Women Who Say I Hate Women

A common charge leveled against me by women is “You hate women.” It’s a mind-boggling accusation if you consider I’ve spent more mental energy at “figuring” women out than 99% of men on the planet. If you also account for the amount of time I’ve spent writing out my thoughts and analysis about them, it gets upped to 99.9%. I’m not going to be cheesy and say I love women and how they’re all beautiful creatures, but my entire life would be a fraud if I really hated women. I would be a goddamn fool to dedicate a good portion of my free time to them if I genuinely hated their guts.

Think back to all the women you’ve ever dated in your life. How many of them would you consider “special?” It’s probably in the single digits. Now how many of them were just alright or slightly memorable? Finally, how many were forgettable enough that you wouldn’t care if you ever saw them again? It’s safe to say that most women you meet won’t make a positive impact to your life, and only a select few have brought you sustained happiness. Some women you’ve loved, and some you’ve hated, but you unless you’re desperate you approach each woman with a little skepticism, wondering if she can please you with the qualities you desire. Having a default opinion that all women are wonderful snowflakes makes it likely that won’t you even get to experience them in bed. It’s not a matter of hating anyone, but having a high opinion of yourself and knowing that you deserve a woman equal to or greater than your own value.

The truth is that when a woman reads my blog, she becomes exposed to some uncomfortable truths. Chances are I’ve perfectly described her own flaws. She now has two options: accept my criticisms and make an honest effort to improve herself, or block out what she just read by saying “He hates women.” The latter makes it’s easy for her brain to discount everything I’ve written and continue on her current trajectory. It’s a form of self-denial.

I do something similar after I read the opinion of a girl about dating, when I snoop around to see if I can find photos of her. If she’s pretty, then I may consider the points she raised, but if she’s not someone that I would bang, I safely disregard everything she said since following her ideas would push me farther away from getting the attractive women that I desire. Another example: if a pretty girl in a bar compliments my shirt, I know I’m on the right track, but if an ogre does the same, I disregard it completely. I prepare to burn the shirt if another ogre hits me with a similar compliment.

American feminists who accuse me of hating women think that I’m bitter because I can’t fuck a feminist, but the reality is that the easiest girl for me to fuck are feminists. And when I mean easiest, I mean easiest in the world. They’re so easy that I suspect European men prowl through international airports in their cities looking to “assist” fresh female American arrivals, knowing it’s just common sense that a woman who doesn’t believe in a “slut” concept will fuck anything for the most arbitrary of reasons, like a “sexy” foreign accent or so-so skill at playing Wonderwall on guitar. Ultimately, I believe feminist hate against me stems from all the guys they’ve fucked who have never called them back, who made them feel anything but “empowered” and “independent.” I’m their punching bag to make them fell less like a… slut.

Humans need a way to filter information, and one way we do that is to trash everything that comes from someone we don’t already agree with. Feminists do this to me by saying “Roosh hates women.” You better believe that no feminist wakes up and says, “Today I will change my mind or my lifestyle if someone challenges my beliefs.” So they have quick retorts that keep them in their fantasy bubble, easy rationalizations for their lonely existence. I’m getting older so my beliefs are getting entrenched, but I will change my mind if new evidence suggests I hold an incorrect viewpoint. That’s because I’m a man, and most men are capable of doing that. I’ve never seen a woman change her mind in the face of contrary evidence. Not once in my entire life. She either throws a temper tantrum, starts with the name-calling, or pretends she never held the incorrect viewpoint in the first place.

A more amusing hater comment I come across is, “He hates strong woman.” I’ve always thought “strong woman” was an oxymoron—it would be like a beta male going around saying, “Forget her, she can’t handle a weak man.” When someone says “strong woman,” this is the image that comes to my mind:

  • burly build, definitely not svelte
  • short finger nails, short hair
  • overly opinionated
  • thinks she understands how the world works
  • self-absorbed
  • too much focus on building her intelligence instead of her attractiveness

Why would any man on this planet want a strong woman? Shit, I’ll accept that charge without debate—I do hate strong women, because it would be like dating a she-to-he transsexual. It’s actually a good screening question you should ask the next girl you meet: “Do you consider yourself a strong woman?” Unless she hesitates, run for the hills.

