing them.

Anyone with half a brain could see that the people who manufactured these theories are bitter old cat ladies or downright political lesbians who deserted their families to further their political career.

But otherwise even when an “alpha male” .. (for now let’s define it as the man a woman really wants) shames a woman, the only thing I have seen is her taking it off on some poor beta doormat trying to get into her pants, and turn into an even bigger feminazi. Never an ounce of introspection. Don’t get me wrong, these same women dress up and try everything they can to bag these alpha males. Everything but these braindead theories they were brainwashed with.

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Insightful comments. I’m amazed at how few women acknowledge that slut-shaming is predominantly done by other women. Men don’t really shame women – it’s not really in their nature, in general. Maybe we curse at a woman we want who doesn’t want us, or we adopt a vaguely pitying expression when approached by a woman we truly would not bang, but we don’t do shaming.

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“Shaming from men is not going to change women at all.”
It would if it was PUBLIC POLICY like it used to be.
We all know you disrespect the man you are with, and so you don’t care if he shames you. But you’re scared as hell of peer pressure and societal pressure, and when you receive shame from THAT source, you women fold up like a cheap tent.
Of course, there is something that even the disrespected men in your own circle could do to reach you, and that I believe is what this article is really about: Abandon you. Leave you and your kind to your cats. Have at it.

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And who were the ones keeping the older generations of women in line?

Here’s a hint…it wasn’t women.

Don’t come here acting like you’re some kind of ally to us, or opposed to feminism. You’re another enabler of shitty behavior and nothing to be emulated.

If you knew your role as a woman, you’d be sticking up for the ideals that Roosh is putting forth. Instead, you condescend like the vapid cunt you are.

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I’ve never, ever been a fan of men shaming women for their sexual history. It’s really fucked up. I’m more concerned about STDs, and unplanned pregnancies than any personal judgment on a woman for her sexual choices. I don’t even know why men do it or what they hope to accomplish besides make women feel bad about having sex.

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It’s just expressing disgust, slut shaming doesn’t exist. Slut exposing does however.

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Slut shaming absolutely does exist, and often stops consentual, positive interactions from taking place. A girl’s friends shame her for dancing/talking with a guy she doesn’t know. I’ve seen it happen where the girl had NO ISSUE with the interaction. One real life example – a girl stopped sitting with me at work when all the other girls said she was pumping on me. Just talking one on one, not dating, not fucking. Guys shitting all over a girl when she reveals how many partners she has had. You can’t bitch about women being prudes and at the same time shame them for getting some dating experience before marriage. Pick one.

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Oh ok. I understand the false dichotomy now. I choose the non slut for relationships where emotional connections are relevant and one with a “lot of dating experience” (lol) when they’re not. Slut shaking doesn’t exist and is not a real thing. Sluts simply don’t handle being exposed well because they intuitively understand how it is viewed. Cmon ladies, are you strong and independent or do you need to control everyone else’s world view and life experiencewhich is it ?

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Its up to us. In whatever power we do have we try to ensure that a path is open for women to escape from toxic socialization and become well adjusted feminine women. Holding them accountable for their behavior. And making ourselves better men. If possible even exceed our great men of history.

This century even as we sojourn the earth briefly let’s make our time here count.

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women’s behavior is very much under control by the elite. they would never in a million years admit to that though.

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I commend you for reading zero hedge. Anyone down with Mises I can talk to rationally. It’s hard being a woman on ROK, but you know that already.

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Lol, what gave it away?

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If they can’t take the heat they don’t belong on ROK.

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“With that said, I’m tired of seeing the complaining about women.”

You’re missing the bigger symptom of society; that women can’t concede anything.

Man gets drunk and acts belligerent? His fault for getting drunk and not controlling himself.
Man gets in fight no matter the reason? His fault, shouldn’t have thrown a punch.
Man dates a woman who ultimately takes his money and screws him over? His fault, should have known better.
Man gets girl pregnant on accident? His fault, has to pay for the next 18 years.

Woman gets drunk and acts belligerent? Alcohol’s fault, or bystanders/friends for not controlling her.
Woman gets in a fight no matter the reason? Something/someone must have provoked her, never that she’s just a child.
Woman dates a man who ultimately takes her money and screws her over? She deserves better, that guy is an asshole.
Woman sleeps with a man and accidentally gets pregnant? Don’t worry, the state will take care of it.

I can go on and on, but the point is, women will never concede on anything or even offer a glint of responsibility for any of their actions. Whether it’s rape, crime, pregnancy, drunkenness, whatever, there are even certain things that us men will concede on that’s a problem with us and that we have a responsibility to fix. But never with women. I can’t even think of a single issue (and probably neither can you) where women will just own up and say “Yes, it’s a problem, and us ladies actually bear the brunt of the responsibility for it.” It’s either “Men do it worse” or “Men and women do it equally bad.” Never “Women do it worse.”

And that’s what these types of topics are about. For fuck’s sake, just take responsibility for SOMETHING. It doesn’t even have to be this particular issue, just something. We have millions of men from all parts of the world of all ages and races and cultures who are all saying the same thing, and yet it’s still never the woman’s fault. Nope, just men.

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So you respond to my comment by complaining about women?

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I’m giving you examples of how women in general take no responsibility for anything. When men just ask for one thing, it’s “male tears” or seen as “complaining.” Even when you question why men seem to “bash” women for their behavior and you’re given the exact reason why, you still call that complaining rather than reflecting on the reason given to you. It’s total circular logic.

It’s not a complaint, it’s an observation. Why do you see men “complaining” about women? Because in all of these instances and more, we get shafted. It’s that simple. Me giving you this reason isn’t a complaint of my own. It’s telling you why you see the “complaining.”

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The depression is hidden by printing even more dollars. Wait till the Chinese turn to a different stabilizing currency…

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I don’t respect the vast majority of men in this world. Why should women? Respect must be earned.

The problems of the Western World run very deep. Women certainly play their role and are responsible for much of the dysfunction, but they cannot shoulder all of the blame. We all know that women are followers. They will mold to fit whatever society they are in. Ultimately, the men in the West are to blame. Every thinking man in the manosphere knows this. Western men are weak. Plain and simple. The women are acting out because the balance is out of whack. I certainly hope Islam does not come in to fill the void.

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You are always logical and solid in your points Quintus, however, I must ask you to ponder this: Do women have any interest in whether or not men are happy or feel respected?

I propose that, no, they do not care. Men are seen as commodities. You are platinum one day and silver the next. They will trade you depending on the market. Just listen to the way b!tches talk…they focus on a man’s earning potential and social status..NEVER on his acheiving happiness UNLESS they stand to directly benefit from his doing so. MGTOW is inevitable, unfortunately. MGTOW will be the karmic rubber band that snaps back because of 100 years of feminism.

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I’d also add that women themselves would be much happier if they stopped for one second to think about anyone other than themselves. The more they chase their idiotic “dreams” and “liberation” the more miserable, and insane they seem to become.

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If anything, the Japanese are overworked, not underworked.

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The only thing here not passing the sniff test is your chlamydia-ridden vag, now piss off cunt.

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Exactly. It’s about systemic and out-of-control disrespect for men in generally. Women are like drunken Queens of Hearts who want to lop off every males head in a demonstration of her feminist power.

What brings me solace is to blow disrespectful bitches out of the water from time-to-time and call them out on their terrible behavior. And I”m not doing it politely either. Fuck that! Disrespect calls for disrespect — tit-for-tat. This is war man! Let beta boys respond like pussies.

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Lol, watchout though! If it becomes a war, the only people who would win are the lesbian terrorists who started this war with their agenda to fight patriarchy.

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lesbian terrorists

Any relationship to Lybian terrorists? Good one.

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They wish!
Although, if they were ….. they would certainly come up with new meanings for phrases like “Blood for blood”, “walking landmine” and what not.

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All the more reason for women to stay home, suck cock, and skip the first date expense (which they don’t feel, other than time, bc the guy pays anyways). More money and a better economy just turns girls into bigger flakes, and sluttier whores. << We tried that experiment with empowered career girls. Women get hired 2x more than men. You fall flat on all counts.

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“I highly doubt female behavior and flaking is causing men to drop out of the dating game all together.”

