Your Life Will Always Be Full Of Struggle

There is work you are doing right now to reach certain goals or improve your standard of living, but even if you succeed on those efforts, the satisfaction that results will not be sustained. There may be moments of satisfaction, especially right after a notable achievement, but then you will return to unsatisfaction and commence a new struggle. This process will repeat until you die, meaning life will never get easier.

Achieving a higher level in life simply unveils a new level that you didn’t notice before. For example, when you don’t get laid, you think all that matters is getting laid, but once that begins to happen, you then want to get laid with a certain quality. The difficulty it took for you to get laid at all will be much less than the difficulty it takes to lay your dream girl. The amount of labor and struggle you are required to put into getting laid, whether you’re hitting clubs every night or maintaining a serious relationship, will therefore not decrease. The same happens with money. An amount that would have satisfied you today will soon not be enough. The struggle you put forth to make your first $100,000 will be as intense as the march towards your first million.

Accomplishment increase your standards, but standards are easily adaptable, creating a spiral staircase of accomplishment and adaptation. A girl that you would make love to five years ago is one you wouldn’t notice today. A payday that would have caused you to celebrate in the past is now pocket change. Therefore the amount of effort you put into your goals never decreases. Relaxation remains elusive. You will enjoy a new state of achievement for a short time before your brain pushes you to tackle something harder that requires even more labor. Step by step you climb to loftier heights of life’s ladder, but each additional step takes the work of the two that preceded it.

Get rid of the notion that you will ever arrive. Forget about wanting to work less. Things will only get harder because each additional success you experience will push you into an elite standard that requires even more skills and labor. You will have to learn more, experiment more, and fail more. The goal you are working on today will eventually lead to an even harder goal, and this process will be repeated throughout your life unless you drop out of all races entirely.

Some men keep their standards stable, but I know of very few who can do so. Perhaps it’s the flaw of man to have a stubborn desire to look upwards at what more he can attain, and that, I’m afraid, will require much more of you tomorrow than what you are doing today. The nature of man dictates that there is little room for satisfaction and comfort in his life.

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  1. WallStreetPlayboys December 6, 2013 at 9:31 am

    If you are not growing, you are dying.

    1. rwa December 7, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      When you think: All I need, I already have, then, thats freedom. I dont understand why to live in pain. Let go and live.

      you are not growing, you are dying.” No, where you learned this? That
      life must be a struggle is nothing more, than a belief.

      1. RJKJ December 7, 2013 at 6:09 pm

        To me that whole war/struggle mind set frays the mind and runs the gears of one soul agai st each other. Shenzhen Young a meditation teacher and mathematician teaches how life is a learning process. I prefer the learning process mentality- you learn to do things better- isn’t that half of innovation besides the desperation or spark of creativity that brings forth the desire to create better things/processes? I don’t like the war mentality- if any of you have ever engaged in violent acts you know the act itself is quite easy- it’s the process and psychological drama leading up to it that grinds the years and burns you out. The machismo violent act of the war me Raleigh is very easy it’s the mental trauma that’s hard. Like I said I’d rather learn and apply to real life instead of get trapped in a particular mentality some of which I think is a byproduct of the master-slave dynamic of corporatism aka the way the man runs the modern World.

      2. Fathercoughlin December 8, 2013 at 8:57 pm

        He got that from Morgan Freeman in “The Shawshank Redemption”.

      3. Franz Saint-Fleur January 31, 2016 at 9:49 am

        So, it all depending on your goals in life: When you exercise depending on your fitness goal you can exercise to stay healthy. Sure it’s not to work just stay healthy. (I mean looking average no 6 pack but just healthy) But if your goal is to be a fitness model or athlete than you go through pain when you exercise. But the pain is good, even enjoyable. I love it when I am sore the next day. So, no it’s not that you have to live in pain. It’s not really pain to us. However what is Super painful for me is not pursuing my goals. To do that I have to go through struggle or disappointment, BUT again it’s not a pain that makes me unhappy. The pain or struggle is more of an indicators that I am getting strong/smart/faster/wealthier. I lost a business and was living with my mom, broke, penniless. But going through that I learned how to build a successful business and that “pain” taught my how to succeed. Which I am reminded of everytime I do something I love like travel. Without the pain I won’t have the money and time to do things like travel. So, it all depending on your goals in life.

