You Have No Idea How Easy It Is For Good Looking Men

Neither do I, of course, but I know such a man. We became friends in my senior year in college when I started to become aware of game and the successful habits of guys who get laid. Almost daily he would have an anecdote about talking to random girls and how easy it was to get phone numbers. Many of the dates he ended going on resulted in getting some type of action. Sometimes I wondered if he exaggerated his success, but looking back I believe he actually underplayed it to not hurt my feelings. He knew I wasn’t getting any play and probably hid the strong interest girls were showing him while I got none.

Fast forward twelve years. I was back at home for a month after my trip to Europe. I hung out with him and another college friend in Baltimore. All three of us majored in the sciences with intentions to become doctors, but we all dropped that in favor for eventually starting our own businesses. One would open a restaurant, the other would start a consulting firm, and I would write.

We went out to a nearby bar that had about two guys for every girl. I immediately noticed my friend getting extended eye contact from women. I would maybe get a glance while he would get a double take. One girl walked by us, stared at him, and slowed down, possibly to give him a chance to approach.

We walked to another bar where it was more of the same thing. I might as well have been invisible. Then I saw a girl grab his arm and stare at him like a lost puppy dog. It was both pathetic and amazing at the same time. He didn’t say anything and she walked away, continuing to stare from a distance. She seemed to be displaying signs of love while even more girls stared. For him this was normal, another night of receiving more female attention than an average guy receives in an entire year.

All the game you learn and all the effort you put yourself through to make yourself an attractive man still can’t compete with my friend. He just has to show up, smile, make small talk, and seal the deal. The reason is because the United States is a country where aesthetics is an increasing component in attraction. My friend gets more visual attention now in his early 30’s than his 20’s, even though he has passed his physical prime like I have. The shifting culture means my friend’s value is actually going up every year, not down, while average-looking men who don’t work on their game are seeing their value plummet.

All is not lost for the average man because nature always provides opportunities to counter imbalances. Since my friend gets so much attention, he doesn’t do many cold approaches. This has a way of limiting his potential. On the other hand, I approach like a dog, which means it expands my potential. Approaching is the great equalizer. I also visit countries where aesthetics play a minor role, so in the end our quantity and quality are similar. The only difference is I work much harder than he does.

The irony of his attractiveness is that he would do worse if he left America. If his main strength is his appearance, and American girls value appearance more than anything else, he wouldn’t do as well in places like Ukraine or Lithuania, where appearance is valued much less. In Washington DC, a land of stiff men who wear khakis on the weekend and think girls are impressed by job titles, he’s at the top of the pack. While he does have justified complaints of crappy DC girl attitudes and overall low attractiveness, he’s a shark in a land of goldfish. He doesn’t plan on moving away from the city anytime soon.

The better looking you are, the happier you will be in America. When you consider that American women will actively chase good-looking men, I don’t see the urgent need for handsome men to hit the road in Eastern Europe or South America. Most men, however, don’t have these looks. We don’t get daily attention from beautiful women and therefore need to learn game. We need to consciously improve our value. We need to go to countries where we can get much better than our homeland with equal efforts. We have to hustle more for not hitting the genetic lottery. And I completely accept that. I want beautiful and feminine women, and I will do what it takes to get them.

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It’s not the end of the world Roosh. My cousin is a natural but he often gets told he looks like Daniel Craig and has the build of an MMA fighter, so he gets plenty of action with girls who are into that type of man.

I on the other hand have a footballers build, am good looking but often don’t get as much attention when going out with him. Then I realised it was all because he carefully picked his niche where the type of girls that would favour him, frequented the places he would go to.

So it really is about finding your niche and little to do with your looks. I would probably do very well in Spain as I often get noticed by cute Spanish girls the majority of the time.

You got it when you were in Poland. It really is subjective. What one girl classes attractive, another girl would find unattractive. So it makes sense to frequent places that contain the types of girls that would likely favour you.

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hi roosh, thanks for being one of the guys I’ve never met who made my life better in multiple lanes

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I’m very good looking (been told often that I should model), and this is true. I almost never cold approach women –they will approach me, stand next to me twirling their hair, or eye fuck the shit out of me from across the room. The only “game” I need is being relatively non-boring and escalating.