I do think the changed attitudes towards promiscuity etc.. have something to do with this. When sex has not many *direct* consequences anymore (babies for one), what exactly would tilt the scales towards “Carefully pick someone to stay with forever” as opposed to “Whatever brings the pleasure in the moment”? And the consequence of babies/abortion/lack hymen/whatever your local taboo was – used to primarily affect only women before, so there was a lot more demand for dating from there before – as compared to now? That’s why, I think “dating” meant something a lot more/different than just “finding the right person to love and whatnot” for our parents’/grandparents’ generation. I mean most of my friends closer to their 30s still think having babies/family is “optional. The world is overpopulated anyways”.

Although I don’t think economies have much to do with men dropping out of dating. Otherwise 2 people sharing the bills etc.. would be a lot more….. economical/fun than one person fiddling alone in their parents’ basement? Even I had a “no dating” rule for myself, when I was in between jobs. But I think it really was one of those carrots to keep me running. What I think made that rule quite ineffective, for me, was the easy availability of a ton of other entertainment options, that burned away a lot of my time.

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I think you are correct that economic circumstances are causing men to opt out of dating and marriage, with the other primary cause being punitive divorce and rape laws.
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In terms of economics, the manufacturing sector is dead and jobs that can support a household on a single income are largely a thing of the past. Men are also being pushed out of the academy and white collar work.
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The Baby Boomers descended on the economy like a plague of locusts, pushing housing prices out of reach of the next generation, racking up $20 trillion in debt, and setting themselves up for social security and health care at someone else’s expense.
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For a guy in his 20s or 30s, why bother? Why even attempt to have a family? Buy a car, buy an X-Box, live in the basement or maybe get your own modest apartment.

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Why is the economy so bad? Does it help that jobs have been shipped overseas and the government is chock full of female advisors and paper pushers on fat salaries?

The U.S. doesn’t produce anything of value anymore other than entertainment and precious weapons.

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“I highly doubt female behavior and flaking is causing men to drop out of the dating game all together”

Well you’re wrong… I wonder how many times you got flaked on, without or at last minute notice. I can assure you it is extremely infuriating and humiliating.

It doesn’t mean of course that we all consequently drop out of the dating game but be assured it is killing the respect and last sense of chivalry we men feel towards women, who will experience the backlash very hard soon.

Personally, when I’m in a highly competitive environment (Eastern European capitals are no longer an exception as regards flaking), I always flake on the first date, a couple hours in advance.

This is how I bang the hottest girls… I disrespect them first. I find it sad but I’m merely adapting to them.

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Sure that is a factor, but look at Africa/The third world…..people continue to multiply. You could make excuses, but then you lose to the man with his wife in a burka, living 3 generations and 10 people to a house. Nature doesn’t care about excuses.

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I don’t know man, this stuff doesn’t sound very convincing. What do you base your assumptions on? You are a well known american womanizer living in a polish second tier city, why you think a girl should stay loyal to you when she probably knows everything about you? My deduction is that they might enjoy the idea of having sex with you, after all you are a man with experience and tight game, and perhaps also the sex itself. But then they move on, looking for a more reliable guy, probably a local one. We all know that polish girls don’t dislike a ride with a cool foreigner once in a while, but then more often than not they end up settling with a polish, perhaps beta, dude.
So yes, girls flake. They do it after sex too. And they do it especially if they know, or sense, that you are a player. Bet your ass if you had serious intentions with them (girlfriending/wifing them up) they wouldn’t.
Accept the reality for what it is dude, and please don’t mislead other men making them think that your personal, limited experience can be taken as a paradigm for what actually happens between men and women out there in the world.

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I wouldn’t try going down the boyfriend route with a young Polish girl. You’re in for a world of pain if you go in with that mindset. Remember it is a carousel nation. Doing what you suggest is like bringing flowers on a first date with a NYC 25-year-old lawyer.

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Dude, if you are a man with game and value, the girl will stick on you, no matter which country you are in. Come on guys, let’s go back to reality for a little while.

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You don’t really need no game if you are loaded with money, wealth and have status in the society.
Any North American girl has a dream to sell herself to the highest male bidder on a dating market!

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Eh, maybe. Just because she wants his money doesn’t mean she wants his cock. Plenty of young, hot beauties willingly fuck broke, methed-out biker bad boys.

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It’s a carousel nation because girls when go out drink gallons of vodka. Bet your ass when they sober up they could change their mind about the cock they rode.

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Yes!

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So what if women flake? They know we are trying to extract as much sex as possible with committing the least amount of our resources.Flaking is a natural counter to this. Now on the other hand, If a man is trying to court and genuinely seek a long term relationship with a woman who flakes then she is not worthy of his attention…move on to the next one.

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Doesn’t flaking actually *encourage* the hookup culture at the expense of real committed relationships? I don’t see the implication here.

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Yes, This is part of my point although I did not say it as such.
The implication is that we are a community originally founded as and by players/pua/seducers or whatever title you wish to use. While there has been and should be a wide variety of men in this movement we shouldn’t forget that our primary goal is the most amount of frequent sex with as many different women as we choose. Flaking is a natural part of their defense and we should simply recognize it as such. I think I will write a post on what I do (and have done) when a woman flakes on me.

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For the hardcore players yes.
I bet the original majority of PUAs were just dudes who didn’t want to be incels anymore. Lots of guys can be happy in a relationship with a girl they can build a life with.
PUA has gained so much traction because our culture is lost.

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I agree. Wow this is refreshing. Yes if she knows you’re a player who has no intention of sticking around why should she commit to anything with you? But girls who lead on and then flake genuine guys who actually are looking for something real are true witches. Those kinds of girls make all girls look bad.

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And the sad reality is that girls who flake on genuine guys are doing so because the bad boy/player stole her attention (and that is who she is going out with instead).

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He writes “Once men of higher value start giving up, and it’s only a matter of time if current trends continue, I wonder where women will find their golden eggs.”

It can be seen in many nations that, the higher the value of the men, not only are the women themselves of higher value, but also behave better. The worst women tend to be in places where the average man is a liberal fag, and where the SMV of the average man is already at a historical low.

If certain men pull out, or the downward trend of male SMV continues, you can only expect female misbehaviour to increase.

However, this is not an issue. Value is value, and that is universal. Despite there being significantly more flaking in the West, a high-value man will always do better in Western countries than he would in the FSU. The sex ease is a major factor that offsets whatever effect flaking could have on results. In the FSU, a high-value man would perhaps find himself with more dates, because the women certainly are more serious about finding a man. They see a greater long-term human value in men than do their Western counterparts. However, Western girls are so ridiculously easy, that the effort-to-lay ratio could very well be 3 or 4 times better in the West, despite flaking. Needless to say, you will get much hotter and much sweeter girls in the FSU, if quality for an LTR is the only factor in consideration, the FSU is the no-brainer option. However, if fun times with relatively nice girls (of which there are many in the West, Western girls are not the cunts they are played up to be by what seems mostly omega males in Internet chatrooms) is the goal, Western countries are the best choice.

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Whats FSU ?

NoCanadian
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Former Soviet Union.

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I have noticed a trend in Australia where high SMV men are being very careful with the women they are dating. These guys are tall/wealthy and understand how they can get ruined by misandric laws that would see them pay out half of what they own. These guys make sure there is no paper trail that says they have cohabited and while they are banging their LTRs for years will not marry or let these women move in. Like Roosh, these guys don’t have an answer about how to settle down like their forefathers did before them. The answer can’t simply be not to have children because this goes against your biological imperitive.

It’s funny, when I was poor I could bed women with Game but they wouldn’t stick around because I had low value being unemployed. After almost a decade I’m now wealthier than I ever hoped to be but now I dread the idea of marrying a western woman whom will inevitably divorce me, take half, garnish my earnings via child support and then marry another guy and then possibly have kids with him. I’m going to Ukraine in 2016 and I’m going to see what’s out there… Wish me luck.

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I’ve left Canada 7+ years ago and now I’m living in Ukraine with my wife and my kids.
Eastern Europe is another universe compared with the Western world. Yes, women do flake here as well, but it does happen once in a blue moon and women generally know that if you treat someone with respect you’ll get that respect back.

North American females will always have a line up of desperate and sex hungry males ready and willing to cater to ANY possible or even impossible demands and requirements thus they can behave like Princesses without ever being afraid to hear anything back from a male.

I keep wondering why North American males are still trying to get anything positive from USA or Canada. You ain’t gonna nothing but trouble and stress!
Pack your bags and move out asap. You’ll never regret it!