Some women I hate, some women I care for, but most I hold in neutral regard. Unless a girl can come close to matching qualities of someone special I’ve dated in the past, I’m not going to worship her. And the reason I don’t worship women is because I actually like sex and want to continue having it. Instead I will treat her like the filthy dick hole she really is. Who knows—if American women rewarded men who worshipped them, the rules of the game would change and maybe my first book would be called Compliment & Cuddle instead of Bang, but they don’t. In the end this is just another case where if you listen to what a woman says about how men should act, your existence would be completely void of sex. I feel that if I’m not getting accused by women for hating them, I’m probably doing something seriously wrong.

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mr. pilkington
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That was some of the realist shit I have ever read. It is a pity that Jezebel won’t link to it.

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I disagree with much of your stuff, but this was a good piece.

Steve Lurkel
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…and the crowd goes wild.

preach, roosh!

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If that´s really the way American women´s minds work then I have to say I don´t understand. I wouldn´t hang around men who treated me like “a filthy dick hole”, much less had sex with them. I like sex and I like it with men who treat me well. It´s not that men need to worship me but some kind of respect and friendliness has to be involved before I end up in bed with a guy. The same type of respect and friendliness that I show for the guy.

Well, maybe these things are different in Northern Europe than in America. I´ve been mostly treated well by men and therefore I´ve never felt a need to refuse having sex with a guy I like.

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Once more you give yourself away. For most people there are a few slots between ‘worship her’ and ‘treat her like a filthy dick hole’.

Just saying.

“I’ve never seen a woman change her mind in the face of contrary evidence. Not once in my entire life.”

I have (though it’s rare for anyone, male or female). But then I don’t spend a lot of time around filthy dick holes so what do I know?

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You’ve made some excellent points here, Roosh, but I’m compelled to ask —

Why bother giving haters the satisfaction of even acknowledging their existence?

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most women who say they hate women i find to be the “strong woman” , the more feministic woman etc, they claim they can’t handle the drama of all the other girls around them, but then proceed to be dramatic about not liking other woman. All day I’ll be barraged by an anti-woman drama queen.

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I admit to being everything anti-feminist. And I mean all of it. Probably back to suffrage. But here’s the incredibly ironic story of how I became that way:

Like most men, I used to not give a shit about feminism because, really, I could have cared less about anything beyond my basic needs. Also, I had (and still have) a fair number of women that I count as good friends and respect. Including my mother and grandmothers.

Then one day I had the “you hate women” line thrown at me. However, it wasn’t because of some social situation, but rather because I wouldn’t give a woman more money that she deserved in a business deal.

Actually, I had previously offered her what she wanted, and she turned it down because she thought that she was avoiding contractual obligations in doing so. She wasn’t, and as a practical matter just turned down the money. When she later asked for it again, this time outside of a written contract, she mistakenly phrased her request to ask for double the amount that she wanted and that was originally offered (she didn’t understand percentages well enough). I would have given her what I originally offered, but turned her down for the mistakenly asked for amount. Then I was accused of being anti-woman. When I explained her mistake, she conceded but refused to follow through anyway because she had already convinced herself that I had offended and was somehow anti-woman.

This was the start of my curiosity about this strange entitlement that came with these feminist oriented women that I had before ignored. And about their willingness to throw around such accusations so easily like a child would accuse someone of being a “doo doo head”. When its used like this, with no basis in reality and in a situation in which the woman’s personal interest is offended justifiably, it loses all meaning after a short while. You just ignore the child. Also, it gave me insight into a strange lack of analysis and emotional control that any man would have. Also, there was a grudge kept, even though she was mistaken. Keep in mind that this woman had a well above average intelligence.

Then I had a woman throw the “you talk down to women” line at me in public at a party. She was best friends with a woman that I had slept with but was no longer interested in. The troll (both physically and in personality) had never had a conversation with me or observed me in a conversation. She just sought to take revenge for her friend through the use of an anti-woman remark. Again, the feminist put down used solely for personal vindication, and having no basis in reality.