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I can see this maybe happening at clubs, or at an environment that includes alcohol… but outside of that, I never see this happen…ever!

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this has never happened to you? not even at the gym?

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Have experienced what it’s like to be an ugly duckling to swan scenario it’s like night and day.

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Bill Harris, a very smart man, tells us that the time is near when the world will be forced into a lower standard of living. It’s inevitable and I believe it. It will also hit hard in the US because of the massive debt and the entitlement generation won’t like it. Let’s see if women are so picky about looks in about a decade. My guess is they’ll be more attracted to money.

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They’d be smart to only accept a lower standard of living AFTER we prohibit anyone from being worth more than a few million dollars.

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Why would we prohibit people from making a lot of money that’s just uamerican what’s wrong with u man.

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The previous commenter said that Americans will have to get use to a lower standard of living. I pointed out that Americans would be fucking idiots to accept that without the very rich being kneecapped considerably first. I stand by that. Only an idiot country would accept Third World status for 99% with extremely wealthy people not paying their fair share.

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Go to the Philippines and tell me it can’t happen.

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The thing is most women work these days so they don’t need a guy who earns a middle class income. The only way money will get you anywhere is if you are making well into 6 figures (probably 200k and above)

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I’m a good looking man and I can tell you that it’s not this candy coated.

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I know, right? Being good-looking means nothing when you’re a guy.

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I just googled near that exact line!! That is what brought me to this article. Random searches like that often bring me here.

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The worst thing about female hypergamy isn’t the desire for the best possible partners – that’s normal – but the incredibly steep curve that it produces. For every one genetic-lottery-winner guy like that, a dozen go sexless and abandoned. The distribution of sex among men has never been so unequal since the prehistoric times, mainly due to the shifting preferences of women.

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Hey, you’re at least over 6’2″ right? That is a pretty good height I’d say so although you have to deal with not being conventionally good looking you’ll never have to dear with being short.

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Does he have a full head of hair? Im pretty handsome but will probably lose my hair when im older

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Could plastic surgery be the answer? I’m seriously thinking about it. 20k to make your sexual and professional endeavours infinitely easier for the rest of your life…..or a sports car for 5 years…

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“All the game you learn and all the effort you put yourself through to make yourself an attractive man still can’t compete with my friend. ”

Some people were given greatness and others had to sweat and toil for it. But the ones that had to work for it appreciate it more.

Attractive men will get more girls short-term but most have never had to develop a personality to keep a woman interested. Average looking guys who study game learned you have to develop a personality, be more assertive, and improve your looks. In the long run this will be more attractive to girls over looks.

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Agreed. I am Movie Star good-looking so in the short term I can get a lot of women, but it’s been very hard for me to keep any girl, no matter their looks.

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Funny thing is that it may look this way from the outside to Roosh and others but I am actually a very shy person and admire Roosh for getting out there with no fear – looks don’t always equal success.

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Thank you for acknowledge the impact looks have on the game. It’s taken as an article of faith in some game circles online that a guy’s looks are irrelevant—this is delusional. I talked about this back at Roissy’s here:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/12/02/why-men-dont-need-to-worry-so-much-about-their-looks/#comment-291830

The whole comment discussion is worth a read.

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Guys’ looks ARE irrelevant. One of the few things I have going for me is my super-sexy looks. I’ve nearly isolated the variable and found that it means absolutely nothing. There are other variables at work for any guys who you THINK are getting benefits for their looks.

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No. good looks don’t help by themselves if you can’t speak your mind confidently she just won’t be attracted. if you are good looking and you just show up without looking dumb, you wouldn’t have to try hard but for not as good looking guys, majority of the time we will get ignored . Game is needed for ugly guys otherwise she just won’t be attracted to you. Just another dude there

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Also Game helps set the female into the frame of he’s confident strong and because she was so positive about you her opinion of your looks will change to fit you with her desire

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Roosh it would be a good idea if you could name a few famous men that you consider good looking simply for the sake of comparison. For example would you consider Vin Diesel to be good lookingg?