  2. zxcv December 6, 2013 at 10:10 am

    How do you know this?You have never achieved anything in life.Are you rich,do you have a career?Can you get laid with a 9 in ANY COUNTRY in the world?

    No you can’t.You have level of maturity of 18 years old.You are not authorized to give such advises.

  3. Diego December 6, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Very True Roosh, when you do something because it’s your passion you always strive for more

  4. Mike December 6, 2013 at 10:36 am

    The will to want is pre-programmed in our human brains. Accomplishment creates more want. Solve all of your problems and your bound to find more.

    However, Roosh, don’t you think that with the ability to consciously point out this aspect of the human experience also gives you an opportunity to accept it and overcome it?

    Now that we KNOW that to be human is to only desire more, can we come up above our desires? Can we be OK with what we have?

    Perhaps meditation can unlock the doors.

    1. Franz Saint-Fleur January 31, 2016 at 9:56 am

      I think you can be ok with what you want, but for some like myself I love what I have but I am still alive. So, as long as I live I want more, I want more so I can help more people. For ex, a man becomes rich in his town, now he can give to his community. That man becomes wealthy in his country so now he helps rebuild up his nation. That same man becomes super successful and uses that to help the world. Look at the creator of 5 hour energy Manoj Bhargava (SK energy is a better product but anyways) Look at what he is doing.

  5. JC December 6, 2013 at 10:45 am

    very uplifting!

  6. JQ December 6, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Some people cannot stop running. After they got what they wanted and went for retirement they found out they cannot handle it. They get back into business, they try new things and so on until they die. They just love to run. It is a struggle? In many ways yes. But is a struggle you love.

  7. Tom Dane December 6, 2013 at 10:54 am

    My former boss sold his company for about $20 million. After a week he opened a new company and told me, now his goal was to become a billionaire.

    1. Clark Kent October 9, 2015 at 9:57 am

      You should have told him about Kratom.

  8. James December 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    For Eastern European bang missions what’s the best way to get heth care over there if needed? Is here an insurance plan in America you can purchase? If you don’t have insurance will they treat you over there?

    1. James December 6, 2013 at 12:04 pm

      Typo on my I phone-
      Should read health care.

      How do you get health insurance for traveling across Eastern Europe?

      1. captain america December 6, 2013 at 8:47 pm

        i went back to ukraine for six months after two years there in peace corps. fortunately didn’t need any healthcare while i was there, but the peace corps doctor told me that major surger is a few thousand $$$ and you should be able to pay for anything out of pocket. granted, this was almost ten years ago, but maybe it’s still like that. your big concern in ukraine, and i think anywhere in eastern europe, is finding competent medical care. i’d network with locals for this.

  9. Adelbert Cunth December 6, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    There is a practice where you cut all of the bullshit out, worldly pleasures ETC, and it’s called meditating, Not that bullshit yoga new age junk, i’m talking real sensory deprivation hypnosis, You become unconscious but you can observe things, it’s amazing, and the only real break you can get from life, the good thing is about this practice, when you are under in a trance, time feels 10 times longer which is amazing, because one hour feels like you spent an entire day somewhere else, The downside to this is that it takes about 2 months of practice to get good enough to where it feels like your mind is having a 30 min orgasm, certainly more pleasure than you’ll ever get from a woman, and it’s free.

    The reason this meditation feels so good is because it is getting close to being dead. Life is hard, and it’s stupid to try to control all these variables in your favor to be happy, Leaving the goal of happiness up to some “optical illusion” is retarded and empty, You get used to a faster car, you get used to a bigger house, What wealth does is this. It gives you a better “life outlook” but does not directly work as a path to happiness(for the first 6 months to 2 years it does), You can think, Ah man now i can love myself because of a certain number of 0’s in my bank account. We can never be satisfied, it’s wired into us so we keep improving and evolving, if we were satisfied we’d just get no where. The human condition is tragic. Try this experiment, now that it is xmas, go and buy something nice for yourself. You will still feel exactly the same as you did the day before you woke up. I feel better just saving my money than ever spending it. You get numb from a torquier car that handles good, and used to a bigger room. Simple as. Success has to be an attitude about yourself as you will not be able to achieve this attitude through materialism. Someone richer or with a bigger dick than you will just ruin your day if you think with this kind of ego.