At that point, I started looking into feminism, as it seemed to be the base for unjustifiable entitlement and mistreatment based on personal spite, at least in my experience.

It doesn’t take too long to uncover what the cost to society it has been, especially if you are good at making rational connections. It has been responsible for doubling the cost of living(through flooding the workforce with double the amount of workers and doubling the household income. Sounds good, unless you are single, as all costs rise to meet this average household income), the rise of the broken family, and the mainstreaming of promiscuity. As you know, we could go on for a long time about its widespread social effects on men and women… I think that the golden age of modern civilization, from an economic and sociological perspective, was likely between 1940 and 1960.

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Or perhaps between around 1900 and 1929. Mccarthyism marred the 50’s a bit.

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Joseph McCarthy was mostly correct. There were communists among the elites in power and media and were pretty successful breaking down the American way of life. One of the methods they used was FEMINISM.

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“Who knows—if American women rewarded men who worshipped them, the rules of the game would change and maybe my first book would be called Compliment & Cuddle instead of Bang, but they don’t.”

I nearly fell out of my chair at the “Compliment & Cuddle” remark.

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It’s simple. There are two factors. One, some people are just too in love with women, and often love women on the cheap, by indulging in a phony image of what they are. Paradoxically it’s the realists who are often much more truly in love with women, because they’ll submit their love to the severest tests and hold onto it. They decline to cop out by ignoring all the dark, difficult things about women.

Two, sometimes Roosh and others exhibit frustration, and make bitter comments. Aha! Hatred of women. But be mature and let the portrait unfold a little. Anyone who taks the time to truly deal with something will get frustrated, unless they have some sort of otherwordly monastic patience. A horseman who spends his waking life in the barn and pasture, shoeing, riding, grooming, saddling, training . . . a horse gets under his skin sometimes, he complains about the damned stupid animal. And you conclude that he hates horses? In that case the malfunction and mistake clearly lies with you.

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You trying to screw women doesn’t mean you don’t hate them. I’m not saying you do hate them, but pointing to the fact that you want to sleep with as many hot women as possible isn’t evidence you feel something other than hate.

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I think Roosh should write “Cuddle & Compliment” for the beta male market.

Get them to buy it and then bitch slap them with the truth.

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@truckturner

from Wikipedia:

“McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence”

First, you can’t have an American society with the methods McCarthy used, disregarding evidence and due process.

Second, you can’t have witch hunts against a peaceful political movement such as Communism and have an American way of life. Political freedom is the essence of democracy.

Third, feminism isn’t a result of a communist conspiracy. Your giving communists too much credit. Assigning it to such is buying into some pretty weak propaganda. It has a history in America before Soviet communism and continued long after the “soviet threat” was proven to be well overblown.

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@ Anonymous (14) — Funny how haters always post under “Anon” or some variant thereof, isn’t it?

@ hydrogian (15) — Isn’t it amazing how quickly some are to blame Communism, or the Rockefellers, or someone else for the disaster that is feminism? I can’t remember if it was Roosh or Roissy that said it, but feminism is the result of ugly and bitter women not having the upward mobility of the beautiful.

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NOBODY hates women more than the women themselves. How else can one explain the multitude of stupid decisions so many of them make when selecting a partner? Like choosing a partner who will break their heart when they already know what will happen? The “you hate women” comment only works to displace the blame for their stupid actions on someone else, not on themselves. And with so many people seeing through this facade, shaming tactics are fast losing their believability.

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Sweet baby Jesus Roosh, you murdered this post, I might say that this is probably the best post of 2011 hands down. Next time a feminist say’s you hate women simple respond with,

“Everybody knows I’m a motherfucking monster”

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Actually #17 I like this website a lot. But I don’t like irrationality. You ought to try reading critically instead of mass consuming everything the man writes.

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I’ve heard the meme “You hate/can’t handle/feel threatened by ‘Strong Women'” so often now that I’ve come to realize the latent purpose behind it. It’s gotten to the point that tarring a man with “misogynist” isn’t satisfying for women now. There’s come a need for women to self-affirm in the face of facts and critical observations of their motivations that contradict their ego-investments.