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There is the idea that European women are so much better than women in the U.S. Surely that is true because our culture is not as American. But we also have Dr.Phill on the TV telling women they deserve more. We also have those commercials where the father is the sucker and mother knows everything. We also have countless magazines that tell women it’s good to fuck around under the pretense of self-development. Western Europe may be better yes, South America as well, but forget all the countries where Germanic languages are spoken, for those are all infested with feminism.

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West Europe < East Europe

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I’ve been living in China 3 out of the last 4 years. I will be here for the conceivable future. I seem to have locked down a beautiful girl. If that doesn’t work out I completely dread the idea of going back to Canada a re-entering the dating scene there.

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all the smart ones are getting the fuuk out. america will become a complete wasteland of imbeciles and fatties. a few 9s and 10s to cater to the elite.

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I’m beginning to think perhaps the answer as far as reproduction goes is surrogacy. Hire a surrogate to have your child (or children) and spin plates indefinitely. Not the ideal answer by far, but the way things are going this may simply be the only way to go moving forward in our increasingly degenerate world.

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How about just leaving the western world for good and finding yourself a normal and respectful Eastern European lady?

Quintus Curtius
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What did you do for income there? Did you get a job? Serious question.

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1. I do teach English on a professional level as well as I do some private swimming coaching.
2. We also have a smaller resort facility on the Black Sea and I’m busy there during summer season, from May to late September.
3. Options are plenty here if one wants to notice and use them!
4. Feel free to ask me anything you’d like to know! And if you prefer e-mail communication-just let me know and I’ll write my e-mail here.

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What country are you in ?

UnCanadian
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Ukraine

Tom Dane
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K thanks

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That’s great, man. I’m glad you found a way to make it work out. Hearing these stories motivates me too. Please consider writing a short article about your experience for ROK. I think people would love your insights. (Email instructions on submissions are found at the site.)

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Sure, wouldn’t be a problem! I can share my experiences and insights with others with great pleasure!!

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Hey man, please also post your experiences and story on westernwomensuck.com. Just leave a comment or something. The men there need to hear more success stories like yours.

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But how do I post a story there? I don’t seem to be able to find an option do to that.

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I would just pick a random article from that blog and post a comment giving a summary of your story after you left Canada. It will probably elicit some responses. I’m sure you’ll find some content that you can relate to. Maybe this one?

http://www.westernwomensuck.com/2015/06/18/never-ever-marry-an-american-woman/

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The author of that blog (me) is accepting articles from guest authors: Call to all writers http://www.westernwomensuck.com/2015/09/14/call-to-all-writers/

You can always just post your comments on any article you see that is interesting. http://www.westernwomensuck.com

And then there are the forums: http://forums.westernwomensuck.com/ A little slow as of yet, but growinng.

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Don’t get me wrong. Leaving the west is indeed the final game plan. I am looking into Eastern Europe and South America (being a man of color Asia is not an option). However, according to things I have been reading by Roosh and on the forum things are getting progressively worse in those areas. I may be starting to sound like a broken record here, but the fact remains that by the time I am financially able to expatriate (just turned 20 last week), these last bastions of tradition and feminine women may have become totally westernized. Ergo why I mention surrogacy as a means of passing along my genes.

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Oh, I see… You are just 20 y.o. Yeah, it does make a difference. One absolutely HAS TO be ready to make a permanent move and it takes time, effort and money, true that. The best age to move is around 30 when you are still young but already educated, grown up and possess some life wisdom and experience.
10 years is a loooong time in the modern world. I honestly hope that you’ll still be able to experience all the good things Eastern Europe can offer you.

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I spent some time dating recently in EE; while the women there are much more sweet, polite and respectful when you’re in their company, there is still the issue of flaking.

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If you had half a brain you would go to Scandinavia or Germany, as socialist as they are, as a man of color.

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“passing along my genes”
LOL… because everyone MUST do that!

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You want to be a genetic dead-end? Be my guest. Doesn’t appeal to me.

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Yea, this world has a real population issue…
Also, everyone…& I mean EVERYONE must pass along those awesome genes & have those accidental babies they weren’t prepared for. More tax payers, right?

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Yea, this world has a real population issue…
Also, everyone…& I mean EVERYONE must pass along those awesome genes & have those accidental babies they weren’t prepared for. More tax payers, right?
Some people may just want to live & enjoy life. A kid is no guarantee of happiness. & many people that have them shouldn’t

Da Mac
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Might you have figured out yet that it is unnatural developments and behavior that has led to the unnatural problems the whole movement is all about?

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Got any better ideas the way things are going? I’m open to suggestions.

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Do you have a better solution? If so, I’m all ears.

Da Mac
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Interact with a part of the world that isn’t so degenerate, or learn to play the game in the anglosphere better.

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Buddy, I’m not counting on there being a non-degenerate, or even less degenerate, part of the world by the time I’m financially secure.

Da Mac
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You might want to start with the premise of offering your kids love instead of yourself kids.

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Good luck

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One thing you can do is be stealthy about your wealth. No one besides my banker knows how much cash I have. I drive a car I could sell for about $13k; my shoe of choice is converse all stars; I buy shorts at Wal-Mart for the summer but I stick with Levi 501s in the winter. I wear no jewelry. I used to drink wine and vodka and get all into pricey drinks but now it’s coors light all the way.
Money buys me the time to make myself buff. Not that I take advantage of it, of course.
Chicks don’t have any business getting any whiff of your cash, anyway. Or if they do, talk like a pimp and tell them women pay you.

Scott Anderson
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John, whether or not you marry a Ukrainian Woman, there is a way to protect your nest egg, with 100% certainty. You can protect your car, house, bank account and even your stocks from anyone including your spouse – so long as you set it up right. Problem with marrying a Ukrainian Woman is that you have to be very very careful that she’s not just looking for a green card. Or worse yet, a green card and half of your stuff.

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“I’m going to Ukraine in 2016 and I’m going to see what’s out there… Wish me luck.”

The Ukraine is a mess. You’re better off going to Russia. Or, you could get the best of both worlds by going to the Crimea (now reunited with Russia). which was the best part of the Ukraine until the US backed Kiev Nazi puppet junta happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1zvb_ottiw

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Reunited? Stolen is more accurate. & your video has no credibility because it is ‘RT’ which is basic propaganda. & if you haven’t done your research, rite now, Ukraine isn’t ablaze, they are not all cannibals & life there is normal. Also, I’ve been to both countries. Ukraine s more normal than Russia. My dream is to visit Yalta in Crimea…but I will not spend money that will be funneled to Russia now. & money goes alot further in Ukraine than Russia. Much better value. & if safety is your concern, there is no KGB in Ukraine so you’ll be far safer there than Russia.

Here is a fact, Russia (including Crimea) is a major pain in the @$$ to enter. You have to jump through a lot of hoops.

Heres the sh*t I had to go through to spend 15 days in Ekaterinburg: You will need to pay for the invitation, then pay the consulate & you will need to register when you arrive. Regulations are very painful, do not expect to travel very far without some sort of support. The visa regulations for Russia are costly, tedious & take a lot of time.

You may also need to supply proof of medical insurance, copies of bank statements, a letter from your employer & more.

If you wish to travel for longer than 30 days you may need establish some “contacts” who can help you arrange a business or special visa.

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How is RT any worse than mainsewer Western media, propaganda-wise? Crimea has nothing to do with Ukraine. Before it was artificially transferred in 1954 to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic by Khrushchev (who was Ukrainian), it was either under Tatar or Russian rule. Ukrainians were never more than a tiny minority of Crimean population.

I understand healthy skepticism towards Russian media, but believing Western propaganda instead is no better.

Oh, and a Russian visa is much easier to get if you don’t have an American passport.

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First off, all nations have some form of propaganda. But Russia takes it to another level…so much so, that the state controls the National media & there is no Freedom of speech like in USA. Then news anchors quit & are murdered…It has happened. & I never said Western media wasn’t corrupt.
Also, yes, in terms of Russian visa, I was speaking as a Yankee. So, yes. A Russian visa sucks to try to get.
& the people of Crimea were quite happy being Ukraine. I interviewed several. & now, several find themselves outside the state.

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Ukraine is awesome. I have been there 3 times. The women are wonderful to date & spend time with & the country & culture is awesome too.
I recommend Berdyans’k, Odessa & Zaporozhye. I’m currently trying to move there.

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“I wonder where women will find their golden goose”

Sounds very ominous, except I thought about it and remembered about how society rarely ever lets women fail. There are simply too many bail outs in the form of family, thirsty men, and government programs set up to push the woman to success.