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no. I think he means more like George Clooney.

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He also means more like Ryan Reynolds, Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey, Brad Pitt, Chris Hemsworth, Ryan Gosling, Zac Efron, Varun Dhawan, Bradley Cooper, Hugh Jackman, Adam Levine, Justin Timberlake, Robert Downey, Leonardo Di Caprio, Taylor Lautner etc

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Most white people are ugly.

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I think this answers a question I have had about PUA and game for a while. Looks never seem to be addressed on these sites. Game is awesome, especially for maintaining a relationship, but I’ve never done a cold approach. I go shoot pool with my boys and they come to me. I imagine it would be rather intimidating and I doubt I would be able to do it.

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Different for some people

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I get lots of attention … From mediocre chicks. I have to put work in for the girls i actually want. Guess I’m not as pretty as i thought.

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Hey Roosh! Stop telling my competitors to invest in their looks. It’s much better for me if they think that the secret to success with women is just overwhelming confidence, some PUA lines, and personality!

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Before I had access to texts on the internet as yours, I believed that “being rich” dwarfed “be beautiful” but I realized that there is a “technical tie” between “be rich” and “be nice” and hence the few decades, “be Beautiful” will surpass “be rich” in the West, all because we are in the “age of obesity.”

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You know what dwarfs looks?? Fame and money. It beats looks every day of the week when it comes to women.

I half decent looking famous pro athlete is going to pull like you would never believe.

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Great post bro, just spoke on that today about my boy/ writer Tyler. What I notice is that guys who aren’t that attractive think learning game will help them pull the most attractive woman in the room or supermodels. They still have to work within reality. On average you may pull two to three points higher but you that depends where you’re at on the point scale. This is great if you start at a 7 but if you start at a 4 good luck with pulling a Miranda Kerr

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You know what else?

The guys with the model looks are notoriously badmouthed by the hottest women. They’re often shit in bed or crying wusses with those women. Women are almost universally disappointed by pretty boys. That’s why they’re often single and you don’t see gorgeous people always together. The women are dumping them for more powerful men.

I’m a 6, at most a 7 in looks, but that doesn’t mean anything to me. Having a frame of steel is what counts, so the male 10 with the mushy core can enjoy the spoils of his genetic luck, I don’t give a fuck. He has absolutely no merit compared to a guy like me.

Tampa is fucking on the money.
Fame and semi-fame are the way to go if you’re more average looking.

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Roosh is right. If you’re a tall, classically white boy handsome guy with a borderline narcissistic personality – women will just flock to you. If you have no game, you can still fuck it up mind you. But if you’re handsome and have some game congruent things going for you, the typical american girl who is screening for nothing but sexual attractiveness is gonna be all over you.

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I can’t believe this even merits a post or any discussion. You didn’t figure this out in 8th grade? No shit, attraction is over 80% physical; same in both genders.

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Roosh you are awesome like always.

Pictures with you on my website wink

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I beg to differ, he would get more play than you get in countries such as Lithuania and Ukraine.

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22 – Yeah, I don’t see why this is supposed to be a revelation. I thought people on this site were beyond the “nice guys finish first” nonsense and realized it all came down to SMV.

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Glad to see you cover this topic. I think a the combination of a man’s looks,physique and height are the biggest determinors of how much attention you get. I’m often astounded at the ease with which women will spread their legs for good-looking guys. Us more average guys are constantly battling flakes and resistance while they just keep stumbling into girls handing out pussy for free. This is frustrating but it just gives me more motivation to improve myself in every way possible, physically, socially, fashion, lifestyle.

I like roosh’s international perspective on this. Most of us have never been to a place like Ukraine, so we simply have no idea what it’s like to be somewhere that average or even ugly guys have access to very attractive girls.

