Women Don’t Listen

My sister called me up with a game question. A guy she likes said he wanted to take her out on a certain night but did not set a time and place. The day came and she wanted to call him to see if they still were going out. First thing I told her was put down the phone.

It’s his job to make plans so the worst thing you can do is encourage his breezy behavior by doing the work for him. Have a cut-off time, where if he calls you before you will agree to go out with him but if he calls him after you say you already make plans because you weren’t “sure” if you were still going out. This will let him know he has to be a little more firm in making plans.

She agreed with me and picked a reasonable cut-off time of 7PM. If she lets him call at any time then she is sending the message that she is a great backup plan. Note that this is a guy she likes and not just wants to have sex with, which in that case it wouldn’t matter.

He called after 7PM, and she agreed to go out with him anyway. It’s not a big deal but I think if you want a guy to take you more seriously it’s better to send the message that you are for a “limited time only” instead of “unlimited supplies!”

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ha ha doesn’t look like it mattered too much on this post. solid nonetheless

Jack Goes Forth
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I agree. A girl needs to give a challenge….frustrate me, make me think…. or they can just sleep with me on the first night. I’m not to picky…

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it is difficult to listen to reason when you are actually into someone…

virgle kent
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Dude my fault for calling her so late, I was busy at the gym though.

She’ll have a blast at Dan’s Cafe though, for realla

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lol….so wrong but so funny as well.

irina
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sometimes the girl can make it obvious she’s limited time only in other ways. and not even on purpose. i mean, you yourself, i would imagine, would rather date a girl with no game, no?

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vk – lol.

roosh, you sound like you’re ghost authoring a more realistic version of The Rules.

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Matt Savage
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This post raises a good point. I often here women complain about guys they are seeing who only call them when they want sex at one in the morning…well, if they don’t want to be treated as a booty call then they shouldn’t act like a booty call.

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seems effective…. my girlfriends that do this or have done it are married or in relationships and the ones who dont tend not to be (one of many factors i’m sure)

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He waited until after 7pm to confirm plans? Roosh is right on this one. I’d expect a friend to confirm in the afternoon sometime. An interested guy will do at least that for a first date. Red flag on the delay.

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Why would she listen to you?

If he’s a highly desirable guy, being his semen receptacle is enough for her. Your sister, like most women, would choose a pump & dump from a desirable guy over a loser who will treat her like a princess.

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i’ve set cut offs before. i’ve also told a guy who asked me out “if nothing better comes along, i will.”

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On the one hand, I’ve called late because the other calls that night weren’t productive and it just took me a while to work my way down the list.

On the other hand, I’ve called late because I was tied up with work and couldn’t get to the phone. And if the girl wasn’t available any more, I went out and found another one.

Maybe the guy’s mom made him do the dishes after dinner first.

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roosh, you sound like you’re ghost authoring a more realistic version of The Rules.

Actually, the Rules is pretty realistic and not that different than what Roosh advises here. I read it at the library to bash it in a blog review, and i hate to admit it but after reading it I must say it’s actually damn good advice. I’d actually recommend it to a woman.

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Seduction Chronicles
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I hate it at the time, but I end up staying with women that play harder to get SOME of the time.

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Considering that this advice was from you to your sister, it’s understandable that you wanted to put the onus on the guy to make the plans… which would prove he’s really interested and has a modicum of respect for her.

Otherwise, this advice is inimical to “game” and to guys. It’s actually “reverse game”, because anything that shifts the balance of power from the girl to the guy is actually antithetical to the interests of the guy, and therefore would not really qualify as “game”, but in some sense, its opposite.

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Or, you know what? You could just call and confirm if you have a date or not, and that way you could be like a grownup.

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Rooshv, maybe you could get published if you wrote about something more interesting:) Or, maybe you could write an advice column on relationships for middle school students.

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It’s sad you had such a bad mum and dad. Bad mums and dads produce the most annoying people.

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Do you think that the advice you’d give a women runs counter to or negates the advice you’d give a man? Not in the sense that it’s essentially the same — which it sort of is (be a challenge, don’t supplicate) — but in the sense that the advice you’d give a woman would make it harder for a guy to pick her up?

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Roosh, how many girls did you lay in South America? Any new flags?

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You’ve got to persuade and nag her if she doesn’t listen to you/ignores you, gives you the cold shoulder like most guys would. Women, especially American women, like persistent men who nag them too much because it’s part of American culture. And women will always play hard to get to the point of being harassed, stalked, or raped.