I bet you many women believe they they are the golden goose now. Many of them go to college and professional schools with the help of affirmative action then get jobs later because companies want to fill their female quotas… Sometimes I just want to live in the wastelands of Madmax just to see how everything would play out.

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Too bad professionalism is an odd thing in the West these days. It’s all about political correctness, affirmative action, quota hiring, about having the right skin color, sexual orientation, right gender or plain out being some lesbian or intersexual freak.

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“I bet you many women believe they they are the golden goose now.”

I concur. There is so much advertisement/entertainment whose sole purpose is to pucker their asses.

I love watching the the face of a woman in her mid-thirties, who is slowly realizing that she does not have the majestic life that the media promised her. She spent years believing that she was Jennifer Lawrence in the Hunger Games, that Indian chick in Quantico, etc.

On some level, women today are like 40 year old men who think that the WWE is a real fight. They are unable to separate entertainment from reality.

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Just for fun browse female ads on PlentyOfFish and the see the %% of 30+ y.o. females who ain’t got no kids and haven’t had any meaningful relationship.

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I am always amazed that, even though they are hitting the wall, many are still arrogant and mean spirited.

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MOST are. Not many, but MOST! They still think that they are Princesses and Beauty Queens in one package and every male should be at their feet ready and willing to obey every order he’s given.
And funny enough they seem too easily find those males who are willing too go extra 10 miles in order to get a sniff of a female pussy.

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“And funny enough they seem too easily find those males who are willing too go extra 10 miles in order to get a sniff of a female pussy.”

The brutal irony is that these women are not interested in their legions of supplicating suitors. They feel that only 1% of men (or less) are worthy of licking the crust off their toe nails.

We talk about men finding their “unicorn,” but the modern woman’s unicorn is far more elusive. Not even Tom Brady could meet their ever changing demands.

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Of course they are NOT interested! Modern North American women have a dream/goal to sell themselves to the HIGHEST male bidder on a dating market! Obviously there will always be someone with a higher “value” thus this search cycle never ends, women never settle down with someone and males desperately keep playing “white knights”.

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Just browsed POF and it’s literally just about all that’s there. Very ugly women in the majority who genuinely believe they’re golden princesses. Kids & no kids included. The one’s with kids especially come off bossy, like they even hold a solid hand at the gaming table. Paleeeze.

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RIGHT ON, pal! Perfect observations! SPOT ON!

Canadian/North American women suffer from “Princess” syndrome and totally expect males to behave like slave, robots and puppets with WOMAN being the Master!

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I just read a response from a fairly cute 31yo named similar to: AllAboutMe12345 that said “nice” to my response to her inquiry about “what are you looking for.” I said:

“I’m looking for a particularly solipsistic narcissist. If you’re not all about you, well then I just can’t be me. I also intend to objectify myself for your consumption should we meet. You know that sounds prefect.. it’s Ok.”

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Good one;))

Da Mac
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I’m sure you’ll be sleeping with her tomorrow… ::eyesroll

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And how many of them have 1 or more child. I guess half of them.

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Nope, I’d say only about 20% max have kids.. Most have no kids and haven’t been in a relationship for a period longer than 1 year.

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My observations are different. Most 30 year olds on dating sites have children. The ones that don’t have them mostly have an higher education. Single-motherhood in my own country rises every year.

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“I love watching the the face of a woman in her mid-thirties, who is slowly realizing that she does not have the majestic life that the media promised her.”

This is being said all the time, that women who miss the boat will become catladies. I’m sure that to an extent they will, while the majority will settle for some beta-provider guy they don’t actually want. But as a 30 yo guy I really don’t see these old 40 year old spinsters who missed the boat. They are like invisible to me. Maybe they are good at hiding their failed lives.

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1. It’s “cat AND dog ladies”;))) Joking, you know;) You are totally right about this one.

2. Good to know that YOU have balls to ignore such kind of females! Cause most males are ready willing to go 10 extra miles just to get a sniff of a female pussy! ANY pussy!

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I’ve had 50 year old women flirting with me. I don’t want to sound arrogant, but I’m not going to reward them for being spinsters with giving them attention. Whenever I’m at the gym and one looks at me for more than 2 seconds I look away. Surely there are guys who will put their dick in old women, but not me. In about 20 years…maybe.

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Good to know that you have guts to live the life you want and to have your own values! Most males do not possess this quality.

I honestly suggest that you move out and settle in Eastern Europe (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus). It’s a different world here.

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No joke, older plate I occasionally mercy fuck just texted me a pic of her new kitten.

Da Mac
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Just go to the grocery store in any major city and open your eyes.

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I know. Surely they are everywhere, but they are off the radar. I’ve been a member of a datingsite in the past and every 30+ year old woman on there is full of resentment.

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Invisible to me too. I’ve trained myself to ignore them. It’s actually gotten to the point where I’m forgetting shit like “Did I order ‘x’?” when I’m in a restaurant because my waitress is a 30+ y/o hag, for example. I can’t remember what I ordered 15 seconds ago because I had to interact with one of them. In my mind, it’s akin to talking to a can of paint or a box of motor oil.

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Well said, but be careful what you wish for. As bad as things are now, we are living in the calm before the storm.

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It’s less flakiness and more sluttiness that is the problem.

GRock
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Not sure I agree, as the 2 are often directly related. I find it more flakiness and more sluttiness… just open (with spread haunches) to too many options.

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It’s flakiness and sluttiness.
Realizing a girl is a slut removes her from the marriage pool.
Getting flaked on by average girls makes me disregard women altogether.
When women flake on good guys you know that society is on its way down. Time to move the fuck on or become a degenerate.

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“I wonder where women will find their golden eggs” ~ from the corporation as boyfriend/provider and the Federal Govt as alpha/protector. Corporations employing Affirmative Action/Quota hiring programs and all female Human Resources dept. ensure women get their money and a ‘sexy’ job. There’s a golden goose.

Voting in Divorce Laws, Domestic Violence Laws, Child Support model of parenting laws are more golden geese which ensure a ‘women don’t need no man’ to have it all.

Then there’s Title IX Enrollment Requirements, Yes Means Yes and ‘Rape Culture’ at the university level effectively reducing males from higher education combined with Equality, Diversity and Tolerance designed to create a slave class work force and a large immigrant voting block to perpetuate and maintain the feminist’s golden geese…

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Sad but true, this right here ecapsulates it very well.

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The more obvious it is to men that women are scheming and planning, the more men will start to question their position in society. And they will find Redpill material soon enough. For all you English natives it’s better than in other countries, because it seems that the most Red pill writers are native English speakers. In my own country there isn’t even a real voice for men. No red pill. There is a PUA community, but even that one is past its peak for years. Maybe I should create a website. I know I could create a national shitstorm by just translating material. The material would be deemed sexist and hateful right away, because free speech is only allowed when it’s the “right” speech. The Netherlands therein is no different than any other nortern european county.

Ontopic: There is a lot of anger with young men. They’re full of testosterone, but we all know the pareto principle that tells us that 80% of women lust after 20% of guys. And to a large extent that is true.

Once young men find out about the red pill, like us guys, and become more attractive in their late 20’s, early 30’s (in different areas of their lives) they will transform that anger in a refusal to marry and generally to commit to women. Now many of these men will forget their hard twenties as soon as “good poon” presents itself, but many won’t forget the hardships they went trough and will question the nature and honesty of women and their mendacious sexual strategy for the rest of their lives. For they know that she now needs stability after years of partying which is nothing more than sucking and fucking as a mean to reach some nirvana of individual freedom.

Are women killing the golden goose? Yes. With a large number of men questioning women’s sexual history there will always be a feeling of resentment with men and a refusal to do the expected thing: cohabit, marry and create offspring. Instead men will happily exploit their own peak sexuality while 30-40 women hit the wall and settle for less, become single mothers with thugs and live in much worse financial positions than when they would have made other choices.

Now I have to add something. MGTOW is not an option. It’s forswearing women out of helplessness. They say they don’t want sex, but I don’t believe them. The younger they are the bigger the facade. Instead learning game and improving your sexual attractiveness will do you good.

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Could you please tell me WHY men even need anything like “red pill” or any other “magic tricks” to take them to the promised land??
I never knew anything about the red pill nor I participated in any PUA movements.
How come I always knew how to stand my own grounds, to respect myself, to have an own opinion, to dare to differ and to stand up and be counted????
And WHY can’t modern males do the same??? What is the problem and WHY is it so hard then for THEM??