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I have a good friend that must be a 9 for the girls. He’s a DJ too, the perfect combo. It’s incredible to see random girls giving him napkins with their numbers written on it. At the end of the week he has a big collection that he just throws away. He has so much choice that he wants more than girls with good look that are giving him numbers, he’s super picky and wants a lady with charm and personality. It’s like the role were reversed, he would be in the skin of a hot chick which all the guys want. I feel like his ugly fat girlfriend sidekick, since the girls approaching him won’t even look at me or talk to me, i’m nonexistent to their world when he’s with me, i’m invisible. The worst part is that i’m not fat and ugly, i’m good looking but a little small, while he’s like a bright star in the darkness for the girls. Hey, even when you game a cute chick and she’s with her fat friend , you acknowledge her, cause you have to game the group and also just to be polite with everyone, fat girls included.
So not only he is constantly being approached, but he has a bunch of beta girls orbiting around him, they have been LJBFed. They all come to him in the bar, one after another, waiting their turn.
He has a FB that he practically doesn’t use , but each time he posts a photo of him, the comments from the girls are flowing like beta men on a hot chick.
We have a good friend in common, and even his GF flirts with him.

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I might disagree with having less luck abroad.

It’s true that looks are generally valued less in countries like Poland and Ukraine because most of the men there dress like 12 year olds and have typical eastern european features.

However, I think that makes a good looking guy stand out even more. Having this conversation with the girl I stayed with in Warsaw, she agreed, she was not proud of her male countrymen in that respect.

While in Ukraine, a girl I met in a club told me I was a beautiful man. Perhaps that’s because she didn’t have such an extensive english vocabulary to interchange handsome, good-looking, attractive, etc. but I think that’s a minor detail.

I’m a pretty good looking guy and it has it’s advantages. Whether here in the states or abroad, good looking is good looking and the more the ratio leans in your favor the better.

While the eastern european women may put less emphasis on looks because reality dictates such, when they do come across a good looking guy, there’s a good chance they will be more excited because of it’s rarity.

A Ferrari in a car show is nice, but when surrounded by average Honda’s and Chevy’s on the road is when the special value of it is realized/appreciated by all.

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hmmmm, the Poland part had me where you stated that its less about looks, well, I went to Poland this year and I had looks of absolute hostility on several occasions, so I must be stand out ugly, or the fact that I’m a born ginger could have something to do with it. but I think looks mean a lot but dominance and looks go much further for sure. a man like myself may get toyed with in a hostile manner sometimes if I’m out dancing (due to not being attractive) but ive been solo for over 10years, and never even dated anything over 5/10 and ive ended up with them due to thinking I couldn’t do any better, and guess what? I was right, and they soon found someone better so to speak.

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But a lot of those studs are paying baby daddy money out the wazoo, lol!

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like your style! being picked by women means you’re their future meal ticket. is it really worth it long term? plus I despise kids anyway. since I reached mid teen years – I said “I’m never having kids, as I simply do not want them”

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i was in the the northeast of brazil for a while.

i definatly noticed that some hot middle class girls were out with guys only for the money.

In the northeast of Brazil you see a lot older men with young, sweet things…..it is all status there.

One of the reasons i left i guess is because it was very discouraging to look your best, try your best game and lose out to a fat, ugly, 55 year old man that drove a HiLux.

If you do not have a car and a lot of money in cities like Fortaleza, Natal, etc…..middle class girls will not give you a sencond look and they are rude, rude, rude I do not know about Rio or Sao Paulo though.

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For women it’s harder when they are not good looking

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That was true in the past but not these days. As long as they aren’t bottom of the barrel women have a lot of options. A lot more than men of comparable looks

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@31, I agree. I’m just getting into Game myself and no matter how daunting the task of approaching strangers may seem, I always remind myself that at the end of the day, men have the upper hand because they get to select based on their standards and have the power to walk away if things don’t go their way–which is why you don’t see less attractive guys cock-blocking their friends out of jealousy nearly to the extent that grenades do to their girl-friends.

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Your determination is contagious.

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Just a few thoughts:

I’m a solid 8/10 guy, between ages of 18-20 I did a bit of modelling – mostly pictures, but one runway. My only setback is Average height, which is why I didn’t do much more runway.

You have to realize that a lot of good looking guys are introverted like me. For me particularly I had a great deal of social anxiety growing up and through high school, but I will say my looks got me out of that hole – girls would approach and despite shyness they would open their legs.