So we get the double whammy – “You can’t handle strong women” Implying of course that the woman telling you this is herself a strong woman, and to your own shame, lack the capacity to appreciate her strength. The function is to shame you for coming to your own conclusions about women in general while simultaneously reinforcing her own self-image.

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@Anon 14

“You trying to screw women doesn’t mean you don’t hate them. I’m not saying you do hate them, but pointing to the fact that you want to sleep with as many hot women as possible isn’t evidence you feel something other than hate”

Double negative logic FTW. And TWICE!

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The one I’m always amused by is the “maturity” argument. Evidently every woman is convinced she has the maturity of someone ten years older, as evidenced by the fact that while she still fights with her friends and coworkers like a 13 year old, her distaste for dick jokes solidifies her status as a perfectly self-actualized adult.

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Brilliant post

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“Who knows—if American women rewarded men who worshipped them, the rules of the game would change and maybe my first book would be called Compliment & Cuddle instead of Bang, but they don’t.”

Sums up the essence of the Game. Great job smile

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“You trying to screw women doesn’t mean you don’t hate them. I’m not saying you do hate them, but pointing to the fact that you want to sleep with as many hot women as possible isn’t evidence you feel something other than hate”

EQUALS

A person who tries to screw women can still hate women. Evidence of an attempt to screw a woman doesn’t indicate a lack of hatred.

The double negatives are gone but the point still remains.

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Dear Roosh,

I periodically visit this website as a means for boosting my self-esteem. Not only do you have an exceptionally poor command of the English language for a so-called writer, but I also derive joy from your facile attempts at intellectualizing gender relations, which are as hilarious as they are asinine.

Here’s how it is: “I’ve never seen a woman change her mind in the face of contrary evidence” is one of the most mind numbingly fucking stupid things I’ve ever seen in my life. That statement is not a poor generalization; it is a grand and nefarious delusion conjured up by a small mind.

The fact is all human beings constantly change their mind about reality and ideas based on evidence — otherwise they couldn’t possibly acquire useful information about the world. Women, just like men, provide different responses to different situations based on different data. If your statement had a modicum of truth to it, then women would lack the basic intellectual capacity to apprehend and retain information in the manner guaranteed by human sentience (actually, the ability to learn from mistakes is considered essentially mammalian). What I’m trying to say is that saying a woman wouldn’t change her mind based on contrary evidence is to say a woman can’t learn. But if a woman couldn’t learn, she couldn’t exist.

In other words, get your fucking head checked.

The extraordinary irony of your statement is that it is of course you who possesses a scarcity of reasoning skills to come up with such a demonstrably incorrect notion.

Finally, don’t you think that part of the reason you experience irrational women all the time is because your personality drives away women guided by a rational desire to be treated with respect? Of course the notion of a self fulfilling bias will naturally evade your paleolithic brain.

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Hydro, Feminism is Marxist-Leninist in origin, but you’re right, you can’t have a free people without having the right to choose what you believe. No matter how stupid or oppressive (communism). Just don’t make a goddamn law about it undermining individual rights.

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@Fisto

Yeah, you get what I’m saying.

I’m not making a judgment about the relative stupidity or oppressiveness of communism, either way. I’m just making a point that that from a strict legal/structural standpoint, for a free society to work, you can’t oppress a belief system that doesn’t overtly harm others. Otherwise, the basis for that restriction can be used to take away other freedoms in the future.

I’d have to check up on it it, but I believe that there were a few more ancient societies way before Marx/Lenin that actively enabled modern feminist style rights. That practice disappeared for a long time, though. However, modern feminist theory I’m sure arose with Marx/Lenin, as you said.

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You should’ve linked to “11 types of Roosh Hate” in this post.

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Upon looking, I cant find any evidence for it other than in Sparta. So, that leads me to believe that society has thought it a bad idea up until Marx/Lenin. Food for thought.

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100% true. You did again Roosh. Great fucking post.