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Sure, I can tell you why men need to learn about “red pill” awareness . We men have been blinded from reality by a decade of Disney movies, anti-masculine teachers, parents and civil servants. We look at our parents who married in a different age. An age without instant-messaging, Tinder and birthcontrol for every girl from age 14 and up.

Many, if not all of us have been raised with the idea that women are helpless creatures. That women are loyal in relationships, that they will do the expected thing, that they don’t follow the script of a dualistic mating strategy, jokingly referred to as “Alpha fucks/ beta bucks”.

If your father, your friend, your uncle follows the script of beta-provider and thinks it’s normal that his present wife had multiple times more sexual partners than him, do you think he will be the person to instruct you about the truth?

Good for you that you are aware of what goes on, but most men won’t ever believe the scheming and planning women do. Be it unconscious most of the times.

BTW, there is no promised land. I see TRP as the backbone of PUA. It’s just psychology. It explains why women act like they do, not only how to play them in order to get sex.

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1. You seem to have a long list of people/circumstances to blame but fail to realize that western males are the ones who should be blamed first and foremost! It ain’t that hard to open one’s eyes, look around and see what’s really going on.
2. Thus I never needed anyone to “instruct” me about the truth, I simply dared to see and acknowledge the truth!!! Again, it ain’t that hard if one actually WANTS to see and to know the truth!!
3. You always kinda take the blame off a modern western male!
But HE IS ENTIRELY to blame for the current state of things in dating, politics, and society in general!
Modern males allowed and accepted as well as promoted political correctness, multiculturalism, affirmative action, quota hiring, tolerance and other shit. And now they are getting the “results” of their OWN lack of balls.

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You’re making a painful attempt to judge the situation from the outside looking in, but you do have a point in that the men on these sites try to pin all the blame on feminists instead of acknowledging their own significant degradation as a group.

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Men brainwashed for a LIFETIME of psychological damage by lousy single-parent Feminist mothers ARE NOT THE BLAME for being emotionally damaged & psychologically warped.

Women enacted this decades-long scheme to turn men into slaves and the result was the Liberal scum flooding White nations with violent rapist criminal invaders. In short, women tried to seize all the money and power by brainwashing their boys into hating masculinity and the result was NATIONAL INVASION by even scummier and less-employable men. This is a bed Feminist women created and these days are the poisoned chickens coming home to roost and enslave them.

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Private_Eyescream, bit offtopic, but I’ve seen you upped a lot of my comments. Are you Dutch?

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And then some of us had abusive fathers we “ran” away from and are just so confused that we dont bother.

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Even if you are on a plane hijacked by a terrorist. Its still your responsibility to be able to react the best you can to the situation and overcome the threat if possible.

We do not have control over criminals that may try to rob us or kill us but we do have control over ourselves to arm up,train up and be aware of the threats facing us taking appropriate measures.

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But first you have to recognize that the plane was hijacked. If the terrorists board the plane dressed as pilots and attendants (having killed and hidden the real ones beforehand) and play the role well, you won’t know that you’re flying towards the Pentagon instead of Hawaii.

The hardest part is waking people up. Once they realize the shit they’re in, they’ll usually continue down the rabbit hole on their own.

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One cant know everything. You can only do what you can with the tools you are given. Or potentially create.

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Some men need help. Hence, some form of organized movement to counter the destructive (whether you want to acknowledge it or not) feminist movement was called for.

Is that too abstract for your “superior” self to wrap your head around?

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We’re not using “RedPill” any more. We’re using “Neo-Masculinity”
(Although I will admit, RedPill has a nicer ring to it…)

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I disagree.

The Red pill and MGTOW are not synonyms.
The red pill is the knowledge that’s lead to a change of point of view. It describes the female nature, and specially their dualistic sexual programming and the hypergamous nature. With knowing the truth about women’s sceming and planning you can go different ways. You can go celibate and forswear women, what “MGTOW” tend to do, or you can tell yourself that woman’s nature is just the way it is and you have to adapt and steer it like a chauffeur. Not giving up women but wanting to change yourself her maybe even society > Neo-masculinity.

I like the concepts Roosh described, but I think the name isn’t all that good. Masculinity never went away, it is suppressed by western society. There is nothing new about it. It’s a given. But it’s the masculine men that profit from the abundance of weak men.

When you are masculine: you approach, you don’t care about rejection because it’s a given, you plan your life and follow your dreams and not the ones of a female (having a family).

How many guys say “yes” to cohabiting the first time their partner proposes it? Too many! Because they are dependent and think they live in a world of scarcity. And when you think you are no good, haven’t had sex for years you might even shrug in helplessness and go MGTOW, while if you step out of your comfort-zone you could be a man who lives in sexual abundance and is way less bitter about women’s nature. Because it is what it is.

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Well written you should think about starting a blog in Dutch. I’ve been watching videos of GW and getting the impression that the Netherlands are getting less politically correct…

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Just the other day I was at a museum expo and mentioned to an exhibiting artist(e) how I had a date to the last expo, and the bitch flaked. It turns out she double booked and I half forgot, half didnt care to call her back. The woman said “Well, you missed out.” No, SHE missed out. I had a nice time at the expo. That really speaks to where we are as a society.

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You have the correct attitude.

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Roosh,guys – don’t panic-no matter how much they flake – tonight,there will be someone who will fuck them in all holes-someone who isn’t better than You…so-it is very simple – YOU MUST BE THAT GUY! wink

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And WHY?? Why should anyone try and get back the person with such kind of a flaky attitude?? Ain’t that humiliating??

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No, never allow some bitch to humiliate You…when i start to feel flaking i often write her what i really think about it,and often i say something rude at the end – just to surprise her-and that’s really funny, how often i get immediate response to that kind of message…it leads to nothing,but i do it just in the name of truth…

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This comment says nothing. He isn’t better, but he isn’t you. Right…
If a woman flakes on me 2 times, she’s out. Doesn’s matter how much I want to bang her. She will only resent you for being weak if you chase her.

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You are absolutely right-i just wanted to say,that it is still a numbers game…complete waste of time to chase a girl who flakes on you..

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Call her out on it and fuck one of her friends

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I think what you have identified here is simply men’s in-built, automatic reaction to women that are out of control.

Think about it, what do you do, as a man, when your women is completely out of control – when no words or action on your part will get here to behave?

You walk away. She comes into a room, you leave, she talks to you, you don’t respond, she calls or texts, you don’t reply.

This is not premeditated, it’s simply instinctive – you simply cannot stand to be around her. It’s instinctive because it it’s there for a reason; it works. Nothing is more painful to a woman than being ignored.

And this is what is happening on a societal scale. Men, as a group, are walking away from women, as a group. THIS is the dynamic that will be at the root of the re-set. It always has and always will. Male dis-engagement

Men have got a lot more walking away to do before that happens though.

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“Nothing is more painful to a woman than being ignored.” << only if by a top 10%er or less. As I've witnessed on many occasions, within moments they're either text-responding to one of the next 10 in line orbiting, or creating a stand-off of ignoring one another where they neither will respond, or immediately become responsive to real-time in-person flirting and/or sex with another.

The question remains, how much of being that top 10%er is effort worth attributing to having quality relations with women, rather than solely focused on yourself minus concern of getting laid? You can easily be in the top 10%, and with no constant upgrading of your game skills, you're barely better off than the rest of the pack.

Having no concern at all with getting laid typically sends you on the MGTOW path re. women, like it or not. Bitches don't fall from the sky for anyone, except stars. As we all know, they're getting burned on the regular once involved with western princesses as well. Volume takes time. Quality takes time. There's no way around it.

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I don’t disagree – but I wasn’t really talking about one-on-one interactions. My point is that Roosh has identified, imo, a much wider dynamic than men’s response to flaking; male disengagement in general.

Not just from women specifically, but from society, or at least, the expectations that society (read women) have of them. Men increasingly discarding all the metrics by which men have traditionally been measured and finding new ways to test and measure themselves – things that have meaning to them as men.

We see it in the rejection of marriage, in the the declining numbers of men studying useless credentials, in the growing awareness of game, the push-back against SJWs, the mainstream misandrist articles swamped with red-pill comments, the increasing numbers of men who never have and never will put a woman on a pedestal. All of these things work against the best interests of women, as a group.