A surprisingly large amount of guys I modeled with were also quite shy – while some of my friends in modeling had ridiculously high partner counts, I would go to a club with some guys who looked even better than me but they wouldn’t approach or anything. Some were even frustrated. One of the guys I know who most girls agree is one of the hottest at the school often goes several months without a girl. And when he’s with one, she’s painfully average.

During the modeling stint I dated two extremely hot female models. Have had very few girls even close to that level in looks, which brings me to my first point: LOCATION and AVAILABILITY is everything.

I go to an Ivy league school where there is a major lack of good looking girls. It doesn’t matter how good looking of a guy you are if the girls who surround you on a day-to-day basis aren’t very spectacular.

Secondly, a vast majority of the hot girls I’ve been with in the past from ages 18-21 I went very soft and beta after banging them. It’s what I thought they wanted. You have no idea the amount of conflict in a girls head when she’s attracted to your looks but your behavior is disgusting to her. While good looks might initially attract the girl, bad behavior will repel her just as fast.

I get criticized by many girls on my choice in women. I often go below my level in looks (6-7/10 girls) and hearing “You can do better” doesn’t help my game out at all. One of the problems of being attractive is that both men and women alike expect you to be dating the best, but when you come up short there is a great deal of dissonance you deal with. While I do notice hotter women checking me out, I rarely approach them. Many nights I’ll see a fine girl and we’ll check each other out for a while but nothing happens.

Many attractive guys like myself end up hooking up with less attractive women because they make it so easy. Bad game gets reinforced when you talk to 6s and some 7s who will hang on every word you say and will open their legs no matter what you say. This should be encouraging for less attractive men, as many of the hottest guys at my university aren’t even going for the hottest girls.

I do have some extremely attractive friends who are hooking up with only 8+ girls. But even they aren’t maximizing their potential. Most of them rarely go out enough to maintain a rotation of attractive girls.

The extended eye contact and approach invitations are very true – one of the most common moves hot girls do to you at a club is walk by, gently stroke your arm and smile as they pass. But unlike Roosh’s friend, you usually still have to do the approaching, which is where I’ve seen even hotter guys than me falter. Back to the accessibility note, many times these hot girls who give me invitations, however, are ALREADY TAKEN. That’s a major confound in the “good looking guys have it all” – its hard to game the hottest girls in a venue without looking like a major tool when they came with a guy in the first place.

All and all if more average guys just put themselves out there more than good looking men, they’ll do much better. Many attractive men will garner a great deal of attention from girls but won’t do anything with that attention until a 6/7 girl does the approaching for them and goes home with him.

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Lol hot girls will try to talk to you when they bring someone else. They do it to make him jealous. Been down that road, its a bunch of bullshit.

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There is another factor at play. Women in America are far, FAR, more aggressive than women anywhere else.

I left North America a while ago. Since being in Europe, women will NOT approach. It happens once in a while, but usually I get approached by….you guessed it….an American woman.

When I went back to the US for work women were aggressively pursuing me.

Let me say this. It might seem like that’s cool and everything but once you get a taste of how women “should” behave (i.e. not replicating men by approaching themselves), you soon lose interest in these American tactics. It isn’t feminine. It is no longer attractive.

Sure I was taken back for a while, not being used to having approach women. But Europe has made me a better person as a result. Happier as well. Men are built to be hunters, take that out of the equation and something will seem like it’s missing. Maybe not everyone in my situation would feel that way but I sure did, I just didn’t realize it until I was faced with different dynamics.

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uk women are very aggressive pursuers too if a man has looks. but if a man can dance, someone like myself has been aggressively pursued on a few occasions in clubs too, and ive ended up ignoring them as if they weren’t there. this nearly got me into a fight on a couple of occasions once because I ignored her. I think she was actually mocking me though because of my lack of looks admittedly. I dance totally differently to the way other people do in clubs. so people aren’t used to seeing this, I guess the only thing they can do is to nastily mock me however. I find it daunting when you’re dancing passionately feeling the music when suddenly some woman aggressively starts prancing around you right infront of you. I get the impression that theyre trying to physically provoke me also, like they want to fight me or something. maybe this is what they want due to myself being seen as ugly.