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For me woman are like dogs with tits that I like to fuck. They´re a companion. Don´t expect more from them.

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“I’ve never seen a woman change her mind in the face of contrary evidence. Not once in my entire life.”

Really? I have, plenty of times. Or is this another case of hyperbole?

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You are right, it’s easy to fuck a feminest if you can find the goods buried under all that bush.

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Bro, how about some fucking Iceland already????

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@the great decay: drop the PC words and shaming language. They do not work in this corner of the internet.

P.S: Start writing with respect and maybe you shall be treated with respect. I sense thou art a woman.

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the great decay… you’re writing is worse than Roosh’s, and at least he has interesting content.

“The fact is all human beings constantly change their mind about reality and ideas based on evidence — otherwise they couldn’t possibly acquire useful information about the world. Women, just like men, provide different responses to different situations based on different data. If your statement had a modicum of truth to it, then women would lack the basic intellectual capacity to apprehend and retain information in the manner guaranteed by human sentience (actually, the ability to learn from mistakes is considered essentially mammalian). What I’m trying to say is that saying a woman wouldn’t change her mind based on contrary evidence is to say a woman can’t learn. But if a woman couldn’t learn, she couldn’t exist.” -> read this back to yourself. can you blame anyone for thinking you’re irrational and completely without intellect?

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LOL “Compliment and Cuddle or BANG”
Should’ve gone with filthy dick holes.

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In my experience “strong woman” is just a euphamism for bitch. Every woman I know who I’ve ever heard complaining about how no man can handle a woman as strong as she was invariably a ball breaking cunt who nobody wanted to date. Contrast their woe-is-me, all-these-guys-suck facebook posts with their much sweeter, less abrasive, but equally accomplished friends who are all in happy relationships with solid guys.

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@the great decay

Why so upset, angelface? Listen, the statement is easily amended to make sense for everyone. More accurately, it can be extrapolated. It makes me sad to think that your so riled.

Here it is:

“I’ve never seen a woman change her mind in the face of contrary evidence when her self interest, pride or positive emotional state is at risk in any way shape or form.”

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Roosh, I would not say that you hate women but I would say you have a madonna/whore complex about you which serves you no purpose at all and you would benefit from dropping.

Also your comment about “I’ve never seen a woman change her mind in the face of contrary evidence. Not once in my entire life.” is self defeating bearing in mind you spend half of the post arguing about how women block out reality and self-justify in some other way in order to maintain her own beliefs.

That is basically what you are doing yourself.

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“I’ve never seen a woman change her mind in the face of contrary evidence. Not once in my entire life.”

I think you could have qualified this a little bit more. Women can change their minds if they don’t feel like they are in an argument. If they have a disagreement with you, and you refute them, then their irrationality wheels start spinning and there’s no return.

“Roosh, I would not say that you hate women but I would say you have a madonna/whore complex about you which serves you no purpose at all and you would benefit from dropping.”

You think Roosh suffers from this:
http://madonnawhore.com/

“A man diagnosed with the Madonna/Whore Complex divides women into two types: madonnas (pure and good) and whores (everyone else). He views sex as a dirty act that can only be done with whores. This doesn’t mean he doesn’t enjoy sex or that he isn’t quite the ladies’ man. Many men with this complex are very sexually active — just not with their wives.”

Well it’s easy to figure this one out. Hey Roosh would you ever have sex with your wife

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lol

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Well, I disagree with you on the strong woman part. But then again it probably means something different in American context than it does in where I’m from – Estonia.

I consider myself a strong woman because even though I am young, life as thrown some pretty serious shit at me to deal with and I wouldn’t have been able to walk away from all of it with my head held high if I wasn’t a strong willed individual.

But when it comes to love and men… I am vulnerable and shy and maybe you will make fun of me by saying so but I don’t care – I believe with all my might that true love exists and I am willing to wait for him… All in all I am very traditional in the ways of love and I crave for a real man whose character would be stronger than mine and who would be able to protect me and shield me.