    You need to free yourself from the mortal coil mentally, The more you care the more life hurts, practice letting go. A lot of this nervousness and anxiety is fear of death syndrome, Being alpha is 100% about knowing you do not matter and that your time is running out right now, not even 1 billion$ is going to stop you from being dead, The average smuck wants to be elitist, and an elitist fears his demise. Being wealthy only makes you cling to life more and suffer just as bad. now you have a rich life, you think all day about dying and losing everything, and you go crazy.

    in-fact a lot of billionaires are now investing heavily in life extension companies and such as it seems like the technology is close enough now. The taoist belief system means accepting never being satisfied. I’d say that chasing women is a terrible way to think you’ll be happy, With a woman, its an equal exchange, so what is the gain? if its zero sum?

    the effort/money/time you have to go through to meet one, the effort you have to put in keeping one, for a 10 second orgasm? it seems like a lot of men on this site have fallen under the female spell, i think a real alpha would just avoid women completely as they are garbage and a waste of life, a real alpha can jerk off instead of running around trying to meet a dumb skank no? The void you have is FEAR OF MORTALITY, do not confuse it with the need to be controlled by a whore. This whole pickup culture is betas who are under the spell of women. Awful. Woman = grief. There are only two things on this earth that will destroy a man QUICK, Alcohol+ Women. Signs of weak character.

    1. thecaptainpower December 6, 2013 at 1:51 pm

      ugh, thats that Ghandi/Dalia Lama theory….I agree with meditation and inner peace to some extent, but you if you don’t stay motivated you will die out soon. Capitalism has extended the life expectancy by 30 years since 1900, India is the worst country, and nuclear weapons ended full scale wars.

      1. Adelbert Cunth December 6, 2013 at 2:49 pm

        Its Taoism, Read Tao Te Ching, very simple philosophic concept, read up on chuang tzu and lao tzu, The point is not to “give up” the point is that we carry a heavy burden when we are frustrated about accomplishments, When we don’t care we relieve the burden which allows us to work EVEN HARDER, like dropping a 100 lb bag of psychological guilt off your shoulders. I never said give up on life and retreat into meditation, and.. Taoism is 1000 year ancient much before the commercial charlatans ruined it, when you live fearless, and guilt free, you feel light, like everything is easy. Light weight. That’s what “enlightened” means, literally, to feel like things are easy. In order to become alpha you must read Friedrich Nietzsche’s “will to power” he wrote the most epic tomb on how to be an alpha male in the world. Game is sexualized philosophy, so why not study the pioneers of game? Genius’s who sat for decades figuring out what it’s all about. Just let go…. to attach yourself to the outcome of life is to be a BETA MALE, Only a beta male lives day to day whining all day about life

    2. Cyrus December 6, 2013 at 5:23 pm

      “The reason this meditation feels so good is because it is getting close to being dead. ”

      I’ve heard this too and it makes one wonder if it would simply be better to be dead. I know this sounds morbid and all, but even near death experiences bring some kind of enlightenment to those who go through it. Seems like the further one is away from the human existence I.e. the closer to death the more appealing it is. Then one hears of Out Of Body Experiences (OBE) that people can self induce are very profound according to those who have them.

      This brings the question as to whether or not there is any point to life and wouldn’t makes sense to put a gun to one’s head and call it quits?

  10. The Lieutenant December 6, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    That discomfort with where we’re at is the driving force behind man’s fantastic achievements. It has caused bridges to be built, moonshots, and the atom to be split.

    Part of my problem is that I rarely take the time to actually enjoy the view where I’m at… I’m constantly uncomfortable, looking up, trying to move forward, starting that next business.