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@19 virgile kent
agreed with good game you can only shoot 1-3 points above yourself
like i rate myself a 4…with good game i should score with 5-7s
if i want to improve my quality of girls than i have to DHV or impove passive game(lift weights,play sport,dress well,language,cash,etc.)
this artivle sums it up
http://www.returnofkings.com/999/passive-game-vs-active-game#comments

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As western women become more masculinized, with higher baseline T-levels, looks become more important to them. They also begin to pursue relatively aggressively for a woman – giving blatant IOIs. Unfortunately this behavior is most predominant among lantern-jawed, apple-shaped 5s and 6s punching above their weight.

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ive felt this sometimes when I have been dancing. 6’s – is about right. and to me 6/10 is ugly and disgusting. also overweight to me is grotesque. I danced one night in 2014 and 6-7 of those types got right infront of me within 45minutes, and I just wanted to walk out the bar. I absolutely hated it, felt stifled by this and grossed out. I’m a gentle natured man who ideally values gentle natured femininity, not women who look like they’re looking for a physical fight. which I experienced very often when I dance in night bars/clubs. most of them are liquored up mind, which helps none. I hate aggressive women more than anything. promiscuous to me is also as disgusting as aggressive. for me, they go hand in hand. myself not being blessed with looks and being autistic and red headed has gone against me all of my years though. I’ve never been with a 7/10 and most likely never will be. I’m nearly 39 now and men past 35 have far less options unless theyre financially very rich

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You also have to think about what constitutes ‘handsome.’ Let’s just say we could agree on how to rank men on looks. To experience what Roosh describes, how high up the ranks must you be? 90th percentile (ie 1 in 10)? 95th? I’m guessing his friend is at least at 95th percentile, probably 98 or 99th.

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This bro was a good-looking guy all throughout high school and his twenties. He was only of average height and build, but his face and hair were damned near on par with Brad Pitt in his prime.

Girls gave him open signs of interest all the time. The best looking girl in any given place would often make it her mission to bed him that night. Beautiful girls fell effortlessly into his lap and none of them really seemed to mind being part of his soft harem. It just made it even more thrilling for them.

Because of his ease in getting female attention, he develops a confident, funny persona that attracts the girls even more. His looks, charisma, and preselection, made him absolutely deadly. Landing hot models with no job or car.

But he has a weakness. At heart, he needs the female attention so much that he behaves like a spoilt schoolboy when a relationship doesn’t go his way. He simply can’t take it when a girl rejects him for whatever reason, because he craves blanket acceptance. His pissy tantrums and hidden insecurity become legendary among girls, and his star slowly fades.

Because of all those years of hot girls, his standards for beauty are set ridiculously high. He will accept nothing less than a 9 or 10.

The problem is, he never needed wealth, fame, or even much game to get girls when he was younger. So he failed to develop any of these things. He held menial jobs, was perpetually broke, and always relying on his boyish looks and charm to get girls who would pay for things.

After years of his alphatude weakening into betatude, he finally got a hold of a hot young girl that did him in. Where he would have had the upper hand before, he decided to give in this time and let her have more control. She used it to destroy him.

Now he is a tired and broken man. Hasn’t had a woman in a long time. Doesn’t have any idea how he used to do it so easily. Would never be able to write a book on game, even though he has probably bedded a lot more 9s than Roosh has.

Looks ain’t everything.

[Roosh: Nice parable]

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Yeah, that’s me. I’m 28, broke, just got out of a nasty marriage of 3 years. I haven’t had sex in 2 years.

I tried getting in touch with 2 dozen girls that I had banged in college; a few replied and nobody gave a hoot.

Sitting in my 400 sq ft apartment wondering wtf happened.