And the most powerful aspect of this is that it is organic. There is no ‘central control’, no formal organizations coordinating it all. Just millions of men surveying their environment and reacting rationally to it. Each finding their own way forward whether it includes women or not.

It can’t be controlled and it can’t be stopped.

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What’s especially surprised me lately is knowing a small handful of top tier men, who can easily have their pick of the most desirable women. More than 50% of these guys are exercising risk aversion by, at most, occasionally banging a hottie, but not even partaking in the game as a whole.

To quote one when speaking of the dating market lately:”It’s just not worth all that risk, why would I want to put everything I am, all I’ve accomplished on the line? You won’t see me being that dumb.”

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Indeed, it is becoming apparent to more and more men that feminism has resulted in men being asked to risk everything they’ve achieved, everything they are and everything they are yet to be when they get seriously involved with a woman.

It’s no wonder men are walking away. No one wins when feminism comes to town,

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“soon your more logical brain will take overand start convincing yourself to modify your behavior to avoid the flaking”

Ah.. yeah. It’s called self respect. And with the extreme cuntish behaviors men have to deal with, then NOT playing the game = best choice of all.

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I keep telling this over and over: it’s ALL about self respect!!!
Males have to learn how to respect themselves before any other actions, “game”, flirting etc.

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“I keep telling this over and over: it’s ALL about self respect!”

Eventually the flaking epidemic hits enough critical mass, guys just pound it out to porn. And what guy is going to be even remotely interested in marriage. It was stated once it is a good idea to invest in companies that make cat food and vibrators.

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It’s pretty sad when jerking off seems more dignified than spending time with the average woman.

Morrison
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Indeed.

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It used to be that if you made plans with someone, and they didn’t show, they hadn’t merely “flaked” (“flaking” barely existed as a concept, and was a behavior only associated with drug addicts, or some other chronic loser-type…and was usually something that happened among men, rather than in a dating/romantic/sexual context), but had “stood you up,” and it was considered one of the gravest of social sins. But its no longer permissible to criticize anything narcissistic girls get up to any longer, so their despicable behavior has been downgraded to merely “flaking.”

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“As long as women are encouraged to shop around for men”

As long as women are encouraged to always think that regardless of the current man man she’s spreading her legs for will never ever be good enough.

Fixed, and with much respect to the author.

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“It used to be that men who were socially awkward would drop out first, but in the next ten years you will see accomplished, ambitious, and even top 10% handsome men drop out of the sex game simply because women keep abusing the goose”

A while back the guy that wrote “The Misandry Bubble” claimed that women could be replaced by vr sex technology. Not sure how realistic that might be, but even if such a thing was developed the powers that be would ban it. They know how to manipulate men via mens sex drive, and vr sex would absolutely neutralize the stronghold eomrn currently have.

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I agree re. the sexbot ban. They don’t want the slaves to break all shackles. The playing field consists of varying ranges of giving any/every girl everything she wants, any time she wants, on demand, immediately, or else someone pays. Paying won’t be an option, someway, some how (be it taxes or legislation) you’ll have to pay.

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A.M.A.Z.I.N.G!

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This is the extreme versions but the sad truth is that so many womens egos in the west will get inflated to epic portations, watch in horror, unfortunatly there are some rich idiots and betas feeding this beast

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This is the extreme versions of flaking but the sad truth is that so many women’s egos in the west will get inflated to this epic scale soon, watch in horror, unfortunately there are some rich idiots and betas feeding this beast.

I’m still single and have been in the face of flakes after 3 years of approaches and getting myself out there many times but one thing is for sure I’m no fucking push over and my state of mind is more important than any princess, ego inflated women.

Hopefully there is still hope in finding a decent women, who knows anymore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnltM5iJzbc

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It’s a good realization that these skanks can only go as far as their declining looks will let them go. After 35 the game is over for them. And because they don’t developed any marketable skill and spend all their “earned” money on stupid designer items they’ll have to live on catfood. Or they will have to settle for some beta-douchebag they don’t really want. In the last part of the video you see that mediocre looking woman all upset and sad at the same time because her scheming didn’t pay of. Under the facade of the happy “attractive” rinser they are like that all the time. They must be unhappy knowing that the future will be dreary.

The question I asked myself having watched this video a couple of weeks ago (found it earlier) was: “Are these women the equivalent of men looking for easy sex?” In a way I think they are. But these women aren’t only fulfilling their biological imperative, they are lusting after a lifestyle that exceeds the Maslowian basic necessities of life.

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Oh….these bitches are British. Totally explains it.

btw…the guys who feed these monsters are pathetic.

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It must suck living in Great Britain even more than living in America for a man. Misandry and worship of these useless women is encouraged. Wake the fuck up Western men and reign these bitches in.

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I have just posted something involving this very topic on the forum, something that has been frustrating me lately to no end. In my estimation, this has been a worsening problem. If my logistics are bad and I can’t go for the same-night lay, I will now automatically assume I will never see her again. Even if the date went really well – with a make-out, hours spent laughing at my jokes, every IOI known to man thrown my way, hair-playing, her engaging in texts for days after. I will NEVER see her again. I have noticed a HUGE change from just two years ago.

There are some exceptions, of course. But for the most part there has been a change in attitude, particularly with Tinder and the like.

I cannot underestimate how baffling this is.

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Needless to say, people are still getting laid using your noted formula based on this recognized changed (I know I have). However, I’m not seeing many newly formed relationships last for shit. They were either started 2+ years ago, and still going strong, or mini-relationships fading into bang buddies category.

On RFV Forum a while back I estimated that Roosh, being the front-liner he is with world travel experience beyond most of us, has a perspective that can accurately compare/contrast the west from the east. and other parts of the world. Noteable changes used to happen every 2 years or so, now I’m seeing it (clearly due in part to technology interconnecting everyone, and SM pressure), happening at intervals as short as 6 months.

So the game that was valid at just the beginning of this year, is already outdated and less effective. My 2c.

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All this is foreign to me. Came along in a different time. I am realizing if I were out playing the field again, I would be totally lost.

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It’s the same game, just everything to the 100th degree (in walked technology). And like anything in life, the negatives are unfortunately more easily, and immediately noticeable than the positives. But the positives still exist, just don’t expect the meteoric highs everyone has been sold growing up in simpler times.

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It will take the wind out of your sails very quickly I tell you.

You will have to look at women with far less sense of respect or have to become a bit callous after planning a night out only to find out she is a no call/no show. And it happens again and again…

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The answer is easy: robots.

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I don’t disagree with you pointing out the epidemic of flaky women, but I believe that the problem is much deeper. Flaky women are merely a symptom of our rotten culture. Modern men are just as guilty of flakiness, in my experience, as women.

Chicken/egg situation perhaps. It all stems from a culture where people value themselves over others exclusively, and don’t give a fuck who gets screwed over.

I believe that the blame belongs squarely on the shoulders of so called ‘progressives’ and their utterly stupid, unrealistic outlook on life. ‘Don’t judge’, ‘you’re the most important person in the whole wide world’, ‘live for the moment’, etc., etc..

We have raised several generations of completely selfish monsters based on the incredibly stupid ideas of people like Dr. Benjamin Spock. We are now simply reaping what we have sown. The blame belongs squarely on the shoulders of progressives and leftists in general.

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We avoid the blame by doing what we can to not to be part of the problem.

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Parents are greatly responsible for raising “princesses” here with little humility or sense of dignity and respect or courtesy outside of what they demand from others.

I agree with your great points.

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Complaining about the unfairness of female nature is like complaining about the unfairness of physical laws:

“Bro, wouldn’t it be so much better to float, fuck this gravity shit.”

This is the way low-value men think. It is precisely why you have all the college shootings. The incels can only see the unfairness in everything, even immutable laws of reality. They don’t think about what they can do to get the best out of it, just about how unfair everything is. The engineers in the 60s didn’t bitch about the physical difficulties of getting a man into space, “unfair all this gravity bullshit, let’s go kill ourselves”, they strived to understand the world as it was and made shit happen.

Mentally healthy men, and yes that includes plenty of players, love women more and more as they grow more experienced. Hatred and bitterness are the spillovers of a low-value mentality from childhood that has plagued many a wannabe-manosphere-alpha thoughout their whole PUA journey.