    Good article Roosh – I like how you captured this powerful DRIVE programmed into man from eons of evolution.

  11. Worldmusic December 6, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    This is so fucking true. I finally got my ESL Certificate to teach English overseas. I am in a foreign country of my choice. Well, the organization I am teaching has turned out to be quite shady. The pay is shit. The school is kinda corrupt. I am already looking to jump to another company. The foreign city I am living in is quite difficult to navigate physically and culturally. After an initial HIGH of being overseas finally, I experienced quite a low last week. But fuck it, I am NOT going back. This is it. Time to Man up, and push forward! Things will be difficult. I may or quite possibly WILL be broke for awhile. And pussy may not be available at all for quite awhile (Damn #1 reason for doing this in the first place!). But I am learning a foreign language. I am adapting. Making friends and contacts with locals. Learning the political landscape. Life is HARD!! EVERYWHERE!!!! You cannot expect to escape hard work and struggle. And if you choose the life of an expat expect lots of it. But remember what brought you there. I look to others for inspiration. Damn, if Nelson Mandela could survive all those years in prison, I think I can deal with a shady job contract!

    1. JR December 6, 2013 at 8:19 pm

      Is the job in Eastern Europe?

      I could see the Middle East or Asia sucking ass but please tell me such a shit job its not in slavic doll land…

      1. Arian December 7, 2013 at 12:45 am

        I work in Afghanistan actually, and this place rocks. Beautifull women, foreign clubs and bars, you can get every drug you want for barely 1 dollar a gram and theres good payment too! i get 2500$ for translating German-English-Dari

  12. Vincent Vinturi December 6, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    This is reminiscent of the very first chapter from “Way of the Superior Man” where David Deida writes “stop hoping for a completion”. Well written, Roosh.

  13. energy law December 6, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    I sometimes think ambition is a curse. I envy men who are happy with their lot in life, quite content with the status quo, never wanting more. I am cursed with wanting more. I am cursed with wanting to reach the next level, even if it might be beyond my reach. Am I doomed to a life of misery?

    1. John Steven December 19, 2013 at 8:24 pm

      I believe many people try to live a life of tranquility charmed by the simple things we all can enjoy without struggling with ambition and some succeed
      where other’s never seem to find peace! What is the secret? I think it is your goals in life. You have to establish goals, and you need to learn to give more and more to others along the way.
      Giving in life is a way to be inspired that everything is going to be ok not just with your own family, but for the welfare of many others you may choose to help along life’s path!
      So helping others and making this a priority along with good business sense is vital for a balanced undselfish approach to your goals and will temper your ambitions to have more than you need and more than the other guy! So it’s loving concern for the poorer man that is a major step in living right in this world especially, if you are rich and increased in goods!

  14. J December 6, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    I am trying to produce a downward spiral of srandards. Not with women, but with comfort. Luxury is weakness. If I can get over the consumer mindset, I’m hoping my struggle will have a little more meaning and practicality.

  15. Michel De Montaigne December 6, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    It is a sign of contraction of the mind when it is content, or of weariness. A spirited mind never stops within itself; it is always aspiring and going beyond its strength.

    -Michel de Montaigne

  16. prepped December 6, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    I attempt to do the opposite and remove costly ambition from my life, to live as simply as possible while still enjoying a lifestyle that satisfies my desires. I find that if you’re a valuable person and add interest and variety to the lives of the rich and ambitious, they’ll gladly share their wealth with you by providing opportunities to dine, drink, travel and socialize with them on their dime. It may seem to be a parasitic life, but it isn’t if you’re not dependent on others. Hence, living as simply as possible provides the greatest degree of freedom from my years of escaping the rat race, which is largely a product of man’s abitition.

    1. John Steven December 19, 2013 at 8:35 pm

      You could easily become a missionary!

  17. Buddy Orion December 6, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Get busy living or get busy dying.

  18. Brian December 7, 2013 at 2:25 am

    This is somewhat true but I find most people only put in a minimal amount work when they have to. Know quite a few guys with wife’s who live comfortably with their corporate jobs and spend time playing video games. Very few people achive a lot without someone breathing down there neck. It takes a lot of willpower or desperation to achieve something and you have to really want it for yourself which is what I found drives me the most.