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reminds me of my older friend now 54, had all the women as he looked like Farley granger. past early 30’s things begin to change as a man matures into an older mantle piece – where those women no longer see him as desirable. so looks and not having looks are both a curse. when a man has no looks, nobody wants him, they will then eventually settle for him and use him up for every penny that he has, yet secretly most those used up women will despise him and use him as a meal ticket to live the good life, while they end up looking for a man they really do desire once they have the security, guess what happens? those unatteactive looking men end up being taken for a ride (and not in the way they wish to be either) and end up broken and penniless due to not being attractive in the first place. just remember that for men who aren’t desirable to begin with. women will never want to be with men they don’t see as physically attractive for the most part. the cold hearted truth is – they want the nice facial symmetry, and beautiful looking things, but they know deep down that the symmetry is very short lived, so they have to settle for the meal ticket to keep themselves secured with enough money to last a lifetime, but what I love most, is how they lose their looks after a certain age, and the best of the best men wont go near them, and due to the fact that those women become washed up, haggered and ugly, they either have to lower their standards or end up with a dozen cats. and they toggle with cats and chasing men with high amounts of money just to secure their living inbetween ending up alone. in the mean time however, most men go through life being unwanted deep down and secretly lonely, but they will never admit this to themselves. at least I’m one of the men who admits to being a loner whos ugly, bitter, sick and twisted, but this isn’t of any fault of my own, I was born this way. a ginger aspergian man who was seen to be ridiculed, and often bullied.

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What do they call it???

“Don’t Fuck it Up Game”

My best friend is like a 8.5-9. His game sucks, he doesn’t talk much, he gets laid all the time.

He always asks me for advice and I give it but he still gets more quantity and quality then me.

“Approaching is the great equalizer”

“We have to hustle more for not hitting the genetic lottery. And I completely accept that. I want beautiful and feminine women, and I will do what it takes to get them”

Amen to that!

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How handsome are we talking about ?

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Its great to be attractive and handsome for a man but if he has some brains too-it smore important! Of cours eits easier in terms of varieties and quantities but everyone has his bad and good days..I disagree with Roosh about his comment that his handsome friend dosnt need to leave America in order to go to Europe ,why not?!He can have variuos fan there as well! As same applies to you Roosh, start approaching American girls, with all the experiences and all the tricks you ‘ve learned -you will have no problem to get any girl you wish-WORLDWIDE!

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pics or it didnt happen

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@34 Datbro

Sorry bro, but you got no place to complain here, about society expecting you to date hotter chicks, and dating down with 7’s that throw themselves at you. At least you get easy sex with a cute (7) chick, while guys like myself in the 6-7 range have to work like a dog to hook up with chicks that are equal in looks. Good luck hooking up with 8+ caliber women, I have dated/fucked a handful, but it’s definitely not the norm.

Just grow some balls and start approaching women, I’m sure there are plenty of hot women that give you the IOIs, just step up to the plate. You will surely need less game, then less attractive men.

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#36 Makes a good point taking it back to active and passive game. A guy with a handsome face but bad clothes, lousy haircut, skinny with bad posture, shy, low income job ect– I know guys like this and although they ARE handsome and get lots of compliments, the rest of their passive game is a mess.
Even if their passive game is okay on the whole, it’s like #34 says, they often lack the confidence to actively approach the girls as hot as them, but feel weird about approaching girls who are way less attractive than them, like 5’s and 6’s. Meanwhile everyone keeps telling them how easy they have it (which it would become if they figured out a few things), but it’s not, yet. So you end up hoping that a girl will you. Which happens– rarely.
I’m not saying they deserve much pity, but there are guys out there who are very handsome but very frustrated. Even the top 1% has to have some game.

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Looks give your game a boost anywhere in the world.

Without looks you need to work harder.

So WORK HARDER.

And be proud of that and of what you achieve.

The good looking guy will get girls due to his looks, you’ll get girls due to your effort.

Bottom line – you both get girls, and chances are you’ll enjoy them more since you put your heart in the game.

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Roosh…can you please post a pic of your friend for reference?

This hasn’t been my experience at all. I’m told I’m very good looking, and in Japan people were incredibly friendly; women told me in restaurants that I look like a model, middle aged men bought me dinner with no expectations. In Brazil I get looks all the time and feel appreciated. In the US I think there’s much LESS of an aesthetic sense, and I get much less attention, and often open hostility. Yes I’ve had episodes like what you describe with your friend, girls hitting on me in bars, girls making out with me on the street, yelling out that I’m hot, etc., but those are the exceptions. Very often I strike out with the girls I want, and very often I feel I’m getting much less attention and appreciation than in the countries I mentioned.