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then why do you care what low value men are doing? why are you on this site, to see what low value roosh is writing about?
you know his website traffic generates his income….you are directly contributing to this ‘low value’ website

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In a sense it’s good that the church has no power anymore. Marriage is a beta thing. It’s social conditioning and thus it goes against nature. Marriage made it so that physical weak males also could ‘buy’ sex, something they don’t deserve at all. With the institute of marriage broken, nature reigns again. Women now do what they always wanted to do: suck ‘n fuck and potentionally cuck.

Hypergamy is a given, society tells how far women can take it out in the open and technology makes it easier than it ever was to hookup.

Females have a dualistic mating strategy. On the one hand they are looking for a strong confident man, on the other end they are looking for the provider. Those two types rarely coexist. This all depending on their hormonal cycle /age.

Go with the flow. It’s easy. It starts with increasing your physique/physical strength and creating a strong frame. The rest, your education and financial success, will follow. the red pill after all is about acceptance of the reality, not about wanting to change it. Neo in the Matrix had a hard time accepting the new reality, even when he made the choice to know the truth. That’s how it goes with guys being introduced to red pill material. It’s most of the times not scientific, but when you hear a theory combined with observation and you mirror them against your own experiences you hold them for true soon enough. I sure do.

To come back to the point about the college shootings, and then in particular the Elliot Rodger incident. There are men who just can’t cope with the reality of having to be an alpha man. In this new sexual reality we live in their whole game of beta-marriage which always was a way to easy sex for life is over. Now you have to do actual work to become attractive as a man. And a large part of that work is extrovert. Your game, your physical attraction, your voice. The times that you could buy someones daughter are over. Elliot Rodger couldn’t handle that. He still lived in the assumption an expensive car and sunglasses would be sufficient. Women don’t care about that. They want to feel dominance and see pumped up muscles, and I can’t blame them.

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“That’s how it goes with guys being introduced to red pill material. It’s most of the times not scientific, but when you hear a theory combined with observation and you mirror them against your own experiences you hold them for true soon enough. I sure do.” << that's the basis.

It's not coddling one another, it's navigating new times. I know plenty of "alphas," dudes with big muscles and a decent bank roll, that can't compete with guys having less, but true game. If you dig a bit deeper with many "alphas" in appearance, you find out their prize catch woman isn't all that, and often below their potential, and well within yours. THIS is definitely something's that's changed notiably across the US.

When I say alpha I mean true born alphas, naturally aloof, clueless, family status, fame, just tend to fall into the role. For literally everyone else, and that's about 99%, it takes work.

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Very well then, you gotta accept the price, Middle East/Subsaharan Africa levels of scientific progress (ie. zero civilization) since marriage and other institutions were created precisely in order to steer the power of human sexuality.

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I am with Roosh on this one. 37 years old here, have had numerous mini-relationships, been flaked on a lot, been laid a good number of times since dumping my BPD-fiance (and mother of my son), and finally took the Red Pill a couple years ago. I keep a couple borderline land whales as “girlfriends” now, but mostly to keep me company for platonic events (lame, huh)? No interest in having sex with them, but at this age I don’t feel like making too much effort gaming entitled, flaky “independent women” princesses. Will still bang seperated married women on the “rebound” here, I pay for a high-end escort every 3 months or so, but not much interest any more in “dating” American women much anymore. I feel for you younger guys, truly, and worry about my 2 sons growing up in this environment, but you should truly try and focus on yourself and enjoy all the beauty and opportunities this world has to offer (of course, mainly produced by men). Women are inherently selfish, parasitic creatures at core and while it initially sucks to realize the truth, it may save you from being effectively victimized from someone who could care less about your welfare or who you are as a man. Just my 2+ cents here, gents.

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At least this guy is honest. You see where this retarded mentality comes from.

The fact that most of the guys posting here are absolute dregs of the SMP.

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American (read: Western) women are selfish parasitic creatures. You need to East brau; Eastern European Women are giving, sharing and gracious. Oh, and they’re thin and hot too.

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Don’t they hit “the wall” the hardest?

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Yea, its true. But they maintain better than Western women & in their cultures, its common to see 25 yo’s dating men anywhere from 7-15 years older.
In Western cultures we allow women to think the age gaps are “creepy” & you’re seeing a ton of dumbass guys marrying women that are their same age or even 4 years older in some cases

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No, I think you’re thinking of Asian Women who look 18, 25, 25, 30, 30, 30, 35, 35, 74

Most Russian Women who are 40 have more attractive figures than 20 year old Mid-Western American women.

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Some of those older Slavic women really surprised me. Still fashionable and attractive.

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Anything beats an American woman: they’re getting so fat now. I’m even seeing young women in their 20’s so morbidly obese that they have to roll around in 3 wheel electric wheel chairs. Just thinking about it gives me the geeves – I’m going to the gym!

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I never found flaking to be a particular problem. Once I hit my 40s then it became more and more difficult to lock down a date with an 18 or 19 year old, but that seems to be completely understandable. I’m not sure what everyone else’s experience is but it seems that girls who are 25+ don’t flake. Maybe it is dread of the Wall or simply that they have an attention span that exceeds that of a goldfish.

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I have encountered flaking from all ages. Girls in their 20s, 30s, 40s….

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I saw a spike in traffic on my blog Western Women Suck and I followed the links back here. Interesting conversation. Plan to read through tomorrow and share my thoughts and experiences. I’ve been to the Eastern block about 15 times, am married to a Russian Woman and have a (1/2 Russian) child. http://www.westernwomensuck.com

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Privit!

Nice. I think I’ve been to your site before.

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Girls flake when they realize they don’t like you enough. Might be your look, game, vibe, personality, status, banging skills. Whatever. As older you are, as more these traits of your persona must be well shaped. Otherwise, how come there are still lot of people out there being in a happy relationship? Maybe they are not the ones you meet in a club on a weekend night, who are probably the 5% of a whole population of a city.
So, Mr. Roosh, instead of complaining and whining like a woman, start working on improving yourself and try to understand where and why you fail, and stop blaming women. That’s not very alpha, is it?

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IN relationships yes. Happy? Well surveys tell a whole other story bro, specially women http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

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MGTOW men aren’t necessarily sexless. They simply opt for a life free of any commitment to a woman beyond the very short term. As for the ones who eschew women altogether.. Bring on the sexbots. Why do you think feminists and women are spending so much hot air denigrating and shaming men for even considering that option? Because the writing is on the wall…

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As I’ve said before, I truly hope things get better, at least overseas, so this does not become the case. However, I have a feeling that this may indeed be the best case scenario for most men under thirty today. I honestly don’t see why women would be against sexbots. Lesser men would stop chasing them altogether, leaving women free to become part of the alpha harems like they always wanted to. What we really need to work on is artificial wombs.

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But then again in MGTOW you have those crazy “levels”, where a level 5 MGTOW is somebody like a hermit. An outcast of society. I don’t know who came up with that, but it’s retarded. Not wanting sex when you are a healthy man is crazy anyways. Women are retarded emotional child like creatures, sure. In a sense they are, but that doesn’t mean that you should forswear women. With holding a good frame you could have a great relationship.

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Agreed.. it’s very, very crazy. But you must remember, as much as Roosh denigrates MGTOWs as having “hormonal problems”, it’s not that these guys don’t want to have sex. It’s a case of not wanting to wake up with your dick superglued to your thigh, most of your money gone for the next 18 years, having to beg misandrist courts to visit your own children once a fortnight, thrown in jail for the crime of pushing her down when she beats you once too often.. and after all that, begging forgiveness from the feminist juggernaut for your innate male “privilege”.

This is the shit young men find themselves in today.. seriously, it would be crazy to *not* be celibate.

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Always use condoms with new girls. Otherwise always make sure the person you have sex with is on birthcontrol, preferably an IUD since that is one of the safest form of bc. You also could have a vasectomy, that’s the easiest thing. And it’s cheap as well.

MGTOW see forswearing women as a badge of honor. If you are in your fifties I can understand it, but when you are a younger guy with easy access to good looking women, why shouldn’t you take advantage of that. Of course keeping in mind that you only should enjoy sex with them and give them nothing else. No relationships, no cohabitation, no babies, no money.

MGTOW is just a sorry ass excuse for not wanting to put effort in gaming women. It’s celibacy without religion. Even monks couldn’t always keep their promises. Their promises to no one less than GOD himself.

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I don’t agree so much. I tend to (after reading and listening to many MGTOW topics & discussions) see it as men who simply are just tired of it. I can’t blame them.