  19. Armchair General December 7, 2013 at 7:29 am

    Stability is wisdom. Wisdom is not trait of the masses

    1. John Steven December 19, 2013 at 8:33 pm

      The wisest man I know had a thousand wives. Why? He entertained in love and married all of them succesfully!

  20. Stijn Vogels December 7, 2013 at 8:57 am

    It’s called ambition and it’s a good thing. Just settling for ‘good enough’ is what will make you wonder ‘what if’ on your deathbed. That’s just not for me.

  21. Lemon December 7, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Once you pass 45 or so, it all starts sliding downhill, slowly at first then faster. No matter how well you’ve done, your career gets harder because you no longer get opportunities.

    Your sex life and stamina decline, women treat you like a daddy not a lover. Most of the women who talk to you are desperate 40 year old cat ladies.

    Above all you are so angry, because you are a 30 year old inside your mind, who still has the competitive fire but no longer has that amazing stamina to support it.

    So you fight even harder. The fight gets more serious. You have one more shot, maybe two, but probably just one. You strip away extraneous bullshit because you have to. You take your aim much more carefully cause it may be your last.

    You enjoy the fight more because you realize, the fight is the fun part.

    But make no mistake. Being a 50 year old guy with no money is deadly. Better have cash in the bank.

    1. John Steven December 19, 2013 at 8:29 pm

      I have no cash in the Bank and am 63, but I’m happy like a teenager in heart that get’s better day by day by learning the principles associated with giving to others who are younger but happy to receive all you can share both spiritually and materially in this life!

  22. Ninja man December 7, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Would you rather have a 100 million in a country of billionaires or a thousand amongst those with no more than a dollar? A lot of it is ego and I know Roosh has done something on the insatiable appetite of ego. Anyway, look to those poorer than you, how they smile and give thanks for everyday (yes I know not all do but you get my meaning). Social living is a must, community etc
    sadly where I live it’s every man for himself, money, girls, the lot, fall behind and you’re fucked. It hardens you up more than you’d like but when you lift weight you only get stronger.

  23. AFemaleCat December 7, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    I look at it a bit differently. When I was working for a corporation, they kept giving me more and more difficult tasks to do and there was never any reward (that I could see within 10 years, if ever.) But when you are in control of your own life like Roosh then things are VERY different. You get ideas and you want to do them and it’s fun to do them! It’s pain in the ass of course…I don’t even want to know the stress Roosh has been under dealing with ROK website issues….but at the end you do get that high. But I’ll be honest…and I think it’s the honest truth…the reason why men give up is because at least for me the work at the corporation was insanely difficult (more difficult than being self-employed) and there was no reward psychologically or financially. And many people have jobs like those and can’t get out of them.

  24. #Facts December 7, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    And vnto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened vnto the voyce of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commaunded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eate of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake: in sorow shalt thou eate of it all the dayes of thy life.

  25. practicalh December 8, 2013 at 5:44 am

    Great reminder to anyone who puts their dating life on hold till their life gets in order. It never will. There will always be challenges and issues. They are called … life.

    1. John Steven December 19, 2013 at 8:31 pm

      Life as you suggest can also be more exciting, if you entertain the idea of
      leading a life that is more spiritual in nature.

  26. Joe Dick December 8, 2013 at 8:18 am

    ”there is work you are doing right now to reach certain goals or improve your standard of living, but even if you succeed on those efforts, the satisfaction that results will not be sustained.”

    well, so what? you’ll still be better off than you were earlier. It’s like starving and then being able to have a meal a day. Not ideal, but you are still better off. The problem is unrealistic expectations. We believe in stupid bullshit like ‘happiness’. In Europe , if you tell people american culture crap such as ‘don’t you think that HAPPINESS is the most important thing?’ they will probably stare at you blankly. A lot of ‘self-help culture’ is a load of crap. The concept of ‘happiness’ is meaningless. You can strive toward more comfort, more sex, whatever, but not toward ‘happiness’, because only idiots will be happy and only idiots believe they can be ‘happy’. Another American culture crap thing I find ridiculous, is the idea that someone who ISN’T happy, is someone to be avoided, a weirdo, a creep, etc. Such a dumbass ‘culture’. In fact, I think that if you aren’t at least a bit angry or ‘unhappy’, then you AREN’T fucking normal. The only thing you should not do is blame ‘society’ and making dumbass generalizations like these. PS. none of the above has anything to do with Roosh, just saying.