The fact that I am more than willing to dedicate my whole being to the right man, does not mean that I am a pushover or that I have a weak character. Being strong willed and yet the most feminine are not mutually exclusive. Maybe you haven’t found (yet) a woman you are looking for and so you don’t believe that this kind of strong yet vulnerable girl exists.

I will give you an example. At 20 years old I am still a virgin (and I mean really a virgin not that kind of bullshit that some girls say”I’ll do anything but intercourse because I wanna be pure for my wedding night – so be a doll and do me in teh ass”)and let me tell you it has not been easy. Countless men have wanted to have their way with me, some respected my wishes, others not so much. And there is always the other side of the coin… I have kind of a very high sex drive so at time it can be extremely frustrating.

But as I said I am a strong woman and I don’t care about those little pumps on the road. And when I’ll finally find a man who is worth me, I will do anything in my power to let him know that he is the center of my universe because I cannot imagine being intimate with a man I do not adore.

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That was encouraging to read, Tudruk, and I approve. But here’s the rub: ALL women claim that they want a real man with a strong character. And look at the choices most of them end up making wink

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To Marmot

I agree that most women end up with, aehm, ordinary men. But it is just because sadly there are not enough real men for all of us, don’t you agree?

To attract a real man (you guys use the term alpha more) I have to be extraordinary myself. How can I possibly expect to get any attention from an alpha male if I myself do not live up to those standards to set for him? I would be the worlds’ biggest hypocrite if I would refuse to better myself and still feel entitled to the attention of the most masculine men.

All women want the small portion of worthy alpha men and all men want the small portion of worthy female beauty.

I have to do everything in my power to attract the best possible mate. I just have little leverage over most women because I know what makes people tick (I am in training to become a evolutionary psychologist).

And of course I have some very good advice from my professor which he probably would have gotten fired for in USA. It goes something like that:

All women want me for my three metals: I have silver in my hair, gold in my pocket and steel in my pants.

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@Tudruk…I’ve never heard anything close to this kind of self-examination coming from the mouth of an American woman. They ALL think they’re worthy of a strong man, regardless of what they bring to the table…HA HA! The fact that you believe you should make yourself worthy of the thing you desire is admirable.

@#28 the great decay…I’ll put your venom aside and share this article with you. It illustrates how people often hold to their beliefs even in the face of evidence that they are wrong:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

Just some food for thought. It’s common for us to sometimes project our most negative attibutes on others as a way of justifying them. We also do that sometimes with positive attributes. You believe yourself to be a logical, thoughtful person, so you assume most others to also be so. NOT TRUE. Personally, I’ve only encountered ONE woman in my life that has admitted that some of the problems in her relationship with a man were her fault. JUST ONE. Women also believe that it’s their prerogative to change their minds depending on how they feel. But in terms of their beliefs with regard to relationships with men, most women hold steady to silly rules and stereotypes, and don’t self-examine with regard to problems in relationships. They’ll point at some perceived flaw in each man as the reason, and move to the next one.

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Here’s a funny article about what happens when women pass on, or aren’t capable of snagging a decent guy, then are forced to “settle.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41391019/ns/technology_and_science-science/?gt1=43001

They spend the rest of their lives angry that they couldn’t pull something better!

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Tüdruk,

I like you, and I think more women should be like you: chastity or no chastity.

However, I think that we have different definitions about what a “strong” woman means, at least insofar as the context that we are used to women using it.

For most guys here, our experience of self proclaimed “strong” women meant women that were selfish, bullish, and had an all around nasty edge to their personalities. I don’t think that you have that edge (but then again, i don’t know you, its just a hunch).

Another issue is that of what a woman’s “character” means. We all know what the general definition of male character is.

Men don’t want a woman that will emulate a mans personality in an effort to be strong or have character, because it still mixes with their nature and becomes something that isnt optimal. To me, a woman with good character is one that has a sense of what is right and wrong beyond what her emotions sway her into beleiving in any given moment, in any day of the week. Also, a woman with good charcter embodies kindness and empathy. In my opinion, a woman of good character will also defer to the less emotional logic of her well chosen man when the situation dictates. That’s the symbiosis.

While some of these traits of good character overlap, you can see how male and female “character” diverges a bit.