Anyway please post a pic of your friend or give a close physical description so we can judge.

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@45

Thanks for the response.

But one of the main premises of my post was to point out that many guys at top tier in looks are not all Paul Jankas, most of them don’t bother approaching hot women so keep that in mind if you ever think you are limited by your looks – quite often you are not, with solid game, that cute guy she kept looking at before you approached won’t even be an afterthought in her mind in 5-15 minutes.

I’ll cite a previous Roosh piece on this one:
http://www.rooshv.com/he-who-hesitates-masturbates

Game really is the great equalizer, especially when good looking guys get complacent and expect the girl to do the work for them – trust me, its pretty easy to get that behavior reinforced. While I’m more game aware than all my buddies (started during the social anxiety years), all the game knowledge in the world amounts to nothing when you expect the pussy to be thrown at you.

To that extent, You all might disagree with me on this but I really think that good looking guys have a lower limit to how good their game can get.

:O

I’m serious.

UNLESS they are surrounding themselves with 8+ girls on at least a weekly basis, which at my college is impossible, great looking guys just don’t ever have the need to develop a high aptitude of game in the first place.

There are literally only 2 guys I know above an 8/10 in looks who have what I’d consider “player” status with game.

There is a huge void of high level game for average-relatively attractive men IMO.

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@48

What parts of the US have you been? You could go to Santa Cruz California, be a complete hit with the ladies there, and then travel just 70 miles to San Francisco and strike out left and right. Guys with top-tier looks typically do better in SouthernCal than NorthernCal IMO. In other states you’d be surprised how different reception you get. Try all the big states, Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, Miami, before you sell America as being hostile to your looks.

While a prominent jawline, high cheekbones, and symmetry are classically accepted as “attractive” for men, what stands out model men from other regular attractive guys is “the look” – a very unique look that stands out to model talent scouts which is why not every attractive guy can be a model.

I really think “the look” affects women’s preferences too. Some just might be digging your look more than others. This is why you should NEVER be outcome dependant when you are a good looking guy and aren’t getting what you want. And to that effect, an average looking guy might have a “look” that a cute girl nearby completely digs, and he’s in there like swimwear.

“Very often I strike out with the girls I want” – I’ve noticed this too. I’ve scored with numerous hotties before but generally its not a particular girl I’m lusting for. Sometimes they’ve even chased me. I think the issue with both of us is that you’re placing too much value on the girl you REALLY want, and it’s all implicit and subconscious.

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its ironic that the best looking men don’t have access to the best looking i.e., slavic women in slavic countries.

which is great for the average looking guys who work hard on cultivating other aspects of our lives. although we have to work hard for access for average girls in the west, all that hard work puts us in a great spot for the best top-tier girls, while the neighborhood DJ/aspiring actor can have what is ultimately second class.

If I had to boil it down to a sort of math formula. I would say the further East you go, the more personality and ability to assume traditional male role matters, also humor is definately helpful. The more west you go, the more looking like a male model matters and the less personality and being able to take on traditional roles matter. i.e. unemployed dj/aspiring actor does amazing in the west but fails miserably in slavic countries.

so on the one end (east): slavic countries
middle: europe, incluing scandinavia all the way t o say england (obviously huge variance among euro states)
then the other end: usa, canada, australia (And arguably GB)

if we had to break it down socio-politically,
the countries with the least wars that are geographically isolated from danger exihibit female western behaviour. the countries with the most historical wars an the most dangerous to war areas historically (i.e. slavic countries) exhibit the females with the eastern mentality.

the complete seperation from war, and indeed – the need for any raw male physical labour whatesover to earn a living (i.e. most westerners earn livings as information workers) – makes the distnctions between man/woman confused, if not completely obsolete in the west. its not surprising gender roles break down almost completely…

of course… history and neccessity tells us that shit eventually always hits the fan. so don’t expect it to last for ever.