    1. stopyourbetawhining December 8, 2013 at 6:45 pm

      I believe it was the french philosopher Voltaire who said, “Happiness is a dream, Pain is real”

      Soren Kierkegaard later stated, my kind of friendly advice is this ” do it, or do it not, you will regret both”

  27. Nevestinka December 8, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Hi Roosh!

    I have an unrelated question:
    If a girl is taller that you, would you still like to see her in high heels?

  28. EU guy December 8, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    That is the age old question – The Road to Ithaca

    Odysseus, king of the island of Ithaca, is one of the first heroes that jumps on the opportunity to go fight against Troy, seeking glory and treasure – he is the one that convinces Achiles too to tag along. Troy, the richest city in the Aegean, also the best defended, is the ultimate target. After a long decade of war, difficulties, near death experiences, Odysseus achieves thanks to his genious and his plan with the construction of the Trojan war to take over the city. Goal achieved. New goal becomes ”the return to Ithaca”, to find back his kingdom, his wife and son, see again his father if he is still alive. Yet the Gods are dissatisfied with his actions and curse his trip with tons of adventures that end up in killing all his comrades and him being shipwrecked in an isolated island and imprisoned by a lonely minor Goddess, Kalypso who treats him well but keeps him for years even promising him immortality. But Odysseus is not swayed, fixed upon his target of returning back to Ithaca and eventually even the Gods are convinced by his persevearence and let him achieve his goal. Odysseys returns back home, scans the situation with all those noblemen courting his wife so as to take over power over the island, and his new target prior to meet up his wife become to kill these suitors of his wife. And he lays out a plan which also involves revealing first himself to his son, and follows it methodically untill killing them all. The he finally rejoins his wife too.

    All is well then. But no! Guess what! Other myths that go beyond the Odyssey, mention that Odysseus, by then growing old, became soon bored at his home with his son already being grown up and ready to take over, his wife too getting old (no matter he loved her) – he was not a man to stay and do nothing. He quit from his throne, leaving it to his son, and took a ship and went westwards seeking new adventures.

    The Odyssey is the quintessential example of what life for a man is all about :

    THE VOYAGE. It is what my fellow-Greek poet, K. Kavafis had written in his poem ”Ithaca” something like the following :

    ”When you have set sail for your return to Ithaca, wish that your voyage will be long, difficult, full of adventure. Cos when you get back to Ithaca you will realise that it was all about the voyage.”

    1. EU guy December 8, 2013 at 8:42 pm

      Interestingly Odysseus name means ”one who causes or is subject to trouble” !!! I.e. not a troublemaker exactly, not a man who succumbs to trouble but a man who has to constantly deal with trouble and difficulties. A very fitting name. Apparently that was his nickname used by Homer, the poet who wrote Odyssey, since it described perfectly the difficult life of this hero.

      Yet, Homer uses more nicknames and he uses them to convey more hidden messages that we should pay attention :

      Odysseus’ wife Penelope was surrounded by the noblemen of the region that wanted to marry her and through her inherit Odysseus fortune and lands, the whole kingdom. These suitors were 108 in number and they were led by four main leaders : Antinoos, Eurymachos, Amphinomos, Agelaos. Check the names!

      1. Antinoos = anti-thought i.e. one that ceases all thinking process, the one who goes against all logic
      … his father is called Eupeithes = the one who convinces easily (!!!)
      2. Eurymachos = the one who fights with all means, i.e. using by all means illegitimate means to achieve his plans

      3. Amphinomos = the one who plays both sides of the law, i.e. the one who bends the laws according to his will
      4. Agelaos = the one who leads over the mass of people, i.e. the demagogue

      The suitors all all those who flock around you trying to bend your logic. They make you stop thinking. They bend your morality. They will tell you ”the result justifies the means”, they will bend even basic laws, and they will do it not just to you but to all so as to achieve leading over the people by the power of convincing them… i.e. in 750 B.C. Homer makes a perfect description of how MEDIA and PROPAGANDA work to attack you.