On the other hand, nothing is without negatives and yes that means giving up on having the ability to do better with women and enjoy the good things that effort brings.

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Don’t you get it…these girls are flaking on you because YOU are the beta male. Nothing as funny as beta males that think they are alpha.

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Have things changed so much in the last 10 years? I was gaming before I knew this stuff existed and I never got flaked. I had plates galore but I don’t recall getting dropped. I did it myself when necessary though (not often). Maybe this doesn’t apply to top alphas? It seems women are just degenerating fast.
I miss that shit.

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Not many things changed, but we know have smartphones with cheap internet and countless hookup apps which make the pareto principle (80/20) more likely than ever. Technology panders to women’s hypergamy, technology we men invented, but for most men it’s no gain. Instead they’ll find themselves being put on the scale constantly.

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I’ve said it before and will say it again, Calhoun’s “Behavioral Sink” is a good model for what we are seeing going on.

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I don’t understand this idea that women have all the leverage. Women only have as much power as you give them.

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I think that women not only flakes when they really don’t like You. They flake when they feel that You really don’t like her. I sometimes take a numbers from girls that i met in clubs,who are average,but bangable at least for one time-and they often flake-i guess,they feel that i am not really interested in them… Old rule-You should be interested,but not needy..what’s your thoughts about this?

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I noticed the flaking in ’93-on. Nothing you can do it’s a numbers game. Try to meet up live or meet live. Show your personality, make them not want to miss being with you, do not be like everyone else. (Even though you are wink )

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93 huh? What do you think it was about 93 that stated flaking so much? I personally think that sounds a bit early.

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I was living in Los Angeles then, unfortunately that bad trend started there early. Many actresses, narcissists . Ross Jeffries spotted the bad behavior and published ways to beat it, many of them worked. BUT there comes a point where you have to move on.

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In USA, I get flaked on constantly. In Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Finland & Philippines, I never get flaked on. & those girls are usually much nicer to spend time with even if their English is poor.
Next Stop: Dominican Republic in 37 days…

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Fuck, chuck and move to the next woman. That’s the only way I see nowadays. These women are so self centered, so ignorant, so stupid, so selfish. They want your whole life just as an exchange for the pussy. They are the real prostitutes. An alpha male will never settle down.

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pua’s only goal is to get sex
they have absolutely no interest in women outside of that and certainly they have zero respect for women.
Cornering a woman and getting sex from her is regarded a victory by pua,
a win.
In demolishing the image of the female they seek to elevate the significance of themselves.
they produce millions of unwanted sperm daily and are constantly on the look out to offload them on to others who equally don’t want them!

Women don’t owe men anything, certainly not these pitiful so called men, pua excuses for men
The women are obviously becoming very aware pua men are not interested in them as people but just as receptacles to piss in and piss on and the women are doing the right thing, by telling them to piss off!

There never was a golden goose .. only a tiny cock with shit for brains!

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men create and build the infrastructure and modern conveniences enjoyed by women. women bring nothing to the table other than sex and nurturing children – which obviously modern women wont do. so they literally aren’t good for anything other than sex

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I know a great bunch of guys who share your views. Currently they are partying in Syria and Iraq, and enjoy reading a funny book while they capture underage girls from the families they butchered. Seems your views are so enlightened, others share them in countries far, far away!

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Lolz…^^^^ this man. 😂

GetItGoing
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Yes, sad I know.

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Please move your skirt a bit back into place. Your mangina is showing.

Try actually making a legitimate point for once rather than an insult-filled comment. That’s how men behave.

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women and their flaking entitled behavior created the pua culture. If women were like they were 20, 30 and 50 years ago…that is, respectful, don’t flake, keep their word when they make a commitment, willing to go on a second and third date with men and allow men to court them in a traditional way, then there would be no need for men to become PUAs. The only reason some men choose to become PUAs is because of feminism and the fact that women no longer make themselves available for traditional dating. Women have created the PUA culture in a sense. it’s their fault.

I’m not a “pua” naturally. However, I had to adopt the lifestyle because I could not find any attractive acceptable woman anywhere in the USA I’ve lived or traveled that wanted to do traditional dating. So, I had to give them what they want. I have to give them what feminism has corrupted them (the women) into wanting: Gina tingles from the alpha male (me) and great sex.

Can’t you see that?

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What has that got to do with women who flake even to men with serious long-term intentions? There is simply no excuse.

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Santans plan was to create conflicts between races,sexes,religions,nations,socio-economic classes through manipulation of mass media,religions,hierarchy in government in which demonic forces operate while simultaneously appearing good in the eyes of those targeted for brainwashing.Satan has engineered a virtual reality matrix where the prison bars containing humanity as slaves are kept invisible to the untrained eye,although enlightenment is breaking through slowly more and more people are waking up to the fact this world is controlled by alien like demons disguised as humans and Borg like satanic followers enlisted through secret societies in pursuit of wealth and occult powers in return for being soul drained to serve as cogs in the satanic owned mystery dynasty that owns and controls governments,mass media,anti Semitic movements,military industrial complexes,social engineering platforms,central banking institutions ect ect ect

Cat5krusher
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To the victor goes the spoils. Unforunately douchebags like this are killing it in this market and it’l only get better as more guys go MGTOW. All they have to do is stay out of jail.

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Peak flaking. We’re at it. Someone should draw a graph. When did this phenomenon begin in earnest? Mid 90s? Smart phone getting popular in ’09? Someone here should know.

Also – Roosh, how do you deal with this flaking phenomenon we’re living through?

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I know why, Rob. It’s called ‘women are getting degrees and making their own money independent of men’. Man up and accept the challenge that women throw up: how to make yourself desirable to the modern woman.

Rob
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It’s got so much more to do with than that. I’m all for women working if that’s what they want. Hey if a woman wants to really be CEO or president and that’s been her lifelong goal….great!. Problem is, feminism has deluded many women into thinking that’s what they should seek and they don’t ‘need a man’ to be happy. So, they end up in some cubicle and pointless meetings planning some schedules. Meantime, their prime 20s ( childbearing years) pass them by as they do the 9 to 5, ride the carousel, party with friends, post instagrams and social media…then, in their late 30s or beyond realize they missed their biological prime to have a family which is a deeply imbedded need in women’s brains. Feminism and the lie that they must pursue careerism over all else has ruined many women’s lives and possible families that could have been. It’s much more complicated than ‘women are getting degrees and man up’ That’s a very shallow view of things and doesn’t see all aspects nor reach the heart of the matter.

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White Knight detected!

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Um. I have found flaking to be common among very young women. 18 to 25 years old. Some in their late 20s also. I don’t think I have had a woman 30 and over flake on me. My experience is the older the woman the least likely she is to try to play mind games and flake out. I am 41 years old and from what I have noticed when women age they start to wake up. The clock begins ticking, and gets louder and louder for them as they approach 40. Certainly I have dated some young ladies but for a guy like me it’s getting less worth the work. In the end I have found out that the only thing a young 20 something woman wants from me is money so I beginning to move on from them.

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Hasn’t it occurred to you that women in their 20s see you as a middle-aged man trying to get laid with a much younger girl? Replace the term ‘flaking’ with ‘screening potential partners’ and it all becomes clearer.

GetItGoing
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Lame comment. That doesn’t apply to those who are attracted to older men.

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Girls flake because most guys just want to have sex with them and bang chicks only for superficial reasons and are beta like hell. Blaming the girls….lol. Only betas do that. Men have responsibility for their outcome. So stop the whining and grow a pair.

GetItGoing
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Hogwash! I’ve seen the same behavior from women supposedly wanting only long-term commitment and doing so to men who fit that mold to a “T”. It’s the complete lack of any sense of obligation, respect, and so on of so many American women.

Tom McWonald
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I love how this whole article is simply a description of how sexually frustrated Rooshy has been for most of his life. Enough already, hire a prostitute and have some fun! Then go out and meet some people… get a nice dog for company… call your parents to say hi… call your sister to apologise for groping her breasts…

GetItGoing
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That comment makes no sense.

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sjw trash detected

Ken L Willis
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Quality men wont give up, they will just go foreign, like i did. My (foreign) wife complains all the time of how she cannot make friends her (in DC) because the women are soooo flakey, always late, or just plain air-heads.

GetItGoing
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I’m back to seriously doing the same, or in addition to only having short-term fun with American women.

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Alpha males dont get flaked on.Roosh is a loser and a beta and we all know it.