      … it is not accidental that Odysseus kills the first suitor and leading man, Antinoos, by shooting him with his arrow through his neck where his speaking organ is….. quite explicit of how you deal with propaganda.

      1. Iron Tulip December 9, 2013 at 3:06 pm

        Fantastic insight into Greek literature and thought. Thank you.

      2. Scandibro December 10, 2013 at 12:43 pm

        Very interesting.

        Perhaps it is no coincidence that it is a woman – Penelope – being subject to these people. The temptation that a woman faces to be slutty, isn’t that basically what it is about? Odysseus is out bringing home the wealth and glory, while Penelope sits alone at home taking care of kids, the basic situation of most marriages?

        If you transfer those people to today:

        Antinoos – feminism, socialism, the corrupting voice of irrational ideology

        Eurymachos – the badboy, the thug, glorification of violence

        Amphinomos – the opportunist, the kind of player not at all concerned with morality, ethics and politics

        Agelaos – the crooked politician, the tv guy, the hollywood executive

        I find that interesting.

        The greek were all kinds of smart, to dumb it down a bit. They described most of the human condition with their tragedies and stories.

      3. EU guy December 10, 2013 at 7:31 pm

        Very acute remarks. Yes, the Greeks portrayed all kinds of people. They portrayed everything, the good the bad and the ugly.And it is no surprise that the same basic questions troubled mankind back then as today.

        The position of Penelope is that of the wife that sits at home taking care of home business and raising the kids. And Penelope represents a woman that honours that position of hers. The suitors, at least their leaders, represent the A-males of the region who wish to marry Penelope to steal the kingdom. Odysseus a man who presents characteristics both of A and B males (afterall the A-B categorisation is the simplification of a continuum) returns and defends his homs to re-establish order.

        Homer wrote both Iliad and Odyssey as didactic poems. The end-part of Odyssey shows what every man has to do : defend his house, defend his home, defend his position.

        Considering the descriptions you give they are on spot : Antinomos, Eurynomos, Amphonomos and Agelaos are precisely describing the situation of today with oligarchies exerting their propaganda via the media in order to convince us to not defend our position and surrender without a fight.

        Because we need to remember, that feminism is not a wave all by itself out there. Nor that women decided one day to go the ”feminist way”. Feminism is just another arrow in the quiver of the world oligarchy using it to attack the nations, the people.

  29. Slutfucker December 9, 2013 at 7:41 am

    A rapist’s life is also full of struggle.

  30. krentz December 10, 2013 at 11:27 am

    What is it they say? “Happiness is like a butterfly, which, when pursued, is always beyond our grasp, but, if you will sit down quietly, may alight upon you.”

    Unfortunately, it is all too easy to mistake complacency and stagnation for genuine contentment and nonattachment. At the very least, that is one of the largest struggles I have encountered. I can rationalise to myself that my lack of significant professional or creative achievement is due to contentment with my place in life, but even as the words escape me, they betray my hypocrisy and insecurity. It is utterly untrue and I feel it.

    And yet, if I find myself in thrall to my ambition, constantly aiming to better myself in all respects for no reason other than to attain the next level, the next plateau, the next big euphoric rush that comes with novelty, only to grow disillusioned within a week or two and seek out the next big hit… can I really call myself better? The more I think about it, the more I see the pursuit of the ideal as unreasonable, but in the end I think it will always be better to be doing something than doing nothing.

  31. Nick Kenny December 11, 2013 at 1:50 am

    Yep. It’s strictly against human survival instinct to be content. Happiness is actually a threat – if we were happy with our lot, what would have stopped us from leaving caves or crossing the oceans or building anything at all?

    Discontentment and discomfort forces humans to strive for more and more, which is directly in league with our survival instincts.